It reminds me of the "Hadron Particle Collider" and although I do not understand the science behind it, what I do know is that other skeptics of this technological testing ground for research is potentially dangerous to the point where if a mistake should arise... we would simply blink out of existence. (If they created an unmanageable black hole or something)
Science can be a wonderful thing...however it is often hindered by the Galileo Dilemma. The powers that be (now those supporting the status quo in Science), allied with companies who profit from the current state of affairs, discount and squash legitimate challenges to their theories. Look at Anti-Depressant drug companies and how they've dealt with research proving that physical exercise and sun exposure can have the same therapeutic effect as their drugs.
And I think that our current problems with science derive from it being highly "Germanized", in the sense of it being largely a product of Germanic culture and even a Germanic cultural agenda -- which obsessively stresses human synthesis, and a fetishistic love for starkly oversimplified abstractions of design.
But I also think that German culture "contracted" this dominational, anti-natural fetishism as a result of its drama with Roman culture, which in turn got theirs from Greek, etc., etc.
Monsanto also does the same thing with Canola and other plants in the US..there is a documentary about this called "The Future of Food." Seems Monsanto has sued farmers for copyright infringement...because some of their company's special patented seeds corrupted the regular seeds of the farmers'. Ultimately, Monsanto wants to force farmers to buy its seeds every season...as you say.
Well, I didn't mean anything cruel by that term. Because it's for sure that the victims have to live their lives with the effects of it, so it's not my intention to make their lives any harder to bear than they already are.
@LordOrlock Sounds good to me. It makes sense that it would follow that protocol, just like paranoia/paranoiac, hypochondria/hypochondriac, and so on...
@sheilajanae123 the term should be phocomelia. but i do not think people could get the idea from "phocomelia". Hence people used "flipper babies" or "seal-like limb newborns"... i do feel so bad for those victims =(
@TheLogicJunkie: i m so sorry for not replying on time. I wasn't on youtube much. I think phocomelic is an adjective. Phocomelics (noun) refers to patients with phocomelia. But i could be wrong =)
Hey great presentation. Thalidomide gain fresh light in view of the current deadly vaccines and GM doesnt it? We must learn, 'They' shant wont and cant learn !
Well, it does have a use -- even the "improper" stereoisomer -- but if it's used on a female who is unknowingly pregnant, well, we all know the disaster that will happen.
I really like the way you said technology isn't bad but what we do with it, I agree, I see myself as one of the lucky my arms are short but i'm an artist, I do many things, and have my own two horses I train and ride I love history and doing historical ennactments. My Dad Taught me to be strong & tough, Thank you for what your doing!!!!!
Although the most visual effect was shortened limbs, it actually limited fetal development at whatever stage the drug was taken during the first trimester. As little as half a pill taken could cause extensive deformity. There are survivors with internal injuries only. The truly affected population will never be known.
Through research conducted, Thalid basically interfered with the development of the sensory nervous system which is involved in the process of morphogenesis and teratogenesis.
I would first like to apologize, as you are aware my response actually covers several posts due to the character limit. I hope you post and encourage reading all I sent.
Secondly, as the embryo developed to the fetal stage, Thalid. acted as a neurotoxin affecting the development of segmental sensory innervation therefore having a direct impact on the process of morphogenesis and teratogenesis.
For a much better explanation, I encourage reading the McCredie/Willert paper.
What you talk about in this video very much reminds me of Michael Chricton's Jurassic Park, where Ian Malcolm explains that science and scientists are so caught up in the theory and ability to do something they believe is incredible, that they never stop to think if they should do it in the first place.
no problem dude. lol I always wait for a new video, I love watching you, coughlan666, and sometimes when hes not being purely moronic the amazing atheist. oh and tooltime. pretty soon im going to start doing videos, you should subscribe if you think theyre any good.
Actually, I heard that thalidomide was being approved for use as a cancer treatment, to interfere with the growth of tumors, as if they were limbs, I suppose.
The possibly obvious risk then becomes having women who are unknowingly pregnant, but who are taking thalidomide for cancer.
@inquisitive871, well said. I thought I was the only one who remebered her name. I wish this guy would've mentioned her. She was a genuine hero.I think her associates on the FDA sort of blew her off becasue she was a woman and canadian. Sad. She wasn't able to change their minds but she was able to stall 'em long enough until kids starting being born in europe with these disfigurments.
Exactly. The difference between cleverness and wisdom. Man has always been clever, seldom been wise. I always liked this quote by George Lucas "Back in the stone age, we knew maybe 3, on a scale. Now, we are at 9. What people don't realize is the scale goes up to a million"
Yeah, and we need to be less certain that all of our new answers are going to magically solve all of our problems, not reflecting on all the mistakes of the past that didn't turn out so well (Thalidomide, DDT, the gas car, etc)
Actually, I'm one of the few skeptics about the original claims against DDT in Rachel Carson's "Silent Spring". And, yes, I know that probably sounds heartless, but the big problem is that the prohibition of DDT has meant calamity for the African people, for whom the single factor of malaria has done more than just about anything else to keep them a neglected and largely avoided third world nation.
flippers eh?
sounds like Phocomelia....
papasmurfXXX 3 weeks ago
Yes, Homework complete! :D
TheSimpleAdam 1 month ago
Huh?
TheLogicJunkie 1 month ago
It reminds me of the "Hadron Particle Collider" and although I do not understand the science behind it, what I do know is that other skeptics of this technological testing ground for research is potentially dangerous to the point where if a mistake should arise... we would simply blink out of existence. (If they created an unmanageable black hole or something)
WJValente 1 month ago
Thank YOU!!!
KimberlyEibensteiner 1 year ago
Science can be a wonderful thing...however it is often hindered by the Galileo Dilemma. The powers that be (now those supporting the status quo in Science), allied with companies who profit from the current state of affairs, discount and squash legitimate challenges to their theories. Look at Anti-Depressant drug companies and how they've dealt with research proving that physical exercise and sun exposure can have the same therapeutic effect as their drugs.
saintgauden 1 year ago 2
And I think that our current problems with science derive from it being highly "Germanized", in the sense of it being largely a product of Germanic culture and even a Germanic cultural agenda -- which obsessively stresses human synthesis, and a fetishistic love for starkly oversimplified abstractions of design.
But I also think that German culture "contracted" this dominational, anti-natural fetishism as a result of its drama with Roman culture, which in turn got theirs from Greek, etc., etc.
TheLogicJunkie 1 year ago
@saintgauden My life is ruined by Cymbalta..and your right, sunshine and fresh air.
paulfromdonmills 6 months ago
Monsanto also does the same thing with Canola and other plants in the US..there is a documentary about this called "The Future of Food." Seems Monsanto has sued farmers for copyright infringement...because some of their company's special patented seeds corrupted the regular seeds of the farmers'. Ultimately, Monsanto wants to force farmers to buy its seeds every season...as you say.
saintgauden 1 year ago
lol the flipper baby thing made me lol
alibugbug 1 year ago
Well, I didn't mean anything cruel by that term. Because it's for sure that the victims have to live their lives with the effects of it, so it's not my intention to make their lives any harder to bear than they already are.
TheLogicJunkie 1 year ago
@TheLogicJunkie haha im saying it was funny ;) it made me smile with my twisted sense of humor
alibugbug 1 year ago
Just a thought on the 'flipper babies' maybe DNA challanged, Chemical altered state.
Reguardless,this chemical is making a come back on the market with a change of use.
196323100 1 year ago
@TheLogicJunkie yea, i knew about Rosalind Franklin but i didn't know about Maurice Wilkins. Thanks for sharing =)
kimhoncho 1 year ago
i do not like your term "flipper babys" :/
disrespectfull...
sheilajanae123 1 year ago
Well, that's the only term I've ever heard used. If you have a better term, let me know.
TheLogicJunkie 1 year ago
@TheLogicJunkie maybe use the trem deformed arms? or something a little more nice..
no disrespect to you.
sheilajanae123 1 year ago
@TheLogicJunkie 'Flipper Babies' refers to phocomelia, but I dont know what the singular for a person suffering it is. Phocomeliac?
LordOrlock 1 month ago
@LordOrlock Sounds good to me. It makes sense that it would follow that protocol, just like paranoia/paranoiac, hypochondria/hypochondriac, and so on...
TheLogicJunkie 1 month ago
@sheilajanae123 the term should be phocomelia. but i do not think people could get the idea from "phocomelia". Hence people used "flipper babies" or "seal-like limb newborns"... i do feel so bad for those victims =(
kimhoncho 1 year ago
What about "phocomelic", or "phocomelics"? (I don't even know what that word means, by the way.)
TheLogicJunkie 1 year ago
@TheLogicJunkie I THINK "phocomelia" is a noun, and "phocomelic" could be an adjective. I am so sorry, i wish i could be more useful =(
kimhoncho 1 year ago
@TheLogicJunkie: i m so sorry for not replying on time. I wasn't on youtube much. I think phocomelic is an adjective. Phocomelics (noun) refers to patients with phocomelia. But i could be wrong =)
kimhoncho 4 months ago
@kimhoncho No worries -- in fact, I just found a message that had been waiting in my queue for three whole years.
TheLogicJunkie 4 months ago
Thank you for the breakdown of the chemical.
196323100 1 year ago
Well, it's not very detailed, but the problem is that most explanations neglect the "big picture" approach.
...Anyhow, you're welcome.
TheLogicJunkie 1 year ago
No problem.
TheLogicJunkie 1 year ago
Hey great presentation. Thalidomide gain fresh light in view of the current deadly vaccines and GM doesnt it? We must learn, 'They' shant wont and cant learn !
Tomorer 2 years ago
Well, it does have a use -- even the "improper" stereoisomer -- but if it's used on a female who is unknowingly pregnant, well, we all know the disaster that will happen.
TheLogicJunkie 1 year ago
I really like the way you said technology isn't bad but what we do with it, I agree, I see myself as one of the lucky my arms are short but i'm an artist, I do many things, and have my own two horses I train and ride I love history and doing historical ennactments. My Dad Taught me to be strong & tough, Thank you for what your doing!!!!!
cynthiasmagick 2 years ago
Glad you like it. I can't imagine the kind of strength it takes to adapt to that.
TheLogicJunkie 2 years ago
Hon I am A Thalidomide yes here in america, I came over with my dad They knew 7yrs before I was born of the effects
cynthiasmagick 2 years ago
That's even worse.
TheLogicJunkie 2 years ago
It's not that we didn't learn the lesson.. It's that the majority don't care as long as they themself can benefit.
Ramla777 2 years ago
Yes, probably true. Many human beings are cannibals.
TheLogicJunkie 2 years ago
Good description of the disease and nice incite.
pik4lif 2 years ago
An incomplete and flawed knowledge of history and the fact about Thalidomide. Sad...
scenicruzer 2 years ago
Then why don't you tell us what the "un-flawed" truth is, then, if I'm so wrong.
TheLogicJunkie 2 years ago
Although the most visual effect was shortened limbs, it actually limited fetal development at whatever stage the drug was taken during the first trimester. As little as half a pill taken could cause extensive deformity. There are survivors with internal injuries only. The truly affected population will never be known.
Through research conducted, Thalid basically interfered with the development of the sensory nervous system which is involved in the process of morphogenesis and teratogenesis.
scenicruzer 2 years ago 2
So, in effect, the fetus uses "feeling" in order to properly grow? It is feeling out directions to grow toward?
TheLogicJunkie 2 years ago
I would first like to apologize, as you are aware my response actually covers several posts due to the character limit. I hope you post and encourage reading all I sent.
Secondly, as the embryo developed to the fetal stage, Thalid. acted as a neurotoxin affecting the development of segmental sensory innervation therefore having a direct impact on the process of morphogenesis and teratogenesis.
For a much better explanation, I encourage reading the McCredie/Willert paper.
scenicruzer 2 years ago
it be better if the flipper babbys actully had flippers oke the seal peaple at freak shows
toadenk 2 years ago
Solid video, David!
The never ending battle between the competitive thirst for knowledge...and not fucking with Mother Nature.
sportsbettingman 2 years ago
*L* Yeah, don't fuck with Mother Nature. At least not until after you've spent a lot of time on foreplay.
TheLogicJunkie 2 years ago
What you talk about in this video very much reminds me of Michael Chricton's Jurassic Park, where Ian Malcolm explains that science and scientists are so caught up in the theory and ability to do something they believe is incredible, that they never stop to think if they should do it in the first place.
slashrules88 2 years ago
Yeah, that's a major theme of all Crichton's work -- the struggle being power and conscience... or, as I phrase it, vanity and sanity.
TheLogicJunkie 2 years ago
people definitely need to learn to be a good deal more mistrusting about certain things
yep
dubaiedge 2 years ago
insightful. im so glad i subcribed to you. haha. that was forever ago though.
XxMetalManxX 2 years ago
*L* Thanks for saying so.
TheLogicJunkie 2 years ago
no problem dude. lol I always wait for a new video, I love watching you, coughlan666, and sometimes when hes not being purely moronic the amazing atheist. oh and tooltime. pretty soon im going to start doing videos, you should subscribe if you think theyre any good.
XxMetalManxX 2 years ago
Sure thing; I'd love to see 'em.
TheLogicJunkie 2 years ago
The person who blocked the use of it is still alive. She's 94.
Frances Kathleen Oldham Kelsey
inquisitive871 2 years ago
94. Wow.
Actually, I heard that thalidomide was being approved for use as a cancer treatment, to interfere with the growth of tumors, as if they were limbs, I suppose.
The possibly obvious risk then becomes having women who are unknowingly pregnant, but who are taking thalidomide for cancer.
TheLogicJunkie 2 years ago
@inquisitive871, well said. I thought I was the only one who remebered her name. I wish this guy would've mentioned her. She was a genuine hero.I think her associates on the FDA sort of blew her off becasue she was a woman and canadian. Sad. She wasn't able to change their minds but she was able to stall 'em long enough until kids starting being born in europe with these disfigurments.
dave4248 1 year ago
Five Stars!!
MadBadVoodo 2 years ago
Exactly. The difference between cleverness and wisdom. Man has always been clever, seldom been wise. I always liked this quote by George Lucas "Back in the stone age, we knew maybe 3, on a scale. Now, we are at 9. What people don't realize is the scale goes up to a million"
ozjthomas 2 years ago
I don't think we're totally ignorant, but people definitely need to learn to be a good deal more mistrusting about certain things than they are.
TheLogicJunkie 2 years ago
Yeah, and we need to be less certain that all of our new answers are going to magically solve all of our problems, not reflecting on all the mistakes of the past that didn't turn out so well (Thalidomide, DDT, the gas car, etc)
ozjthomas 2 years ago
Actually, I'm one of the few skeptics about the original claims against DDT in Rachel Carson's "Silent Spring". And, yes, I know that probably sounds heartless, but the big problem is that the prohibition of DDT has meant calamity for the African people, for whom the single factor of malaria has done more than just about anything else to keep them a neglected and largely avoided third world nation.
TheLogicJunkie 2 years ago