PHALANX237, are you talking about the same kirby, that couldnt seem to bother trying to use more than basic shapes, and too-closely-similar-to-each-other, costumes? imagination? he didn't even TRY on any kind of significant level.
He is such an inspiration to me; he takes my imagination to levels I never dreamed before.
There is just that 'feel' when you look at Kirby's art, that wondrous, spectacular cosmic feel, and with all due respect to current artists, I don't get that with today's comics that look a bit too clean and polished, lacking a potent touch and soul.
You can sit at a coin laundromat while waiting for clothes to wash, reading Forth World comics and it feels like diving into a whole other world altogether.
who`s the slob talkin bout kirby? i`ll clobber da livin daylights outta him if he dont shape up! kirby is the king of comicbooks dont ever fergit that. stevie ditko was and is sublimely talented .those two guys towered over da bullpen.stan worked up the magic and marvel smashed through the 60`s and beyond like a runaway express.no kiddin! now wheres my blasted cigar?
Comic books are a essentially visual art form, and as such the artist should always takes precedence over a writer. It's a shame that Kirby doesn't get more credit as the true artistic creator of the Marvel universe.
I just love this... to me, Jack's 'prime' was the 1960's, so I am less fascinated by anything post-1970 or pre-1960. The magic that happened mid-decade is irresistable to me. Thank you for this video, thank you (and Happy Birthday) Jack.
I love and have tons of respect for Jack Kirby and his amazing work. I just hate how people think you can't like Jack Kirby and Stan Lee. Like one was more responsible than the other. Stan Lee was the writer, you can't sell a good story without a good writer. Kirby was an artist you can't make a good comic with a talented artist. They BOTH came up with the stories.
Jack Kirby was a true master at his craft. With due respect to Stan Lee, I'd have to say that for me... what attracted me to Marvel's comic books in the 1960s were not simply the story lines-but great art by Jack himself! Of course, Jack Kirby also played a key role in that as well. Speaking for many of the baby boomers, we miss you tremendously, Jack!!
@djerwulfe Cont He was also doing layout pencil art for other new artists to trace over during the late 1960s per Marvel's orders, to try to teach them to draw in the Marvel (Kirby) style so he really couldn't set aside time for inking his flagship titles like The Fantastic Four & Thor, many Marvel inkers during this era IMO really couldn't do justice to Kirby's original art (Vince Colletta) others did a better job Chic Stone, Dick Ayers, and some others,
@djerwulfe From what I've heard the pencilling and creating was Kirby's favorite part of doing comics, inking his own work was something he would let others do just because it would have tripled or quadrupled his work load to have inked everything he was drawing, According to Mark Evanier during 1962-1964 Marvel's carrying dates had 3,130 interior pages of Kirby art plus 285 covers-roughly the equivalent of a book a week, even in the late sixties he was working at home about seven days a week.
I just saw the X Men First Class movie, it was a fun film, but there was no screen credit like "co-created by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby" anywhere in the credits,
@cha5 You're right! And seeing how "Marvel" is at the opening credits, you would think Stan and Jack would've been credited. Come to think of it, the supporting characters that they created for "Thor" are theirs too, and their names aren't there, either.
@Tabish29 : As a realistic illustrator, Adams is far and away ahead of Kirby... but, as a cartoonist (which entails writer/artist), as a producer and as a creator of characters, Adams simply cannot hold a candle to Kirby. No disrespect.
jack kirby was the picasso,michaelangelo,davinchi of the comics world in the twentieth century.a complete original.who REALLY created marvel comics/not stan lee.every character except for spiderman,dr. strange,submariner,iron man&daredevil jack created.also the super-villians and those great atlas monsters.
A large amount of the major comicbook creators of the 1930s-1940s were poor Jewish kids from New York's Lower East Side, Will Eisner Jack Kirby Joe Simon Siegel & Shuster Bob Kane Harvey Kurtzman Will Elder Bernie Krigstein Stan Lee and alot of others, Kirby's original name was Jacob Kurtzberg. According to Mark Evanier one way to really get Kirby angry would be to suggest he changed his name because he wanted to conceal his Jewish heritage.
@cha5 well i think the only one who changed his name to get a job was stan lee, think he said he was afraid they wouldnt give him a job at marvel cause he was a jew, but i wasnt saying kirby was afraid, just realized most of the earlier artists were jewish lol
Yeah there's a funny little bit in a comic on comicbook creators that took place back in the early 1940s in which Stan was talking to Joe Simon about changing his name.
Simon
"So you want to change your name from Stan Lieber to 'Stanley'?!? is that going to be your first name or your last name?"
most were jewish. look at early Superman by Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster he is a metaphor of a jewish immigrant in the early 1900's only faster than a speeding bullet and able to leap buildings in a single bound
I like Kirby a lot he has the title of King weel earned, his co creation f Captain America Alongside Joe Simon, his colaborations with Stan Lee on The Fantastic Four, Thor, Hulk, his development of the fourth wold series give him in my opinion a weel deserved spot on comics pantheon. On other related matters i liked the early Ditko, but his artwork dint evolve , his classic material is ok but what he drew in the eightiies say was totally disppointing.
You can note that by the influence he hadon other artists, aside Ron Frenz y don t see more influendes from Ditko. To be fair , there were other artists on the sixties that have been neglected and some are superior to the King, first there is Gene Colan, a genius, then there is Neal Adams whose art seems contemporary and trascends his time, and Jim Steranko , another genius, in my humble opinion they were better illustrstors than Kirby.
Gene and steranko's earlt work was nothing more than a copy of Kirby. I agree there are other great artists but none so unique and powerful as Kirby. NONE. They may have been better 'illustrators' but they were mostly doing realistic portrayals of Kirby action scenes and characters. Kirby was the better pure artist.
I see you are a great fan o Kirby, I like his unique character designs, for example. But i wouldnt go so far as to say Gene or Steranko are copies of him, you dindt mention Neal Adams , so i assume he owes little to kyrby, other comic ilustrators such as Wally Wood, Eisner , and going back , Harold Foster or CC Beck, are on a par if not better than Kirby. I think one thing that afeceted Jack s qork, was thw fact he made too much so he got sloppy on details.
Finally you can notice that the King needed a good army to win, eith that I am saying that for me on his Marvel Run the best inker he paired with was Joe Sinott, others like Chic Stone dint make his work shine as much, so it is a colaboration.
not entirely BAD IN THE 80'S... Great atuff compared to most. Mainly, he was so incredible in the 40's thru 70's, it just SEEMED below him but he was 60 something by then. His 'collaborations' were almost always his original idea.
You mean Ditko? , well i tend to agree with you, but on the 80 his work was outdated, mediocre, they gave him some pages on Spidey s Annuals, here , an 8 page story on Marvel Comics Present, now and then and they were awful. The plot was by other guys, I know he must have being old, but some artists coped better with age Gene Colan e.g, who continued working after being operated of glaucoma, or Jim Aparo , who never reached the heights of Dikto, but also din t fell as low.
Let's just say your favorite artist is like your fave food or music. Everybody differs. However, I'm sure, if pressed, Steranko, Adams and Colan will tell you Kirby showed the ''right way' to do super-hero comics in particular. He invented the 'language'. Ask Alex Ross or John Byrne or Jim Lee. They know.
Yes I I am well aware that Kirby has a great influence, and that artists like Byrne and Miller adore him, he is a legend in his own right, a cretor of concepts, characters, etc, but that doesnt make him my favorite classic artist, for me Colan, and Steranko are better,. And as for inventing the super-hero language, that is an arguably statment, Siegel and Shuster were there before, and althogh not in costiume Alex Raymond s Flash Gordon, is a big influence.
I would say Kirby didn't create his work in a vacuum and there are quite a few artists who were an influence on him, Lou Fine, Will Eisner, Hal Foster,
Mort Meskin, and others.
As for Kirby having invented the super-hero language well there was
Siegel and Schuster,
Bob Kane and Bill Finger and others who technically created what we know to be the super-hero comicbook, however IMHO Simon & Kirby were the first ones who really brought it to life.
Well i agre with most of what you said. What I ve been trying to do in this posts is to compare Kirby to other artists, because as unfair as was the medium to Jack on his life, there was a bunch of other artists who were7are as capable as Kirby. So in my opinion there are many Kings on comics, i dont mean to overlook or neglect any, and some in my opinion were better than Kirby.
Well Kirby is my favorite artist and creator I would put him in any top ten list but sure there are other artists who match up to Kirby as to wheither they're actually "better than Kirby" is for at least for me subjective.
Basil Wolverton, Jack Cole, Eisner, Carl Barks, Walt Kelly, Frazetta, Lou Fine, Crumb, Foster, Kurtzman, C C Beck,
and alot of others who were IMO as capable as Kirby was but an artist who was or is better than Kirby?
One can only hope. I see by the names you mention that you are a fan of Classic artists, but from recent ages i like the work of Brian Bolland, Arthur Adams, George Perez, Barry Smith (Conan Work), Ross Andru, Steven Bissette, Mike Mignola, Dave Mc Kean, and John Byrne. I dont like all theri work and have not listed them in any order of quality, and given time i can think of more great artists, maybe three or four on this list can be on a par with the classics what do you think?
Well I'm more of a fan of comicbook and comicstrip artists from the 19th century up till 1945 and maybe a couple of artists from the 1960s Jack Kirby & Steve Ditko and a couple of others,
artists from the 1970s don't do alot for me except for Wrightson and Frazetta,
I've been kind of sour on on alot of comic art of the last thirty years but there are a few artists I like
Dave McKean, Mike Mignola, Chris Ware,
Corben, Brian Bolland, Art Adams, Bissette, Eddie Campbell,
Melinda Gebbie, Crumb (especially his Book Of Genesis), Art Spiegleman (Maus), Alex Ross (when he really puts his heart into something) Jack Jaxon, Toth,
Bill Watterson, Frank Cho, Dave Gibbons, Charles Vess, Michael Kaluta, Scoli, Mobius, Hugo Pratt, Kevin O' Neil, and a few others.
My favorite cross hatcher of all time is Thomas Nast, There's quite a few other artists I've got a passion for but that would be a massive list.
You see al the medium need is a few good men , or artists, I also like Wrightson, and in my last post forgot to mention Matt Wagner, David Mazzucheli , who left superheor field , and is stil doing magnificent stuff like City of glass, Bill Sienkiewickz, even though in my opinion he has narrative problems on his comics, so his covers are better, and Frnak Miller early stuff ( 1978-1986). Keep enjoying your classic comics cha5
Yes, I agree... every construction system has it's own attributes (some more then others) and for one system to work in concert will all of them is the most interesting to me.
Stan Lee is superior to Jack Kirby? sorry but you'll find quite a few people who disagree with you there,
especially since it's pretty well accepted that Kirby had a hand in plotting all the Marvel comics he worked on with Stan just like Steve Ditko did on Spider-man and Dr Strange.
Thanks to Stan Lee/Marvel, Jack Kirby died without being properly rewarded for his work. It makes me sick when I see Stan Lee playing the ' Walt Disney' of marvel comics persona that he's got going on. He has trodden on the backs of so many talented writers, artists to get to where he is today.
@cha5 You must be related to Mr. Lee or just plain ignorant. Disregard Lee's power of PR and recognize the numerous contributions "THEE KING OF COMICS" made over the 5-6 decades he busted his ass.
@puffedhell Come again? not sure I get your point here, Lee was great at PR for Marvel comics and could do purple prose like nobody else, but without Jack Kirby we wouldn't even have a comics industry as we know it.
@puffedhell I've always felt that the way Kirby was treated by Marvel was an example of this industry at it's worst, same as in the case of Siegel & Shuster and Superman.
The main thing I'll say about Stan Lee is that he's got a gift for purple prose, and he's second to none when it comes to promoting Marvel comics and himself (he's always made Uncle Walt Disney and P.T. Barnum look like pikers in that regard)
@Flashfan262 start drawing now man! lol even if their crap dont stop like i did, one of my good friends is an artist and he's great he can do a whole comic in 3 hours if nothing distracts him, but he said it took him 9 years to get to that point, #1 rule of drawing every artist has 1 million crappy drawings to get thrugh first then it'll be good
Thanks ,Man.I grew up watching my dad and brother draw. Eventually I start when Im pretty sure when I was six. I mean really drawing. Im still not that good with my artistic skills I draw,erase,draw and erase and thats my pattern with everything. Im never satisfied with my drawings. But thanks for the incouragement. I could use it.
Long live the king!!! Makes me proud 2 own some of his work ( cap 100 / x-men 4 / x-men 14 all vf+) just 2 name a couple .... Can't wait to get the surfers ( ff48/49/50 ).... Thanks Jack we won't forget you !!!!!
I heard that all of his marvel characters are trying to be terminated by his children, or something to that extent because of the Disney sale. I don't like it either, but does this mean the end to FF and his other creations? Whats going on!?
No, see, what his estate is trying to do is retain stronger rights to the Marvel characters he co-created, with this Disney sale. In other words, they're trying to create more money for his estate by asking for a bigger piece of the pie (and giving the King more credit).
of course he deserves more credit. I never said he didn't. in fact, he should've been getting just as much credit from marvel as stan lee has. the fact that the estate has to FIGHT this at all is stupid
i didnt mean to say you didnt, i was just saying he got ripped off by D.C. more than anyone, and i agree its retarded his family have to fight for him now
Actually they're trying to gain the FULL rights to the characters for his estate to make. They've already sent cease and decease letters to Sony, Marvel, Disney and so on. After the Siegal/Superman win it may very well happen. Superman will probably be licensed back to DC so Kirby's relatives may do the same with Marvel.
@flynn60 ! yeah as long as disney just owns it and lets the creators still have control it'll be good!...ah who am i kidding disney will kill all comics :'(
Those ones who (also) are often forgotten are the inkers, Joe Sinnott and others whose work affected a LOT to the final look of comics. However, Jack Kirby was absolutely incredible comic artist.
You definitely have a point. Ditko did sort of fade into obscurity. However let's compare Fantastic Four and Doctor Strange. Kirby was doing variations of classic Eisner and Fox work while Ditko was doing revolutionary facial, conceptual, and structural art. He was way ahead of his time.
Well I can see the Fox influence on The Fantastic Four although Kirby put some of the elemental basics of earth wind and fire into his work and had a cosmic aspect that Fox or even Eisner never approached IMHO.
As to Ditko you're quite right about the way he revolutionized comic art plus I think I may have sold some of his DC work a little short, I mean The Creeper while not up there with Dr Strange or Spiderman is visually unique no question.
Probably my favorite Ditko work would be his 1950s horror comics and Spiderman & Dr Strange, His work from the very late 1960s onward although interesting for me doesn't quite have the same impact.
I didn't mean to imply that Kirby sucked (I wouldn't be watching this video if I thought that). I was just saying that Ditko is a genius and he often gets ignored.
No argument there, I always think it's sad the way people seem to think Spiderman started with Stan Lee and John Romita and that Ditko gets all too often overlooked these days IMHO.
I think it's safe to say Steve Ditko wants to be overlooked. He doesn't like to be interviewed nor to be in the movies. He just want to be isolated with the comic creations that he owns.
I really don't see it. Especially if your talking about Eisner's work at the time vs Kirby's. On average in the Spirit Eisner would use the nine panel page outside of the splash page intro. Kirby was entirely different in fact he was known for that. Contract with God and his alter work were entirely different but that all hit in the mid 70's.
I might call early Kirby closer to Lou Fine and Mort Meskin myself, Kirby did some work under Eisner though and The Spirit was something Kirby was familiar with and respected,
How can you mention MacFarlane in the same sentence as Kirby and Ditko? I liked MacFarlane's stuff as much as the next guy, but it's like comparing Don Mattingly to Babe Ruth and Joe Dimaggio. No offense to MacFarlane (or Mattingly) but they fall short when compared to the legends of their craft.
Not for nothing, but you actually do agree with me. All I'm saying is that MacFarlane is not in the same league as Kirby or Ditko. You even stated that "mcfarlane might not be at the level of kirby". I'm not saying that Todd sucks, but he can't tell a story (ever actually read Spawn or his Spider-Man stories?) and wasn't anywhere nearly as prolific as Kirby or Ditko. The only category MacFarlane can surpass the true legends is in his business acumen.
Dr. Strange is a Dr. Fate clone and Spider Man was co-designed(aka CREATED) by Kirby who, by no coincidence, drew the first cover from AMAZING FANTASY. Kirby did many more of the covers than Ditko. VERY MANY MORE! And when they worked 'together' DITKO WAS THE INKER. I like Ditko and he is underrated BUT he is as nothing compared to KIRBY. Same goes for Stan who for some 'strange' reason QUIT WRITING very shortly after Kirby left Marvel. Meanwhile Kirby creates 100 new characters for DC ;-)!!!!
I revere kirby as an artist, but not enough credit is given to others such as steve ditko and don heck, though hecks work seems a watered down imitation of kirby.
Another KIRBY CREATION, 'Iron Man', came out tonight and it was awesome. The artists from the time unilaterally profess that JACK KIRBY came up with almost all the ideas for characters. Still, Jack's name was not mentioned until the end credits in SMALL PRINT! It is so pathetic and I believe will soon backlash more than ever before considering the amount of KIRBY MOVIES in the past 7 or 8 years and the MANY YET TO COME. It was an improvement from X-men though who acted like Jack was a CATERER!
GREAT post! Would you happen to know if there is a "definitive" Jack Kirby collection (book) with all his best artwork represented? I've been looking for years and have yet to find anything I think is a worthy compendium. Thanks!
There is a new one by Mark Evanier I believe to be available on Amazon. Of course, all you need do is look at any Marvel or DC comic and you are basically seeing a 'modernized' representation of Jack's work. Same goes for the superhero movies, including STAR WARS! Buy the Masterworks of FF or Thor or the early X-men and get the Fourth World stuff from DC and you should also include the Forever People for the art despite the not so great stories.
PHALANX237, are you talking about the same kirby, that couldnt seem to bother trying to use more than basic shapes, and too-closely-similar-to-each-other, costumes? imagination? he didn't even TRY on any kind of significant level.
vidguy 2 weeks ago
He is such an inspiration to me; he takes my imagination to levels I never dreamed before.
There is just that 'feel' when you look at Kirby's art, that wondrous, spectacular cosmic feel, and with all due respect to current artists, I don't get that with today's comics that look a bit too clean and polished, lacking a potent touch and soul.
You can sit at a coin laundromat while waiting for clothes to wash, reading Forth World comics and it feels like diving into a whole other world altogether.
phalanx237 1 month ago
who`s the slob talkin bout kirby? i`ll clobber da livin daylights outta him if he dont shape up! kirby is the king of comicbooks dont ever fergit that. stevie ditko was and is sublimely talented .those two guys towered over da bullpen.stan worked up the magic and marvel smashed through the 60`s and beyond like a runaway express.no kiddin! now wheres my blasted cigar?
macwhites 3 months ago
Comic books are a essentially visual art form, and as such the artist should always takes precedence over a writer. It's a shame that Kirby doesn't get more credit as the true artistic creator of the Marvel universe.
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Best. Artist. Ever.
MetalGodzz3 4 months ago
I just love this... to me, Jack's 'prime' was the 1960's, so I am less fascinated by anything post-1970 or pre-1960. The magic that happened mid-decade is irresistable to me. Thank you for this video, thank you (and Happy Birthday) Jack.
jeffreyscottable 4 months ago
I love and have tons of respect for Jack Kirby and his amazing work. I just hate how people think you can't like Jack Kirby and Stan Lee. Like one was more responsible than the other. Stan Lee was the writer, you can't sell a good story without a good writer. Kirby was an artist you can't make a good comic with a talented artist. They BOTH came up with the stories.
InfernoXRonin 5 months ago 3
Jack Kirby was a true master at his craft. With due respect to Stan Lee, I'd have to say that for me... what attracted me to Marvel's comic books in the 1960s were not simply the story lines-but great art by Jack himself! Of course, Jack Kirby also played a key role in that as well. Speaking for many of the baby boomers, we miss you tremendously, Jack!!
TheAssasin2525 6 months ago
@djerwulfe One interesting bit of trivia is that Jack's wife Roz was one of his inkers on The Green Arrow comic back in the 1950s.
cha5 6 months ago
@djerwulfe Cont He was also doing layout pencil art for other new artists to trace over during the late 1960s per Marvel's orders, to try to teach them to draw in the Marvel (Kirby) style so he really couldn't set aside time for inking his flagship titles like The Fantastic Four & Thor, many Marvel inkers during this era IMO really couldn't do justice to Kirby's original art (Vince Colletta) others did a better job Chic Stone, Dick Ayers, and some others,
my favorite is probably Joe Sinnott.
cha5 6 months ago
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cha5 6 months ago
@djerwulfe From what I've heard the pencilling and creating was Kirby's favorite part of doing comics, inking his own work was something he would let others do just because it would have tripled or quadrupled his work load to have inked everything he was drawing, According to Mark Evanier during 1962-1964 Marvel's carrying dates had 3,130 interior pages of Kirby art plus 285 covers-roughly the equivalent of a book a week, even in the late sixties he was working at home about seven days a week.
cha5 6 months ago
Genius...
FrankSavages 6 months ago
Jack Kirby should get his own movie.
marplatense31 6 months ago
He is the Buddy Rich of comics! Sounds as though his name should have been Work Ethic.
unaperrson 7 months ago
He is the Buddy Rich of comics!
unaperrson 7 months ago
I just saw the X Men First Class movie, it was a fun film, but there was no screen credit like "co-created by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby" anywhere in the credits,
kind of a downer really.
cha5 7 months ago
@cha5 You're right! And seeing how "Marvel" is at the opening credits, you would think Stan and Jack would've been credited. Come to think of it, the supporting characters that they created for "Thor" are theirs too, and their names aren't there, either.
sabinoson 7 months ago
@sabinoson Yeah, I hope they at least list somewhere in the upcoming Captain America film
"Created by Joe Simon and Jack Kirby" but it wouldn't suprise me at all if the studio didn't,
even though Marvel Comics is at least putting that creators credit on page one of their Captain America books.
I just hope Lisa Kirby and her family are getting something from these Marvel movies.
cha5 7 months ago
Kirby is to Comic Art what Picasso was to Painting. He is Gone. But the ART will NEVER DIE. Long live JACK KING KIRBY!
robertquentincobb 8 months ago
Jack Kirby...the only man Johnny Carson ever gave an on air apology to......
JustineLaLoba 9 months ago
Absolutely my favorite cartoonist of all time, next to Peter Bagge
tedcantu1 10 months ago
anybody know the name of the song at 1:55 (the orchestral music)
FiswaT 10 months ago
Jack is King
fuzzmatix 1 year ago
Jack was a huge happy part of my childhood.
pretorious700 1 year ago
Jack was happy drawing, he sees drawing and telling the story through it mostly as an enjoyable hobbies throughout his career.
I mean, thats the only possible way he can draw 5 books a month and have the motivation to do it: He didnt need any. He wanted to do it.
ANormalGuy 1 year ago
HIIIIII
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TheFlyingFresh 1 year ago
Stan Lee is the Son. Jack Kirby is the Father. He that has ears let him hear.
CSavageSr 1 year ago
@CSavageSr amen....Jack was the Elvis of comics
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CinemShowInfo 1 year ago
For me Neal Adams will always and forever be the man not Kirby. No disrespect.
Tabish29 1 year ago
@Tabish29 I've got to give Neal Adams praise.
I do like his artwork. Technically his artwork is second to none. But Jack kirby will always be King of the Mountain.
BlakeVII 1 year ago
@BlakeVII But his work is 2nd to none like u said.
Tabish29 1 year ago
@Tabish29 : As a realistic illustrator, Adams is far and away ahead of Kirby... but, as a cartoonist (which entails writer/artist), as a producer and as a creator of characters, Adams simply cannot hold a candle to Kirby. No disrespect.
DeepSouthWrestling1 8 months ago
he was the comic God!
VinnyMonster1 1 year ago
this is pretty good
earthkrew 1 year ago
The world owes this man an unpayable debt. He was a true genius.
Lastchancers 1 year ago
jack kirby was the picasso,michaelangelo,davinchi of the comics world in the twentieth century.a complete original.who REALLY created marvel comics/not stan lee.every character except for spiderman,dr. strange,submariner,iron man&daredevil jack created.also the super-villians and those great atlas monsters.
CinematicComics 1 year ago
He will forever be one of my heroes!
teethingp 1 year ago
wow didnt know jack was jewish seems like alot of the artists in comic books back then were jewish...or am i being stupid?
chatanwarrior 1 year ago
cha5 1 year ago
@cha5 well i think the only one who changed his name to get a job was stan lee, think he said he was afraid they wouldnt give him a job at marvel cause he was a jew, but i wasnt saying kirby was afraid, just realized most of the earlier artists were jewish lol
chatanwarrior 1 year ago
Yeah there's a funny little bit in a comic on comicbook creators that took place back in the early 1940s in which Stan was talking to Joe Simon about changing his name.
Simon
"So you want to change your name from Stan Lieber to 'Stanley'?!? is that going to be your first name or your last name?"
Stan
"Which ever you think sounds best Joe"
Simon
"I think it sounds Chinese"
cha5 1 year ago
@cha5 hhaha funny
chatanwarrior 1 year ago
"It was just a desire to sound like a "professional". "Kurtzberg" didn't sound like a famous writer and artist. "Kirby" he thought did"
'Kirby: King Of Comics'
cha5 1 year ago
most were jewish. look at early Superman by Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster he is a metaphor of a jewish immigrant in the early 1900's only faster than a speeding bullet and able to leap buildings in a single bound
jorghad6 1 year ago
Cool art of Silver Surfer
Tacom4ster 1 year ago
I like Kirby a lot he has the title of King weel earned, his co creation f Captain America Alongside Joe Simon, his colaborations with Stan Lee on The Fantastic Four, Thor, Hulk, his development of the fourth wold series give him in my opinion a weel deserved spot on comics pantheon. On other related matters i liked the early Ditko, but his artwork dint evolve , his classic material is ok but what he drew in the eightiies say was totally disppointing.
TheVetoSkreeemer 2 years ago 3
You can note that by the influence he hadon other artists, aside Ron Frenz y don t see more influendes from Ditko. To be fair , there were other artists on the sixties that have been neglected and some are superior to the King, first there is Gene Colan, a genius, then there is Neal Adams whose art seems contemporary and trascends his time, and Jim Steranko , another genius, in my humble opinion they were better illustrstors than Kirby.
TheVetoSkreeemer 2 years ago
Gene and steranko's earlt work was nothing more than a copy of Kirby. I agree there are other great artists but none so unique and powerful as Kirby. NONE. They may have been better 'illustrators' but they were mostly doing realistic portrayals of Kirby action scenes and characters. Kirby was the better pure artist.
itzjoeymac 2 years ago
I see you are a great fan o Kirby, I like his unique character designs, for example. But i wouldnt go so far as to say Gene or Steranko are copies of him, you dindt mention Neal Adams , so i assume he owes little to kyrby, other comic ilustrators such as Wally Wood, Eisner , and going back , Harold Foster or CC Beck, are on a par if not better than Kirby. I think one thing that afeceted Jack s qork, was thw fact he made too much so he got sloppy on details.
TheVetoSkreeemer 2 years ago
Finally you can notice that the King needed a good army to win, eith that I am saying that for me on his Marvel Run the best inker he paired with was Joe Sinott, others like Chic Stone dint make his work shine as much, so it is a colaboration.
TheVetoSkreeemer 2 years ago
not entirely BAD IN THE 80'S... Great atuff compared to most. Mainly, he was so incredible in the 40's thru 70's, it just SEEMED below him but he was 60 something by then. His 'collaborations' were almost always his original idea.
itzjoeymac 2 years ago
You mean Ditko? , well i tend to agree with you, but on the 80 his work was outdated, mediocre, they gave him some pages on Spidey s Annuals, here , an 8 page story on Marvel Comics Present, now and then and they were awful. The plot was by other guys, I know he must have being old, but some artists coped better with age Gene Colan e.g, who continued working after being operated of glaucoma, or Jim Aparo , who never reached the heights of Dikto, but also din t fell as low.
TheVetoSkreeemer 2 years ago
Let's just say your favorite artist is like your fave food or music. Everybody differs. However, I'm sure, if pressed, Steranko, Adams and Colan will tell you Kirby showed the ''right way' to do super-hero comics in particular. He invented the 'language'. Ask Alex Ross or John Byrne or Jim Lee. They know.
itzjoeymac 2 years ago
Yes I I am well aware that Kirby has a great influence, and that artists like Byrne and Miller adore him, he is a legend in his own right, a cretor of concepts, characters, etc, but that doesnt make him my favorite classic artist, for me Colan, and Steranko are better,. And as for inventing the super-hero language, that is an arguably statment, Siegel and Shuster were there before, and althogh not in costiume Alex Raymond s Flash Gordon, is a big influence.
TheVetoSkreeemer 2 years ago
@TheVetoSkreeemer
I would say Kirby didn't create his work in a vacuum and there are quite a few artists who were an influence on him, Lou Fine, Will Eisner, Hal Foster,
Mort Meskin, and others.
As for Kirby having invented the super-hero language well there was
Siegel and Schuster,
Bob Kane and Bill Finger and others who technically created what we know to be the super-hero comicbook, however IMHO Simon & Kirby were the first ones who really brought it to life.
cha5 1 year ago
Well i agre with most of what you said. What I ve been trying to do in this posts is to compare Kirby to other artists, because as unfair as was the medium to Jack on his life, there was a bunch of other artists who were7are as capable as Kirby. So in my opinion there are many Kings on comics, i dont mean to overlook or neglect any, and some in my opinion were better than Kirby.
TheVetoSkreeemer 1 year ago
@TheVetoSkreeemer
Well Kirby is my favorite artist and creator I would put him in any top ten list but sure there are other artists who match up to Kirby as to wheither they're actually "better than Kirby" is for at least for me subjective.
Basil Wolverton, Jack Cole, Eisner, Carl Barks, Walt Kelly, Frazetta, Lou Fine, Crumb, Foster, Kurtzman, C C Beck,
and alot of others who were IMO as capable as Kirby was but an artist who was or is better than Kirby?
Sorry but I disagree.
cha5 1 year ago
@TheVetoSkreeemer
No disrespect to Colan, Steranko,
or any other artist intended there,
all of the names you've mentioned are giants in their own right.
cha5 1 year ago
Yup that is what i was talking about. Hope new Giants appear on comicdom soon.
TheVetoSkreeemer 1 year ago
@TheVetoSkreeemer
Well I hope so too, but the more time I spend in my back issue boxes,
the more cynical I get about 90-95 percent of all modern comic artists.
cha5 1 year ago
One can only hope. I see by the names you mention that you are a fan of Classic artists, but from recent ages i like the work of Brian Bolland, Arthur Adams, George Perez, Barry Smith (Conan Work), Ross Andru, Steven Bissette, Mike Mignola, Dave Mc Kean, and John Byrne. I dont like all theri work and have not listed them in any order of quality, and given time i can think of more great artists, maybe three or four on this list can be on a par with the classics what do you think?
TheVetoSkreeemer 1 year ago
@TheVetoSkreeemer
Well I'm more of a fan of comicbook and comicstrip artists from the 19th century up till 1945 and maybe a couple of artists from the 1960s Jack Kirby & Steve Ditko and a couple of others,
artists from the 1970s don't do alot for me except for Wrightson and Frazetta,
I've been kind of sour on on alot of comic art of the last thirty years but there are a few artists I like
Dave McKean, Mike Mignola, Chris Ware,
Corben, Brian Bolland, Art Adams, Bissette, Eddie Campbell,
cha5 1 year ago
@cha5 Cont
Melinda Gebbie, Crumb (especially his Book Of Genesis), Art Spiegleman (Maus), Alex Ross (when he really puts his heart into something) Jack Jaxon, Toth,
Bill Watterson, Frank Cho, Dave Gibbons, Charles Vess, Michael Kaluta, Scoli, Mobius, Hugo Pratt, Kevin O' Neil, and a few others.
My favorite cross hatcher of all time is Thomas Nast, There's quite a few other artists I've got a passion for but that would be a massive list.
cha5 1 year ago
You see al the medium need is a few good men , or artists, I also like Wrightson, and in my last post forgot to mention Matt Wagner, David Mazzucheli , who left superheor field , and is stil doing magnificent stuff like City of glass, Bill Sienkiewickz, even though in my opinion he has narrative problems on his comics, so his covers are better, and Frnak Miller early stuff ( 1978-1986). Keep enjoying your classic comics cha5
TheVetoSkreeemer 1 year ago
@TheVetoSkreeemer Yeah Frank Miller's early works are great up to about
1986-1987, his more recent work like that Spirit movie and his take on Batman along with Jim Lee I'll have to pass on,
"What are you, retarded or something?
I'm the goddamn Batman!" LOL
Batman + Dirty Harry= drudge of a comicbook
All the best and thanks for sharing your thoughts on this artform TheVetoSkreemer
cha5 1 year ago
Ask Neal Adams, Jim Lee, John Romita, Steranko, Mignola (the list goes on and on) Kirby is GOD lol
itzjoeymac 2 years ago
My grandfather grew up in the same neighborhood. always wonder if they met. Same age but my man was Irish. who knows? maybe they got in a fight lol
itzjoeymac 2 years ago
Yes, I agree... every construction system has it's own attributes (some more then others) and for one system to work in concert will all of them is the most interesting to me.
Thanks for your feed back!!!!!
Ratboy8888 2 years ago 2
Stan Lee Never created any lasting characters after Jack left in 1970....... Kirby was the brains !
zambot3 2 years ago
Stan Lee is superior to Jack Kirby! But JACK KIRBY FUCKING ROCKS! He is even part of TMNT universe
slavko123496 2 years ago
Stan Lee is superior to Jack Kirby? sorry but you'll find quite a few people who disagree with you there,
especially since it's pretty well accepted that Kirby had a hand in plotting all the Marvel comics he worked on with Stan just like Steve Ditko did on Spider-man and Dr Strange.
cha5 2 years ago 21
@cha5 Steve Ditko v Jack Kirby.... WOW!!!
theman2017inc 1 year ago
@cha5 I absolutely agree.
Thanks to Stan Lee/Marvel, Jack Kirby died without being properly rewarded for his work. It makes me sick when I see Stan Lee playing the ' Walt Disney' of marvel comics persona that he's got going on. He has trodden on the backs of so many talented writers, artists to get to where he is today.
BlakeVII 1 year ago 2
@cha5 u cant say one is better. one is a writer the other is an artist. thats like comparing call of duty to street fighter.
mikew1500 1 year ago
@mikew1500 : Kirby wrote most (if not all) of the stories he worked on... Lee was only the scripter.
DeepSouthWrestling1 8 months ago
@cha5 You must be related to Mr. Lee or just plain ignorant. Disregard Lee's power of PR and recognize the numerous contributions "THEE KING OF COMICS" made over the 5-6 decades he busted his ass.
puffedhell 5 months ago
@puffedhell Come again? not sure I get your point here, Lee was great at PR for Marvel comics and could do purple prose like nobody else, but without Jack Kirby we wouldn't even have a comics industry as we know it.
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cha5 5 months ago
@puffedhell I've always felt that the way Kirby was treated by Marvel was an example of this industry at it's worst, same as in the case of Siegel & Shuster and Superman.
The main thing I'll say about Stan Lee is that he's got a gift for purple prose, and he's second to none when it comes to promoting Marvel comics and himself (he's always made Uncle Walt Disney and P.T. Barnum look like pikers in that regard)
cha5 5 months ago
@cha5 I totally agree.
pypeworld 3 months ago
Read your history and listen to the writers and artists other than Stan 'the self proclaiming man' lol
itzjoeymac 2 years ago
this is what i want to do.
Flashfan262 2 years ago 3
@Flashfan262 start drawing now man! lol even if their crap dont stop like i did, one of my good friends is an artist and he's great he can do a whole comic in 3 hours if nothing distracts him, but he said it took him 9 years to get to that point, #1 rule of drawing every artist has 1 million crappy drawings to get thrugh first then it'll be good
chatanwarrior 2 years ago
Thanks ,Man.I grew up watching my dad and brother draw. Eventually I start when Im pretty sure when I was six. I mean really drawing. Im still not that good with my artistic skills I draw,erase,draw and erase and thats my pattern with everything. Im never satisfied with my drawings. But thanks for the incouragement. I could use it.
Flashfan262 2 years ago
A whole comic in 3 hours? Not even Romita Jr can do that. Is it stick figures? I'd be interested in seeing his art.
fishdirt 2 years ago
Such a commentary about so many endless hours is positively inspiring.
Dylanio21 2 years ago
Long live the king!!! Makes me proud 2 own some of his work ( cap 100 / x-men 4 / x-men 14 all vf+) just 2 name a couple .... Can't wait to get the surfers ( ff48/49/50 ).... Thanks Jack we won't forget you !!!!!
justinlerk 2 years ago
@justinlerk omg u do! you lucky mofo lol
chatanwarrior 2 years ago
I heard that all of his marvel characters are trying to be terminated by his children, or something to that extent because of the Disney sale. I don't like it either, but does this mean the end to FF and his other creations? Whats going on!?
flynn60 2 years ago
No, see, what his estate is trying to do is retain stronger rights to the Marvel characters he co-created, with this Disney sale. In other words, they're trying to create more money for his estate by asking for a bigger piece of the pie (and giving the King more credit).
owlie14 2 years ago
@owlie14 he deserves more credit, even in DC comics, i mean come on he's a friken genius and DC stole the new gods from him
chatanwarrior 2 years ago
of course he deserves more credit. I never said he didn't. in fact, he should've been getting just as much credit from marvel as stan lee has. the fact that the estate has to FIGHT this at all is stupid
owlie14 2 years ago 3
i didnt mean to say you didnt, i was just saying he got ripped off by D.C. more than anyone, and i agree its retarded his family have to fight for him now
chatanwarrior 2 years ago 2
Actually they're trying to gain the FULL rights to the characters for his estate to make. They've already sent cease and decease letters to Sony, Marvel, Disney and so on. After the Siegal/Superman win it may very well happen. Superman will probably be licensed back to DC so Kirby's relatives may do the same with Marvel.
fishdirt 2 years ago
@flynn60 ! yeah as long as disney just owns it and lets the creators still have control it'll be good!...ah who am i kidding disney will kill all comics :'(
chatanwarrior 2 years ago
one of the greats
superdouradas 2 years ago
him and alan moore where the reason i got into comic books.
leo12namath 2 years ago 2
Wow! drawing round the clock. He was unstoppable.
dumbestname 2 years ago 2
hey they only show Kirby marvel work.
What about Etrigan the demond and the new gods? they were important for comic book history, and some of the best Kirby's works
bazzjedimaster 2 years ago 16
Those ones who (also) are often forgotten are the inkers, Joe Sinnott and others whose work affected a LOT to the final look of comics. However, Jack Kirby was absolutely incredible comic artist.
heireikko 2 years ago 3
a great comic artist. stan lee should share the rewards.after all it was smilin stan and jack the king kirby.i loved those comics.
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o94ght 2 years ago
What's the name of the character at 2:36?
dewayne408 2 years ago
That's Galactus
frakdox 2 years ago
Totally Jack Kirby was a THE BEST!!!
RandomNonsense2K8 2 years ago
lol...eulogies??
bwahaha
DVGamer7 2 years ago
Great video !
54spiritedwill54 2 years ago
Rest in peace jack kirby !!
Legacycomics 2 years ago
Jack, you are missed.
Long live the king
Deadxman616 3 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Ditko is better.
ptrlapp 3 years ago
Uh no,
Ditko is one of the all time greats, and during his 'Spiderman'
and 'Dr Strange' heyday he was right up there with Jack but I don't think 'Hawk And Dove' will ever be remembered up there with
'The Fantastic Four' 'Captain America'
or even 'The Fourth World Saga',
'Mr A' is interesting though as is 'The Question' and
'Tsk Tsk' is a gutbuster.
cha5 3 years ago
You definitely have a point. Ditko did sort of fade into obscurity. However let's compare Fantastic Four and Doctor Strange. Kirby was doing variations of classic Eisner and Fox work while Ditko was doing revolutionary facial, conceptual, and structural art. He was way ahead of his time.
ptrlapp 3 years ago
Well I can see the Fox influence on The Fantastic Four although Kirby put some of the elemental basics of earth wind and fire into his work and had a cosmic aspect that Fox or even Eisner never approached IMHO.
As to Ditko you're quite right about the way he revolutionized comic art plus I think I may have sold some of his DC work a little short, I mean The Creeper while not up there with Dr Strange or Spiderman is visually unique no question.
cha5 3 years ago
Probably my favorite Ditko work would be his 1950s horror comics and Spiderman & Dr Strange, His work from the very late 1960s onward although interesting for me doesn't quite have the same impact.
cha5 3 years ago
I didn't mean to imply that Kirby sucked (I wouldn't be watching this video if I thought that). I was just saying that Ditko is a genius and he often gets ignored.
ptrlapp 3 years ago
No argument there, I always think it's sad the way people seem to think Spiderman started with Stan Lee and John Romita and that Ditko gets all too often overlooked these days IMHO.
cha5 3 years ago
I think it's safe to say Steve Ditko wants to be overlooked. He doesn't like to be interviewed nor to be in the movies. He just want to be isolated with the comic creations that he owns.
-R78
Rodimus78 2 years ago 4
...thus Stan Lee takes all the credit!
RandomNonsense2K8 2 years ago
Does Stan Lee bother you as being overrated? It sure sounds like it...I don't blame you though.
-R78
Rodimus78 2 years ago
where do you see Eisner in Kirby. They are to entirely different artists.
missuscake 2 years ago
In his composition. His panel layouts are very similar to Eisner's.
ptrlapp 2 years ago
I really don't see it. Especially if your talking about Eisner's work at the time vs Kirby's. On average in the Spirit Eisner would use the nine panel page outside of the splash page intro. Kirby was entirely different in fact he was known for that. Contract with God and his alter work were entirely different but that all hit in the mid 70's.
missuscake 2 years ago
I might call early Kirby closer to Lou Fine and Mort Meskin myself, Kirby did some work under Eisner though and The Spirit was something Kirby was familiar with and respected,
"The best comic of the fourties,"
Jack called it. "No question"
'Kirby, King Of Comics'
cha5 2 years ago
Long live the King!
iwomartin 3 years ago
is jack kirby still alive? i just want to know
mikew1500 3 years ago
Sadly no. He died in 1994
AgustinAZ 3 years ago
he died when he saw corman's fantastic four movie. really sad :)
gettingoversa 3 years ago
Aww thats a shame i was born in 1994
Dreamcaster1234 2 years ago
Have 29 of the books showed here, lovingly protected. Nobody to this day, can match him in his prime.
jmen4ever 3 years ago
Thanks a billion for posting this. Kirby will always be King, and his influence is everywhere in superhero comics and movies. RIP a true genius!
MothraBlues 3 years ago
No one can touch Kirby.
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UltimateCanuck123 3 years ago
all hail the king!
crosenblum 3 years ago
Thanks for posting this. Long live the KING!
taffysaur 3 years ago
i've just finished kirby's fourth world series and it blew me away. love live the king!
Raedan23 3 years ago
No Jack Kirby... NO NOBODY TODAY. No movies... even Superman and Batman. Nuff Said.
itzjoeymac 3 years ago
No special effects house, yet, has matched what Kirby, Ditko and MacFarlane, to name a few, can impact upon the page.
lavverlylad 3 years ago
How can you mention MacFarlane in the same sentence as Kirby and Ditko? I liked MacFarlane's stuff as much as the next guy, but it's like comparing Don Mattingly to Babe Ruth and Joe Dimaggio. No offense to MacFarlane (or Mattingly) but they fall short when compared to the legends of their craft.
neakapla 3 years ago 11
you have a big point for sure man because Jack Kirby and Steve Ditko are true legends that can not be compared
JAREDNINEJ9 3 years ago 6
hey do you know how people know all this old stuff about marvel
mikew1500 3 years ago
i disagree. mcfarlane might not be at the level of kirby but he is a legend in his own right.
modoflowe 3 years ago
Not for nothing, but you actually do agree with me. All I'm saying is that MacFarlane is not in the same league as Kirby or Ditko. You even stated that "mcfarlane might not be at the level of kirby". I'm not saying that Todd sucks, but he can't tell a story (ever actually read Spawn or his Spider-Man stories?) and wasn't anywhere nearly as prolific as Kirby or Ditko. The only category MacFarlane can surpass the true legends is in his business acumen.
neakapla 3 years ago 4
MCFarlane? I have never liked his drawing style, with the exception of some Hulk stories.
Jim Starlin is another artist that in my opinion is worth mention, even if he hasn't produced as much material as the others.
Snurremegrundt 3 years ago
jack king of comics for sure
JAREDNINEJ9 3 years ago 2
Dr Stange was Stan lee and Steve Ditko not Kirby.
Kirby didn't do Amazing Fantasy alone.
him and Ditko did the cover and art together.
HarryPotter1992x 3 years ago 3
Dr. Strange is a Dr. Fate clone and Spider Man was co-designed(aka CREATED) by Kirby who, by no coincidence, drew the first cover from AMAZING FANTASY. Kirby did many more of the covers than Ditko. VERY MANY MORE! And when they worked 'together' DITKO WAS THE INKER. I like Ditko and he is underrated BUT he is as nothing compared to KIRBY. Same goes for Stan who for some 'strange' reason QUIT WRITING very shortly after Kirby left Marvel. Meanwhile Kirby creates 100 new characters for DC ;-)!!!!
itzjoeymac 3 years ago 3
I revere kirby as an artist, but not enough credit is given to others such as steve ditko and don heck, though hecks work seems a watered down imitation of kirby.
sadistoflovers 3 years ago 2
All of the artists at Marvel were told by Stan Lee to 'DRAW LIKE JACK.'
itzjoeymac 3 years ago 9
this guy was amazing I wish I had half the talent he had I would be happy but there can only be one king of comics
JAREDNINEJ9 3 years ago
I love this video
JAREDNINEJ9 3 years ago
Ironic, I love The King of comics and the Kings of Metal.
ayk66 3 years ago
Another KIRBY CREATION, 'Iron Man', came out tonight and it was awesome. The artists from the time unilaterally profess that JACK KIRBY came up with almost all the ideas for characters. Still, Jack's name was not mentioned until the end credits in SMALL PRINT! It is so pathetic and I believe will soon backlash more than ever before considering the amount of KIRBY MOVIES in the past 7 or 8 years and the MANY YET TO COME. It was an improvement from X-men though who acted like Jack was a CATERER!
itzjoeymac 3 years ago 2
I don't care if the New Gods only lasted two seconds, those characters and books are some of the best in the history of comics, Period!!
thumbsaloft 3 years ago 3
Considering DARKSEID especially, it is safe to say THE NEW GODS are here to stay!
itzjoeymac 3 years ago 3
yup
JAREDNINEJ9 3 years ago
This guy's pure imaginitve prowess is just mind-blowing. One of the greatest creative minds of all time. Period.
Stepper11 3 years ago 5
thats right man
JAREDNINEJ9 3 years ago
Surfer, maybe?
Donomark 3 years ago
hey who is the character at 8:39 anyone??
frenchyfrie911 3 years ago
That is the AWESOME Silver Surfer recieving an energy blast of INCALCULABLE POWER!!! LOL!
itzjoeymac 3 years ago
Great stuff!!!
slagit 4 years ago 3
This makes me wish I was a kid again.Great memories. Thanks for the post.
joez116 4 years ago 4
FANTASTIC. thank you. r.i.p. jack.
MrFawiggles 4 years ago 4
Epic!!!
Thanks for sharing!!!
The King is dead - Long live the King!!
pytheus77007 4 years ago 2
GREAT post! Would you happen to know if there is a "definitive" Jack Kirby collection (book) with all his best artwork represented? I've been looking for years and have yet to find anything I think is a worthy compendium. Thanks!
loopdesign 4 years ago 3
There is a new one by Mark Evanier I believe to be available on Amazon. Of course, all you need do is look at any Marvel or DC comic and you are basically seeing a 'modernized' representation of Jack's work. Same goes for the superhero movies, including STAR WARS! Buy the Masterworks of FF or Thor or the early X-men and get the Fourth World stuff from DC and you should also include the Forever People for the art despite the not so great stories.
itzjoeymac 3 years ago
Who's the pretty red headed girl giving an interview...?
CaptainStacy 4 years ago 2
His daughter, Lisa Kirby.
thunderbay63 4 years ago
Oh ok. Thanks.
CaptainStacy 4 years ago
Great video, Batmitey!
PopCultureAngel 4 years ago