@BlankPicketSign it's not a matter of punishing someone for having their own opnion, it's a matter of actions leading to a reaction. basically consequences. if someone were to jump off a building and hit the ground straight on, that's not a punishment it's a result of that persons actions.
@BlankPicketSign well it's not 'gods', it's God. it's not about 'religion' but it's about a relationship. it's not about being 'logical and skeptical', it's about having and knowing Truth.
So If I don't have a Relationship with God, he is going to send me to hell?
Why am I reminded of an Evil Abusive Husband...
"My Darling Jessie, I love you... I love you with all my heart and soul. But if you so much as Look at another man, or leave me, or Divorce me. I will hunt you down and Kill you"
Your Fictional God is an evil, abusive, sadistic Bully =^_^=
@BlankPicketSign well it's not a situation of being sent to hell by 'God'. it's more of a situation of being in a place that isn't healthy or safe. God is saying, 'come over here where it is safe', and the response is 'no'. God is doing everything He can to bring us into a safe secure place, but our response is to turn away from Him and do our own thing.
@BlankPicketSign well according to the meaning or definition of the term 'will' which one of the meanings is, 'the desire, inclination, or choice of a person or group' which means that His desire would be in everything. which basically means that He would approve of everything that happens. that in itself is not true. you really have to know 'who' God is to understand 'how' He is. because people don't know Him, they end up having alot of misunderstood concepts of Him.
@BlankPicketSign well actually, God is not ultimately responsible for sending people to hell. as was mentioned before, if you don't know 'Who' God is, you don't know 'how' He is. God doesn't force anyone to do anything. that's why we've all been given the free will of choice. take for example, there's someone that you love very much drowning in the middle of a lake. you get in a boat to rescue them. as you get close, they tell you to get lost. you're a little taken back by the response, but...
@BlankPicketSign .....continue with the rescue effort. as they struggle in the water, you reach out your hand to pull them up. they pull out a gun and say,"if you don't leave now, i'll shoot." question for you. if that person drowns, did you drown them or did they drown themselves?
1: I do not wish to go to hell... Regardless of what you say, I would never choose to go to hell.
2: If I reject your God, and I go to hell, I am not making a "Choice". I am being Forced against my will as Punishment for not bowing down and becoming a Slave for a cosmic Dictator.
3: I have never seen any evidence of this God to begin with
Your attempts to facilitate Emotion from me is useless, Because I am thinking about this subject Rationally =^_^=
@BlankPicketSign nobody wishes to go to hell or choses to. as in the example, it's not a rational choice. it's an irrational choice .that's why there was an attempt to save the person from drowning. because you as the 'rescuer' have a better veiw and understanding of the situation (above the water from the boat) and they the 'rescuee' doesn't. because they're in the water and outside of the boat.
@BlankPicketSign well, it seems as though you're over thinking this. the concept with the 'gun' wasn't to portray a power shift, it was intended to clarify that God doesn't force anyone to do anything. even if a 'lasso' is used to save the person, if he doesn't want to be rescued then there's basically nothing that can be done. as for 'God sending athiest to heaven', how can Someone you don't believe in send send you to a place that you don't believe in?
@BlankPicketSign but your over looking an important point which was made earlier. 'God will not force you to do something that you don't want to do.' that's the key. going back to the example of the person being rescued and also the point of ' if you don't know Who He is, you don't know how He is'. if you don't want to get in the boat, He will not force you too. He'll do all that He can to convince you, but He WILL not force you.
@BlankPicketSign yes that is true. if you do love someone, you'll do everything within your power and authority to save them. that's why God sent Jesus. to do exactly that.
@BlankPicketSign that's possible. based upon historical situations. for example paul and cornelius both where in a position where they felt they were in the right and God stepped in Himself to show them an even better way.
@BlankPicketSign well it's great that you have the desire to help humanity as a whole. but it's alot more than that. there have been plenty of instances throughout history where people have had a moral obligation to help humanity and it's turned out for the worst. paul for example thought that the 'christians' in his time were spreading 'evil concepts' throughout the province and he decided to stop them by putting them in jail and....
@BlankPicketSign ...having them executed. in his mind, he was morally right. but over all he wasn't. God helps anyone who comes to Him to know what's right from what's wrong and enables humanity to get the help they trully need.
@BlankPicketSign that's true too. humans are going to be humans and religion no matter what form it takes doesn't really help. like you've mentioned, there have been killings by christian crusaders not only in the past but in the present. a good example is in ireland where catholics and protestants have such an intense divide that they have actual wars which have gone on for centuries. religion itself is just a combination of what God said mixed with what man wants. that's why....
@BlankPicketSign ...there are alot of similarities with so many religions. but God doesn't want us to be religiouse, he wants us to have a relationship with Him.
I'm no good with Long Distance Relationships... they never work out for me =^_^=
Once God shows up to me in person (and I am not hallucinating) then I will have a chat with him. Then I shall decide if He and I's Relationship will work out.
It's a good thing myths aren't real, or else this might actually be scary. Retelling fairytales about a place you've never been (hell) really does nothing to convince those of us who understand reality.
@ablle007 Why wouldn't i? No human can possibly answer that because it's always just human words, based on ancient myths, and no proof that's any more compelling than that of any other myth, ie Hinduism or Islam. At this point, nothing a human can say is trustworthy enough to prove a god or gods, so the next step is one of our human-invented gods to come down and declare their existence. But when all the stories about every god (Yahweh included) are contradictory messes, there's no credibility.
an athiest is on all terms of science which means they only believe in the laws of physics.they have to have complete proof of a broken law. its right in the centuar of our galaxy!!! a black hole!!!! it breaks the laws of physics single handedly!!!!
@mattmar826 the dictionary definition of a belief is ' a state or habit of mind in which trust or confidence is placed in some person or thing'. the 'thing' that they believe is that there is no God. hence that's their belief.
@mattmar826 well actually the lack of a belief is a belief in itself hence the term belief system. just because someone doesn't belive in something or someone doesn't mean they don't have a belief. it's quite the contrary. as for hate and threats, that is non existent in the animation. it's all about consequences or the ending result. so the animation bears the question, which is, if you're wrong, are you willing to face the consequences?
@ablle007 There is no belief system, there is no belief, there is only a lack of belief, which is the lack of belief in god. To be an atheist you don't need to have any beliefs at all, you just can't have the belief in god.
@mattmar826 the dictionary definition of a belief is ' a state or habit of mind in which trust or confidence is placed in some person or thing'. the 'thing' that they believe is that there is no God. hence that's their belief.
@ablle007The video bears the question, which is, if you're wrong, are you willing to face the consequences? Well, are you? We have no knowledge of the afterlife if there is one, our best guess is that we just lose consciousness. There are countless theories about the afterlife, you would be going to a hundred different hells if religions were true. Are you willing to accept the consequences? Instead of living your life you made a video about people burning in hell?
@mattmar826 of course you would be going to " a hundred different hells if religions are true." that's why it's not about a religion, it's about a relationship. whoever you follow is where you'll end up. whether you accept it or not, everybody is following somebody even if it's yourself.
@ablle007 I'm a little confused. Is it about whoever you follow, whatever you believe is true? Sounds almost solipsistic, is that really what you mean? Or are you trying to say that your not wrong, your right about hell, and people of other religions belief's are false? If so, why?
@mattmar826 i can only speak from personal experience. i was diagnosed with a terminal illness at a young age and i was prayed for in Christ name. that was 15yrs ago and i've never had a reoccurance. i've been to physicals and the docters can't find a trace. not only that, but on a broader scale, if you look around you can see God's hand print all over nature .
@mattmar826 thanks for the sentiments. it's not really a situation of eternal damnation for a lack of belief. it's more along the lines of whatever road anyones on is where they'll end up. you can't get directions to a desert and expect to end up at a grocery store.
@ablle007 Okay then. You believe that a person's disbelieve will send them to a hell, and you want to help them. Well as a non believer, thanks for the concern. A little bit of advise to help you get non believers off their path: the reason they don't believe is because there is no reason to do so. Give them just a thread of reasoning towards the existence of your god and hell and they won't take your video as a empty and hateful threat of eternal damnation, as I did.
@mattmar826 why would you want scientific evidence. sceintifc evidence is quite faulty. good example, for years we were taught that we were in a solar system with 9 planets. now it's been 'proven' that pluto is just a 'dwarf' planet and is no longer classified as a planet. so now we have 8. so how concrete can scientific evidence be?
@ablle007 I believe that the pluto thing was a change or refinement in definition, not as much a fault. To be honest, there is nothing more scary to me than a person denying science. There is nothing in this world you can trust more than science, not even your own perception. Science IS humanity's way of attaining knowledge, it is humanity's collective knowledge, to deny science is to deny what we know as reality. Denying science is insane, and there is no sane excuse.
@mattmar826 it's not a matter of denying science. science is mans attempt to understand his surrondings which is not a problem. the problem is putting complete trust in something that is faulty. that's like trying to sail across the world in a boat filled with holes. yes the boat is tangible and it is proven that it can float, but until the holes are fixed it's not going anywhere.
@ablle007 But that boat with holes is the best boat we have. There is literally nothing you can trust more than science. Science is our strongest collective grasp on reality.
@ablle007 That's because science improves upon itself. It keeps getting better, learns more about things, and keeps refining itself. All scientific theories (evolution included) are supported by mountains of verifiable evidence. Religion doesn't have any theories, because there's never any verifiable evidence. Religion is just unsupported hypotheses that don't require reality, often trying to avoid real study of the world just to maintain belief in that which is, in all likelihood, imaginary.
@ablle007 Unbiased studies show that prayer does not increase nor decrease the chances of fighting illness. Your doctors deserve the credit. I was diagnosed with a Leukemia. I possibly had christian friends paying for me, i definitely had wiccan/pagan friends sending vibes to the universe for me as well. (which i also don't believe in, but respect a lot more because they won't hate you for not believing like many christians in my life have done) But the thing that cured me was chemotherapy.
@ablle007 Ah yes. Well, this is a fantasy video because it's use of supernatural forms as a primary element, in case you didn't know what fantasy means. And truly a sick fantasy if I understand corrently, a person going to a hell because of a lack of belief? Seems very spiteful to me.
@mattmar826 well it's not to spite anyone who has a lack of belief. if you examine athiesm closely, they have a belief. the only point that this animation brings out is if that belief system is wrong, are you willing to face the consequences.
@ablle007 No, he means that a god who would set up a completely unforgiving system of sending someone to hell, where they are tortured FOREVER, simply because they didn't love him enough, nor acknowledged his existence, because he himself chooses to hide from us, is a very spiteful and mean spirited god. It is the very definition Unforgiving and Evil. I don't want a relationship with a god who would act like a narcissistic dictator who doesn't care if i'm good or kind if i don't believe in him.
My family is catholic, but I really don't have much knowledge about gods and religions, but I do know that there's more than one, so what are you trying to say? If I don't believe in a certain good and holy god, the bad and evil good of one particular religion will punish me? But, what about the other gods of the other religions? Will it be like an auction and the higher bidder gets me? WTF!!!!
Okay, but you didn't answer my question. Instead of religion plug in relationship and I still have the question; What will the other gods (other relationship I didn't have) do when they find out that I didn't have them in my "Fave Five" and had no kind of love or need for said relationship.
SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!! Seriously, shut the fuck up and take down this pointless video, I can't wait for you to die and realize there isn't anything other than Earth, we will rot in....... the GROUND!!
@ablle007 All gods (Yahweh included) are a product of the human imagination, including all relationships to gods. A belief in a god, or a "relationship" with a god is also, by definition, a Religion. Fancy wordplay can't hide that from people who are willing to think. But this person's question still stands, even though he went off the deep end too quickly and just got angry and insulting. I'm trying not to do that, but when you dodge questions with wordplay, it really doesn't help your case.
it's just a simple concept that states that if your belief system is wrong are you willing to face the consequences. it's similar to, 'if you don't beleive in gravity are you willing to jump off of a building and live (or die) with the results.
That's not what you're saying. You're talking about 'reality' and displaying myths and legends. Can you demonstrate that they are more than legends? Do you worry about the consequences of disobeying the thousands of gods humanity has thought up in its history?
@Cafeeine i think that's where the problem lies. you assume that God is made up due to the fact that mankind has made up so many (which is true). but the fact remains that amoung all the counterfeits there's always a legitimate.
@Cafeeine you want proof? look around you. the proof is staring you right in the face. the trees, the birds, the seas. that's the proof. these things just didn't show up on their own.
I'm seeing a lot of assertions, but no actual evidence. You're still trying to get me to take your word that your god exists and that it is responsible for the universe. Why are the trees proof of *your* god, and not, say Zeus? Because you say so? Because the Bible says so? That's not evidence, that's hearsay.
I'm not the one making claims that cannot be demonstrated. I consider your god story as likely as any of the other thousands of god stories.Your personal incredulity at the origin of the world around you is not a reason to pick one of the mythologies mankind has dreamt up and proclaim its truth.
If you want to claim that *your* mythology is in fact true, you have to do more than tell me to look at trees. Trees do not prove heavens, hells, angels or goblins.
Grouping God into a bunch of mytholigical man made concepts is a mistake that alot of people seem to make. It's not the first time it has happened. It's actually happenened alot. A particular historical event that i can recall was with a particular person by the name of elijah and the prophets of another god called baal. we know how that turned out.
We do? How? By explicitly accepting one mythology on its face while calling the others false?
Remember that Athena fought Poseidon for the patronage of a great Greek city. Don't believe me? The city still stands and it still Athens. Thats a better marker of truth than the story of Elijah has, even if I don't believe either.
that's understandable, but you still seem to be grouping God into the category of mythology. it does seem confusing because there are so many man made religions and ideologies but that's when a personal experience makes all the difference. i was suffering from tuberculosis and actually died from it. during one of those episodes, a friend prayed for me in Jesus' name and i was healed. that was 15 yrs ago. never had another instance since. that's one of many instances.
You know what the two main problems of subjective experience are? First, its subjective. If I, say, had a vision of the above Athena story, it would never convince you of its veracity. Second, the experience and its interpretation are two different things. There are news stories where parents claim Allah wrote his name in the flesh of their children. What is more probable, that you and they are either lying or mistaken, or that the order of the universe was overturned in your favor? (cont.)
sorry, but i don't know who kara neumann or his/ her parents are. i can just tell you of my own personal experience and the things that i've been through. you seem pretty knowledgable about different cultural beliefs which is a step in the right direction. you just need to go a step further. remember, 'you will know the truth and the truth will lead to freedom.'
Thanks for the compliment. It is my opinion however that I have moved possibly a step further than you. I was raised in a Christian faith and have gotten beyond it. I'm sorry to say nothing you have said has been original, that I haven't seen and rejected.
You should google Kara Neumann. You'll get a better picture of her story than my 500 chr comments will give you.
The first point of realization was that I met many people who held to their beliefs, as fervently as you hold on to your own, and yet believed in mutually exclusive things. This was in my teens, when I adopted the 'agnostic' label but was still looking and still believed a god existed. By my early 20s, I fell to a generic christian belief, in spite of my open confusing questions (cont.)
(1) and remained that way until I passed 30, at which point I first seriously considered the idea that a god as believed by most people might not exist, and there were plausible answers to my open questions. At that point I abandoned belief in god. I do not consider any gods I've had described to me real, and I see no evidence of any other god existing. I've never felt I had a 'relationship' with God and from the descriptions I've heard make think its nothing more than self-suggestion.
(2) To preempt any objections, I never felt rejected by God, I never felt hatred for Him. At the times when I believed, God was not a burden, nor a taskmaster. He was simply incomprehensible, until I figured out why.
This was the end result of a long process of thoughts, that all converged on my conclusion.
that's understandable, but from what you've said, you asked "people" about God so obviously "people" are going to give you there opinions based upon what they know or have experienced. so to get passed all the second hand information, you need to go to the source. it's like hearing about an accident or event from someone who heard it from someone, who heard it from someone else. the story always changes as it's passed on.
Yes, but what is the source? Is it the Bible? I read the Bible as a child. Being Greek, I was taught the original koine NT, as well as the Septuagint, and it didn't make a difference. If anything it highlighted the similarities with other stories of legend.
If you mean God himself, I can say I gave it an honest try. As a child I used to talk to God, but he never answered back. During my 'agnostic' teen phase I often asked God, if he was real, to give me a sign. (cont.)
(1) When I returned to belief in my 20's it was more of a reconciliation with the fact that so many believers can't be wrong and to just stop looking. I spent over 25 years of believing that God exists before even considering that he might not. To hear apologists on this matter, I didn't ask sincerely enough or 'through the heart', but that's just evasions. I would have accepted a lot less back then than I would now mind you, yet I got nothing.
(2) Now I know more about the world and the way our brain works, It would take almost impossible evidence to convince me a god exists, and that god wouldn't be yhwh, who's logically impossible (if *all* the HB is infallible.)
Furthermore, that still doesn't explain the millions who sincerely pray to a god and he answers them according to their personal faith. You never hear a devout Hindu praying to Vishnu and receiving a response from Yahweh, Jesus or Allah (or the inverse).
it seems as though you have really tried to seek the truth about God. that's really commendable. that's one thing i do know about God. anyone who has sought Him out, He has never forsaken them. pretty similar to cornelius or paul the apostle. i'm not saying that God's going to meet you on the road or have an angel appear to you,but i do know that anyone who has sincerely tried to know and understand God like yourself,
I appreciate the sentiment. From my part, I hope that, whether you keep believing, or you come to a conclusion similar to my own, that you remain content with yourself and happy for the rest of your life.
@ablle007 Not including one of the many gods along with all of the others as being fictitious until proven is a mistake too many people make, and often causes more hatefulness and conflict in the long run, because people are telling other people to do things based on something no one has proven. And when people don't agree with what their being forced with, they will fight back because there is no way to prove any religion or "relationship" with any gods above any other.
@ablle007 All that proves evolution, too. It proves the Hindu gods, because they were also said to be responsible for the beauty of trees, birds and seas. And yes, they did show up on their own through billions of years of incremental accumulation of particles interacting with each other due to atomic attraction and chemical reaction. This is supported by mountains of verifiable evidence. Any god still has yet to show even a mark of influencing anything that nature hasn't already done first.
lol Christianity. Athiests are the truly enlighten ones.
"Some cling to the cross because they are tired an lost". I don't need need a crutch like a majority of these feeble minded people. Time to grow a backbone and stop believing in myths and most of all stop allowing irrational concsequences rule your life. Expand your mind pick up anything but a bible ( best selling fiction book of all time).
@ablle007 How do you know it as fact? It's just a bunch of combined tales that Christians have compiled and ripped off of previous writings and religions. They change a couple names and keep the same concepts and even symbols. To believe the bible is 100% TRUTH or even .0001% is absurd. Eve came from Adam's rib and there's a big fairy in the sky who has already chosen your destiny. That convinces you that it is fact? LOL
@ablle007 Well I guess there's no real way of solidifying what is written in a bible just as there is no way of finding who really wrote the Odyssey. I believe that scientists as a collective community are saving people and finding ways around diseases and that plant geneticists are working to solve world hunger. That is more appealing to me and seems more true than a lone man breaking bread and magically feeding everyone and healing the blind/ bringing back the dead with his powers.
how do we know that alexander the great conquered most of the known world at that time? how do we know that there are 8 planets besides earth? how do we know that the air is made up of oxygen molecules? simple. people did research and discovered these facts. it's the same with the Bible. how do you know that it's not fact?
@ablle007 We know Alexander the great conquered most of the known world because most of the known world recorded his actions. There are maybe 2 credible sources outside of the bible who even acknowledge that a "Christ" may have walked the earth. 2 historians against hundreds of historians. Also, those nations at the time credited Alexander the Great as being the Son of God (Jupiter, at the time) because he was such a good, successful ruler. No other culture even acknowledged Jesus' existence.
@ablle007 Because most of the stories and important historical events that happened in the bible are not supported by history, even the unbiased historians of the time who wrote down everything. In fact most of the stories in the bible can be proven to be false simply due to who existed when, and how the bible often even mistakes places and times from one book to the next, while contradicting itself on many moral issues throughout. When a book can have that many errors, it is time to close it.
yah, that's come across my mind a few times too. but when i look at the fact that so much of what the bible talks about is actually happening now it's really astounding! so many people had a hand in writting this book and most of them didn't even know each other and it still all ties in together.man! that is something else!
@ablle007 An appeal to prophecy is an argument already defeated. Anyone with a good idea about human nature, plus knowledge of recent or ancient history can make all sorts of prophecies. Plus, for every prophecy that "comes true" there are a thousand that don't even leave the floor. Speculation by early peoples based on human nature and the history of their people will always be able to make credible prophecies. It's human nature, we repeat ourselves!
I think the person who made the video was trying to make a point that you can't escape hell "no do overs" once you've made the choices you choose to make you can't be like..."well I didn't know". No excuses.
First of all this has to be the worst animated video on youtube. Second, no matter how much fear and terror you try to use to get people to believe in something for which you have no evidence of, you should know that people are not afraid of things they don't believe exist. Are you afraid of being eaten by the giant pink invisible dragon that lives outside your house?
yeah, the animation isn't the best, but it gets the point across and the point isn't fear. the point is in the description of the video. if someone doesn't believe in the truth, are they ready to face the consequences. by the way i like pink fluffy dragons. rock on!
whoa, whoa. take it easy there buddy. no need to get your boxers in a bundle. there is no contradiction there, just plan ol' basic facts.and if you feel it's all just delusions, why get so upset hmmmmm.
These are pixels and if you can hear anything from me, let me suggest it is your inner narrative voice that adds the emotion into the emotionless text you are reading.
Unless you are telepathic, you have no idea what emotion I have.
come now, 'the pen is mighter than the sword'. the words that are written are a sign of what is actually wanting to be portrayed through emotion. hence your relentless pursuit of determining the sanity that you feel is in question.
I claim your madness due to your abstract view on reality which is posonified in your production.
You might like to study psychology before entering into this confusion, or attempt, to link the term you mentioned to my emotional status.
Again, I will repeat, you have absolutely no idea what my emotions are based on any selection of texts, BUT, I have every view into your emotion and rationality, by your reaction, and objection, to my replies.
you said you have "every view" into my emotion and rationality due to the reaction to your replies. it seems to me that you're alot more upset than what you actually want to believe. if you weren't, you wouldn't continue to pursue the conversation in such a determined manner.
Further, it is a known fact, that one's inner voice 'translates' texts in any manner of ways. No two translations, of text, will be the same due to the influence of that unique humans perception, of what the text means, as it appeals to their own psyche and not to the psyche of the writer.
Hence why I do not try to tag an emotion to your texts, but your actions.
You believe in Hell - you are irrational by seeking the acceptance into Heaven by avoiding Hell and projecting Hell onward
You guys need to seriously take a big break. Whether you believe in a place that is entitled hell or not. There is a place that is separate from God for those who do not accept his only begotten son, Jesus whom he (God) sent to this earth to die for all mankind. Whether you call it Sheol or whatever. Any place dark, fiery, or simply absent from the love of God why would anyone want to spend an eternity in a place like that?
thumbed down. fear and guilt only works on the indoctronated. terrible attempt at, well your guess is as good as mine.
kram83au 7 months ago
@kram83au everything we do in life bears a consequence
ablle007 7 months ago
What program do you use to make these? Good job by the way!
YoungB0ne 1 year ago
@YoungB0ne thanks. we used the blender program. it's a free online program. you can download it at
ablle007 1 year ago
@YoungB0ne for some reason youtube won't allow me to put up the link to blenders site. But you can just google blender and it will pull up the site
ablle007 1 year ago
If anyone punishes someone because of that persons Opinion, then that person is Evil.
If "god" were to punish me for my opinion, he is equally as Evil.
I am not afraid to die, Nor am I afraid of any Fictional god =^_^=
Also, the maker of this video has never been to a REAL Free Thought Convention =^_^=
BlankPicketSign 1 year ago
@BlankPicketSign it's not a matter of punishing someone for having their own opnion, it's a matter of actions leading to a reaction. basically consequences. if someone were to jump off a building and hit the ground straight on, that's not a punishment it's a result of that persons actions.
ablle007 1 year ago
@ablle007
So, How is Not believing in gods an Action?
How is Not being Convinced by religious people an Action?
How is being a logical, skeptical human being an "Action"?
BlankPicketSign 1 year ago
@BlankPicketSign well it's not 'gods', it's God. it's not about 'religion' but it's about a relationship. it's not about being 'logical and skeptical', it's about having and knowing Truth.
ablle007 1 year ago
@ablle007
So If I don't have a Relationship with God, he is going to send me to hell?
Why am I reminded of an Evil Abusive Husband...
"My Darling Jessie, I love you... I love you with all my heart and soul. But if you so much as Look at another man, or leave me, or Divorce me. I will hunt you down and Kill you"
Your Fictional God is an evil, abusive, sadistic Bully =^_^=
BlankPicketSign 1 year ago
@BlankPicketSign well it's not a situation of being sent to hell by 'God'. it's more of a situation of being in a place that isn't healthy or safe. God is saying, 'come over here where it is safe', and the response is 'no'. God is doing everything He can to bring us into a safe secure place, but our response is to turn away from Him and do our own thing.
ablle007 1 year ago
@ablle007
May I ask you a question?
Here goes...
Is there Anything (even the smallest thing) that does NOT happen according to God's Will?
Is God's Will in everything?
I am asking honestly, I am trying to get a better understanding of our conversation =^_^=
BlankPicketSign 1 year ago
@BlankPicketSign well according to the meaning or definition of the term 'will' which one of the meanings is, 'the desire, inclination, or choice of a person or group' which means that His desire would be in everything. which basically means that He would approve of everything that happens. that in itself is not true. you really have to know 'who' God is to understand 'how' He is. because people don't know Him, they end up having alot of misunderstood concepts of Him.
ablle007 1 year ago
@ablle007
Very nice definition of the word 'will'. =^_^=
Does God control all the aspects of the afterlife, including the criteria by which Souls are Judged?
BlankPicketSign 1 year ago
@BlankPicketSign according to what is written, yes He does.
ablle007 1 year ago
@ablle007
Ok, Then he is ultimately responsible for sending people to Hell.
This is not loving! This is not kind! This is not Justice!
This is the mentality of an Evil Dictator, And I do not want anything to do with your god =^_^=
If I was God, I would NEVER punish someone for their religious beliefs.
I would NEVER torture someone for saying my name in vain
I would NEVER force someone to worship me... or even LIKE me
I wouldn't care if people believed in me or not.
=^_^=
BlankPicketSign 1 year ago
@BlankPicketSign well actually, God is not ultimately responsible for sending people to hell. as was mentioned before, if you don't know 'Who' God is, you don't know 'how' He is. God doesn't force anyone to do anything. that's why we've all been given the free will of choice. take for example, there's someone that you love very much drowning in the middle of a lake. you get in a boat to rescue them. as you get close, they tell you to get lost. you're a little taken back by the response, but...
ablle007 1 year ago
@BlankPicketSign .....continue with the rescue effort. as they struggle in the water, you reach out your hand to pull them up. they pull out a gun and say,"if you don't leave now, i'll shoot." question for you. if that person drowns, did you drown them or did they drown themselves?
ablle007 1 year ago
@ablle007
Your example fails for many reasons
1: I do not wish to go to hell... Regardless of what you say, I would never choose to go to hell.
2: If I reject your God, and I go to hell, I am not making a "Choice". I am being Forced against my will as Punishment for not bowing down and becoming a Slave for a cosmic Dictator.
3: I have never seen any evidence of this God to begin with
Your attempts to facilitate Emotion from me is useless, Because I am thinking about this subject Rationally =^_^=
BlankPicketSign 1 year ago
@BlankPicketSign nobody wishes to go to hell or choses to. as in the example, it's not a rational choice. it's an irrational choice .that's why there was an attempt to save the person from drowning. because you as the 'rescuer' have a better veiw and understanding of the situation (above the water from the boat) and they the 'rescuee' doesn't. because they're in the water and outside of the boat.
ablle007 1 year ago
@ablle007
Your example FURTHER fails by the "Gun" example.
By using the "Pulls out a Pistol" line, you have switched the rolls of Power.
Now the one Drowning is the powerful person, and the Rescuer is Powerless!
So are you saying an Atheist is more Powerful then God???
Remove the gun from your example and it falls apart.
The Rescuer can just Throw a Lasso over the Drowning Man and drag him in the boat.
God CAN send an Atheist to Heaven, he just does not because he is Up Tight and Selfish
=^_^=
BlankPicketSign 1 year ago
@BlankPicketSign well, it seems as though you're over thinking this. the concept with the 'gun' wasn't to portray a power shift, it was intended to clarify that God doesn't force anyone to do anything. even if a 'lasso' is used to save the person, if he doesn't want to be rescued then there's basically nothing that can be done. as for 'God sending athiest to heaven', how can Someone you don't believe in send send you to a place that you don't believe in?
ablle007 1 year ago
@ablle007
"how can Someone you don't believe in send send you to a place that you don't believe in?"
This is funny =^_^=
In the 1100's, America wasn't discovered yet, and Europeans didn't believe there was more outside of the world they knew.
If I traveled back in time, I could transport a European of 1100 to America, regardless if he believed me or not
If something EXISTS, it doesn't matter what someone "Believes" it still Exists
So regardless of my belief, your god can still bring me to Heaven
BlankPicketSign 1 year ago
@BlankPicketSign but your over looking an important point which was made earlier. 'God will not force you to do something that you don't want to do.' that's the key. going back to the example of the person being rescued and also the point of ' if you don't know Who He is, you don't know how He is'. if you don't want to get in the boat, He will not force you too. He'll do all that He can to convince you, but He WILL not force you.
ablle007 1 year ago
@ablle007
My parents love me very much. They are always looking out for me.
I use to run with a very bad crowd in Highschool, these kids were into smoking, drugs, breaking stuff. The usual.
I saw this group as my inner circle friends.
My parents knew better then I, and forced me to go to a private school, I hated them for about a Year.
Then I learn one of my friends was arrested for drugs.
If you love someone, you will save them Regardless if they don't want to be saved.
Your God is Wrong =^_^=
BlankPicketSign 1 year ago
@BlankPicketSign yes that is true. if you do love someone, you'll do everything within your power and authority to save them. that's why God sent Jesus. to do exactly that.
ablle007 1 year ago
@ablle007
"that's why God sent Jesus"
So, I ask one more time.
Will God send an Atheist to heaven, to Save Him?
BlankPicketSign 1 year ago
@BlankPicketSign you mean to prove to the athiest that He (God) is real?
ablle007 1 year ago
@ablle007
You didn't answer my question =^_^=
So I ask once more
Will God send an Atheist (someone who does not believe, or rejects him) to heaven, to Save the Atheist?
BlankPicketSign 1 year ago
@BlankPicketSign that's possible. based upon historical situations. for example paul and cornelius both where in a position where they felt they were in the right and God stepped in Himself to show them an even better way.
ablle007 1 year ago
@ablle007
Ok! so, if God is both capable and willing to send an Atheist to heaven, then Why should I believe?
I am perfectly happy to live a peaceful, helpful, unselfish life for the improvement and safety of all human kind, Without believing in gods
=^_^=
BlankPicketSign 1 year ago
@BlankPicketSign well it's great that you have the desire to help humanity as a whole. but it's alot more than that. there have been plenty of instances throughout history where people have had a moral obligation to help humanity and it's turned out for the worst. paul for example thought that the 'christians' in his time were spreading 'evil concepts' throughout the province and he decided to stop them by putting them in jail and....
ablle007 1 year ago
@BlankPicketSign ...having them executed. in his mind, he was morally right. but over all he wasn't. God helps anyone who comes to Him to know what's right from what's wrong and enables humanity to get the help they trully need.
ablle007 1 year ago
@ablle007
Being religious does not make you perfectly moral.
Look at the Crusades, and the Inquisition, and The Phelps Family.
Christians have repeatedly made mistakes and done horrific acts in the name in their god.
In the end, I have found that most Christians have been the most Selfish, self righteous, bigoted, mean, judgmental people I've ever met.
I've met Pagans, Atheists, and others, that have been more kind, supportive, and loving.
Humans are Humans, religious or otherwise =^_^=
BlankPicketSign 1 year ago
@BlankPicketSign that's true too. humans are going to be humans and religion no matter what form it takes doesn't really help. like you've mentioned, there have been killings by christian crusaders not only in the past but in the present. a good example is in ireland where catholics and protestants have such an intense divide that they have actual wars which have gone on for centuries. religion itself is just a combination of what God said mixed with what man wants. that's why....
ablle007 1 year ago
@BlankPicketSign ...there are alot of similarities with so many religions. but God doesn't want us to be religiouse, he wants us to have a relationship with Him.
ablle007 1 year ago
@ablle007
I'm no good with Long Distance Relationships... they never work out for me =^_^=
Once God shows up to me in person (and I am not hallucinating) then I will have a chat with him. Then I shall decide if He and I's Relationship will work out.
Until then, Happy Holidays! =^_^=
BlankPicketSign 1 year ago
@BlankPicketSign well sounds like a plan and Merry Christmas :-)
ablle007 1 year ago
Sweet! It looks like the volcano levels in Mario 64! I'd be beating ass.. that's what I'd do.
atomicwave 1 year ago
@atomicwave lol.
ablle007 1 year ago
It's a good thing myths aren't real, or else this might actually be scary. Retelling fairytales about a place you've never been (hell) really does nothing to convince those of us who understand reality.
limegreensquid 1 year ago
@limegreensquid why do you feel it's a myth?
ablle007 1 year ago
@ablle007 Why wouldn't i? No human can possibly answer that because it's always just human words, based on ancient myths, and no proof that's any more compelling than that of any other myth, ie Hinduism or Islam. At this point, nothing a human can say is trustworthy enough to prove a god or gods, so the next step is one of our human-invented gods to come down and declare their existence. But when all the stories about every god (Yahweh included) are contradictory messes, there's no credibility.
limegreensquid 1 year ago
an athiest is on all terms of science which means they only believe in the laws of physics.they have to have complete proof of a broken law. its right in the centuar of our galaxy!!! a black hole!!!! it breaks the laws of physics single handedly!!!!
kick808gs 1 year ago
@kick808gs uuhhmmm....ok.
ablle007 1 year ago
@ablle007 lol
kick808gs 1 year ago
@kick808gs :-)
ablle007 1 year ago
It's slow, but kinda fun to watch.
By the by, what did that last sign say? I couldn't read it.
realphake 1 year ago
@realphake o. the last sign said, 'sorry, no do overs.'
ablle007 1 year ago
@ablle007 That's pretty cool. :)
realphake 1 year ago
@realphake thanx :)
ablle007 1 year ago
@mattmar826 the dictionary definition of a belief is ' a state or habit of mind in which trust or confidence is placed in some person or thing'. the 'thing' that they believe is that there is no God. hence that's their belief.
ablle007 1 year ago
@mattmar826 well actually the lack of a belief is a belief in itself hence the term belief system. just because someone doesn't belive in something or someone doesn't mean they don't have a belief. it's quite the contrary. as for hate and threats, that is non existent in the animation. it's all about consequences or the ending result. so the animation bears the question, which is, if you're wrong, are you willing to face the consequences?
ablle007 1 year ago
@ablle007 There is no belief system, there is no belief, there is only a lack of belief, which is the lack of belief in god. To be an atheist you don't need to have any beliefs at all, you just can't have the belief in god.
mattmar826 1 year ago
@mattmar826 the dictionary definition of a belief is ' a state or habit of mind in which trust or confidence is placed in some person or thing'. the 'thing' that they believe is that there is no God. hence that's their belief.
ablle007 1 year ago
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@ablle007The video bears the question, which is, if you're wrong, are you willing to face the consequences? Well, are you? We have no knowledge of the afterlife if there is one, our best guess is that we just lose consciousness. There are countless theories about the afterlife, you would be going to a hundred different hells if religions were true. Are you willing to accept the consequences? Instead of living your life you made a video about people burning in hell?
mattmar826 1 year ago
@mattmar826 of course you would be going to " a hundred different hells if religions are true." that's why it's not about a religion, it's about a relationship. whoever you follow is where you'll end up. whether you accept it or not, everybody is following somebody even if it's yourself.
ablle007 1 year ago
@ablle007 I'm a little confused. Is it about whoever you follow, whatever you believe is true? Sounds almost solipsistic, is that really what you mean? Or are you trying to say that your not wrong, your right about hell, and people of other religions belief's are false? If so, why?
mattmar826 1 year ago
@mattmar826 i can only speak from personal experience. i was diagnosed with a terminal illness at a young age and i was prayed for in Christ name. that was 15yrs ago and i've never had a reoccurance. i've been to physicals and the docters can't find a trace. not only that, but on a broader scale, if you look around you can see God's hand print all over nature .
ablle007 1 year ago
@ablle007 I don't think that a belief of lack of deserves eternal damnation, and I'm happy that you are okay.
mattmar826 1 year ago
@mattmar826 thanks for the sentiments. it's not really a situation of eternal damnation for a lack of belief. it's more along the lines of whatever road anyones on is where they'll end up. you can't get directions to a desert and expect to end up at a grocery store.
ablle007 1 year ago
@ablle007 Doesn't seem to be a difference. "Whatever road(atheism) anyone's on is where they'll end up(hell)."
mattmar826 1 year ago
@mattmar826 and that's the road we're trying to get people off of.
ablle007 1 year ago
@ablle007 Okay then. You believe that a person's disbelieve will send them to a hell, and you want to help them. Well as a non believer, thanks for the concern. A little bit of advise to help you get non believers off their path: the reason they don't believe is because there is no reason to do so. Give them just a thread of reasoning towards the existence of your god and hell and they won't take your video as a empty and hateful threat of eternal damnation, as I did.
mattmar826 1 year ago
@mattmar826 when you the phrase ' a just thread of reasoning ' what exactly do you mean? reasoning that applys to you or just reasoning in general?
ablle007 1 year ago
@ablle007 Properly documented emperical evidence that is in accordance with the scientific method would be best. Proof, justification, ya know.
mattmar826 1 year ago
@mattmar826 why would you want scientific evidence. sceintifc evidence is quite faulty. good example, for years we were taught that we were in a solar system with 9 planets. now it's been 'proven' that pluto is just a 'dwarf' planet and is no longer classified as a planet. so now we have 8. so how concrete can scientific evidence be?
ablle007 1 year ago
@ablle007 I believe that the pluto thing was a change or refinement in definition, not as much a fault. To be honest, there is nothing more scary to me than a person denying science. There is nothing in this world you can trust more than science, not even your own perception. Science IS humanity's way of attaining knowledge, it is humanity's collective knowledge, to deny science is to deny what we know as reality. Denying science is insane, and there is no sane excuse.
mattmar826 1 year ago
@mattmar826 it's not a matter of denying science. science is mans attempt to understand his surrondings which is not a problem. the problem is putting complete trust in something that is faulty. that's like trying to sail across the world in a boat filled with holes. yes the boat is tangible and it is proven that it can float, but until the holes are fixed it's not going anywhere.
ablle007 1 year ago
@ablle007 But that boat with holes is the best boat we have. There is literally nothing you can trust more than science. Science is our strongest collective grasp on reality.
mattmar826 1 year ago
@mattmar826 that's true to a certain extent. science can only reveal what our own limited minds can comprehend and at times it is still faulty.
ablle007 1 year ago
@ablle007 That's because science improves upon itself. It keeps getting better, learns more about things, and keeps refining itself. All scientific theories (evolution included) are supported by mountains of verifiable evidence. Religion doesn't have any theories, because there's never any verifiable evidence. Religion is just unsupported hypotheses that don't require reality, often trying to avoid real study of the world just to maintain belief in that which is, in all likelihood, imaginary.
limegreensquid 1 year ago
@ablle007 Unbiased studies show that prayer does not increase nor decrease the chances of fighting illness. Your doctors deserve the credit. I was diagnosed with a Leukemia. I possibly had christian friends paying for me, i definitely had wiccan/pagan friends sending vibes to the universe for me as well. (which i also don't believe in, but respect a lot more because they won't hate you for not believing like many christians in my life have done) But the thing that cured me was chemotherapy.
limegreensquid 1 year ago
@mattmar826 fantasy?
ablle007 1 year ago
@ablle007 - Can't find my original comment, what did I say?
mattmar826 1 year ago
@mattmar826 you said, "what a sick fantacy."
ablle007 1 year ago
@ablle007 Ah yes. Well, this is a fantasy video because it's use of supernatural forms as a primary element, in case you didn't know what fantasy means. And truly a sick fantasy if I understand corrently, a person going to a hell because of a lack of belief? Seems very spiteful to me.
mattmar826 1 year ago
@mattmar826 well it's not to spite anyone who has a lack of belief. if you examine athiesm closely, they have a belief. the only point that this animation brings out is if that belief system is wrong, are you willing to face the consequences.
ablle007 1 year ago
@ablle007 No, he means that a god who would set up a completely unforgiving system of sending someone to hell, where they are tortured FOREVER, simply because they didn't love him enough, nor acknowledged his existence, because he himself chooses to hide from us, is a very spiteful and mean spirited god. It is the very definition Unforgiving and Evil. I don't want a relationship with a god who would act like a narcissistic dictator who doesn't care if i'm good or kind if i don't believe in him.
limegreensquid 1 year ago
wow! good editing,effects,sound and you put yr oun style!! i love it! great job ablle007!!!
51Coolkid 1 year ago
wow! thanx. this is the first positive comment that we've had on this video. FINALLY!!!
ablle007 1 year ago
@ablle007 its cool maybe we can make a video together !
51Coolkid 1 year ago
@51Coolkid sounds like an idea.
ablle007 1 year ago
My family is catholic, but I really don't have much knowledge about gods and religions, but I do know that there's more than one, so what are you trying to say? If I don't believe in a certain good and holy god, the bad and evil good of one particular religion will punish me? But, what about the other gods of the other religions? Will it be like an auction and the higher bidder gets me? WTF!!!!
chillmeister509 2 years ago
it's not about a religion, it's all about a relationship.
ablle007 2 years ago
Okay, but you didn't answer my question. Instead of religion plug in relationship and I still have the question; What will the other gods (other relationship I didn't have) do when they find out that I didn't have them in my "Fave Five" and had no kind of love or need for said relationship.
chillmeister509 2 years ago
let me ask you a question. why do you think there are other gods?
ablle007 2 years ago
SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!! Seriously, shut the fuck up and take down this pointless video, I can't wait for you to die and realize there isn't anything other than Earth, we will rot in....... the GROUND!!
chillmeister509 2 years ago
whoa! take it easy friend. we're not here to fight. just to reason amoung ourselves.
ablle007 2 years ago
@ablle007 All gods (Yahweh included) are a product of the human imagination, including all relationships to gods. A belief in a god, or a "relationship" with a god is also, by definition, a Religion. Fancy wordplay can't hide that from people who are willing to think. But this person's question still stands, even though he went off the deep end too quickly and just got angry and insulting. I'm trying not to do that, but when you dodge questions with wordplay, it really doesn't help your case.
limegreensquid 1 year ago
The title of your video is making some very lofty claims about 'atheist reality'. Do you think you can demonstrate them to be true?
Cafeeine 2 years ago
it's just a simple concept that states that if your belief system is wrong are you willing to face the consequences. it's similar to, 'if you don't beleive in gravity are you willing to jump off of a building and live (or die) with the results.
ablle007 2 years ago
That's not what you're saying. You're talking about 'reality' and displaying myths and legends. Can you demonstrate that they are more than legends? Do you worry about the consequences of disobeying the thousands of gods humanity has thought up in its history?
Cafeeine 2 years ago
@Cafeeine i think that's where the problem lies. you assume that God is made up due to the fact that mankind has made up so many (which is true). but the fact remains that amoung all the counterfeits there's always a legitimate.
ablle007 2 years ago
Actually, the problem is that you need to show there is such a thing as a 'legitimate' god first . Do you want me to just take your word for it?
Cafeeine 2 years ago
@Cafeeine you want proof? look around you. the proof is staring you right in the face. the trees, the birds, the seas. that's the proof. these things just didn't show up on their own.
ablle007 2 years ago
I'm seeing a lot of assertions, but no actual evidence. You're still trying to get me to take your word that your god exists and that it is responsible for the universe. Why are the trees proof of *your* god, and not, say Zeus? Because you say so? Because the Bible says so? That's not evidence, that's hearsay.
Cafeeine 2 years ago
how are you so sure that He doesn't exist and that He didn't create the universe? how are you so sure? you haven't provided any evidence proving so.
ablle007 2 years ago
I'm not the one making claims that cannot be demonstrated. I consider your god story as likely as any of the other thousands of god stories.Your personal incredulity at the origin of the world around you is not a reason to pick one of the mythologies mankind has dreamt up and proclaim its truth.
If you want to claim that *your* mythology is in fact true, you have to do more than tell me to look at trees. Trees do not prove heavens, hells, angels or goblins.
Cafeeine 2 years ago
Grouping God into a bunch of mytholigical man made concepts is a mistake that alot of people seem to make. It's not the first time it has happened. It's actually happenened alot. A particular historical event that i can recall was with a particular person by the name of elijah and the prophets of another god called baal. we know how that turned out.
ablle007 2 years ago
We do? How? By explicitly accepting one mythology on its face while calling the others false?
Remember that Athena fought Poseidon for the patronage of a great Greek city. Don't believe me? The city still stands and it still Athens. Thats a better marker of truth than the story of Elijah has, even if I don't believe either.
Cafeeine 2 years ago
that's understandable, but you still seem to be grouping God into the category of mythology. it does seem confusing because there are so many man made religions and ideologies but that's when a personal experience makes all the difference. i was suffering from tuberculosis and actually died from it. during one of those episodes, a friend prayed for me in Jesus' name and i was healed. that was 15 yrs ago. never had another instance since. that's one of many instances.
ablle007 2 years ago
You know what the two main problems of subjective experience are? First, its subjective. If I, say, had a vision of the above Athena story, it would never convince you of its veracity. Second, the experience and its interpretation are two different things. There are news stories where parents claim Allah wrote his name in the flesh of their children. What is more probable, that you and they are either lying or mistaken, or that the order of the universe was overturned in your favor? (cont.)
Cafeeine 2 years ago
(Cont'd) As for the power of prayer, I'd like you to ask Kara Neumann's parents of it.
Cafeeine 2 years ago
sorry, but i don't know who kara neumann or his/ her parents are. i can just tell you of my own personal experience and the things that i've been through. you seem pretty knowledgable about different cultural beliefs which is a step in the right direction. you just need to go a step further. remember, 'you will know the truth and the truth will lead to freedom.'
ablle007 2 years ago
Thanks for the compliment. It is my opinion however that I have moved possibly a step further than you. I was raised in a Christian faith and have gotten beyond it. I'm sorry to say nothing you have said has been original, that I haven't seen and rejected.
You should google Kara Neumann. You'll get a better picture of her story than my 500 chr comments will give you.
Cafeeine 2 years ago
u said you were raised in a christian faith. why the change?
ablle007 2 years ago
The first point of realization was that I met many people who held to their beliefs, as fervently as you hold on to your own, and yet believed in mutually exclusive things. This was in my teens, when I adopted the 'agnostic' label but was still looking and still believed a god existed. By my early 20s, I fell to a generic christian belief, in spite of my open confusing questions (cont.)
Cafeeine 2 years ago
(1) and remained that way until I passed 30, at which point I first seriously considered the idea that a god as believed by most people might not exist, and there were plausible answers to my open questions. At that point I abandoned belief in god. I do not consider any gods I've had described to me real, and I see no evidence of any other god existing. I've never felt I had a 'relationship' with God and from the descriptions I've heard make think its nothing more than self-suggestion.
Cafeeine 2 years ago
(2) To preempt any objections, I never felt rejected by God, I never felt hatred for Him. At the times when I believed, God was not a burden, nor a taskmaster. He was simply incomprehensible, until I figured out why.
This was the end result of a long process of thoughts, that all converged on my conclusion.
Cafeeine 2 years ago
(3) I hope I didn't give you more than you were interested in :)
Cafeeine 2 years ago
that's understandable, but from what you've said, you asked "people" about God so obviously "people" are going to give you there opinions based upon what they know or have experienced. so to get passed all the second hand information, you need to go to the source. it's like hearing about an accident or event from someone who heard it from someone, who heard it from someone else. the story always changes as it's passed on.
ablle007 1 year ago
(cont'd) so the only way you'll get the true accounts and come to the right conclusion is if you go to the source itself.
ablle007 1 year ago
Yes, but what is the source? Is it the Bible? I read the Bible as a child. Being Greek, I was taught the original koine NT, as well as the Septuagint, and it didn't make a difference. If anything it highlighted the similarities with other stories of legend.
If you mean God himself, I can say I gave it an honest try. As a child I used to talk to God, but he never answered back. During my 'agnostic' teen phase I often asked God, if he was real, to give me a sign. (cont.)
Cafeeine 1 year ago
(1) When I returned to belief in my 20's it was more of a reconciliation with the fact that so many believers can't be wrong and to just stop looking. I spent over 25 years of believing that God exists before even considering that he might not. To hear apologists on this matter, I didn't ask sincerely enough or 'through the heart', but that's just evasions. I would have accepted a lot less back then than I would now mind you, yet I got nothing.
Cafeeine 1 year ago
(2) Now I know more about the world and the way our brain works, It would take almost impossible evidence to convince me a god exists, and that god wouldn't be yhwh, who's logically impossible (if *all* the HB is infallible.)
Furthermore, that still doesn't explain the millions who sincerely pray to a god and he answers them according to their personal faith. You never hear a devout Hindu praying to Vishnu and receiving a response from Yahweh, Jesus or Allah (or the inverse).
Cafeeine 1 year ago
it seems as though you have really tried to seek the truth about God. that's really commendable. that's one thing i do know about God. anyone who has sought Him out, He has never forsaken them. pretty similar to cornelius or paul the apostle. i'm not saying that God's going to meet you on the road or have an angel appear to you,but i do know that anyone who has sincerely tried to know and understand God like yourself,
ablle007 1 year ago
(cont'd) He'll reveal Himself to them.
ablle007 1 year ago
I appreciate the sentiment. From my part, I hope that, whether you keep believing, or you come to a conclusion similar to my own, that you remain content with yourself and happy for the rest of your life.
Thanks for the pleasant and civil exchange.
Cafeeine 1 year ago
@Cafeeine thank you also for an interesting conversation on such an important topic. hope we meet again.
ablle007 1 year ago
@ablle007 Not including one of the many gods along with all of the others as being fictitious until proven is a mistake too many people make, and often causes more hatefulness and conflict in the long run, because people are telling other people to do things based on something no one has proven. And when people don't agree with what their being forced with, they will fight back because there is no way to prove any religion or "relationship" with any gods above any other.
limegreensquid 1 year ago
@ablle007 All that proves evolution, too. It proves the Hindu gods, because they were also said to be responsible for the beauty of trees, birds and seas. And yes, they did show up on their own through billions of years of incremental accumulation of particles interacting with each other due to atomic attraction and chemical reaction. This is supported by mountains of verifiable evidence. Any god still has yet to show even a mark of influencing anything that nature hasn't already done first.
limegreensquid 1 year ago
toasty in there... "send Lazuraus to cool the tip of my tongue with just a drop of water"
Fool4Christ777 2 years ago
lol Christianity. Athiests are the truly enlighten ones.
"Some cling to the cross because they are tired an lost". I don't need need a crutch like a majority of these feeble minded people. Time to grow a backbone and stop believing in myths and most of all stop allowing irrational concsequences rule your life. Expand your mind pick up anything but a bible ( best selling fiction book of all time).
mahjubee 2 years ago 2
how is the bible fiction?
ablle007 2 years ago
@ablle007 How do you know it as fact? It's just a bunch of combined tales that Christians have compiled and ripped off of previous writings and religions. They change a couple names and keep the same concepts and even symbols. To believe the bible is 100% TRUTH or even .0001% is absurd. Eve came from Adam's rib and there's a big fairy in the sky who has already chosen your destiny. That convinces you that it is fact? LOL
mahjubee 2 years ago
how are you so sure it's not the reverse?
ablle007 2 years ago
@ablle007 Well I guess there's no real way of solidifying what is written in a bible just as there is no way of finding who really wrote the Odyssey. I believe that scientists as a collective community are saving people and finding ways around diseases and that plant geneticists are working to solve world hunger. That is more appealing to me and seems more true than a lone man breaking bread and magically feeding everyone and healing the blind/ bringing back the dead with his powers.
mahjubee 2 years ago
@mahjubee i believe that too. So does God. That's why He came. So that sickness and poverty wouldn't be part of everybody's everyday life.
ablle007 2 years ago
How is the bible fact?
RationalConclusion 2 years ago
@RationalConclusion well the definition of the word fact is something that actually happened. Which is what the Bible is filled with.
ablle007 2 years ago
I am well aware of the definition of the word. How do you know that what's written in the bible is factually correct?
RationalConclusion 2 years ago
how do we know that alexander the great conquered most of the known world at that time? how do we know that there are 8 planets besides earth? how do we know that the air is made up of oxygen molecules? simple. people did research and discovered these facts. it's the same with the Bible. how do you know that it's not fact?
ablle007 2 years ago
@ablle007 We know Alexander the great conquered most of the known world because most of the known world recorded his actions. There are maybe 2 credible sources outside of the bible who even acknowledge that a "Christ" may have walked the earth. 2 historians against hundreds of historians. Also, those nations at the time credited Alexander the Great as being the Son of God (Jupiter, at the time) because he was such a good, successful ruler. No other culture even acknowledged Jesus' existence.
limegreensquid 1 year ago
@ablle007 Because most of the stories and important historical events that happened in the bible are not supported by history, even the unbiased historians of the time who wrote down everything. In fact most of the stories in the bible can be proven to be false simply due to who existed when, and how the bible often even mistakes places and times from one book to the next, while contradicting itself on many moral issues throughout. When a book can have that many errors, it is time to close it.
limegreensquid 1 year ago
at least hell would'nt get boring, lol. Btw, im an agnostic, so if anyone wants to sway me one way or the other, please feel free to do so
McLardopolis 2 years ago
@McLardopolis
well, don't know if boring is the word to use. but it's not a place i don't think anyone should go to.
ablle007 2 years ago
it was a joke, dw. I believe in christianity slightly, just not convinced by parts of it
McLardopolis 2 years ago
@McLardopolis
oh. well what parts?
ablle007 2 years ago
dw, just a few of the stories and the fact that the bible was written by some people who didnt have first hand experience
McLardopolis 2 years ago
yah, that's come across my mind a few times too. but when i look at the fact that so much of what the bible talks about is actually happening now it's really astounding! so many people had a hand in writting this book and most of them didn't even know each other and it still all ties in together.man! that is something else!
ablle007 2 years ago
good point
McLardopolis 2 years ago
:-)
ablle007 2 years ago
@ablle007 An appeal to prophecy is an argument already defeated. Anyone with a good idea about human nature, plus knowledge of recent or ancient history can make all sorts of prophecies. Plus, for every prophecy that "comes true" there are a thousand that don't even leave the floor. Speculation by early peoples based on human nature and the history of their people will always be able to make credible prophecies. It's human nature, we repeat ourselves!
limegreensquid 1 year ago
um
If someone is dead - why do demons need spikey pointy things?
Do they have big noses?
It can't be to usher people into the fire - coz that is automatic, isn't it? [scratches the head at the stupidity of theists]
MilitantPeaceist 2 years ago
I think the person who made the video was trying to make a point that you can't escape hell "no do overs" once you've made the choices you choose to make you can't be like..."well I didn't know". No excuses.
FunLid1 2 years ago
First of all this has to be the worst animated video on youtube. Second, no matter how much fear and terror you try to use to get people to believe in something for which you have no evidence of, you should know that people are not afraid of things they don't believe exist. Are you afraid of being eaten by the giant pink invisible dragon that lives outside your house?
west26cali 2 years ago
yeah, the animation isn't the best, but it gets the point across and the point isn't fear. the point is in the description of the video. if someone doesn't believe in the truth, are they ready to face the consequences. by the way i like pink fluffy dragons. rock on!
ablle007 2 years ago
So I take it then that you have converted to all religions then?
west26cali 2 years ago
of course not. religion never helped any one. it only causes alot of confusion.
ablle007 2 years ago
OK, so what truth then are you talking about, sir? I'm going to bet that whatever truth you have to tell me, started with a religion.
west26cali 2 years ago
actually it didn't start with a religion, it starts with a relationship. there's a big difference there.
ablle007 2 years ago
So what is it then, tell me what you think the "truth" is...
west26cali 2 years ago
let me throw that question right back at ya. what do YOU think the truth is?
ablle007 2 years ago
The truth is you're mad.
Religion wrote the bible that you think Hell exists from.
You contradict yourself and have taken the 'relationship' 1 step closer to full self delusion.
MilitantPeaceist 2 years ago
whoa, whoa. take it easy there buddy. no need to get your boxers in a bundle. there is no contradiction there, just plan ol' basic facts.and if you feel it's all just delusions, why get so upset hmmmmm.
ablle007 2 years ago
what makes you think I am upset?
I was merely stating something.
Is it you, that is upset, with what i wrote?
MilitantPeaceist 2 years ago
what you wrote is fine, because you wrote it. it's your comment. it's just the tone of your writing sounds pretty aggresive.
ablle007 2 years ago
Dont be so melodramatic.
These are pixels and if you can hear anything from me, let me suggest it is your inner narrative voice that adds the emotion into the emotionless text you are reading.
Unless you are telepathic, you have no idea what emotion I have.
Futher evidence to your madness.
MilitantPeaceist 2 years ago
come now, 'the pen is mighter than the sword'. the words that are written are a sign of what is actually wanting to be portrayed through emotion. hence your relentless pursuit of determining the sanity that you feel is in question.
ablle007 2 years ago
Now you are showing signs of obsession.
I claim your madness due to your abstract view on reality which is posonified in your production.
You might like to study psychology before entering into this confusion, or attempt, to link the term you mentioned to my emotional status.
Again, I will repeat, you have absolutely no idea what my emotions are based on any selection of texts, BUT, I have every view into your emotion and rationality, by your reaction, and objection, to my replies.
MilitantPeaceist 2 years ago
you said you have "every view" into my emotion and rationality due to the reaction to your replies. it seems to me that you're alot more upset than what you actually want to believe. if you weren't, you wouldn't continue to pursue the conversation in such a determined manner.
ablle007 2 years ago
cont.
Further, it is a known fact, that one's inner voice 'translates' texts in any manner of ways. No two translations, of text, will be the same due to the influence of that unique humans perception, of what the text means, as it appeals to their own psyche and not to the psyche of the writer.
Hence why I do not try to tag an emotion to your texts, but your actions.
You believe in Hell - you are irrational by seeking the acceptance into Heaven by avoiding Hell and projecting Hell onward
MilitantPeaceist 2 years ago
You guys need to seriously take a big break. Whether you believe in a place that is entitled hell or not. There is a place that is separate from God for those who do not accept his only begotten son, Jesus whom he (God) sent to this earth to die for all mankind. Whether you call it Sheol or whatever. Any place dark, fiery, or simply absent from the love of God why would anyone want to spend an eternity in a place like that?
FunLid1 2 years ago
Fun
You know this place exists by what means?
&
There are 45,000+ God's pn offer that ll have a dark place away from their love.
How do you know you are right and What if you are wrong?
MilitantPeaceist 2 years ago