If I had a million dollors I would start my own orchestra and play only 20century masterworks like this---NO Beethoven, Mozart. You have to deal with a a lot of Blue haired symphony committee women from Dallas, for example with your music choices--they are the ones with the bucks. You think they are going to allow the Pierre Lunaire in????That why you have to be independently weatlthy to tell the blue hairs to f--- off. If they don't like Schoernberg, tell em to turn on Lawrence Welk.
God , to live in a city where you can hear contemporary music or at least not the chestnut literature over & over ! Boca Raton is lucky we have the Weiss guy who made all these contemporary recordings in 70's & 80's with this great label .
"Stand up and take your dissonance like a man!" -Charles Ives.
Great performance. All the performers seem to understand the piece very well and use a wide range of tone colors. Each part is very clear and seems perfectly balanced. The soprano's voice has enough warmth to balance all the metallic, cold references that Schoenberg uses in the orchestration.
Please be aware that this is NOT modern, or contemporary music. It's from 1912! And one of the most influential works of the 20th century.
@cmajchord Stand up and have some taste like a man! Yeah it makes a person more manly to like music that sounds like shit I suppose. I also enjoy black coffee, you know cause it makes me seem interesting and manly.. even though it tastes like shit. Long live harmony! Theres a reason nearly half the people that view this dislike it. It doesnt take a music scholar to know when something sounds like utter hell. I swear you could paint a toilet hot pink and people would call it art SCOFF
@cmajchord I think the right to use dissonance has to be earned..without consonant intervals to contrast against the permanent use of dissonance loses its point, as well as sounds unsettling.
@wks1978 That's kind of the point here... Schoenberg was trying to "emancipate" dissonance. In essence trying to free us from the expectation that dissonance must be followed by consonance. It is an effort to shift the expressive focus onto other aspects of the composition, such as counterpoint and motivic development. In a way it is a lot like visual art of the time not trying to "look" like a picture, but to get to the heart of what those paitings actually convey. Expressionism!
I love it when you can feel the music building up to something great, with all the parts working together in harmony. I love it so much. That's why I don't listen to this music.
Ah,it's so COOL isn't it? This music just fascinates, as does the thought of composing something like this. (Only in my wildest dreams, I suppose... someday I will!)
It's not difficult actually, rather simple, it has less rules than tonal music
1 Choose a 12 tone series , there is a simple meth. of using your name.
2 Start writing a melody in any note, just make sure you use all 12 and do not repeat any of the previous 11, see how it sounds, it probably like a wild dream [laughs]
To apply harmony, it's a different ball game, though.
@Danicastil5 12 tone is not free atonal, it's a method Schoenberg devised to give direction to his atonal work. In free atonal, the only objective is to not accentuate a tonality by using any means necessary. His method gives him guidelines within which to work, whereas this is the function of Harmony in tonal music. He saw the inherent flaws of free atonality (no direction) and then devised his system which he believed was just a natural progression of musical evolution.
Die Tonqualität ist nicht gut. Schönberg und auch Pierrot Lunaire ist erstklassige Musik. Schön, dass die Chinesen wissen. ;) In Deutschland wird ja vergleichsweise wenig atonale Musik gespielt. Dafür dass Schönberg in Berlin gewirkt hat, eigentlich wirklich schade.
I agree - I hear it very clearly and so much better than tonal music - I can't live without either, but I definitely hear and understand better atonal (or as Schoenberg called it, polytonal.
atonal and polytonal are two different things all together. Polytonal means there are multiple tonalities being created at the same moment in time. Atonal means the absence of tonality all together....music school ponage
I am sure that's not what Schönberg claimed. The words are hardly understandable, Paik's German is not idiomatic. Especially Nr. 4 is totally far from the contents. For study I recommend the recording with Helga Pilarczyk and Pierre Boulez 1962.
I have to admit that Sprechstimme is a barrier to enjoying this work for me. Shoenberg's other innovations, though perhaps equally offbeat, produce pleasant music for me. The Sprechstimme approach to vocals does not.
The sprechstimme is kinda weird... I haven't heard it done like that. It seems a little too sustained, especially when the pitches she's singing (and marked on the score) are only supposed to be approximate. It needs to be more agitated i guess, like it says in the score. The ensemble is great though.
Oh, the instrumentals are great. No problem there. :)
The soprano, on the other hand, clearly missed the composer notation that states *you aren't supposed to sing the pitches.* I was quoting Schoenberg himself a moment ago - "sprechstimme is not to be sung."
I performed "Nacht" for a recital, I was only working on my bachelor's degree, and even I know that. >:/
You might try Schoenberg's three pieces for piano, Op. 11; or his five pieces for orchestra. Failing that, you might also consider looking up works by Alban Berg, Anton Webern, or some late Stravinsky or Scriabin works.
@nkip9230 If you like this, you'll love Olivier Messien's Trois Petis Liturgies. I first knew Messien and then this Schoenberg's piece. Search on it, you won't regret!!!
i take it as a compliment that my comment has 7 thumbs down, it means u ppl took the time to read my comment. and next time hit "reply" so i can see ur worthless and pathetic comeback
Great.
metabog 1 month ago
This is anarchist music.
urmenior 5 months ago
well done :))
MATTDUNCAN1 6 months ago
I see a lot of comments about the 12-Tone method on here. Hate to break some balls, but this isn't a 12-Tone piece.
CosmicAlfonzo 7 months ago 5
this creeps me out
TheCheerPerson12345 8 months ago 2
Listening with absolute attention and concentration but I find myself roaring with laughter.
papoocanada 10 months ago
If I had a million dollors I would start my own orchestra and play only 20century masterworks like this---NO Beethoven, Mozart. You have to deal with a a lot of Blue haired symphony committee women from Dallas, for example with your music choices--they are the ones with the bucks. You think they are going to allow the Pierre Lunaire in????That why you have to be independently weatlthy to tell the blue hairs to f--- off. If they don't like Schoernberg, tell em to turn on Lawrence Welk.
windstorm1000 1 year ago 4
Very nice version. I like it so much. Bravi!
MassimoIncarbone 1 year ago
man I've been whistling this ALL day.
yeyodelvillar 1 year ago 2
gah! hate dissonance..
Jonpoo1 1 year ago
that's a chinese woman singing in german. Brilliant
fobsternd 1 year ago
God , to live in a city where you can hear contemporary music or at least not the chestnut literature over & over ! Boca Raton is lucky we have the Weiss guy who made all these contemporary recordings in 70's & 80's with this great label .
lovesGenet 1 year ago
@iorost I agree idealism should be completely abandoned!
O wait...
jojoereturns 1 year ago
Put images around it and suddenly everyone understand some, at least no one will say its crap.
A lot of good film music has some of that in its palette and no one seems to bother,
People just not used to only listen, with out visual aids, it becomes
even 'scary' to pay attention...
riojp 1 year ago
Put images around it and suddenly everyone understand some, at least no one will say its crap.
A lot of good film music has some of that in its palette and no one seems to bother,
People just not used to only listen, with out visual aids, it becomes
even 'scary' to pay attention...
riojp 1 year ago
horrible crap
assa123assa123 1 year ago
This sucks maaan. You need some Halen.
way2tehdawn 1 year ago
@way2tehdawn
No no no, it doesn't suck, its COOL! You're just not getting it.
(On the other hand, Id rather watch Van Halen than these guys, so you may be half right)
Diosibundo 1 year ago
couldn't have said it better myself ;l
sleazebee 1 year ago
"Stand up and take your dissonance like a man!" -Charles Ives.
Great performance. All the performers seem to understand the piece very well and use a wide range of tone colors. Each part is very clear and seems perfectly balanced. The soprano's voice has enough warmth to balance all the metallic, cold references that Schoenberg uses in the orchestration.
Please be aware that this is NOT modern, or contemporary music. It's from 1912! And one of the most influential works of the 20th century.
cmajchord 2 years ago 15
@cmajchord Stand up and have some taste like a man! Yeah it makes a person more manly to like music that sounds like shit I suppose. I also enjoy black coffee, you know cause it makes me seem interesting and manly.. even though it tastes like shit. Long live harmony! Theres a reason nearly half the people that view this dislike it. It doesnt take a music scholar to know when something sounds like utter hell. I swear you could paint a toilet hot pink and people would call it art SCOFF
Romancandle5929 1 year ago
@cmajchord I think the right to use dissonance has to be earned..without consonant intervals to contrast against the permanent use of dissonance loses its point, as well as sounds unsettling.
wks1978 9 months ago
@wks1978 That's kind of the point here... Schoenberg was trying to "emancipate" dissonance. In essence trying to free us from the expectation that dissonance must be followed by consonance. It is an effort to shift the expressive focus onto other aspects of the composition, such as counterpoint and motivic development. In a way it is a lot like visual art of the time not trying to "look" like a picture, but to get to the heart of what those paitings actually convey. Expressionism!
cmajchord 4 months ago
I love it when you can feel the music building up to something great, with all the parts working together in harmony. I love it so much. That's why I don't listen to this music.
emperorcool97219 2 years ago
I'll pass.
TranceCore3 2 years ago
Atonality, indeed!
Ah,it's so COOL isn't it? This music just fascinates, as does the thought of composing something like this. (Only in my wildest dreams, I suppose... someday I will!)
BarbaraPloyer333 2 years ago 2
@BarbaraPloyer333
It's not difficult actually, rather simple, it has less rules than tonal music
1 Choose a 12 tone series , there is a simple meth. of using your name.
2 Start writing a melody in any note, just make sure you use all 12 and do not repeat any of the previous 11, see how it sounds, it probably like a wild dream [laughs]
To apply harmony, it's a different ball game, though.
Watch this to grasp and good luck.
riojp 1 year ago
@riojp Lol this is not 12-tone. It's freely atonal.
cmajchord 1 year ago
@cmajchord 12-tone IS freely atonal!
Danicastil5 10 months ago
@Danicastil5 12 tone is not free atonal, it's a method Schoenberg devised to give direction to his atonal work. In free atonal, the only objective is to not accentuate a tonality by using any means necessary. His method gives him guidelines within which to work, whereas this is the function of Harmony in tonal music. He saw the inherent flaws of free atonality (no direction) and then devised his system which he believed was just a natural progression of musical evolution.
ericsxp 9 months ago
Die Tonqualität ist nicht gut. Schönberg und auch Pierrot Lunaire ist erstklassige Musik. Schön, dass die Chinesen wissen. ;) In Deutschland wird ja vergleichsweise wenig atonale Musik gespielt. Dafür dass Schönberg in Berlin gewirkt hat, eigentlich wirklich schade.
dralger 2 years ago
Cool!!! Nice work!
alandkuncel 2 years ago
und ich muss dadrüber ne interpretation machen-.-
sebxter 2 years ago
TODAY This is the clasic music!!! I like it!!
cirohp 2 years ago
Atonality is the coolest aspect of music in my opinion.
pickleboy01 2 years ago
I agree - I hear it very clearly and so much better than tonal music - I can't live without either, but I definitely hear and understand better atonal (or as Schoenberg called it, polytonal.
concertobub 2 years ago
atonal and polytonal are two different things all together. Polytonal means there are multiple tonalities being created at the same moment in time. Atonal means the absence of tonality all together....music school ponage
thecount07 2 years ago
wah... atonality system.... so complicated....
encikjoewings 2 years ago
horrible.....worst thing ever...............
underoath2010 2 years ago
.... I'm scared. o-o
TheScarletSky 2 years ago
it sounds awful, why would you want to create that and even listen to it
curt512 2 years ago
you fail at music
Talvegue 2 years ago
you call it music??
curt512 2 years ago
what is music?
ProductionsThink 2 years ago
I am sure that's not what Schönberg claimed. The words are hardly understandable, Paik's German is not idiomatic. Especially Nr. 4 is totally far from the contents. For study I recommend the recording with Helga Pilarczyk and Pierre Boulez 1962.
telvierundachtzig 2 years ago
Sprechstimme is unique...I'm taking a class on contemporary music right now.
avb20540 2 years ago
I have to admit that Sprechstimme is a barrier to enjoying this work for me. Shoenberg's other innovations, though perhaps equally offbeat, produce pleasant music for me. The Sprechstimme approach to vocals does not.
GlorifiedTruth 2 years ago
FFFFFF
SPRECHSTIMME IS NOT TO BE SUNG.
ladyhrist 2 years ago
NO NO>.. they don get it, is all wrong!!!
Curetiamhices 2 years ago
People are calling this good?
Oh you~
burnfireburn 2 years ago
The sprechstimme is kinda weird... I haven't heard it done like that. It seems a little too sustained, especially when the pitches she's singing (and marked on the score) are only supposed to be approximate. It needs to be more agitated i guess, like it says in the score. The ensemble is great though.
murraytaylor123 2 years ago
Oh, the instrumentals are great. No problem there. :)
The soprano, on the other hand, clearly missed the composer notation that states *you aren't supposed to sing the pitches.* I was quoting Schoenberg himself a moment ago - "sprechstimme is not to be sung."
I performed "Nacht" for a recital, I was only working on my bachelor's degree, and even I know that. >:/
ladyhrist 2 years ago
Are they sucking on purpose?!? this is horrible
drahcir90 2 years ago
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No, it's just Schoenberg. This entire piece just sucks. I hate it. Sorry to everyone that loves it.
vacuumbrand 2 years ago
I Love Pierrot Lunaire- Does anyone else know of any other pieces that are completely atonal?
nkip9230 2 years ago 7
o yea I love out of tune music as well
OGsnakeHEAD 2 years ago
@nkip9230 Karlheinz Stockhausen: "Gesang der Junglinge"
TheMolt1 1 year ago
@nkip9230
You might try Schoenberg's three pieces for piano, Op. 11; or his five pieces for orchestra. Failing that, you might also consider looking up works by Alban Berg, Anton Webern, or some late Stravinsky or Scriabin works.
maestrokoury 1 year ago
@nkip9230 A survivor from Warsaw I think
balonglongprince 1 year ago
@nkip9230 If you like this, you'll love Olivier Messien's Trois Petis Liturgies. I first knew Messien and then this Schoenberg's piece. Search on it, you won't regret!!!
FABCASTLE 9 months ago
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Wow this sucks, I play in a college orchestra and this is really bad.
ruready7 2 years ago
What college? (wait for exaggerated lie)
ksyalxe 2 years ago
bcarman14....
....I think ur the one thats doing the sucking...
...you also have a closed mind, listen to the 5 orchestra pieces
sixstringking6 2 years ago
i take it as a compliment that my comment has 7 thumbs down, it means u ppl took the time to read my comment. and next time hit "reply" so i can see ur worthless and pathetic comeback
bcarman14 2 years ago
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Schoenberg sucks DICK
bcarman14 2 years ago
I love dodecaphony.
Schoenberg was a master on Expressionism...
Another contemporary compser I love is the greek Iannis Xenakis. He used to wrote music in milimetric paper =D
Demoliti0nLover 2 years ago
Actually, this work is freely atonal; it pre-dates Schoenberg's twelve-tone music by close to a decade. Regardless, it's a masterpiece.
Where is this ensemble based?
rloomis3 2 years ago
the hard sound on this video is awful
tonyinvan 2 years ago
The Dodecafonic music its so Perfect!
I love Pierrot Lunaire and your compositor A. Schoenberg!
DJCAMEF 2 years ago
dodecafonic music is far from perfect more like shitty and annoying and makes me want to shoot myself
bcarman14 2 years ago
agreed.
vacuumbrand 2 years ago
It's not actually dodecaphonic, so there you go.
ladyhrist 2 years ago
I dont like the soprano. she sings it too much. it should be spoken more.
Steinway12345 3 years ago 2
This song would be great without the voice.
emperorIng360 3 years ago
psychodela
muzykniezalezny 3 years ago
hilarious!!!
I'm a musician, but I've never really thought Schoenberg was all that great... fun to listen to though!
jefequeso 3 years ago
That is Schöenberg.. very contemporary! lol
But very good job musicians!
saradeluna 3 years ago
schoenberg is austrian
jastinezz 3 years ago
the cabaret schoenberg version is the best not that the interpetration is so bored
danielberio 3 years ago
that was great, it is like a painting art .
jazzfunk75 3 years ago 2
This is fantastic, just absolutely brilliant!
Himinbrjotr 3 years ago 2
amazing job!
Jdrunner720 3 years ago
Damn crazy germans
nfajkblg 3 years ago
austrian- actually :P
Steinway12345 3 years ago
i stand corrected
nfajkblg 3 years ago
very well done
Viperplayer187 3 years ago
Brava, brava! Fantastic job!!
fannstmer 3 years ago