Saltwater as a fuel

[kaostwenty2]

it is not a question of being well educated but instead a question of being kept ignorant (by the petrol people)

[xrayrep]

I'm one of those "fucking detractors" whom you speak so highly of. Unlike you, I have a solid understanding of physics, chemistry, and electronics. Therefore, I am not at all impress when I read an artcile about water as fuel, or seawater as fuel, because I know that water IS NOT A FUEL, and can never be used as a fuel. The RF generator that Kanzious used to burn saltwater is as big as a freaking truck. I can burn urine with it, but urine is not a fuel. GET EDUCATED and you won't get duped.

[PlasmaDude47]

@xrayrep I'm not being duped, I was just reporting on what I saw and read, if it works ok if doesn't ok. No big deal to me.

[lloydr1996]

ur about 50 years old and with a name like plasmadude you must still have it :)

[PlasmaDude47]

@lloydr1996 WTF?????

[lloydr1996]

@PlasmaDude47 dw mate :)

[PlasmaDude47]

@lloydr1996 I'm not, lol!

[masterbenjamin]

@PlasmaDude47 i think he was reffering to the fact that youre still following allong on technological advancements :)

[PlasmaDude47]

@masterbenjamin Oh ok, lol!

[GMBCATASTROPHE]

Right. You can feel very confident in the reality of this development. The knee-jerk skeptic showed up and his accusations were shown to be without foundation.

[somedudeinva]

Do none of you understand that this is not burning saltwater as a fuel? The fuel is the electricity used to jostle the water. No process can produce more energy than it consumes. Since the products of the combustion equal the starting material (water) there can be no net change in energy.

The salt simply makes the water an excellent electrical conductor.

[PlasmaDude47]

@somedudeinva I just reported what i saw.

[GMBCATASTROPHE]

@somedudeinva

No thats not right. Some hydrogen separates in solution. If you could tease the hydrogen out, in some way you could burn it. And then since the water would reconstitute itself without the missing hydrogen atoms you could continue the process. The key is can you tease out the already loose hydrogen atoms with the radio waves. And apparently it can.

[somedudeinva]

@GMBCATASTROPHE No, it doesn't "separate in solution". If you are referring to self-ionization of water, that doesn't produce hydrogen, that produces H+ ions, which still require an electrochemical reduction (co$ting energy) to produce hydrogen. So no, the process does not produce energy.

[GMBCATASTROPHE]

Are you saying a proton needs to absorb energy to do anything?

You've got to accept the reality of what you see in front of you. Even mainstream theories of energy tell us that there is energy all around us. They claim that all matter is energy. Therefore if you have a reaction, producing more energy then it is consuming, you are in no position to pretend it isn't happening.

[PlasmaDude47]

@GMBCATASTROPHE Folks I'm just reporting what I saw and read! If it works ok, if it doesn't that's ok too. I don't really care!

[GMBCATASTROPHE]

Well you were right to point it out. Its powerfully exciting stuff. But everywhere I look I'm seeing a tired, mindless skepticism getting in the way of everything. If these guys were using more energy in the radio waves then they were getting out of the seawater, I'm sure it would have occurred to all these fellows that this indeed was what was happening.

[PlasmaDude47]

@GMBCATASTROPHE Thanks and I'm sure it id. I haven't any more about this, it could be that they are still working on it.

[somedudeinva]

@GMBCATASTROPHE Those people are polymer engineers, not chemists. I am a chemist who works with such people all the time and I'm quite sure it's not difficult to find people who will fall for this and not notice the folly of what they are seeing.

Be as angry as you like about it - when I can actually see a working model and have it scrutinized by true scientists, THEN I will be willing to believe it. Until then, anger does not win the day.

[GMBCATASTROPHE]

No you are just being a moron mate. A polymer engineer is going to know if they are having to use more energy in the radio-waves then they are getting out of the burning seawater. Its just about you being a moron. No-one cares about your opinion mate. You are just being an idiot.

[GMBCATASTROPHE]

Imagine someone being as stupid as you are. Imagining in your little mind that people are worried about what you think. 

[somedudeinva]

@GMBCATASTROPHE This conversation has degraded to the normal level - name calling. I'm glad to see this is your debating technique - and when people walk away from you you consider yourself the victor.

You clearly haven't worked with many polymer engineers. I've only worked in chemical plants for 13 years (and a polymer plant for 4), so what would I know?

When you answer me with another name calling insult, don't mistake my lack for reply for accepting defeat. This is simply futile.

[GMBCATASTROPHE]

You wouldn't know shit fella. Because no experience will see you over the hurdle of a logic deficit. I've already given you one plausible source of electrical energy that lies WITHIN YOUR OWN PARADIGM. And there could well be many more potential sources of energy that your paradigm would make you blind too.

Once again. Seawater average pH is over 8. The ions dissociate, leaving extra H+ ions. This needs an electron donor as you said to then combust with oxygen. And thats no problem.

[GMBCATASTROPHE]

So what is your MAIN mental handicap? You have no apriori argument, and you have no evidence that anyone has been stupid enough to

1. overlook the wattage of the radio wave generator, and

2. somehow fail to notice that it is more than the thermal energy generated. All in all you are beaten on empirical evidence and on the logic of the argument.

Your position has been trashed.

[GMBCATASTROPHE]

Or what about that consideration of the pH 8.2? Here you have a naked hydrogen ion, And electron stealer. But you have a willing electron donor in the pH 8.2 seawater itself. Hence you have the potential that you need for a flame out of all proportion in energy production to the radio wave that keeps it running. The point is to not get in the way of science with arrogant know-nothing skepticism.

[somedudeinva]

@GMBCATASTROPHE At pH 8.2 there is less than 8% of the available protons then there is at pH 7. Protons are not "electron stealers" unless you have something to steal it from - something with a propensity to give it up. In aqueous solution, no such species exists unless you add a highly reactive metal - and even then the energy derives from the metal.

I'm sorry, but you're the know-nothing. I should know better than to waste time arguing with people who don't know anything about chemistry.

[GMBCATASTROPHE]

Its the idea that no process can produce more energy then it consumes that is entirely wrong. Wrong for the reason that energy is everywhere, and we are in no position to claim that it cannot be tapped in some way. See you are merely claiming .... its not happening. I cannot believe what I'm seeing. Its just a situation where you are sticking your hands firmly over your eyes. Seawater is pH 8.2. Thats potential energy right there. Seawater has atoms with nuclei. More potential there.

[JAXLINC]

@somedudeinva so to quote you " No process can produce more energy than it consumes."

I can go eat a peanut butter sandwich and then go build a nuclear bomb, and it will generate more energy than the peanut butter sandwich. SO, PROCESS THAT !

[somedudeinva]

@JAXLINC Is this a serious argument?

[kaostwenty2]

@JAXLINC great explanation!! 

[SupraSovereign]

I dont mean to be negative but....if the inventor sells the invention to the money changers, they will wrap it up and stick it where the sun dont shine for all eternity and keep shoving fossil fuel down your throats.

The real crisis before you isn't an energy crisis....its an international banking extremist crisis, preying upon the sheeple and all so close to TOTAL global enslavement.

[PlasmaDude47]

@SupraSovereign But you're probably right:)

[thatank777]

Wow man... using...water as fuel... DUDE. Great idea! You could mix the frequency technology and our steam technology and combine them! Use the fumes from the excess salt water and use it to fuel a side steam engine. Mix that with Solar power, and bam, you've got the cleanest burning energy on earth!

[PlasmaDude47]

@thatank777 If that would work I say why not:)

[troubledownbelowsir]

Could this be used as a weapon? Blood is like saltwater, isn't it? Aim a strong enough beam of this frequency at a person, and would their blood boil? What would be the defense? A reflective shield? I'm not advocating this!

[PlasmaDude47]

@troubledownbelowsir I have no idea, but if it can I'm sure we'll find a way, lol!

[troubledownbelowsir]

Somebody's trying to get funding, did it say? That's typical of science now. It's a nice idea, but it probably requires more energy put in than it outputs. Might work if solar power is the energy input, say on a space station. I see a cartoon. Everybody's driving seawater powered cars, and the oceans are lowering

[PlasmaDude47]

@troubledownbelowsir I don't know if they were trying to get funding or not and I haven't heard any more on it. Seawater powered cars, now there's an idea, haha.

[x65535x]

Considering the overall apparent lack of any scientific or even mathematical background sure seem to make you and angry sumbitch.

At any rate, here's my point. H2O (hydrogen hydroxide, aka. WATER) is a highly stable relatively low energy molecule. By relatively, I mean it is the most stable lowest bond energy form of the two elements that can exist. There is no other Hydrogen/Oxygen containing compound that exists with lower bond energy, which means that it is not a fuel. That's the truth.

[PlasmaDude47]

Lol, was only reporting what i saw on TV and read on the internet. If it works ok, if it doesn't ok. No big deal to me:)

[jonzflicks]

Energy out minus energy in = plus or minus ? please

[PlasmaDude47]

Whatever!

[G0IFI]

There's nothing new about hydrogen being extracted from water, saline or not. The question is whether most, or more than all, the energy released by burning the hydrogen would be enough to power the radio frequency generator required AND perform some useful function. It's doubtful, frankly. And if they have defied the laws of physics here somehow, they've kept it quiet.

[PlasmaDude47]

I haven't heard any more on it either.

[dolberman2]

@G0IFI

Good Comment.

[tangent169]

Great, it works. Has anyone else thought about the potential impact on an already strained natural resource. Sea levels are dropping and still coastal cities in other countries are employing desalination plants to provide water for their citizens. California is planning to built 20 such plants. Can we really afford to burn salt water to provide energy. Leave the water out of it and continue to develope hydrogen cells.

[rubickscube6666]

that would be so effing cool, seawater it our cars! we would get out of iraq, out of middle east, and "america, the world power" would mind their own busines and make their own cars

[PlasmaDude47]

Yeah it would be, if they ever get to work efficiently!

[rubickscube6666]

it probably wouldnt, as we cant exactly burn "water", we could use the sodium chloride in the water to create energy, but tis highly unlikeley as USA is a pretty lazy country

[PlasmaDude47]

Yeah it seems we only do things when were forced to and that's shame because we have the technology to get off oil.

[rubickscube6666]

also, another thang that would hinder our progress is probably U.S.A. having to many uneducated kids, that go out and do drugs and have kids at the age of as young as 13, they aint becoming any scientists.. yea, we REALLY need to get off our asses and do something, like a new fuel

[PlasmaDude47]

This is so true:(

[rubickscube6666]

i hope i can make a difference when i grow up, im one of the few smart kids these days, but u got some cool vids man, i like ur way of thinking!

[PlasmaDude47]

Thanks so much. I would love to live long enough to see you make a difference:)

[adoomator]

Don't say that. It makes me sad.

[PlasmaDude47]

Me too, but it probably will happen that way.

[lostinseganet]

Has there been any progress?

[PlasmaDude47]

I don't know, haven't heard another word on it.

[badikoy]

this is one of the reasons why the elite are planning to create war again.....they just dont want the inevitable equality for all...

[PlasmaDude47]

You could be right!

[ae69ae69]

basically we can ignite the oceans or 66 percent of the earth

[PlasmaDude47]

Don't say it to loud or we just night do it, lol!

[nibus9]

Yeah this is JOHN KANZIUS idea !!

[PlasmaDude47]

OH ok, if you say so:)

[durian789]

stop smoking mate. Your smoke is coming thru my computer.

[PlasmaDude47]

Burp!

[neephius]

Mate i hope this is your idea and if it is make sure you have all you paper work in order and dont sell out to the big oil companies we are relying on you and for those dumb fuckers that think that we will use all the water wake up you can not burn water . It simply turns to steam and reagroups as water like steam in the shower.

The best of luck mate.

[PlasmaDude47]

No it wasn't my idea dude, I just watched it on tv and read it online. I'm just telling my subscribers what I saw, and it sounded like a good idea. I never said it was an all out solution to the energy problem.

[ahamilce]

What size radio frequency generator do you need to successfully do this? What kind of money are you talking about in order to produce enough radio waves to separate the elements? This is very interesting to me and just curious.

[PlasmaDude47]

I have no idea and I'm not sure they gave that information in the article.

[adqda]

so if I have a big enough radio frequency generator I could turn the Earth into a ball of fire

[PlasmaDude47]

try it and find out:)

[neephius]

Yeah great lets all burn salt water. and for those dumb fuckers that think that we will use all the water wake up you can not burn water . It simply turns to steam and reagroups as water like steam in the shower.

[PlasmaDude47]

Yeah you're one of those people have all the answers to everything.

[DemonicFireFly117]

Whether it's possible or not, I don't think it's a good idea. If we have a fuel that efficient, then everybody will be using the crap out of it for just about everything. Eventually the water is going to decrease faster and faster; causing a lot of problems with the ecosystem. We can't just drink up our oceans unless we can find some other fuel before we cause any problems. But, I will admit, it's better than oil.

[PlasmaDude47]

Well I don't think it's going to pan out because so far I haven't any more one it.

[neephius]

Yeah great lets all burn salt water. and for those dumb fuckers that think that we will use all the water wake up you can not burn water . It simply turns to steam and reagroups as water like steam in the shower.

More Steam More Rain More Fresh Water. Understand.

[DemonicFireFly117]

Well I was under the impression that using the water would contaminate it, but if it comes out as pure steam then I don't see why not.

[PlasmaDude47]

I watched it on tv I dont understand the whole thing myself but if it works and can be done then I say why not.

[vietarc]

Hell yeah that shiet is real. The reason one will not be reading any follow up because the government probably gave him more than enough money to do his cancer research. I have the exact formula for energy and it require 0 energy to produce energy. All I have to say is it not force x distance. If you're interested, I'll gladly hand it over.

[PlasmaDude47]

I can believe that, they probably did. That's ok I'll take your word for it, I don't need proof, but thanks for the offer anyway.

[saintjames0]

i want the formula plz send it to me thanx

[C0R3Y533G3RT5]

So... the earth will be dried up within... I don't know

[PlasmaDude47]

Why not! There's so much trash in the ocean now, there won't be an ocean left anyways!

[knightspy]

what is not discussed by scoffers is the cost of gasoline, locating drilling sites , drilling , pummping, transportation of oil , refining , transportation of gasoline to distribution places, then even the electricial power to run the pumps , thats before you start the car , its over all far more efficent to produce a few hundred watts of power on site, to produce burning salt water(near 3000degrees BTW) for heating or onboard auto use , run the dam numbers on that

[PlasmaDude47]

You're probably right, I haven't heard anymore on the subject. But I thought if it worked, it might be a good idea.

[ShadowWorks]

They will kill the poor bastard!, the governments/ NWO don't want people to be free!

[PlasmaDude47]

I can believe that!

[ShadowWorks]

Governments are only puppets, you should study all the work done by people documenting the works of the NWO or Illuminati, I didn't believe it at first but it becomes obvious after a while.

[PlasmaDude47]

Somehow, I can believe that!

[tellamonkey]

What if we all did it anyway? what can the Government do once the knowledge is out? I for one will try regardless of threat!

[PlasmaDude47]

Yeah i'd like to see if it would really work.

[PlasmaDude47]

You're probably right. I just read what it said in the report. Thanks for sharing that.

[helpusunderstand]

for all those who are stunded bu this the federal goverment has known about this for years!!! not knowing how to tax it has held it from comming out and being used!also big oil has not wanted this because it would kill there profits! Just do a search on HHO gas!

[PlasmaDude47]

I can believe that, nothing surprises me anymore aobut big business and our gov't.

[hyperkinetic]

This guy's so called 'invention' is nothing but vaporware. I've seen other videos and read other articles on this guy. When are people going to learn, water *IS NOT* a fuel!? Splitting water into H&O takes MORE energy than can be captured by the combustion of it's components. In *EVERY* energy conversion, there is LOSS. Why is it that no one ever asks "how much power did he have to put in?" There's a sucker born EVERY minute.

[PlasmaDude47]

Doesn't matter to me how he did it, or what it took to do it. If it is hoax or whatever you want to call it, will eventually come out.

[EmCSpiteri]

The drinking water table is very low and scientist tell us that it will "soon" dry up. That means that we have to look to modified sea water, if it is also used for machinery, it will disappear even faster, where that does leave us?

[PlasmaDude47]

I agree with you, I dunno what's going to happen if we don't solve the problem soon.

[hiddentrack12]

that would be great, we desparately need to find an alternative to oil!

[PlasmaDude47]

Wouldn't it though, and to think it started out as a cure for cancer, they're still working on both options. thanks for the comment buddy!

[PlasmaDude47]

Well all I know is we'll wait and see what comes of it, maybe nothing, maybe everything. I'm not going to debate the issue any further.

[GsraL]

Water is not a fuel. It never has been one, and it never will be one. Water does not burn. Water is already burnt — it is spent fuel. It is exhaust.

[PlasmaDude47]

Read the article if it's still there!

[PlasmaDude47]

Better yet, watch the video Saltwater Burns-John Kanzius

[preethamreddysy]

Water is not a fuel its a resource , or didnt ya know that

 preets

[PlasmaDude47]

I didn't say it was a fuel, I said it could potentially be used as a fuel.

[MysticVideo]

That's interesting! It's amazing what can be used for energy sometimes. I went on a tour of Bethlehem Steel awhile back and they had these monstrous engines powering the blowers for the smelters that ran off carbon monoxide - yes - carbon monoxide - that came off the smelters. Now who would've thought carbon monoxide could run an nternal combustion engine!

[PlasmaDude47]

Yeah, just goes to show that we have many options, But those in control won't use them for the betterment of mankind.

[ahardy5891]

sounds interesting

[PlasmaDude47]

Yeah it does, i'd like to see it put use.