3. Prof. Ian Plimer on climate change debate & his new book Heaven + Earth

[al4484]

Yep

[okaytom]

Hahahaha, Tony Jones, you don't even try to hide your blind faith.

[danieldelazion]

Take a step back - take every ones accounts and statements into context - - lets hypothetical say that humans get their act together in the next Milena - no more carbon emissions, electric cars, no more fossil fuels, raping the earth, deforestation - and i truly hope we do... because we should with our ability.

An ice age,meteor storm, solar radiation, super volcano, can still occur & wipes us all out... the dinosaurs didn't have cars and carbon emissions to blame it on them. Earth is volatile

[nicholas23231]

Plimer is correct. He is challenging 'green' theories that DON'T STAND UP. Read his book. He's not paid by mining companies. He's a geologist and a well-respected academic. HE AGREES that the history of the planet shows we are in a natural period of climate change. NOTHING HAS CHANGED!!! It's a historical fact that the globe heats and cools!!!!

[jerepah]

@nicholas23231 See, Pt. 1/2 Catastrophe - Snowball Earth

[goog2k]

Global Warming evaporates more water & makes MORE SNOW!!!

The 2010 meteorological year, which ended on 30 November, was the warmest in NASA’s 130-year record, data posted by the agency today shows. Over the oceans as well as on land, the average global temperature for the 12-month period that began last December was 14.65˚C.

The 2010 meteorological year was slightly warmer than the previous warmest year, the 2005 calendar year, when the average temperature was 14.53˚C.

--ScienceMag 12/10/10

[jerepah]

@goog2k Pt. 1/2 Catastrophe - Snowball Earth

[scottbuster2000]

@zebazian Your Cherry picking evidence. "Your hockey stick argument is old hat" You may call 2 + 2 = 4 old hat, but that does not change the fact that it's true. Drop a hockey puck off a building and because of the Law of Gravity it will fall. Old hat?...yes. True?...yes. What "error associated with the earlier measurments"?...let's not get into the facts so you..."anyways since"...move on. How can anyone share their insight into this if you only look to certain flash points in your data?

[scottbuster2000]

@zebazian, Does not care about the environment/Getting payed by the oil companies.Yep, sounds like Ad Hominem attacks to these ears.No emperical evidence just attacks.When Gov't/Statism PR language like 'Global Warming' stops working you make up new jargon like 'Climate Change' [Where ever you measure from nature is in transition/change] Here's one 'Earth's rotation', How can you argue against that? Climate Change is NOT what you are selling. Call it by it's proper name. Don't PR it!, Define it!

[hydrogenroar]

The professor who seems defensive and antagonistic is getting POWNED by the interviewer who is very relaxed and cordial. I suspect Dr. Plimer has written a book full of unreliable information.

[mydogbanjo]

Plimer is a breath of fresh air. A very brave and bright man.

[bessymaypearl]

I suggest we all take a cold shower and read this book. It is a great read. Natural history of the earth fascinates me. Me, I think the whole climate debate is a poitical argument. Science is an open book taking in all ideas and hypothisis. Climate scientists were given the task of prosecuting carbon for earth temp fluctuations and nothing will stop them. As Ian says, the mind is like a parachute. It works better when open.

[cristop5]

He's asked about the hottest GLOBAL temperatures. Watch him dodge. OK so the hottest global temperatures didn't really occur in the 1930s. That was just the US. No, the hottest global temperatures occurred, back in the days of the, wait er...they occurred in the mid-latitude deserts!!!

What a fucking shonky wanker.

[goog2k]

ARCTIC SUMMER SEA ICE MASS DOWN 62%+

Arctic summer sea ice surface area has dropped 36% from 8 million sqkm to 5.1 million sqkm since 1980.

Search:

Climate Change: NASA's Eyes on the Earth - Arctic Ice

Arctic ice THICKNESS has dropped 42% in just the last 5 years by satellite measurements.

Search:

New NASA Satellite Survey Reveals Dramatic Arctic Sea Ice Thinning

That's OVER a 62% LOSS in arctic sea ice MASS.

Search:

"Lasers From Space Show Thinning Of Greenland And Antarctic Ice Sheets"

[goog2k]

Terrific new NASA YouTube:

Our Earth has a FEVER! - the Climate Change puzzle

/watch?v=XzfRs74b-qw

For excellent data & scientific info. on Climate Change search:

1) Climate Change: Key indicators

2) Climate Change: NASA's Eyes on the Earth (These are the BEST sites)

3) NASA GISS Do Variations in the Solar Cycle Affect Our Climate System

4) Climate change odds much worse than thought MIT

-- and for some other great scientific YouTubes see the greenman3610

& potholer54 channels.

[scottbuster2000]

@goog2k What happened to Global Warming???

[vlvl21]

This guy is full of shit... Sounds like an individual who does not care about the environment.... He probably going getting payed by the oil companies.

[jerepah]

Wasn't it Lt. Col. Bob Bowman that said not so long ago that attacking Iraq was "an exercise in killing Arabs for the oil companies"? There's some truth in that one.

[scottbuster2000]

@vlvl21 "does not care about the environment"/"getting payed by the oil companies" Blah, Blah, Blah...Is that all you bring to the table Ad Hominum Attacks?! "This guy is full of shit"...He's full of shit about what? Bring you science to the table from multiple Non-Govn't/U.N. or Oil Backed Scources. Where's the evidence?...Look it's simple up is up, down is down, 2 + 2 = 4. True science is based on empirical facts...period! If you have so much standing then what happened to Global Warming?

[Mesa4Life]

This guy is a comple joke. All he has are a few strawman arguments and a hell of a lot of contradictions.

Whats worse is it's been proven that he lied in this book. He shows many personality traits of a sociapth.

[jerepah]

try 'theflucase[.]com', or check out 'jay rockefeller' on youtube as to his views about the internet and the free exchange of information - then we see who the true sociopath is

[chotaboy66]

Tony is a wanker why dosent he just check with nassa instead he just implies Ian gets his info from blogs so the stupid ignorant australians discredit his claims.

Tony is a moron that works for the corporate propagander diss info media for the NWO bankster illuminarti criminals that really run our country

[pkeighty4]

All i know is when i drive behind a car on the freeway spewing out more shit from its exhaust than Chernobyl , and i take a deep breathe only to feel my lungs burn , i know that , multiplied on a global scale cant be good for the environment or climate , and could very well have some effect on climate change . Isn't Acid rain PROOF that human activity can alter climate?

[enddogmanow]

His performance on this program was pathetic, tring to sell his book at any opportunity. He was blatently dishonest, manipulative and fundamentally full of shit. He's a professor?????? I hope he is not in a teaching role. The guy is toxic and a sel-serving liar.

[minilemur]

nonsense enddogmanow - YOU are the toxic liar, and the blatantly dishonest climate alarmist -probably in the pay of the oil companies which are making such massive profits out of misguided global warming policies and taxation.

[cristop5]

The satellite data also show warming, but not as much as the surface measurements show. I've heard it claimed that the stratosphere is cooling, and that the satellites measure both the stratosphere and troposphere together. Therefore the heating in the troposphere is partly masked in the satellite data.

[CDKS4]

People are still massaging the most reliable data we have (UAH and RSS satellite data). It's only 30yrs long, which is nothing, barely a blip compared to ice core proxy data going back over 400,000 years.

Our other instrumental measurements (120+ yrs) come from surface temperature stations that cities have built up around. Temperature cycles average a few hundred years and vary a great deal naturally within that time.

So you're right. The validity of our data is extremely debatable.

[cristop5]

The key question is what is driving the most recent rise in temperatures, i.e. the last 50 yrs or so.

Viewing all cycles as rhythmic is not helpful unless the drivers are understood. The drivers that produced earlier changes need not be the main ones at work today. Solar forcing does not explain warming since 1985, but CO2 does. Even Christy admits CO2 is a driver of warming, though he has different ideas to most climatologists as to its role in concert with other drivers.

[CDKS4]

There is a multitude of driving forces. The sun, water vapor and many other factors contribute much more to keeping heat on Earth than CO2. Solar forcing ALONE cannot explain temperature any more than CO2 alone can. CO2 only slows down the rate of some of the frequencies of heat radiating back into space.

We don't understand all of the drivers yet. We do know that drastic temperature change has happened quickly in the past, before human intervention. We don't know why.

[cristop5]

We seem to be in general agreement. But the thing about CO2 is not its influence per se, but the fact that it is steadily increasing. Just how this will change things is always going to be difficult to predict, but change things it will. If it becomes part of +ve feedback systems we will be in deep shit, as things could change a lot. Any change, any different future stasis will probably not suit us. We evolved and populated the planet in accord with recent historical conditions.

[cristop5]

Notwithstanding the correction of some US weather station data, 2005 remains the hottest year globally. I suspect the reason he wanted to dodge backing up his claim that it's cooled since 1998 is to avoid being pinned down on this. Also he would have to justify starting a trend line in 1998, an atypical year due to the record el nino conditions that released huge amounts of heat from the Pacific.

Start your trend line in 1997 or 1999 and you see an upward slope.

[cristop5]

Watch him duck & weave.

He's asked about the hottest historical temperatures and he tells us about the hottest GEOGRAPHICAL places - mid-latitude deserts! WTF?

He's asked about extrapolating from the US to the whole planet so he talks about...satellites & heat islands! Huh?

When Jones tries to again to get a clear answer he is pushing a "party line"!

When asked about his claim that it's cooled since 1998, he accuses Jones of ignoring history "at hi peril"!

WTF!!

[CDKS4]

If you are cherry picking, quoting small sets of data, then yes, starting from 1998, the mean global temperature has gone down.

Prof. Pilmer approached this argument in the wrong way. He should have said, "Most of what you hear are small cherry picked subsets of data. If you cherry pick instead of looking at all of the available data, you can show anything you want, be it global cooling or global warming. But if you look at everything, you see constant, dynamic change."

[cristop5]

That would be another way of avoiding answering a specific question.

He makes an issue about the hottest temperatures being in the 1920s-40s IN PARTS THE US! Why does this matter if we are talking about GLOBAL warming? Why bring it up unless you just want to muddy the waters?

The focus should be on estimates of mean global temperatures. If these peaked in the 1930s it would be relevant.

He didn't back up his claim that temps peaked in 1998, but accused Jones of "trying to predict the future".

[CDKS4]

The ONLY global temperature data is from satellites. This means we really only have global temperature data for the past 30 years.

The other temperature readings are localized, surface temperature readings. There are very few organizations that maintain these, and NASA GISS in the US is one of them, and one of the largest.

Such localized surface temperature data has often been used to show global warming, but many numbers have been shown to be embarrassingly unreliable.

[Samsgarden]

Aggghhh.

post limit

[jerepah]

How do you mean? Just enter the word to permit more posting.

[Samsgarden]

I don't know what it is. Could be the author blocking my posts, could be youtube. could be a glitch?

[Samsgarden]

...last two posts denied....?

[Samsgarden]

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[Samsgarden]

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yep...it's based on key words.

Two more posts were denied. Both had links.

[jerepah]

it's not permitted to post links / urls in the video comments section, it's their policy, though for instance you can do it like this 'youtube . com'

[Samsgarden]

okay, thanks.

The hidden agenda for world government

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fill in the blanks.

[Samsgarden]

II.

:The press have bombarded the planet with doomsday prophecies and completely censored skeptical opinions, claiming that the science is settled and demonizing skeptics as 'denialists'

The Joseph Goebbels propaganda machine is alive and kicking.

:The politicization of science here is astounding. If you don't think there is something terribly wrong with the strategic broadcasting of mass hysteria and Nazi-style gagging of dissenting views, you have your head way too far up your own ass.

[Samsgarden]

What? You mean like Cherry picking tree thermometers that create hockeysticks,

Not archiving data and withholding data from auditors?

You know, every time an inconvenient truth Illegitimatizes the so called science, you guys just move the goal posts. No melting glaciers, no endangered polar bears, no warming, no rising sea levels, yet your religion is still strong.

I bet you have a poster of Al Gore on your bedroom wall.

[scottbuster2000]

@Samsgarden Exactly when Gov't/Statism PR language like 'Global Warming' fails them they make up new jargon like 'Climate Change' [Where ever you measure from nature is in transition/change] Here's one 'Earth's rotation', How can you argue against that? Climate Change is NOT what they are selling. They need to call it by it's proper name [Whatever that is?]. Don't PR it!, Define it!

[propositionjohnston]

I love it when Plimer talks waffle! He looks uncomfortable here for sure!

[RussellMcGilton]

What an arrogant toss pot. He owns three mining companies! Do the maths! Good one Tony for taking his patronising and tightening him down to fact which he seems awfully scared of

[Samsgarden]

Using the old "In bed with big oil" line 'eh?

[scottbuster2000]

@Samsgarden Yep, sounds like Ad Hominem personnel attacks to these ears as well.

[boogiefever1985]

The tide is turning against the concept of human-induced global warming. By only looking at climate change since recording began (150 years), you are ignoring 99.99999% of history. Who caused the Ice Age? Nobody. Climate change is natural.

[pseudotruth]

There's a smell all right and it's coming from Plimer and his book of fiction masquerading as science.

Google ian enting Ian Plimers Heaven + Earth — Checking the Claims

For a point-by-point debunking of Plimer's pseudo-science. Unfortunately, you will need to get a copy of Plimer's book from the library - Don't buy it!

[jerepah]

Hope you enjoyed my Christmas message, and that we're still friends...?

George Monbiot, hmmmmm....... The Guardian, hmmmmmm........ ..........