the conclusion is this my apprence does not determine who i am and whos i am however it is my walk that proves everything remember they could not recieve Jesus because of how he looked religious spirits judge the extarnal if we go based on the exsternal it will violate all that Christ achieve on the Cross love you God Bless
well that question is great but lets think broader if its wrong for me to spend money on tattoos because it impliments self vain glory then all your unessicery spenditure should be acounted for. Whats the purpose of having things that you like INTREST thats the purpose. is tattoing a sin in levitcus 19 it also says that we should not eat meat bearing blood so if tattooing is a sin there than the stake you eat is a sin also
You judge a mans spirit by the fruit it produces not by his appearance. if someone can use tattoos as a tool for the spirit you should not hinder him in any way.
All things are acceptable but not all things are beneficial.
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In the name of the Lord, tell them not to argue over words that are not important. It helps no one and it hurts the faith of those who are listening. Do your best to know that God is pleased with you. Be as a workman who has nothing to be ashamed of. Teach the words of truth in the right way. Do not listen to foolish talk about things that mean nothing. It only leads people farther away from God. Such talk will spread like cancer.
IM NOT CAR TO BE PUTTING NO BUMPER STICKER ON ME. I AM A CHILD OF GOD A ROYAL PRIESTHOOD. THIS BODY IS DEDICATED TO GOD FOR THIS IS THE TEMPLE WHERE THE SPIRIT DWELLS. FIRST ON THE INSIDE THEN ON THE OUTSIDE. WE ARE TO BE EXAMPLES OF THE WORLD NOT A FOLLOWER OF THE WORLD.
Leviticus 19:28 - talks about not marking or cutting your body for the dead. Tattoos are a controversial issue for Christianity. I think it depends primarily on what your intentions are and what it is you are getting tattooed. Most people idolize something by getting it tattooed. So, if it doesn't glorify God, if it's significance is not eternal or is not beneficial for uplifting the body, it shouldn't be done. However, I have 2 tattoos, both of which make me focus more on God and glorifying Him
I agree that not everything is forbidden, but not everything is benficial. But in the same vein, the only things we really NEED to do is believe, pray, eat, sleep, and work(so we can eat and pay tithes) so anything else would not be beneficial to the christian, so I would say that tattoos are the same as watching tv or reading a book that is not the bible. I'm not trying to argue just offering my thoughts.
I agree with you. The gospel alone has power. We don't need to dress it up. Unfortunately, from the baroque architecture of churches to tatoos to "Christian rock," the gospel has been hijacked by the world. In Christ ALONE our hope is found! =)
Im getting a tattoo that will be in a place where nobody except me can see it when im clothed... I want the tattoo for me....its not for anyone else to see...its to remind me about my faith, not for vanity...I still dont understand why anyone would get a tattoo that is just a design....it makes no sense...just to look cool??
I have many big tattoos and was apprenticing a tattoo artist before God took hold of me.I became a Christian and had my son, i just automatically thought "now I'll tattoo my son's name on me..." but NEEDED to know that I was doing the will of my father...all signs pointed to NO. But now I have a few tattoos that I'd like to cover, even with a black bar...what's your opinion of covering some from "the old man"? Thank you for your post Joel! Grace to you!! God Bless and keep you.
Joel, don't take this as a critisism. I'm curious as to your thoughts. You seem to think that tats should never be used for aethstetic purposes. Why do you choose your hair do (or lack there of in this vid)? Why do you trim your beard the way you do? Why do you select the clothes you wear? Wouldn't it be for aethstetic purposes? That doesn't automatically make it vanity. What is the difference with tattoos?
@OfWrathAndGrace - The aesthetic problem with tattoos is they are permanent. And you know it is very different for me to shave my head than to put artificial chemicals permanently in my skin.
The vanity is because it is expensive and serves no other purpose. I shave my mustache because it's free and my wife doesn't like to kiss it. I shave my head when it's hot. I wear clothes because it's the law. There is a big difference and you know it, but you're pushing for justification.
@JoelTheCalvinist Yes, tattoos are permanent, but if you were to shave your head for aesthetics what makes it any worse in that regard? Even if the consequence is temp. the motivation would be the same.
Expensive? Yes. But in one of your other vids. you spoke of some of the things you've bought that aren't necessities & defended them. "And serves no other purpose"? Don't assume that if they serve no other purpose for you that that applies to everyone else...
@JoelTheCalvinist ...Also, are you saying that when you are deciding how to groom yourself, what clothes to wear, etc., what you think looks good plays no part in your decision? It's 100% functionality?
"There is a big difference and you know it, but you're pushing for justification."
Was that necessary? I thought I had legitamate questions presented in a non confrontational manner. If it seemed otherwise, I apologize. I'm not looking for justification. Before I got tatted I took...
Get off the fence!!! Just kidding. I don't believe tattoos are what a Christian should be doing to the temple Christ now lives in. Would you graffiti a bunch of crosses all over the church walls? It's disfiguring. It's dangerous. Like you said, it's vain. It's worldly. It has it's historic roots in paganism. Need I go on? It's just silly to me that a Christian would even consider doing this. Jesus' prayer for us was to be in this world but not OF this world.
They do give a ministry opportunity. We need open doors to share the Gospel, and the Alpha-Omega example you give is one that I would imagine God might use as a door. But I would say that this is a redemption of the sin: He takes what was not good and uses it for good.
So... this video is making me rethink it, to be honest. I'd love to physically and outwardly mark myself as a slave of our Lord so that anyone could see, but why do that when I could show them with my actions instead? Faith with/without works, ya know? We call ourselves followers of the Way. Let's do more to prove it and make it more obvious.
I've actually been thinking of getting a tattoo of the Greek word "doulos" which in the New Testament was the word many disciples called themselves as bondservants or slaves of Christ. Are tattoos necessary? Absolutely not. Could that money be put to better use? Without a doubt. You could feed the poor, help out your community church family, clothe the naked (there are more naked people running around than you might think...)
Reasons against: 1. Spending money on a permanent marking that is solely for vanity. 2. It is only for selfish or vain reasons, to get one. If it wasnt, and if it is so good to get one, then Christians should be paying for others to get them, maybe a tattoo ministry. Can you see the absurdity? 3. Phillipians 3:2 4. Jude 1:4 5. 1 Peter 4:1-6 and 2 Peter 2 6. 1 Peter 2:16. Live by the Spirit, Ephesians 4!
Grace isn't cheap, you were bought with a price, your body is not your own.
well it depends on the tattoo i mean if u have simple tattoo like your kids names or even religious tattoos its not representing anything evil, but if u have skulls n fire things like that then yea thats evil
Ephesians 2:8 8For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God repent and ask god to forgive you of your sin and ask jesus christ to come into your life our savior and reedemer thats all folks. apparently some people dont read the Word so they are quick to judge. Guess what prideful, how about pushing people away from god the truth you are legalistic but you dont see nothing wrong with yourself because you are perfect.
well i dont have a good reason to y Christians should get tattoos i guess the only reason i would have is if a Christian wants a tattoo whats the big deal? yea God might be against it but then again He might not be as humans we cant be absolutely 100% accurate on what God is for or what hes against, but even if He really is against tattoos i dont think some permanent ink on my body will keep me out of Heaven its not that big of a deal
When Jesus comes again, He'll have his name "tattooed" on his thigh.
And I agree with your friends, that it's okay to have them, but I agree with you, in that they aren't necessary. God gives special revelation to people, so if it's God's will for a person to get a tattoo, they should do it. If not, they shouldn't bother.
and that is wrong and i agree with that being looked down upon. but in the same scripture it also says u shouldnt cut ur hair shorter than your ears and we shouldnt eat pork i mean come on guys if it is right with your spirit i am all for it, i have just recently got my first tatoo which says HE>i and it allows me to share my faith with people that i normally couldnt it allows you into the tatoo culture , also i am an intern at an assemblies of god church and plan on getting more tats
pretty much the big thing people tend to hit on is that the old testament law says that we should not mark our bodies and this is true.
people that say the old testament laws do not apply are wrong, because jesus didnt come to overthrow the laws but to fulfill them
however tatoos now a days are very different from the old pagan ones. back then they did it because they thought it allowed them to help their ancestors pass on
I would say that having a tattoo or not having a tattoo is not the issue. The issue is the heart in which it is done. I see it as the same with alcohol. I am pro-alcohol but your question of "What is the point?" Isn't a sticking point because Jesus turned water into wine. Now you may say I am comparing apples to oranges but on the point of asking "whats the point?" I could raise that same issue with wine. If we do something for the glory of God then I think it is OK.
Eating and drinking can be done to the glory of God (1 Cor 10).
Sin, on the other hand, cannot. The question is, are tattoos a sin? My "what's the point" question is, "what is the benefit?" Food and drink sustain us. Tattoos do nothing for God except scar his creation.
surely if you have tattos, and god loves you...im sure he wouldnt mind if someone was to get a tatto towards christianity...and to have a personal reminder, a decoration of christianity on thier body so therefore its like a celebration that they believe in christ..or way of opening up conversations, something that is symbolic in what they believe in...
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hi, ive got 6 tats and all were done b.c. and i regret all of them, i feel like i mutilated my body, Gods holy temple. and now like you would never get another one, to me they look tacky. Now I think some Christians would say they are glorifying Jesus to have a spiritual tattoo on them but i think its vanity, but who am i to judge there motives right. I am thankful that none of them are demonic looking though. A friend of mine encouraged me that with my tattoos, I may be able to reach some
You shouldn't have anything on your boby. God says your body is a temple and if you desecrate it he can not enter. You could not wear any crosses or rings or ear rings that are symbols of whats on earth or in the heavens says the lord. I have to relook where that one is in the bible but its in there.
The verse you are talking about is: "You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth." - Exodus 20:4
But the next verse says why -- because we are not to worship them.
If we can't have crosses, we also can't have photos, drawings, sculptures, movies, xerox machines, GPS systems, and tons more.
whats up man.. God bless.. I have also thought bout this alot and came to a little bit of a conclucion. Leviticus also tells us not to peirce our skin,(ears) cut our beards or mix crops or eat other meats. Also, why would women wear earings? If its for estetic elements then y would we buy clothes and hats that make us look a way we want or "cooler"? ive bin raised the way to see them as bad but ive opended up a bit bout them.
There is something to be said about how our culture views things. Paul's correction of women's behavior is largely based on the women of the society and separating themselves from the pagan lives they once lived.
Tattoos are fundamentally different. Someone can be turned away for a job for having a tattoo, never a woman for having her ears pierced-- that would almost be expected.
From a social + biblical standpoint, tattoos are worthless.
I don't like the way you are going about things. You want to silence me because I don't agree with you and i'm actually making sense, now you will not speak to me because you just don't agree. It's not the way to go. ITS NOT.
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No. Leviticus 19:28, "Do not cut your bodies for the dead, and do not mark your skin with tattoos. I am the Lord. God wants christians to seperate themselves from pagan rituals etc. like getting tatoos written all over your body
Christ sees things from the inside out. He knows your heart and your motives, even when you don't. However, the world sees things from the outside in. What you do on the outside may help or hinder them in entering the Kingdom of God. This decision of getting a tattoo needs to be more than looking cool. Tattoos could help, tattoos can hurt. If a tattoo could help lead one person to Salvation, then it is worth it..
nything in excess is bad, a tattoo is only bad if you put too many on yourself, same with a chocolate, in excess it is bad, but in a over dramatic quantity you don't have to take it because it's effect is no longer average. That is my reason for it being alright.
Also this may be just because it is your typing and not actually you talking to me, but you seem to give out a negative impact on me instead of a positive.
I mean you said earlier I came and accused you of a lot of things, which actually to me is just asking questions, because I am only 15, I am still learning. So there is no need to keep out giving me a negative impact because you aren't just giving me an answer you are giving me a negative impact making my mood drop.
what was christianity in the first place???? IT WAS REBELLION..... in today society tattooing is rebellion... christian tattooing = ultimate rebellion from the world?
No, Christianity was not a rebellion. There are aspects that are built into Christianity that led to rebellion in the 1st century (like refusing to bow to Caesar as God).
If tattooing to you is a sign of rebellion, why would you do it?! We are called to be transformed to be different from the world (Rom 12) and the rebellion mentioned in Romans 13 brings about the wrath of God.
and no, it does not say we can't have symbols on our body, I bet to you now if a guy dies and goes for judgement, god won't say you have a tattoo, go to hell.For god is kind and merciful, and he would understand that if we like a tattoo,which isnt really ruining our body,he would understand. Youre a man and are putting your feelings before anything else, God sees past these human emotions and has compassion millions of times more intense than your own. Now for the love of god stop insulting me.
Leviticus 19:26-31 deals with pagan practices and God's prohibitions against adopting those practices. In verse 28, God is warning the Jewish people about a pagan practice at funerals, where pagans would mutilate/mark themselves to appease their false gods. The pagans hoped that by cutting themselves and marking images/symbols of idols on their bodies, that they would obtain favour in the afterlife from their false gods, both for themselves and for those who just died.
ok, this it the thing, tattooing is not a sin, the only factor is this, is it bringing glory to God, and are you bringing down others by getting one. most of the times you are being selfish when getting one... however it can be used for Gods glory. If God used a rock to talk to a guy, then God could used a tattoo to show His glory... and those are verses i saw off a website saying christians could get tattoos, not my interpretations. just wanted your opinion.
Then I saw another angel ascend from the rising of the sun, with the seal of the living God, and he called with a loud voice to the four angels who had been given power to harm earth and sea, saying, 'Do not harm the earth or the sea or the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God upon their foreheads.'"
-Revelation 7:2-3
"On his robe and on his thigh he has a name inscribed, King of kings and Lord of lords."
"And he carried me away in the Spirit into a wilderness, and I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was full of blasphemous names, and it had seven heads and ten horns." Rev 17:3
I sure hope you don't interpret that one like you did the other verses!
Since you're 15 I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say you're probably not a philosophical thinker.
No one just "knows" something. They are taught it or it is built in to our nature. Since the term "free will" has a definition behind it, it must be learned.
The problem is, Christians base what is true on the Bible -- and the Bible speaks nothing of "free will." It teaches that God is in control of the universe, period.
Until you can have a biblical conversation about this-- peace.
don't try to dumb down what I'm saying because I am 15, because I know for a fact on this topic you are wrong. I don't know what you are, a christian or not, anyways, god is in control, he has the power, but he will not interfere with what we do. He does sometimes but he rarely actually interferes. A tattoo, is not a sin, please actually give me proof that a tattoo is a sin instead of going off topic and preaching to me things that have little to do with having a tattoo.
ok congradulations, you are correct? You just upset me now, insulting me, and just made me feel bad. Ha for a religious man who is supposed to be one with god, I can see a lot of sin in you, to be honest at this point you just stepped away from God. I may be ignorant but I can say for a fact I am with God, you on the other hand, just now, proved your anger, and your ferociousness. Big words for such a little man? Ha, quite an angry person you are. More people should see this side to you.
Here's the thing: You come to my channel, my videos, leave comments on how I am wrong with no evidence, biblical argument -- anything. Then you bash what I have given my life to. It is easy for me to get upset especially when the person who is arguing with me is supposed to be on the same team.
hmm, well the thing is, I just don't agree with you that the tattoo is a sin, but you know what, i'm wrong, i still think i'm right about the tattoo but I think it is my opinion, I shouldn't think any less of yours just because we don't agree. I still think you were a bit harsh earlier but it's fine. And I am on the same team with you, I just dont agree on certain topics. And um, I think even if I am wrong God will understand why i'm thinking the way I am about tattoos.
Oh yeah and not of benefit, it can be a benefit of the person who has it? If he wants it. It is not of benefit of you to have a car and pollute the world, and yet i'm sure you have one, it is not of benefit of you to have a computer, it also ruins the planet, and yet i'm sure you have one.
My car gets me to work, to church, and allows me to minister to the homeless.
My computer gives me the chance to evangelize to people all over the world and gives me access to infinite resources for Bible study and growth.
Now, what I am asking is: Give me an example of something like what I listed that tattoos give. You say they like it so its OK. If I like to go to strip clubs does it make it OK? Of course you will say no. So please give me a different reason that can be applied universally.
Sorry Joel for what I said, and sorry if it felt I was attacking you. Yes I agree with you now, there is no significant or importance of having a tattoo. And what's the poit if it's going to last forever on your body ruinining it increasing the risk of skin cancer. Hope you forgive me Joel :) If I annoyed you :S Oh and um Joel could you help me with this girl on utube, she is quite annoying and is inslting Christianity and I dont know how to explain it to her
Yeah, I just thought about what I was saying, and although I some what agreed with my views I found out that yes tattoos have no importance and therefore should not be there. Stays on our body forever so yeah :S
Never say Never, were not perfect and we will always be tempted. Your right it is expensive. Now, does location have a factor as well? Were we live... if I live in the south were people are more friendly and talkative, rather then the big cities were people are to themselves... Does that have a factor ?
not saying that i wont get one, but, thank you for your advice, i understand the concept of laziness, people should see the fruits of christianity not a tattoo. i still find it somewhat helpful, and the tattoo that i came up with will not remind me of my sinful failures but of the way God helped me through my valleys, Romans 8 28 is part of the tattoo i came up with as well.. and the whole concept of holding yourself accountable, would you go into a bar or strip club with this christian tattoo?
I told myself I was doing it for those EXACT reasons.
In reality, I just wanted a tattoo cause I liked them and if I could make the subject seem admirable, then it was a win/win.
But in reality, when I came to clearly understand my purpose on earth (as you clearly stated from Romans) I realized that tattoos are pointless. Even worse, they remind me of my sin and are permanent.
From one christian to another, I would discourage you from doing it. The appeal from them is worldly -- truly.
tattooing is not a sin, Leviticus 19:26-31 deals with pagan practices and God's prohibitions against adopting those practices. In verse 28, God is warning the Jewish people about a pagan practice at funerals, where pagans would mutilate/mark themselves to appease their false gods. The pagans hoped that by cutting themselves and marking images/symbols of idols on their bodies, that they would obtain favour in the afterlife from their false gods, both for themselves and for those who just died.
i personally don't see anything wrong with tatoos or piercings. HOWEVER there is a LIMIT. if someone covers themselves with tatoos it's kind of disrespecting God's creation of yourself. the reason why you got it and also what it symbolizes affect if it's ok or not.
ps the cool thing ummm, you said you got the tatoos cause you thought it was cool, if you find that bad or vain, what would you say to people who buy jewelry or even clothes that they think is cool? are they being vain?
I know vanity is bad but like how is getting something you think is cool bad, but like i mean if you got something ordinary (not evil or demonic) cause you thought it's cool, do you view that as being vain???? and if so why?
Jewlery can definitely be vain. I wear a wedding ring. This is a symbol of my commitment to my wife. Clothes are required by law. These can serve functional purposes.
What functional purpose does a tattoo serve?
Now with your answer, support that purpose with the Bible.
It is our body, it is permenant, but if we want it, then i'd like to think we are aloud to, there is nothing in the bible that says that having a tatoo is forbidden.
yes, but god gave us that body. It is not going against god to put a tatoo on your skin. For example if a guy likes something and wants to put a tatoo on himself, it's not exactly sinning is it? I mean what exactly is wrong about it?
"[Do] you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own, for you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body." 1 Cor 6:19-20
So the question if it is a sin or not is kinda tricky. Since we don't have a New Testament verse about tattoos, it's based on conviction.
But my question is, What is good about it? It glorifies yourself.
also it's a matter of free will, it's god's yes so is god going to take our body and say hmm I'll do whatever I want with this body, it's my property, no. he'll give us the opportunity to make mistakes, do good things, and progress through life, enjoying it, and also taking responsibility.
That's almost exactly what he says, Romans 9:20-23.
Yes we have responsibility, but we as Christians do not own our bodies. God does.
Basically what that means is pretend like you borrowed it. If you borrowed someone's car would you go get your own personal designs painted on it? It doesn't help the car, its just a selfish thing you want to look at.
I doubt that god would convict the bearing of tatoos, because if that is god's word then he sounds like an unjust person. The body is our temple yes, but a tatoo doesn't destroy our body, it just puts a symbol on our body. Now i'm not talking about putting tatoos all over ourself, but one tatoo or a few little ones, does no harm. And the thing about the car, I don't think you can compare humans to cars. And he gave us free will, so the owner of the car gives us the free will, to do what we want.
Haha, all I can say is you are taking it way over board. You don't get from a tatoo to lust and suicide. There is no wrong doing by having a tatoo, and like i've said many times we have FREE WILL, he gave us bodies and i'd like to think he'd allow us to do what we want with it, as long as we don't ruin it. Does a tatoo ruin a body? Maybe it does, maybe it doesnt, every person has a different opinion, and there is no where in the bible that firmly states that a person cannot have a tattoo.
So...more topically relevant comments, as well as topically relevant questions which don't get answered, marked as spam. The pettiness and childishness being displayed in this is appalling.
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You are not supposed to decorate the body with jewelry, tattoos, piercings or otherwise. It is vanity. It is sin. The body is the temple God, not to be desecrated.
A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
Rainzion: You are confused. You think Christians should accept sin as if it doesn't exist. You are the luke warm for Christ. And where does it say in scripture that we are to remain silent when we see others sin? Didn't Jesus command people not to sin? Tattoos are desecrating the body to impress others, and that's sin. Vanity is not defined as "thinking you're better than someone else". Vanity means being proud of yourself.
You said "You think Christians should accept sin as if it doesn't exist."
No...I never once said that. Now you are taking this from tattoos to sin period, inferring I condone sin and then going as far as to say I am lukewarm? Apparently you are very judgemental...and fleshly at that.
Yes, we are not to sin. But none of us is sinless.
Are you sin free?
If you say you are without sin you are a liar. 1 John 1:10
Having a view contrary to yours of what the bible says, from looking at the whole of scripture (exegesis) and not pulling one verse out of the text in Leviticus, about tattoos does not mean I condone sin.
I'd like to share some of this: What Is Sin? David Powlison
First, people tend to think of sins in the plural as consciously willed acts where one was aware of and chose not to do the righteous alternative. Sin, in this popular misunderstanding, refers to matters of conscious volitional awareness of wrongdoing and the ability to do otherwise. This instinctive view of sin infects many Christians and almost all non-Christians.
cont. - It has a long legacy in the church under the label Pelagianism, one of the oldest and most instinctive heresies. The Bible's view of sin certainly includes the high-handed sins where evil approaches full volitional awareness. But sin also includes what we simply are, and the perverse ways we think, want, remember, and react.
cont. - Most sin is invisible to the sinner because it is simply how the sinner works, how the sinner perceives, wants, and interprets things. Once we see sin for what it really is - madness and evil intentions in our hearts, absence of any fear of God, slavery to various passions (Eccl. 9:3; Gen. 6:5; Ps. 36:1; Titus 3:3)
cont. - - then it becomes easier to see how sin is the immediate and specific problem all counseling deals with at every moment, not a general and remote problem. The core insanity of the human heart is that we violate the first great commandment. We will love anything, except God, unless our madness is checked by grace.
cont. - People do not tend to see sin as applying to relatively unconscious problems, to the deep, interesting, and bedeviling stuff in our hearts. But God's descriptions of sin often highlight the unconscious aspect. Sin - the desires we pursue, the beliefs we hold, the habits we obey as second nature - is intrinsically deceitful. If we knew we were deceived, we would not be deceived.
cont. - But we are deceived, unless awakened through God's truth and Spirit. Sin is a darkened mind, drunkenness, animal-like instinct and compulsion, madness, slavery, ignorance, stupor. People often think that to define sin as unconscious removes human responsibility.
cont. - How can we be culpable for what we did not sit down and choose to do? But the Bible takes the opposite track. The unconscious and semiconscious nature of much sin simply testifies to the fact that we are steeped in it. Sinners think, want, and act sinlike by nature, nurture, and practice.
Joel - I know I just posted a small book...I think people often get hung up on viewing 'others sins' without realizing we all sin daily in thought and deed.
I do not think it is alright for a Christian to single out another Christian with tattoos and imply that they are lukewarm and condone sin because they have tattoos...or that it is alright for a Christian to hold a lesser opinion of them because of their tattoos.
My wife isn't confused; you don't know her in the least. You are the one who is obviously confused. Your statements are ridiculous. You like to make unfounded, judgmental statements. And you're showing a misunderstanding of the scriptures, as well.
"You think Christians should accept sin as if it doesn't exist. You are the luke warm for Christ."
Where do you get this garbage? She never once even implied these things. And since I know her and you don't, I'LL tell YOU that you couldn't be more wrong.
Your judgment is truly of the flesh, not the Spirit.
Amen, Rain. He exhibits prideful conceit, which is vanity. Ironic, considering the fact that there absolutely are women, you being one of them, with tats who are more mature in Christ and knowledgable of the Word than this person. And he has a lesser opinion? That's hilarious.
What you did was eisegete 1 Timothy 2:9-10 which is NOT saying women cannot wear jewelry or braid their hair. These versesmake the point that a woman's true beauty comes from within and is properly expressed by living a godly life rather than showy clothing and jewelry - and Leviticus 19:28.
"You are not supposed to decorate the body with jewelry, tattoos, piercings or otherwise. It is vanity."
Ridiculous. First of all, if people do these things unto themselves, with a clear conscience before God, and not for the sake of others, then it isn't vanity. Who are you to judge the thoughts and intents of another's heart? That's God's concern, not yours.
Second, by your own legalistic standard, if you're married, neither you nor your wife better wear wedding rings; if so, you are both in sin. And she better not wear jewelry, not even earrings. If so, she is in sin.
For that matter, by your own legalistic standards, you better not comb your hair or cut your nails or put on clean clothes or do anything to present yourself a certain way to others. If you do, then it is VANITY and it is SIN.
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People get tattoos and piercings to try to show off to their peers, to try to impress others, even to try to rebel against parents who find them ugly. They don't get them so they can sit around and admire them. Thats why the people with lots of tattoos always display them, they want to show them off. Its vanity, it's sin, and thats why I don't have any. If you want to face God with a bunch of them, you're right, thats between you and God, but I'd rather not desecrate my body.
"People get tattoos and piercings to try to show off to their peers, to try to impress others, even to try to rebel against parents who find them ugly."
That may be the motive of some, but certainly not all. I repeat: Who are you to judge the thoughts and intents of another's heart? That's God's concern, not yours.
You've failed to respond to the questions you have been asked, in regards to supporting your opinion with scripture. This is because, as I said, you can not do so without excercising in poor exegesis and ripping verses out of context.
Here's a question: if you attend a local church gathering, are you adamantly telling the leadership of your church that they and their their wives are in sin for wearing wedding rings or earrings or any jewelry at all? Are you pointing that fleshly finger at everyone in your church, calling them all out on their "sin" of wearing wedding bands, jewelry, etc.? If not, then you are condoning their sin, by your unbiblical standards, since you have said that it's your job to point out sin.
"even to try to rebel against parents who find them ugly."
Most states in the US have an age requirement of 18 to be either pierced or tattooed in a licensed shop. One also must show government issued ID as proof of age. Most states do not even have a parental consent option so one must wait until they are 18...a legal adult.
If a person who is 18 and chooses to get a tattoo done with or without their parents permission, it is their right.
As an adult who does not rely on my parents for any type of support, who does not live under their roof but am grown and married - biblically I do NOT need my parents permission to do something.
It may be the 18 yr. old's legal right but that still doesn't change why they are doing it. They get them for vanity, to impress their friends and who they show them to, and/or to rebel against their parents, authority, or God.
A blanket statement - used alot by people who like to stereotype.
(A stereotype is a "fixed" way of thinking about people in which you classify others into specific categories without much room for individualism or variation.)
You sound more and more like a bigot with every post.
Your views are merely personal opinion, not biblical truth. We have asked you a handful of times to back up your opinions with scripture, but you haven't. In fact, you can't without, as I said, taking verses out of context to fit your bigoted views. You've responded to my wife, yet haven't responded to me or my questions even once. You obviously either aren't interested or capable of holding an adult or biblical conversation. You just want to spew unrighteous judgment at others. We're done here.
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I never said that a true Christian was in jeopardy of losing their salvation due to tattoos or piercings. I said it's a sin and desecration of the body, the temple of God. Hate me if I lie, but don't hate me if I don't support your sin.
I said I was done here, but this folly needs to be addressed. First of all, we never once said that you said tats will cause a person to lose their salvation. We also don't hate you. You put words in our mouths and make false assumptions. Second, your opinion that it is sin is unbiblical, and you haven't provided any biblical proof; thus, it's your opinion and nothing more.
the conclusion is this my apprence does not determine who i am and whos i am however it is my walk that proves everything remember they could not recieve Jesus because of how he looked religious spirits judge the extarnal if we go based on the exsternal it will violate all that Christ achieve on the Cross love you God Bless
joshuavillela 5 days ago
well that question is great but lets think broader if its wrong for me to spend money on tattoos because it impliments self vain glory then all your unessicery spenditure should be acounted for. Whats the purpose of having things that you like INTREST thats the purpose. is tattoing a sin in levitcus 19 it also says that we should not eat meat bearing blood so if tattooing is a sin there than the stake you eat is a sin also
joshuavillela 5 days ago
You judge a mans spirit by the fruit it produces not by his appearance. if someone can use tattoos as a tool for the spirit you should not hinder him in any way.
IIILostIIIEdgesIII 1 month ago
All things are acceptable but not all things are beneficial.
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In the name of the Lord, tell them not to argue over words that are not important. It helps no one and it hurts the faith of those who are listening. Do your best to know that God is pleased with you. Be as a workman who has nothing to be ashamed of. Teach the words of truth in the right way. Do not listen to foolish talk about things that mean nothing. It only leads people farther away from God. Such talk will spread like cancer.
IIILostIIIEdgesIII 1 month ago
IM NOT CAR TO BE PUTTING NO BUMPER STICKER ON ME. I AM A CHILD OF GOD A ROYAL PRIESTHOOD. THIS BODY IS DEDICATED TO GOD FOR THIS IS THE TEMPLE WHERE THE SPIRIT DWELLS. FIRST ON THE INSIDE THEN ON THE OUTSIDE. WE ARE TO BE EXAMPLES OF THE WORLD NOT A FOLLOWER OF THE WORLD.
BloodCovenant86 1 month ago
@BloodCovenant86 Why are you yelling?
JoelTheCalvinist 1 month ago
@JoelTheCalvinist HUH? THEIRS NO EXCLAMATION MARKS I WAS JUST SHARING.
BloodCovenant86 1 month ago
i love when people try and preach to people on youtube lolz
osamabinmichael 1 month ago
Leviticus 19:28 - talks about not marking or cutting your body for the dead. Tattoos are a controversial issue for Christianity. I think it depends primarily on what your intentions are and what it is you are getting tattooed. Most people idolize something by getting it tattooed. So, if it doesn't glorify God, if it's significance is not eternal or is not beneficial for uplifting the body, it shouldn't be done. However, I have 2 tattoos, both of which make me focus more on God and glorifying Him
CalamityStriker 1 month ago
Ah, I always say BC too! When I'm trying to explain my previous (screwed up) thinking. Btw, I totally agree with you. God Bless You!
crystalsky84 4 months ago
I agree that not everything is forbidden, but not everything is benficial. But in the same vein, the only things we really NEED to do is believe, pray, eat, sleep, and work(so we can eat and pay tithes) so anything else would not be beneficial to the christian, so I would say that tattoos are the same as watching tv or reading a book that is not the bible. I'm not trying to argue just offering my thoughts.
JGSH13 1 year ago
I agree with you. The gospel alone has power. We don't need to dress it up. Unfortunately, from the baroque architecture of churches to tatoos to "Christian rock," the gospel has been hijacked by the world. In Christ ALONE our hope is found! =)
janeym 1 year ago
would Jesus get one ? I dont know for sure but I have a feeling he would not.
olengivens 1 year ago
Im getting a tattoo that will be in a place where nobody except me can see it when im clothed... I want the tattoo for me....its not for anyone else to see...its to remind me about my faith, not for vanity...I still dont understand why anyone would get a tattoo that is just a design....it makes no sense...just to look cool??
Sharmanultra1 1 year ago
I have many big tattoos and was apprenticing a tattoo artist before God took hold of me.I became a Christian and had my son, i just automatically thought "now I'll tattoo my son's name on me..." but NEEDED to know that I was doing the will of my father...all signs pointed to NO. But now I have a few tattoos that I'd like to cover, even with a black bar...what's your opinion of covering some from "the old man"? Thank you for your post Joel! Grace to you!! God Bless and keep you.
Daweta 1 year ago
Joel, don't take this as a critisism. I'm curious as to your thoughts. You seem to think that tats should never be used for aethstetic purposes. Why do you choose your hair do (or lack there of in this vid)? Why do you trim your beard the way you do? Why do you select the clothes you wear? Wouldn't it be for aethstetic purposes? That doesn't automatically make it vanity. What is the difference with tattoos?
OfWrathAndGrace 1 year ago
@OfWrathAndGrace - The aesthetic problem with tattoos is they are permanent. And you know it is very different for me to shave my head than to put artificial chemicals permanently in my skin.
The vanity is because it is expensive and serves no other purpose. I shave my mustache because it's free and my wife doesn't like to kiss it. I shave my head when it's hot. I wear clothes because it's the law. There is a big difference and you know it, but you're pushing for justification.
JoelTheCalvinist 1 year ago
@JoelTheCalvinist Yes, tattoos are permanent, but if you were to shave your head for aesthetics what makes it any worse in that regard? Even if the consequence is temp. the motivation would be the same.
Expensive? Yes. But in one of your other vids. you spoke of some of the things you've bought that aren't necessities & defended them. "And serves no other purpose"? Don't assume that if they serve no other purpose for you that that applies to everyone else...
OfWrathAndGrace 1 year ago
@JoelTheCalvinist ...Also, are you saying that when you are deciding how to groom yourself, what clothes to wear, etc., what you think looks good plays no part in your decision? It's 100% functionality?
"There is a big difference and you know it, but you're pushing for justification."
Was that necessary? I thought I had legitamate questions presented in a non confrontational manner. If it seemed otherwise, I apologize. I'm not looking for justification. Before I got tatted I took...
OfWrathAndGrace 1 year ago
@OfWrathAndGrace ..I considered every arguement, both pro and con. I have multiple tats. and it is well with my soul.
OfWrathAndGrace 1 year ago
I thing God sees our hearts and we are not in the old law so thats not aplying for us
and what says in Leviticus is speciffic with marks to death
I don t have any tatto but I don t think a tatto is a sin
it s just my opinion and I m waiting for an answer fron the Holly Spirit
I think just He knows what could tske us from right way
by the way sorry for mr English Im learning it Im from Mexico God bless!!!!!
777chavaandsmile777 1 year ago
Get off the fence!!! Just kidding. I don't believe tattoos are what a Christian should be doing to the temple Christ now lives in. Would you graffiti a bunch of crosses all over the church walls? It's disfiguring. It's dangerous. Like you said, it's vain. It's worldly. It has it's historic roots in paganism. Need I go on? It's just silly to me that a Christian would even consider doing this. Jesus' prayer for us was to be in this world but not OF this world.
bluesette82 1 year ago
Who cares, idiots get tattoos all the time.
murderousbastard83 1 year ago
They do give a ministry opportunity. We need open doors to share the Gospel, and the Alpha-Omega example you give is one that I would imagine God might use as a door. But I would say that this is a redemption of the sin: He takes what was not good and uses it for good.
Enoch2 1 year ago 2
@Enoch2 - So you agree, they are not good?
JoelTheCalvinist 1 year ago
So... this video is making me rethink it, to be honest. I'd love to physically and outwardly mark myself as a slave of our Lord so that anyone could see, but why do that when I could show them with my actions instead? Faith with/without works, ya know? We call ourselves followers of the Way. Let's do more to prove it and make it more obvious.
Doomkin1110 1 year ago
@Doomkin1110 - That's epic! Just a word from someone who has 5, I regret it.
JoelTheCalvinist 1 year ago
I've actually been thinking of getting a tattoo of the Greek word "doulos" which in the New Testament was the word many disciples called themselves as bondservants or slaves of Christ. Are tattoos necessary? Absolutely not. Could that money be put to better use? Without a doubt. You could feed the poor, help out your community church family, clothe the naked (there are more naked people running around than you might think...)
Doomkin1110 1 year ago
Reasons against: 1. Spending money on a permanent marking that is solely for vanity. 2. It is only for selfish or vain reasons, to get one. If it wasnt, and if it is so good to get one, then Christians should be paying for others to get them, maybe a tattoo ministry. Can you see the absurdity? 3. Phillipians 3:2 4. Jude 1:4 5. 1 Peter 4:1-6 and 2 Peter 2 6. 1 Peter 2:16. Live by the Spirit, Ephesians 4!
Grace isn't cheap, you were bought with a price, your body is not your own.
travisshel24 1 year ago
@travisshel24 - Well said!
JoelTheCalvinist 1 year ago
I don't think it's a question of faith, I just think it's kinda ugly. To each his own, though, I guess.
jhafero 1 year ago
well it depends on the tattoo i mean if u have simple tattoo like your kids names or even religious tattoos its not representing anything evil, but if u have skulls n fire things like that then yea thats evil
taccaraivey 1 year ago 4
@KoRnmunk00 - in either case, the person is permanently "improving" on God's handiwork.
JoelTheCalvinist 1 year ago
@KoRnmunk00 - No, it means he is unhappy with his body as God made it.
JoelTheCalvinist 1 year ago
Ephesians 2:8 8For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God repent and ask god to forgive you of your sin and ask jesus christ to come into your life our savior and reedemer thats all folks. apparently some people dont read the Word so they are quick to judge. Guess what prideful, how about pushing people away from god the truth you are legalistic but you dont see nothing wrong with yourself because you are perfect.
babyyael3 1 year ago
@babyyael3 - " apparently some people dont read the Word so they are quick to judge."
Amen.
JoelTheCalvinist 1 year ago
i think its ok for christians to have tattoos as long as they dont represent the devil or evil
taccaraivey 1 year ago 3
@taccaraivey - What if tattoos themselves represent evil?
JoelTheCalvinist 1 year ago
well i dont have a good reason to y Christians should get tattoos i guess the only reason i would have is if a Christian wants a tattoo whats the big deal? yea God might be against it but then again He might not be as humans we cant be absolutely 100% accurate on what God is for or what hes against, but even if He really is against tattoos i dont think some permanent ink on my body will keep me out of Heaven its not that big of a deal
MUNDOM316 1 year ago
When Jesus comes again, He'll have his name "tattooed" on his thigh.
And I agree with your friends, that it's okay to have them, but I agree with you, in that they aren't necessary. God gives special revelation to people, so if it's God's will for a person to get a tattoo, they should do it. If not, they shouldn't bother.
Luke14v26 1 year ago 2
and that is wrong and i agree with that being looked down upon. but in the same scripture it also says u shouldnt cut ur hair shorter than your ears and we shouldnt eat pork i mean come on guys if it is right with your spirit i am all for it, i have just recently got my first tatoo which says HE>i and it allows me to share my faith with people that i normally couldnt it allows you into the tatoo culture , also i am an intern at an assemblies of god church and plan on getting more tats
basskid777 1 year ago
pretty much the big thing people tend to hit on is that the old testament law says that we should not mark our bodies and this is true.
people that say the old testament laws do not apply are wrong, because jesus didnt come to overthrow the laws but to fulfill them
however tatoos now a days are very different from the old pagan ones. back then they did it because they thought it allowed them to help their ancestors pass on
basskid777 1 year ago
What if I want to do drugs, do I get my wish because I want it? Is it not sinful now because I want it?
No offense, but if you didn't think of that you should probably immerse yourself in the Word a little more.
JoelTheCalvinist 1 year ago
I would say that having a tattoo or not having a tattoo is not the issue. The issue is the heart in which it is done. I see it as the same with alcohol. I am pro-alcohol but your question of "What is the point?" Isn't a sticking point because Jesus turned water into wine. Now you may say I am comparing apples to oranges but on the point of asking "whats the point?" I could raise that same issue with wine. If we do something for the glory of God then I think it is OK.
berrytc44 1 year ago 2
Eating and drinking can be done to the glory of God (1 Cor 10).
Sin, on the other hand, cannot. The question is, are tattoos a sin? My "what's the point" question is, "what is the benefit?" Food and drink sustain us. Tattoos do nothing for God except scar his creation.
JoelTheCalvinist 1 year ago
surely if you have tattos, and god loves you...im sure he wouldnt mind if someone was to get a tatto towards christianity...and to have a personal reminder, a decoration of christianity on thier body so therefore its like a celebration that they believe in christ..or way of opening up conversations, something that is symbolic in what they believe in...
i dont think tattos are bad personally..
xx
blackbeautyinlove 1 year ago 4
...people better with my tats do to there life style and up bringing, which is a plus.
777beans 1 year ago
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hi, ive got 6 tats and all were done b.c. and i regret all of them, i feel like i mutilated my body, Gods holy temple. and now like you would never get another one, to me they look tacky. Now I think some Christians would say they are glorifying Jesus to have a spiritual tattoo on them but i think its vanity, but who am i to judge there motives right. I am thankful that none of them are demonic looking though. A friend of mine encouraged me that with my tattoos, I may be able to reach some
777beans 1 year ago
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You shouldn't have anything on your boby. God says your body is a temple and if you desecrate it he can not enter. You could not wear any crosses or rings or ear rings that are symbols of whats on earth or in the heavens says the lord. I have to relook where that one is in the bible but its in there.
MABardowell 1 year ago
The verse you are talking about is: "You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth." - Exodus 20:4
But the next verse says why -- because we are not to worship them.
If we can't have crosses, we also can't have photos, drawings, sculptures, movies, xerox machines, GPS systems, and tons more.
The verse is talking about worshipping them.
JoelTheCalvinist 1 year ago
whats up man.. God bless.. I have also thought bout this alot and came to a little bit of a conclucion. Leviticus also tells us not to peirce our skin,(ears) cut our beards or mix crops or eat other meats. Also, why would women wear earings? If its for estetic elements then y would we buy clothes and hats that make us look a way we want or "cooler"? ive bin raised the way to see them as bad but ive opended up a bit bout them.
Krazy0788 1 year ago 2
There is something to be said about how our culture views things. Paul's correction of women's behavior is largely based on the women of the society and separating themselves from the pagan lives they once lived.
Tattoos are fundamentally different. Someone can be turned away for a job for having a tattoo, never a woman for having her ears pierced-- that would almost be expected.
From a social + biblical standpoint, tattoos are worthless.
JoelTheCalvinist 1 year ago
I don't like the way you are going about things. You want to silence me because I don't agree with you and i'm actually making sense, now you will not speak to me because you just don't agree. It's not the way to go. ITS NOT.
1994DavidLotro 1 year ago 4
What do you want me to say? You don't argue with using the Bible and you don't listen. I'm sorry.
When you're ready to talk using the Bible we can discuss this again.
JoelTheCalvinist 1 year ago
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No. Leviticus 19:28, "Do not cut your bodies for the dead, and do not mark your skin with tattoos. I am the Lord. God wants christians to seperate themselves from pagan rituals etc. like getting tatoos written all over your body
chris62008 1 year ago
Christ sees things from the inside out. He knows your heart and your motives, even when you don't. However, the world sees things from the outside in. What you do on the outside may help or hinder them in entering the Kingdom of God. This decision of getting a tattoo needs to be more than looking cool. Tattoos could help, tattoos can hurt. If a tattoo could help lead one person to Salvation, then it is worth it..
6stringheat 1 year ago 11
Faith comes by hearing...
JoelTheCalvinist 1 year ago
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1994DavidLotro 1 year ago
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nything in excess is bad, a tattoo is only bad if you put too many on yourself, same with a chocolate, in excess it is bad, but in a over dramatic quantity you don't have to take it because it's effect is no longer average. That is my reason for it being alright.
1994DavidLotro 1 year ago 5
Also this may be just because it is your typing and not actually you talking to me, but you seem to give out a negative impact on me instead of a positive.
I mean you said earlier I came and accused you of a lot of things, which actually to me is just asking questions, because I am only 15, I am still learning. So there is no need to keep out giving me a negative impact because you aren't just giving me an answer you are giving me a negative impact making my mood drop.
1994DavidLotro 1 year ago 6
what was christianity in the first place???? IT WAS REBELLION..... in today society tattooing is rebellion... christian tattooing = ultimate rebellion from the world?
6stringheat 1 year ago 6
No, Christianity was not a rebellion. There are aspects that are built into Christianity that led to rebellion in the 1st century (like refusing to bow to Caesar as God).
If tattooing to you is a sign of rebellion, why would you do it?! We are called to be transformed to be different from the world (Rom 12) and the rebellion mentioned in Romans 13 brings about the wrath of God.
It's not a good thing.
JoelTheCalvinist 1 year ago
As no one with a Christian tattoo is trying to pacify a pagan deity, it is safe to say this verse is not relevant to us.
6stringheat 1 year ago 6
The relevance was LOOKING and PRACTICING like the outside world.
What has changed?
JoelTheCalvinist 1 year ago
and no, it does not say we can't have symbols on our body, I bet to you now if a guy dies and goes for judgement, god won't say you have a tattoo, go to hell.For god is kind and merciful, and he would understand that if we like a tattoo,which isnt really ruining our body,he would understand. Youre a man and are putting your feelings before anything else, God sees past these human emotions and has compassion millions of times more intense than your own. Now for the love of god stop insulting me.
1994DavidLotro 1 year ago 6
It says don't tattoo your body.
This is not about final judgment-- I have 5 tattoos-- and I'm saved by grace.
This is about is it beneficial? You brought this up in another comment, so I'll address it there.
JoelTheCalvinist 1 year ago
Leviticus 19:26-31 deals with pagan practices and God's prohibitions against adopting those practices. In verse 28, God is warning the Jewish people about a pagan practice at funerals, where pagans would mutilate/mark themselves to appease their false gods. The pagans hoped that by cutting themselves and marking images/symbols of idols on their bodies, that they would obtain favour in the afterlife from their false gods, both for themselves and for those who just died.
6stringheat 1 year ago 5
ok donkey, sorry, its late
6stringheat 2 years ago 3
ok, this it the thing, tattooing is not a sin, the only factor is this, is it bringing glory to God, and are you bringing down others by getting one. most of the times you are being selfish when getting one... however it can be used for Gods glory. If God used a rock to talk to a guy, then God could used a tattoo to show His glory... and those are verses i saw off a website saying christians could get tattoos, not my interpretations. just wanted your opinion.
6stringheat 2 years ago 5
Then I saw another angel ascend from the rising of the sun, with the seal of the living God, and he called with a loud voice to the four angels who had been given power to harm earth and sea, saying, 'Do not harm the earth or the sea or the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God upon their foreheads.'"
-Revelation 7:2-3
"On his robe and on his thigh he has a name inscribed, King of kings and Lord of lords."
-Revelation 19:16
6stringheat 2 years ago 4
LOL cmon man! How about this one?
"And he carried me away in the Spirit into a wilderness, and I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was full of blasphemous names, and it had seven heads and ten horns." Rev 17:3
I sure hope you don't interpret that one like you did the other verses!
JoelTheCalvinist 2 years ago
lol we have free will? Everyone knows that? Its the reason we can choose between good and bad, and what we want to do. Tatoo isnt a sin.
1994DavidLotro 1 year ago 4
Since you're 15 I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say you're probably not a philosophical thinker.
No one just "knows" something. They are taught it or it is built in to our nature. Since the term "free will" has a definition behind it, it must be learned.
The problem is, Christians base what is true on the Bible -- and the Bible speaks nothing of "free will." It teaches that God is in control of the universe, period.
Until you can have a biblical conversation about this-- peace.
JoelTheCalvinist 1 year ago
don't try to dumb down what I'm saying because I am 15, because I know for a fact on this topic you are wrong. I don't know what you are, a christian or not, anyways, god is in control, he has the power, but he will not interfere with what we do. He does sometimes but he rarely actually interferes. A tattoo, is not a sin, please actually give me proof that a tattoo is a sin instead of going off topic and preaching to me things that have little to do with having a tattoo.
1994DavidLotro 1 year ago 5
"You shall not make any cuts on your body for the dead or tattoo yourselves: I am the Lord. " Lev 19:28
You know for a fact? Big words from such a little man. Please give me biblical support for your view of free will. Or any support for that matter.
You just make lofty claims about knowing things without evidence. This is more evidence of your youth.
JoelTheCalvinist 1 year ago
ok congradulations, you are correct? You just upset me now, insulting me, and just made me feel bad. Ha for a religious man who is supposed to be one with god, I can see a lot of sin in you, to be honest at this point you just stepped away from God. I may be ignorant but I can say for a fact I am with God, you on the other hand, just now, proved your anger, and your ferociousness. Big words for such a little man? Ha, quite an angry person you are. More people should see this side to you.
1994DavidLotro 1 year ago 6
Perhaps I spoke too harshly, I apologize.
Here's the thing: You come to my channel, my videos, leave comments on how I am wrong with no evidence, biblical argument -- anything. Then you bash what I have given my life to. It is easy for me to get upset especially when the person who is arguing with me is supposed to be on the same team.
I hope God develops the same passion in you.
God bless.
JoelTheCalvinist 1 year ago
hmm, well the thing is, I just don't agree with you that the tattoo is a sin, but you know what, i'm wrong, i still think i'm right about the tattoo but I think it is my opinion, I shouldn't think any less of yours just because we don't agree. I still think you were a bit harsh earlier but it's fine. And I am on the same team with you, I just dont agree on certain topics. And um, I think even if I am wrong God will understand why i'm thinking the way I am about tattoos.
1994DavidLotro 1 year ago 6
Oh yeah and not of benefit, it can be a benefit of the person who has it? If he wants it. It is not of benefit of you to have a car and pollute the world, and yet i'm sure you have one, it is not of benefit of you to have a computer, it also ruins the planet, and yet i'm sure you have one.
1994DavidLotro 1 year ago 6
My car gets me to work, to church, and allows me to minister to the homeless.
My computer gives me the chance to evangelize to people all over the world and gives me access to infinite resources for Bible study and growth.
Now, what I am asking is: Give me an example of something like what I listed that tattoos give. You say they like it so its OK. If I like to go to strip clubs does it make it OK? Of course you will say no. So please give me a different reason that can be applied universally.
JoelTheCalvinist 1 year ago
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JoelTheCalvinist 1 year ago
Sorry Joel for what I said, and sorry if it felt I was attacking you. Yes I agree with you now, there is no significant or importance of having a tattoo. And what's the poit if it's going to last forever on your body ruinining it increasing the risk of skin cancer. Hope you forgive me Joel :) If I annoyed you :S Oh and um Joel could you help me with this girl on utube, she is quite annoying and is inslting Christianity and I dont know how to explain it to her
1994DavidLotro 1 year ago
Wow! I was not expecting this comment! The Holy Spirit really works in you.
You never annoyed me and there is nothing to be forgiven for -- I was the dbag in this. I'll take a look at the video for you when I get off work.
Thanks bro.
JoelTheCalvinist 1 year ago
Yeah, I just thought about what I was saying, and although I some what agreed with my views I found out that yes tattoos have no importance and therefore should not be there. Stays on our body forever so yeah :S
1994DavidLotro 1 year ago
go to my favourites and it will be called the passion of the christ.
1994DavidLotro 1 year ago
Never say Never, were not perfect and we will always be tempted. Your right it is expensive. Now, does location have a factor as well? Were we live... if I live in the south were people are more friendly and talkative, rather then the big cities were people are to themselves... Does that have a factor ?
6stringheat 2 years ago 5
You mean as a means to conversation? People ask me about my tattoos all the time. Not once has someone been intrigued beyond the first response.
"What's that"
"The Tetragrammaton- the name of God given to Moses"
"Oh. I like the design. Bye!"
I live in the south and people talk, yes. But overcoming the "icebreaker" fear is tough anywhere.
There are plenty of other routes. Tshirts? I have a DWYL sticker on my laptop. It gets the comments just as much.
JoelTheCalvinist 2 years ago
not saying that i wont get one, but, thank you for your advice, i understand the concept of laziness, people should see the fruits of christianity not a tattoo. i still find it somewhat helpful, and the tattoo that i came up with will not remind me of my sinful failures but of the way God helped me through my valleys, Romans 8 28 is part of the tattoo i came up with as well.. and the whole concept of holding yourself accountable, would you go into a bar or strip club with this christian tattoo?
6stringheat 2 years ago 3
Why wouldn't God's word convict me in my heart enough to not go to a strip club? Why is my accountability in the fear of looking like a hypocrite?
You see what I'm saying. I just cant justify something so permanent and expensive.
JoelTheCalvinist 2 years ago
i agree, u dont need a tattoo to witness, but, it could help in certain situations could it not?
6stringheat 2 years ago 2
We shouldn't need tattoos as a witness. We should be proactively interacting with people on a salvation seeking mindset all the time.
Waiting for someone to comment on a tattoo is a guise for laziness, imo.
JoelTheCalvinist 2 years ago
how so?
6stringheat 2 years ago 2
I told myself I was doing it for those EXACT reasons.
In reality, I just wanted a tattoo cause I liked them and if I could make the subject seem admirable, then it was a win/win.
But in reality, when I came to clearly understand my purpose on earth (as you clearly stated from Romans) I realized that tattoos are pointless. Even worse, they remind me of my sin and are permanent.
From one christian to another, I would discourage you from doing it. The appeal from them is worldly -- truly.
JoelTheCalvinist 2 years ago
i have no tattoos, however i do plan on getting one... for the Glory of God, reminder for me, accountability, and a witness tool.
6stringheat 2 years ago
I did the same thing... --It works for none of those, trust me.
JoelTheCalvinist 2 years ago
Romans 14:20-21 and the fact that we must do everything to the Glory of God and not for self glory---- only reasons not to get tattoo...
6stringheat 2 years ago 2
A good reason. And absolutely true.
JoelTheCalvinist 2 years ago
tattooing is not a sin, Leviticus 19:26-31 deals with pagan practices and God's prohibitions against adopting those practices. In verse 28, God is warning the Jewish people about a pagan practice at funerals, where pagans would mutilate/mark themselves to appease their false gods. The pagans hoped that by cutting themselves and marking images/symbols of idols on their bodies, that they would obtain favour in the afterlife from their false gods, both for themselves and for those who just died.
6stringheat 2 years ago
i personally don't see anything wrong with tatoos or piercings. HOWEVER there is a LIMIT. if someone covers themselves with tatoos it's kind of disrespecting God's creation of yourself. the reason why you got it and also what it symbolizes affect if it's ok or not.
ps the cool thing ummm, you said you got the tatoos cause you thought it was cool, if you find that bad or vain, what would you say to people who buy jewelry or even clothes that they think is cool? are they being vain?
Godrocscreamo 2 years ago
I know vanity is bad but like how is getting something you think is cool bad, but like i mean if you got something ordinary (not evil or demonic) cause you thought it's cool, do you view that as being vain???? and if so why?
Godrocscreamo 2 years ago
Its permanent and serves no purpose.
JoelTheCalvinist 2 years ago
Jewlery can definitely be vain. I wear a wedding ring. This is a symbol of my commitment to my wife. Clothes are required by law. These can serve functional purposes.
What functional purpose does a tattoo serve?
Now with your answer, support that purpose with the Bible.
JoelTheCalvinist 2 years ago
It is our body, it is permenant, but if we want it, then i'd like to think we are aloud to, there is nothing in the bible that says that having a tatoo is forbidden.
1994DavidLotro 2 years ago
Except in Leviticus.
Just because we want to do something doesn't mean we are allowed to do it. That's some really dangerous logic!
JoelTheCalvinist 2 years ago
And its not our body, its God's. He made it and if you're a Christian then he bought it with a price.
Don't take this likely.
JoelTheCalvinist 2 years ago
yes, but god gave us that body. It is not going against god to put a tatoo on your skin. For example if a guy likes something and wants to put a tatoo on himself, it's not exactly sinning is it? I mean what exactly is wrong about it?
1994DavidLotro 2 years ago
"[Do] you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own, for you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body." 1 Cor 6:19-20
So the question if it is a sin or not is kinda tricky. Since we don't have a New Testament verse about tattoos, it's based on conviction.
But my question is, What is good about it? It glorifies yourself.
JoelTheCalvinist 2 years ago
also it's a matter of free will, it's god's yes so is god going to take our body and say hmm I'll do whatever I want with this body, it's my property, no. he'll give us the opportunity to make mistakes, do good things, and progress through life, enjoying it, and also taking responsibility.
1994DavidLotro 2 years ago
That's almost exactly what he says, Romans 9:20-23.
Yes we have responsibility, but we as Christians do not own our bodies. God does.
Basically what that means is pretend like you borrowed it. If you borrowed someone's car would you go get your own personal designs painted on it? It doesn't help the car, its just a selfish thing you want to look at.
JoelTheCalvinist 2 years ago
I doubt that god would convict the bearing of tatoos, because if that is god's word then he sounds like an unjust person. The body is our temple yes, but a tatoo doesn't destroy our body, it just puts a symbol on our body. Now i'm not talking about putting tatoos all over ourself, but one tatoo or a few little ones, does no harm. And the thing about the car, I don't think you can compare humans to cars. And he gave us free will, so the owner of the car gives us the free will, to do what we want.
1994DavidLotro 2 years ago
God sounds unjust for you defiling what is his? That's the reason he hates sin in the first place!
The body is not OUR temple, but the temple of the Holy Spirit.
You say that God gave us free will to do with whatever we please with our bodies. Do you have anything from the Bible that says that?
(hint: it's not there)
But with that line of thinking, that means I can hate, lust, cut myself, commit suicide, whatever because it's my body and God is cool with that.
Obviously, that's not true.
JoelTheCalvinist 2 years ago
Haha, all I can say is you are taking it way over board. You don't get from a tatoo to lust and suicide. There is no wrong doing by having a tatoo, and like i've said many times we have FREE WILL, he gave us bodies and i'd like to think he'd allow us to do what we want with it, as long as we don't ruin it. Does a tatoo ruin a body? Maybe it does, maybe it doesnt, every person has a different opinion, and there is no where in the bible that firmly states that a person cannot have a tattoo.
1994DavidLotro 2 years ago
We have free will? Where are you getting that from?
JoelTheCalvinist 2 years ago
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I hope you don't think that I did that.
JoelTheCalvinist 2 years ago
I know who did it.
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rainzion 2 years ago
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You are not supposed to decorate the body with jewelry, tattoos, piercings or otherwise. It is vanity. It is sin. The body is the temple God, not to be desecrated.
NewDirection4us 2 years ago
@ NewDirection4us
You said in a previous comment below: "When I see a person with tattoos, especially a woman, I have a lesser opinion of them."
Is this not vanity? (thinking you are better than another.) Is vanity not sin?
rainzion 2 years ago 20
@ NewDirection4us
John 13:34-35
A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
rainzion 2 years ago 20
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Love the sinner but hate the sin. Getting tattoos is sin.
NewDirection4us 2 years ago
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"Love the sinner but hate the sin."
That's a bumper sticker, not scripture.
"Getting tattoos is sin."
Chapter and verse?
luxlucis777 2 years ago 16
@ NewDirction4us
Do you know the saying you used, "Love the sinner but hate the sin" was coined by Mohandas Gandhi?
rainzion 2 years ago 19
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Rainzion: You are confused. You think Christians should accept sin as if it doesn't exist. You are the luke warm for Christ. And where does it say in scripture that we are to remain silent when we see others sin? Didn't Jesus command people not to sin? Tattoos are desecrating the body to impress others, and that's sin. Vanity is not defined as "thinking you're better than someone else". Vanity means being proud of yourself.
NewDirection4us 2 years ago
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@ NewDirection4us
You said "You think Christians should accept sin as if it doesn't exist."
No...I never once said that. Now you are taking this from tattoos to sin period, inferring I condone sin and then going as far as to say I am lukewarm? Apparently you are very judgemental...and fleshly at that.
rainzion 2 years ago 19
@ NewDirection4us
Yes, we are not to sin. But none of us is sinless.
Are you sin free?
If you say you are without sin you are a liar. 1 John 1:10
Having a view contrary to yours of what the bible says, from looking at the whole of scripture (exegesis) and not pulling one verse out of the text in Leviticus, about tattoos does not mean I condone sin.
rainzion 2 years ago 20
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rainzion 2 years ago
@ NewDirection4us
I'd like to share some of this: What Is Sin? David Powlison
First, people tend to think of sins in the plural as consciously willed acts where one was aware of and chose not to do the righteous alternative. Sin, in this popular misunderstanding, refers to matters of conscious volitional awareness of wrongdoing and the ability to do otherwise. This instinctive view of sin infects many Christians and almost all non-Christians.
rainzion 2 years ago 18
cont. - It has a long legacy in the church under the label Pelagianism, one of the oldest and most instinctive heresies. The Bible's view of sin certainly includes the high-handed sins where evil approaches full volitional awareness. But sin also includes what we simply are, and the perverse ways we think, want, remember, and react.
rainzion 2 years ago 14
cont. - Most sin is invisible to the sinner because it is simply how the sinner works, how the sinner perceives, wants, and interprets things. Once we see sin for what it really is - madness and evil intentions in our hearts, absence of any fear of God, slavery to various passions (Eccl. 9:3; Gen. 6:5; Ps. 36:1; Titus 3:3)
rainzion 2 years ago 17
cont. - - then it becomes easier to see how sin is the immediate and specific problem all counseling deals with at every moment, not a general and remote problem. The core insanity of the human heart is that we violate the first great commandment. We will love anything, except God, unless our madness is checked by grace.
rainzion 2 years ago 14
cont. - People do not tend to see sin as applying to relatively unconscious problems, to the deep, interesting, and bedeviling stuff in our hearts. But God's descriptions of sin often highlight the unconscious aspect. Sin - the desires we pursue, the beliefs we hold, the habits we obey as second nature - is intrinsically deceitful. If we knew we were deceived, we would not be deceived.
rainzion 2 years ago 14
cont. - But we are deceived, unless awakened through God's truth and Spirit. Sin is a darkened mind, drunkenness, animal-like instinct and compulsion, madness, slavery, ignorance, stupor. People often think that to define sin as unconscious removes human responsibility.
rainzion 2 years ago 12
cont. - How can we be culpable for what we did not sit down and choose to do? But the Bible takes the opposite track. The unconscious and semiconscious nature of much sin simply testifies to the fact that we are steeped in it. Sinners think, want, and act sinlike by nature, nurture, and practice.
(What Is Sin? David Powlison)
rainzion 2 years ago 16
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Joel - I know I just posted a small book...I think people often get hung up on viewing 'others sins' without realizing we all sin daily in thought and deed.
I do not think it is alright for a Christian to single out another Christian with tattoos and imply that they are lukewarm and condone sin because they have tattoos...or that it is alright for a Christian to hold a lesser opinion of them because of their tattoos.
rainzion 2 years ago 15
Amen, Rain. No, it's not alright. It's nothing but self-righteousness.
luxlucis777 2 years ago 13
My wife isn't confused; you don't know her in the least. You are the one who is obviously confused. Your statements are ridiculous. You like to make unfounded, judgmental statements. And you're showing a misunderstanding of the scriptures, as well.
luxlucis777 2 years ago 13
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"You think Christians should accept sin as if it doesn't exist. You are the luke warm for Christ."
Where do you get this garbage? She never once even implied these things. And since I know her and you don't, I'LL tell YOU that you couldn't be more wrong.
Your judgment is truly of the flesh, not the Spirit.
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@ NewDirection4us
Vanity Definition:
1. The quality or condition of being vain.
2. Excessive pride in one's appearance or accomplishments; CONCEIT.
3. Inflated pride in oneself or one's appearance : CONCEIT.
Looking down at another person because they have tattoos is being conceited.
rainzion 2 years ago 16
Amen, Rain. He exhibits prideful conceit, which is vanity. Ironic, considering the fact that there absolutely are women, you being one of them, with tats who are more mature in Christ and knowledgable of the Word than this person. And he has a lesser opinion? That's hilarious.
luxlucis777 2 years ago 12
Man, there sure is some heat going on here.
JoelTheCalvinist 2 years ago
Provide chapter and verse that says that "You are not supposed to decorate the body with jewelry, tattoos, piercings or otherwise."
You can't provide it without taking scripture out of context. Go ahead. Attempt it.
luxlucis777 2 years ago 12
@ NewDirection4us
What you did was eisegete 1 Timothy 2:9-10 which is NOT saying women cannot wear jewelry or braid their hair. These versesmake the point that a woman's true beauty comes from within and is properly expressed by living a godly life rather than showy clothing and jewelry - and Leviticus 19:28.
Do you keep all of the laws in Leviticus?
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@ NewDirection4us
The OT laws are not methods to 'earn' or 'preserve' salvation.
If they were it would negate the need for Jesus to die on the cross to atone for our sin.
rainzion 2 years ago 14
"You are not supposed to decorate the body with jewelry, tattoos, piercings or otherwise. It is vanity."
Ridiculous. First of all, if people do these things unto themselves, with a clear conscience before God, and not for the sake of others, then it isn't vanity. Who are you to judge the thoughts and intents of another's heart? That's God's concern, not yours.
luxlucis777 2 years ago 11
Second, by your own legalistic standard, if you're married, neither you nor your wife better wear wedding rings; if so, you are both in sin. And she better not wear jewelry, not even earrings. If so, she is in sin.
For that matter, by your own legalistic standards, you better not comb your hair or cut your nails or put on clean clothes or do anything to present yourself a certain way to others. If you do, then it is VANITY and it is SIN.
luxlucis777 2 years ago 9
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People get tattoos and piercings to try to show off to their peers, to try to impress others, even to try to rebel against parents who find them ugly. They don't get them so they can sit around and admire them. Thats why the people with lots of tattoos always display them, they want to show them off. Its vanity, it's sin, and thats why I don't have any. If you want to face God with a bunch of them, you're right, thats between you and God, but I'd rather not desecrate my body.
NewDirection4us 2 years ago
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"People get tattoos and piercings to try to show off to their peers, to try to impress others, even to try to rebel against parents who find them ugly."
That may be the motive of some, but certainly not all. I repeat: Who are you to judge the thoughts and intents of another's heart? That's God's concern, not yours.
luxlucis777 2 years ago 11
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"Thats why the people with lots of tattoos always display them, they want to show them off."
I suggest you avoid oversimplifactions and blanket statements which only succeed in propagating falsities and bigotry, not the Word of God.
Also, many don't "show them off" at all. More ignorance from you, NewDirection4us.
Your opinion that they "desecrate the body" is just that: your opinion. And man's opinion means nothing in regard to the truth of God and His Word.
luxlucis777 2 years ago 10
You've failed to respond to the questions you have been asked, in regards to supporting your opinion with scripture. This is because, as I said, you can not do so without excercising in poor exegesis and ripping verses out of context.
luxlucis777 2 years ago 8
Here's a question: if you attend a local church gathering, are you adamantly telling the leadership of your church that they and their their wives are in sin for wearing wedding rings or earrings or any jewelry at all? Are you pointing that fleshly finger at everyone in your church, calling them all out on their "sin" of wearing wedding bands, jewelry, etc.? If not, then you are condoning their sin, by your unbiblical standards, since you have said that it's your job to point out sin.
luxlucis777 2 years ago 7
@ NewDirection4us
"even to try to rebel against parents who find them ugly."
Most states in the US have an age requirement of 18 to be either pierced or tattooed in a licensed shop. One also must show government issued ID as proof of age. Most states do not even have a parental consent option so one must wait until they are 18...a legal adult.
If a person who is 18 and chooses to get a tattoo done with or without their parents permission, it is their right.
rainzion 2 years ago 11
@ NewDirection4us
As an adult who does not rely on my parents for any type of support, who does not live under their roof but am grown and married - biblically I do NOT need my parents permission to do something.
This is NOT rebellion.
rainzion 2 years ago 9
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It may be the 18 yr. old's legal right but that still doesn't change why they are doing it. They get them for vanity, to impress their friends and who they show them to, and/or to rebel against their parents, authority, or God.
NewDirection4us 2 years ago
@ NewDirection4us
Assumption.
A blanket statement - used alot by people who like to stereotype.
(A stereotype is a "fixed" way of thinking about people in which you classify others into specific categories without much room for individualism or variation.)
You sound more and more like a bigot with every post.
rainzion 2 years ago 9
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@ NewDirection4us
As you are not willing to engage in any real dialogue other than your bigoted blanket statements and opinions...
I am done here.
rainzion 2 years ago 11
Your views are merely personal opinion, not biblical truth. We have asked you a handful of times to back up your opinions with scripture, but you haven't. In fact, you can't without, as I said, taking verses out of context to fit your bigoted views. You've responded to my wife, yet haven't responded to me or my questions even once. You obviously either aren't interested or capable of holding an adult or biblical conversation. You just want to spew unrighteous judgment at others. We're done here.
luxlucis777 2 years ago 9
"I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain." ~ Galatians 2:21
luxlucis777 2 years ago 8
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I never said that a true Christian was in jeopardy of losing their salvation due to tattoos or piercings. I said it's a sin and desecration of the body, the temple of God. Hate me if I lie, but don't hate me if I don't support your sin.
NewDirection4us 2 years ago
I said I was done here, but this folly needs to be addressed. First of all, we never once said that you said tats will cause a person to lose their salvation. We also don't hate you. You put words in our mouths and make false assumptions. Second, your opinion that it is sin is unbiblical, and you haven't provided any biblical proof; thus, it's your opinion and nothing more.
luxlucis777 2 years ago 9