Re: John Sweeny - BBC Panorama Reporter at work

[realtimemeister]

Worshipping LRH is not an option, if you become a Scientologist and you are not worshipping LRH you will soon find yourself on the street.

[cjbeef2]

Scientology

is complete bullshit

John sweeny is a legend. Hail Lord Xenu

[LooneyLEEDS]

scientology takes the piss, it is simply another CULT and give it time and there will be another Wayko on our hands!

[ChrisKalhoun]

A) The truth is all around us and LRH only states that he has gathered it to allow us to help ourselves to greater heights.B)Like any organization, income is needed to maintain the administration needed to deliver the technology. Scientology is no different C.)Know and study your enemies, if you see things for yourself instead of buying in to all the propaganda on here, you'll know that attacking something that is good will be your undoing, and if it's that bad,it will cave itself in anyway.

[dantesinferno80]

is $ciento£ogy is so good, why do they feel the need to lie through ommision when recuiring people for courses after the false and flawed personality test which has every non cult member as bordeline depresive....why is it that they never claim to be $cient£ogists...but in fact the only advertisment they give is take part in dianetics..something that someone who knows nothing of this cult will fall for???? good?? yes $ciento£ogy is as good for you as the inquisition was.

[jondea0]

oh no not another brainwashed prick "like all cults it needs income" well i dont see signs up in my church that says: sign-up fee £3000/min. face it mate. and anyway catholacism (sp) is totally wrong

[realtimemeister]

Ahh the church of the love of Jesus. They sure loved to kill people and torture them.

they don't have to husltle for money as they do business with the Mob at the Vatican. Furthermore they enriched themselves by murdering Jews and stealing their wealth. That is how Eurpe and Rome were built, by stealing. In NYC the Trinity Church is the largest landlord. They own properties such as most of Hudson Street downtown, Canal Street building and their properties begin at Wall Street. What a racket.

[PalomarJack]

Hey, dumb-ass. I did that stuff myself:

- Do to others as you would have them do to you

- Be close to your friends and closer to your enemy

- Rely on common sense rather than common myth

- Open your eyes

- Without irrefutable proof, believe nothing you hear, & only half what you see

- There's no "free lunch", it always costs something

It didn't cost $100,000 to reach some stupid-assed Operating Level Three or to join a cult, I just opened my eyes and there it was!

/end of line

[realtimemeister]

Everyone is a dumb ass but you?

[PalomarJack]

@realtimemeister, by the way. Use better grammar if you are going to subject me to your pathetic replies. That way you won't give me and others a fucking migraine when they read them.

And no, not everyone is a dumb-ass but me, just people like you.

/end of line

[realtimemeister]

I can tell you are an important man, at least a legend in your own mind. Nobody who comes in to attack people because their little ego was hurt is sane. Get a life loser.

[realtimemeister]

You cannot see atoms do you belive that a chain reaction can cause a massive explosion? But you neve saw an atom and yet you believe it? Do you think a God who is timeless and existed before the creation of anything will allow mere mortals to see Him/Her? How can your puny insignificant brain used to maybe 15% of its capacity understand an infinite being? You are not an atheist, you are an ignoramus. First learn then say you don't believe. Vatican largest purchaser of Hebrew books in English!

[realtimemeister]

Chris who needs LRH when we had Einstein. Your LRH has value only for those who worship him. Meaning you. You call that crappy biometric machine science? $300 for a piece of crap worth at most $19.99. Soon enough you will wake up too.

[ChrisKalhoun]

Sorry dude, but LRH has allready helped millions of people with helpful philosophy on a vast amount of subjects whether you're a Scientologist or not. Sorry, not sure what you're referring to when you talk about $300 for a biometric piece of crap. Who said anything about that? You'll have to ellaborate on that one. Soon enough I'll wake up? Yeah, to your misunderstoods and your disillusionment. So we have a disagreement. You go your way, I'll go mine.

[PalomarJack]

@realtimemeister, I don't understand people like you. I make statements about Scientology that you should be agreeing with according to your posts, and you give me grief, for whatever reason. Fine, it's on, dumb-ass.

/end of line

[realtimemeister]

Talk to me in five years, after Scientology keeps training you and bills you when you quit for tens of thousands. Wake up before you get eaten alive.

[TCMADONNA]

yes i do believe that the catholi church is borderline cult as well.

[EarlOfBrigand]

Has anybody noticed that comments are disabled on all the pro-scientology videos. Jagshamesh! Nice!

[realtimemeister]

NO the church is not a cult but if don't effing believe in the sweet Jesus we will: BURN YOU - TORTURE YOU - FORCE YOU TO SEE YOUR PARENTS BURNED ALIVE - STEAL YOUR PROPERTY - EXPEL YOU FROM YOUR LAND - AND FORCEFULLY CONVERT YOU! OUR PRIESTS WILL F YOUR BOYS AND GIRLS sickos who kill love.

[PalomarJack]

I know this comment is old, but hey, dumb-ass. You must be one of those folks who live a couple of thousand years. Because that shit hasn't happened in centuries. let it go. If you or someone you know didn't experience the things you listed, you're just a shit stirrer.

Oh, and if you haven't found it yet, turn off your Caps Lock. It's really tacky when you use it so much.

/end of line

[realtimemeister]

6 million were killed in the '40s and if you heathens who invent your own religions would sit down and shut up you might learn something from the only faith God created with Abraham? Come to the Jews and ask them to teach you about the One God? Every time we try you kill us, even as we speak wankers like you who wear rags on their heads are plotting to exterminate the Jews. Dit it ever occur to you that if you pagans had not murdered us time and time again we would be almost a billion strong?

[comunstroman]

See "Scientology: Inside the Church of Scientology" on youtube to understand the scientology cult.

[jurrk]

Scientology is currently faceing charges of: Fraud, false imprisonment, assault, extortion, kidnapping, defamation, invasion of privacy, infliction of emotional distress, racketeering, Brainwashing, Undue influence and deceit, Wrongful Death, Torture, and more

[realtimemeister]

Pardon moi are you speaking of the Pople and his vassals here?

[Warpspeedy]

This videos shows only one thing: the critics of scienrtology are "pissed" haha!

[madclowns]

a pay for religeon means its a cult.. And the only reason they do "community service" is for public relations. They tried to even recruit people at Virginia Tech after the massacre... thats just plain evil

[Perijol]

I´m living in germany and I paying a tax to the Catholic Church (Kirchensteuer). Does this means that the divine Catholic Church is also al cult ?

[doford]

All religions are atleast mini cults. They're simular to cults but i would have to say a religion isn't a cult.

[madclowns]

I live in Canada, and theirs no tax for any religeon here. or In America, infact this is the first time i have ever heard that teirs a tax for the church. Its wrong and you should do what you can to have it removed...

[MountainTwig]

You'll find that a few of the people in the scientology rebuttal video write articles for the scientology Freedom magazine. Just hit pause, enter their "<name>, scientology" in google while you watch it. I do appreciate the help they seem to give to communities, but I don't trust a "pay for" religion.

[MountainTwig]

I watched the scientology response. Hit pause and Google the interviewee names while you watch it. You'll see that the 'psychiatrist' guy writes articles for their freedom magazine even though they don't beleive in psychology. 3 are legit it seems. they left out Tommy's dumb shit. 1 week into this and I'm really getting pissed at these people

[madclowns]

hahahaha hilarious

[pietershazam]

In the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland $ciento£ogy is recognised neither as a church nor a charity. It is, in fact a cult. $ciento£ogists do not like that word, so let me repeat it -- CULT.

[deptsd]

Well actually a cult is a group of people who worship a person or and object, and Scientologists do neither.

[realtimemeister]

They absolutely worship L Ron Hubbard, some half wit pseudo scientist who has evidence the Earth was populated by alients? What was he on? People at the Scientology 'church' hang on every word of Mr. Hubbard's writings and they do not make any decision unless it fits Hubbard's paradigms. Christians worship a person, a Jew who parroted most of what he taught from learned masters who preceeded Jesus - such as Hillel who actuall said the golden rule NOT Jesus.

[ChrisKalhoun]

You think anyone cares your disagreements with him and his followers? All they can see in this comment is how u make yourself look like an ass by using generalities like "they". Sorry to hear about your misunderstoods of his writings, but if you took the time to read any of his books, you would notice that unlike some leaders or religions and philosophy, LRH actually takes the time to credit previous discoverers of truth as in his acknowledgements at the beginning of "Fundamentals of Thought".

[PalomarJack]

@realtimemeister, and the way you act towards people you agree with, you should be a Scientologist, too.

/end of line

[realtimemeister]

Listen here my good man, I was inside the Church, a member and what I say is my personal opinion having experienced Naziism right here in New York. Anytime you want details you can have play by play. As far as what anyone cares about, who the hell cares about anything anyone says genius. I see others have criticized my grammar. How interesting don't you morons have a life?

[youareforeverlost]

Hah, i love John Sweeny, i admire his restraint, i'd have punched that stalker int he face long before he finally shouted. Lets be honest, the Scientologist, i forget his name, refused to listen to anything any non cult member had to say, so Sweeny just forced him to listen finally. No real religion makes peopel pay or refuses to allow any criticism.

[wifebeater2007]

if scientology is a religion what are its views on the creation of man?,on the creation of the universe?All major religions have clear views on these issues and welcome new members.Where does God fit into Scientology?Why are they so paranoid?Why do many people see them as a cult?

[Killieguy84]

ha that Tommy is a silly bastard.I dont see what all the fuss is about John Sweeney "losing it".I think he showed enormous restraint,I think i would have shoved his shock therapy display up his ass and then banged his mother.

[Crazybugeater]

reality is stranger than fiction

[nelian]

Scientology will continue to exist and for one simple reason only - IT WORKS..

[FreelanceAlex]

Want to know the real story.... go to bbcpanorama-exposed(.org) and watch the short video.

[ArsenalUnbeaten]

Or how about you actually go to the official BBC panorama website and watch it all UNEDITED!

Your cult has really had its arsed whiped this time!

[lolbeckstar]

But this shows his motivation for that commect

xenu(dot)net/fairgame-e.html

[ceilingcatiswatching]

$ciento£ogy = Self-help & motivational teachers (leachers) who call themselves a religion to dodge tax.

They most likely do practise forms of mind control & manipulation to keep the $£$ rolling in & to stop the truth getting out about their questionable ethics.

Personally I think we (UK) should all write to our MPs & get this CULT out of our green & pleasant land. Atleast start an indepth investigation backed by law.

[deptsd]

There has already been investigations and the only reason Scientology survives is because there is nothing to hide. If it was a cult, or swindling money, it would not be bona fide as a religion.

[swebb51]

and George W Bush wouldnt have stolen the Presidency???

[73cosmicelf]

Religions are started by enlightened beings. After these beings depart they degrade to cults. Scientology however always was a cult as Hubbard wasn't enlightened. They are money based but all cults and religions are. They love preaching to the stressed as the stresed can't think straight.

[nurbz101]

There's a difference between paying to advance in a cult, and donations to a church. The number one sources in North America for free food, shelter, drug abuse programs, etc.. are churches, soup kitchens, and rescue missions. And no, you're not required to believe in God to eat.

[thedementation666]

Scientology is a cult and the people involved are psychos.

[monkeyboy27476]

Damn right!

[spm9822]

Hear hear!

[Christopher8008]

Scientology Auditing helped me a lot. I don't care what anyone says about it. Individuals make up their own minds. Do you denounce people for eating crackers and drinking wine on Sundays and pretending it's the body and blood of Jesus? OK? Freedom of religion is a human right. Just like the person who made this video is free to be an idiot. It's a basic freedom.

[dingbatt07]

Nothing more than Scientology propaganda... it's about time someone stood up to this fake organisation... a cult masquerading as a church... GO SWEENEY... GO BBC!!!

[whichphilosophy]

The interview clearly showed someone standing up and routing a bully from a media monopoly. Neither Sweeney nor you substantiated the claim it is a cult. In fact even now the question John was asked has not been answered. This is because he cannot answer the question when exposed to the light of day.

Asserting this claim does not constitute fact in a still free society where the burden of proof rests on the accuser. Since the 1960s the BBC and others have failed in this regard.

[cufbertalabyer]

the bully was not sweeny but some jumped up little nazi in a tie trying to shout down eveything mr sweeny said

[whichphilosophy]

In the context of his bombastic approach he was trying to be the bully by making assertions that he blew up when asked to substantiate. He fell over his own trip wire.

The so called investigations have been going on since the mid 1960s with no result. His investigation is either new or original. In fairness, he's not running the show. His bosses do.

[Lumikolla]

You are doing a fine job so far, posting a lot of Pro-Scientology comments. Since you are so well informed and in the mood to explain everything, please tell me why am i so afraid of them?

[whichphilosophy]

I'm just explaining the historical facts. I didn't quite understand the question. What would you be afraid of?

[Lumikolla]

it was more a rhetorical question, but i can explain what i meant. i am always amazed when i see people walking among us like brainless sheep because they are to busy following the scientology-dogma. since i already lived 14 years in a dictatorship i am really worn out by organizations who try to bend the free will. surely there are and always will be organizations like that. but at the end of the day they are extra creepy to me and i start getting hostile when someone speaks in their favour.

[whichphilosophy]

You didn't rebut the statements but I don't see anything in these that would cause fear to anyone.

[pietershazam]

Notice: Mr. Tom Cruise is an "Operating Thetan Level Six," which means he has paid for, and been indoctrinated with, the Scientology "science" that tells all about how humanity's every problem derives from the spirits of murdered space aliens. When he denied it in June of 2005, HE WAS LYING.

[deptsd]

Scientology is not a "science", nor do we believe that human problems come from space aliens. If that were true Scientology would not be bona fide a religion.

[pietershazam]

Oi dipstick, $ciento£ogy is a bona fide 'CULT' here in Britain! We've had the intellegence to recognise this and not give it 'religious' status! Rule Britania, we won't be fooled by your ridiculous CULT. We know you're lying about the space alien crap as we know about those advanced teachings, one episode revealed to those who reach OT level III is the story of Xenu and his Galactic Confederacyare.

[deptsd]

It actually HAS been given religious status, and the opening of the new church building was attended by British politicians.

[pietershazam]

Oh no it HASN'T! Bit of British Pantomime humour there folks! $cien£ologist have a real understanding of humour, they're well known throughout the Galaxy for it. Here's a $cien£ologist joke for you: Xenu walks into a bar, and the barman says...

[pietershazam]

$ciento£ogy is NOT recognised as a religion in The United Kingdom of Great Britain & Northern Ireland, and should be barred from referring to itself as a "church". I believe it should only be referred to as The $ciento£ogy Organi$a£ion.

[deptsd]

A church is a group of people that get together for the sole purpose of bettering themselves and society.

[welwynrose]

John Sweeny explains some of the problems he faced during making this programme - you should visit the BBC site and look for the Panorama page

[whichphilosophy]

His explaining away of the situation does not address the question he failed to answer but illustrates that instead he is trying to deviate with more justifications which are also non supported in fact.

[welwynrose]

maybe you should watch the whole programme & see how they were followed everywhere & how Tommy turned up at every interview they tried to do & would not let John Sweeny get a word in edgeways before you fall for this claptrap

[Caspian237]

I think any religious group that maintains its own secret police should be treated with great suspicion.

[Paul8v]

Tommy, what a c'nt he was. Well done Sweeney.

[boywonderrecords]

i am a british citizen, that belives in freedom of speach. and had no real view of this cult!!!!!. i watch the bbc panorama programe in full. your video clip is not a ture reflection. of the reporter or the programe. and the cult leaders behavior was far worst than the bbc reporter. maybe you americans should watch the programe in full. before you past jugement. i centainly have a clearer view of scientology now and it is not a good one. this is a cult. A fucked up one aswell.

[skylarking953]

The anti-Sweeny Youtube clips (and what a lot of them there are!) and subsequent fuss piqued my interest, and I've just seen the show. The anti-Sweeny propoganda (oh, Nazis... purleeese!) is of a piece with the thrust of the Panorama report. Result: major Scientological own goal. As they say; Honi Soir Qui Malibu. Cheers!

[nutzcronk]

OMG!!!! what a load of BS. CULT, CULT, CULT, CULT, CULT, CULT. anyone else want to say this with me? Someone got very paranoid with the bbc? Scientology is weird, cruel and unhealthy. I just read up on silent birth. HELLO its child birth its the most dangerous thing a woman can do. And they e#want a girl to be quiet? You know what you can do with this CULT, oops did i say CULT? I ment freak show.

[swanley]

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[davet247]

John Sweeny is my new hero, Tommy Davis is a 1st class wanker, I'd have ripped his nuts off. Scientology is a dangerous CULT that needs stopping. Go Sweeny!

[tracer740]

dave- Reality Check... Christianty and Islam are cults also. Can't we ban them all?

[whichphilosophy]

Just like the Spanish inquisition or the antics of Pol Pot we can ban anything else on heresay.

[cufbertalabyer]

thats why most sensiable humans don't believe in a fanciful power beyond this world and use that belifief to justify control of others

[davet247]

Christians were bad enough in the old days what with crucifixion and burnings. What we have here is a modern day loony cult full of thieving bullies and I can't stand bullies or thieves.

[POKERAF]

Ah but $cientology is a Heathen Pagan Cult

[b3a5t1e]

I just watched Panorama.Some of the things I saw are positively creepy,particularly Tommy Davis,who seemed to pop up whenever John Sweeney was talking to people critical of the cult (although in Tommy's case,take that as a typo).

[guruanj]

just watched the whole panorama program about scientology and yes its all true they are definately a bullying paranoid intimidating brainwashing cult .its crazy how they followed the bbc crew trying their best to scare them .they need to be investigated and shut down .Every body involved with them should be boycotted .without the money comming in they will vanish like any con artist

[Sidthecrow]

Just seen the documentary, the videos posted on here by scientoligists of 'the blow up' was slightly one sided that weirdo Tommy was screaming almost as much. He is one sinister guy. Very creepy.

[TheDuke00000000001]

jonnyboy's got it spot on. Scientology = dangerous cult

[hughiechafebell]

Scientology: cult of looneys, end of story!

[Woodytigerbrecht]

I hope the Panorama episode that airs tonight exposes the sham that is Scientology.

[SundayNightscouk]

it did, very addictive viewing, scientology sucks, ha

[winkyslink]

hahah nice try, Church of Scientology. This is analogous to Howard Dean's taken-out-of-context screaming at the rally for President '04. This church is a scam, they are take your money, brainwash you, and disconnect you from your family.

I highly recommend watching Sweeney's soon-to-be-aired documentary on Scientology. It has the potential of exposing Scientology for its ridiculousness as "Under the Banner of Heaven" did for exposing the BS grounds on which FLDS (Mormon church) was built.

[peterjacobs2007]

Well, i've been in a scientology church once, and i can tell you: it's a religion, a weird one, but still. I'm wasn't too sure what to make of it, I think they believe that humans are aliens...I mean that's a pretty cool idea...for a simpsons episode. cool

[Markandrich]

Do see how richandmark . com take on the subject with their "Banorama"...

[jonnyboy970]

All religions are made up. They are man-made. They are invented. All reigious books are works of fiction. In that respect Scientology is no more and no less of a cult than any other religion. Why would any sane, intelligent, educated person believe in any religion?

[deptsd]

Scientology is not a cult. A cult is actually a group of people who worship a person or an object, and Scientologists does neither. Scientology has actually been bona fide as a religion in most countries of the world

[trickybrkn]

"most" hmmm. So what is it that a Scientologist worship? theta?

[Woodytigerbrecht]

They don't worship, they're just paranoid and schizophrenic.

[Woodytigerbrecht]

it's a cult

[jr126368]

"deptsd" yet another $ciento£ogist apologist who signed up yesterday just to spout this propaganda

[deptsd]

I do have the right to counter an opinion, especially when the opnion is false.

[cufbertalabyer]

cult= small group of mindless people blindly following a crazy idea

religion= a large group of mindless people blindly following a crazy idea

get enough follwers and goverment have to except you ideas, check out the history of early christianty in rome

[whichphilosophy]

While it is not religion (or politics) themselves, both these (history and politics) have been used by some power crazed individuals to herd the masses then the events following that in history speak for themselves.

[elvissweet]

scientology doesn't like to be called a cult how about occult instead? After all Ron Hubbard met Jack Parsons, who was a renowned scientist, protégé of occultist Aleister Crowley.

[Snooper601]

ARFDAWG5, your caps lock key is just above your left shift key. ;o)

scientology = Sinister CULT! End of_____

[jjcimmy]

go sweeney go rule britania

[Crazybugeater]

what on earth is wrong with the 'orient' - its possesses the oldest civilisations and particularly good food which is more than can be said for the questionable US diet - you fatties!

[saladdaze]

You've got to remember, a particularly high percentage of the US citizens can't point to their own country on a map. Therefore anything that isn't the US = unknown. People tend to fear what they can't understand so it's a natural reaction for such an insular group.

[Deffiance]

Like a cancer, Scientology requires a cure. Shame the NHS can't afford it.

[monkeyboy27476]

F@CKING freaks they are, im sick of these american cults they should be wiped off the face off the earth!

[ARFDAWG5]

Rather keep the Brit cults active, you biggoted ass? DOnt bother coming to the promised land -- even on holiday. You might get sucked into a cult. People like this dick should be strapped to the engine of a 747 and taken to the orient.

[saladdaze]

The Promised Land? Promised by whom? To whom?

Per capita, the US leads the world in weird cults.

USA = Land of the Free (plus local sales tax)

[monkeyboy27476]

What you on about? America is full of freaks who have nothing better to do than talk crap!

[whichphilosophy]

To wipe them off the face of the earth do you propose gas chambers?

[scited]

It is very amusing to see people who have signed up, just for posting pro-Scientology remarks on these videos. No sir, no one is thinking of wiping anyone off. That would be Xenu and his volcanoes :-).

[monkeyboy27476]

What?

[monkeyboy27476]

Might be the best way...