I would not call myself a great scholar, intellectual, or philosopher, but I am a big fan of the tao. After listening to several different readings and studying several dfferent translations of the tao, I picked Derek Lin's translation to read all at once, in one video, that I uploaded today. I picked him because I think he might be the most accurate. I have done my own interpretation and think my ego might have gotten in the way....just sayin'.... Love always. Jody.
hold on a minute, you said " I never said Taoist see good is greater than evil", and i was just saying i wasn't accusing you of saying that i was just asking about it thats what i meant when i said i didn't say you said those things i shouldnt have said those things it was only this i was talking about...Anyway the pain thing i was talking about is something i saw on internet apparently from Lao Tzu saying how you have to go past the point of no return and face yourself or else suffer greatly...
Well i define god as the creator of everything who existed before time and space without a place thats why i asked him that because Tao can't be older than god, what made you ask me that question anyway?
@superarfaan In Taoism the god is normally not referring to creator as such, it is more on the higher being that is either form or formless. If a god is having a form or even formless, it must not be the original point. Only the being that transcend form and formless is Tao. If you refer to the creator as the ultimate being that transcend form and formless, then there is no difference between the creator and Tao. No question of who comes first.
@superarfaan ...thank you for your response. I ask because I choose not to assume we share the same concept of what is God. Also because Chinese do not have a creator god myth as many other cultures. We have reference to the "cosmic egg" which coalesced from formless chaos, when hatched, yielded Heaven and Earth ( in Taoist terms Yin and Yang eventually yielding all things). But we have nothing before that which created the formless chaos. In Chinese myth, there is no all-powerful God
@geekeing Your story about the Cosmic egg is interesting because many old myths tell stories of a way which the earth and heavens were joined together and then split even indians and ancient arabs have these mythologies and something like this is even mentioned in Quran...I know there are many chinese muslims, what is their point of view on taoism?
@superarfaan ...sorry, I can not say. In my studies I have not yet seen any references regarding what Chinese Muslims think of Taoism or if there is a Islamic view or opinion regarding Tao. You raise a most fascinating question, a subject worthy of study.
@geekeing I am confused about Yin/Yang teachings..In taoism as far as i know good and evil are seen as equal but can you explain what this means because i believe in Quran where it says good and evil are not equal so good deeds and actions will defeat evil ones i'm sure you agree with this in taoism so i was left witht he question how does Yin/Yang represent good and evil to be equal or is there a more literal meaning for this concept?
@superarfaan ...YinYang represents complementary opposites which comprises a dynamic system which seeks the balance or harmony of opposite forces. Good and Evil are moral concepts of Man which are not part of Nature. Do you see good and evil among the animal kingdom or do you see a ecosystem based on survival of the fitness? Generousity and Greed...Happiness and Sorrow...Love and Hate...all products of Man's morality not Nature. The Way of Tao is the way of nature.
@geekeing So we know it is okay to say Yang is light and yin is Dark....But i always thought yin yang also teaches that Yang is good and Yin is evil....So this is not true? Because i don't see good and evil as complementary opposites this is not ethical...
@superarfaan ...apologies if I am vague in my answer. Taoism can not answer your question. Issues of morality such as good and evil are not expressions of YinYang. Westerners often make this misinterpretation. True, evil is only evil when compared to good, but this is a interpretation of behavior which is unique to the human mind. There are no examples of good and evil in Nature. Therefore any measure of good and evil is strictly a human determination
@geekeing Thanks for your answer...Taoism has some interesting teachings i respect how you believe in heaven and hell, and also you believe good is greater than evil, you also have belief in the balance and harmony of nature, i also respect this because i believe in Quran and in Quran many pairs of words appear the same number such as day/night, angels/devils, good/evil and many more i just find it strange after all of this you don't believe in a creator..
@superarfaan ...you are reading your own beliefs into what I wrote. First Lao Tzu's Taoism does not acknowledge Hell. That is left to Buddhism. Taoism acknowledges Heaven (Yang) and Earth (Yin) And I never said Taoist see good is greater than evil. Taoists see good and evil as products of human behavior, hence there is no Taoist Hell for punishment. Taoism defines Spiritual awareness and the ways to Spiritual Harmony and to be in tune with Nature and the Universe
@geekeing i didn't say you said those things, i was asking you what you the Taoist beliefs are concerning them...if Taoism doesn't believe in hell as punishment then what happens to evil souls?....Also didn't Lao Tzu write about manifested consequence and point of no return and the souls that don't follow his teachings (i.e self correction) would face billions of years of pain after death isn't that like hell?
@superarfaan ...."didn't say you said those things"? Perhaps that was your intent but your written word states otherwise....from your own last comment: "you believe in heaven and hell...you believe good is greater than evil" Where in my comments did I write I believed in those 2 claims? And where did you read Lao Tzu wrote about "billions of year of pain after death" What chapter of the Tao Te Ching is this from?
@geekeing i don't know if this is from tao te ching but this thing is apparently written by Lao Tzu which describes what i was saying about point of no return..it doesn;t say everyone has to go through billions of years pain after death...It says everybody gets to the point of no return and has to "stand and face themselves" thereafter and correct themselves until they reach self forgiveness and the ones who dont do this and give up are the ones i was talking about well thats what it says...
@superarfaan ...if it is not from the Tao Te Ching, then most likely it is not Lao Tzu. The Tao Te Ching is the only text he wrote, there are no other books or writings under his name. There are many translations (over 200), some with commentaries by the author attempting to interpret what Lao Tzu's thoughts were. Perhaps this is one of those. What is the title of this writing and the name of the translator/author?
@superarfaan ...thank you for the link...reading it was.....TEDIOUS. That text was not written by Lao Tzu. I could tell from the writing style alone. The Tao Te Ching is a total of 5,250 words presented on 81 pages (the total page count would be less but each chapter is given it's own page). This "Manifested Consequence" is 7 pages long (8.5" X 11" paper) or 12 pages printed on 4" X 6" at 9 font. I have the Tao Te Ching in a 4" X 6" format totaling 81 cards. Lao Tzu was NEVER so long winded!
@superarfaan ...if you had done a google search you would have discovered who put this long-winded verbose writing on the net. "Manifested Consequence" is not authored by Lao Tzu, it is a article from the Desteni, a New Age group from South Africa. These poseurs usurped Lao Tzu's title to draw attention to their group which does not follow any Taoist philosophy at all. I knew it was a New Age group from the buzz words: "self-forgiveness" and self-honesty"
@geekeing ....if you want to know more about the Desteni.....google "The Desteni Cult". Also consider, if this group truly believed in their beliefs, why hide behind Lao Tzu title instead of presenting theselves? Now if you are truly interested in the writings of Lao Tzu...do a search here for Tao Te Ching 1 presented by Tao33316. He has all 81 writings here presenting several translations by different authors. The translations slightly vary but the essence; the Spirit is the same.
@geekeing you said " I never said Taoist see good is greater than evil", and i was just saying i wasn't accusing you of saying that i was just asking about it thats what i meant when i said i didn't say you said those things i shouldnt have said those things it was only this i was talking about...Anyway the pain thing i was talking about is something i saw on internet apparently from Lao Tzu saying how you have to go past the point of no return and face yourself or else suffer greatly...
@geekeing oh thanks for the reply, well i had done a search on google and i saw this thing on several websites but i didn't know that the desteni people forged this, as a muslim i am completely opposed to their beliefs and their teachings thanks for telling me this
@superarfaan Thanks for your answer...Taoism has some interesting teachings i respect how you believe in heaven and hell, and also you believe good is greater than evil, you also have belief in the balance and harmony of nature, i also respect this because i believe in Quran and in Quran many pairs of words appear the same number such as day/night, angels/devils, good/evil and many more i just find it strange after all of this you don't believe in a creator..
@geekeing God-All that is and all that is not. The eternal creative life force that is creating all of life. That which creates/that which destroys/that which is eternal. An experience of love and oneness.
@OmmmYogi ....thank you for your response. You weave a most beautiful image of the God concept. Based on your image.....no, the TAO is not the same as GOD. The primary differences is that the TAO is not a life force, it simply is. Also, the creation of life is not the prime expression of the TAO, life is merely one of the 10,000 things. Life has no favored status above the other manifestations. And lastly, TAO does not emphasize love, that is a human concept. TAO emphasize balance; harmony
@gonzisonsbc ...lol....a very typical Western interpretation. Instead of trying to understand Chinese philosophy on its own merits you dismiss it by citing Western religious teachings. Religion vs Philosophy....apples vs oranges.
@gonzisonsbc ....from the many translations I've read the term "God" is often used by Non-Chinese authors: Stephen Mitchell (the author of this translation),...J. Legge...Raymond B. Blakney. Chinese authors, however, do not use the "God" term....Gia-Fu Feng - "forefather of the Emperors...Derek Lin - "Predecessor of the Emperor"...John C. H. Wu - "common ancestor of all, the father of things" and Wu was a converted Roman Catholic.
@gonzisonsbc ....To further confuse the subject, Chinese folklore does not have a Creator God myth as Westerners understand the concept. In our folklore we have supernatural deities, nature deities, cultural heroes, demigods and ancestor worship blended into a religion. Later the basic folklore religion further blended with elements of Buddhism, Confucianism and Taoism resulting in a many variations thru-out China. In other words all our Gods came after Creation, we have no GOD that started it
I dont understand how there can be so much information about the Tao. Seems to me like it should all be able to be perfectly explained and understood within 1 page or less.
@99Sorc ....because no 2 individuals see Reality exactly the same way. Different backgrounds, different influences and different experiences yields each individual a unique point of view. Also, The Tao Te Ching is translated from classical Chinese. In the process of transliteration the translator always applies his/her own understanding of the languages involved as there is many times not a word for word equivalent.
The Tao is the Life-Giving Force of the universe. It is compared to water that nourishes. It is like a valley (womb-like) and a mysterious female. It's like a room where you see that the emptiness "defines" the room far more than the objects do.
The soft is stronger than the hard: Life is soft, nourishing, organic. The Tao is the Mother of the Universe. It is the empty vessel that holds everything.
Take the perspective of the emptiness (infinite potential) and you will see the secret essence.
@mgoode1985 ....."more talk, less understanding". Would 5,000 words be the upper-limit of comprehension? And beyond 5,000 words demonstrations of less understanding?
@mgoode1985 ...ah, but a certain amount of discussion is necessary to revel if one truly does understands or has developed misconceptions. otherdfude15's reference that the Tao Te Ching is a religious text is an example of a misconception. You say "maybe" so do you think the writings of Lao Tzu is religious in nature?
this religion made me feel like all religions are an element of life. iono confusing. its like all the good from each religion will bring us closer to being the best we can be.
@otherdude15 ....if I may add to your knowledge. While there is a religion based on Taoism, the writings offered on this vid are from the writings of Lao Tzu which is philosophical in nature, not religious.The Tao Te Ching is a collection of philosophical concepts and practices which offers no dogma or demands of devotion to a "god" figure as the Bible does.
@geekeing yea i get what you mean. this is the spiritual philosophy of taoism which means its not really a religion but knowledge of life. excuse the wording, (religion) it was best i could relate it to then.
@lebarosky ...true wisdom and insight are universal. Those 2 qualities are not defined by when a person lives or the culture that person is born into.
@KaslarProductions times are changing soon the line of living & none live will be blurred. the true teachings will grow from it not only are all living things the same seemingly none living are also the tao. the tao being read by a human is conditioned right off, the cold straight way of the computer can allow us to see it in a more emotionless way & also the tao is change so robots joining the tao only makes sense also :) the mind set of the tao is that of emotionless understanding or presence.
@bongfodder this you see now is just starching & lines nothing more. it is your mind telling you that this is a word & what it means to you by your brainwashing. the truth can not be spoken because words are not real no mater what we say we are just barking dogs with no meaning. we are the imagination of our selfs.
@TheUkulazy ....yes, it is Stephen Mitchell's interpretation of the Tao Te Ching. And, if I may say, in the truest sense, Stephen Mitchell did not translate the text since he does not read or write Chinese. I believe what he did was to take certain existing text and add aspects of Zen (of which he is most familiar with). There are some English translations that are rather dreadful and lose the beauty of the text in translation.
My dog is a basenji. His muscles are supple as a newborn baby. Soft. But, he can lock those muscles up. Hard as a rock. Its ridiculous. He's a small one. But, he's a tall one (by one....I mean spirit). Digest that for a second.
the way of a Taoist is displayed by how the 3 pearls are shared: compassion....moderation...humility. Embracing these 3 treasures, little else is needed.
@geekeing with so many huge egos in the world, humility is the hardest. I'm very sick of collective ego overruning humanity. Enough. We've made too many wrong choices. That is where we find ourselves. Continue this, and nothing will remain. Book that.
@geekeing ... the formalism in logic & dialectics yes, the literal meaning OK, the double/mulitple meanings in the context of Chinese culture less & may easily divert, the rhythm & poetic sense much weaker on the whole - unfortunately or not, the beauty of a particular/all language(s) is just born part of itself ... that's what I feel & yes I am no expert in Lao Zi/ translation.
Yes, I read back on his comments, and that became pretty clear. It made me a bit sad reading them, to imagine that somebody can get that twisted about things. It was a bit scary, too!
@HelloAgain151 ....indeed. But Chapsroc is a living demonstration of what is written in Chapter 81...."Good Men do not argue/Those who argue are not good/Those who know are not learned/The learned do not know." And it is sad that even though he can read Chinese text (but I wonder of much he understands the classical Chinese text) he focus on the words; the manifestations instead of the essence of the writings.
Twisted and scary, I concur. Let's hope all he can do is rant....lol
@geekeing I don't really like much Shakespeare, but some of the lines are okay, and the Tao quote you wrote reminds of the Shakespeare line "The fool thinks himself wise, and the wise man thinks himself a fool" [I am cutting out the fancy Shakespeare words]. I will most definitely look at the amazon ratings. I find those very useful for all the books I have bought from amazon. It is an amazing resource. One of the few big businesses I am in favour of. They do right! in my opinion. Thanks again!
Well, despite that dumb chapsroc jerk, I've read a few English translations of the first few chapters, and so far I have liked this one the best.
Which English translation is this from? if anyone can tell me. I would like to read the whole of this translation. Is the whole of the books translated in these videos? Maybe I should just watch the videos and read the accompanying text then?
@HelloAgain151 it wriiten by a guy called stephen mitchell he did not tranlate it word for word as even translated in english its meaning is meaninless as its near impossible to interpret it , so he translated it into a modern term but using lao tsu thought. It easy and practical to understand
@Islamictrooper Stephen Mitchell's translation is my favorite, too. I have three others, but find Mitchell's the most readable. It is his that I often quote in the workshops and training I give.
@HelloAgain151 ...in googling Stephen Mitchell I found many of his writings on the Amazon site. In regards to his interpretation of the Tao Te Ching there are numerous reviews of his work. It was quite fascinating to read the opinions. May I suggest you check that out?
@marcusofrome ...may I ask what other interpretations you have? My 2 favorites are by Feng Gia-Fu and Chen Chao-Hsiu. Now that I am aware of Stephen Mitchell, I shall peruse his interpretation.
@HelloAgain151 ...Chapsroc suffers from a false sense of superiority of being a Chinese-national and harbors deep bias and prejudice towards the West (all strongly reflected in his YouTube profile). And his English is limited as demonstrated by how narrowly he defined the word "Darkness" (which provided a soapbox for his criticism of Western religion). Happily, he no longer comments here.
What's the point in being attached to one translation of the Tao Te Ching? Simply reading it is pointless if you just concentrate on the words as it is just a finger pointing to the moon.
@Islamictrooper But, this is as far as they know. They don't truly know. But, it is as good a guess as any. The thing is, Lao Tse believed in a spiritual background; consciousness.
To truly perceive the Tao, it is best to read various different texts and compare what each author offers from their own viewpoint. Meditate on the words...look past the words to the essence...openly and kindly discuss and exchange perceptions. Above all, UnLearn. As Emperor Kang Xi once said: " Tao can only be reached by heart"
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LOL! This is funniest ever... Here's a twisted translation of Lao Zi "Tao Te Ching" to suite the author's retarded bible lies...
What's more comical, a retard "native Chinese speaker" (zzzzzz522002) who can't read Chinese version of TTC is "endorsing" this retarded translation with this comment "Westerners translation has advantage over native speakers". Talking about a retard with a foot in his mouth. LROF!
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@travisanderson77, as for you, it is you who misses the point of the Tao, the main lesson in Tao Te Ching is to teach you how to THINK independently. But back to my first reply to you when I said "the first step for you is to learn how to think" you took it as an offense. And then proceeded to lecture me on the Tao (while at the time saying you don't understand the Tao, go figure????)
If people learn to THINK, they probably could have realized the lies in this video on their own...
I checked some recent comments, it looks like I impressed you very much. (goodness me !!)
Next time when you make mistake in uderstanding the text with modern chinese, you'll realize it's the advantage of westerners in translating 文言文 again. You don't want to admit it, but you are very sure about it in your mind.
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@travisanderson77 (cont'd) he did not responsed to either questions.... I posted more comments to point out more lies in this video... zzzzzz52002 responded in defense of this video version... we exchanged some views because I thought he had read Chinese version, it turned out he didn't, then he threw the bomb with "Westerners has advantage over native speakers" bullshits. This guy is retarded, and I'm going to just sit pretty? Keep dreaming, I trashed the idiot. Rude? So be it!
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@travisanderson77, if you think Tao Te Ching is a feel good religious text, then you are way off base. When he talked about tyranny he was more than gutsy and brutally in their face (very unusual by Chinese standard, even to this day), read chapter 72, then 74-78 in your English version. If your understand is not too wacko like this video, then perhaps we can discuss those chapters here.
@chapsroc When did I ever say that? You're using a Red Herring, trying to divert the issue. I will not defend against an attack that can't strike me. You're being rude and obnoxious-I've looked back through the comments, you've been browbeating others for over two weeks now on this video. Perhaps you are very intelligent-perhaps more so than I. But you are not following the Tao Te Ching better even if you understand it better than I.
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@travisanderson77 Curriousity about english version of Tao Te Ching brought me to this video, it turns out this video is full of lies (is that rude, so be it!), I posted some comments to point out lies..., then keekeing asked my the question very casually. I browse through his comments, made quick determination not to waste time with him, but gave him two quick tests (for second chance sake), the first was "tea cup" comment, 2nd I gave another chance to show his seriousness indirectly....
When the Unibomber attacked science and technology, he was attacking the symptoms of the disease, not the disease itself. I assume you know what I'm getting at, I hope. Science and technology can be useful if they are used in the right ways, not purely for profits and life indulgence.
"techno-industrial civilization forces humanity to live in ways that don't serve human needs and as such it's a perverse way of life." "humanity is made to adapt to the system, the system cannot be adapted for humanity"
Those were two great statements. It shows the depth of his understanding of the problems that humanity is facing, close to what I call “Western systemic dictatorship crapeologies”
but I don't think he understands the root of the problems, and the people who realy responsible for establishing the "system". His victims were all victims of the "system" themselves. Take the university lab technicians, most of them went to school for career or to make a name for themselves -- university feeds the system, but sci-tech is only a small part of that pipe line. If he'd traced the $ trails he'd have found his intended targets. dead or alive, they're very illusive.
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If any one of you understand Tao Te Ching well, you're invited to read my profile, read them thoroughly, and I challenge you to point out one thing that I said had escaped what was said in Tao Te Ching. Any one of you! (don't get me wrong, I am currious myself, I wanted to test my understanding of Tao Te Ching, a challenge in good spirit is part of learning.)
1. Industrial Revolution: Urbanization and work regiment dictatorship. Man was free until he was convinced to abandon his natural way of life in exchange for a life as a factory worker that make him totally dependent on the upper class who own and control all means of productions."
I agree with this. Have you ever read The Unabomber Manifesto?
Essentially his point is that techno-industrial civilization forces humanity to live in ways that don't serve human needs and as such it's a perverse way of life. I don't know whether he studied the Tao or not, but he is not an idiot.
oh, I could see that he has thinking in his brain, he wanted to be heard by the media, so he sent those bombs, as I recall mostly to universities. He wanted to "teach" or "preach" to the media about his views. He would use violence in order to preach his view. He is definitely not a sage, "the sage teaches without words" he doesn't need to be heard.
@chapsroc ....LOL...your political views and prejudice towards the West is obvious, not just in your profile but within your comments. You see each of us as a "tiny cup"? "Easterners, Southerns, indulging in labels? limited viewpoints. I perceive the Universe not just one world and it's labels. You have much to unlearn. As I said before....you are not the one.
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@geekeing You lost me in your incoherent shot gun approach, be a little more organized. And if it has to do with Tao Te Jing, state the chapter that you get your “inspiration” from.
Remember, you were the one that asked me casually for the translation of chapter one and I completely ignored you. I had you figured out from the start. Why? Teach those who can be taught, otherwise, the teaching profession is being disrespected. With you, I will not disrespect the Tao, so you'll be ignored.
@chapsroc You disrespect the Tao by fighting against someone only to anger them. You assume he cannot learn, thus you refuse to teach him. But the root of this is not any ability he may or may not have, it's your own prejudice. So what makes you a superior person to him, may I ask? Because he is a Westerner and you are Chinese? I've seen others who hold similar views-we call them racists, not wise. Though I have to ask, if we are impossible to teach, why bother talking at all? Let it go.
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@travisanderson77 like I said in my exchange w/ zzzzz52002, "westerners vs easterners" was a myth lifted straight out of the bible. Per geekeing, he already preached nonesenses, he changed the Zen teaching about "cup of tea" without realy understanding what it meant, then he asked me "then what is the right translation?" No sir, his tiny cup of tea was realy full of shits, I ain't going to waste my time with this idiot (yes from where I'm sitting he is an idiot). An idiot is an idiot.
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@travisanderson77 btw, I did not fight with geekeing, I told him that he will be ignored. Does that count as lettin go or not, well some one may care, I just don't want to waste time with an idiot, full stop.
I would realy be disrespecting the Tao if I had tried to teach him something only to get mocked by his ignorance and I might have got sucked into wasting more time with him the way I did with zzzzzz52002, and now you.
@chapsroc What are you talking about? Of course I'm in the United States, what does that have to do with anything, or "communism in China" for instance? I have no idea what you're trying to get at with that statement. Perhaps you could clarify it for me?
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@travisanderson77 Western ideologies are everywhere in US, China and throughout the globe, the point is to show you that when I talked about "Western systemic dictatoship crapeologies" it is not limited to geography or races.
@chapsroc You don't want to test your learning at all. You outright assume that all foreign translations are wrong. You already assume you've found what you claim to seek. And I did read your profile, and all I saw was an angry person. Perhaps you understand other books very well, but not this one. Understanding the words as they were meant to be in such a book is useless if one does not follow them. If one gives you good advice, failing to follow it yet understanding it makes you worse.
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@travisanderson77 Correction: forceful, to the point, aim is break from status quo. By "Western systemic dictatorship crapeopologies" I'm actually referring to some Euro/Anglo ideologies which resulted in millions of people killed in this decade alone. It got so out of hands, that it stripped humanity of all the rights to live freely without having to conform to their system be it "money paradigm" here in the US, or communism in China (u see, Western crapeologies is not race based?)
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@travisanderson77 No, I did not assume outright all foreign translations are wrong. What I said was this video version is full of lies, and that any one who can believe in the bible literally is utterly un-qualified to translate Tao Te Ching. You made the wrong assumptions about me then you further insulted yourself by making claim that you understand Tao Te Ching better than I. Can you be more specific vis-a-vis Tao Te Ching?
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someone keep deleting my posts the destinction of 古文 and 文言文。There is no such thing as 文言文 as a form, it's simply just a term of respect for 古文 generally speaking.
I just realize something that I missed earlier, YOU'RE NOT CHINESE. You're a typical retard "westerner" who like to talk about things that you have not understanding of. Btw, even "westerner" was a term lifted straight out the Bible, do you know that? In a globe shap and rotating world, this term is an oximoron.
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@WSWarthog lol, my last message was for zzzzzz522002, he said was a native speaker, but later on he said and I quote him "I am not Chinese" blah blah, and some how he came to the conclusion that "Westerners" had advantage over Chinese, blah, blah... at that point I gave him what he deserved.
As for you, you can assesse whatever E&I you want, frankly I DON'T GIVE ONE BIT IOTA. But when it comes to Tao Te Ching, WE CHINESE CAN READ THE ORIGINAL TEXT, WE KNOW WHAT LAO ZI SAID.
@chapsroc That is true, you can see the text as it was. But if you are saying that the message of the Tao Te Ching is dependent on the Chinese Language to understand, you're missing the point. The Tao is universal-that it was written in Chinese is circumstance, not choice. You're pride in your Chinese heritage is valid, but your hatred of the heritage of "westerners" belies your true nature as a human being. If you understand the Tao Te Ching, make your own translation into English.
Live the duality
Masalaofficial 8 hours ago
道 means road. It can also mean way
nanoday1 1 day ago
A true taoist stands up to injustice.
misterysylver 2 days ago
...taofull taofull taofull. First Laotzu; all taos else. we us little nothings love learning more from taos all.
khuongla1960 1 week ago
dao is just nature
janko008975 1 week ago
too*
hommhommhomm 2 weeks ago
Its far to epic to have depth, in my humble opinion
hommhommhomm 2 weeks ago
interesting.
steve5123456789 1 month ago
道可道，非常道。名可名，非常名。
hycfree2 1 month ago
I would not call myself a great scholar, intellectual, or philosopher, but I am a big fan of the tao. After listening to several different readings and studying several dfferent translations of the tao, I picked Derek Lin's translation to read all at once, in one video, that I uploaded today. I picked him because I think he might be the most accurate. I have done my own interpretation and think my ego might have gotten in the way....just sayin'.... Love always. Jody.
jodywhiteley 2 months ago
hold on a minute, you said " I never said Taoist see good is greater than evil", and i was just saying i wasn't accusing you of saying that i was just asking about it thats what i meant when i said i didn't say you said those things i shouldnt have said those things it was only this i was talking about...Anyway the pain thing i was talking about is something i saw on internet apparently from Lao Tzu saying how you have to go past the point of no return and face yourself or else suffer greatly...
superarfaan 2 months ago
Well i define god as the creator of everything who existed before time and space without a place thats why i asked him that because Tao can't be older than god, what made you ask me that question anyway?
superarfaan 3 months ago
@superarfaan In Taoism the god is normally not referring to creator as such, it is more on the higher being that is either form or formless. If a god is having a form or even formless, it must not be the original point. Only the being that transcend form and formless is Tao. If you refer to the creator as the ultimate being that transcend form and formless, then there is no difference between the creator and Tao. No question of who comes first.
kentmusa 3 months ago
@superarfaan ...thank you for your response. I ask because I choose not to assume we share the same concept of what is God. Also because Chinese do not have a creator god myth as many other cultures. We have reference to the "cosmic egg" which coalesced from formless chaos, when hatched, yielded Heaven and Earth ( in Taoist terms Yin and Yang eventually yielding all things). But we have nothing before that which created the formless chaos. In Chinese myth, there is no all-powerful God
geekeing 3 months ago
@geekeing Your story about the Cosmic egg is interesting because many old myths tell stories of a way which the earth and heavens were joined together and then split even indians and ancient arabs have these mythologies and something like this is even mentioned in Quran...I know there are many chinese muslims, what is their point of view on taoism?
superarfaan 3 months ago
@superarfaan ...sorry, I can not say. In my studies I have not yet seen any references regarding what Chinese Muslims think of Taoism or if there is a Islamic view or opinion regarding Tao. You raise a most fascinating question, a subject worthy of study.
geekeing 3 months ago
@geekeing I am confused about Yin/Yang teachings..In taoism as far as i know good and evil are seen as equal but can you explain what this means because i believe in Quran where it says good and evil are not equal so good deeds and actions will defeat evil ones i'm sure you agree with this in taoism so i was left witht he question how does Yin/Yang represent good and evil to be equal or is there a more literal meaning for this concept?
superarfaan 3 months ago
@superarfaan ...YinYang represents complementary opposites which comprises a dynamic system which seeks the balance or harmony of opposite forces. Good and Evil are moral concepts of Man which are not part of Nature. Do you see good and evil among the animal kingdom or do you see a ecosystem based on survival of the fitness? Generousity and Greed...Happiness and Sorrow...Love and Hate...all products of Man's morality not Nature. The Way of Tao is the way of nature.
geekeing 3 months ago
@geekeing So we know it is okay to say Yang is light and yin is Dark....But i always thought yin yang also teaches that Yang is good and Yin is evil....So this is not true? Because i don't see good and evil as complementary opposites this is not ethical...
superarfaan 3 months ago
@geekeing Hold on what i meant was good and evil could still be opposite but not equal....
superarfaan 3 months ago
@superarfaan ...apologies if I am vague in my answer. Taoism can not answer your question. Issues of morality such as good and evil are not expressions of YinYang. Westerners often make this misinterpretation. True, evil is only evil when compared to good, but this is a interpretation of behavior which is unique to the human mind. There are no examples of good and evil in Nature. Therefore any measure of good and evil is strictly a human determination
geekeing 3 months ago
@geekeing Thanks for your answer...Taoism has some interesting teachings i respect how you believe in heaven and hell, and also you believe good is greater than evil, you also have belief in the balance and harmony of nature, i also respect this because i believe in Quran and in Quran many pairs of words appear the same number such as day/night, angels/devils, good/evil and many more i just find it strange after all of this you don't believe in a creator..
superarfaan 3 months ago
@superarfaan ...you are reading your own beliefs into what I wrote. First Lao Tzu's Taoism does not acknowledge Hell. That is left to Buddhism. Taoism acknowledges Heaven (Yang) and Earth (Yin) And I never said Taoist see good is greater than evil. Taoists see good and evil as products of human behavior, hence there is no Taoist Hell for punishment. Taoism defines Spiritual awareness and the ways to Spiritual Harmony and to be in tune with Nature and the Universe
geekeing 2 months ago
@geekeing i didn't say you said those things, i was asking you what you the Taoist beliefs are concerning them...if Taoism doesn't believe in hell as punishment then what happens to evil souls?....Also didn't Lao Tzu write about manifested consequence and point of no return and the souls that don't follow his teachings (i.e self correction) would face billions of years of pain after death isn't that like hell?
superarfaan 2 months ago
@superarfaan ...."didn't say you said those things"? Perhaps that was your intent but your written word states otherwise....from your own last comment: "you believe in heaven and hell...you believe good is greater than evil" Where in my comments did I write I believed in those 2 claims? And where did you read Lao Tzu wrote about "billions of year of pain after death" What chapter of the Tao Te Ching is this from?
geekeing 2 months ago
@geekeing i don't know if this is from tao te ching but this thing is apparently written by Lao Tzu which describes what i was saying about point of no return..it doesn;t say everyone has to go through billions of years pain after death...It says everybody gets to the point of no return and has to "stand and face themselves" thereafter and correct themselves until they reach self forgiveness and the ones who dont do this and give up are the ones i was talking about well thats what it says...
superarfaan 2 months ago
@superarfaan ...if it is not from the Tao Te Ching, then most likely it is not Lao Tzu. The Tao Te Ching is the only text he wrote, there are no other books or writings under his name. There are many translations (over 200), some with commentaries by the author attempting to interpret what Lao Tzu's thoughts were. Perhaps this is one of those. What is the title of this writing and the name of the translator/author?
geekeing 2 months ago
@superarfaan ...thank you for the link...reading it was.....TEDIOUS. That text was not written by Lao Tzu. I could tell from the writing style alone. The Tao Te Ching is a total of 5,250 words presented on 81 pages (the total page count would be less but each chapter is given it's own page). This "Manifested Consequence" is 7 pages long (8.5" X 11" paper) or 12 pages printed on 4" X 6" at 9 font. I have the Tao Te Ching in a 4" X 6" format totaling 81 cards. Lao Tzu was NEVER so long winded!
geekeing 2 months ago
@superarfaan ...if you had done a google search you would have discovered who put this long-winded verbose writing on the net. "Manifested Consequence" is not authored by Lao Tzu, it is a article from the Desteni, a New Age group from South Africa. These poseurs usurped Lao Tzu's title to draw attention to their group which does not follow any Taoist philosophy at all. I knew it was a New Age group from the buzz words: "self-forgiveness" and self-honesty"
geekeing 2 months ago
@geekeing ....if you want to know more about the Desteni.....google "The Desteni Cult". Also consider, if this group truly believed in their beliefs, why hide behind Lao Tzu title instead of presenting theselves? Now if you are truly interested in the writings of Lao Tzu...do a search here for Tao Te Ching 1 presented by Tao33316. He has all 81 writings here presenting several translations by different authors. The translations slightly vary but the essence; the Spirit is the same.
geekeing 2 months ago
@geekeing you said " I never said Taoist see good is greater than evil", and i was just saying i wasn't accusing you of saying that i was just asking about it thats what i meant when i said i didn't say you said those things i shouldnt have said those things it was only this i was talking about...Anyway the pain thing i was talking about is something i saw on internet apparently from Lao Tzu saying how you have to go past the point of no return and face yourself or else suffer greatly...
superarfaan 2 months ago
@geekeing oh thanks for the reply, well i had done a search on google and i saw this thing on several websites but i didn't know that the desteni people forged this, as a muslim i am completely opposed to their beliefs and their teachings thanks for telling me this
superarfaan 2 months ago
@superarfaan HI, "justbernard" is not affiliated with the Bernard of Desteni. Get your facts strait.
MoonBurgle2 1 week ago
@MoonBurgle2 What are you talking about i don't know anything about justbernard or Bernard of Desteni and never said anything about them..
superarfaan 1 week ago
@superarfaan Oh, how embarassing on my part, I meant to correct someone else and clicked your name by mistake, sorry about the confusion.
MoonBurgle2 1 week ago
@superarfaan Thanks for your answer...Taoism has some interesting teachings i respect how you believe in heaven and hell, and also you believe good is greater than evil, you also have belief in the balance and harmony of nature, i also respect this because i believe in Quran and in Quran many pairs of words appear the same number such as day/night, angels/devils, good/evil and many more i just find it strange after all of this you don't believe in a creator..
superarfaan 3 months ago
Is the Tao the same as God?
OmmmYogi 3 months ago
@OmmmYogi ....before an answer may be offered.....please define your concept of God.
geekeing 3 months ago
@geekeing God-All that is and all that is not. The eternal creative life force that is creating all of life. That which creates/that which destroys/that which is eternal. An experience of love and oneness.
OmmmYogi 3 months ago
@OmmmYogi ....thank you for your response. You weave a most beautiful image of the God concept. Based on your image.....no, the TAO is not the same as GOD. The primary differences is that the TAO is not a life force, it simply is. Also, the creation of life is not the prime expression of the TAO, life is merely one of the 10,000 things. Life has no favored status above the other manifestations. And lastly, TAO does not emphasize love, that is a human concept. TAO emphasize balance; harmony
geekeing 3 months ago
I can't find part 2 and 3. I love this presentation. Does anybody know what happened to
48busman 3 months ago
Nothing is older than God. It was always there and always will be.
gonzisonsbc 4 months ago
@gonzisonsbc It is more like the space of the void which God has made all things. It's in Genesis.
DaveTheSamurai 4 months ago
@gonzisonsbc If you look at the Tao in a perspective of being the universe, thus itself is god, but not a god answering your prayers.
freedfighter96 3 months ago
@gonzisonsbc ...lol....a very typical Western interpretation. Instead of trying to understand Chinese philosophy on its own merits you dismiss it by citing Western religious teachings. Religion vs Philosophy....apples vs oranges.
geekeing 3 months ago
@geekeing Why would God be mentioned then?
gonzisonsbc 3 months ago
@gonzisonsbc ....from the many translations I've read the term "God" is often used by Non-Chinese authors: Stephen Mitchell (the author of this translation),...J. Legge...Raymond B. Blakney. Chinese authors, however, do not use the "God" term....Gia-Fu Feng - "forefather of the Emperors...Derek Lin - "Predecessor of the Emperor"...John C. H. Wu - "common ancestor of all, the father of things" and Wu was a converted Roman Catholic.
Please see next comment...thank you.....
geekeing 3 months ago
@gonzisonsbc ....To further confuse the subject, Chinese folklore does not have a Creator God myth as Westerners understand the concept. In our folklore we have supernatural deities, nature deities, cultural heroes, demigods and ancestor worship blended into a religion. Later the basic folklore religion further blended with elements of Buddhism, Confucianism and Taoism resulting in a many variations thru-out China. In other words all our Gods came after Creation, we have no GOD that started it
geekeing 3 months ago
I love listening to this video, The music is great, though i would of chosen Chinese Traditional music
TheDharmaRain 4 months ago
great video. good job
smallpotatoes989 4 months ago
I dont understand how there can be so much information about the Tao. Seems to me like it should all be able to be perfectly explained and understood within 1 page or less.
99Sorc 5 months ago
@99Sorc ....because no 2 individuals see Reality exactly the same way. Different backgrounds, different influences and different experiences yields each individual a unique point of view. Also, The Tao Te Ching is translated from classical Chinese. In the process of transliteration the translator always applies his/her own understanding of the languages involved as there is many times not a word for word equivalent.
geekeing 5 months ago
Beautiful I've read these book also very cool love bless u all always in all ways
jazzaste123 6 months ago
Yeah, this is not right, it does not come from the right place, why? because the poster, tried too hard.
duqmiguel 6 months ago
why does this sound like a recorded message?
fahimbh 7 months ago
Is this moment now? Or this one? It's never NOW if one is asking - always now if one isn't.
ptery 7 months ago
@ptery
It's always now.
Joac0018 4 months ago
Stephen Hawking's been very reflective of late.
ABlackbirdOnline 7 months ago
The Tao is the Life-Giving Force of the universe. It is compared to water that nourishes. It is like a valley (womb-like) and a mysterious female. It's like a room where you see that the emptiness "defines" the room far more than the objects do.
The soft is stronger than the hard: Life is soft, nourishing, organic. The Tao is the Mother of the Universe. It is the empty vessel that holds everything.
Take the perspective of the emptiness (infinite potential) and you will see the secret essence.
JesusManson323 7 months ago
this man is talking about being yourself, without thinking.
l3g10nw 7 months ago
@l3g10nw ...if I may say....thinking is a natural process, it is over-thinking that is not the way of Wu wei.
geekeing 7 months ago
@l3g10nw that's interesting as bathing in the light of stars is about being regardless.
bongfodder 7 months ago
A better translation:
The Dao (Way) that can be Dao'ed (spoken) is not the constant Dao.
The name that be named is not the constant name.
Not-Being (Wu), the name for the origin of the Heaven and Earth.
Being (Yo), the name for the mother of the 10,000 creatures (everything).
Take the view of Not-Being (Wu), you will see the secret essence.
Take the view of Being (Yo), you will see outcomes (manifestations).
These two things are of the same mode,
but are different names.
JesusManson323 7 months ago
@JesusManson323 ....which translation does this come from?
geekeing 7 months ago
@mgoode1985 ....."more talk, less understanding". Would 5,000 words be the upper-limit of comprehension? And beyond 5,000 words demonstrations of less understanding?
geekeing 8 months ago
@mgoode1985 ...ah, but a certain amount of discussion is necessary to revel if one truly does understands or has developed misconceptions. otherdfude15's reference that the Tao Te Ching is a religious text is an example of a misconception. You say "maybe" so do you think the writings of Lao Tzu is religious in nature?
geekeing 8 months ago
this religion made me feel like all religions are an element of life. iono confusing. its like all the good from each religion will bring us closer to being the best we can be.
otherdude15 8 months ago
@otherdude15 ....if I may add to your knowledge. While there is a religion based on Taoism, the writings offered on this vid are from the writings of Lao Tzu which is philosophical in nature, not religious.The Tao Te Ching is a collection of philosophical concepts and practices which offers no dogma or demands of devotion to a "god" figure as the Bible does.
geekeing 8 months ago
@geekeing yea i get what you mean. this is the spiritual philosophy of taoism which means its not really a religion but knowledge of life. excuse the wording, (religion) it was best i could relate it to then.
otherdude15 8 months ago
I feel better while listening to this.
AlexCrazyHand 8 months ago
People keep on listening after "the more you talk of it, the less you understand"
heeelmooi 8 months ago
@heeelmooi Yes. Laotze, the author of this book actually wrote this book partially against his own will.
He was a renowned sage and wanted to go into recluse, but the gatekeeper wouldn't let him go before he wrote his teachings.
And so it passes down to us.
sentilopis 8 months ago
Pre-Socratics such as Anaximander. One wonders: did these men come up with the same ideas as the Daoists independently? Almost the same doctrines.
At 3:55 are those atomic crystal x ray images?
Brilliant vid. Thnks so much.
lebarosky 9 months ago
@lebarosky ...true wisdom and insight are universal. Those 2 qualities are not defined by when a person lives or the culture that person is born into.
geekeing 9 months ago
Pre-Socratics such as Anaximander. One wonders: did these men come up with the same ideas as the Daoists independently? Almost the same doctrines.
lebarosky 9 months ago
wtf
bongfodder 9 months ago
Who would actually WANT to hear a great philosophy book such as this with all these crude mac speech functions? not me. sorry.
KaslarProductions 9 months ago
@KaslarProductions times are changing soon the line of living & none live will be blurred. the true teachings will grow from it not only are all living things the same seemingly none living are also the tao. the tao being read by a human is conditioned right off, the cold straight way of the computer can allow us to see it in a more emotionless way & also the tao is change so robots joining the tao only makes sense also :) the mind set of the tao is that of emotionless understanding or presence.
vishesfishes 9 months ago 4
@vishesfishes Whether wittingly or not all you are doing is playing with semantics:substitute conscious with living.
bongfodder 8 months ago
@bongfodder this you see now is just starching & lines nothing more. it is your mind telling you that this is a word & what it means to you by your brainwashing. the truth can not be spoken because words are not real no mater what we say we are just barking dogs with no meaning. we are the imagination of our selfs.
vishesfishes 8 months ago
Must have balance Danielsan!
Khadgar07 9 months ago
learn some chinese........you'll know more, at leat make sense
zhangzhirou 9 months ago
omg
q1w2e381048104 10 months ago
@q1w2e381048104 ....if I may ask, would you please elaborate?
geekeing 9 months ago
is this the stephen mitchell translation?
TheUkulazy 10 months ago
@TheUkulazy ....yes, it is Stephen Mitchell's interpretation of the Tao Te Ching. And, if I may say, in the truest sense, Stephen Mitchell did not translate the text since he does not read or write Chinese. I believe what he did was to take certain existing text and add aspects of Zen (of which he is most familiar with). There are some English translations that are rather dreadful and lose the beauty of the text in translation.
geekeing 10 months ago
My dog is a basenji. His muscles are supple as a newborn baby. Soft. But, he can lock those muscles up. Hard as a rock. Its ridiculous. He's a small one. But, he's a tall one (by one....I mean spirit). Digest that for a second.
Kostly 10 months ago
@Kostly
I need more information. Do you mean grilled, fried or tar tar?
swimmer706 10 months ago
@swimmer706 Totally baked...
Kostly 10 months ago
@Kostly
Thanks, Now I understand. Like Grasshopper use to say, "the greatest mysteries in the universe are those which are going on around us."
swimmer706 10 months ago
hello music original?not speak?
jirason 10 months ago
the way of a Taoist is displayed by how the 3 pearls are shared: compassion....moderation...humility. Embracing these 3 treasures, little else is needed.
geekeing 10 months ago
@geekeing with so many huge egos in the world, humility is the hardest. I'm very sick of collective ego overruning humanity. Enough. We've made too many wrong choices. That is where we find ourselves. Continue this, and nothing will remain. Book that.
Kostly 10 months ago
@Kostly ....agreed.
Success in all you undertake.
geekeing 10 months ago
@geekeing And you as well...Peace
Kostly 10 months ago
@geekeing ... the formalism in logic & dialectics yes, the literal meaning OK, the double/mulitple meanings in the context of Chinese culture less & may easily divert, the rhythm & poetic sense much weaker on the whole - unfortunately or not, the beauty of a particular/all language(s) is just born part of itself ... that's what I feel & yes I am no expert in Lao Zi/ translation.
litsyt 10 months ago
@litsyt ....thank you for your response. Your viewpoints are deeply appreciated.
Success in all you undertake.
geekeing 10 months ago
Dao de Jing sounds even more beautiful in its original, in Chinese. The most beloved book.
litsyt 10 months ago
@litsyt ....do you think this translation carries the meaning of Lao Tzu's writings?
geekeing 10 months ago
Yes, I read back on his comments, and that became pretty clear. It made me a bit sad reading them, to imagine that somebody can get that twisted about things. It was a bit scary, too!
HelloAgain151 10 months ago
@HelloAgain151 ....indeed. But Chapsroc is a living demonstration of what is written in Chapter 81...."Good Men do not argue/Those who argue are not good/Those who know are not learned/The learned do not know." And it is sad that even though he can read Chinese text (but I wonder of much he understands the classical Chinese text) he focus on the words; the manifestations instead of the essence of the writings.
Twisted and scary, I concur. Let's hope all he can do is rant....lol
geekeing 10 months ago
@geekeing I don't really like much Shakespeare, but some of the lines are okay, and the Tao quote you wrote reminds of the Shakespeare line "The fool thinks himself wise, and the wise man thinks himself a fool" [I am cutting out the fancy Shakespeare words]. I will most definitely look at the amazon ratings. I find those very useful for all the books I have bought from amazon. It is an amazing resource. One of the few big businesses I am in favour of. They do right! in my opinion. Thanks again!
HelloAgain151 10 months ago
@HelloAgain151 ...fascinating. Pure wisdom is truly universal. And I agree, Amazon is a splendid source of commerce.
Success in all you undertake.
geekeing 10 months ago
Yo man that was some deep shit but it makes sense at the same time.
ModernDayCowboy1 10 months ago
Well, despite that dumb chapsroc jerk, I've read a few English translations of the first few chapters, and so far I have liked this one the best.
Which English translation is this from? if anyone can tell me. I would like to read the whole of this translation. Is the whole of the books translated in these videos? Maybe I should just watch the videos and read the accompanying text then?
Thanks for this great video and accompanying text
HelloAgain151 11 months ago
@HelloAgain151 it wriiten by a guy called stephen mitchell he did not tranlate it word for word as even translated in english its meaning is meaninless as its near impossible to interpret it , so he translated it into a modern term but using lao tsu thought. It easy and practical to understand
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Islamictrooper 11 months ago
@Islamictrooper Cool, thank you very much for your answer , that was very helpful (:
HelloAgain151 11 months ago
@Islamictrooper Stephen Mitchell's translation is my favorite, too. I have three others, but find Mitchell's the most readable. It is his that I often quote in the workshops and training I give.
marcusofrome 10 months ago 5
@marcusofrome Cool. Interesting to hear some further opinion on this translation.
HelloAgain151 10 months ago
@HelloAgain151 ...in googling Stephen Mitchell I found many of his writings on the Amazon site. In regards to his interpretation of the Tao Te Ching there are numerous reviews of his work. It was quite fascinating to read the opinions. May I suggest you check that out?
geekeing 10 months ago
@marcusofrome ...may I ask what other interpretations you have? My 2 favorites are by Feng Gia-Fu and Chen Chao-Hsiu. Now that I am aware of Stephen Mitchell, I shall peruse his interpretation.
geekeing 10 months ago
@marcusofrome Does Stephen Mitchell's translation also say Tao is older than god?
superarfaan 3 months ago
@superarfaan ......if I may ask, please define God.
geekeing 3 months ago
@HelloAgain151 ...Chapsroc suffers from a false sense of superiority of being a Chinese-national and harbors deep bias and prejudice towards the West (all strongly reflected in his YouTube profile). And his English is limited as demonstrated by how narrowly he defined the word "Darkness" (which provided a soapbox for his criticism of Western religion). Happily, he no longer comments here.
geekeing 10 months ago
What's the point in being attached to one translation of the Tao Te Ching? Simply reading it is pointless if you just concentrate on the words as it is just a finger pointing to the moon.
Phranky 11 months ago
@Phranky ...quite right.
geekeing 10 months ago
A true Taoist master like Lao Tzu.
InitialDjay2 11 months ago
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yamunaperara 11 months ago
stephen hawking on the voiceover? lol
ogfunk187 11 months ago
@ogfunk187 hawking quoted the universe was created from nothing in 2010 but its exactly what lao tzu said 500 bc.
Islamictrooper 11 months ago
@Islamictrooper But, this is as far as they know. They don't truly know. But, it is as good a guess as any. The thing is, Lao Tse believed in a spiritual background; consciousness.
Kostly 10 months ago
good video for me to see
KARLCECILHUFF10478 11 months ago
To truly perceive the Tao, it is best to read various different texts and compare what each author offers from their own viewpoint. Meditate on the words...look past the words to the essence...openly and kindly discuss and exchange perceptions. Above all, UnLearn. As Emperor Kang Xi once said: " Tao can only be reached by heart"
geekeing 11 months ago
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Thumb up thumb down, retards endorsing retards in the dark, DARKNESS WITHIN DARKNESS, IS THE GATEWAY TO THE ULTIMATE RETARDATION!
What a joke, literally! LOL!
chapsroc 11 months ago
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LOL! This is funniest ever... Here's a twisted translation of Lao Zi "Tao Te Ching" to suite the author's retarded bible lies...
What's more comical, a retard "native Chinese speaker" (zzzzzz522002) who can't read Chinese version of TTC is "endorsing" this retarded translation with this comment "Westerners translation has advantage over native speakers". Talking about a retard with a foot in his mouth. LROF!
chapsroc 11 months ago
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Holy Darkness! "The Gateway of All Understanding" LOL!
chapsroc 11 months ago
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@zzzzzz522002 LOL
chapsroc 11 months ago
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oooo, I take it back what I said, this video is good for you retarded people.
You all should believe this video verbatimly, here's the source of your "wisdom", believe in it, practice it! LOL!
"This source is called darkness.
Darkness within darkness.
The gateway to all understanding."
TURN OFF YOUR LIGHTS, BOW DOWN TO DARKNESS! Amen! LOL
chapsroc 11 months ago
"Skillful Wisdom, Enlightened Mind"...May the Year of the Rabbit, in some degree, be a good year for all.
geekeing 11 months ago 2
Watched this video a hundred times and still love it ....
freedomfromthemind 1 year ago
Yes you're right that was Porky Pig's closing line: "Th-th-th-that's all folks!"
hahahaha, it's a classic.
chapsroc 1 year ago
@chapsroc misquote. That is Porky Pig's ending line. Bugs Bunny's line was "And dat's de end!"
RavenDark7 1 year ago
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@RavenDark7 hahaha, it's good to laugh, be too serious all the time is bad for one's health.
THINK.
Take care every one.and so long. :)
chapsroc 1 year ago
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@travisanderson77, as for you, it is you who misses the point of the Tao, the main lesson in Tao Te Ching is to teach you how to THINK independently. But back to my first reply to you when I said "the first step for you is to learn how to think" you took it as an offense. And then proceeded to lecture me on the Tao (while at the time saying you don't understand the Tao, go figure????)
If people learn to THINK, they probably could have realized the lies in this video on their own...
chapsroc 1 year ago
@chapsroc
Ha Ha Ha
Your random curse shows your mental problems, but not mine.
zzzzzz522002 1 year ago 6
@chapsroc
I checked some recent comments, it looks like I impressed you very much. (goodness me !!)
Next time when you make mistake in uderstanding the text with modern chinese, you'll realize it's the advantage of westerners in translating 文言文 again. You don't want to admit it, but you are very sure about it in your mind.
zzzzzz522002 1 year ago 20
very good but dont know why you got stephen hawking to do the narration ?!
n7stor 8 months ago
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@travisanderson77 (cont'd) he did not responsed to either questions.... I posted more comments to point out more lies in this video... zzzzzz52002 responded in defense of this video version... we exchanged some views because I thought he had read Chinese version, it turned out he didn't, then he threw the bomb with "Westerners has advantage over native speakers" bullshits. This guy is retarded, and I'm going to just sit pretty? Keep dreaming, I trashed the idiot. Rude? So be it!
chapsroc 1 year ago
@chapsroc
I don't want defend this video, I ONLY WANTED TO NEGATE YOUR OFFENSE
zzzzzz522002 1 year ago 20
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@travisanderson77, if you think Tao Te Ching is a feel good religious text, then you are way off base. When he talked about tyranny he was more than gutsy and brutally in their face (very unusual by Chinese standard, even to this day), read chapter 72, then 74-78 in your English version. If your understand is not too wacko like this video, then perhaps we can discuss those chapters here.
chapsroc 1 year ago
@chapsroc When did I ever say that? You're using a Red Herring, trying to divert the issue. I will not defend against an attack that can't strike me. You're being rude and obnoxious-I've looked back through the comments, you've been browbeating others for over two weeks now on this video. Perhaps you are very intelligent-perhaps more so than I. But you are not following the Tao Te Ching better even if you understand it better than I.
travisanderson77 1 year ago
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@travisanderson77 Curriousity about english version of Tao Te Ching brought me to this video, it turns out this video is full of lies (is that rude, so be it!), I posted some comments to point out lies..., then keekeing asked my the question very casually. I browse through his comments, made quick determination not to waste time with him, but gave him two quick tests (for second chance sake), the first was "tea cup" comment, 2nd I gave another chance to show his seriousness indirectly....
chapsroc 1 year ago
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I got to go, nice converse with you, catch up with you later.
chapsroc 1 year ago
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@WSWarthog
When the Unibomber attacked science and technology, he was attacking the symptoms of the disease, not the disease itself. I assume you know what I'm getting at, I hope. Science and technology can be useful if they are used in the right ways, not purely for profits and life indulgence.
chapsroc 1 year ago
@chapsroc
Well, to put it in his own words "humanity is made to adapt to the system, the system cannot be adapted for humanity".
WSWarthog 1 year ago
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@WSWarthog
"techno-industrial civilization forces humanity to live in ways that don't serve human needs and as such it's a perverse way of life." "humanity is made to adapt to the system, the system cannot be adapted for humanity"
Those were two great statements. It shows the depth of his understanding of the problems that humanity is facing, close to what I call “Western systemic dictatorship crapeologies”
chapsroc 1 year ago
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@WSWarthog
but I don't think he understands the root of the problems, and the people who realy responsible for establishing the "system". His victims were all victims of the "system" themselves. Take the university lab technicians, most of them went to school for career or to make a name for themselves -- university feeds the system, but sci-tech is only a small part of that pipe line. If he'd traced the $ trails he'd have found his intended targets. dead or alive, they're very illusive.
chapsroc 1 year ago
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If any one of you understand Tao Te Ching well, you're invited to read my profile, read them thoroughly, and I challenge you to point out one thing that I said had escaped what was said in Tao Te Ching. Any one of you! (don't get me wrong, I am currious myself, I wanted to test my understanding of Tao Te Ching, a challenge in good spirit is part of learning.)
chapsroc 1 year ago
@chapsroc
"What are those Western "crapeologies"?
1. Industrial Revolution: Urbanization and work regiment dictatorship. Man was free until he was convinced to abandon his natural way of life in exchange for a life as a factory worker that make him totally dependent on the upper class who own and control all means of productions."
I agree with this. Have you ever read The Unabomber Manifesto?
WSWarthog 1 year ago
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@WSWarthog no I have not, I know that he is sitting in prison right now. But I'm sure he didn't read Tao Te Ching. lol
chapsroc 1 year ago
@chapsroc
Essentially his point is that techno-industrial civilization forces humanity to live in ways that don't serve human needs and as such it's a perverse way of life. I don't know whether he studied the Tao or not, but he is not an idiot.
WSWarthog 1 year ago
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@WSWarthog
oh, I could see that he has thinking in his brain, he wanted to be heard by the media, so he sent those bombs, as I recall mostly to universities. He wanted to "teach" or "preach" to the media about his views. He would use violence in order to preach his view. He is definitely not a sage, "the sage teaches without words" he doesn't need to be heard.
chapsroc 1 year ago
@chapsroc ....LOL...your political views and prejudice towards the West is obvious, not just in your profile but within your comments. You see each of us as a "tiny cup"? "Easterners, Southerns, indulging in labels? limited viewpoints. I perceive the Universe not just one world and it's labels. You have much to unlearn. As I said before....you are not the one.
geekeing 1 year ago
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@geekeing You lost me in your incoherent shot gun approach, be a little more organized. And if it has to do with Tao Te Jing, state the chapter that you get your “inspiration” from.
Remember, you were the one that asked me casually for the translation of chapter one and I completely ignored you. I had you figured out from the start. Why? Teach those who can be taught, otherwise, the teaching profession is being disrespected. With you, I will not disrespect the Tao, so you'll be ignored.
chapsroc 1 year ago
@chapsroc .....ROFLOL...
geekeing 1 year ago
@chapsroc You disrespect the Tao by fighting against someone only to anger them. You assume he cannot learn, thus you refuse to teach him. But the root of this is not any ability he may or may not have, it's your own prejudice. So what makes you a superior person to him, may I ask? Because he is a Westerner and you are Chinese? I've seen others who hold similar views-we call them racists, not wise. Though I have to ask, if we are impossible to teach, why bother talking at all? Let it go.
travisanderson77 1 year ago 2
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@travisanderson77 like I said in my exchange w/ zzzzz52002, "westerners vs easterners" was a myth lifted straight out of the bible. Per geekeing, he already preached nonesenses, he changed the Zen teaching about "cup of tea" without realy understanding what it meant, then he asked me "then what is the right translation?" No sir, his tiny cup of tea was realy full of shits, I ain't going to waste my time with this idiot (yes from where I'm sitting he is an idiot). An idiot is an idiot.
chapsroc 1 year ago
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@travisanderson77 btw, I did not fight with geekeing, I told him that he will be ignored. Does that count as lettin go or not, well some one may care, I just don't want to waste time with an idiot, full stop.
I would realy be disrespecting the Tao if I had tried to teach him something only to get mocked by his ignorance and I might have got sucked into wasting more time with him the way I did with zzzzzz52002, and now you.
chapsroc 1 year ago
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@travisanderson77 correction: in US where you are, and communism in China ...
chapsroc 1 year ago
@chapsroc What are you talking about? Of course I'm in the United States, what does that have to do with anything, or "communism in China" for instance? I have no idea what you're trying to get at with that statement. Perhaps you could clarify it for me?
travisanderson77 1 year ago
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@travisanderson77 Western ideologies are everywhere in US, China and throughout the globe, the point is to show you that when I talked about "Western systemic dictatoship crapeologies" it is not limited to geography or races.
chapsroc 1 year ago
@chapsroc You don't want to test your learning at all. You outright assume that all foreign translations are wrong. You already assume you've found what you claim to seek. And I did read your profile, and all I saw was an angry person. Perhaps you understand other books very well, but not this one. Understanding the words as they were meant to be in such a book is useless if one does not follow them. If one gives you good advice, failing to follow it yet understanding it makes you worse.
travisanderson77 1 year ago 2
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@travisanderson77 Correction: forceful, to the point, aim is break from status quo. By "Western systemic dictatorship crapeopologies" I'm actually referring to some Euro/Anglo ideologies which resulted in millions of people killed in this decade alone. It got so out of hands, that it stripped humanity of all the rights to live freely without having to conform to their system be it "money paradigm" here in the US, or communism in China (u see, Western crapeologies is not race based?)
chapsroc 1 year ago
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@travisanderson77 No, I did not assume outright all foreign translations are wrong. What I said was this video version is full of lies, and that any one who can believe in the bible literally is utterly un-qualified to translate Tao Te Ching. You made the wrong assumptions about me then you further insulted yourself by making claim that you understand Tao Te Ching better than I. Can you be more specific vis-a-vis Tao Te Ching?
chapsroc 1 year ago
@chapsroc I didn't say that I understood it better than you. I said that understanding and following advice are two different things.
travisanderson77 1 year ago
deep
djrucker420 1 year ago
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someone keep deleting my posts the destinction of 古文 and 文言文。There is no such thing as 文言文 as a form, it's simply just a term of respect for 古文 generally speaking.
I just realize something that I missed earlier, YOU'RE NOT CHINESE. You're a typical retard "westerner" who like to talk about things that you have not understanding of. Btw, even "westerner" was a term lifted straight out the Bible, do you know that? In a globe shap and rotating world, this term is an oximoron.
chapsroc 1 year ago
@chapsroc
"YOU'RE NOT CHINESE. You're a typical retard "westerner" who like to talk about things that you have not understanding of."
Do you mean to say that what concerns the eternal and the immutable can only be accessed by "Easterners"?
WSWarthog 1 year ago
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@WSWarthog lol, my last message was for zzzzzz522002, he said was a native speaker, but later on he said and I quote him "I am not Chinese" blah blah, and some how he came to the conclusion that "Westerners" had advantage over Chinese, blah, blah... at that point I gave him what he deserved.
As for you, you can assesse whatever E&I you want, frankly I DON'T GIVE ONE BIT IOTA. But when it comes to Tao Te Ching, WE CHINESE CAN READ THE ORIGINAL TEXT, WE KNOW WHAT LAO ZI SAID.
chapsroc 1 year ago
@chapsroc That is true, you can see the text as it was. But if you are saying that the message of the Tao Te Ching is dependent on the Chinese Language to understand, you're missing the point. The Tao is universal-that it was written in Chinese is circumstance, not choice. You're pride in your Chinese heritage is valid, but your hatred of the heritage of "westerners" belies your true nature as a human being. If you understand the Tao Te Ching, make your own translation into English.
travisanderson77 1 year ago