wow ... want a spread of comments! I am part of this "cult" and was there for the live performance. Dustin ROCKED!! Been going to 12Stone since day 1, and Crossroads before for a year or so,PK preaches from the Bible and hits some touchy biblical subjects straight on. I have sat in the "pews" and been amazed that people came back from being smacked down the week before. This is the same for the college ministry (WE) ... God has made different strokes for different folks to get the message out.
Say what you will about 12 stone being a cult and blashpemous, and a concert venue and not a "House of God" (btw i didnt know I Am was in the reality market). The Angels are throwing a party for the 200 students who gave their lives to christ. And for the ppl who proclaimed to never step foot in a church and have now commited to follow him and change their lifestyle and their family life. so ya throw your stones.
do we need any music in church is music the only type of worship. Is this a worship song no but its fun to sing. Is wrong to have fun. Is God not in the car with us when we sing this song on the radio? this song got the attention of alot of ppl like paul did when he used to "Unknown God" in Rome.
The one thing good I can say about 12 Stone Church, after attending weekly for a year, is the music is fantastic. I stopped attending after the pastor ranted about the election back in October of 2008, it was very clear he was down on Obama, and he USED his leadership from the pulpit in a way I found distasteful. Also, his CONSTANT bragging about knowing various minor celebrities was really pathetic. The music kept me there for a year---they have many talented members!
We dont "need" it but its fun. And Powell we are suposed to hate the sin not the sinner. Nothing in this song talks about homosexuality, and i dont hear anything about satan in it there is nothing blasphemous in this song. 12 stone is a church for the unchurched, and have had over 2000 ppl accept Christ as there lord and savior. We have a moto at 12 stone and it is "Once your apart of the family, Its not about you."
Why do we need this in our churches? You can get this garbage on any classic rock station or cable television show. Why is this in a church service?? So sad.
@jouamua An opener? I didn't know there were any other songs that should be played in a church other than worship songs. Humor. Right, I'm sure Jesus fell off of the throne he was laughing so hard. Sorry if I come off harsh, but this has nothing to do with the Gospel.
12stone is an awesome place that brings u closer to God from the uplifting message to the way PK who is a true man of God shares how he too has not so christian moments and must confess to God he helps me know being a Christian isnt about being perfect its about following God and giving ur all to live 4 Him... Thank u 12stone
@Powelljc3 -- Thank you for your thoughts. But just to let you know this wasn't meant to be a worship song. This was an opener for a service. I'm sure we could all use a little humor. Just my thoughts.
@jouamua "This was an operner for a service. I'm sure we could all use a little humor. Just my thoughts." Interesting..did Christ ever used humor while preaching the truth? Um...NO! I don't think conforming to world is an ideal example of what followers of Christ must do while opening up a service. Why don't you open up the service by praying and asking God to bless those in attendance with spiritual gifts and understanding instead of mimicking a song performed by a sick minded person.
@FAITHandLOGIC Do us all a favor and keep your negative close-minded thoughts to yourself. It's pathetic that you have absolutely nothing else to do than find churches to bash on or try to disprove the Christian faith. Find a new hobby that doesn't cause bitterness or hate.
@jouamua Ahh, so criticism = hate? You're so pathetic. Who taught you that? Kevin Myers? It's hilarious how churches like yours, and Andy Stanley's cult, react to criticism by insinuating that it's a personal attack. You're like a bunch of politicians.
@FAITHandLOGIC Why are you so mad? 12Stone church is a church for the un-churched. We welcome EVERYONE: non-believers, broken people, gays, etc. Why have a church that only "Christians" can attend? So what if we have these special songs/extras. Is it needed? No. Is it fun? Yes...for 3-5 minutes...we get entertained. The remaining hour and 15 minutes, we engage in worship and the pastor's preaching. Have you even attended a service before you start passing judgment?
@jouamua Because it's insane. A church is a gathering of BELIEVERS. Why do you feel the need to water down the Word or have to put on a show to get people in? All you're saying is that "come in, we're just like the world" when the actions of a Christian and praising of God should be enough. If that isn't good for the unbeliever, then let them go. If they are coming for the entertainment, then they are not coming for God. The "church for the unchurched" is such a cop out.
@jouamua Church is not to entertain you, it is to bring glory to God. Church is for the believer, Not and again I say NOT for the none Christian. If people come into to a church and they become saved then Glory to God. I know the mind set of many (well most) of the 12-stoners. It is to just bring people to church hoping they get "saved" not sharing the good news of the Gospel. Also the Gospel they share is powerless in the extreme. They are missing the real meat of it all.
@Wbeard92 Seriously??!! I invite people because the messages always bring Glory to God. Think about it - many years ago, Handel's Messiah was considered sacrilegious. Never in a million years did I think I would grow as a Christian attending such a large contemporary church. I am so grateful God has put me in this place - He has rekindled my love for HIM through the worship and the messages. Every word that is sung or spoken during a service is bathed in prayer and to HIS Glory.
@ajrawson Um, Twelve stones teaching is sadly shallow. Of the things I have seen and heard it doesn't bring glory to God. Why? 1. They have no problem bring that which is sensual and profane into the church(Like when they played eminem). Then their "gospel" is both shallow and filled with a lot of half truths. Then in some sermons going to pop culture for all there examples not the bible. As well there is no unction in the preaching. It is nothing more then another seeker sensitive "church"
@ajrawson As well as playing "worship" music that is focused on the human aspect not on God. It points you to man and not to God, and therefore it is humanistic. Also you have all the theatrics that they put in to the singing. This isn't to bring glory to God, it is to entertain those in the audience and causes everyone to focus on those singing NOT on the Lord Jesus Christ. I would strongly encourage you to look for a church that truly lifts high the Name of Christ.
@ajrawson Also I know in this area it is hard. very hard. There are very few churches that do this in this area. If you are interested in finding another church though please send me a message. If I sounded harsh or proud please forgive me for that, but please prayerfully consider what I have said. (If you are interested in pastors that preach a solid message I would suggest: Paul Washer, Leonard Ravenhill, David Wilkerson, Eric Ludy, Nathan Johnson (who is nazarene) those are just a few).
@jouamua He has a legitimate point. If you are proposing that you are open-minded then I call you to repent. That is not how a Christian is to think. Also to address your statement of 12 stone being a church for the unchurched. I would sooner they stay home then go to a service. All I see is the inventions of man and flesh. We are to bring glory to God in everything we do. In church and out of church. Simply I don't see it from this church. They cater to the flesh and are gone astray.
@FAITHandLOGIC Obviously you must be obsessed with 12Stone church to go through all our videos. Have you intended any of the services or listened to them? Don't like 12Stone church...move on to another church. No one is asking or forcing to stay.
@jouamua And that's the exact time of brain-dead assumption people from churches like yours have. Can't argue facts, rather play the victim and cast labels.
Obsessed? Hardly. These Willow Creek style churches make me puke. You are more concerned with entertaining people than preaching truth from the Bible and the proof is in singing a song about a kid who kills someone and asks Beezlebub for help. Unbelievable.
@jouamua No, actually he more then like is doing what I am doing. Going through major churches that draw large crowds. To see whether people are coming because God is truly at work, or if they are doing nothing but drawing carnal (unsaved) people by carnal (fleshly) means. As well you also don't understand judging as outlined in the bible. Biblically you are to judge. Not by the flesh but by the word of God.
@jouamua Humor maybe, but listening to the profane in a place claiming the name of Christ, no! This sorta of thing should never take place in a church. It is nothing more then bringing the world into the church. We are to be in the world but NOT of it. This is being in the world and OF the world.
@Powelljc3 Great comment. I've posted comments about churches rendition of Bohemian Rhapsody. How can so call followers of Christ be singing a song that was performed by a homosexual inside the House of God??? Welcome to modern day Christianity where more and more Christians are conforming to the world today.
AMAZING! thank you 12Stone for all you have done for my family. The way you teach the word of God makes you different and I love it. Thank you Lord for an amazing pastor and church!
How can you even embrace this song, even in your personal time, but how can you have it share the stage with Revelaion song or many others...you have sinned against heaven.
Chruch is Holy - it is his House and it is His Bride and as a pastor you are obligated to bring this Bride forward with out any spot or wrinkle.
What you have offered and what you are offering at times is profane fire...I want you to see that the lyric that everyone sang with such joy and such abandon, what if it comes true? What if a devil is put aside for everyone who took part of those services....your spirit is so seared that you cannot even be spoken to by God.
Beelzebub has a devil put aside for me, for me, for me.
God is the same yesterday today and forever, you have kept your chruch willfully ignorant of the Word of God so that you can lead them in this direction.
God hates the profane...
Lev 16:1
16 Now the Lord spoke to Moses after the death of the two sons of Aaron, when they offered profane fire before the Lord, and died;
wow ... want a spread of comments! I am part of this "cult" and was there for the live performance. Dustin ROCKED!! Been going to 12Stone since day 1, and Crossroads before for a year or so,PK preaches from the Bible and hits some touchy biblical subjects straight on. I have sat in the "pews" and been amazed that people came back from being smacked down the week before. This is the same for the college ministry (WE) ... God has made different strokes for different folks to get the message out.
cvsWebDesigns 4 months ago
Say what you will about 12 stone being a cult and blashpemous, and a concert venue and not a "House of God" (btw i didnt know I Am was in the reality market). The Angels are throwing a party for the 200 students who gave their lives to christ. And for the ppl who proclaimed to never step foot in a church and have now commited to follow him and change their lifestyle and their family life. so ya throw your stones.
thirst216 4 months ago
do we need any music in church is music the only type of worship. Is this a worship song no but its fun to sing. Is wrong to have fun. Is God not in the car with us when we sing this song on the radio? this song got the attention of alot of ppl like paul did when he used to "Unknown God" in Rome.
thirst216 5 months ago
The one thing good I can say about 12 Stone Church, after attending weekly for a year, is the music is fantastic. I stopped attending after the pastor ranted about the election back in October of 2008, it was very clear he was down on Obama, and he USED his leadership from the pulpit in a way I found distasteful. Also, his CONSTANT bragging about knowing various minor celebrities was really pathetic. The music kept me there for a year---they have many talented members!
siege268 6 months ago
How can anyone justify this being played inside of a church? So sad that Christians think they need this in order to be relevant.
joelb1 6 months ago
We dont "need" it but its fun. And Powell we are suposed to hate the sin not the sinner. Nothing in this song talks about homosexuality, and i dont hear anything about satan in it there is nothing blasphemous in this song. 12 stone is a church for the unchurched, and have had over 2000 ppl accept Christ as there lord and savior. We have a moto at 12 stone and it is "Once your apart of the family, Its not about you."
thirst216 11 months ago
Why do we need this in our churches? You can get this garbage on any classic rock station or cable television show. Why is this in a church service?? So sad.
echampion1976 11 months ago
/this is Satanic
krhiggins25 1 year ago
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@jouamua An opener? I didn't know there were any other songs that should be played in a church other than worship songs. Humor. Right, I'm sure Jesus fell off of the throne he was laughing so hard. Sorry if I come off harsh, but this has nothing to do with the Gospel.
Powelljc3 1 year ago
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Powelljc3 1 year ago
not gonna lie, that was sick ! not as good as Queen, but was still amazing
projectpurpose 1 year ago
12stone is an awesome place that brings u closer to God from the uplifting message to the way PK who is a true man of God shares how he too has not so christian moments and must confess to God he helps me know being a Christian isnt about being perfect its about following God and giving ur all to live 4 Him... Thank u 12stone
devinwpictures 1 year ago
Amazing job! this song is so awesome...
DarkPsycotix 1 year ago
I don't really get how this glorifies God in any way. Just my thoughts.
Powelljc3 1 year ago 2
@Powelljc3 -- Thank you for your thoughts. But just to let you know this wasn't meant to be a worship song. This was an opener for a service. I'm sure we could all use a little humor. Just my thoughts.
jouamua 1 year ago
@jouamua "This was an operner for a service. I'm sure we could all use a little humor. Just my thoughts." Interesting..did Christ ever used humor while preaching the truth? Um...NO! I don't think conforming to world is an ideal example of what followers of Christ must do while opening up a service. Why don't you open up the service by praying and asking God to bless those in attendance with spiritual gifts and understanding instead of mimicking a song performed by a sick minded person.
pr1978 1 year ago
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Powelljc3 1 year ago
@jouamua Then do us a favor and stop thinking. Are you aware of the lyrics to this song? What's next? Eminem ... wait, you did that on Easter.
FAITHandLOGIC 5 months ago
@FAITHandLOGIC Do us all a favor and keep your negative close-minded thoughts to yourself. It's pathetic that you have absolutely nothing else to do than find churches to bash on or try to disprove the Christian faith. Find a new hobby that doesn't cause bitterness or hate.
jouamua 5 months ago
@jouamua Ahh, so criticism = hate? You're so pathetic. Who taught you that? Kevin Myers? It's hilarious how churches like yours, and Andy Stanley's cult, react to criticism by insinuating that it's a personal attack. You're like a bunch of politicians.
FAITHandLOGIC 5 months ago
@FAITHandLOGIC Why are you so mad? 12Stone church is a church for the un-churched. We welcome EVERYONE: non-believers, broken people, gays, etc. Why have a church that only "Christians" can attend? So what if we have these special songs/extras. Is it needed? No. Is it fun? Yes...for 3-5 minutes...we get entertained. The remaining hour and 15 minutes, we engage in worship and the pastor's preaching. Have you even attended a service before you start passing judgment?
jouamua 5 months ago 2
@jouamua Because it's insane. A church is a gathering of BELIEVERS. Why do you feel the need to water down the Word or have to put on a show to get people in? All you're saying is that "come in, we're just like the world" when the actions of a Christian and praising of God should be enough. If that isn't good for the unbeliever, then let them go. If they are coming for the entertainment, then they are not coming for God. The "church for the unchurched" is such a cop out.
FAITHandLOGIC 5 months ago
@jouamua Church is not to entertain you, it is to bring glory to God. Church is for the believer, Not and again I say NOT for the none Christian. If people come into to a church and they become saved then Glory to God. I know the mind set of many (well most) of the 12-stoners. It is to just bring people to church hoping they get "saved" not sharing the good news of the Gospel. Also the Gospel they share is powerless in the extreme. They are missing the real meat of it all.
Wbeard92 2 weeks ago
@Wbeard92 Seriously??!! I invite people because the messages always bring Glory to God. Think about it - many years ago, Handel's Messiah was considered sacrilegious. Never in a million years did I think I would grow as a Christian attending such a large contemporary church. I am so grateful God has put me in this place - He has rekindled my love for HIM through the worship and the messages. Every word that is sung or spoken during a service is bathed in prayer and to HIS Glory.
ajrawson 5 days ago
@ajrawson Um, Twelve stones teaching is sadly shallow. Of the things I have seen and heard it doesn't bring glory to God. Why? 1. They have no problem bring that which is sensual and profane into the church(Like when they played eminem). Then their "gospel" is both shallow and filled with a lot of half truths. Then in some sermons going to pop culture for all there examples not the bible. As well there is no unction in the preaching. It is nothing more then another seeker sensitive "church"
Wbeard92 4 days ago
@ajrawson As well as playing "worship" music that is focused on the human aspect not on God. It points you to man and not to God, and therefore it is humanistic. Also you have all the theatrics that they put in to the singing. This isn't to bring glory to God, it is to entertain those in the audience and causes everyone to focus on those singing NOT on the Lord Jesus Christ. I would strongly encourage you to look for a church that truly lifts high the Name of Christ.
Wbeard92 4 days ago
@ajrawson Also I know in this area it is hard. very hard. There are very few churches that do this in this area. If you are interested in finding another church though please send me a message. If I sounded harsh or proud please forgive me for that, but please prayerfully consider what I have said. (If you are interested in pastors that preach a solid message I would suggest: Paul Washer, Leonard Ravenhill, David Wilkerson, Eric Ludy, Nathan Johnson (who is nazarene) those are just a few).
Wbeard92 4 days ago
@jouamua He has a legitimate point. If you are proposing that you are open-minded then I call you to repent. That is not how a Christian is to think. Also to address your statement of 12 stone being a church for the unchurched. I would sooner they stay home then go to a service. All I see is the inventions of man and flesh. We are to bring glory to God in everything we do. In church and out of church. Simply I don't see it from this church. They cater to the flesh and are gone astray.
Wbeard92 2 weeks ago
@FAITHandLOGIC Obviously you must be obsessed with 12Stone church to go through all our videos. Have you intended any of the services or listened to them? Don't like 12Stone church...move on to another church. No one is asking or forcing to stay.
jouamua 5 months ago
@jouamua And that's the exact time of brain-dead assumption people from churches like yours have. Can't argue facts, rather play the victim and cast labels.
Obsessed? Hardly. These Willow Creek style churches make me puke. You are more concerned with entertaining people than preaching truth from the Bible and the proof is in singing a song about a kid who kills someone and asks Beezlebub for help. Unbelievable.
FAITHandLOGIC 5 months ago
@jouamua No, actually he more then like is doing what I am doing. Going through major churches that draw large crowds. To see whether people are coming because God is truly at work, or if they are doing nothing but drawing carnal (unsaved) people by carnal (fleshly) means. As well you also don't understand judging as outlined in the bible. Biblically you are to judge. Not by the flesh but by the word of God.
Wbeard92 2 weeks ago
@jouamua Humor maybe, but listening to the profane in a place claiming the name of Christ, no! This sorta of thing should never take place in a church. It is nothing more then bringing the world into the church. We are to be in the world but NOT of it. This is being in the world and OF the world.
Wbeard92 4 days ago
@Powelljc3 Great comment. I've posted comments about churches rendition of Bohemian Rhapsody. How can so call followers of Christ be singing a song that was performed by a homosexual inside the House of God??? Welcome to modern day Christianity where more and more Christians are conforming to the world today.
pr1978 1 year ago
I don't really get how this glorifies God in any way. Just my thoughts.
Powelljc3 1 year ago
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Titus 1 15b:16 If fact, both their minds and conscienses are corrupted. They clain to know God but by their actions they deny Him. (NIV)
You would do well to read
Mathew 7:21-23.
jsauricki 2 years ago
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jsauricki 2 years ago
this was awesome! i gt to see it to :p 12stone rockkks
pandabeachbum 2 years ago
AMAZING! thank you 12Stone for all you have done for my family. The way you teach the word of God makes you different and I love it. Thank you Lord for an amazing pastor and church!
marthaljd 2 years ago
When each person who sang the song confessed over their lives....The Bible says we will be held accountable for every careless word.
I hope that you see the gravity of the behavior of your church and teach them the truth.
You have been warned.
Kentfischer 2 years ago
How can you even embrace this song, even in your personal time, but how can you have it share the stage with Revelaion song or many others...you have sinned against heaven.
Chruch is Holy - it is his House and it is His Bride and as a pastor you are obligated to bring this Bride forward with out any spot or wrinkle.
Kentfischer 2 years ago
What you have offered and what you are offering at times is profane fire...I want you to see that the lyric that everyone sang with such joy and such abandon, what if it comes true? What if a devil is put aside for everyone who took part of those services....your spirit is so seared that you cannot even be spoken to by God.
Beelzebub has a devil put aside for me, for me, for me.
Kentfischer 2 years ago
God is the same yesterday today and forever, you have kept your chruch willfully ignorant of the Word of God so that you can lead them in this direction.
God hates the profane...
Lev 16:1
16 Now the Lord spoke to Moses after the death of the two sons of Aaron, when they offered profane fire before the Lord, and died;
Kentfischer 2 years ago
Matt 15:7-9 7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying:
8 "These people draw near to Me with their mouth,
And honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
9 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.'"
You will falsely think that you are being persecuted by this coment...you are not being persecuted but you are being warned.
Kentfischer 2 years ago
this is awesome!!
wenigoosestep 2 years ago
YES! a guy that can hit the damn high notes!
MunfyKun 2 years ago
that was awesome! sad i missed it...
Haxen2000 2 years ago
I was at the 1:00 service, (The Rowdy Crowd), it was awesome, LOL,at the fast part these 3 guys in the audience started head-banging! 5/5
movienoc101 2 years ago
The 1 o'clock service was the smallest service...yet it was the only service we had the most crowd interaction with. Pretty awesome stuff.
jouamua 2 years ago
Yeah, did you go today?
movienoc101 2 years ago
Yes I did go. I attend the 9am service and then teach at the 11am service. Did you go?
jouamua 2 years ago
of course!!
movienoc101 2 years ago
I was at the 11 o'clock service. it was awesome
SONGizMYlife 2 years ago
that was excellent. it wasnt perfect but it wasnt supposed to be because they're adding a new touch to it. i like it.
9612706 2 years ago