I've had a 1966 ford mustang for two years and was tired of shitty gas mileage, barely being able to drive in bad weather (which happens a lot) and having to get tires way to often. So got a 2006 wrx wagon, had it for two weeks. And I love it! Has enough grip to pull your eyes out, sounds great! Very roomy, good gas mileage and everything a muscle car doesn't have.. If you want to drive a car for fun every day and have it make since, get a suby!!
@jchntr good job! You've finally discovered that in the course of 40 years technological improvements are made to improve vehicles! You get a gold star for that one jimmy!
@08WhiteSi it was like a 4 seater corvette, the G8 was like a 4 door corvette. .. try fitting extra passengers in a mustang, YOU CAN'T. has nothing to do with them being out of business either, and putting bigger tires on a GTO is easily done I know people who have done it. The mustang still has a straight rear axle, no IRS.. only available in ROUSH models which are expensive as hell.
@asdfghjkl10531 dude the GTO was around 30 grand new..that's a damn good price considering it has an LS2 and 4 wheel IRS to name a few options..and who cares what it looks like? that's the whole idea, it's called a "sleeper" do you know anything about cars? lol
But anyone can get a sleeper civic or accord. I think if you are going to get a car to blow off doors, it should atleast look good. Or great. But this gen for the GTO was ugly. That is my opinion, sorry bout it.
Heck, I have a 3rd gen firebird. it is the only car I have. It's not a sexy 70 chevelle or 69 camaro, but it has an older time look. It has a sporty look. Not a sleeper though, the old 350 is loud as hell
@asdfghjkl10531 to each his own i guess..my dad used to own a 2004 goat and it was an extremely fun car to drive, i really miss that car.. I happen to like the Australian design, Holden make great cars.
Okay we get it, you prefer one car over another. To be fair, these are two COMPLETELY different cars. I have no idea why they are even being compared. Japanese 4-door turbo 4-cylinder with AWD vs American coupe V8 with RWD.
imo the sti looks much cooler than the gto. the gto looks like my grandma's car - nothing like the old gtos. plus the sti is just so much nicer inside
Yes, and like I said, I do respect the abilities of the STi, it is definitely a fast car. As far as Pontiac, it's true that most of their cars that you see are junk. All I know is, I can rarely go out or drive to work and not have somebody pull up next to me and tell me I have a nice car. I love my GTO.
At least Subaru still makes cars :P Evo is done, GTO is gone. only thing left is mustang for the price range Bravo to Ford for kicking out soo much power from a v6 in the 2011. Still spend about 169 dollars on a mod called tactrix and you will find a WRX not only beats the STI but also the GTO in a 1/4 mile. See my vid for examples.
14 second for the STI? Who the fuck was driving that? My friend got a 13.47 in his STI STOCK. Not a single thing done to it. Hell my WRX when it was stock ran with the 6.0 GTO's up to 90mph. And I had 227 hp lol. It's pretty sad for the GTO.
In Australia (where the gto and pontiac g8 come from and are made), we dont waist our time by racing a Monaro (gto) against a wanker box like the wrx. We race Ford Falcon v Holden Commodore (g8) v Holden Monaro (gto).
@rextuner03 The GTO runs 13s from the factory too. The only thing the GTO doesn't have is the hideous coat hanger on the back, which is not a bad thing.
@theblackpope00 Yeah but they run 13.80's where the STi runs 13.40's. The "coat hanger" on the back is actually functional. The STi is fast enough to use it at higher speeds.
@rextuner03 Wrong, unless you are referring to the '04 GTO with the LS1. Look it up. The 2005 GTO can hit 13 flat (some even claim 12.8) with a good driver. Once you figure out how to launch it properly, you're good to go and the GTO spoiler is functional as well (and not nearly as obnoxious, but that's opinion and therefore irrelevant).
@theblackpope00 I was refering to the models in the vid actually. I know those numbers are boasted for pontiac bragging. Have you ever actually seen a stock GTO run those numbers even in the 6.0? I am at the track all the time and i have NEVER seen them run those times. With slicks and a good driver yeah but slicks are stock so that doesn't really count. And I agree about the spoilers, the STi one isn't my favorite. I prefer the WRX with the low profile spoiler on the 02-03 WRX's.
what the hell is the point of this comparison? it proves nothing! I like the sti 20x more than the gto. but i still think they are complete opposites and stand for different things.
@TrippyMcFly43 exactly and thank you, were on the same page here, who gives a flying fuck if the cars cost the same? They are in completely different categories. When I bought my GTO, I didnt buy it with the intention of it competing with an STI, and the GTO was never built to compete with the STI. It was built as a muscle car and meant to look and sound good, along with having that 400 horses under its hood.
@TrippyMcFly43 now my first car was a 97 BMW M3 supercharged by dinan, lowered by bilstein shocks and H and R springs. Now if you wanted a car that was designed to compete with an STI, my old car woulda been that. I've destroyed many an STI with a car thats 7+ years older than the STI, but nobodies comparing that M3 to the STI.
What are you talking about? I'll take the GTO anyday. The WRX looks cheap as hell. So it has slight advantages in some categories. So what? It's still more exciting to see and hear a nice GTO then to see another subaru. I'm not saying the STi isn't a fast car. Besides a Mitsubishi VR-4 or a tt supra, it's one of the only imports that deserves respect on the street. But the GTO is a more mature, intimidating car. Offended WRX owners, feel free to reply...
@CCMedic09 haha k ill go first. Sti might look cheap but it aint cheap, it costs just as much as the GTO & honestly gives a lot more (Advanced diffs with diff control, extensively proven boxer engine, a car that can handle itself in a turn, & a car u can drive in any weather (snow, slush, mud, mountain trails, i live in canada lol). If ur lookin to look good while ur cruising or wana show off ur straightline acc go for a mustang, it simply does everythin better than a gto. peace & love
@CCMedic09 Im not offended or trying to talk smack, but why get a car that is ONLY nice to see and hear??? Shit, I want mine to handle great, drive on almost every terrain, and feel the torque! plus the boxer engine has a nice sound!!!
@CCMedic09 Obviously this video offended to you to make an excuse for your GTO. if you think the Subaru is cheap. Why does it cost more than a GTO? Subarus werent made for luxury it was made for performance. If you think a Subaru isnt a intimidating car then you dont see to many then. You can always hear the power of a STI coming. I think the GTO looks and even sounds nice but id still rather have my Subi with its AWD that is always helpful. Havent seen GTO's to often in races unlike the subi
@CCMedic09 Well clearly you are talking about a WRX and not a WRX STi. The sound of a boxer engine is one to die for. That low rumble with that BOV is something so distinct i shed a tear whenever someone compares it to another all looks no go car. The symmetrical AWD makes it a all terrain vehicle. I dont know where you live but id be lucky to see a Subaru every few days. Just because your V8 got tooken for a walk around the park by a 4 Banger doesnt mean you have to get your panties in a bunch.
No, I'm talking about an STi. The sound of their engine is nothing special to me. This might be because all the kids who have them slap aftermarket mufflers and exhausts on them and they end up sounding like shit. I never said it was an "all looks, no go car." In fact, I wouldn't say they look that spectacular to begin with. I do give credit to the STi's performance. I have a 2005 GTO and I have only raced one STi. It was on the highway and I beat him. My car is stock.
@CCMedic09 How is the sound of a Boxer nothing special. They sound like shit when people put equal length headers on them. A Exhaust only brings out the low rumble of what makes a Subaru a Subaru. I like the look off an STi more than a GTO but thats all opinions. You'd be suprised how many people buy a WRX and put a STi wing on it to make it look like a STi. It really brings down the rep of a STi. Most driver of STi's arnt looking for a race. They are smart enough to take it to the track.
@SCHWEBS7 No, I'm talking about an STi. The sound of their engine is nothing special to me. This might be because all the kids who have them slap aftermarket mufflers and exhausts on them and they end up sounding like shit. I never said it was an "all looks, no go car." In fact, I wouldn't say they look that spectacular to begin with. I do give credit to the STi's performance. I have a 2005 GTO and I have only raced one STi. It was on the highway and I beat him. My car is stock.
@CCMedic09 i really enjoy the way the gto looks and the 5.7 is a bullet proof and flexible engine. i mean it powers my 91 suburban to just not as gutsy. and the subaru is more of a back roads carver than bombin cruiser. both cars are sick id love to drive one of each one day although id rather own a subie purely for the awd and flexibility of the tune. other than that tough choice ;)
i really dont like pontiacs i do truly beleive they are shit but the gto is a carry over from an austrailian commodore. the gto is a rebadged aussie gm product. its an impressive machine no matter what way you slice it. and im the scooby guy cant wait to pick one up but theres nothing like a v8... i love all machines isnt that what loving cars is about?
@CCMedic09 STi is faster, handles better, just better performance overall, and you still take the GTO. I guess youve just convinced yourself that muscle is better, which its not lol
@CCMedic09 yeah im soooooo intimidated from the v8 ahhhhhhh .....not and i believe you meant to say the sti excels in all categories :) EXEPT FOR HAVING FOUR LESS CYLINDERS OH YA AND DRIVING SUPER DUPER FAST IN A STRAIGHT LINE :)....wait wait forgot about them redneck burnouts...your right im trading my wrx in for a GTO so i can do burnouts thanks for making me see the light kind sir. May god be with yeee
@CCMedic09 it actually has advantages in every category according to the video LOLoLol look at it this way, the wrx doesnt need 6 cylinders to be a monster, nor does the GT-R, i have 2 kids and wanted a nice sporty car, the wrx is what im walking out with... all in all, you preffer american muscle, i preffer imported ..... besides you can probably customize the gto to have more horsepower than the sti so in the end everyone comes out winning right
this is fuckin stupid.. gto is terrible on gas, plus,"the godzilla strikes again" are u serious. first off godzilla was the nickname given to the nissan skyline gtr R32, r33, and the r34, wrong car! and totally not comparble to the strength of the rb26dett engine! but over all the wrx sti is way better then any pontiac. i am a great fan of 69gtos but the new ones are ugly and ill take japan anyday over pontiac hahaha!!
@daddyelev When he said Godzilla vs King Kong, he was referring to the countries monsters. Godzilla representing Japan and King Kong representing the United States. Not the vehicles and there is no way the GTO is the King Kong of United States when Skyline is the Godzilla.
The STi really is a great car, it's daily driver friendly and practical in every way but it will open up like a banshee and run with the best of them when you want it to.
this video is bull... idk how many times ive seen a (6.0) gto walk all over the sti... the sti is a 2.5 turbod about 290 hp..the gto is a 6.0 at 400 hp.. the sti weight is about 3200 and the gto 3600.. if you really think this video is true go find a stock 6.0 gto just like the one in this video and a stock sti like the one in this this video line um up and see what happens. ill leave it up to you... as for me im going with the gto in the 1/4 but the sti in the turns duh...
@subykid13 awd to rwd with no traction. clearly the sti will stay with it for a 1/4 mile... from a roll it would get killed obviously.. and top end as well. its only a 4cyl dude.. shut the fuck up. If you want it to disgrace the srt4 like it should have done in the video.. instead of comparing it to a v8. put the jap up against an american turbo 4 like how itr shouldve been. When these are tuned they are not even in the same league.. say bye bye gto!! SUBARU 4 life.
the sti is an amazing machine on the track, around turns, and has a great launch from a dead stop.
the gto is a grand tourer car, on the highway, without a doubt it rules over the sti, higher top speed, more pull at higher speeds, and it lives up to its name, GTO="gran turismo omologato" it was never intended to be a "race around the track car" put it in a straight line, and say goodbye in your rearview mirror.
I have owned both of these cars and modified them both slightly, putting about the same amount of $ into each. In the end, the video is right - the STi walks all over the GTO in nearly every way.
The GTO is harder to mod, its N/A motor doesn't respond as well to ECU tuning as the STI, its handling numb and heavy, and traction is a problem.
In the end, the STi shows its a true sports car with unbelievable agility, power and traction. And I dont even like imports!
@ADD8oi: Please define "terribly expensive". Because as I mentioned in my post I put about the same $ into both and gains with the STI were far more than the GTO for the money spent.
@eb1zzle buddy of mine had an 05 STi and was always talking about how pricey it was to modify the car up, im saying this from hearing from him, he ended up trading his car in for an EVO which he stated was much cheaper to pull serious power from
@ADD8oi: Its weird you should say that, because the 05 STI is well known as one of the best and easiest STIs ever for mods. Mine was an 04, but to put things in perspective, I gained 80whp (roughly 110bhp) with only $1200 and two mods. This was a out of the box package from a single vendor containing only 2 parts, an exhaust and tuner. This can be installed in the driveway in about 2 hours with regular tools. For comparison, $1200 gets you an intake and exhaust on a GTO, worth about 35-40hp.
@eb1zzle personally i own two mustangs so i cant tell you from experience, all the things i pick up about imports is from my buddy, he had an STi and now he drives a 350whp EVO VIII, as he tells me, so my bad if what i said was misinformed
@ADD8oi: you are excused =P. Just trying to dispel the myth that subys are hard to work on and modify. The reality is quite to the contrary, they are modular, overbuilt and under-tuned from the factory. And while I don't mean to bash the GTO or the EVO, which are both quite worthy with their own loyal followings - I loved the STI. Its the only import that I ever considered a match for American muscle and its modular, uncomplicated design.
@eb1zzle thanks for clearing that up haha, in all honesty though, from my experience the mustang was the easiest vehicle to work on to get quick power from a simple home garage, most of the competing muscle cars are just too much packed under the hood, but all legitimate performance cars have my respect, American or not
wow are you a retard both are nice yo stop hating sti is not maxed out you can get bov larger tmic pistons cams and everything a gto can do but more because its turbo'd
GTO all the way. the only thing saving the STi from being a stock ricer is its turbo. there are so many aftermarket applications you can do to the GTO that are cheap and easy but add ALOT of horses. with the STi everything is already there so its maxed out with horses unless you want to spend another 6 grand for a larger turbo. oh and on the whole 'its made an aussie so its not american' thing. that engine, the thing that makes a muscle car, was made in america. GTO still american muscle.
Exhaust , intake, intercooler, bpv's, cobb ap flash tune . . . the list goes on. Plenty of easy bolt ons to do. Not to mention if you get your parts used you can get 400 whp with 2 grand.
already comes with exhaust, putting on a new one MIGHT add 2 whp. a new intercooler would add ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, tune may add 15 whp even though they are already tuned to a very good level. you full of shit. this car already comes with all the basic bolt on parts and adding different ones is useless unless you enjoy spending over 2 grand for 15 horses. do some basic research on these cars then come tell me the only way to make them significantly quicker is a larger turbo.
Haha you have NO IDEA what your talking about. What an ignorant post. Made me laugh hard. I have an mitsu EVO with the mods I listed. Im pushing 420 awhp and running low 12's.
Let me enlighten your dumbass a little to modding imports:
full exhaust = +35 awhp
FMIC = +20 awhp
full intake = +20 awhp
tune = +40ish awhp
Those are my power gains on my stock turbo'd mitsu evolution.
Next time don't talk trash when you have no clue wtf your saying.
hahaha yea ok. your intake system is adding 20 WHEEL horse power? thats a joke. MAYBE it adds 20 BHP but no where near that amount, same with your exhaust system. thats like adding around 55 BHP with exhaust- around the same power gains as an aftermarket camshaft- which is complete bullshit. your tune numbers are bullshit also. and trust me, i know what im talking about. just look at my GTO; i built that beast up from the ground.
No you have no idea what your talking about. You obviously don't know about modding turbod cars. Its obvious from the ignorance you spouted in your last comment. Let me quote:
"already comes with exhaust, putting on a new one MIGHT add 2 whp" LOL
"a new intercooler would add ABSOLUTELY NOTHING" - how dumb are you?
"the only way to make them significantly quicker is a larger turbo. " sigh
Wow 3 RETARDED comments.
AND LOL at your video. Yay 500hp GTO backs out of your moms garage.
the WRX has an STI version. and with that version comes all the aftermarket performance parts already put on. intercooler, exhaust, ect. putting on different shit would be just like replacing something that already puts out the maximized power. btw suck my deezy. i bet you feel like a complete pussy because a kid who just graduated high school has a bad ass car that was paid for by himself. and how old are you? hahaha so just shut the fuck up pussy
Showing us a video of your car pulling out of the driveway isn't proof it has 500 HP. How much of an idiot do you have to be to give a BHP figure? Who does that when talking about mods? Stock, the GTO puts less than 350RWHP down, even at a 100WHP gain, you wouldn't be at or very close to 500WHP.
Oh, and you're also a moron with your logic regarding the STi. With a stock FI system, modding small parts in the FI system will warrant big power gains. That's why Cobra's > GTO's with mods.
no shit dumbass. if you had ANY amount of intelligence you would know that longtubes, full exhaust, and a big ass cam would easily add 100 bhp and ~80 whp. and the BHP figure was just a bonus. and who the fuck cares? only a pissed of prepubescent teen who doesnt know shit and looks at every opportunity to talk shit would care. and once again youre a fucking moron; there a re BIG power differences between a manual and an auto, manual putting more power to the wheels and thats exactly what i have.
My vocabulary is much more advanced than yours, I at least come off as a sensible person. Trying to discredit me with using sloppy insults is just a pathetic attempt to draw away from your lack of knowledge about cars. At this point, I'll bet cash you don't even own a GTO, and if you do, your parents bought it and you don't own the you mods listed. Not that I needed to evaluate your petty argument to be able to tell that.
Manual more power to the wheels? Now I know you're a moron.
I like how you have a 2005 GTO. Did you beg and beg for mommy to swing the LS2? She ended up bending and buying you a used 2005. You have horrible parents, they buy you things and you can't even spell correctly.
aww did i make you a little mad? hahaha as if i seriously give a shit what some nerdy ass bitch on youtube thinks about my car that i currently pay for. and holy shit you are a fucking moron. so you believe that an auto tranny and a manual lose the same amount of power through the transmission? HAHAHA GOOD GOD you are fucking dumb as fuck. simply google that and you are going to be put right in your place you fucking ignorant dick weed.
Me mad? Why would I be mad for telling it like it is to some internet fucking moron? You don't know shit about STi's OR Cobra's, which you've clearly demonstrated by spitting bullshit. You sound like a typical fanboy douche bag.
No more power is lost. In fact, A4's run more consistent fast times than M6's. Fact.
i know enough about both to know they will both get walked from a roll, dig, ect. even the STi with its awd may keep up to 60 but as soon as i hit 3rd its all over. and good god you seriously are just in denial with the auto trannys losing more power to the wheels. manual loses anywhere between 10-15% of their power from the crank whereas autos lose anywhere between 15-25% of their power. just fucking google it dipfuck or go to your little forum and ask someone. this just proves your ignorance.
Both will get walked? YOU'RE the one in denial if you think you will walk a Cobra from a dig OR roll. They are lighter, underrated for power, and can fit much bigger tires. They also mod MUCH better. If you think differently then your wrong. They are closely matched but the Cobra without a doubt edges out the GTO.
The logic of using youtube vids to prove your point is laughable at best. Try actually going to a track night during a GTO meet. There is no denying.
i KNOW i will walk a cobra from a roll because ive dont it before. haha "much lighter"? Jesus Christ do some damn research. the GTO doesnt even weigh 100 pounds more. you are just spouting bullshit right now. its hilarious. they are not underated dumbass, they will just lose to a vehicle with 150 more horses i.e. me. and heres another surprise. my back axel was fitted to accomodate 10 inch tires so that cobra still has nothing on me. haha they "mod better"? hahaha what a dumbshit
BTW, you're not more modded than I am, so just drop the pathetic act. You have exhaust and you claim to have a big cam. You don't have a cam, you can tell listening to your car. You don't know shit and your car isn't more modified. Just quit lying.
im not more "modded" than you. hahaha you have fucking EXHAUST and thats it! grow a pair you little puss. if you knew shit about aftermarket parts and how they effect different cars you would know that GTOs can get ridiculous improvements due to a camshaft and its size. seriously are you under 15 years old? i mean honestly you dont even know what youre talking about, saying your car is has more power than mine with a simple exhaust. my car has 433 rwhp and i have the dyno sheet to prove that
Also, I don't need to be a blind fanboy to own a GTO. I chose the GTO over anything else in the range; Cobra, STi, Evo, because it was the best choice. Still, those cars have their strong points, and I'm not a moron to think I will beat them all, like you.
You're a fucking idiot. It is commical watching you try to call me 15 years old. Try at least attempting to puncuate and not sound like a stereotypical teenage shitbag before you call me a kid.
"and I'm not a moron to think I will beat them all, like you."
so what youre saying is that my car would lose to a stock cobra, STi, and evo. my car has 150 more horsepower than the cobra and only weighs 80 pounds more yet somehow ill lose? yea... wheres the logic in that? STi has around 200 horses less but is awd and can do 0-60 in around 4.6 secs yet, using your logic, 4.6 is faster than 4.2? looks like youre 0 for 2 buddy. now the evo. same as the STi. congrats, youre a fucking retard.
Any proof? Are you REALLY that fucking stupid? IRS, RWD, lots of Torque and skinny tires ISN'T PROOF? Wow, you really ARE that oblivious. Picking on idiots like you must be a hate crime in some parts of the US.
Who said anything about "longer" and "taller"? (not even tire dimension terms, dumbass) If the tire is WIDER then it will RUB on the fender. Don't believe me? Go and try to get a tire shop to put something bigger than a 275 on back. Tell me what they say smart ass.
275 tires are not skinny fucktard. how the fuck does a car that goes as fast off the line have "launch problems"? the way describing a car that would have launch problems would include not only the GTO but every other car that has over 300 horses. haha and what the fuck do these "launch problems" hurt? definitely not my 0-60 time nor my 60' time because all thats done is improve. and, dipshit, when they put the larger rim and tire on nothing body wise was even touched. youre so full of shit.
You're an idiot. More power doesn't mean SHIT if you can't put it to the ground. Did you own a shitty ricer before this car or something? That would explain a LOT.
You can't fit anything larger than a 275, and they are NOT big tires for the amount of power the cars have. If you want to lie out of your ass and say you have experience otherwise, I want to see proof. Because you're full of shit.
haha on the contrary, if you have more power obviously more power is going to be put to the ground. tell me one situation where someone added 100 bhp on a GTO and none of it was put to the wheels. exactly so just shut the fuck up about that. and i like how youre hush mouth now about my car not being cammed. haha put in your place i see. and here ill give you the guys number who i bought the car from and he'll tell you about what he did to fit wider wheels on it. it had nothin to do with fenders.
Hush mouth about the cam? I KNOW you don't have a cam. You can hear it, no sense in pointing it out when you can't even prove it. The ball is in your court on that one, buddy.
So I was right! You did get mommy to buy you a USED 2005. You teenage shitbags are so predictable. You don't have wider tires out back without rolling fenders, cut and dry. This is a well-known fact amongst GTO owners, you're just a dumb ass kid.
You're a fucking idiot and clearly aren't even out of high school yet.
have you watched the vid? because you are one dumb fuck. i just proved it with the quality vid along with the vid with the box it came. yet i dont have one? haha yea ok. yea i bought a used '05. im paying $290 a month on it. if you dont believe it then i really dont care. youre some punk ass nerdy cocksucker on youtube. ill send you the guys number in an inbox and you can call him yourself. not out of college? you want to see why parking pass and my dorm room now? haha ok bud
I don't really need to keep commenting. You spout stupidity every time you post. Anyone who thinks throwing more power at a traction problem will help anything is a moron, plain and simple. I don't suppose you're getting video up to prove me wrong on that, are you? I'll wait for you to post another pathetic video that proves nothing while you mouth off fairy tail horse shit. You're probably a major ricer idiot.
you seriously dont. all you do is say im wrong yet dont back it with facts. yea im a ricer with a 433 rwhp muscle car. dude just accept the fact that you know nothin. youre in denial about my car, STILL FAILED TO ANSWER MY LAST QUESTION, and now think that a 1000hp GTO would run a worse 0-60 than a stock GTO. i know youre just going to avoid answerin that because youre a dumb fuck and simply cant but at least try. more power doesnt help a traction problem, no one said anything about that dumbass
BTW, the numbers you are listing for 0-60 are the BEST times posted out of dozens of runs from professional drivers. They hold no water in piss-match debates. You really don't bring any knowledge, or any logic with you to an argument, do you? Why do I even ask? You've clearly demonstrated that you don't know dick SHIT about everything you claim to know. Between thinking more power = better launches in a IRS RWD car, and how much cams and exhaust really add in power, and everything else.
and your comment on top just proves your denial. your logic consists pretty much that if you have more power, your car will be slower and that a 200 hp car would beat a 500 hp car off the line and to 60'. im about done butchering your dumb ass. you dont know shit about anything and avoid EVERY question i ask yet repeat exactly what you previously said. youre pathetic, in denial, and most of all, a fucking moron. hahaha i cant wait until i get this high quality vid of the camshaft up on here
You're delusional. Butchering my ass? That's laughable.
The logic is throwing more horsepower at a horrible launching car WILL NOT improve your 0-60 time. Why do you think there are hardly any GTO's barely breaking single digits? If you can't read that correctly, not my problem, you must have been held back in school quite a few times.
Simple logic: Lots of Torque + RWD + IRS + Small rear tires = Very little traction. If you think otherwise, you're a moron.
haha you fail to realize that after you get roll out and mash the gas down your car will accelerate harder than if it had 100 less horse power. im mean holy shit youre so fucking stupid. AND TRY TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION. why does a civic with 160 horses have a fucking slow ass 0-60 time if improvements in power are absolutely no help to make it faster? haha i knew you had some fucked up mental retardation. and loss of traction is only a problem during the first half second of the launch dumbass.
and no shit you dont think youll beat them because YOU WOULD LOSE. you still fail to realize my car has ALOT more power than yours and its obviously starting to piss you off. youre a disgrace. haha and i just realized that you said youre really involved in goat forum yet you have a pretty much stock car. i kinda feel bad for you. must be one of those nerdy mother fuckers who deserves a riced out civic. oh well, but what a waste
Again, dude, you aren't making that power. Because you DON'T have a cam! Why is it every single GTO on YouTube actually running a cam sounds much different than yours? Why is it yours lopes like every stock GTO running shitty mufflers? Oh yea, BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE A BIG CAM! You aren't making shit more power than I am without that cam. I think you're just mad that you're spending money on lightly modding your car instead of moving out of your parents house, pussy.
haha and about the cam. so those valve springs, push rods, and the fucking box it came in were what? bought without the parts in them? hahaha do i seriously need to show you a vid of the old cam. btw i live in a fucking dorm, dickweed. i work at a golf course right by my parents house which is why i stop by there. now i bet you want a vid of the dorm, my possessions and the golf course, huh? haha youre so pathetic
oh and you say autos run consistently faster times than manuals? just watch this vid and tell me why each of these 2010 manual camaros ran faster 1/4 times faster than the autos.
Just listen to your logic. An STi, which is MUCH lighter and has AWD is only going to "keep up" with you to 60? More like you will be keeping up with it. The GTO will walk an STi but it will have to catch up, it will get taken out of the hole nearly if not every time. You're just some little fanboy kid who thinks his car is the best thing trolling the road. I obviously favor the GTO, but it will only edge out the STi, and the Cobra will edge out the GTO assuming stock and all else equal.
does a 2005 STi have a better 0-60 time of 4.2? NO. do they run 11 second quarter miles? NO. idk if youre talking about stock for stock but if you are, fuck that because my goat is not stock so why the fuck would i care about a stock one going against an STi. and you obviously dont know much about the whole concept of modding cars seeing as youve only put fucking exhaust on yours. so dont say shit to me about who would beat my goat because you dont have a god damn clue
Yea, I'm pretty sure they do, actually. Adding more power to a car that already has launch trouble won't make you launch harder, moron.
I know much more about modding cars than you do, that is already apparent. I know you don't have the power you claim with the mods you have. I also know that a Cobra will mod better than a GTO and an STi will make better power >$1500 for mods. You're an idiot.
why do you even own a GTO? you have absolutely nothing good to say about them. im actually doubting that that GTO is even yours. yea you may have launch problems because you cant drive worth shit. i doubt a car that goes 0-60, stock, in 4.6-8 secs. has problems fucktard. haha so let me get this straight, you are saying "adding more power doesnt help u launch better". so basically more hores wont help your 0-60 time? ha man you should just quit talking right now. on the contrary, youre the moron.
Man, you're a fucking joke. Seriously, reading comprehension is not your strong suit.
First of all moron, the GTO has WELL-KNOWN launch issues. In fact, EVERY heavy car with alot of power, RWD, IRS AND small rear tires have launch problems. Being a good driver, and throwing more horse power don't do SHIT to help traction issues. The GTO fenders would need to be modified to fit anything larger than a 275. You're the moron here.
you just say they have launch problems but yet to bring any proof to the table. my car EASILY will do 0-60 in 4.2 secs on STREET TIRES. im not seeing ANY problems right there. the thing has the same tranny as the vipers and i have a monster level 3 clutch installed thats capable of launching a 4000 pound car with ~700 horses. youre full of bullshit. haha their fenders? so because the tire is wider means that automatically its longer and taller? hahahaha holy shit thats funny.
your GTO will not do 0-60 in 4.2 seconds on street tires. i have driven dozens upon dozens of modded GTOs. stock STi or Evo will destroy a GTO out of the hole. if you had some stickys it might be a different story but on the stock street tires, you wouldnt stand a chance.
my street tires are not stock tires, dumbass. i have bridgestone eagle F1s. on. get them warmed up and sticky and i could easily do 4 secs flat. to make it more simple, my best 1/4 mile time is 11.7 with 10 inch eagle f1 tires on.
american cars - the most retarded piece of crap that ever existed
kyhubiatch 6 days ago
I've had a 1966 ford mustang for two years and was tired of shitty gas mileage, barely being able to drive in bad weather (which happens a lot) and having to get tires way to often. So got a 2006 wrx wagon, had it for two weeks. And I love it! Has enough grip to pull your eyes out, sounds great! Very roomy, good gas mileage and everything a muscle car doesn't have.. If you want to drive a car for fun every day and have it make since, get a suby!!
jchntr 1 month ago
@jchntr good job! You've finally discovered that in the course of 40 years technological improvements are made to improve vehicles! You get a gold star for that one jimmy!
jslewalite 4 days ago
@08WhiteSi Mustang = Pussy car, come at me.
metallica5252 1 month ago
@08WhiteSi lol u mad now?
metallica5252 1 month ago
@08WhiteSi you obviously know nothing about the goats, the 05 and 06 easily hit low 13s and pissed on the mustang GTs of that era.
metallica5252 1 month ago
@08WhiteSi it was like a 4 seater corvette, the G8 was like a 4 door corvette. .. try fitting extra passengers in a mustang, YOU CAN'T. has nothing to do with them being out of business either, and putting bigger tires on a GTO is easily done I know people who have done it. The mustang still has a straight rear axle, no IRS.. only available in ROUSH models which are expensive as hell.
metallica5252 1 month ago
Friend's STI does a quarter in under 10. Granted, it's not stock like these are, but I'd take it. :D
Adnrdorpeiwk 1 month ago
These GTOs were bad.
Pontiac went downhill at the turn of the century when they dropped the firebird.
Need to compare the american icon, the Mustang!
asdfghjkl10531 2 months ago
@asdfghjkl10531 how were they bad? fuck the mustang. pussy cars..
metallica5252 1 month ago
@metallica5252 They didn't have good performance at all for the price.
And they looked like an everyday sunfire or grand am...
asdfghjkl10531 1 month ago
@asdfghjkl10531 dude the GTO was around 30 grand new..that's a damn good price considering it has an LS2 and 4 wheel IRS to name a few options..and who cares what it looks like? that's the whole idea, it's called a "sleeper" do you know anything about cars? lol
metallica5252 1 month ago
@metallica5252
I know about cars. I know what sleepers are.
But anyone can get a sleeper civic or accord. I think if you are going to get a car to blow off doors, it should atleast look good. Or great. But this gen for the GTO was ugly. That is my opinion, sorry bout it.
Heck, I have a 3rd gen firebird. it is the only car I have. It's not a sexy 70 chevelle or 69 camaro, but it has an older time look. It has a sporty look. Not a sleeper though, the old 350 is loud as hell
asdfghjkl10531 1 month ago
@asdfghjkl10531 to each his own i guess..my dad used to own a 2004 goat and it was an extremely fun car to drive, i really miss that car.. I happen to like the Australian design, Holden make great cars.
metallica5252 1 month ago
Okay we get it, you prefer one car over another. To be fair, these are two COMPLETELY different cars. I have no idea why they are even being compared. Japanese 4-door turbo 4-cylinder with AWD vs American coupe V8 with RWD.
MrGrodie 4 months ago 2
Fuck the performance I'd go with the 400 horses American v8
xjkillerx 5 months ago 5
@xjkillerx ttssshahaha what?
kyhubiatch 6 days ago
id love an american sports car but i need AWD cuz i live in wisconsin and i gotta drive in snow. so sti or evo would be best for me
redwing7583 6 months ago
@omgadivine Pontiac did quit...
punkinpolo69 6 months ago
subaru had 100hp less than gto and 1/10 sec slower!?!?!? fml pontiac just quit.
omgadivine 6 months ago
gto is faster!
Mr13gonzalez13 6 months ago
@Mr13gonzalez13 Stock STi's suck.....I have an 2004 sti with 575 hp
grunt616 5 months ago
imo the sti looks much cooler than the gto. the gto looks like my grandma's car - nothing like the old gtos. plus the sti is just so much nicer inside
calloftehviking7 6 months ago
fucking hate american cars!
MrMintaka1980 7 months ago
Yes, and like I said, I do respect the abilities of the STi, it is definitely a fast car. As far as Pontiac, it's true that most of their cars that you see are junk. All I know is, I can rarely go out or drive to work and not have somebody pull up next to me and tell me I have a nice car. I love my GTO.
CCMedic09 7 months ago
oh and btw godzilla is the nickname given to the skyline gt-r series lol. cant you have called it mothra cause of the wing lol?
wtfyourafuckindoosh 7 months ago
Does anyone think the yellow gto is sexy?
USBOWEN 8 months ago
@USBOWEN Nah a big slow PoS is what I think about it.
HallowynSB 8 months ago
kingkong vs godzilla lol so racist
AyoJeffy 8 months ago
A gto would kick that japenese cars ass any day
SpartanPride44 9 months ago
Ya do know the subaru is made in Japan right? Fuck ya keep saying Australia comments for?
Bacardirob12 10 months ago
@Bacardirob12 He's not talking about the Subaru. The GTO is modeled after a car that was in Australia first.
SAMIAM18 7 months ago
I went through 2 cars, then got a subie. I will never buy anything else.
goodsirbrett 10 months ago
I hate kids who drive Subarus
MysticDMBherb 10 months ago
@MysticDMBherb what do u love kids that drive mustangs like idiots then?
WRXSubaru08 9 months ago
@WRXSubaru08 No, not the idiots
MysticDMBherb 9 months ago
@MysticDMBherb lol ok
WRXSubaru08 9 months ago
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MysticDMBherb 10 months ago
Classic American muscle in an Australian chassis.
zk351 10 months ago
At least Subaru still makes cars :P Evo is done, GTO is gone. only thing left is mustang for the price range Bravo to Ford for kicking out soo much power from a v6 in the 2011. Still spend about 169 dollars on a mod called tactrix and you will find a WRX not only beats the STI but also the GTO in a 1/4 mile. See my vid for examples.
Hargak 10 months ago 2
Classic american muscle? lol more like new Australian Import.
ThePewb 11 months ago 2
bullet proof clutch eh...everybody i know replaces that piece of shit and the trans isnt any better
pimptydimp 11 months ago
14 second for the STI? Who the fuck was driving that? My friend got a 13.47 in his STI STOCK. Not a single thing done to it. Hell my WRX when it was stock ran with the 6.0 GTO's up to 90mph. And I had 227 hp lol. It's pretty sad for the GTO.
rextuner03 11 months ago
two of the most important things about cars are horsepower and history the gto takes both and since ive driven the 04 i can say they fucking haul ass
MrMightymatt93 11 months ago
In Australia (where the gto and pontiac g8 come from and are made), we dont waist our time by racing a Monaro (gto) against a wanker box like the wrx. We race Ford Falcon v Holden Commodore (g8) v Holden Monaro (gto).
scarblade234 11 months ago
Well i'm not going to be racing on curvy 1 lane roads. I'm gonna be putting it to the floor on the interstate. GTO ftw.
Sublime570 11 months ago
JDM 4 EVER !!!
spontanp 1 year ago
More like Godzilla vs. a Kangaroo
canadaisthenorth 1 year ago
@canadaisthenorth More like a muscle car vs a shopping cart.
theblackpope00 11 months ago
@theblackpope00 A Shopping cart that runs 13's from the factory :). It ass rapes the GTO in every way.
rextuner03 11 months ago
@rextuner03 The GTO runs 13s from the factory too. The only thing the GTO doesn't have is the hideous coat hanger on the back, which is not a bad thing.
theblackpope00 11 months ago
@theblackpope00 Yeah but they run 13.80's where the STi runs 13.40's. The "coat hanger" on the back is actually functional. The STi is fast enough to use it at higher speeds.
rextuner03 11 months ago
@rextuner03 Wrong, unless you are referring to the '04 GTO with the LS1. Look it up. The 2005 GTO can hit 13 flat (some even claim 12.8) with a good driver. Once you figure out how to launch it properly, you're good to go and the GTO spoiler is functional as well (and not nearly as obnoxious, but that's opinion and therefore irrelevant).
theblackpope00 11 months ago
@theblackpope00 I was refering to the models in the vid actually. I know those numbers are boasted for pontiac bragging. Have you ever actually seen a stock GTO run those numbers even in the 6.0? I am at the track all the time and i have NEVER seen them run those times. With slicks and a good driver yeah but slicks are stock so that doesn't really count. And I agree about the spoilers, the STi one isn't my favorite. I prefer the WRX with the low profile spoiler on the 02-03 WRX's.
rextuner03 11 months ago
Pontiac ruined the front end on the already classic Holden Monaro
swwright87 1 year ago
what the hell is the point of this comparison? it proves nothing! I like the sti 20x more than the gto. but i still think they are complete opposites and stand for different things.
TrippyMcFly43 1 year ago 2
@TrippyMcFly43 exactly and thank you, were on the same page here, who gives a flying fuck if the cars cost the same? They are in completely different categories. When I bought my GTO, I didnt buy it with the intention of it competing with an STI, and the GTO was never built to compete with the STI. It was built as a muscle car and meant to look and sound good, along with having that 400 horses under its hood.
faze13245 1 year ago
@TrippyMcFly43 now my first car was a 97 BMW M3 supercharged by dinan, lowered by bilstein shocks and H and R springs. Now if you wanted a car that was designed to compete with an STI, my old car woulda been that. I've destroyed many an STI with a car thats 7+ years older than the STI, but nobodies comparing that M3 to the STI.
faze13245 1 year ago
Haha we'll let the Americans think the GTO is theres ;)
camoonicoo 1 year ago
What are you talking about? I'll take the GTO anyday. The WRX looks cheap as hell. So it has slight advantages in some categories. So what? It's still more exciting to see and hear a nice GTO then to see another subaru. I'm not saying the STi isn't a fast car. Besides a Mitsubishi VR-4 or a tt supra, it's one of the only imports that deserves respect on the street. But the GTO is a more mature, intimidating car. Offended WRX owners, feel free to reply...
CCMedic09 1 year ago 16
@CCMedic09 Me Offend WaaaH! WaaaH!
PanzerousDragoon 1 year ago
@CCMedic09 haha k ill go first. Sti might look cheap but it aint cheap, it costs just as much as the GTO & honestly gives a lot more (Advanced diffs with diff control, extensively proven boxer engine, a car that can handle itself in a turn, & a car u can drive in any weather (snow, slush, mud, mountain trails, i live in canada lol). If ur lookin to look good while ur cruising or wana show off ur straightline acc go for a mustang, it simply does everythin better than a gto. peace & love
failchawi 1 year ago
@failchawi Go for a mustang? Why would I want something that everyone else has?
CCMedic09 1 year ago 13
@CCMedic09 Im not offended or trying to talk smack, but why get a car that is ONLY nice to see and hear??? Shit, I want mine to handle great, drive on almost every terrain, and feel the torque! plus the boxer engine has a nice sound!!!
11BNUFFY 1 year ago
@CCMedic09 Obviously this video offended to you to make an excuse for your GTO. if you think the Subaru is cheap. Why does it cost more than a GTO? Subarus werent made for luxury it was made for performance. If you think a Subaru isnt a intimidating car then you dont see to many then. You can always hear the power of a STI coming. I think the GTO looks and even sounds nice but id still rather have my Subi with its AWD that is always helpful. Havent seen GTO's to often in races unlike the subi
WRXSubaru08 9 months ago
@CCMedic09 Well clearly you are talking about a WRX and not a WRX STi. The sound of a boxer engine is one to die for. That low rumble with that BOV is something so distinct i shed a tear whenever someone compares it to another all looks no go car. The symmetrical AWD makes it a all terrain vehicle. I dont know where you live but id be lucky to see a Subaru every few days. Just because your V8 got tooken for a walk around the park by a 4 Banger doesnt mean you have to get your panties in a bunch.
SCHWEBS7 9 months ago
No, I'm talking about an STi. The sound of their engine is nothing special to me. This might be because all the kids who have them slap aftermarket mufflers and exhausts on them and they end up sounding like shit. I never said it was an "all looks, no go car." In fact, I wouldn't say they look that spectacular to begin with. I do give credit to the STi's performance. I have a 2005 GTO and I have only raced one STi. It was on the highway and I beat him. My car is stock.
CCMedic09 9 months ago
@CCMedic09 How is the sound of a Boxer nothing special. They sound like shit when people put equal length headers on them. A Exhaust only brings out the low rumble of what makes a Subaru a Subaru. I like the look off an STi more than a GTO but thats all opinions. You'd be suprised how many people buy a WRX and put a STi wing on it to make it look like a STi. It really brings down the rep of a STi. Most driver of STi's arnt looking for a race. They are smart enough to take it to the track.
SCHWEBS7 9 months ago
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@SCHWEBS7 No, I'm talking about an STi. The sound of their engine is nothing special to me. This might be because all the kids who have them slap aftermarket mufflers and exhausts on them and they end up sounding like shit. I never said it was an "all looks, no go car." In fact, I wouldn't say they look that spectacular to begin with. I do give credit to the STi's performance. I have a 2005 GTO and I have only raced one STi. It was on the highway and I beat him. My car is stock.
CCMedic09 9 months ago
@CCMedic09 So you would rather have the GTO because you're worried about what other people think?
05subiegt 7 months ago
@CCMedic09 i really enjoy the way the gto looks and the 5.7 is a bullet proof and flexible engine. i mean it powers my 91 suburban to just not as gutsy. and the subaru is more of a back roads carver than bombin cruiser. both cars are sick id love to drive one of each one day although id rather own a subie purely for the awd and flexibility of the tune. other than that tough choice ;)
wtfyourafuckindoosh 7 months ago
i really dont like pontiacs i do truly beleive they are shit but the gto is a carry over from an austrailian commodore. the gto is a rebadged aussie gm product. its an impressive machine no matter what way you slice it. and im the scooby guy cant wait to pick one up but theres nothing like a v8... i love all machines isnt that what loving cars is about?
wtfyourafuckindoosh 7 months ago
hahahaha i have a sti and my brother has a ss he alwways says that we both have muscle cars but mine is jap. muscle
zuno951 6 months ago
@CCMedic09 STi is faster, handles better, just better performance overall, and you still take the GTO. I guess youve just convinced yourself that muscle is better, which its not lol
FuZi0N00 6 months ago
@CCMedic09 i have to agree here.i would take a gto over an sti any day. although i preferr a 98' RZ supra
freakshow112233 6 months ago
@CCMedic09 let me know when you're stuck in the snow, I'll help pull you out
thunderrx91 2 months ago
@CCMedic09 yeah im soooooo intimidated from the v8 ahhhhhhh .....not and i believe you meant to say the sti excels in all categories :) EXEPT FOR HAVING FOUR LESS CYLINDERS OH YA AND DRIVING SUPER DUPER FAST IN A STRAIGHT LINE :)....wait wait forgot about them redneck burnouts...your right im trading my wrx in for a GTO so i can do burnouts thanks for making me see the light kind sir. May god be with yeee
Vf22bugeyewrx 2 months ago
@CCMedic09 it actually has advantages in every category according to the video LOLoLol look at it this way, the wrx doesnt need 6 cylinders to be a monster, nor does the GT-R, i have 2 kids and wanted a nice sporty car, the wrx is what im walking out with... all in all, you preffer american muscle, i preffer imported ..... besides you can probably customize the gto to have more horsepower than the sti so in the end everyone comes out winning right
HeavenShallBurn696 2 months ago
@HeavenShallBurn696 the GTO has 8 cylinders not 6..get it right lol
metallica5252 1 month ago
if you want the sti to sound better just strap a 3 inch straight pipe on?
gto looks crap and is crap.
Sti has a badass spoiler
IAMGONEWALKABOUT 1 year ago
this is fuckin stupid.. gto is terrible on gas, plus,"the godzilla strikes again" are u serious. first off godzilla was the nickname given to the nissan skyline gtr R32, r33, and the r34, wrong car! and totally not comparble to the strength of the rb26dett engine! but over all the wrx sti is way better then any pontiac. i am a great fan of 69gtos but the new ones are ugly and ill take japan anyday over pontiac hahaha!!
daddyelev 1 year ago
@daddyelev good thing its its chevy the only thing pontiac about the gto is the emblem nothing else
kx125cccory 1 year ago
@daddyelev When he said Godzilla vs King Kong, he was referring to the countries monsters. Godzilla representing Japan and King Kong representing the United States. Not the vehicles and there is no way the GTO is the King Kong of United States when Skyline is the Godzilla.
compleckz 1 year ago
The STi really is a great car, it's daily driver friendly and practical in every way but it will open up like a banshee and run with the best of them when you want it to.
kimc53 1 year ago
Sure the STI is easier to mod ,but its turbocharged which is always cheaper to mod / tuneup than a "regular" intake Engine like the LS2 in the GTO !
But remember: turbolag is a fag ;-) There's nothing better than the direct action from a big V8 =P
DonKosaken 1 year ago
LMFAO american muscle, thats a full sized sedan body-type from holden...lol
ADD8oi 1 year ago
umh ur not supposed to use a gto in a rally race this video is retarded its not even a good match up!
deour1990 1 year ago
Sti easily
Phofox 1 year ago
eww a gto y would they...Sti str8
bugsyt 1 year ago
id rock either or. its hard to decide... awd turbo or a chevy 6.0L... damn thats tough.
p10ghost 1 year ago
subaru ftw
sphinxofthenewage 1 year ago
this video is bull... idk how many times ive seen a (6.0) gto walk all over the sti... the sti is a 2.5 turbod about 290 hp..the gto is a 6.0 at 400 hp.. the sti weight is about 3200 and the gto 3600.. if you really think this video is true go find a stock 6.0 gto just like the one in this video and a stock sti like the one in this this video line um up and see what happens. ill leave it up to you... as for me im going with the gto in the 1/4 but the sti in the turns duh...
subykid13 1 year ago
@subykid13 awd to rwd with no traction. clearly the sti will stay with it for a 1/4 mile... from a roll it would get killed obviously.. and top end as well. its only a 4cyl dude.. shut the fuck up. If you want it to disgrace the srt4 like it should have done in the video.. instead of comparing it to a v8. put the jap up against an american turbo 4 like how itr shouldve been. When these are tuned they are not even in the same league.. say bye bye gto!! SUBARU 4 life.
mmdaniels33 1 year ago
haha 400 bhp out of a 6 litre engine, typical American car then, the germans and Japs get that from 2 litres
gonkowen 1 year ago
I'd still pick the GTO.
shnaz23 1 year ago
chill out guys, theyre both great machines.....
the sti is an amazing machine on the track, around turns, and has a great launch from a dead stop.
the gto is a grand tourer car, on the highway, without a doubt it rules over the sti, higher top speed, more pull at higher speeds, and it lives up to its name, GTO="gran turismo omologato" it was never intended to be a "race around the track car" put it in a straight line, and say goodbye in your rearview mirror.
u cant compare the two like that
nightside60 1 year ago
wrx>gto gto weighs to much a wrx wins imports for the kill
acurais1 2 years ago
i think they mean classic australian bruiser
TVRnGTR 2 years ago
I have owned both of these cars and modified them both slightly, putting about the same amount of $ into each. In the end, the video is right - the STi walks all over the GTO in nearly every way.
The GTO is harder to mod, its N/A motor doesn't respond as well to ECU tuning as the STI, its handling numb and heavy, and traction is a problem.
In the end, the STi shows its a true sports car with unbelievable agility, power and traction. And I dont even like imports!
eb1zzle 2 years ago 28
@eb1zzle of only you could find them for less then 25K :(
BrotherDarkn3ss 1 year ago
@eb1zzle STi's are terribly expensive to modify, the GTO is relatively easy to pull massive power out of
ADD8oi 1 year ago
@ADD8oi: Please define "terribly expensive". Because as I mentioned in my post I put about the same $ into both and gains with the STI were far more than the GTO for the money spent.
eb1zzle 1 year ago
@eb1zzle buddy of mine had an 05 STi and was always talking about how pricey it was to modify the car up, im saying this from hearing from him, he ended up trading his car in for an EVO which he stated was much cheaper to pull serious power from
ADD8oi 1 year ago
@ADD8oi: Its weird you should say that, because the 05 STI is well known as one of the best and easiest STIs ever for mods. Mine was an 04, but to put things in perspective, I gained 80whp (roughly 110bhp) with only $1200 and two mods. This was a out of the box package from a single vendor containing only 2 parts, an exhaust and tuner. This can be installed in the driveway in about 2 hours with regular tools. For comparison, $1200 gets you an intake and exhaust on a GTO, worth about 35-40hp.
eb1zzle 1 year ago
@eb1zzle personally i own two mustangs so i cant tell you from experience, all the things i pick up about imports is from my buddy, he had an STi and now he drives a 350whp EVO VIII, as he tells me, so my bad if what i said was misinformed
ADD8oi 1 year ago
@ADD8oi: you are excused =P. Just trying to dispel the myth that subys are hard to work on and modify. The reality is quite to the contrary, they are modular, overbuilt and under-tuned from the factory. And while I don't mean to bash the GTO or the EVO, which are both quite worthy with their own loyal followings - I loved the STI. Its the only import that I ever considered a match for American muscle and its modular, uncomplicated design.
eb1zzle 1 year ago
@eb1zzle thanks for clearing that up haha, in all honesty though, from my experience the mustang was the easiest vehicle to work on to get quick power from a simple home garage, most of the competing muscle cars are just too much packed under the hood, but all legitimate performance cars have my respect, American or not
ADD8oi 1 year ago
@eb1zzle What did you have done? I have a 05 WRX that i'm looking to mod.
sean1256 1 year ago
@eb1zzle stfu all i read was im a lying bitch!
MrFatfuck666 1 year ago
@eb1zzle Owned them both but not a camcorder...BS
boondocksaint18 1 year ago
@eb1zzle
GTO is an Import 2 dumbass LOL
TheDemonMadeMe 1 year ago
@eb1zzle the gto is an import.
scarblade234 11 months ago
@eb1zzle If you don't like imports then why did you ever own an STi? o_0
CHRISatYT01 8 months ago
man i hope subaru goes back to sedan look and gets rid of the hatchback style.
vtectilligetmoney 2 years ago 12
@vtectilligetmoney Yeah t˙at new look is lame.
FugitiveVette 1 year ago
wow are you a retard both are nice yo stop hating sti is not maxed out you can get bov larger tmic pistons cams and everything a gto can do but more because its turbo'd
Mjesisk 2 years ago
GTO all the way. the only thing saving the STi from being a stock ricer is its turbo. there are so many aftermarket applications you can do to the GTO that are cheap and easy but add ALOT of horses. with the STi everything is already there so its maxed out with horses unless you want to spend another 6 grand for a larger turbo. oh and on the whole 'its made an aussie so its not american' thing. that engine, the thing that makes a muscle car, was made in america. GTO still american muscle.
senorbeast09 2 years ago
Maxed out lol you have no idea what your talking about. 2 grand and you can drop 400+ awhp to the ground of an STI. Thats on the stock turbo.
thegarbageman21 2 years ago
tell me what part you can buy and install for $2k instead of just saying you can do it.
senorbeast09 2 years ago
Exhaust , intake, intercooler, bpv's, cobb ap flash tune . . . the list goes on. Plenty of easy bolt ons to do. Not to mention if you get your parts used you can get 400 whp with 2 grand.
thegarbageman21 2 years ago
already comes with exhaust, putting on a new one MIGHT add 2 whp. a new intercooler would add ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, tune may add 15 whp even though they are already tuned to a very good level. you full of shit. this car already comes with all the basic bolt on parts and adding different ones is useless unless you enjoy spending over 2 grand for 15 horses. do some basic research on these cars then come tell me the only way to make them significantly quicker is a larger turbo.
senorbeast09 2 years ago
Haha you have NO IDEA what your talking about. What an ignorant post. Made me laugh hard. I have an mitsu EVO with the mods I listed. Im pushing 420 awhp and running low 12's.
Let me enlighten your dumbass a little to modding imports:
full exhaust = +35 awhp
FMIC = +20 awhp
full intake = +20 awhp
tune = +40ish awhp
Those are my power gains on my stock turbo'd mitsu evolution.
Next time don't talk trash when you have no clue wtf your saying.
thegarbageman21 2 years ago
hahaha yea ok. your intake system is adding 20 WHEEL horse power? thats a joke. MAYBE it adds 20 BHP but no where near that amount, same with your exhaust system. thats like adding around 55 BHP with exhaust- around the same power gains as an aftermarket camshaft- which is complete bullshit. your tune numbers are bullshit also. and trust me, i know what im talking about. just look at my GTO; i built that beast up from the ground.
senorbeast09 2 years ago
No you have no idea what your talking about. You obviously don't know about modding turbod cars. Its obvious from the ignorance you spouted in your last comment. Let me quote:
"already comes with exhaust, putting on a new one MIGHT add 2 whp" LOL
"a new intercooler would add ABSOLUTELY NOTHING" - how dumb are you?
"the only way to make them significantly quicker is a larger turbo. " sigh
Wow 3 RETARDED comments.
AND LOL at your video. Yay 500hp GTO backs out of your moms garage.
thegarbageman21 2 years ago
the WRX has an STI version. and with that version comes all the aftermarket performance parts already put on. intercooler, exhaust, ect. putting on different shit would be just like replacing something that already puts out the maximized power. btw suck my deezy. i bet you feel like a complete pussy because a kid who just graduated high school has a bad ass car that was paid for by himself. and how old are you? hahaha so just shut the fuck up pussy
senorbeast09 2 years ago
Showing us a video of your car pulling out of the driveway isn't proof it has 500 HP. How much of an idiot do you have to be to give a BHP figure? Who does that when talking about mods? Stock, the GTO puts less than 350RWHP down, even at a 100WHP gain, you wouldn't be at or very close to 500WHP.
Oh, and you're also a moron with your logic regarding the STi. With a stock FI system, modding small parts in the FI system will warrant big power gains. That's why Cobra's > GTO's with mods.
WolfPackM98c 2 years ago
no shit dumbass. if you had ANY amount of intelligence you would know that longtubes, full exhaust, and a big ass cam would easily add 100 bhp and ~80 whp. and the BHP figure was just a bonus. and who the fuck cares? only a pissed of prepubescent teen who doesnt know shit and looks at every opportunity to talk shit would care. and once again youre a fucking moron; there a re BIG power differences between a manual and an auto, manual putting more power to the wheels and thats exactly what i have.
senorbeast09 2 years ago
My vocabulary is much more advanced than yours, I at least come off as a sensible person. Trying to discredit me with using sloppy insults is just a pathetic attempt to draw away from your lack of knowledge about cars. At this point, I'll bet cash you don't even own a GTO, and if you do, your parents bought it and you don't own the you mods listed. Not that I needed to evaluate your petty argument to be able to tell that.
Manual more power to the wheels? Now I know you're a moron.
WolfPackM98c 2 years ago
I like how you have a 2005 GTO. Did you beg and beg for mommy to swing the LS2? She ended up bending and buying you a used 2005. You have horrible parents, they buy you things and you can't even spell correctly.
WolfPackM98c 2 years ago
aww did i make you a little mad? hahaha as if i seriously give a shit what some nerdy ass bitch on youtube thinks about my car that i currently pay for. and holy shit you are a fucking moron. so you believe that an auto tranny and a manual lose the same amount of power through the transmission? HAHAHA GOOD GOD you are fucking dumb as fuck. simply google that and you are going to be put right in your place you fucking ignorant dick weed.
senorbeast09 2 years ago
Me mad? Why would I be mad for telling it like it is to some internet fucking moron? You don't know shit about STi's OR Cobra's, which you've clearly demonstrated by spitting bullshit. You sound like a typical fanboy douche bag.
No more power is lost. In fact, A4's run more consistent fast times than M6's. Fact.
WolfPackM98c 2 years ago
i know enough about both to know they will both get walked from a roll, dig, ect. even the STi with its awd may keep up to 60 but as soon as i hit 3rd its all over. and good god you seriously are just in denial with the auto trannys losing more power to the wheels. manual loses anywhere between 10-15% of their power from the crank whereas autos lose anywhere between 15-25% of their power. just fucking google it dipfuck or go to your little forum and ask someone. this just proves your ignorance.
senorbeast09 2 years ago
Both will get walked? YOU'RE the one in denial if you think you will walk a Cobra from a dig OR roll. They are lighter, underrated for power, and can fit much bigger tires. They also mod MUCH better. If you think differently then your wrong. They are closely matched but the Cobra without a doubt edges out the GTO.
The logic of using youtube vids to prove your point is laughable at best. Try actually going to a track night during a GTO meet. There is no denying.
WolfPackM98c 2 years ago
i KNOW i will walk a cobra from a roll because ive dont it before. haha "much lighter"? Jesus Christ do some damn research. the GTO doesnt even weigh 100 pounds more. you are just spouting bullshit right now. its hilarious. they are not underated dumbass, they will just lose to a vehicle with 150 more horses i.e. me. and heres another surprise. my back axel was fitted to accomodate 10 inch tires so that cobra still has nothing on me. haha they "mod better"? hahaha what a dumbshit
senorbeast09 2 years ago
BTW, you're not more modded than I am, so just drop the pathetic act. You have exhaust and you claim to have a big cam. You don't have a cam, you can tell listening to your car. You don't know shit and your car isn't more modified. Just quit lying.
WolfPackM98c 2 years ago
im not more "modded" than you. hahaha you have fucking EXHAUST and thats it! grow a pair you little puss. if you knew shit about aftermarket parts and how they effect different cars you would know that GTOs can get ridiculous improvements due to a camshaft and its size. seriously are you under 15 years old? i mean honestly you dont even know what youre talking about, saying your car is has more power than mine with a simple exhaust. my car has 433 rwhp and i have the dyno sheet to prove that
senorbeast09 2 years ago
Also, I don't need to be a blind fanboy to own a GTO. I chose the GTO over anything else in the range; Cobra, STi, Evo, because it was the best choice. Still, those cars have their strong points, and I'm not a moron to think I will beat them all, like you.
You're a fucking idiot. It is commical watching you try to call me 15 years old. Try at least attempting to puncuate and not sound like a stereotypical teenage shitbag before you call me a kid.
WolfPackM98c 2 years ago
"and I'm not a moron to think I will beat them all, like you."
so what youre saying is that my car would lose to a stock cobra, STi, and evo. my car has 150 more horsepower than the cobra and only weighs 80 pounds more yet somehow ill lose? yea... wheres the logic in that? STi has around 200 horses less but is awd and can do 0-60 in around 4.6 secs yet, using your logic, 4.6 is faster than 4.2? looks like youre 0 for 2 buddy. now the evo. same as the STi. congrats, youre a fucking retard.
senorbeast09 2 years ago
Any proof? Are you REALLY that fucking stupid? IRS, RWD, lots of Torque and skinny tires ISN'T PROOF? Wow, you really ARE that oblivious. Picking on idiots like you must be a hate crime in some parts of the US.
Who said anything about "longer" and "taller"? (not even tire dimension terms, dumbass) If the tire is WIDER then it will RUB on the fender. Don't believe me? Go and try to get a tire shop to put something bigger than a 275 on back. Tell me what they say smart ass.
WolfPackM98c 2 years ago
275 tires are not skinny fucktard. how the fuck does a car that goes as fast off the line have "launch problems"? the way describing a car that would have launch problems would include not only the GTO but every other car that has over 300 horses. haha and what the fuck do these "launch problems" hurt? definitely not my 0-60 time nor my 60' time because all thats done is improve. and, dipshit, when they put the larger rim and tire on nothing body wise was even touched. youre so full of shit.
senorbeast09 2 years ago
You're an idiot. More power doesn't mean SHIT if you can't put it to the ground. Did you own a shitty ricer before this car or something? That would explain a LOT.
You can't fit anything larger than a 275, and they are NOT big tires for the amount of power the cars have. If you want to lie out of your ass and say you have experience otherwise, I want to see proof. Because you're full of shit.
WolfPackM98c 2 years ago
haha on the contrary, if you have more power obviously more power is going to be put to the ground. tell me one situation where someone added 100 bhp on a GTO and none of it was put to the wheels. exactly so just shut the fuck up about that. and i like how youre hush mouth now about my car not being cammed. haha put in your place i see. and here ill give you the guys number who i bought the car from and he'll tell you about what he did to fit wider wheels on it. it had nothin to do with fenders.
senorbeast09 2 years ago
Hush mouth about the cam? I KNOW you don't have a cam. You can hear it, no sense in pointing it out when you can't even prove it. The ball is in your court on that one, buddy.
So I was right! You did get mommy to buy you a USED 2005. You teenage shitbags are so predictable. You don't have wider tires out back without rolling fenders, cut and dry. This is a well-known fact amongst GTO owners, you're just a dumb ass kid.
You're a fucking idiot and clearly aren't even out of high school yet.
WolfPackM98c 2 years ago
have you watched the vid? because you are one dumb fuck. i just proved it with the quality vid along with the vid with the box it came. yet i dont have one? haha yea ok. yea i bought a used '05. im paying $290 a month on it. if you dont believe it then i really dont care. youre some punk ass nerdy cocksucker on youtube. ill send you the guys number in an inbox and you can call him yourself. not out of college? you want to see why parking pass and my dorm room now? haha ok bud
senorbeast09 2 years ago
I don't really need to keep commenting. You spout stupidity every time you post. Anyone who thinks throwing more power at a traction problem will help anything is a moron, plain and simple. I don't suppose you're getting video up to prove me wrong on that, are you? I'll wait for you to post another pathetic video that proves nothing while you mouth off fairy tail horse shit. You're probably a major ricer idiot.
WolfPackM98c 2 years ago
you seriously dont. all you do is say im wrong yet dont back it with facts. yea im a ricer with a 433 rwhp muscle car. dude just accept the fact that you know nothin. youre in denial about my car, STILL FAILED TO ANSWER MY LAST QUESTION, and now think that a 1000hp GTO would run a worse 0-60 than a stock GTO. i know youre just going to avoid answerin that because youre a dumb fuck and simply cant but at least try. more power doesnt help a traction problem, no one said anything about that dumbass
senorbeast09 2 years ago
anyways you and whoever else is reading this just go look at the video response to this and decide for yourself
senorbeast09 2 years ago
BTW, the numbers you are listing for 0-60 are the BEST times posted out of dozens of runs from professional drivers. They hold no water in piss-match debates. You really don't bring any knowledge, or any logic with you to an argument, do you? Why do I even ask? You've clearly demonstrated that you don't know dick SHIT about everything you claim to know. Between thinking more power = better launches in a IRS RWD car, and how much cams and exhaust really add in power, and everything else.
WolfPackM98c 2 years ago
and your comment on top just proves your denial. your logic consists pretty much that if you have more power, your car will be slower and that a 200 hp car would beat a 500 hp car off the line and to 60'. im about done butchering your dumb ass. you dont know shit about anything and avoid EVERY question i ask yet repeat exactly what you previously said. youre pathetic, in denial, and most of all, a fucking moron. hahaha i cant wait until i get this high quality vid of the camshaft up on here
senorbeast09 2 years ago
You're delusional. Butchering my ass? That's laughable.
The logic is throwing more horsepower at a horrible launching car WILL NOT improve your 0-60 time. Why do you think there are hardly any GTO's barely breaking single digits? If you can't read that correctly, not my problem, you must have been held back in school quite a few times.
Simple logic: Lots of Torque + RWD + IRS + Small rear tires = Very little traction. If you think otherwise, you're a moron.
WolfPackM98c 2 years ago
haha you fail to realize that after you get roll out and mash the gas down your car will accelerate harder than if it had 100 less horse power. im mean holy shit youre so fucking stupid. AND TRY TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION. why does a civic with 160 horses have a fucking slow ass 0-60 time if improvements in power are absolutely no help to make it faster? haha i knew you had some fucked up mental retardation. and loss of traction is only a problem during the first half second of the launch dumbass.
senorbeast09 2 years ago
and no shit you dont think youll beat them because YOU WOULD LOSE. you still fail to realize my car has ALOT more power than yours and its obviously starting to piss you off. youre a disgrace. haha and i just realized that you said youre really involved in goat forum yet you have a pretty much stock car. i kinda feel bad for you. must be one of those nerdy mother fuckers who deserves a riced out civic. oh well, but what a waste
senorbeast09 2 years ago
Again, dude, you aren't making that power. Because you DON'T have a cam! Why is it every single GTO on YouTube actually running a cam sounds much different than yours? Why is it yours lopes like every stock GTO running shitty mufflers? Oh yea, BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE A BIG CAM! You aren't making shit more power than I am without that cam. I think you're just mad that you're spending money on lightly modding your car instead of moving out of your parents house, pussy.
WolfPackM98c 2 years ago
haha and about the cam. so those valve springs, push rods, and the fucking box it came in were what? bought without the parts in them? hahaha do i seriously need to show you a vid of the old cam. btw i live in a fucking dorm, dickweed. i work at a golf course right by my parents house which is why i stop by there. now i bet you want a vid of the dorm, my possessions and the golf course, huh? haha youre so pathetic
senorbeast09 2 years ago
oh and you say autos run consistently faster times than manuals? just watch this vid and tell me why each of these 2010 manual camaros ran faster 1/4 times faster than the autos.
watch?v=r3VHlOvE2pI
senorbeast09 2 years ago
Just listen to your logic. An STi, which is MUCH lighter and has AWD is only going to "keep up" with you to 60? More like you will be keeping up with it. The GTO will walk an STi but it will have to catch up, it will get taken out of the hole nearly if not every time. You're just some little fanboy kid who thinks his car is the best thing trolling the road. I obviously favor the GTO, but it will only edge out the STi, and the Cobra will edge out the GTO assuming stock and all else equal.
WolfPackM98c 2 years ago
say that when ur going around a corner :)
pisshole16 2 years ago
does a 2005 STi have a better 0-60 time of 4.2? NO. do they run 11 second quarter miles? NO. idk if youre talking about stock for stock but if you are, fuck that because my goat is not stock so why the fuck would i care about a stock one going against an STi. and you obviously dont know much about the whole concept of modding cars seeing as youve only put fucking exhaust on yours. so dont say shit to me about who would beat my goat because you dont have a god damn clue
senorbeast09 2 years ago
Yea, I'm pretty sure they do, actually. Adding more power to a car that already has launch trouble won't make you launch harder, moron.
I know much more about modding cars than you do, that is already apparent. I know you don't have the power you claim with the mods you have. I also know that a Cobra will mod better than a GTO and an STi will make better power >$1500 for mods. You're an idiot.
WolfPackM98c 2 years ago
why do you even own a GTO? you have absolutely nothing good to say about them. im actually doubting that that GTO is even yours. yea you may have launch problems because you cant drive worth shit. i doubt a car that goes 0-60, stock, in 4.6-8 secs. has problems fucktard. haha so let me get this straight, you are saying "adding more power doesnt help u launch better". so basically more hores wont help your 0-60 time? ha man you should just quit talking right now. on the contrary, youre the moron.
senorbeast09 2 years ago
Man, you're a fucking joke. Seriously, reading comprehension is not your strong suit.
First of all moron, the GTO has WELL-KNOWN launch issues. In fact, EVERY heavy car with alot of power, RWD, IRS AND small rear tires have launch problems. Being a good driver, and throwing more horse power don't do SHIT to help traction issues. The GTO fenders would need to be modified to fit anything larger than a 275. You're the moron here.
WolfPackM98c 2 years ago
you just say they have launch problems but yet to bring any proof to the table. my car EASILY will do 0-60 in 4.2 secs on STREET TIRES. im not seeing ANY problems right there. the thing has the same tranny as the vipers and i have a monster level 3 clutch installed thats capable of launching a 4000 pound car with ~700 horses. youre full of bullshit. haha their fenders? so because the tire is wider means that automatically its longer and taller? hahahaha holy shit thats funny.
senorbeast09 2 years ago
your GTO will not do 0-60 in 4.2 seconds on street tires. i have driven dozens upon dozens of modded GTOs. stock STi or Evo will destroy a GTO out of the hole. if you had some stickys it might be a different story but on the stock street tires, you wouldnt stand a chance.
zeroflat24 2 years ago
well you obviously assumed i had stock tires and now youre a dumbass. congrats
senorbeast09 2 years ago
"my car EASILY will do 0-60 in 4.2 secs on STREET TIRES"
zeroflat24 2 years ago
my street tires are not stock tires, dumbass. i have bridgestone eagle F1s. on. get them warmed up and sticky and i could easily do 4 secs flat. to make it more simple, my best 1/4 mile time is 11.7 with 10 inch eagle f1 tires on.
senorbeast09 2 years ago