Most rifles are marked with the caliber. Even old rifles like the South American contract mausers are marked on the barrel close to the receiver. Example: Argentine Mauser has 7.65 x 53 marked on the barrel close to the receiver so it is not confused with a 8 mm mauser.
One of the weirdest things indicating a conspiracy of some kind is a rifle "bag" that was sent to Oswald, prior to the assassination, but it didn't get to him because it had an incorrect address on it. So, it was "stuck" at the post office until later, when a postal worker noticed it was addressed to Lee Oswald (a now famous name) and told the authorities. WTF was THAT about??....anybody know more on this "bag"???
Just to say it...this is CLEAR evidence of COVERUP - think about it. Here (at the start of the video) is a huddle of cops examining the rifle and they report to the news media that it is a Mauser rifle. Then 1.5 days LATER, they CHANGE it..??..smells like COVERUP to me!! Besides that, any shooter behind those boxes is just gonna drop the rifle & walk out of that spot, then out of the building, NOT carrying a rifle! What's he gonna do THAT for? Hiding it isn't gonna keep it from being found.
@protectanus Mausers aren't always caliber marked. The only things my Mauser says is where it was made, the year it was made, and the serial number. It doesn't say 6.5x55 Swedish on it anywhere
No. This is a common misconception about the JFK incident. A rifle was found stashed behind some boxes in the Texas School Book Suppository back on the opposite corner from the sniper's nest. The misconception arises because when the rifle was brought out one of the many gay cops in the DPD said "Hey Bob, what's that you got for me in your TROUSERS?" and it was picked up on a nearby microphone. Ironically, the actual rifle was actually a MAN-LICKER Carcano.
@LiquorWreckedEmGood - Nice comic relief, thanks! Funny how a whole group of cops are huddled around the rifle out in the street, all looking (I'm sure) VERY closely at it...then, they report it to be a Mauser....then, they "correct themselves" two days later...?? Yeah, sure.
@draoi99 - Just WHICH "Oswald's Rifle" are you talking about? There was the Mauser found on the sixth floor and then there is "Oswald's Rifle" that shows up later. Besides that, I know that things made in Mexico say "Hecho en Mexico"...they don't say "Made in Mexico"....so a rifle made in Italy would say it in Italian, not in English.
The Carcanno in the Oswald backyard photo and the Carcanno recovered from the TSBD are not the same (the strap is different)
...therefore if there really was an Oswald partial palm print on the Carcanno from the TSBD it MUST have been put on there by pressing the rifle against Oswald's palm very soon after Oswald was killed.
If the recovered rifle really was Oswald's do you not think that it would have multiple prints on scope, trigger guard, magazine, barrel, foregrip etc ??
@funkmasterjee - Why would the shooter hide the rifle anyway?....and NOT hide the spent casings on the floor?....they KNOW the rifle is gonna be found if they "hide" it, right? Smarter to just lay it down in the hidden "perch" (or behind a box there) and then walk out of that area WITHOUT a rifle, so if someone sees them, they could just act "normal" and ask "What happened?", rather than having this rifle in their hand....doesn't make sense to "hide" it.
The description of three cartridge cases found neatly lined up at the 6th floor window is bizarre. If they had been genuinely fired in quick succession at a high profile target, the shooter would need to get out of there rapidly afterwards so they certainly would not be neatly lined up. Someone certainly fired shots from that window (there are witnesses) but they used a different rifle and the cartridges were planted just prior to firing the shots
Wietzman was a gun expert and owned a gunstore. They all had opportunity to examine it closely - so it's extremely unlikely Wietzman made a misidentification.
Obviously one of the sniper team on the 6th floor hadn't been very smart -- OR there was a communication error and two guys each thought it was their task to plant the rifle in situ therefore two rifles recovered
@funkmasterjee - There were TWO rifles, obviously. The Rowlands were eyewitnesses to TWO men on the 6th floor (my guess is the other man was Mac Wallace). Both Wietzman & Roger Craig ID'd one rifle as a 7.65 Mauser & the DPD OFFICIALLY told the press it was this Mauser. Then, the DPD later said it was an "error" & ID'd it as the Carcano. There was no mistake...by that time the FBI (Hoover) was pointing it all to Oswald from info fed from the CIA (& George H.W. Bush).
@Tomaji69 I think two rifles WERE recovered. But if Oswald was to be the patsy why leave the mauser? ...unless the guy with the mauser panicked at the prospect of leaving the TSBD while carrying the mauser and left it ? I'm not saying I have all the answers, I'm just sharing my thoughts.
I think that any shooter/s involved would probably have to be 'eliminated' very soon after. That's one area to investigate. Mob/CIA hitmen that died mysteriously 1963-1964
@funkmasterjee - Good question. Maybe the guy with the Mauser didn't have to take it with him because the team was gonna take care of the "story" anyway....? Which they DID, obviously. The Mauser is identified by THREE cops, then that news is told to the world (the press) and then the "official story" is CHANGED to say it was ONLY the Carcano, rather than there were TWO rifles....?? Perhaps it was ONLY a Mauser up there and the rifles were swapped out...?
@Tomaji69 IF Oswald had no involvment how did the DPD recover the MC rifle with Oswald's print on it very soon after the assassination that afternoon. If the rifle was planted how would anyone get the rifle from Oswald's home without Marina noticing ?
@funkmasterjee - Oswald DID have involvement. He was an undercover agent, so he was carrying out his (undercover) role to the letter, expecting to be told in the break room that he was effectively a hero because these guys were arrested upstairs for attempting to shoot at the President. Then, his heart SANK and he went into panic, realizing he was duped all along as the patsy, or that something went terribly wrong, so he fled.
@migo53333 - Yep, and Oswald knew instinctively that THIS undercover OP had a real bad smell to it. He got nervous and sent a telegram to the ONI asking what they knew about all this...then the ONI called Hoover's office and THAT's when Hoover sent the interstation teletype to FBI offices warning of possible attempt to kill JFK 11/21 or 11/22. He was nervous enough to leave his wedding ring and some cash behind for Marina, just in case he wasn't coming home for awhile.
There is no way that Weitzman would have erroneously ID'ed that rifle. Saying it was a Mauser erroneously would be one thing, but to say it was of 7.65 caliber... you HAD to see it. That company made so many rifles there would be no way to ID it as 7.65 unless you looked and read it from the barrel ... just as Roger Craig said they did. How can anyone doubt that this was a shame!?
There is no way that Weitzman would have erroneously ID'ed that rifle. Saying it was a Mauser erroneously would be one thing, but to say it was of 7.65 caliber... you HAD to see it. That company made so many rifles there would be no way to ID it as 7.65 unless you looked and read it from the barrel ... just as Roger Craig said they did. How can anyone doubt that this was a shame!?
no, this is all a mistake. the police officer did NOT say "it looks like a mauser". what he said was "what is that you've got in your trausers bob". GAY. this is the whole thing. the weapon was a MANLICKER carcano. he was shot from the texas schoolbook SUPPOSITORY. think GAY and you're halfway home to finding the real culprit. btw, where were elton john and freddie mercury that day?
Wondering if the Mauser was tested for ballistics. Roy Truly the superintendant, also brought a rifle to the TSBD. Not saying he had anything to do with murder of course. I understand he was going hunting that weekend and brough it to work to "show it off".
Supposedly there was also a British made 302 in the building. Strange how all those rifles were near or in the building that day. ALL OF THEM SHOULD HAVE BEEN TESTED FOR BALLISTICS.
LBJ and Hoover already gave up the conspiracy that they were involved in, on an audio tape. So, the rifle was correctly IDed as the Mauser.
The DPD cop that was murdered minutes later - JD Tippit - was part of the conspiracy. He looked like Kennedy and was nicknamed Jack & Kennedy. The JFK death photos you have seen are Tippit.
@ProtectAnus So Tippit was shot in the upper back, throat and side of the head to tie in with the imagined ballistics of firing from the TSBD ? ....and all while Tippit just stood there ?
@funkmasterjee Tippit was shot with a 38 Auto, not a revolver. That eliminates Oswald. Oswald in fact had no guns. What is important is why did the conspirators kill Tippit.
Tippit's DPD friends nicknamed him Jack & Kennedy - for the obvious reason. What if you had a body that looks like Kennedy, create the shots from behind on it, to match the altered film and story? I saw the proof. The key is their haircut - the sideburns.
@ProtectAnus Ohh please Mr. Anus!!!!!! when people start making up what you r saying, you make the rest of us who r trying to legitimately figure this out look like knuckleheads....
@migo53333 Ohh please Mr. Mingo!!!!! when you see the video "The 38 Auto Shells", you will understand like the rest of us that Oswald never shot anyone. It was all fictitious evidence. And remember that jacobji5 said that 3 cops in broad daylight cannot make the rifle ID mistake. It was a Mauser 7.65 they found. It was stamped for it's particular caliber, as are all rifles.
All this proves is what a bungling bunch of idiots the Dallas police were at the time. That was made plainly obvious not only by this pitiful mis-identification of the murder weapon, but by their unbelievably buffoonish handling of Oswald--I mean parading him around like a show pony at a petting zoo! What a bunch of unprofessional hayseed's. I'm only shocked the FBI didn't just step in and take over after the fist day of this Keystone Cop episode.
The fact that news shows were reporting a Mauser means nothing. All it proves is that even back then, in "the golden age" of TV news, bad information could get passed along and not get corrected. Watch "3 Shots that Changed America' and you will see newsmen referring to the assassin as Lee HAROLD Oswald as late as the next day. I guess Lee's middle name must have been Harold, not Harvey. I mean they said it on the news and everything. I mean the TV couldn't be wrong!
@OswaldActedAlone well think of it this way, all these cops and secret service handling the weapon you would think someone would notice that it was not a Mauser, and especially in Texas they don't know the difference between a Mauser and an Italian rifle? Also Mauser is stamped on the rifle, some strange stuff to say the least!
@OswaldActedAlone The make and calibre were stamped on the barrel. It was the DPD that gave the info 'Mauser' to the media. The media did not mishear it or make it up.
The 1891 carbine Argentine 7.65 Mauser does look a helluva lot like a Carcano. They both have an exposed box magazine, a bent bolt handle, similar looking forstock, similar looking sights, and even a similar looking rearstock area. Possibly both had the same bavarian walnut used while in production. Both also would need a side mounted scope due to the bolt handle and saftey interference. Any second shooter theory is poppycock.
@shaunpisk Two DPD officers said '7.65 Mauser' was stamped on the barrel. Any Mauser and Carcano similarities are therefore rendered irrelevant. Roger Craig maintained that to his death (despite intimidation). His cause of death was put down as 'suicide' despite the fact that he died from a shot to the chest from a rifle - which is almost impossible to do as a suicide
@funkmasterjee Horse crap! Both of these rifles with an inexperienced assessor would assume they are close to being the same if not the same. Please review what the 7.65 Arg. Mauser carbine looks like compared to a similar Carcano. Back to the comment of suicide by rifle in the chest-Do you want me to find pictures of rifles hanging on somone's big toe after they shot themselves in the chest with a rifle? 7.65 and 6.5 look a lot alike too.
@shaunpisk ' inexperienced assessor' ? Weitzman was a gun store owner and had been handling all kinds of rifles for over 20 years. He and two other cops positively identified it as 7.65 calibre in sworn affidavits
@funkmasterjee I still don't beleive the conspiracy. 6.5 or 7.65, it doesn't really matter. At that time, the 7.65 arg was the more common rifle as it was a new world retrevial. Taking an gun store owner's statement many times isn't the best either. Try having a gun store owner try to sell you a .223 rem SAMMI spec AR instead of a 5.56 (I had that happen and this guy was an "authority"). Sworn officer statement? Bah, I hold that as a grain of confusing salt.
@funkmasterjee All center fire guns and all center fire ammo is stamped with their particular cal or mm. Rifles have the stamp on the rear of the barrel. Bullets are stamped on the bottom. This is to match guns and bullets properly, to not cause yourself injury or death. This stamping was before year 1900 – in military’s worldwide.
3 cops in broad daylight can not mis-ID the rifle. It was a 7.65 Mauser as they said, not an Italian MC 6.5. All MC’s are also stamped MADE ITALY.
@funkmasterjee I will say though that the 7.65 Argentine Mauser would have been a better sniper rifle then the Carcano. The specs were much closer, the round was more accurate (I've shot a sub 1/2 MOA Arg in my lifetime), and the trigger was far superior to the Carcano's although the design teams were virtually the same. Sadly, the production teams were not.
For the exact details watch this video starting at 29.00:
watch?v=9gBxMJFQd04&feature=related
where a DP officer is interviewed with footage showing finding the rifle - a 7.65 mauser there is also ANOTHER rifle seen in this video (at 31:40)! Unreal! They saw the "7.65 stamped right on the barrel" (at 31.04). He also says the shells were from an 6.5 italian carbine - so the 2 do not relate at all. I had never heard/seen this video till tonite and i was shocked at this new revelation.
DID YOU ID ALL PEOPLE ATTENDING DEALEY PLAZA ? 45 SNIPERS ? RADIO MANS ? UMBRELLA DART ? ALL BUILDINGS SURROUNDING THE PLAZA ? WHY ABC, CNN, CBS TV STATIONS ARE NOT
FILMING THE SCENE ? WHY ONLY ZAPRUDER ? WHY DALLAS TV CHANNEL
WAS NOT FILMING THE MOTORCADE ? WHY ALTGEN OFFICIAL PHOTOS ?
@piacentini Elm street was essentially at the end of the parade through Dallas. A LOT of cameras covered the motorcade along Houston St. which is where most of the public were
@grettoz THE WOUND IN JFK HEAD,WAS DONE BY A MASUER POINTED ARROW BULLET,not a Carcano
rounded bullet head, that was founded intact in Parkland Hospital in a examining couch ,and this bullet was officially taken as a proof of the real shot by Warren Comission. Warren and his commision all US traitors
Energy did not pas thru this bullet,cos it was intact, remember E = Mass x square of Speed ? well........
I had a good friend that was a customer at Ray's Sporting Goods which sold more guns than any store in Dallas at the time and knew Constable Wietzman who he talked guns with when there. 1 year after the assassination he told me there was no way that Wietzman would have mistaken a mauser for a carcano. Deputy Craig was recognized as rookie of the year 5 years earlier for arresting a man on the 10 most wanted list having had seen his face on a poster. He was a natural at recollecting faces...
Please check the site wowzer ! a mauser ? assassanation agnostic. Look at the two guns . Then look at the orig. black and white picture. Look at the trigger guard. Then look at the Carcano. Not even close. The rifle's look close but the trigger guard gives them away. Go back to the picture. The bolt is back. The bolt is on the left side. I am left handed shoot left handed. I have guns with the bolt on the left. That gun he is holding was fired by a left handed person.
they state the rifle as 7.65. that's not a rifle but a pistol calibre. the german army rifle kar98 or karabiner had cal 7.92x57 mm . so much for good information. just saying.
I am a pretty good reader of people and can tell when someone is not being truthful or being forced not tell the truth. Listen to Cronkite very carefully as he corrects himself of the earlier reporting of the Mauser. He almost sounds like he is being coerced into recounting his earlier reporting of the Mauser.
The Carcano rifle was planted after the fact. There was a picture of Oswald with a Carcano rifle. There was a receipt of Oswald's other name called Hidel, says Hoover. How convenient. Why would Oswald put a phony name on a receipt, but with his real address at that time on it? And why not just buy a rifle with phony ID in Dallas? All of this was planted evidence to help frame the already dead Oswald.
The unelected and vote stealers are always in charge of governments. They control the elections.
cont. ... There is another rifle leaning against the boxes between 3:30 to 3:40 but is lacking a telescope or maybe it has but is not visible. At what moment did they switched the rifles and start showing to the public. Craig and others were very much positive about being a MAUSER 7.65.
@Verdelufe The only thing you are missing is seeing this video.
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Swipe copy paste this video reference into the youtube Search box above. They say it was just Oswald from the 6th floor of the TSBD building. So why is there an assassin shooting from the 3rd floor window of the Dal-Tex building while his spotter stands by the window? See the spotter and the assassins rifle barrel sticking out and aiming at the correct angle to the limo.
@jacobji5 Believe me I DID NOT MISS ANYTHING, I know the place was surrounded by snipers but the Altgeld photos people are claiming that was Connoly wounds, It is very hard to say if the tip of the rifle is a shadow from something else. There might be a guy stand next to him on our left and another guy below him for sure sitting on the fire stairs looking up ? or wearing a cap?. I do not see a spotter in any window. Why does he needs a spotter. He just shoots and hide fast. Maybe no shots.
Now compare the 2 rifles German Mauser 7.65 & Italian Carcano 6.5 they are very similar but the Metal Plate that protects the trigger has different designs, take a look at clips "JFK assassination confirmation of the Oswald rifle" " The Depository revisited" " The Mauser in the TSBD" By looking carefully you can see that the Italian Carcano 6.5 was the one that was found and not the Mauser
like Craig is claiming. PLEASE POST IT AND TELL ME WHERE I DID WRONG
All imported 6.5mm Carcano rifles during that time period have "MADE ITALY" stamped on the wood stock; easily noticed. So, it does not matter at all how similar the 2 rifles may appear next to each other. Even a pet goldfish could ID the Italian Carcano, first time every time. That is proof why the original ID was correct about the 7.65 Mauser.
@jacobji5 I THINK UNTIL I STINK !!! That's all I do analysing piece by piece. What really bothers me is that Craig, Weistzmam & Fritz confirmed first the Mauser, all news spread the word and then they changed to Carcano. When they first found the rifle on the clip The Depository Revisited #2 Alyea & clip " The mauser in the TSBD to compare the 2, you can see the metal plate around the trigger " IS A CARCANO' they first found. Original ID was NOT correct ! Compare the plates on boths rifles.
@jacobji5 The one who seems to be on drugs is you, WHAT ATTITUDE !!! Are you going to answer YES or No to my question ??? You were the first one who asked me the question and I answer appropriately MORON !!!
@Verdelufe As I stated. The Carcanos imported during that time have "MADE ITALY" stamped on their stock. Made Italy is not Made Germany Mauser. Can you reason that out? Furthermore, the rifle they showed on a film does not match the rifle the CIA planted with their story about Oswald buying it through the mail. The video rifle has the straps in a different location.
@jacobji5 I understand has stamped "MADE IN ITALY" no problem so far, but the rifle they found has the strap on the side AGREE? why a manufacturer will change the location on the rifle like on the bottom in some of them. Oswald backyard picture is very hard to tell if is from the side or from the bottom the strap. Would you be kind to tell where can I have a VISUAL PROOF the Oswald
rifle strap is from the bottom. No more he said she said has to be CLEAR IMAGE.
This guy, Gil Jesus, is a former police officer. See the Kline's rifle add in the video. Carcano's came with different sling mounts. Manufacturers decision. We agree/disagree with any decisions of all gun manufacturers about what they do, but so what?
Furthermore, the story of Oswald carrying a rifle inside in a paper sack was made up by Hoover. Go to Wallmart. Look at curtain rod packages. Can you fit a Carcano rifle into any? NO!
" TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN " Very conflicting statements from 2 people Roger Craig and Seymor Weitzmam. Craig was witness right when they found the rifle and Weitzmam was a weapon expert. Craig and Captain Fritz read 8" from the rifle Mauser 7.65 and Weitzmam confirmed it. Weitzmam claimed he was wrong later. Craig said he saw LHO coming down from the grassy knoll when LHO was at the 2nd fl. buying Coke( He sounds very convincing but this bothers me). Now compare the 2 rifles .......cont.
@Verdelufe Lets get your facts a little straighter. LHO was buying the coke DURING the shooting. Craig spotting man looking like LHO was in the aftermath of it. You say Craig sounding 'very convincing' bothers you (lol!). Your very confused and plentiful postings bothers me!
@freddycupples You are the real jerk LOL without knowing what hell is going, is like you get in to a party and do not know whose birthday is. You just jump into the street car without knowing where you going to. Make comments without reading,analysing. Officer Baker and TSBD manager Truly questioned LHO drinking Coke at lunch room 1:30 to 2:00 min. after the shooting. Craig did not see a man looking like LHO, he saw him jumping into Payne's car. Do your homework or you do not have brain.LOW-IQ
This is a GREAT CLIP as it shows what a N.W.O hack the CRONK really was. The same calm delivery of the rifle change as the Mauser report. Nothing to see here folks just move along. Instead of M.S.M for the media it should be M.M.C. for MASS MIND CONTROL. Icke says it best when he hears, or reads a news report from the M.M,C's he asks himself what are they trying to get me to do, or what do they want me to believe, and for what reason. Wake up people before we are left holding the bag.
The shell casings found by the window were 6.5 caliber, and did not match the rifle that was found. Due to the chain of custody, they had to change the type of rifle found. All the evidence was planted. Oswald was a patsy.
Both rifles were found because there were 2 shooters on the 6th floor. Google the video "JFK-Case For Conspiracy I" It gets serious at 20 minutes into it.
Any American might refer to a military bolt action rifle as a "Mauser." HOWEVER, they would not identify it as a "7.65 Mauser" That reference is not generic but VERY SPECIFIC. It means the rifle was either Belgian or from ARGENTINA. A German made 7.65 Mauser for the Argentine military, model 91 or model 09. Either way a phenomenal tack driver. Just the sort of thing an ARGENTINE shooter would bring in and use, not understanding the patsy had already been set up to use an Italian rifle.
Once J.Edgar Hoover got involved everything changed. He had the power to change evidence or have his people do it.
It was an Mauser, because why would it be reported has one if it was not. My grandfather got a mauser from the battlefield in WW2 fighting the Germans. They are very specially made, different from the Oswalds rifle. They each from my research have the Mauser stamp on the the gun barrel. The rifle of my of grandfathers has the stamp on it. It was a Mauser.
Does anyone know when the official id time change from the Mauser to the Carcano took place? Who told DPD it was the MC and not the Mauser and what time was this?
@envaneo the Mauser was found on the fifth floor, was found before the Caracano. It's anyone's guess when the official time changed for the 'Oswald rifle" . Obviously, when they arrested Oswald, the Mauser became moot and was quickly dismissed so they can tie Oswald in as the lone shooter.
@redemptous a Mouser is a cat. the funny thing about the Mauser though is that they filmed its recovery and photographed it with lots of witnesses and it was a mannlicher. wietzman said it "appeared" be a mauser. meaning he didn't know. and craig didn't start telling the "mauser was stamped on it" stories until long after the warren commission and originally he claimed it was found on the roof.
Here some more early premature reports for CTers to fawn over:
JFK standing when shot, Secret Service agent killed in Dealey Plaza, JFK brought to Parkland via ambulance (Dan Rather) or BUS! (Eddie Barker -KRLD-TV), LBJ shot, LBJ heart attack (both WFAA -radio), JFK's "lips moving at a normal rate of speed" on arrival at Parkland (attributed to Senator Yarborough), Tippet slain in shootout in theatre...
OH, I'm sorry...these don't help any so-called "theory".
hey jacka$s-idiot-moron, explain the interviews with sheriff Roger Craig describing the finding of the MAUSER, and the affadavit by sheriff Wietzman (who worked in a gun store) describing the found rifle as a MAUSER. This affadavit was included in the Warren commisions 27 volumes.
Both Boone & Weitman readily admitted in filmed interviews that they were referring to the "Mauser-bolt action"
If that was sinister, how much did they get for casually going along w/ the capitol offense of treason? 2 days & 3 nights in Disneyland?
What TRUMPS anything you believe is the WFAA-TV broadcast just after 2:30 pm on 11/22 when they showed the Alyea film - taken with the media SEALED in TSBD - NO ONE has pointed out it being any but a Mannlicher-Carcano!
@pajasa62 Threats are a fine way to get people to change their stories. Why should they take it on the chin when all their superiors (and Hoover) are lying their asses off?
@freddycupples Analysing piece by piece, what really bothers me is that Craig, Weistzmam & Fritz confirmed first the Mauser, all news spread the word and then they changed to Carcano. When they first found the rifle on the clip The Depository Revisited #2 Alyea & clip " The mauser in the TSBD to compare the 2, you can see the metal plate around the trigger " IS A CARCANO' they first found. Original ID was NOT correct ! Compare the plates on boths rifles. Please help on this one Post it ! Thank!
the assassins rifle was definetly a 7.65 mauser! but also a third rifle was also discovered on the roof of the depository filmed by dallas cinema associates. this third rifle that was discovered did not have a microscopic sight. there were also reports that in addition a 302. british rifle was found. so the bigger question is where are all these rifles? the oswald rifle is definetly a huge scam.
Craig said both he and Weitzman had the rifle in front of their faces and saw "Mauser 7.65" stamped on the barrel. Is it possible this was a deliberate police misinformation tactic to try to get someone to expose the fact they knew the make of the real gun? After Oswald was killed they may have just stayed quiet in order not to reveal police tactics.
Go to the video titled, Texas School Book Depository Employees - Part 3
At the 2:56 minute mark, you will see & hear James Jarman, Jr... He is the man who assassinated President Kennedy.
The two previous guys shown, Norman & Williams were co-conspirators. Along with Charles Douglas Givens (Not shown)...
Do an "MSN" search with the key words, James Jarman, Jr., Assassin, for the entire story... The 8th site listed, "The John F" is the most comprehensive...
All this clip is is another example of the media using wrong infromation that weekend. Heck, when Oswald was shot, some of the newsmen were still calling him "Lee Harold Oswald". Look up other clips here on YouTube and you'll see and hear more wrong information that news reporters were using that weekend; not for a conspiracy but b/c so much information was coming in, they didn't have time to filter it out to see if it was true or not. For example: the SS agent that was killed supposedly.
Indeed, early reports were saying things like "V.P. Johnson was also hit" and once the reports hit the wires, everyone starts repeating it as fact. Bottom line: the first guy who saw the gun thought it looked like a Mauser (which, it does) and eager reporters spread the erroneous identification.
Exactly. There was a lot of misinformation going around like the Mauser gun, Johnson being shot, a SS agent being killed, a woman and man shooting off the Triple Overpass, etc. This is just another example. But people like GJJude will make you believe it's all a big grandious conspiracy and the media was in on the coverup. But then hes the one who wont let people comment on his page and debate the FACTS instead of just HALFASSED THEORIES.
Deputy Sheriff Roger Craig said that SSeymour Weitzman, a
deputy constable was the person who identified the weapon on retrieval. These people were trained, the actual peron to identify it, the constable, wroked in sporting goods and was familiar with every type of weapon foreign and domestic. You tell me what theory is half assed ding dong
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Exactly - Roger Craig "said" that Weitzman said. There is the key word - "said". You have no proof whatsoever of it being a Mauser. Just another CT that spawned off what someone "said". That's how rumors get started. And all these people "mysteriously" dying - well, if they were "mysteriously" dying, then 10-15 years after 11/22/63 when the ppl had plenty of chance to talk to others, then that isn't "mysterious" afterall. Get your fucking facts straight first nobodymm before you talk.
Weitzman signed an affadavit the next day- calling it a mauser 7.65. The CIA also reported a mauser the second day and said reports of a carcano were false. Craig was shot with a rifle in the chest. They called it a suicide. He owned two pistols. If I'm a conspiracy nut, then you are the craziest COINCIDENCE nut I've ever seen
@jimsterJ Given the details in the autopsy report, to believe that Craig was silenced, one has to believe that some assassin managed to sneak into his house while Craig's father was in the back yard and shoot Craig with a .22 caliber (or similar) rifle. This assassin somehow chose to shoot Craig in the chest, and even managed to put the muzzle of the gun in contact with Craig's chest, all the while leaving no evidence of a struggle.
@jimsterJ Analysing piece by piece, what really bothers me is that Craig, Weistzmam & Fritz confirmed first the Mauser, all news spread the word and then they changed to Carcano. When they first found the rifle on the clip The Depository Revisited #2 Alyea & clip " The mauser in the TSBD to compare the 2, you can see the metal plate around the trigger " IS A CARCANO' they first found. Original ID was NOT correct ! Compare the plates on boths rifles. Please help on this one Post it ! Thanks.
Fact is -- By controlling the media & the 'investigation', the assassination conspirators got away with killing JFK. Yet their very heavy-handed cover-up, witness intimidation, evidence-tampering, falsification & obstruction of justice were so blatant that 40 yrs later most people conclude LBJ, Hoover, the FBI, CIA, Dallas Police & Secret Service were deeply implicated in JFKs murder. Too many facts do NOT support the official lone nut assassin theory. Since then, Gov lies are bigger & bolder.
I wonder why the CIA would bother posting comments on JFK videos here on youtube.Makes you think maybe they have some big important coverup that they must maintain no matter what the cost.
"the bigger the lie ,the more people will believe it!!"
an ADOLPH HITLER so I've heard..
Exactly..This is why so many people believe in a conspiracy, because it has been repeated over and over..
So let me get this straight.. This incredable conspiracy, maybe the greatest ever, but they place a rifle in the TSBD that is not Oswald's while trying to frame Oswald? Makes sense to me.
Alot of mistakss were made on 11/22 and one of them was saying it was a Mauser.
No see they found the Mauser rifle then they realized that Oswald owned a 6.5mm carbine they changed it so they could say Oswlad's rifle was found on the 6th floor.There is a sworn affidavit on the city of dallas website signed by a dallas policeman that it was a MAUSER.
lol.. so this huge conspiract that was so big, and good, that they hid a conspiracy for 45 years didn't have the rifle thing all set before hand..are you freaking kidding me..you nuts just can't think.
the conspiracy was so huge that 45 years later disinformation agents post on youtube 24-7 still trying to convince people that up is down. But smart people dont believe all the WC lies so they will have to kill us all.
the mean another nut who thinks up is down but accuses other of it.
Ok you are right..this huge conspiracy for some reason waited until JFK was out in public with cameras around and then killed him, instead of doing it with no witnsses.
They tried to make it lok like one shooter ( Oswald ) but instead had someone else in the TSBD do it even though nobody saw anyone else in the bld.
Yep, and all those Dealey Plaza witnesses heard a shot come from behind the knoll. If you watch film after the shooting, notice how they all run over to the fence, then into the parking lot.
Your a good man Art, but are you telling me that that 'megical' single bullet the dream of Senator Arlen Specter, did all those miraculous things (including jumping around in mid air in order to hit the points it was suppose to) - and CAME OUT CLEAN, to lay on a stretcher just to be found? What a BULLET!
Well, if CE399 *didn't* do all the things it was supposed to have done, how do you account for the bullet's existence at all? Did it only hit Connally? (his wounds account for all of the boney injuries) Did it go through JFK's neck and somehow manage to miss Connally? Or, more ridiculously, was it planted by conspirators, who would have wanted there to be LESS evidence to find, not more?
You 'ASSUME' much. Bottom line? You need to study more. A credible witness confirmed it was a Mauser, a policeman and he later stuck to his eyewitness account in interviews - he was a well decorated officer prior to nov. 22. The Bullet on the stretcher - the magic one that does all sorts of wonderful things - was in pristine conditon for having done so much bone damage - HOW DID THAT HAPPEN? Seems to me the ridiculousness is found elsewhere. As far as conspirators - only a assumption there.
I need to study more? Between the two of us, who has read all 26 volumes of the Warren Commission? NOBODY confirmed it was a Mauser. Weitzman said it looked like a Mauser "in a glance" and later reported it (along with erroneous info aboout the scope) to the FBI. His WC testimony makes it clear that this was just a "first glance" identification and that he didn't look at it that closely. Far from confirming it, all he says is he "thought it was one"(a Mauser) Do more research yourself.
It was a military bullet, one designed to kill several people with the same bullet, not some bullet you buy at Walmart and go out and shoot tin cans and phonebooks with it.
Really? So it also goes through bone, muscle, flesh, bounces around, changes direction, does all sorts of magic tricks - and comes out in almost pristine condition? Sorry, but I served the the military and have seen the condition of bullets and it does not add up. Please offer another explanation - cause that dog don't hunt here.
It didn't turn in midair. They figured that JBC was sitting lower and turned when he was hit with the same bullet that tumbled when it came out of Kennedy's neck.
@northmeister Oliver stone is a hack! All he did is cloud our minds with his fiction. The bullet did not turn, pause or do any other crap. It went thru Jfk's neck, then into the gov. a proven fact.
arther1045, I'm sorry to hear that you are so against finding the truth about what happenned to on that day. Ridiculing others and trying to demonize them by calling them conspirators (as if that's really effective) for trying to find out the truth. What a genius.
German 98K's were 8x57mm standard though they were also chambered in 7x57mm. The 1909 Modelo Argentio (Argentinian Mauser) was originally chambered in 7.65x57mm. The M1903 Springfield was a Mauser chambered in .30-06/7.62x63mm. So not all Mauser's were chambered in just 8mm.
the modelo 1909 was not chambered in 7.65x57 it was in 7.65x53 the Turkish mauser mod 1903 was in the same calibre. i never said that all mausers were chambered in 8mm
Police claimed the shells came from an automatic. The handgun allegedly taken from Oswald at the time of his arrest was a revolver. Ammunition for a revolver is not interchangeable with ammunition for an automatic, therefore it was not the murder weapon. The shells are clearly marked- ".38 spl" or ".38 auto". There is also a descrepancy as to the number of shots fired. The police supposedly found five shells yet only four were recovered from Tippit. They had NO case. It's as simple as that.
" I didn't shoot anybody sir" The man spoke the truth. The paraffin test of his cheek was negative. The test for the hands were positive. However, parrafin tests for nitrate traces, which can be found in a number of things , such as the boxes Oswald was handling. I guess he had magic soap to wash his face without using his hands, like the magic bullets he had. Oswald's pistol was not a match to the one that was used to kill Tippit. The ammunition was not the same. No case!
Four expended cartridge cases were found near the site of the Tippit killing. Two of these cartridge cases were Remington-Peters . 38 Specials and two were Western . 38 Specials. Based on a comparison with test cartridge cases fired in the V510210 revolver, the four cartridge cases were identified as having been fired in the V510210 revolver.
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Witnesses at the scene saw a man fitting Oswald's description and he was indentified in a line up. His rifle was used in the shooting and the barrel grooves were identified on the bullet recovered from Parkland hospital and on bullet fragments found in the Presidents limo. The trajectory of both shots that hit Kennedy originated in from the 6th floor window of the Depository.
Oswald was the only TSBD employee who fled the scene and witnesses identified him at the scene of Tippets shooting.
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BIG DEAL!
Other accidental misinformation of 11/22: JFK standing in the car when shot, 6 or 7 others shots (witnesses laying on ground). Secret Service agent killed in Dealey Plaza, LBJ shot, LBJ heart attack, JFK taken to hospital by ambulance or (get this) a bus!, JFK's lips moving at Parkland (Sen. Yarborough), Tippet killed in theatre, Oswald on arrest saying "I killed a president, a cop, if I could only get a few more"
In 45 years of the Alyea film NO ONE excludes it from being a M/C.
When they kill the President, there is a change of government and that is a coup d'etat and anybody involved will never be tried because the coup d'etat worked. "Anybody that doesn't realize that isn't using his head."
Oswald was the cover story to distract the public from the truth.
Dallas deputy ROger Craig said that he and another officer found the mauser and never changed his story,he was killed by the dark side.Three 6.5mm casing were found at the window,if you fired 3 rounds why eject the last round?
"Three 6.5mm casing were found at the window,if you fired 3 rounds why eject the last round?"
As if you actually HAD something by saying that!
If you are shooting rapid fire as Oswald was (and knowing you had another shot) can't you see the possibility of ejecting the round? Does shooting JFK sound like it involves a hesitating effort? And if he didn't BIG DEAL!- an empty hull would still be in the rifle, just UNEJECTED!
In 45 years of the Alyea film NO ONE points to it being a Mauser!
Most rifles are marked with the caliber. Even old rifles like the South American contract mausers are marked on the barrel close to the receiver. Example: Argentine Mauser has 7.65 x 53 marked on the barrel close to the receiver so it is not confused with a 8 mm mauser.
79thOVI 2 weeks ago
One of the weirdest things indicating a conspiracy of some kind is a rifle "bag" that was sent to Oswald, prior to the assassination, but it didn't get to him because it had an incorrect address on it. So, it was "stuck" at the post office until later, when a postal worker noticed it was addressed to Lee Oswald (a now famous name) and told the authorities. WTF was THAT about??....anybody know more on this "bag"???
Tomaji69 3 weeks ago
Just to say it...this is CLEAR evidence of COVERUP - think about it. Here (at the start of the video) is a huddle of cops examining the rifle and they report to the news media that it is a Mauser rifle. Then 1.5 days LATER, they CHANGE it..??..smells like COVERUP to me!! Besides that, any shooter behind those boxes is just gonna drop the rifle & walk out of that spot, then out of the building, NOT carrying a rifle! What's he gonna do THAT for? Hiding it isn't gonna keep it from being found.
Tomaji69 3 weeks ago
@protectanus Mausers aren't always caliber marked. The only things my Mauser says is where it was made, the year it was made, and the serial number. It doesn't say 6.5x55 Swedish on it anywhere
TripkoreCFC 3 weeks ago
No. This is a common misconception about the JFK incident. A rifle was found stashed behind some boxes in the Texas School Book Suppository back on the opposite corner from the sniper's nest. The misconception arises because when the rifle was brought out one of the many gay cops in the DPD said "Hey Bob, what's that you got for me in your TROUSERS?" and it was picked up on a nearby microphone. Ironically, the actual rifle was actually a MAN-LICKER Carcano.
LiquorWreckedEmGood 2 months ago
@LiquorWreckedEmGood - Nice comic relief, thanks! Funny how a whole group of cops are huddled around the rifle out in the street, all looking (I'm sure) VERY closely at it...then, they report it to be a Mauser....then, they "correct themselves" two days later...?? Yeah, sure.
Tomaji69 3 weeks ago
Look on Wikipedia. Oswald's rifle had "MADE IN ITALY" stamped on it.
draoi99 3 months ago
@draoi99 - Just WHICH "Oswald's Rifle" are you talking about? There was the Mauser found on the sixth floor and then there is "Oswald's Rifle" that shows up later. Besides that, I know that things made in Mexico say "Hecho en Mexico"...they don't say "Made in Mexico"....so a rifle made in Italy would say it in Italian, not in English.
Tomaji69 3 weeks ago
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43m1garand 3 months ago
I've got one of dose
itsDUNBEETLE 3 months ago
The Carcanno in the Oswald backyard photo and the Carcanno recovered from the TSBD are not the same (the strap is different)
...therefore if there really was an Oswald partial palm print on the Carcanno from the TSBD it MUST have been put on there by pressing the rifle against Oswald's palm very soon after Oswald was killed.
If the recovered rifle really was Oswald's do you not think that it would have multiple prints on scope, trigger guard, magazine, barrel, foregrip etc ??
funkmasterjee 4 months ago
The prints from the MC rifle WERE found on the afternoon of the assassination. (Not after Oswald was killed). I was wrong in that and I say so.
Having said that I am still certain a Mauser was recovered from the 6th floor of the TSBD.
There are several anomalies.
IF Oswald fired from the 'sniper's' nest, why not hide the rifle better than he did ?
If Oswald acted alone why was a second rifle found ?
If there was a conspiracy to frame Oswald, why leave two rifles ?
funkmasterjee 1 month ago
@funkmasterjee - Why would the shooter hide the rifle anyway?....and NOT hide the spent casings on the floor?....they KNOW the rifle is gonna be found if they "hide" it, right? Smarter to just lay it down in the hidden "perch" (or behind a box there) and then walk out of that area WITHOUT a rifle, so if someone sees them, they could just act "normal" and ask "What happened?", rather than having this rifle in their hand....doesn't make sense to "hide" it.
Tomaji69 3 weeks ago
The description of three cartridge cases found neatly lined up at the 6th floor window is bizarre. If they had been genuinely fired in quick succession at a high profile target, the shooter would need to get out of there rapidly afterwards so they certainly would not be neatly lined up. Someone certainly fired shots from that window (there are witnesses) but they used a different rifle and the cartridges were planted just prior to firing the shots
funkmasterjee 4 months ago
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funkmasterjee 4 months ago
Wietzman was a gun expert and owned a gunstore. They all had opportunity to examine it closely - so it's extremely unlikely Wietzman made a misidentification.
Obviously one of the sniper team on the 6th floor hadn't been very smart -- OR there was a communication error and two guys each thought it was their task to plant the rifle in situ therefore two rifles recovered
funkmasterjee 4 months ago
@funkmasterjee - There were TWO rifles, obviously. The Rowlands were eyewitnesses to TWO men on the 6th floor (my guess is the other man was Mac Wallace). Both Wietzman & Roger Craig ID'd one rifle as a 7.65 Mauser & the DPD OFFICIALLY told the press it was this Mauser. Then, the DPD later said it was an "error" & ID'd it as the Carcano. There was no mistake...by that time the FBI (Hoover) was pointing it all to Oswald from info fed from the CIA (& George H.W. Bush).
Tomaji69 1 month ago
@Tomaji69 I think two rifles WERE recovered. But if Oswald was to be the patsy why leave the mauser? ...unless the guy with the mauser panicked at the prospect of leaving the TSBD while carrying the mauser and left it ? I'm not saying I have all the answers, I'm just sharing my thoughts.
I think that any shooter/s involved would probably have to be 'eliminated' very soon after. That's one area to investigate. Mob/CIA hitmen that died mysteriously 1963-1964
funkmasterjee 1 month ago
@funkmasterjee - Good question. Maybe the guy with the Mauser didn't have to take it with him because the team was gonna take care of the "story" anyway....? Which they DID, obviously. The Mauser is identified by THREE cops, then that news is told to the world (the press) and then the "official story" is CHANGED to say it was ONLY the Carcano, rather than there were TWO rifles....?? Perhaps it was ONLY a Mauser up there and the rifles were swapped out...?
Tomaji69 1 month ago
@Tomaji69 IF Oswald had no involvment how did the DPD recover the MC rifle with Oswald's print on it very soon after the assassination that afternoon. If the rifle was planted how would anyone get the rifle from Oswald's home without Marina noticing ?
funkmasterjee 1 month ago
@funkmasterjee - Oswald DID have involvement. He was an undercover agent, so he was carrying out his (undercover) role to the letter, expecting to be told in the break room that he was effectively a hero because these guys were arrested upstairs for attempting to shoot at the President. Then, his heart SANK and he went into panic, realizing he was duped all along as the patsy, or that something went terribly wrong, so he fled.
Tomaji69 1 month ago
@Tomaji69 you nailed it, Oswald was running scared because he realized that he had been spun......explains all his actions afterwards.....
migo53333 3 weeks ago
@migo53333 - Yep, and Oswald knew instinctively that THIS undercover OP had a real bad smell to it. He got nervous and sent a telegram to the ONI asking what they knew about all this...then the ONI called Hoover's office and THAT's when Hoover sent the interstation teletype to FBI offices warning of possible attempt to kill JFK 11/21 or 11/22. He was nervous enough to leave his wedding ring and some cash behind for Marina, just in case he wasn't coming home for awhile.
Tomaji69 3 weeks ago
There is no way that Weitzman would have erroneously ID'ed that rifle. Saying it was a Mauser erroneously would be one thing, but to say it was of 7.65 caliber... you HAD to see it. That company made so many rifles there would be no way to ID it as 7.65 unless you looked and read it from the barrel ... just as Roger Craig said they did. How can anyone doubt that this was a shame!?
loubowie 6 months ago
There is no way that Weitzman would have erroneously ID'ed that rifle. Saying it was a Mauser erroneously would be one thing, but to say it was of 7.65 caliber... you HAD to see it. That company made so many rifles there would be no way to ID it as 7.65 unless you looked and read it from the barrel ... just as Roger Craig said they did. How can anyone doubt that this was a shame!?
loubowie 6 months ago
it wasn't a mauser INSTEAD of a carcano. it was a mauser AND a carcano.
LiquorWreckedEmGood 7 months ago 2
no, this is all a mistake. the police officer did NOT say "it looks like a mauser". what he said was "what is that you've got in your trausers bob". GAY. this is the whole thing. the weapon was a MANLICKER carcano. he was shot from the texas schoolbook SUPPOSITORY. think GAY and you're halfway home to finding the real culprit. btw, where were elton john and freddie mercury that day?
LiquorWreckedEmGood 8 months ago
Wondering if the Mauser was tested for ballistics. Roy Truly the superintendant, also brought a rifle to the TSBD. Not saying he had anything to do with murder of course. I understand he was going hunting that weekend and brough it to work to "show it off".
Supposedly there was also a British made 302 in the building. Strange how all those rifles were near or in the building that day. ALL OF THEM SHOULD HAVE BEEN TESTED FOR BALLISTICS.
TheAmbassador11 9 months ago 2
LBJ and Hoover already gave up the conspiracy that they were involved in, on an audio tape. So, the rifle was correctly IDed as the Mauser.
The DPD cop that was murdered minutes later - JD Tippit - was part of the conspiracy. He looked like Kennedy and was nicknamed Jack & Kennedy. The JFK death photos you have seen are Tippit.
This has been proven.
ProtectAnus 9 months ago
@ProtectAnus So Tippit was shot in the upper back, throat and side of the head to tie in with the imagined ballistics of firing from the TSBD ? ....and all while Tippit just stood there ?
funkmasterjee 1 month ago
@funkmasterjee Tippit was shot with a 38 Auto, not a revolver. That eliminates Oswald. Oswald in fact had no guns. What is important is why did the conspirators kill Tippit.
Tippit's DPD friends nicknamed him Jack & Kennedy - for the obvious reason. What if you had a body that looks like Kennedy, create the shots from behind on it, to match the altered film and story? I saw the proof. The key is their haircut - the sideburns.
ProtectAnus 1 month ago
@ProtectAnus Ohh please Mr. Anus!!!!!! when people start making up what you r saying, you make the rest of us who r trying to legitimately figure this out look like knuckleheads....
migo53333 3 weeks ago
@migo53333 Ohh please Mr. Mingo!!!!! when you see the video "The 38 Auto Shells", you will understand like the rest of us that Oswald never shot anyone. It was all fictitious evidence. And remember that jacobji5 said that 3 cops in broad daylight cannot make the rifle ID mistake. It was a Mauser 7.65 they found. It was stamped for it's particular caliber, as are all rifles.
ProtectAnus 3 weeks ago
@migo53333 you honestly think that they used tippits body to make fake photos? did you ever see tippit?? He does not look like JFK.....
migo53333 3 weeks ago
All this proves is what a bungling bunch of idiots the Dallas police were at the time. That was made plainly obvious not only by this pitiful mis-identification of the murder weapon, but by their unbelievably buffoonish handling of Oswald--I mean parading him around like a show pony at a petting zoo! What a bunch of unprofessional hayseed's. I'm only shocked the FBI didn't just step in and take over after the fist day of this Keystone Cop episode.
univibe23 9 months ago
The fact that news shows were reporting a Mauser means nothing. All it proves is that even back then, in "the golden age" of TV news, bad information could get passed along and not get corrected. Watch "3 Shots that Changed America' and you will see newsmen referring to the assassin as Lee HAROLD Oswald as late as the next day. I guess Lee's middle name must have been Harold, not Harvey. I mean they said it on the news and everything. I mean the TV couldn't be wrong!
OswaldActedAlone 10 months ago
@OswaldActedAlone well think of it this way, all these cops and secret service handling the weapon you would think someone would notice that it was not a Mauser, and especially in Texas they don't know the difference between a Mauser and an Italian rifle? Also Mauser is stamped on the rifle, some strange stuff to say the least!
JENDALL714 7 months ago
@OswaldActedAlone The make and calibre were stamped on the barrel. It was the DPD that gave the info 'Mauser' to the media. The media did not mishear it or make it up.
funkmasterjee 1 month ago
i have a 7.65 mauser that does not have a bent bolt and has a rear peep sight. anyone know anything about this??
NeedWarForPeace 10 months ago
@NeedWarForPeace maybe german ww1? i'm no expert, but straight bolt makes me think 'old', and peep sight makes me think military issue.
slicknicktheprick 5 months ago
The 1891 carbine Argentine 7.65 Mauser does look a helluva lot like a Carcano. They both have an exposed box magazine, a bent bolt handle, similar looking forstock, similar looking sights, and even a similar looking rearstock area. Possibly both had the same bavarian walnut used while in production. Both also would need a side mounted scope due to the bolt handle and saftey interference. Any second shooter theory is poppycock.
shaunpisk 10 months ago
@shaunpisk Two DPD officers said '7.65 Mauser' was stamped on the barrel. Any Mauser and Carcano similarities are therefore rendered irrelevant. Roger Craig maintained that to his death (despite intimidation). His cause of death was put down as 'suicide' despite the fact that he died from a shot to the chest from a rifle - which is almost impossible to do as a suicide
funkmasterjee 1 month ago
@funkmasterjee Horse crap! Both of these rifles with an inexperienced assessor would assume they are close to being the same if not the same. Please review what the 7.65 Arg. Mauser carbine looks like compared to a similar Carcano. Back to the comment of suicide by rifle in the chest-Do you want me to find pictures of rifles hanging on somone's big toe after they shot themselves in the chest with a rifle? 7.65 and 6.5 look a lot alike too.
shaunpisk 1 month ago
@shaunpisk ' inexperienced assessor' ? Weitzman was a gun store owner and had been handling all kinds of rifles for over 20 years. He and two other cops positively identified it as 7.65 calibre in sworn affidavits
funkmasterjee 1 month ago
@funkmasterjee I still don't beleive the conspiracy. 6.5 or 7.65, it doesn't really matter. At that time, the 7.65 arg was the more common rifle as it was a new world retrevial. Taking an gun store owner's statement many times isn't the best either. Try having a gun store owner try to sell you a .223 rem SAMMI spec AR instead of a 5.56 (I had that happen and this guy was an "authority"). Sworn officer statement? Bah, I hold that as a grain of confusing salt.
shaunpisk 1 month ago
@funkmasterjee All center fire guns and all center fire ammo is stamped with their particular cal or mm. Rifles have the stamp on the rear of the barrel. Bullets are stamped on the bottom. This is to match guns and bullets properly, to not cause yourself injury or death. This stamping was before year 1900 – in military’s worldwide.
3 cops in broad daylight can not mis-ID the rifle. It was a 7.65 Mauser as they said, not an Italian MC 6.5. All MC’s are also stamped MADE ITALY.
jacobji5 1 month ago
@funkmasterjee I will say though that the 7.65 Argentine Mauser would have been a better sniper rifle then the Carcano. The specs were much closer, the round was more accurate (I've shot a sub 1/2 MOA Arg in my lifetime), and the trigger was far superior to the Carcano's although the design teams were virtually the same. Sadly, the production teams were not.
shaunpisk 1 month ago
For the exact details watch this video starting at 29.00:
watch?v=9gBxMJFQd04&feature=related
where a DP officer is interviewed with footage showing finding the rifle - a 7.65 mauser there is also ANOTHER rifle seen in this video (at 31:40)! Unreal! They saw the "7.65 stamped right on the barrel" (at 31.04). He also says the shells were from an 6.5 italian carbine - so the 2 do not relate at all. I had never heard/seen this video till tonite and i was shocked at this new revelation.
lzambeni1 11 months ago
DID YOU ID ALL PEOPLE ATTENDING DEALEY PLAZA ? 45 SNIPERS ? RADIO MANS ? UMBRELLA DART ? ALL BUILDINGS SURROUNDING THE PLAZA ? WHY ABC, CNN, CBS TV STATIONS ARE NOT
FILMING THE SCENE ? WHY ONLY ZAPRUDER ? WHY DALLAS TV CHANNEL
WAS NOT FILMING THE MOTORCADE ? WHY ALTGEN OFFICIAL PHOTOS ?
piacentini 1 year ago
@piacentini Elm street was essentially at the end of the parade through Dallas. A LOT of cameras covered the motorcade along Houston St. which is where most of the public were
funkmasterjee 1 month ago
it wasnt a mauser...
grettoz 1 year ago
@grettoz THE WOUND IN JFK HEAD,WAS DONE BY A MASUER POINTED ARROW BULLET,not a Carcano
rounded bullet head, that was founded intact in Parkland Hospital in a examining couch ,and this bullet was officially taken as a proof of the real shot by Warren Comission. Warren and his commision all US traitors
Energy did not pas thru this bullet,cos it was intact, remember E = Mass x square of Speed ? well........
how can I explain you ?
piacentini 1 year ago
@piacentini
your 20 yrs behind the times friend, the mauser theory was shot down in flames many years ago!! it was a carcano rifle oswald owned & used...
grettoz 1 year ago
@grettoz . yeah SHOT IN FLAMES BY SOMEONE CONTROLLING THE MASS MEDIA, WE KNOW THAT .
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piacentini 1 year ago
@piacentini
you took your medication today??? you are in the minority pal, it was a carcano end of...
grettoz 1 year ago
I had a good friend that was a customer at Ray's Sporting Goods which sold more guns than any store in Dallas at the time and knew Constable Wietzman who he talked guns with when there. 1 year after the assassination he told me there was no way that Wietzman would have mistaken a mauser for a carcano. Deputy Craig was recognized as rookie of the year 5 years earlier for arresting a man on the 10 most wanted list having had seen his face on a poster. He was a natural at recollecting faces...
barflew 1 year ago 4
Please check the site wowzer ! a mauser ? assassanation agnostic. Look at the two guns . Then look at the orig. black and white picture. Look at the trigger guard. Then look at the Carcano. Not even close. The rifle's look close but the trigger guard gives them away. Go back to the picture. The bolt is back. The bolt is on the left side. I am left handed shoot left handed. I have guns with the bolt on the left. That gun he is holding was fired by a left handed person.
civilwardoc1 1 year ago
"One Rifle or Two " - Gil Jesus show the 2 Carcano, one from LHO Backyard, straps from the bottom, the other the TSBD straps from the side. THE END.
Verdelufe 1 year ago
OOOOPS! It was an Italian rifle that LHO received at a PO box!!
Wake the F up people!!!
bucknorm 1 year ago
they state the rifle as 7.65. that's not a rifle but a pistol calibre. the german army rifle kar98 or karabiner had cal 7.92x57 mm . so much for good information. just saying.
Vollhirni 1 year ago
I am a pretty good reader of people and can tell when someone is not being truthful or being forced not tell the truth. Listen to Cronkite very carefully as he corrects himself of the earlier reporting of the Mauser. He almost sounds like he is being coerced into recounting his earlier reporting of the Mauser.
JENDALL714 1 year ago
@JENDALL714 That is right. Cronkite is very uncomfortable when he 'corrects" himself.
presorted5678 1 year ago
The Carcano rifle was planted after the fact. There was a picture of Oswald with a Carcano rifle. There was a receipt of Oswald's other name called Hidel, says Hoover. How convenient. Why would Oswald put a phony name on a receipt, but with his real address at that time on it? And why not just buy a rifle with phony ID in Dallas? All of this was planted evidence to help frame the already dead Oswald.
The unelected and vote stealers are always in charge of governments. They control the elections.
10Faenor 1 year ago
cont. ....There is another rifle leaning against the boxes between 3:30 to 3:40 on clip
" The depository revisited - Alyea # 2 "
Verdelufe 1 year ago
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Verdelufe 1 year ago
cont. ... There is another rifle leaning against the boxes between 3:30 to 3:40 but is lacking a telescope or maybe it has but is not visible. At what moment did they switched the rifles and start showing to the public. Craig and others were very much positive about being a MAUSER 7.65.
Again please post it, AM I MISSING SOMETHING ?
Verdelufe 1 year ago
@Verdelufe The only thing you are missing is seeing this video.
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Swipe copy paste this video reference into the youtube Search box above. They say it was just Oswald from the 6th floor of the TSBD building. So why is there an assassin shooting from the 3rd floor window of the Dal-Tex building while his spotter stands by the window? See the spotter and the assassins rifle barrel sticking out and aiming at the correct angle to the limo.
jacobji5 1 year ago
@jacobji5 Believe me I DID NOT MISS ANYTHING, I know the place was surrounded by snipers but the Altgeld photos people are claiming that was Connoly wounds, It is very hard to say if the tip of the rifle is a shadow from something else. There might be a guy stand next to him on our left and another guy below him for sure sitting on the fire stairs looking up ? or wearing a cap?. I do not see a spotter in any window. Why does he needs a spotter. He just shoots and hide fast. Maybe no shots.
Verdelufe 1 year ago
Now compare the 2 rifles German Mauser 7.65 & Italian Carcano 6.5 they are very similar but the Metal Plate that protects the trigger has different designs, take a look at clips "JFK assassination confirmation of the Oswald rifle" " The Depository revisited" " The Mauser in the TSBD" By looking carefully you can see that the Italian Carcano 6.5 was the one that was found and not the Mauser
like Craig is claiming. PLEASE POST IT AND TELL ME WHERE I DID WRONG
BECAUSE I BELIVE IN CONSPIRACY.
Verdelufe 1 year ago
@Verdelufe THINK!
All imported 6.5mm Carcano rifles during that time period have "MADE ITALY" stamped on the wood stock; easily noticed. So, it does not matter at all how similar the 2 rifles may appear next to each other. Even a pet goldfish could ID the Italian Carcano, first time every time. That is proof why the original ID was correct about the 7.65 Mauser.
jacobji5 1 year ago
@jacobji5 I THINK UNTIL I STINK !!! That's all I do analysing piece by piece. What really bothers me is that Craig, Weistzmam & Fritz confirmed first the Mauser, all news spread the word and then they changed to Carcano. When they first found the rifle on the clip The Depository Revisited #2 Alyea & clip " The mauser in the TSBD to compare the 2, you can see the metal plate around the trigger " IS A CARCANO' they first found. Original ID was NOT correct ! Compare the plates on boths rifles.
Verdelufe 1 year ago
@jacobji5 DID YOU CHECK THE 2 CLIPS to compare the 2 rifles, do you agree now that it was a CARCANO the original ID.
Verdelufe 1 year ago
@Verdelufe You idiot. Get off your moms drugs.
jacobji5 1 year ago
@jacobji5 The one who seems to be on drugs is you, WHAT ATTITUDE !!! Are you going to answer YES or No to my question ??? You were the first one who asked me the question and I answer appropriately MORON !!!
Verdelufe 1 year ago
@Verdelufe As I stated. The Carcanos imported during that time have "MADE ITALY" stamped on their stock. Made Italy is not Made Germany Mauser. Can you reason that out? Furthermore, the rifle they showed on a film does not match the rifle the CIA planted with their story about Oswald buying it through the mail. The video rifle has the straps in a different location.
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jacobji5 1 year ago
@jacobji5 I understand has stamped "MADE IN ITALY" no problem so far, but the rifle they found has the strap on the side AGREE? why a manufacturer will change the location on the rifle like on the bottom in some of them. Oswald backyard picture is very hard to tell if is from the side or from the bottom the strap. Would you be kind to tell where can I have a VISUAL PROOF the Oswald
rifle strap is from the bottom. No more he said she said has to be CLEAR IMAGE.
Verdelufe 1 year ago
@Verdelufe Go to video: 3v_9pOsRL0o
This guy, Gil Jesus, is a former police officer. See the Kline's rifle add in the video. Carcano's came with different sling mounts. Manufacturers decision. We agree/disagree with any decisions of all gun manufacturers about what they do, but so what?
Furthermore, the story of Oswald carrying a rifle inside in a paper sack was made up by Hoover. Go to Wallmart. Look at curtain rod packages. Can you fit a Carcano rifle into any? NO!
jacobji5 1 year ago
" TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN " Very conflicting statements from 2 people Roger Craig and Seymor Weitzmam. Craig was witness right when they found the rifle and Weitzmam was a weapon expert. Craig and Captain Fritz read 8" from the rifle Mauser 7.65 and Weitzmam confirmed it. Weitzmam claimed he was wrong later. Craig said he saw LHO coming down from the grassy knoll when LHO was at the 2nd fl. buying Coke( He sounds very convincing but this bothers me). Now compare the 2 rifles .......cont.
Verdelufe 1 year ago
@Verdelufe Lets get your facts a little straighter. LHO was buying the coke DURING the shooting. Craig spotting man looking like LHO was in the aftermath of it. You say Craig sounding 'very convincing' bothers you (lol!). Your very confused and plentiful postings bothers me!
freddycupples 1 year ago
@freddycupples You are the real jerk LOL without knowing what hell is going, is like you get in to a party and do not know whose birthday is. You just jump into the street car without knowing where you going to. Make comments without reading,analysing. Officer Baker and TSBD manager Truly questioned LHO drinking Coke at lunch room 1:30 to 2:00 min. after the shooting. Craig did not see a man looking like LHO, he saw him jumping into Payne's car. Do your homework or you do not have brain.LOW-IQ
Verdelufe 1 year ago
just the press getting the facts wrong, as they have always done and still do. one reporter got the the wrong info and the rest ran with it.
REMEMBER THE MAINE
blungo99 1 year ago
That's quite a difference to make a mistake by. COVERUP!
TheSpoiler001 1 year ago
This is a GREAT CLIP as it shows what a N.W.O hack the CRONK really was. The same calm delivery of the rifle change as the Mauser report. Nothing to see here folks just move along. Instead of M.S.M for the media it should be M.M.C. for MASS MIND CONTROL. Icke says it best when he hears, or reads a news report from the M.M,C's he asks himself what are they trying to get me to do, or what do they want me to believe, and for what reason. Wake up people before we are left holding the bag.
THX1948 1 year ago
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OzzyFan87 1 year ago
The shell casings found by the window were 6.5 caliber, and did not match the rifle that was found. Due to the chain of custody, they had to change the type of rifle found. All the evidence was planted. Oswald was a patsy.
daltonamo 1 year ago
haha awesome
FishBoneSkeleton 1 year ago
Both rifles were found because there were 2 shooters on the 6th floor. Google the video "JFK-Case For Conspiracy I" It gets serious at 20 minutes into it.
sargoth37 1 year ago
Any American might refer to a military bolt action rifle as a "Mauser." HOWEVER, they would not identify it as a "7.65 Mauser" That reference is not generic but VERY SPECIFIC. It means the rifle was either Belgian or from ARGENTINA. A German made 7.65 Mauser for the Argentine military, model 91 or model 09. Either way a phenomenal tack driver. Just the sort of thing an ARGENTINE shooter would bring in and use, not understanding the patsy had already been set up to use an Italian rifle.
Cosmoline 1 year ago
Once J.Edgar Hoover got involved everything changed. He had the power to change evidence or have his people do it.
It was an Mauser, because why would it be reported has one if it was not. My grandfather got a mauser from the battlefield in WW2 fighting the Germans. They are very specially made, different from the Oswalds rifle. They each from my research have the Mauser stamp on the the gun barrel. The rifle of my of grandfathers has the stamp on it. It was a Mauser.
ultimatebws4444 2 years ago
you can see that someone is telling the reporter to say that it was not a Mauser:
watch?v=-D-vDUqahiQ
(looks to his right/up all the time)
HumanityWins 2 years ago
wasn t it a mosin nagant ?
1niklas 2 years ago
Does anyone know when the official id time change from the Mauser to the Carcano took place? Who told DPD it was the MC and not the Mauser and what time was this?
Anyone know and can cite?
envaneo 2 years ago
@envaneo the Mauser was found on the fifth floor, was found before the Caracano. It's anyone's guess when the official time changed for the 'Oswald rifle" . Obviously, when they arrested Oswald, the Mauser became moot and was quickly dismissed so they can tie Oswald in as the lone shooter.
ramsback28 2 years ago
No doubt it was a Mouser, those that were trying to frame Oswald weren't really that smart.
A Mouser rifle and Caracano bullet shells obviously do not add up. They messed up right from the start.
redemptous 2 years ago 4
@redemptous a Mouser is a cat. the funny thing about the Mauser though is that they filmed its recovery and photographed it with lots of witnesses and it was a mannlicher. wietzman said it "appeared" be a mauser. meaning he didn't know. and craig didn't start telling the "mauser was stamped on it" stories until long after the warren commission and originally he claimed it was found on the roof.
andrelebaron 4 months ago
Here some more early premature reports for CTers to fawn over:
JFK standing when shot, Secret Service agent killed in Dealey Plaza, JFK brought to Parkland via ambulance (Dan Rather) or BUS! (Eddie Barker -KRLD-TV), LBJ shot, LBJ heart attack (both WFAA -radio), JFK's "lips moving at a normal rate of speed" on arrival at Parkland (attributed to Senator Yarborough), Tippet slain in shootout in theatre...
OH, I'm sorry...these don't help any so-called "theory".
pajasa62 2 years ago
hey jacka$s-idiot-moron, explain the interviews with sheriff Roger Craig describing the finding of the MAUSER, and the affadavit by sheriff Wietzman (who worked in a gun store) describing the found rifle as a MAUSER. This affadavit was included in the Warren commisions 27 volumes.
freddycupples 2 years ago 10
What a worn out argument.
Both Boone & Weitman readily admitted in filmed interviews that they were referring to the "Mauser-bolt action"
If that was sinister, how much did they get for casually going along w/ the capitol offense of treason? 2 days & 3 nights in Disneyland?
What TRUMPS anything you believe is the WFAA-TV broadcast just after 2:30 pm on 11/22 when they showed the Alyea film - taken with the media SEALED in TSBD - NO ONE has pointed out it being any but a Mannlicher-Carcano!
pajasa62 2 years ago
@pajasa62 Threats are a fine way to get people to change their stories. Why should they take it on the chin when all their superiors (and Hoover) are lying their asses off?
luridplanet 1 year ago
@luridplanet
Yep, all you have to do is
IGNORE the Tom Alyea film
DISREGARD Boone and Weitzman's own statements &
PRETEND that the difference between the 2 rifles was like the difference between a Cadillac and Volkswagon
pajasa62 1 year ago
@freddycupples Analysing piece by piece, what really bothers me is that Craig, Weistzmam & Fritz confirmed first the Mauser, all news spread the word and then they changed to Carcano. When they first found the rifle on the clip The Depository Revisited #2 Alyea & clip " The mauser in the TSBD to compare the 2, you can see the metal plate around the trigger " IS A CARCANO' they first found. Original ID was NOT correct ! Compare the plates on boths rifles. Please help on this one Post it ! Thank!
Verdelufe 1 year ago
the assassins rifle was definetly a 7.65 mauser! but also a third rifle was also discovered on the roof of the depository filmed by dallas cinema associates. this third rifle that was discovered did not have a microscopic sight. there were also reports that in addition a 302. british rifle was found. so the bigger question is where are all these rifles? the oswald rifle is definetly a huge scam.
97camiro 2 years ago 2
hey if the dallas police were "mistaken" about the rifle maybe they were "mistaken" about the entire case.Maybe they were "mistaken" about Oswald.
Maybe it was Brigade 2506,Interpen & JMWAVE that killed JFK since members of all three were photographed in Dealey Plaza at the time of the shooting.
themeaningoflife38 2 years ago
Craig said both he and Weitzman had the rifle in front of their faces and saw "Mauser 7.65" stamped on the barrel. Is it possible this was a deliberate police misinformation tactic to try to get someone to expose the fact they knew the make of the real gun? After Oswald was killed they may have just stayed quiet in order not to reveal police tactics.
Exiles800 2 years ago
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freedomhill68 2 years ago
All this clip is is another example of the media using wrong infromation that weekend. Heck, when Oswald was shot, some of the newsmen were still calling him "Lee Harold Oswald". Look up other clips here on YouTube and you'll see and hear more wrong information that news reporters were using that weekend; not for a conspiracy but b/c so much information was coming in, they didn't have time to filter it out to see if it was true or not. For example: the SS agent that was killed supposedly.
corydwalker 2 years ago
Indeed, early reports were saying things like "V.P. Johnson was also hit" and once the reports hit the wires, everyone starts repeating it as fact. Bottom line: the first guy who saw the gun thought it looked like a Mauser (which, it does) and eager reporters spread the erroneous identification.
ShutterBun2 2 years ago
Exactly. There was a lot of misinformation going around like the Mauser gun, Johnson being shot, a SS agent being killed, a woman and man shooting off the Triple Overpass, etc. This is just another example. But people like GJJude will make you believe it's all a big grandious conspiracy and the media was in on the coverup. But then hes the one who wont let people comment on his page and debate the FACTS instead of just HALFASSED THEORIES.
corydwalker 2 years ago
Deputy Sheriff Roger Craig said that SSeymour Weitzman, a
deputy constable was the person who identified the weapon on retrieval. These people were trained, the actual peron to identify it, the constable, wroked in sporting goods and was familiar with every type of weapon foreign and domestic. You tell me what theory is half assed ding dong
nobodymm 2 years ago 4
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Exactly - Roger Craig "said" that Weitzman said. There is the key word - "said". You have no proof whatsoever of it being a Mauser. Just another CT that spawned off what someone "said". That's how rumors get started. And all these people "mysteriously" dying - well, if they were "mysteriously" dying, then 10-15 years after 11/22/63 when the ppl had plenty of chance to talk to others, then that isn't "mysterious" afterall. Get your fucking facts straight first nobodymm before you talk.
corydwalker 2 years ago
Weitzman signed an affadavit the next day- calling it a mauser 7.65. The CIA also reported a mauser the second day and said reports of a carcano were false. Craig was shot with a rifle in the chest. They called it a suicide. He owned two pistols. If I'm a conspiracy nut, then you are the craziest COINCIDENCE nut I've ever seen
jimsterJ 2 years ago 13
Unfortunately, youtube will only allow me to give you 1 thumbs up for your comment. I was hoping to give you 10 or 20.
Plasticsoul 2 years ago 3
@jimsterJ Given the details in the autopsy report, to believe that Craig was silenced, one has to believe that some assassin managed to sneak into his house while Craig's father was in the back yard and shoot Craig with a .22 caliber (or similar) rifle. This assassin somehow chose to shoot Craig in the chest, and even managed to put the muzzle of the gun in contact with Craig's chest, all the while leaving no evidence of a struggle.
jigglypiggly 1 year ago
@jimsterJ Somehow the assassin also forced Craig to drink himself over 3 times the legal driving limit in Dallas, and force diazepam down his throat.
jigglypiggly 1 year ago
@jimsterJ Analysing piece by piece, what really bothers me is that Craig, Weistzmam & Fritz confirmed first the Mauser, all news spread the word and then they changed to Carcano. When they first found the rifle on the clip The Depository Revisited #2 Alyea & clip " The mauser in the TSBD to compare the 2, you can see the metal plate around the trigger " IS A CARCANO' they first found. Original ID was NOT correct ! Compare the plates on boths rifles. Please help on this one Post it ! Thanks.
Verdelufe 1 year ago
The Gun was a Mauser.
presorted5678 1 year ago
@presorted5678
wrong
grettoz 1 year ago
The Gun was a Mauser. Until it hat to be a Carcao!
presorted5678 1 year ago
Either that or the FBI and/or CIA was putting it out there that it was a military rifle to fit with Oswald being the shooter since he was a marine.
Jeff051176 2 years ago 3
Fact is -- By controlling the media & the 'investigation', the assassination conspirators got away with killing JFK. Yet their very heavy-handed cover-up, witness intimidation, evidence-tampering, falsification & obstruction of justice were so blatant that 40 yrs later most people conclude LBJ, Hoover, the FBI, CIA, Dallas Police & Secret Service were deeply implicated in JFKs murder. Too many facts do NOT support the official lone nut assassin theory. Since then, Gov lies are bigger & bolder.
starmanskye 2 years ago
John F. Kennedy.
nQQdles 2 years ago
FBI was behind all this stuff. Conspiration...
peterrosel 3 years ago
I wonder why the CIA would bother posting comments on JFK videos here on youtube.Makes you think maybe they have some big important coverup that they must maintain no matter what the cost.
themeaningoflife38 3 years ago
"the bigger the lie ,the more people will believe it!!"
an ADOLPH HITLER so I've heard..
daveband 3 years ago
"the bigger the lie ,the more people will believe it!!"
an ADOLPH HITLER so I've heard..
Exactly..This is why so many people believe in a conspiracy, because it has been repeated over and over..
So let me get this straight.. This incredable conspiracy, maybe the greatest ever, but they place a rifle in the TSBD that is not Oswald's while trying to frame Oswald? Makes sense to me.
Alot of mistakss were made on 11/22 and one of them was saying it was a Mauser.
arther1045 3 years ago
No see they found the Mauser rifle then they realized that Oswald owned a 6.5mm carbine they changed it so they could say Oswlad's rifle was found on the 6th floor.There is a sworn affidavit on the city of dallas website signed by a dallas policeman that it was a MAUSER.
themeaningoflife38 3 years ago 3
lol.. so this huge conspiract that was so big, and good, that they hid a conspiracy for 45 years didn't have the rifle thing all set before hand..are you freaking kidding me..you nuts just can't think.
arther1045 3 years ago
the conspiracy was so huge that 45 years later disinformation agents post on youtube 24-7 still trying to convince people that up is down. But smart people dont believe all the WC lies so they will have to kill us all.
themeaningoflife38 3 years ago
the mean another nut who thinks up is down but accuses other of it.
Ok you are right..this huge conspiracy for some reason waited until JFK was out in public with cameras around and then killed him, instead of doing it with no witnsses.
They tried to make it lok like one shooter ( Oswald ) but instead had someone else in the TSBD do it even though nobody saw anyone else in the bld.
Oswald just hapoened to kill a cop an hour later.
arther1045 3 years ago
this huge conspiracy was just lucky that over 90% of witnsses at Dealey said there were less then 4 shots..
Also no JFK backers in the media or on gov't even found out about it and exposed it.
They were lucky enough to just pick a day that Oswald juts happened to bring a long package to work for the first time ever.
Oswald also just happened to leave his wedding ring at home for the first time ever that day.
This could go on and on. Stop being an ignorant conspiracy nut.
arther1045 3 years ago
Yep, and all those Dealey Plaza witnesses heard a shot come from behind the knoll. If you watch film after the shooting, notice how they all run over to the fence, then into the parking lot.
flapjack9999 2 years ago
Nuts? Who believes in a 'magic bullet' turning in mid-air? NUTS!
northmeister 2 years ago
norht doesn't even know enough to understand that the bullet didn't turn in mid air. Another nut who gets all his info from Oliver Stone.
arther1045 2 years ago
Your a good man Art, but are you telling me that that 'megical' single bullet the dream of Senator Arlen Specter, did all those miraculous things (including jumping around in mid air in order to hit the points it was suppose to) - and CAME OUT CLEAN, to lay on a stretcher just to be found? What a BULLET!
northmeister 2 years ago 3
Well, if CE399 *didn't* do all the things it was supposed to have done, how do you account for the bullet's existence at all? Did it only hit Connally? (his wounds account for all of the boney injuries) Did it go through JFK's neck and somehow manage to miss Connally? Or, more ridiculously, was it planted by conspirators, who would have wanted there to be LESS evidence to find, not more?
ShutterBun2 2 years ago
You 'ASSUME' much. Bottom line? You need to study more. A credible witness confirmed it was a Mauser, a policeman and he later stuck to his eyewitness account in interviews - he was a well decorated officer prior to nov. 22. The Bullet on the stretcher - the magic one that does all sorts of wonderful things - was in pristine conditon for having done so much bone damage - HOW DID THAT HAPPEN? Seems to me the ridiculousness is found elsewhere. As far as conspirators - only a assumption there.
northmeister 2 years ago 2
I need to study more? Between the two of us, who has read all 26 volumes of the Warren Commission? NOBODY confirmed it was a Mauser. Weitzman said it looked like a Mauser "in a glance" and later reported it (along with erroneous info aboout the scope) to the FBI. His WC testimony makes it clear that this was just a "first glance" identification and that he didn't look at it that closely. Far from confirming it, all he says is he "thought it was one"(a Mauser) Do more research yourself.
ShutterBun2 2 years ago
It was a military bullet, one designed to kill several people with the same bullet, not some bullet you buy at Walmart and go out and shoot tin cans and phonebooks with it.
corydwalker 2 years ago
Really? So it also goes through bone, muscle, flesh, bounces around, changes direction, does all sorts of magic tricks - and comes out in almost pristine condition? Sorry, but I served the the military and have seen the condition of bullets and it does not add up. Please offer another explanation - cause that dog don't hunt here.
northmeister 2 years ago 4
It didn't turn in midair. They figured that JBC was sitting lower and turned when he was hit with the same bullet that tumbled when it came out of Kennedy's neck.
corydwalker 2 years ago
@northmeister Oliver stone is a hack! All he did is cloud our minds with his fiction. The bullet did not turn, pause or do any other crap. It went thru Jfk's neck, then into the gov. a proven fact.
end of act one.
blungo99 1 year ago
arther1045, I'm sorry to hear that you are so against finding the truth about what happenned to on that day. Ridiculing others and trying to demonize them by calling them conspirators (as if that's really effective) for trying to find out the truth. What a genius.
flapjack9999 2 years ago
maybe someone should get a 7.65 Mauser for this year... because they will soon be outlawed thanks to Mr Douchbag Obama
Mickeymorris626 3 years ago
german mausers were 8mm
mauser3846 3 years ago
They were all developed in Germany, even if for other nations' armed forces.
radio187 3 years ago
some were not made in Germany the Yugo and the Czech vz. 24 were, but u are right most South American mausers were along with Turkish mausers
mauser3846 3 years ago
German 98K's were 8x57mm standard though they were also chambered in 7x57mm. The 1909 Modelo Argentio (Argentinian Mauser) was originally chambered in 7.65x57mm. The M1903 Springfield was a Mauser chambered in .30-06/7.62x63mm. So not all Mauser's were chambered in just 8mm.
Nervian 3 years ago
the modelo 1909 was not chambered in 7.65x57 it was in 7.65x53 the Turkish mauser mod 1903 was in the same calibre. i never said that all mausers were chambered in 8mm
mauser3846 3 years ago
Police claimed the shells came from an automatic. The handgun allegedly taken from Oswald at the time of his arrest was a revolver. Ammunition for a revolver is not interchangeable with ammunition for an automatic, therefore it was not the murder weapon. The shells are clearly marked- ".38 spl" or ".38 auto". There is also a descrepancy as to the number of shots fired. The police supposedly found five shells yet only four were recovered from Tippit. They had NO case. It's as simple as that.
kcsunshine64 3 years ago 2
" I didn't shoot anybody sir" The man spoke the truth. The paraffin test of his cheek was negative. The test for the hands were positive. However, parrafin tests for nitrate traces, which can be found in a number of things , such as the boxes Oswald was handling. I guess he had magic soap to wash his face without using his hands, like the magic bullets he had. Oswald's pistol was not a match to the one that was used to kill Tippit. The ammunition was not the same. No case!
kcsunshine64 3 years ago
Four expended cartridge cases were found near the site of the Tippit killing. Two of these cartridge cases were Remington-Peters . 38 Specials and two were Western . 38 Specials. Based on a comparison with test cartridge cases fired in the V510210 revolver, the four cartridge cases were identified as having been fired in the V510210 revolver.
swansandtyphus 3 years ago
No credible evidence exists that proves Oswald fired ANY shots or was even on the 6th floor.CIA did it.Go watch Howard Hunt's confession.
themeaningoflife38 3 years ago 4
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Witnesses at the scene saw a man fitting Oswald's description and he was indentified in a line up. His rifle was used in the shooting and the barrel grooves were identified on the bullet recovered from Parkland hospital and on bullet fragments found in the Presidents limo. The trajectory of both shots that hit Kennedy originated in from the 6th floor window of the Depository.
Oswald was the only TSBD employee who fled the scene and witnesses identified him at the scene of Tippets shooting.
swansandtyphus 3 years ago
A Dallas Police officer saw Oswald on the 2nd floor seconds after the shooting so he could not have been on the 6th floor.
themeaningoflife38 3 years ago 4
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BIG DEAL!
Other accidental misinformation of 11/22: JFK standing in the car when shot, 6 or 7 others shots (witnesses laying on ground). Secret Service agent killed in Dealey Plaza, LBJ shot, LBJ heart attack, JFK taken to hospital by ambulance or (get this) a bus!, JFK's lips moving at Parkland (Sen. Yarborough), Tippet killed in theatre, Oswald on arrest saying "I killed a president, a cop, if I could only get a few more"
In 45 years of the Alyea film NO ONE excludes it from being a M/C.
pajasa62 3 years ago
When they kill the President, there is a change of government and that is a coup d'etat and anybody involved will never be tried because the coup d'etat worked. "Anybody that doesn't realize that isn't using his head."
Oswald was the cover story to distract the public from the truth.
themeaningoflife38 3 years ago
Oswald used a Italian Carcano model 1938
carbine
0175036 3 years ago
Dallas deputy ROger Craig said that he and another officer found the mauser and never changed his story,he was killed by the dark side.Three 6.5mm casing were found at the window,if you fired 3 rounds why eject the last round?
themeaningoflife38 3 years ago
"Three 6.5mm casing were found at the window,if you fired 3 rounds why eject the last round?"
As if you actually HAD something by saying that!
If you are shooting rapid fire as Oswald was (and knowing you had another shot) can't you see the possibility of ejecting the round? Does shooting JFK sound like it involves a hesitating effort? And if he didn't BIG DEAL!- an empty hull would still be in the rifle, just UNEJECTED!
In 45 years of the Alyea film NO ONE points to it being a Mauser!
pajasa62 3 years ago
the dallas pd,fbi,cia,secret service & the cia contolled media were all involved in the conspiracy.
themeaningoflife38 3 years ago
Deputy Roger Craig also claims they found the 7.65 mauser, but later it magically became a 6.5mm italian carbine
themeaningoflife38 4 years ago
Do you images of the Alyea film showing the Mauser?
MisterQuebec 3 years ago