Trained reaction costs 0,3 seconds. Turning de sailplane to 'fly' position after ropebreak takes about 2 seconds. In this situation it took her 3 seconds. Making the turn before flying again with enough airspeed was not wise. She could not pull up to land softly because of to little airspeed. Picking up airspeed at that altitude is scary but necessary. Anyhow its good that she's there to try again.
It was a lady (for the record) and it was a hill site with curl over and she pulled the brakes before regaining airspeed (went into "land made"?). As to the wing drop, it was an attempt to land on the "long" run off slightly right of dead ahead. No, it was not me, but I observed it all.She was shaken but not hurt.
How long did he wait before nosing over (obiously too long)? Holy shit this was a really bad crash for such a low threat rope break or similar malfunction. given the low pilot skill, maybe climb more shallow until 400 feet AGL before max alpha.
Who agrees that 1 he reacted too slow, 2 didn't control the a/c to keep it straight and level, 3 should have adopted an attitude(pitched down) to a) regain flying the glider, and b) achieve landing speed, 4 attempt to land ahead from that height? A turn at that attitude, speed and height are all basic mistakes. I hope it was only his pride that got hurt. I expect this has already been said, I haven't trawled through all the past posts.
@grolode Nearly stalled??? The glider was stalled (with a wing drop) and was not recovered fully by the time it hit the ground. The pilot bent the stick way to much and busted the weak link, failed to react quick enough and stalled the glider.
He needed a little more speed before he put the stick in his gut.
As soon as the weak link broke he should have dumped the nose and landed straight ahead.
I have over 2500 winch launches and besides a couple times having the winch lose power when I nosed up, it's been a great way to lauch, cheaper than air tow, and quicker too.
@ErnieL40 Porbably not possible anymore, When you start that steep and break at such a low altitude, them slamming the nose down is probably too late.
@vonschnorkel Should only let the glider rotate once you have a min. of 50kts in most gliders, the glider is still accellerating and altitude is increasing. If you don't, this is what can happen if you have a rope break.
He crashed because he went straight through to the full climb without letting any speed to build up. When the weak link went he didn't have enough speed to bring the nose down quickly and to make matters even worse, he tried to turn whilst stalled or causing a stall and spun into the ground. This highlights why you have to have a gentle transition into a full climb.
@MrTumnus8896, good post and absolutely correct, at our club we don't transition to the full climb until we're well clear of the ground and when we do we're taught to make it last for the count of five so the transition is smooth. We still get 1800ft launches on a good day. This video is an excellent lesson in what not to do and thankfully nobody was injured and no serious damage was done.
not only in your club, you climb smothly till you reached around 50meters(150ft) over ground, then you pull the stick smothly to increase your angle of attack...
if you're a pilot too, I am ashamed of your incompetend post in absolutely unacceptable English. Your expertise do not seem particularly far-ranging.
That was not nesesery. Bad piloting. A broken cable shuld never be the reason to a crash. NEVER ever turn in this altetude. NEVER dive that deep at that altetude. Let it build up speed in a moderet tempo, in a almost normal attetude, and do a normal landing streat ahead......
@felixfelix1702 Hi Felix. You might be right. My expertise only bring me to the 927'th place on the IGC ranking list. How far are you in your glider career ?? fai.org/gliding/rankings
I agree with you on not turning at that altitude but not with the build up of speed. At the time that the cable broke the airplane had no speed anymore so you have to gain speed and FAST best thing to do is just pushing teh stick quickly forward you will gain speed and eventually you wil have enough speed to pull the stick gently back and make a soft landing although I might doubt it because his altitude was VERY low..
@florinbaiduc -I have 1500 launches, mostly on winch (80%) 1200 hours total. I have been there on the gliderstrip for 27 years now. Q: what vas the bad advice i gave.........I migt still have something to learn.
"Never turn at that altitude" - he does not turn on purpose - it's obvious he stalls one wing
"Never dive that deep at that altitude" - he is not "diving" but recovering from the stall, not diving like he did might have killed him as a spin would have surely followed.
@florinbaiduc Hi Florian. I must say that i totaly disagree whit you, and if this had happend on a day where i was on instuctor duty, this pilot would be grounded to fly solo on club owned gliders, until he could mange a aborted winch launc. If you are right about the stall instead of what i call a turn, it is even bader piloting than what i saw it in the first place. Dont think we will agree, and its not my intension to try to convince you of anything. Have a lot of good flying...
@florinbaiduc the one wing drop is to fly off the cable line to avoid hitting the winch at the other end. unfortunately it resulted in the stall which then caused the crash. The slight direction change to avoid the winch was not neccessary here as he did not have enough speed or height.
Trained reaction costs 0,3 seconds. Turning de sailplane to 'fly' position after ropebreak takes about 2 seconds. In this situation it took her 3 seconds. Making the turn before flying again with enough airspeed was not wise. She could not pull up to land softly because of to little airspeed. Picking up airspeed at that altitude is scary but necessary. Anyhow its good that she's there to try again.
yofilmpjes 3 weeks ago
ANY landing you walk away from is a good landing. :-)
GaryLaaks1 3 months ago
waited far to long to execute the recovery action, far to long
lhitchins 6 months ago
meant "land mode"?
MrAirmyn1 6 months ago
It was a lady (for the record) and it was a hill site with curl over and she pulled the brakes before regaining airspeed (went into "land made"?). As to the wing drop, it was an attempt to land on the "long" run off slightly right of dead ahead. No, it was not me, but I observed it all.She was shaken but not hurt.
MrAirmyn1 6 months ago
Ahhh....That didn't look too bad...(@_@)
KarpatycGhost 7 months ago
No that is what you call a Hard Landing....
bullseatpizza 10 months ago
Classic. This is why you should always have enough airspeed before starting your climb on a winch launch.
SimonJetRDAF 10 months ago 5
Wow, that's what you get for pole'ing a glider into the air off a winch launch.
getem98 1 year ago
How long did he wait before nosing over (obiously too long)? Holy shit this was a really bad crash for such a low threat rope break or similar malfunction. given the low pilot skill, maybe climb more shallow until 400 feet AGL before max alpha.
tn66367 1 year ago
Who agrees that 1 he reacted too slow, 2 didn't control the a/c to keep it straight and level, 3 should have adopted an attitude(pitched down) to a) regain flying the glider, and b) achieve landing speed, 4 attempt to land ahead from that height? A turn at that attitude, speed and height are all basic mistakes. I hope it was only his pride that got hurt. I expect this has already been said, I haven't trawled through all the past posts.
VikingInstructor 1 year ago
@VikingInstructor Pfft whatever
TheSimonHarris 8 months ago
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VikingInstructor 1 year ago
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VikingInstructor 1 year ago
The problem is clearly in the Coyote Roadrunner transition. ACME launch system was a contributing factor.
Puronicth 1 year ago
Obviously pilot error. He didn't get 55 kts. to start the steep climb. If he did that, he could land ahead...
TheGreatFlyer 1 year ago
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was hängt der sich auch schon so früh dran?
MrWindowsvista 1 year ago
eindeutig piloten fehler...!
littleking1996 1 year ago
why???? this is one nice trying....
otto63363 1 year ago
this is why most people use a safety altitude, at the height he was at there was no way to have recovered from the stall at that high of an attitude
Justinh789 1 year ago
kavlierstart und wieso geht man bei der höhe zur seite weg ey
Luijuli1 1 year ago
Kavalierstart halt
MrMTBMX 1 year ago
dude u have to land straight ahead on a cable break > 300 ft.
Don't try to fly a curve at that altitude
BrainfuckEmt 1 year ago
@BrainfuckEmt do you honestly believe he did the curve on purpose :)
florinbaiduc 1 year ago
reacted too slow ... was going upward after cable break for 1 sec ... and then nearly stalled.
grolode 1 year ago
@grolode Nearly stalled??? The glider was stalled (with a wing drop) and was not recovered fully by the time it hit the ground. The pilot bent the stick way to much and busted the weak link, failed to react quick enough and stalled the glider.
lhitchins 1 year ago
i do hope he was ok
CThompson151 1 year ago
Oh man...
andi357 1 year ago
ouch
not a good speed and angle during the winch
menfalling 1 year ago
...und das zum Thema Kavallierstart!!!!
Tiger44445 1 year ago
He needed a little more speed before he put the stick in his gut.
As soon as the weak link broke he should have dumped the nose and landed straight ahead.
I have over 2500 winch launches and besides a couple times having the winch lose power when I nosed up, it's been a great way to lauch, cheaper than air tow, and quicker too.
ErnieL40 1 year ago
@ErnieL40 Porbably not possible anymore, When you start that steep and break at such a low altitude, them slamming the nose down is probably too late.
vonschnorkel 1 year ago
@vonschnorkel Should only let the glider rotate once you have a min. of 50kts in most gliders, the glider is still accellerating and altitude is increasing. If you don't, this is what can happen if you have a rope break.
MrTumnus8896 1 year ago
He crashed because he went straight through to the full climb without letting any speed to build up. When the weak link went he didn't have enough speed to bring the nose down quickly and to make matters even worse, he tried to turn whilst stalled or causing a stall and spun into the ground. This highlights why you have to have a gentle transition into a full climb.
MrTumnus8896 1 year ago
@MrTumnus8896, good post and absolutely correct, at our club we don't transition to the full climb until we're well clear of the ground and when we do we're taught to make it last for the count of five so the transition is smooth. We still get 1800ft launches on a good day. This video is an excellent lesson in what not to do and thankfully nobody was injured and no serious damage was done.
pete2778 1 year ago
@pete2778
not only in your club, you climb smothly till you reached around 50meters(150ft) over ground, then you pull the stick smothly to increase your angle of attack...
twoaxis 1 year ago
@twoaxis, I'd agree that the method employed at my club is common at all clubs with good safety records!
pete2778 1 year ago
@pete2778
not without any reasons...
twoaxis 1 year ago
well, thats very bad.. sadly there are lots of accidents from this kind is the pilot still alive?
freaky1798 1 year ago
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@gummes
if you're a pilot too, I am ashamed of your incompetend post in absolutely unacceptable English. Your expertise do not seem particularly far-ranging.
felixfelix1702 1 year ago
Das nenn ich mal nen Kavalierstart!
TopToniko 2 years ago
omfg bad pilot!
ThermiekHeld 2 years ago
terrifying.
SabresDude6111 2 years ago
That was not nesesery. Bad piloting. A broken cable shuld never be the reason to a crash. NEVER ever turn in this altetude. NEVER dive that deep at that altetude. Let it build up speed in a moderet tempo, in a almost normal attetude, and do a normal landing streat ahead......
gummess 2 years ago
Dude, can you really not spell half the words in the language?
chuanist 2 years ago 11
No (:-))
gummess 2 years ago
@gummess Yes as soon as the tow end's you should put the nose down release and at that altitude use the breaks to land immediately
Valy18 2 years ago
if you're a pilot too, I am ashamed of your incompetend post in absolutely unacceptable English. Your expertise do not seem particularly far-ranging.
felixfelix1702 1 year ago
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gummess 1 year ago
@felixfelix1702 Hi Felix. You might be right. My expertise only bring me to the 927'th place on the IGC ranking list. How far are you in your glider career ?? fai.org/gliding/rankings
gummess 1 year ago
Too steep, too soon, from this position there was no recovery. Better to crash on the tail & mainwheel first, rather than the nose.
BTW: The pilot got away with this crash and is currently flying, the glider had minor damage, and has been fixed.
Go too steep, too early, then you need to roll a double six every time, just two fives and you are dead.
Chris
chrisrobsoar 1 year ago 2
@gummess
I agree with you on not turning at that altitude but not with the build up of speed. At the time that the cable broke the airplane had no speed anymore so you have to gain speed and FAST best thing to do is just pushing teh stick quickly forward you will gain speed and eventually you wil have enough speed to pull the stick gently back and make a soft landing although I might doubt it because his altitude was VERY low..
yonieter 1 year ago
@gummess don't give bad advice as long as you have no idea what you're talking about...
florinbaiduc 1 year ago
@florinbaiduc -I have 1500 launches, mostly on winch (80%) 1200 hours total. I have been there on the gliderstrip for 27 years now. Q: what vas the bad advice i gave.........I migt still have something to learn.
gummess 1 year ago
@gummess
"Never turn at that altitude" - he does not turn on purpose - it's obvious he stalls one wing
"Never dive that deep at that altitude" - he is not "diving" but recovering from the stall, not diving like he did might have killed him as a spin would have surely followed.
florinbaiduc 1 year ago 15
@florinbaiduc Hi Florian. I must say that i totaly disagree whit you, and if this had happend on a day where i was on instuctor duty, this pilot would be grounded to fly solo on club owned gliders, until he could mange a aborted winch launc. If you are right about the stall instead of what i call a turn, it is even bader piloting than what i saw it in the first place. Dont think we will agree, and its not my intension to try to convince you of anything. Have a lot of good flying...
gummess 1 year ago
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gummess 1 year ago
@florinbaiduc the one wing drop is to fly off the cable line to avoid hitting the winch at the other end. unfortunately it resulted in the stall which then caused the crash. The slight direction change to avoid the winch was not neccessary here as he did not have enough speed or height.
WhitakerSJA 7 months ago
@florinbaiduc all things considering, thats a great landing.
sledgehomer 1 month ago
ouch thats gotta hurt
pestbaby7777 2 years ago