Nutcracker, Colombina - Gvantsa Rekhviashvili, Ballet Dancer

[Iolamusica]

Ok let's break up this argument about choreography for a moment shall we? Can someone tell me about the character Colombina? The dance is quite cute! Hahaaa! I love it! I've never seen the nutcracker before . . what's happening at this moment?

[SilverInsanity]

It is during the party in the first act. Drossylmeyer brings out these dolls to dance. The Columbine is one of them.

[glad630]

this is gay omg umm this isent the nut cracker i mean in=m a dancer to

[michellestuckey]

I am gonna go ahead and tell yall that George Balanchine was born in St. Petersburg which I dont beleive was formerly in the country of Georgia.....In the dance world everyone knows he came from Russia... This doesnt even really look like his choreography...is it?

[alienbishop]

Yes you are right, it is Russian famous Choreographer Yury Grigorovich's Choreography "Nutkracker". As for Balanchine, he is sure Georgian, but he was born and raised in St. Petersburg in Family of fameous Georgian Composer Meliton Balanchivadze.

[anatbilisi]

he is georgian and his real lastname is balanchivadze, do not try to make him russian,sorry but he was georgian :)

[pgthinker007]

@michellestuckey

Oh... because Georgia was annexed by Russia, which disappeared from the map. His last name was Balanchivadze. He changed his last name because for English speakers it is hard to prounounce Georgian names. If you tell Russians Balanchini was Russian, they / some of them would not like it.

[AcemanJones]

I think it's interesting that AlienBishop and dancingsnail are both users with the same videos posted to their accounts, both from Georgia, and both with videos mistagged as Balanchine which is not his choreography.

Once again, youtube is misused.

[alienbishop]

ofcource i am georgian, but i dont have posted this videos, i just made them "favorite" after our coversation began, normaly i am not iven posting alot on youtube, i stoped here just beqause i wanted all to know that balanchine was GEORGIAN MAN, i am iven not trayng to convince someone has it be taged as "Balanchine" or not!

[AcemanJonez]

I don't need to be convinced Balanchine is Georgian.. Good for you for knowing that, go eat a nice big bowl of potato soup as a reward.

It is completely irrelevant. THIS VID SHOULD NOT BE TAGGED AS BALANCHINE. FOR ANY REASON AT ALL. IT IS WRONG AND IT IS MANIPULATIVE. Almost Stalinist.

[alienbishop]

Come on! dont get mad :))) what can we do, truth hurts sometimes, and thanks, i dont like potato soup, make one hambourgher and two fries plees :)

and about stalin, did u know he was also Georgian? no relly

and u know what wrong is? giving all credit to america for work of georgian man, i repeat ofcource all his work belongs to usa, but it is wrong hiding that he was Georgian!

[AcemanJones]

Wait wait wait.

Please WATCH this video and explain to me again why it is rightfully tagged as "Balanchine".

It does not use his dance technique. It is not his choreography. It is not his choreographic style.

Yes, he was Georgian, and so is this dancer, apparently. That means nothing. You might as well tag this video "Stalin" since he was also Georgian, right?

[AcemanJonez]

...and who do you think you're kidding? It's obvious you're the same person who posted these videos.

A 26-year-old Georgian in 2007 and a new account of a 27-year-old Georgian in 2008, both with the same 3 videos? Both agreeing that non-Balanchine's work should be labeled as Balanchine?

Give the unneeded nationalism a rest and give the Americans some credit!

[alienbishop]

u know there are alot of 27-year old men and 26-year old women, dancingsanail uploaded them i just made them favorite beqause of all this talk between us.

telling true about mans nationality is not nationalism! he was georgian! and emigratino cant change it!

[AcemanJones]

yes, there are a lot of the same aged females in Georgia with the exact same 3 videos in their youtube accounts and I'm sure alll of them are flooding the discussions to defend why this video was tagged incorrectly.

No, wait...there aren't a lot of them...ONLY YOU.

[AcemanJones]

This video is labeled "George Balanchine" incorrectly and milseadingly...which was my first statement...a fact of TRUTH that you contine to ignore and justify with backwards logic.

[alienbishop]

if u would agree about Balanchine being georgian in the begining, it would be possible to talk about this videos labeling, but but i dont want to discuss anything with man who cant accept simple fact, taht Balanchine was georgian, if u could have real interest about him, and not just fanatical desire to trust that he was not georgian, then perhaps it would be another interresting fact that he was georgian, that he iven used some stuff from georgian folk dance in his choreography, and many more

[alienbishop]

fact that he denied hes homeland,does meen nothing beqause every emigrant (at least well known) do that,it was requird by american polytics, and i dont blame them,it was cold war,but now it is ower and we are not politics.one reason that balanchine was so outstanding,and his choregraphy was like nothing seen before,was that he was from country with old and original dance and culture,and honorable spirit,but sadly for u only thig is interresting and important: "he was american!" it's fanatism!

[AcemanJones]

That's not true, you're going through this entire argumentative dialogue to defend the tag.

My question remains: do you think this video tag is fair or unfair?

Please WATCH this video and explain to me again why it is rightfully tagged as "Balanchine".

It does not use his dance technique. It is not his choreography. It is not his choreographic style.

[alienbishop]

no, in this dialog for me is only one thing important: GEORGE BALANCHINE WAS GEORGIAN EMIGRANT!

YES, ofcource It does not use his dance technique. ofcource it is not his choreography. ofcource it is not his choreographic style. but nobodys sayng that!

eneway i am hapy that on the web apeared some info that is teing his name to his nation thats all! i am sure that many people after this dialogue will know that he was georgian!

[AcemanJones]

Good for you! I'm glad that was an important dialog for you. it has nothing to do with my first post: that despite both GBalanchine and this dancer both being Georgian (who cares?), THIS VIDEO IS MISLABELED...A FACT FACT FACT THAT YOU CONTINUE TO AVOID DISCUSSION ABOUT.

Youtube is not the place to do into a tirade about the PR problems of Georgia and it's citizens. And you're juat a moron.

[alienbishop]

yes it is not balanchines choreography,but it is choreography from his country,so if it is interresting for someonoe,great! if not he can pass by,thats all.

we could avoid speaking about georgia if in the beginning u could accept simple fact that Balanchine was georgian(or georgian american if u prefere)but i guess u are to fanatical about that.

u know calling someone moron does not make u any smarter,swearing in internet is one of most shamefull things.beqause noone can kick your ass here

[alienbishop]

and one more personal note: it is hard to see for people who is unfamiliar with georgia, its culture,people,folk dance,but there is something in his work that many people describe like georgian spirit,again, i am not insisting on it,and dont wannt to discuss it, beqause despite the fact that i can feel this spirit also,this subject,has to be analised and discussed with alot of more depth & wisdom in dance then i have.again i remember his words to his nephew: "american lifestile & Georgian Blood"

[AcemanJones]

This video is labeled "George Balanchine" incorrectly and milseadingly...which was my first statement...a fact of TRUTH that you contine to ignore and justify with backwards logic.

[AcemanJones]

AlienBishop is bigoted against Americans and in speaking off topic.

[alienbishop]

u are wrong that he considered himself an "American", he was georgian man, born and grown up in georgian family in st petersburg, yes he did his most important things in usa and he was "epitome of American Dance" but it is about about American Dance! and ofcource that doesn't make him american, reason he was visiting georgia not too often was that georgia was uccupied by russians (was part of soviet union)

[AcemanJones]

Balanchine was an incredibly patriotic American. His nation of birth was Georgia and he quickly left it as soon as he could...and remained in the USA for the rest of his life. He disparaged Georgia and Russia and the entire Eastet Block many many times in many many interviews.

You might know a great deal about Georgia, but that is COMPLETELY NOT the subject! The subject here is Mr. Balanchine being used as a tag for this video.

You should do your homework on this matter.

[alienbishop]

he left goddamn soviet union, like many itelligent people, but fact that usa was giving much more possibilities of selfrealisation than russian ucupied georgia or soviet russia, cant change nationality! ofcource he disparaged SOVIET UNION! u just cant understand, what i am sayng! it was impossible to go out and in in soviet union like some tourist! and i am sure that any usa sources will try to hide origins of any tallented and fameous emigrants! and show them as much "americans" as possible!

[AcemanJones]

this should not be tagged "Balanchine".

[alienbishop]

yeah, maybe u are right, but i think it is because George Balanchine was also Georgian like this dancer. alot of people think that balanchine was russian. his real name was Giorgi Balanchivadze. he has brother Anton who was famous georgian composer, antons son Jarji is still living in georgia, he is also great composer and also sometimes choreographes performances with georgian ballet dancer using his own melodies (not sure, but maybe iven with this dancer)

[AcemanJones]

I'm quite sure that Balanchine considered himself an "American" across the board...he said this in almost every interview where it come up, he considered himself the epitome of American Dance.

Besides, anybody doing a search for "Balanchine" would not really be looking for "Georgian dancers", they would be looking for choreography by and in the technique of Balanchine.

[alienbishop]

and also sory i made mistake in previous post Balanchines brothers name was Andria and not Anton, and sory for my bad english, it's selflearned :)

[alienbishop]

i remember his Nephew Jarji Balanchivadze telling that when his uncle (Balanchine) visited them in georgia KGB guys were everywere around them. and olso he told me words of his uncle that he has american lifestile but georgian blood, worst thing is that many think that he was russian! so enaway am happy that beqause of your and myne replies and this video some people will learn that Balanchine was Georgian.

[AcemanJones]

I think it's wonderful that you're so interested in this great choreographer. You should read the biography by Bernie Taper. I had the honor of dancing in many of his works when I was a dancer with Miami City Ballet under Edward Villella.

That being said, I still feel this video sould not be tagged with a "

Balanchine" label. Perhaps you should change that to: "Georgian choreography"...but certainly not Balanchine.

[alienbishop]

how can i change something? :))) i have not uploaded it!

[AcemanJones]

Yes, sorry. I thought it was your video. My mistake.

[AcemanJones]

you could change something by agreeing that this video should not have been tagged Balanchine -which it should not have been, despite your continued lame excuses. Perhaps if enough of those EDUCATED about the art form of Mr. B and ballet in general posted objections to the tag, it would be changed.

[alienbishop]

it is very sad that evererybody think balanchine is russian. he was just georgian emigrant, like many other inteligent and tallanted geogians who had to go forever to europe or america beqause of this goddamn comunists!

[alienbishop]

u are wrong that he considered himself an "American", he was georgian man, born and grown up in georgian family in st petersburg, yes he did his most important things in usa and he was "epitome of American Dance" but it is about about American Dance! and ofcource that doesn't make him american, reason he was visiting georgia not too often was that georgia was uccupied by russians (was part of soviet union)

[AcemanJones]

You can read almost any biography about Balanchine and you will see hiis own comments that at the very least, he described himself as a Russian-American...but mostly as an American.

Of course he was Russian by birth. But he defected when he was 20 and did not return to his homeland for over 60 years.

[alienbishop]

what? russian noo! he was born in petersburg, but he was not russian! he was georgian! u know georgia, it is not russia! it si not iven slavian country, it is caucassian country with very old christian (orthodox) traditions and culture, i dont know what some american writers are writing about him, but he was georgian, not american and russian! if i go to america now it wont make mi american!

[AcemanJones]

I think you are showing a great education here about the Russian Geo-political and Social construct, but not enough about George Balanchine.

I recommend the biography by Bernard Taper and the other by Robert Gottlieb, both of whom worked on the board of NYCB and knew him professionally and personally.

There is also a video called "Suzanne Farrell: Elusive Muse", which is very revealing about Mr. B's views on this topic.

[alienbishop]

My GOD! i know his relatives personaly! they still live in georgia! Balanchins father Meliton Balanchivadze was Georgian Fameous Composer! Balanchine was not forgeting his roots and he managed to visit his family in Tbilisi (Georgias Capitol) twice during soviet times! in kutaisi (Georgia) is Meliton Balanchivadzes Opera and Ballet Theater! U know only his american side!

[AcemanJones]

Yes, that's because he did all of his work as an American citizen, in America.

I do not see how the fact that you know his family of well-known artists has any relation to why this vidoe should be tagged as Balanchine.

It should also be noted that George Balanchine did not have a single contact with his brother between 1924, when he left Russia, until 1978 when he returned on tour with the NYCB...and the meeting, by all acccounts, was highly obligatory and not sentimental in the least.

[alienbishop]

citizenship and nacionaity are two different things, as i understand u are american, and beqause your country has only 200 year history and most of people not knowing where thear grandgrandfathers grave is, and where thear roots are from, it is litle hard for u to understand that man from european country with one of the most old culture in europe, can't "turn" americans so easy, eniway i am not sure that u understand (nothing personal)

[AcemanJones]

I have no idea why knowing where my grandfather's grave might be or that America only has a 232 year old history would have anything to do with why this video was incorrectly tagged, which was my point.

Try to put your obvious cultural hostility aside and you'll agree: THIS VID SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN TAGGED "BALANCHINE". It's not his choreography or his choreographic style, and not using his technique. It's a poor attempt to get viewers to watch this vid, and anyone will see thru it.

[alienbishop]

the fact that " family of well-known artist" are georgians and live in georgia, is one of the signs that "well-known artist" was also georgian. and knowin his family is giving my opportunity to have some extra info about him (altough u dont have to have some extra info to know that Georgian is Georgian!) and i am not sure why video is taged balanchine, but i think it is beqause people around the world dont know much about georgia, and u have to tie it all together, makes sence for me

[AcemanJones]

You know, your comments are all well and good, and probably true. But my initial comment was only "this should not be tagged 'Balanchine'." You have done little to convince me otherwise.

As I've said, perhaps you know a good deal about the political, historical, and social culture and contributions of Georgians, it is also clear that you know little about ballet or about Balanchine's choreographic style.

It's also clear you don't know how to take a compliment or stay on topic. I'm done.

[alienbishop]

I am not Ballet Professional, i am architect, i jusy love ballet, but that has nothing to do with fact that Balanchine was Georgian, he just was, thats all ("choreographic style" cant change nationality). and it is very unprofessional iff Biography autor not mentionet his nationality and family history

[alienbishop]

i am not tryng to convince that this should BE tagged 'Balanchine'! i just think that person who uploaded it wanted to mention as much es possible about georgia. there are also noioradze and ananiashvili mentioned, and it is not mentioned that it has something to do with "he's choreographic style" and i dont need any copliments, i just want Georgian man not to be named american or something elce! he was georgian man who didi his work in usa, and this work belongs to usa but HE was Georgian!

[AcemanJonez]

That's kind of like posting a video of "Adolf Hitler" and labeling it "Albert Einstein" since they are both German-born.

It's manipulative and it's wrong.

And it's clear you and dancingsnail are the same account.

[alienbishop]

einstain was jew, and adolf hitler and he had different fields of work.

And it's NOT clear that me and dancingsnail are the same account, it is clear that i am georgian man who just wants people to know that balanchine was Georgian. and i contacted "dancingsnail" she is Georgian Woman.

[AcemanJones]

So you're saying that since this dancer and Balanchine were both dancers and both Georgian, the tag is correct?

Wanting people to know Balanchine is Georgian is not the purpose of youtube, that's what wikipedia is for.

Youtube tags are to describe the vid in question, and this is incorrectly tagged.

INCORRECTLY TAGGED.

INCORRECTLY TAGGED.

INCORRECTLY TAGGED.

INCORRECTLY TAGGED.

[alienbishop]

wrong info again, they had spent time also in his brothers house, where only one persone could see him except of his family, some policeman acting american guy, who has to follow him everywhere, and i dont know did he told somethind to some author of balanchines biography, or what he told them. and as i know, he visited his brother twice (not sure, i have to ask). and if this writers had contact to his family they could have alot of interresting info.

[AcemanJones]

That is not correct. He only visited the USSR on one occasion, in 1978, after defecting in 1924.

[alienbishop]

and ofcource, it was IMPOSIBLE to go back to soviet union! then he would lost eveertihing! u know what soviet union was!? but enevay he he has visited his relativs in georgia, his i know personaly his relatives, (family of his brother, andria, famous georgian composer) they sthey still living in georgia andrias grandson is talanted young painter he had exhibition in paris in last month.

[AcemanJones]

Perhaps instead of getting your facts from relatives (who may be trying to capitalize on Balanchine's renown), you should go to the library and pick up a book on the man. I have recommended two good and unbiased biographies already.

[alienbishop]

it is very wrong to say that about his relatives, u dont know them, his nephew is one of moust intelligent man i have ever met, he is not capitalizing on enithing, he is true artist and and his only thoughts are about music and art in general, and u cant make profit on artists name in georgia right now, country has hard times.

[AcemanJones]

You know, my father is a lawyer. Doesn't make me a lawyer. And my mother is in marketing. Doesn't make ME in marketing.

This video is labeled "George Balanchine" incorrectly and milseadingly...which was my first statement...a fact of TRUTH that you contine to ignore and justify with backwards logic.

The tag is misleading, unfair, and incorrect...as is your continued arguments supporting it. End of story.

[alienbishop]

i made some mistakes posting my reply (it was too large so i made it in 3 pieces) u have to count them from down to up