UFO BUST! Episode 5 - Debunking Billy Meier at Berg-Rumlikon in HD

[Skorched29]

his case has never been de-bunked

[Skorched29]

how the hell could a one arm man fake it.. they didnt have the technology we do today.

[AJCTB]

no UFO would be ignorant enough to allow themselves to be taped in such an amateur manner... if they really wished to be documented they would have allowed the evidence to be clear and w/o a doubt especially if he was in contact with the UFO entities. the ships are primitive looking and the US government could even do a better job reverse engineering a ship a that point... careful who you're listening to ppl

[AJCTB]

even if you hate gay ppl, look up "Billy Meier on why people are homosexual"... i question his logic and intent

[acat543]

BILLY MEIER has the real evidence people, that was scientificaly proven without a doubt. With all the hot air about ufo's he's the only person on the planet,that has the most convincing evidence's than any other ufo case. BILLY MEIER make's people like Mrmorlam1 and his company,feel like absolute dickhead's and deluded zombie's,that's why they can't deal with it all.They see themselve's as they really are,pathetic useless loser's,who have been brainwashed in by the Bullshit religion's.WAKE UP!

[Mrmorlam1]

@acat543 NO, it wasn't scientifically proven EVER! You are deluded. You don't even know me and yet you accuse me of being brainwashed by religions? I'm not religious. Are you Michael Horn really? YOU wanna believe this shit be my guest. I don't know why you think I care what you think.

[Hochichin]

wheres ep 6?

[blueleaftbc]

I love watching the meier debunking vids because it just proves the case more and not less. Thank you

[MrLlud]

thanks for these videos, very interesting and informative

[BSnicks]

I still don't understand why people are still trying to debunk something from the past with new technology. Let's just say that this Billy Meier is totally fake. Now, if you want to prove it, even now 36 years later with better technologies available. Try tieing up your left hand and do it with your right hand only. I am sure that you will give up very soon. Also, try to study the material before you start debunking it, it might help you on your path. Get a life Mrmorlam1!

[Films32]

I dont think we should be too hard on this guy "Mrmorlam1" because I can see where he has got snagged and feel a little sorry for him really, It is going to be tremendously difficult for him to reach a clear and decisive truth now and create a quality summary for himself, so may well never reach the full human class now. Don't be too unkind to this guy... he was just mis-lead to create this "Debunking" video, what ever he thought that might achieve. He might already be old, which explains all.

[Mrmorlam1]

@Films32 I appreciate what you're saying, don't worry. I feel the need to be totally honest and straight forward with people though. If someone comes at me with hammer and tongs I''ll give them what for without hesitation. That's exactly what Michael Horn does. I don't think anyone other than me, Kal Korff, Tony wharton & Derek Bartholomaus know what we're up against when it comes to ppl like M. Horn. The man is quite evil.

[Films32]

@Mrmorlam1 Well thank you. But I will naturally disagree with what you have said about Michael horn and the word evil connotes a religious subtext to how you feel which to me is like an alien language. I have no idea what you mean by evil. All I am saying against your video is that it was a waste of time in many ways, because there is just too much evidence beyond the UFO images to authenticate Billy Meier. These kinds of videos have been done over and over again all over the planet.

[Mrmorlam1]

@Films32 When I say evil I mean Michel is a devious, cunning fox. The fact that he is lkke that is highly suspect. He never accepts reproductions and jumps to accusations of tampering and cgi etc, etc. He is the one who asked me to duplicate Meiers photos and I have done so! If you want to believe the case that's up to you. I sdon't care. But I do care when ppl make useless accusations and don't check or make sure. Horn is like that and as a result CANNOT be taken seriously.

[Films32]

@Mrmorlam1 Micheal horn encourages people to try and produce the photos and video in the way meier did, with a 8/16mm camera etc, 1 so they will look at the information being provided about important things that can help humanity in so many ways and 2 because he knows it cannot be done well. He also knows that the meier case is so substantial that there is no way you can call it a fake if you have actually taken the time (2 years maybe more) to actually read everything. 20,000+ pages.

[johnydubz]

@Mrmorlam1

..use the word loosely here i think you've made a common error ... your debunking attempts are flawed.. don't you think?

[johnydubz]

@Mrmorlam1

..are you really going to tell me that all that stuff came from his imagination..Really..!!!.and besides since you say it was from his imagination then that would mean he has got the supernatural ability to write about things that turn out to be correct. Your correct in saying that the world is full of idiots and that's the only thing i'll agree with you on but then again don't you think your an idiot for dismissing the contact notes as "bizarre nonsense", as an investigator and i ...

[johnydubz]

@Mrmorlam1

If you have ever listen to the notes on my channel or sukofu you will realise that there is loads of info covering a wide range of topics from problems within the group to him talking about religion, the moon hoax, the haarp project, fukoshima the nuclear disaster in japan contact 516, stuff about the planets etc...you really have been wasting time trying to prove him a hoaxer instead of looking beyond that coz at the end of the day the ufos are just vehicles no different to your car

[Mrmorlam1]

@johnydubz "Moon hoax" johnny? What the heck are you on about? The moon landings are provably genuine you moron. Also judging by the positive comments I get from those who can think their way out of a wet paper bag I'd say NO! I haven't wasted my time at all.

[Films32]

@Mrmorlam1 The moon landings were a bad example. You will be long since gone when they discover the truth about the moon landings... So you may as well miss that one off the list. There are many examples of validity through text written way before an event(s). This guy has attacked the billy meier case for other delusional reasons I can only assume?, Perhaps cult religious reasons, I am not sure?. End of the day, Billy meier also speaks about sane subjects as well. He is a prophet so covers all.

[Films32]

Even a plastic life sized model of a beamship suspended from wires and pulley systems etc is all possible. But for me like I have said the validity comes in the information rather than the material proof. Unlike many other ufo images where this information is not there to validate the story. If you refuse to read the contact notes all 20,000+ pages then you really cannot proceed much further with these explanations. But I applaud you for trying it is more than most have done. Most just say fake!

[Films32]

At the very least you went to the effort to attempt to disprove it, you didnt go far, but that is understandable. I am not going to say any more than I already have in this post. You are now welcome to read the information or not, the choice is yours. You have made the effort now and have shown how a model can be used (like we didnt know it already) you have also proven a great number of things for me and I thank you. Please make the right decision based on your own judgement now and move on.

[Mrmorlam1]

@Films32 "move on." Don't tell me what to do or even think you can possibly give me any advice. You are a young man who hasn't learned that grown ups tell lies yet. That's how young you are!

[Films32]

@Mrmorlam1 You sound very troubled indeed. Yeah just move on, you may regret it if you dont. But like your going to listen to me, I am too young to know about cause and effect. Good luck with your thing dude.

[Films32]

@Mrmorlam1 Grown ups do tell lies... that is part of what lead me to Billy meier interestingly enough.

[Films32]

At least you have gone to the effort to actually try and properly re create them. To be fair to you they are not bad. But the proportions are somewhat different. For example, the depth of field, and on closer inspection it is clearly too small. On first glance though it does not look half bad to give you credit. It is possible to recreate the WCUFO pics, by getting at certain angle under street light and focusing on the distant. Difficult but possible, interesting he accidentally created effect

[Films32]

I really dont think it is fair to be unkind to Billy Meier, he has never been hostile, so there is no need to use offensive language against him. Nothing constitutes rudeness. I certainly dont have any time for poor or low quality language.

[Mrmorlam1]

@Films32 Ever heard the expression: "PASSIVE AGGRESSIVE"??? You don't seem to actually KNOW anything John. Meier's crap being sold as genuine is HOSTILE enough since he's only really interested in making a living at this fakery. He's made so much money from people and yet he has NEVER been to places in the world that need help. Meier is a selfish *^%$&*+*.

[Films32]

@Mrmorlam1 Your religious arent you?, I can tell, your one of the people from the new christian church movement arnt you?. I only reach that conclusion because of how you feel so threatened by meier, and ultimately the distribution of truth. Truth like God is a man made concept etc. Look buddy no need to say those things. Billy meier is poor.

[Films32]

@Mrmorlam1 He has very little money, he is financially poor, materially poor.

[Films32]

@Mrmorlam1 I guess I am selfish as well then because I have never been to africa or india or whatever and handed out bread or whatever you mean by that.

[johnydubz]

@Mrmorlam1

say how is it that you have never attempted to debunk the contact notes..I would say that the written material is enough evidence to prove meier right. These petty character assasinations on the man won't help because anyone with a rational/logical way of thinking would see the absolute truth in the case!!! The fact that he still writes contact reports to this day is in itself proof but how many hoaxers have lasted this long, that's my question.

[Mrmorlam1]

@johnydubz John the contact notes are written by Meier himself from his imagination. It's not that difficult when you spend ALL your time on such a thing. A hoaxer doesn't have to be there all the time like Meier because once he's been debunked that's it. They simply go on because there is an audience for it...people like you. To say his contact notes prove his case is bizarre nonsense. What exactly makes you say this? I could make up notes like that but I've got better things to do.

[johnydubz]

@Mrmorlam1

In reference to 7:22 if Meier said he got an electrical hit surely you'd understand that the camera would be affected aswell! Mrmorlam1 you don't realise this but your vids actually give credit to Meier, how many farmers can you name that can do all these camera "tricks" and in 1975. Plus we are talking about a man that had 10+ people always around him watching his every move. Don't you think if it was a hoax they would have left him by now after all these years? And i was going to..

[Mrmorlam1]

@johnydubz Wrong again! meiers camera tricks are extremely simple to create. Notice he says his films went to a guy in Germany to cut together? Maybe meier cut it all together badly. Maybe this German guy did it. Whatever happened his films ended up being cut all over the place at key moments...giving away the hoax. People around meier think he's telling the truth? That's their problem. The world is FULL of idiots Johnny! didn't you know??

[Films32]

The information in the Billy Meier case undermines all of our history books, ancient history, the darwin monkey theory, the system of politics, our various social systems (example: howling at someone on YouTube is considered illogical), our financial system, our hierachical systems, class systems, power structures and so forth. Meier and the Plejaren talk about how all of these things are done but done badly with very little thought for others. Its not about UFO's its about keeping him silent.

[Films32]

I think the real problem here is there are a vast broadband of very basic individuals who cannot even control their own excitement or hold a reasonable conversation let alone achieve anything of a positive worth. While a very tiny minority realises the wider realities of the universe and so forth and are persecuted from life to life by these barbaric beastial individuals who use hard force when they believe they are right?

[Mrmorlam1]

@Films32 There is NO "HARD FORCE" when it comes to debunking this stuff. i am NOT trying to convince anyone of anything. I am demonstrating how this can be done which turns out to prove the arguments against Meier are valid and the arguments for him are NOT valid...such as " he only has one hand so he can't possibly have done all this by himself." That is now provable nonsense.

[Films32]

If you used a computer to do this then it does not count. A 5 year old can nowadays download a trial animations package and within a few bezier mask cuts and pan/scan clicks you can get a seriously good quality meier hoax video. So you could make a thousand scenes with spaceships in on various backgrounds etc, thats easy, Michael horn is not saying its not easy now. But you have to do without a computer... because they were not even commercially invented when he took them.

[Mrmorlam1]

@Films32 You don't need computers to take photos with the Olympus camera. Nor to get slide films processed and shown. NO cgi was used on my photographs. They are as they are when you see them in my videos. The fact that ppl like you don't check these things and just throw accusations of "cgi" or whatever is testament to your un-scientific attitude. I can prove my photos are slides and not cgi'd but Meier CANNOT do that because some of his photos ARE CGI'd!!!!! Check his WCUFO pics!

[Films32]

@Mrmorlam1 I will not argue with you. The evidence is there but it is not overwhelming I will give you that. But have you read through the 20,000+ pages of contact reports? As far as I am concerned, I dont personally care much for the images and video, Like I said there is not an overwhelming amount there (but just enough, for me atleast). But the contact notes are the real profound evidence, For me at least. Most disagree with me, they wont read it unless the images are good first. Missing out.

[ZENICA95]

MEIER IS A FUCKING CRACKPOT HOAX MASTER SAYS HE,S

THE NEW JESUS AND THE ALIENS SAY HE,S BETTER THAN JESUS

OH AND LET ME GUESS A WORLD WAR IS GOING TO START

BY THE MUSLIMS WOULDNT YOU KNOW IN 2006-2008-2011

ITS THE FASHION TO HATE THE MUSLIMS TODAY EVEN THE

ALIENS DO .

[intrptr]

Was wondering. How would your models look at night with leds lighting them. You could make them climb or spin or just hover. If you had a dimmer control so they light up or on/off switch.

BTW, this guy cracks me up. I guess he couldn't get enough attention with that beard, huh?

[intrptr]

What camp. Space cadet glow. I love it when the Japanese film crew is going ,hmmmmm...hmmmmmm

[SgtKUSMC]

You can pretty much sue anyone for anything these days. In a case like this I am surprised the Meier's camp hasn't actually been sued yet considering the nature of their cult and the size and scope of their hoax.

[justsayupyours]

@SgtKUSMC You obviously have no understanding of the law. But good to see the retardedness of your post.

[SgtKUSMC]

@justsayupyours Actually… The law allows you to sue (The common term which has been unfortunately whittled down to me “sue for money”) For anything, you can sue for information in any court. Reference FOIA law if you need a refresher course in what is and is not allowed.

[justsayupyours]

@SgtKUSMC So what kind of information (that hasn't already been out there) that you plan on suing for? Oh I guess you never planned that far ahead? Are you one of those assholes in the military who is paid to monitor the internet?

[SgtKUSMC]

@justsayupyours That being the case… Yes… tell your friends, I am one of the asshole military guys that gets paid to monitor the internet. My job is to make sure the Bilderberg group is kept appraised of any and all activities that may be harmful to their desire to create a one world government with the assistance of (Fill in the blank of whatever it is you believe is trying to take over the world here) and to take down the names of those who may be trying to spread the truth.

[justsayupyours]

@SgtKUSMC Is that your story? Why don't you go back to Afghanistan and try and win a losing war, you loser.

[SgtKUSMC]

@justsayupyours Very insightful… thank you…

[SgtKUSMC]

@justsayupyours Just going to go out on a limb here and guess that you believe just about anything you read/hear that has to do with conspiracies and aliens.

[justsayupyours]

@SgtKUSMC I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that you have no idea what you are talking about.

[justsayupyours]

@SgtKUSMC Come on, I dare you to sue me for hurt feelings. They will laugh you right out of court. Pull your panties up and let's get on with this.

[SgtKUSMC]

@justsayupyours In a case like that, suing the Meris cult for information is AT THE VERY LEAST an available option. The fact that the bilk thousands with this crap for money means, say it with me folks, that they are in violation of any number of actual laws unless they can prove the statements they are making are true.

Scams get busted all the time in this fashion.

And FYI Retardedness is not a word.

[justsayupyours]

@SgtKUSMC You have absolutely no proof that thousands are bilked, but nice try. In my military dictionary retardedness is a word because it describes you to a tee.

[justsayupyours]

@SgtKUSMC Well isn't suing the answer for everything in your country? But you have no idea what you are suing for? Good job sargeant klink. Last time I checked I lived in a free country and I could say whatever the hell I wanted to. Maybe since your a military man, you don't have that option? Last time I talked to a sargeant, I called him a liar because he was one. Yeah he didn't appreciate it much but that's what happens when regular citizens turn on the military. You effing warmonger.

[justsayupyours]

@justsayupyours Ah, poor little sarge had to block me from making comments on his youtube account. I guess the truth hurts you whiney little baby.

[SgtKUSMC]

@justsayupyours To make that easier to understand.

When you can’t defend your position with logic you resort to personal attacks, that turns your argument away from the actual point and focuses it on the type of character those believing as you do posses. Looks to me like you are representing your group well. “Think like me or we will beat you down.” i.e group think, removing self from the picture and demanding that anyone who does not think as you do must be silenced…

But I’m the asshole.

[justsayupyours]

@SgtKUSMC Oh how very observant of you. Do you need a medal for that? If you really were that observant you would see I'm not part of any group. I work on my own. All the info I have about Phil is from his messages to me.

[justsayupyours]

@SgtKUSMC How did I wish you physical harm when I knew you were wearing safety goggles? But there you go again being unobservant.  If you are the best your country has, I'm ashamed of your country.

[justsayupyours]

@SgtKUSMC Yes you really are the asshole. I saw your stupid post on Mrmorons website. "Oh yes I believe in aliens, just not these ones". I think you can get kicked out of the military for comments like that. They'll put you in a straightjacket and do some brainwashing on you (if they haven't already).

[justsayupyours]

@SgtKUSMC Yes you really are the asshole. I saw your stupid post on Mrmorons website. "Oh yes I believe in aliens, just not these ones". I think you can get kicked out of the military for comments like that. They'll put you in a straightjacket and do some brainwashing on you (if they haven't already).

[SgtKUSMC]

@justsayupyours You made an idiotic statement wishing me physical harm. From the few things I have seen you post I can already deduce that you are incapable of debating a concept without resorting to threats and personal attacks. By default, when you lack the ability to win by the strength of your argument and resort to that sort of personal assault, you lose. Not only that, you weaken the existing argument in your favor and make those in “your camp” look weaker as well.

[justsayupyours]

@SgtKUSMC I didn't wish you physical harm, dickweed. You are going to do that all on your own, probably by the people you work with.

[SgtKUSMC]

Another perfect vid... I had a thought...

Have you considered suing the Meris camp? I know it sounds odd but if they were ordered by law to produce their tapes and other info, complete with depositions that would further blow them out of the water.

[Mrmorlam1]

@SgtKUSMC Haven't thought of that one. didn't think I was able to. I'll look into it. Thanks.

[justsayupyours]

@Mrmorlam1 You obviously have no understanding of the law. You two make a good pair.

[justsayupyours]

@SgtKUSMC Ah, poor little sarge had to block me from making comments on his youtube account. I guess the truth hurts you whiney little baby.

[justsayupyours]

@SgtKUSMC Ah, poor little sarge had to block me from making comments on his youtube account. I guess the truth hurts you whiney little baby.

[justsayupyours]

@SgtKUSMC Did you figure it out yet? That you can't sue for information that is free and available, even to tards like you?

[JOOGAL1111]

3 time i,ve watched this and the branch is the undisputable proof its a hoax. I,ve said for years after i 1st seen this that the film is cut (by the way i know fuck all about photography) the makers of the meier propaganda film contact have no such excuse as at least some of them are familiar with cameras for fucksake (theres at least 1 filming them)

[justsayupyours]

@JOOGAL1111 Phil told me that Billy would have had to climb a tree and drill a hole through the trunk to insert the fishing line. You ever see a one armed man with a drill climbing a tree?  Use your damn logic (if you have any).

[JOOGAL1111]

@justsayupyours Right enough logic tells me that a one armed man cant use a ladder or a drill. He has had many years to practice doing things with one hand (insert comment here but i wont). Also i use logic when i think did this man travel back in time takes pictures of dinosaurs (which later where found to be copies of a dinosaur book) meet jesus or is he a lying old bastard trying to fool people. I know where i stand but i think logic is a stranger to your brain (if you have any)

[Mrmorlam1]

@justsayupyours EXCUSE ME??? I NEVER SAID ANY OF THAT!!! BULLSHIT! YOU ARE A LYING CUNT! LIAR!!!!!

[withinthetruth]

all i see here is you faked a flim from something you got reffrents too. dont prove shit man and it looks fake and its not even close.

[vulcanus30]

wobbling (watch at 5:14....5:30, ufo on left): watch?v=GpgF7pDx_zs

[GoldenLalonde]

as for the wobbling,as you are probably well aware of the explanation that the reason those ships wobbled was not because of wind but because the earths gravitational field is unstable as such close distance for the anti gravitational fields. bob lazar explained this process in deference to other ufo and the psychodynamics of antigravity process. he explained this process not even talking about the billy meier case, but the ufo at roswell.

[GoldenLalonde]

i would also like to add i believe initially billy's videos were not false and later he began to falsify, probably because he needed the money. the wedding cake ship for example is ridiculous. no matter what micheal horn says.

[GoldenLalonde]

obviously you put a lot of time into thinking about this and making this video, unfortunately it is my personal opinion that you reproductions of ships in the distance do not have the same depth of field as in billy meiers videos. also there is no shadow. his videos passed that test, but yours however , it would not take long to tell they are not far.

[JOOGAL1111]

another excellent vid. lets hope its another nail in the coffin of the old lying bastard. Just get my comment in before the meier youtube trolls descend saying all the usual bullshit about billy liars fantasy hot alien chick and the old chestnut that THEY LOOK NOTHING LIKE BILLY,S.

[Mrmorlam1]

@JOOGAL1111 AWESOME! Thanks for dropping by again. Great comment. Have a good one.

[JOOGAL1111]

@Mrmorlam1 not a probs could watch meier debunk vids all day. just one thing when your making your vids do people look at you funny and say what the fuck are you doing ? i,ve got this vision of you explaining to passers by just what your doing with a model ufo hanging from trees LOL