I posted "American Antiquities and Discoveries in the West" 1830, Josiah Priest. Like View of the Hebrews it posits all the same stories. It also has over 30 pages of Correspondence with some guy name Champollion. (A poor peasant boy who apparently translated Real Egyptian) If only Joe had 1 of the 25,000 copies published by 1835. Heck, I have 6!! Me thinks some Freemasons may have read it and other books and concluded MoJoe was a lying Hoe'. These stories are as old as Columbus
Your 'truth' is new age universalism, or "there is no absolute truth - truth". There is only one saving truth. If you don't have it, you aren't saved. The truth stands on it's own, and doesn't need hole poking to make it so. Truth is what it is, no matter who believes it or not.
@truthseeker1973 no, new age universalism is just another label,and as I told you before I see truth everywhere I look, or in other words, I see God everywhere I look.
I know God personally and love God. You don't seem to come close to understanding what I am saying. God is infinite, I understand the higher level of truth that all small pieces are one whole. Every molecule in this cosmos is one, your duality is in your mind, your ego and self is your own delusion.
@truthseeker1973 Your just like an Atheist in the fact you have to find a label so you can define me and then hate me. I am a child of the most high, I am infinite, I am eternal, I am God's child, and I am a God. This is according yo your Bible which I read and quote to you extensively.
This whole conversation started because of your own labeling. Let's stop with playing the all loving innocent victim card please. You're a dirty sinner (woops I labeled you again) like everyone else and in need of salvation, but chooses to follow his own tainted heart for truth instead, leading you down an 'Avatar' like fantasy. The only thing I hate is deception.
@truthseeker1973 I am not saying you don't know God, I am saying you know a piece of God and you deny all the other piece's . Or as Jesus described, how do you the hand deny the foot is the body.
@truthseeker010101 What exactly are you saying? On one hand you say that "The truth you cannot know in the finite, but when you die and become part of the infinite you will know and be fully known". But Then you say "Instead I seek god and know God" ....... You just said you cannot know God through a finite doctrine, which is religion. So how exactly do you know god, if you have no method to know God?
@Alexthemoron2 By knowing that I cannot know I know. Because when you know you know something, is when you know nothing at all. The problem here is I have no words to describe a experience I had. Wish I did,maybe one day.
@truthseeker1973 "you aren't saved. The truth stands on it's own, and doesn't need hole poking to make it so. Truth is what it is, no matter who believes it or not."
I am not saved?
Matthew 7:1-2
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged."
"For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you."
You condemn yourself to judgement and I don't know why you would claim the Bible but then disregard it to judge me!
@truthseeker1973 "you aren't saved. The truth stands on it's own, and doesn't need hole poking to make it so. Truth is what it is, no matter who believes it or not."
I am not saved?
Matthew 7:1-2
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged."
"For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you."
You condemn yourself to judgement and I don't know why you would claim the Bible but then disregard it to judge me!
alot of exmormons become Athiest either due to never wanting to be hurt/lied to again or because those like me have studied hard and found religion is just full of hose crap.
Everyone is part of a religion, whether it's your very own or an organized one. So you've given up a lie for the lie of evolution maybe? If you have a love for the truth, you'll find it. If you don't, you will not. The Bible has plenty going for it, especially when compared to other religious doctrine. Nothing else even compares. Going from accepting a lie to then rebellion is just another flavor of not loving the truth. Pray to be SHOWN (not feel) the truth.
I dont belong to any religion, I follow no diety, no dogma, do no accept any higher power of mystic power. I reject it, i'm a realist who thinks for himself and questions all and fyi I believe Evolution is a crock of lies, most likely we were a creation of some ET group who came here and needed slave labour, IF I was to believe in a "God", I would be a Diest, for since the destruction of Herads Temple "God" has ceased to talk or interject on mans behalf, why? because God is fiction like Santa
I do not believe God ceased talking to man. I believe the claims by some who receive messages in dreams to a down right audible voice. The only difference is it's not part of the Bible.
God has never shown me anything, TRUST me, I prayers about the BOM, I served an honorable mission and NEVER heard God once, I lived the churchs rules and tried to be what the church taught us, what I heard from God was that he did not exsist so stop being childish and move on to being an adult and put childish things behind me like Santa and the easter bunny...Christ/God can kiss my furry bottom and I say this because there is NO god, its a silly myth shesh :O)
The Bible already answers if the BOM is true. That's why you don't pray for an answer that's already answered in his word. Pray that he reveals THE TRUTH, and THE TRUTH alone. I challenge you to do that. Humility is the key m' man.
@truthseeker1973 I dont belong to any religion, I follow no diety, no dogma, do no accept any higher power of mystic power. I reject it, i'm a realist who thinks for himself and questions all and fyi I believe Evolution is a crock of lies, most likely we were a creation of some ET group who came here and needed slave labour, IF I was to believe in a "God", I would be a Diest,God is fiction like Santa Clause..The bible is so full if inconsistancy its not even funny, that is an essays topic there
It raises the question then, who created the aliens? I will give you credit for seeing evolution as the crock that it is. I often tell Atheists I have more respect for those with views such as yours. I've seen the claims of contradictions and inconsistencies, they are usually the result of lazy exegesis or a misunderstanding of the culture or the audience. Anti-Deism or Deism is the only thing you have I'm afraid.
Why did someone have to create Aliens? Honestly why did someone have to "create" us? the concept of God was just a big misunderstanding when some Space travellers happened to touch down here, we as humans could not explain what we saw so we called them Gods or a higher power. God as a monotheistic being is not the first of the Gods, he is actualy just one of many that showed up, the Sumarian and Egyptians had Many Gods before the Jewish faith came to be..
it just happens that their God survived the longest ( prechance because the Christians killed those who followed other gods than their own?), your God has no power and is just a myth, the Bible and Koran as well as the Torah are just full of inconsistancies, at least since has a sounder ground to speak than Religion that is based off of stories and has denied/rejected proven facts untill less than 60yrs back ( that the world revolved around the sun for one....ran out of characters...
Because they wouldn't have created themselves. Life is too complex for evolution, which you already know is BS. It's ironic you bring this up. "Aliens" are those 'many gods' the Sumarian and Egyptians followed. In both cases they are ultimately the same thing. Fallen angels. Gen 6:1-4 describes their inter breeding/mingling with humans. This is a huge area of study and hardly the room for it in here.
@truthseeker1973 I do not believe in Darwins Evolution, Evolution is a fact, happens every day, a catapilliar becomes a butter fly, we no longer need the use of our wisdom teeth, I do NOT believe we came from fish, I do believe we may have evolved from an early form of the Ape, there is theories of how Rays from certain planets change the chemistry of plants and certain animals, could happen to us, the sun changes our skin as it is, climate and enviroment as well....
@SBKinsella Yes I believe "fallen angels" are aliens and so is "God(s)"....life is complex, BUT the question then is who Created "God" and who created that one? and so on and so on....something and that does not mean a "higher power" could have created it. a seed is not so complex and outside of religions dogmas most cant be explained on how it was created, but we now it grows from something small to something very complex...evolution, does not mean man came from fish or "god"
The whole where did God come from question is a tough one to wrap your head around for sure, but shouldn't deter anyone to disbelief, as you'll always be stuck with that dilemma whatever path you choose. The Bible says God 'always was, and always will be'. Eternal. No beginning and no end. Yes, hard to get.
What you describe is genetic mutation of genes that ALREADY exist. In that sense, then yes it is a fact. Some Atheists would say micro-evolution+micro+micro=Changes from one species to another. Apples and Oranges. This implies multiple ADDITIONS of beneficial genetic material over long periods of time. Multiple beneficial additions have NEVER been observed. It's like dog breeds. Genetically inferior to the wolf, all of them. Why they often have health issues.
The buzz word for truth should be "Credibility". There are a ton of examples where the Bible stands above ALL other belief systems based on credibility alone. Even if you don't think the Bible is credible, it still stands far above. The fact it has 40+ contributors over a ~2k year period is one. Another is the Bible is about 1/3 prophecy. Something the 'other' books rarely dare to do, let alone have volumes of it.
If you wanted to use Nostradamus as an example of prophecy, the reality of it is he never predicted any SPECIFIC and completely failed in most of his 3 per day over 3 years of prophecies. That is where he loses his CREDIBILITY.
You make an excellent point that occasionally popped into my head as a true believing Mormon (exited 2008). Few Mormon doctrines are actually based on the Book of Mormon itself. Leaders and members bear testimony of its authenticity, truth, and even PERFECTION, yet I can now bear testimony along with my friend Mark Twain that the book is, in fact, "ether in print".
The BOM is a book written by a God who could not spell and poor grammar, Joseph Smith stated he could NOT proceed writting the BOM if He did not coppy what he saw "word for word", YET JAmes E Talmage had to suggest that the church edit the BOM because of so many errors....proof God cant spell or write :OP
WOW! I've read a lot of SUPPRESSED and HIDDEN MORMON HISTORY but was not aware of this book, VIEW OF THE HEBREWS. Most LDS people do not know the Oliver Cowdery and Joseph Smith were cousins, as were most of the Witness's of the BOM. Thanks for the update!
Well, second cousins I've heard. There are a lot of similarities with the 'view of the hebrews', but I suspect the solomon manuscripts are more of a smoking gun. Solomon Spaulding was nick-named "old 'came to pass'" because he loved the phrase so much. As you probably already know, opening the BOM you can find this phrase anywhere from 1 to like 12 times on any random page. Try it.
Another current book was "American Antiquities and Discoveries in the West". 1831-37, 5th ed. with over 25,000 sold. It speaks of Eden in America, etc,sites sources. Columbus thought so. A.A. and D in the W also sites Champolion for some 35pages. If only Joe had known of A' A' and D in the W. I posted some of the book. I think Spaulding roomed with Ethan at Dartmouth.
Shawn would admit being an idiot which is more honorable of a man and shows higher self esteem. It's rather easy to blow of information when you can ridicule the one relaying the information isn't it.
Wait...because you claim he's an idiot, he is? From my point of view you are the true idiot, but that just makes me an idiot to you yes? lol
Shawn never claimed to have great wisdom, but I'm sure you have. Your argument is null. It has nothing to do with Shawn. It's what he represents you don't like. Some day you'll have to face reality, instead of the comfy social club.
@truthseeker1973 And you will have to answer as to why you fought so hard against Christ's church. Having an idiot call me an idiot and whine because they can't tell Christ's church from a country club doesn't hold much weight.
Christ's church? You mean the one rarely spoke of in mormonism who in time you can be equal to provided you follow all the mormon commandments, and who didn't die so you can be saved but only resurrected? That guy? Yes, it's really hard to tell the difference, especially when your temple rituals were borrowed from freemasons. That's when it's really hard.
@truthseeker1973 I can see from your comments about Christ's church that you are not describing the LDS church because we DO believe that Jesus Christ died on the cross and then rose again (RESURRECTED) on the third day. We all will be resurrected eventually. You never read your Bible, huh? So you think since you know so little about the LDS that you should create a video and display that ignorance to the world? Good plan, Einstein!
@truthseeker1973 Your Freemason claim has also already been debunked so you may want to rethink how you wish to act so UN-Christ-like towards an entire religion and its people Most Masons I know act more Christian than you've displayed here.
Jack! You're the shining example of what 'Christ like' should be! I can tell you, it's not hard to find someone who knows how to behave better than I do. I am a wretch, desperately in need of saving grace yes. What I have to offer of my own is pathetic at best.
Jack you are so right! I should seek to shed my wretchedness, so that my righteousness can shine through as yours does. You are definitely one of the few examples we can all look up to. One day Jack.....One day....
You should really should try something different than ad hominem attacks. As fun as it's been, it really does show a lack of argument. Maybe you could prove something false in these videos.
@truthseeker1973 I use ad hominem attacks because you are so familiar with them that I would talk to you the way you talk to LDS. You're not a "truthseeker". If you were, you'd be learning and studying instead of running your mouth about things you have no comprehension about.
Nice excuse jack, as far as the ad hominem attacks ;) I know mormonism very well, and your doctrine. Study your own doctrine you old fart ;) or do I need to remind you about the legalism (articles of faith) that mormonism teaches? Why did Christ die on the cross? Give me the old version or the revamped 'Christian' sounding one, either will work. You're going to have to do better than the 'freemason claim was debunked'.
@truthseeker1973 I don't have to do better than your freemason garbage debunked. Debunked is debunked. You're spreading lies, plain and simple. That's what you're doing, "lying for Christ". So be it. You're the one that's going to have to answer for it, not me. And if you knew more about the LDS religion, you be a Mormon. All you have is hate. But don't worry, you temple ordinances will be done for you.
It is because ex-Mormons are traumatized by their experience in Mormonism. Most people who are Mormons were raised Mormon because Mormonism does not convert & retain many people. When most ex-Mormons leave Mormonism they do not have an understanding of other religions. In fact they have the distorted image that Mormonism put in their minds about them. They conclude that if Mormonism is not true then God does not exist. They do not give other religions a chance due to past experience.
I ended up the opposite, sort of. I used to take the whole truth movement more serious, trying to let people know how bad their getting screwed, but then I heard someone say once we have the government we deserve, and albeit efforts from guys like Alex Jones, it will go no where. Man can do nothing without God. I decided to stick with the truth that matters 100x more, the saving gospel. We're all going to die eventually. My kingdom is not of this world, let the elite creeps have it.
1)your jesus is brother to lucifer. Christian's Jesus is his creator. 2)your jesus is exalted man. Christian's Jesus is God Himself 3)your jesus born of virgin birth but impregnated by immortal man. Christian's Jesus - God incarnate begotten of the Holy Spirit 4)your god attained his "godhood" Christian's God has always been God. 5)your jesus' blood doesn't cover all sins. Christian's Jesus' blood covers ALL sin. - Your beliefs are in direct contradiction with the Word of God
I am a Member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Former Day Saints.
We have the true Gospel, the REAL good news.
I was Saved, Born Again Spiritually, Forgiven, Redeemed, Converted, Adopted, Blessed, Lifted Up, Given Eternal Hope and Eternal Security 20 years before I ever heard of Joseph Smith.
thats good for you brother. Im happy for you.Sincerely. And this may come as a surprise but he dosnt need you eithr.We all just need the Saviour.His gospel and His atoning sacrifice.
We believe and allow all men to worship what where or how they may.Christ offerd All mankind the very same choice.And He did it without judgmnt or redicule.After all He came knowing His sheep.Who they were just as they knew who He was.All good.
I was born in ST Lake most Mormon people are wounderful people but the religion they follow is feared due to it being a cult and proven false by many documents of the time it was written/founded.
@rbratdad Oh wow, I had no idea! Thank you, "rbratdad" of the Internet, for taking time out to tell us that the Mormon church of which I have been a member for over 30 years has been proven false. I shall pass this along to my bishop, who will tell the other leaders of the church. I'm sure they had no idea, either!! Wow, we sure learn alot from Internet people!
why do people gotta hate on the mormons- I mean they are the most successful and financially stable organisation- probably one of the more wealthy churches.. there must be a reason they are so rich?
Christians that witness to mormons aren't doing it out of hatred but rather love. We are trying to get them to realize they are deceived and following a gospel that doesn't save. Oprah is probably the wealthiest woman alive. Should we follow her false gospel? What does it profit a man to gain the world, but lose his soul.
@truthseeker1973 I live in NZ and the Mormon church here recently provided great assistance with the Christchurch Earthquake, man they are quite prepared for natural disasters of the sort and are encouraged to have food storage- also theyve assist Red Cross- they just seem to know what to do in major emergencies - not only for themselves but for the wider commuinities...I commend them for thier releif efforts...
Marcus, mormonism has one of the greatest PR machines in history, and although anyone should be commended for relief efforts, I don't believe their intentions are as it seems on the surface. Mormonism uses "feel good" tactics to draw in converts. It is "truth" by inspiration rather than truth by verification. Truth by inspiration = deception.
@truthseeker1973How does your religion draw in converts my frend.Do not people feel good about the gospel when they hear it helping one to convertion?Judge not that ye be not judged etc. And are you saying that a knowledge of truth is not brought about by inspiration from the Holy Ghost but by "verification" alone?And what is Faith?It does not need verification by fact but by inspiration.Its service to our fellowmen my frend.Let your light shine,Yu mite read the Good Samaritan story as well.
My religion doesn't draw in converts, the spirit does. In mormonism it is the cart before the horse. All true believers experience positive emotion from the gospel, but that isn't where their conviction first came from. They know truth lies in the word, and it teaches we are saved by grace alone. Mormonism teaches a different gospel, and then says if you receive positive emotion from it, it must be true. The Bible says our hearts deceive above all, and fools listen to it.
@truthseeker1973 Yes truth is in the word but conviction of that word doent come from just reedn it.It comes from the Holy Ghost that teachs All truth.You said yur religion/truth is based on facts not on "emotion" but evidence.Now your saying the spirit does.That is the foundation of LDS.We know that confirmation comes from the Holy Ghost.You have changed your story brother.How did Peter know the Christ?Bcos father in Heaven revealed it to him by the rock of revelation.Spirit speaking to spirit.
The Bible says anyone who contradicts the word has no light in them. They do not have the spirit. What you refer to as the spirit, I refer to as emotion/desire. You are confusing the two. Those who prefer truth, value evidence. The evidence shows your religion is a collection of borrowed ideas, and the BOM is fiction. jferri, you follow your desire for truth. Only YOUR truth is what is important to you.
What are you trying to say jferri? That the Spirit and facts are two separate things? In Mormonism of course they are because facts don't support it, but yet if someone who was fact based wanted it for Biblical Christianity there is a plethora of fact there. According to the Bible the spirit enters a person who becomes a true believer, resulting in their new creation, and now part of God's family.
@truthseeker1973 hahaha 2nd time yuv calld me jferri lol.Stop it yull hav me in tears soon.Once again.The spirit or Holy ghost will confirm the truth of "Facts" to any who seek Him.just as Christ promised.Let me explain truthseeker. Go back and reread all Ive said.Figure it out for yourself.Your superior intellect has not managed to get itself around things yet has it and Im notgonnakeepexplainingthesame Basics to you Over n Over again okay.Your boring me now.Pls go away truthseeker hahahaha :D
are you sure yur not some snot nosed pimple faced teenager tryin to act like yur som kind of Biblical scholar/Professor on this forum.Letme tellya...it aint workin buddy?hahahaha :D
@jferristube What I'm not is a teenager, a Biblical scholar/Professor, and certainly not someone with a superior intellect. What I am is a wretch who needs the saving gospel, a dumb ass, and someone who cares you and every Mormon understands the Biblical saving gospel of grace, and not added to as many cults do. Sorry I am too boring for you.
Faith most definitely comes from verification. When people see the work of God happen in their lives, it creates faith. The Bible says by reading it you gain faith. You have faith the sun will come up every morning. Why? Because all your life so far it has. Most of my faith comes from understanding and knowing his word more.
Awesome But yu said faith comes from the word in and of itself and does not need the spirit.Isnt confirmation thru the spirit(Holy Ghost) confirmation of truth.After all what factual evidence is ther that the gospel is indeed fact ie all the evidence in the world is nothing without conviction of the rock of revelation.And whose interpretation or sect has the corrct interpretation of scripture?Christianity is a House divided...
@truthseeker1973 Faith is of things unseen and of the Spirit n dosnt need verification or factual evidence.Nothing Christ did or said was based on fact or evidenc of things "Seen"but on faith of things "Unseen" Christ said he wud send the Holy Ghost to teach us truth of all things.Acording to you all we need do is read the word.It will teach us in and of itself.Then why are ther countless interpretations of the same scripture from all sects?A house divided against itself does not/will not stand.
@truthseeker1973 Scripture says Faith preceeds the miracle frend. Christ healed those who had Faith First.Miracles never preceed faith in scripture.Thats like saying.Show me a miracle (works of god) then I'll have faith.What did Christ say of those who seek for signs.NB.Most saw His miracles then accused him of bein of the devil etc n crucified Him.You will not see gods work evn tho they be ther(atheists) if you do not first have belief or Faith in him.Yur the one puttn the cart b4 the horse
@truthseeker1973If you can say that of Mormons youd have to say the same of all charity from all Sects including yours.Or perhaps yurs does not indulge in such Christian behavior.
“So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. 3 But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, 4 so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
@truthseeker1973 thats exactly the point- all their acts are done anonymously- Ive never seen them holding big fat cheques shaking hands in front on the tv saying "hey look at us"- in fact the world hardly knows the releif efforts the church provides! Definately when it comes to natural disasters - those blinkn mormons are somewat prepared...they can have their religion-But Ill know who to look for when I'm hungry!!
They are very prepared. Food and water storage are a BIG thing among mormons too. But yet there is very little to NO faith the god they believe in has any control either trust me I am around mormons every day. The mormon religion is nothing more than humanism.
@truthseeker1973 Hey pretty good point...mormons dont have faith in god.But the fact that theyr able to bring relief to humantarium causes worldwide.Often the first on the scene.Makes them faithless in god and just "humanism" Or cud it be being just plain good christians and being more than just hearers of the word but doers also.I think it is more than "humanism" my frend.Someone has to do the Lords work both temporal and of corse.Spiritual,And anyway isnt faith without works dead?just a thort.
They can't be good Christians, because mormonism isn't Christian. They certainly can be 'good' anyway, by human standards. What it really boils down to jferristube is are you lead by your own heart (desires, feelings, inspiration) or lead by a testable spirit of truth. I tend to wonder if you are indeed mormon yourself.
@truthseeker1973 Of corse Im moromon.We follow Christs teachings.We know He is our Savior and accept Him as such.And we do certainly believe on His name.Thats all I need to do to be a Christian isnt it? Yur judgmnt dosnt sound very Christian. Neithr does all the condemning of LDS on this forum (coming from professed christians) seem very christian or Christ like to me but i cud be wrong.Am I missn somthn here.Sincerely
I condemn LDS because it is a different Jesus, different spirit, and a different gospel as Paul warned against. God did not command us to tithe. You are referring to an OT concept that was addressed to Jews, and yes, you need to tithe for an LDS temple recommend, which is also required for the celestial kingdom and to be with god. You do a good job of convincing yourself, you don't need to do it in here my friend.
@truthseeker1973 christian religions all teach a diffrent Jesus and doctrines from each othr as they all teach diffrnt interpretation of scripture.Theyre all divided against each other.Who has the true gospel or interpretation?Catholic.Prespytarian.Baptist.Sthrn Baptist.Methodist?Church of England?KKK?So the OT dosnt count?Why?Cos it was for the Jewsand only them.So you dont pay tithes in your church?Perhaps you dont have churchs to meet in.You dont help the poor and needy as we do thru tithes?
..."christian religions all teach a diffrent Jesus"..."and doctrines from each othr as they all teach diffrnt interpretation of scripture"...
Or that's what you have been taught.
I challenge you to find a difference between the Baptists and the Methodists (or any mainstream Christian denomination) when it comes to the "Identity" of Jesus or the core Doctrines regarding Salvation.
Mormonism, Buddahism, Shintoism and Islam all agree on Jesus though.
@hammerogod Dont need to but okay.Method of Baptism. No need of baptise.Baptism by immersion.Gravn images.That theyr all divided on any or just1 point of doctrine is enuff.Yur sayn not all scripture counts. You can change distort add or take away scripture.Funny those who counsel LDS on Christ and scripture accuse us of the very things they themselves r guilty of.Paul said.."anything more or less"Im sure he ment what Christ ment. All that proceedth out of the mouth of God.Preach none other.
I don't know of any Denomination that doesn't require Baptism.
No Protestant Denomination has any "Graven" images.
ALL Denominations believe that Salvation is through Grace..a free gift of God. ("Works" come after we receive the Holy Spirit or they mean NOTHING).
ALL Denominations believe that Jesus paid the FULL price for Sin on the Cross. (we must Repent and Obey, but the Work of "Salvation" is already done).
@hammerogod yes He did pay the full price.Agreed.Yull find ther r those who say baptism by water isnt necessary.And yes Smith did bring the BoM but he didnt add or take anythin from the Bible.The BoM is anothr witness of Christ divine as revealed to His prophets nd His children in the Americas.He visited them ther and gav them His Gospel also.Why wudnt He?Biblicly He said He had sheep of anothr fold He had to visit also of theHouse of Israel.That ther wud be one fold n one Shepherd.Simple.
Mormon doctrine has not and does not view Christ as the savior. Mormonism insisting it's Christian and believe in Christ as their savior are just the latest conversion tools, because the old ones are becoming less effective. I could always quote your earlier prophets who focus on works, or even your articles of faith. If you truly believed Christ died for you and salvation was by grace alone, you would have no reason to be mormon.
We Know he died for us and hav always taught that All mankind are saved bcos of Christs atonmnt. ALL Men (1Pet 3:18-21) will be saved.Saved from death.Wethr yu blieve in Christ or not.To return and liv with him(exaltation) we must follow him and do as He does and as He commands.If you need to say what mormons blieve pls know and tell the truth of what we teach and what we believe. Truth is important...
@truthseeker1973 So yur saying ur god doesnt teach you to prepare?If so you dont follow your own Bible by yur very statemnt against us.How did Noah prepare my frend or Joshua against Jericho.Christ for His crucifxion?Heeps of xamples.Faith without works is dead.God expects us to do our part.We show our faith in Him by obedience to His command.Why did He give the command to pay tithes.God does not need our tithes.His commands are for our benefit not His.God in mormonism Is in control brother.
@truthseeker1973 And yes thats exactly the way mormons are with ther acts of charity.No fanfare.No trumpet.No hypocracy.They give in secret without reward for Charity to ther fellowman regardless of race color or creed and the pure love of Christ.If done to draw in converts as yu say we wud shout from the rooftops for converts.Kinda makes yur argumnt against us and our motives look very un Christian to me.But I cud be wrong.You mite wanna rethink your judgmnt my brother. Just saying...
My judgement means nothing. The word of God and the saving gospel therein are what matter. Nothing else. If a group chooses to teach contrary, then they have my attention, good deeds or not. My motivation is for the sake of saving souls. The truth isn't for everyone. There are many who would rather follow their own ideals.
@truthseeker1973 All of a sudden yur judgmnt of us means nothn?I think not. Careful my truthseeker brother. Christ said "judge not" Remembr? The Lord said those who dig a "Pit" will fall into it themselves.Our judgemnts will come back to either condemn us or to justify us.We both know that. At least we as LDS do.The Lord warns us to Not go about judging a brother to just flagrantly dismiss at our whim without consequence my Truthseeker brother.Our words will eithr condemn or justify us.Simple.
Don't doubt for a second such acts are actually viewed as an investment. The mormon church knows a great deal about investments, they are a very business minded religion. How many, especially from New Zealand were equally impressed?
@truthseeker1973 All Churchs on the planet have a business side to them.Thruought Bible history Israel were successful also in things temporal and prospered in the land and against ther enemies bcos God was ther Lead.Your rite.The LDS Church is very successful today also with bizness bcos Christ is at its Head.But I gotta say.LDS are the only church that does not require its members to pay fees/money to"clergy" to administer ordinances of salvation as is the case in all othrs.
@truthseeker1973 Oh yes you are so right.We do look upon it as an investmnt.It is as Christ said... "lay up for yourself treasures in Heaven wher dust n moth do not corrupt neithr thieves break in to steal" Thank you for your very good point.Never wud hav thought of it myself.Thank you brother.Church biznessminded???
@hammerogod True, points taken-- so if Joseph suffered from a form of delusional behaviour and has been able to somehow create this somewhat cult of a church- big ups to this looney man- what an acheivement, and being hindered by a mental disorder of such I dont know anyone who has done anything similar on such a large scale...
@marcus1winter "I dont know anyone who has done anything similar on such a large scale" There are about 13 Million Mormons in the world. There are 1.57 billion Muslims in the world There are 2.1 billion Catholics in the world. There are 600,000,000 Protestants in the world. There are 850,000,000 Hindus in the world. That being true, Muhammad alone was 115.384615 times better at it than Joseph. Was Muhammad sane? Either way he did a better job than Joseph. Hmmm?
@hammerogod I reiterate marcus' commnts. All he had to do was deny his grandios omnipotent delusional self as yu state and hed have been left alone let alone murderd bcos of his messag. But he wasnt left alone.To this day people revile him and accuse him falsely of all mannr of evil.Why hasnt he been dimissed as a nut case?Bcos he was a prophet of God called to do a divine work in these the last days.To be dilusional and to have started what he started???His mission was indeed divine.
@jferristube Joseph had a strong motive for what he did. He had a lot to gain. Sure, he could have denied all of it. He might have if he had lived longer. He was already busted during his lifetime The central point to focus on when considering Joseph is "What did he have to gain?". Well....... #1- Power. #2- Money. #3- Woman. #4- Authority. I don't have to look at the historical record covering the last 2 centuries very hard to find 100's of men who did the same things for the same reasons.
@hammerogod Yes 100s who have tried to gain those 3 things some using the Bible to do it but wher r all those men nd ther folowers now? Can you see nd kno the diffrence Hammer? And aftr all Joseph nd the erly LDS went thru.Here we still remain against all the odds all the opposition nd persecution of thos who try to discredit and destroy us.Think about it.
@hammerogod Okay but why isnt he just dismissd as a nutcase and left alone?He along with hundreds of men womn nd children.Children???Yes!!!Wer murdered by supposed christians jus bcos of our bliefs.The same core attitude of persecution exists against us today.The same peopl who have that same attitude toward us wud kill us today if the environmnt justified it now as it did bak then. Christ said His followers wud suffer persecution evn unto death even as He was. A sobering thought.Think about it.
@jferristube ..."You do not know the man and prophet Joseph Smith"... You don't know history. There have been 100's or even 1000's of 'Josephs'. Men claiming to have some special secret or knowledge or 'Revelation' or relationship with God. Just in the last 200 years we have had 100's. Just a small list of a few: ~Jim Jones ~David Koresh ~Charles Russell ~Mary Baker Eddy ~Sun Myung Moon ~L. Ron Hubbard ~Charles Fillmore And more, many more. All claiming to have "Divine" Revelation.
Oliver Cowdery was NOT Joe's cousin but his third cousin. How many of your third cousins are you familiar with?
Don't get me wrong; I completely agree that the whole thing was cooked up by Cowdery, Rigdon and Pratt with Joe as the front man, but get the facts straight. It is so obviously a fraud that you do not need to strengthen your position by incorrect information. We all want the TRUTH
Thanks for the info. Something I was unaware of. I was wondering though, is it incorrect to refer to someone as a cousin if they are a third cousin? If it is incorrect, then wouldn't it be better to refer to a first cousin as a 'first' rather than just cousin? Either way I see your point, the relationship is a lot more distant than what is implied in just 'cousin', which could actually hurt it's credibility to those who don't choose to see that is is obviously a fraud.
@Jeanikins Third or first may or not be relevant.. the fact remains, Jo Smiths mormonism was a family business... although Jo Smith 3rd didn't get the deal he was supposed to. If you want to learn about or meet your distant cousins.. ask your parents, auntie, uncles and grandparents to throw a party.. you'll meet family right enough.
Just as Jesus said ""Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.".The road to destruction is paved with good intentions no less.
The world is divided into two main groups. Those who choose to follow their desires/hearts for truth, and those who choose to follow the truth/light.
The truth is NOT truth by inspiration, but truth by verification.
as believers of Christ, we have the old and new testement, why do we need the book of mormon? doesnt the book of mormon add to God's word? The book of mormon is not required for salvation is it? The old & new testament was not good enough for joseph smith so he created an addition.
@cole3454657 Actually, that practice was discountiued from the church over 100 years ago and anyone practices that today is not apart of The Church of Latter Day Saints. Also why do people go and watch videos about Mormonism just to laugh and make fun of it? Espically when you yourself are ignorant.
I've noticed Mormons don't seem to like non-Mormons for the most part. I mean, they say they do, but then they aren't very welcoming to non-mormons. I went to prom with a mormon--big mistake. I wasn't mormon and they made me know it. Like when it was decision time I couldn't take part in the decisions. My brother was elected senior class president, but the principal let the current people elected choose who the next one would be. They chose someone else because my brother wasn't mormon.
@Felegund1 What I'm trying to say is, the Bible teaches us to love. So I don't see why the Book of Mormon has to be so screwed up that it gives mormons the okay not love when many still call themselves Christians.
This is why a VERY Loving Heavenly Father has blessed us with a 3rd Member of the Godhead..The Beloved Holy Ghost.He revealith the Truth of ALL things.You can make videos till the day you die my brother, my Testimony stands firm as a witness that The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-Day Saints IS The Saviors One True Church and The Book of Mormon is TRUE.This I learned from Above thru EARNEST&SINCERE Prayer to The Almighty in the name of His Only Begotten Son..JESUS CHRIST. NOT from man
Did you happen to pray about the truth of the Bible first? You didn't need to pray in regards to the BOM, because the Bible already answers that for us.
2 Timothy 4:3-4
“For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires; and will turn away their ears from the truth, and will turn aside to myths.”
@truthseeker1973 Es que la biblia ha sido modificada por intereses lejanos a Dios y esto confunde a los hombres pues ya no es clara y entendible como Dios lo quiso, como fuera hasta que dejó de estar en las manos de los doce discípulos. Pero Dios en su misericordia dio a la luz un libro que estaba escondido y que eran de otra parte de su redil, en los dias postreros que son los actuales. Los españoles vinieron al Perú mi pais y en nombre de Dios con la biblia ejercieron mucha crueldad.
Doris don't blame the Bible for what the Spaniards did. Anyone who has a love for the truth has no problem understanding the fundamental messages of the Bible. Most people do not love truth, and would rather be swept away by false doctrine.
2 Timothy 3:4
"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires"
Doris no culpo a la Biblia por lo que los españoles lo hicieron. Cualquiera que tenga un amor a la verdad no tiene ningún problema de comprensión de los mensajes fundamentales de la Biblia. La mayoría de las personas no aman la verdad, y prefieren ser arrastrados por las falsas doctrinas.
2 Timoteo 3:4
"Porque vendrá tiempo cuando no sufrirán la sana doctrina, sino que quieren que les regalen los oídos, se amontonarán maestros conforme a sus propios deseos"
@truthseeker1973 los españoles mataron y violaron derechos humanos en nombre de la biblia. No culpo a la biblia, la biblia original era perfecta.De hecho yo tambien amo la biblia, pero no se puede negar que es muy misteriosa y se presta a ambiguedades no en todo pero en mucho. Yo se que lo importante es ser bueno y hacer el bien sin que la religion nos divida pero yo quiero estar en la verdad y hay muchas cosas que el libro de mormón aclara y se que es justo yo lo siento así.
Los hombres han tratado de usar la Biblia como una excusa, sí, pero nunca los verdaderos creyentes. Los españoles formaban parte de un culto también. La Biblia que tenemos ahora es muy preciso. Esto puede ser demostrado. Lo que no se puede mostrar evidencia para el Libro de Mormón. Es un libro de ficción. El mormonismo es cristiano y el politeísmo no. Usted sigue su deseo de verdad lo siento.
@truthseeker1973 Los cientificos concluyeron que los primeros pobladores de america provienen de Asia y allí queda Israel. Con todo respeto me gustaria saber donde puedo conseguir esa biblia precisa. Usted ha leido el libro de mormón? no tiene que contestarme si no quiere ya esto parece contención x lo q pido disculpas y solo le dejo esta pregunta:
"¿Acaso no sabéis que el testimonio de dos naciones os es un testigo de que yo soy Dios, y que me acuerdo tanto de una, como de otra nación?"
hola, yo no sé el punto de cita de Nefi. Sí, los "indios americanos" son de Asia decente. Un James King o New King James es lo suficientemente preciso. Todas las traducciones modernas dicen lo mismo acerca de quién es Jesús y lo que se necesita para la salvación y que sólo hay un Dios en la existencia. He leído lo suficiente del Libro de Mormón. Mormonismo predica un evangelio diferente, un Jesús diferente, y un espíritu diferente. Asegúrese de que es lo que quieres.
Doris, por favor, traducir al Inglés con Google Traducir al responder o responder directamente a mí. Usted está llenando la sección de comentarios con un lenguaje de la mayoría de nosotros no hablamos. No me haga usted bloquea Doris: D
@truthseeker1973 yes this is anothr great scripture provin by scripture that ther wud indeed be a great turning away from the truth ie the Great Apostacy.Remember Catholicism was the only supposed divine authority of Christ on earth for how many hundreds of yrs b4 the reformers came along.The Bible says apostacy wud b followed by restoration of all things coming in the last days b4 His second coming.An angel bringing the Everlasting Gospel to the earth.Read it in yur Bible. One faithOne Baptism
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@ruthseeker010101
1st you insult me saying, "and your a douche bag..."
Then you claim, "Insults just point out the fact that you don't have the intellecial ability to respond to the content of my comment."
....to which i say, "Perhaps"
then you insult me again with, "As in your stupid."
...cant argue with logic like that, you win.
godnmyhands 4 days ago
Excellent post! This takes me back to a Comparitive Religion class in college.
Less than an hour into the discussion of Mormonism, it was abundantly clear:
B U L L S H I T ! ! !
These religions (The Watchtower, Scientology, et al) are so vapid and without
consequence, your mind labors to understand how adult people of the 21st century
extend more than scorn at this nonsense.......
Religion needs to be purged sooner than later from the blood stream of society.
Long live logic, reason, and FACT!
mrbarthoss1 2 weeks ago
I posted "American Antiquities and Discoveries in the West" 1830, Josiah Priest. Like View of the Hebrews it posits all the same stories. It also has over 30 pages of Correspondence with some guy name Champollion. (A poor peasant boy who apparently translated Real Egyptian) If only Joe had 1 of the 25,000 copies published by 1835. Heck, I have 6!! Me thinks some Freemasons may have read it and other books and concluded MoJoe was a lying Hoe'. These stories are as old as Columbus
IExposeMormonism 2 weeks ago
Please can someone tell me where this music is from - or who made/wrote it? Thanks
carlt1homas 3 weeks ago in playlist More videos from truthseeker1973
@carlt1homas
It's from The Davinci Code.
truthseeker1973 3 weeks ago
You poke holes in there truth and it makes you think your truth is truth.
I poke holes in your truth and I know my truth is not truth, but we all have some truth.
truthseeker010101 1 month ago
@truthseeker010101
Your 'truth' is new age universalism, or "there is no absolute truth - truth". There is only one saving truth. If you don't have it, you aren't saved. The truth stands on it's own, and doesn't need hole poking to make it so. Truth is what it is, no matter who believes it or not.
truthseeker1973 1 month ago
@truthseeker1973 no, new age universalism is just another label,and as I told you before I see truth everywhere I look, or in other words, I see God everywhere I look.
I know God personally and love God. You don't seem to come close to understanding what I am saying. God is infinite, I understand the higher level of truth that all small pieces are one whole. Every molecule in this cosmos is one, your duality is in your mind, your ego and self is your own delusion.
truthseeker010101 1 month ago
@truthseeker1973 And there is absolute truth, it is not finite in a book. It is God
God is omniscience (infinite knowledge), omnipotence (unlimited power), omnipresence (present everywhere), omnibenevolence (perfect goodness), divine simplicity, and eternal and necessary existence.
When you bring God down to this finite doctrine you have created a delusion, ignorance, and poverty, and you are that poverty.
truthseeker010101 1 month ago
@truthseeker1973 Your just like an Atheist in the fact you have to find a label so you can define me and then hate me. I am a child of the most high, I am infinite, I am eternal, I am God's child, and I am a God. This is according yo your Bible which I read and quote to you extensively.
truthseeker010101 1 month ago
@truthseeker010101
This whole conversation started because of your own labeling. Let's stop with playing the all loving innocent victim card please. You're a dirty sinner (woops I labeled you again) like everyone else and in need of salvation, but chooses to follow his own tainted heart for truth instead, leading you down an 'Avatar' like fantasy. The only thing I hate is deception.
truthseeker1973 1 month ago
@truthseeker1973 If I followed my heart I'd be you, a Paulian. Instead I seek God and know God.
truthseeker010101 1 month ago
@truthseeker1973 I am not saying you don't know God, I am saying you know a piece of God and you deny all the other piece's . Or as Jesus described, how do you the hand deny the foot is the body.
truthseeker010101 1 month ago
@truthseeker010101 ...you sir are boring.
godnmyhands 4 days ago
@godnmyhands and your a douche bag, we all have our failings.
Insults just point out the fact that you don't have the intellecial ability to respond to the content of my comment. As in your stupid.
truthseeker010101 4 days ago
@truthseeker1973 We can keep trying to lock truth down in a finite box called religion but it will always be lacking.
The truth you cannot fully know in the finite, but when you die and become part of infinite you will know and be fully known. READ YOUR BIBLE FRIEND!
truthseeker010101 1 month ago
@truthseeker010101 What exactly are you saying? On one hand you say that "The truth you cannot know in the finite, but when you die and become part of the infinite you will know and be fully known". But Then you say "Instead I seek god and know God" ....... You just said you cannot know God through a finite doctrine, which is religion. So how exactly do you know god, if you have no method to know God?
Alexthemoron2 1 month ago
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@Alexthemoron2 By knowing that I cannot know I know. Because when you know you know something, is when you know nothing at all. The problem here is I have no words to describe a experience I had. Wish I did,maybe one day.
truthseeker010101 1 month ago
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@truthseeker1973 "you aren't saved. The truth stands on it's own, and doesn't need hole poking to make it so. Truth is what it is, no matter who believes it or not."
I am not saved?
Matthew 7:1-2
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged."
"For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you."
You condemn yourself to judgement and I don't know why you would claim the Bible but then disregard it to judge me!
truthseeker010101 1 month ago
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@truthseeker1973 "you aren't saved. The truth stands on it's own, and doesn't need hole poking to make it so. Truth is what it is, no matter who believes it or not."
I am not saved?
Matthew 7:1-2
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged."
"For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you."
You condemn yourself to judgement and I don't know why you would claim the Bible but then disregard it to judge me!
truthseeker010101 1 month ago
SBKinsella, I don't know you but I think I would definitely like you :D
I get the sense you aren't TOO PROUD, and you have no idea how much I appreciate that ;)
truthseeker1973 1 month ago
alot of exmormons become Athiest either due to never wanting to be hurt/lied to again or because those like me have studied hard and found religion is just full of hose crap.
SBKinsella 3 months ago
@SBKinsella
Everyone is part of a religion, whether it's your very own or an organized one. So you've given up a lie for the lie of evolution maybe? If you have a love for the truth, you'll find it. If you don't, you will not. The Bible has plenty going for it, especially when compared to other religious doctrine. Nothing else even compares. Going from accepting a lie to then rebellion is just another flavor of not loving the truth. Pray to be SHOWN (not feel) the truth.
truthseeker1973 2 months ago
I dont belong to any religion, I follow no diety, no dogma, do no accept any higher power of mystic power. I reject it, i'm a realist who thinks for himself and questions all and fyi I believe Evolution is a crock of lies, most likely we were a creation of some ET group who came here and needed slave labour, IF I was to believe in a "God", I would be a Diest, for since the destruction of Herads Temple "God" has ceased to talk or interject on mans behalf, why? because God is fiction like Santa
SBKinsella 2 months ago
@SBKinsella
I do not believe God ceased talking to man. I believe the claims by some who receive messages in dreams to a down right audible voice. The only difference is it's not part of the Bible.
truthseeker1973 2 months ago
@SBKinsella God will show himself to righteous people. those who deny christ, christ will deny them at the last day
akafreightking 2 months ago
@akafreightking
God has never shown me anything, TRUST me, I prayers about the BOM, I served an honorable mission and NEVER heard God once, I lived the churchs rules and tried to be what the church taught us, what I heard from God was that he did not exsist so stop being childish and move on to being an adult and put childish things behind me like Santa and the easter bunny...Christ/God can kiss my furry bottom and I say this because there is NO god, its a silly myth shesh :O)
SBKinsella 1 month ago
@SBKinsella God knows what you need, he knows when u need to hear from him. Your belief will only be as strong as your faith
akafreightking 1 month ago
@SBKinsella
The Bible already answers if the BOM is true. That's why you don't pray for an answer that's already answered in his word. Pray that he reveals THE TRUTH, and THE TRUTH alone. I challenge you to do that. Humility is the key m' man.
truthseeker1973 1 month ago
@SBKinsella
or m'lady. Which ever ;)
truthseeker1973 1 month ago
@truthseeker1973 I dont belong to any religion, I follow no diety, no dogma, do no accept any higher power of mystic power. I reject it, i'm a realist who thinks for himself and questions all and fyi I believe Evolution is a crock of lies, most likely we were a creation of some ET group who came here and needed slave labour, IF I was to believe in a "God", I would be a Diest,God is fiction like Santa Clause..The bible is so full if inconsistancy its not even funny, that is an essays topic there
SBKinsella 2 months ago
@SBKinsella
It raises the question then, who created the aliens? I will give you credit for seeing evolution as the crock that it is. I often tell Atheists I have more respect for those with views such as yours. I've seen the claims of contradictions and inconsistencies, they are usually the result of lazy exegesis or a misunderstanding of the culture or the audience. Anti-Deism or Deism is the only thing you have I'm afraid.
truthseeker1973 2 months ago
@truthseeker1973
Why did someone have to create Aliens? Honestly why did someone have to "create" us? the concept of God was just a big misunderstanding when some Space travellers happened to touch down here, we as humans could not explain what we saw so we called them Gods or a higher power. God as a monotheistic being is not the first of the Gods, he is actualy just one of many that showed up, the Sumarian and Egyptians had Many Gods before the Jewish faith came to be..
SBKinsella 1 month ago
it just happens that their God survived the longest ( prechance because the Christians killed those who followed other gods than their own?), your God has no power and is just a myth, the Bible and Koran as well as the Torah are just full of inconsistancies, at least since has a sounder ground to speak than Religion that is based off of stories and has denied/rejected proven facts untill less than 60yrs back ( that the world revolved around the sun for one....ran out of characters...
SBKinsella 1 month ago
@SBKinsella
Because they wouldn't have created themselves. Life is too complex for evolution, which you already know is BS. It's ironic you bring this up. "Aliens" are those 'many gods' the Sumarian and Egyptians followed. In both cases they are ultimately the same thing. Fallen angels. Gen 6:1-4 describes their inter breeding/mingling with humans. This is a huge area of study and hardly the room for it in here.
truthseeker1973 1 month ago
@truthseeker1973 I do not believe in Darwins Evolution, Evolution is a fact, happens every day, a catapilliar becomes a butter fly, we no longer need the use of our wisdom teeth, I do NOT believe we came from fish, I do believe we may have evolved from an early form of the Ape, there is theories of how Rays from certain planets change the chemistry of plants and certain animals, could happen to us, the sun changes our skin as it is, climate and enviroment as well....
more soon
SBKinsella 1 month ago
@SBKinsella Yes I believe "fallen angels" are aliens and so is "God(s)"....life is complex, BUT the question then is who Created "God" and who created that one? and so on and so on....something and that does not mean a "higher power" could have created it. a seed is not so complex and outside of religions dogmas most cant be explained on how it was created, but we now it grows from something small to something very complex...evolution, does not mean man came from fish or "god"
SBKinsella 1 month ago
@SBKinsella
The whole where did God come from question is a tough one to wrap your head around for sure, but shouldn't deter anyone to disbelief, as you'll always be stuck with that dilemma whatever path you choose. The Bible says God 'always was, and always will be'. Eternal. No beginning and no end. Yes, hard to get.
truthseeker1973 1 month ago
@truthseeker1973 I do think that is an open minded opion I must say
SBKinsella 1 month ago
@SBKinsella
What you describe is genetic mutation of genes that ALREADY exist. In that sense, then yes it is a fact. Some Atheists would say micro-evolution+micro+micro=Changes from one species to another. Apples and Oranges. This implies multiple ADDITIONS of beneficial genetic material over long periods of time. Multiple beneficial additions have NEVER been observed. It's like dog breeds. Genetically inferior to the wolf, all of them. Why they often have health issues.
truthseeker1973 1 month ago
@SBKinsella
The buzz word for truth should be "Credibility". There are a ton of examples where the Bible stands above ALL other belief systems based on credibility alone. Even if you don't think the Bible is credible, it still stands far above. The fact it has 40+ contributors over a ~2k year period is one. Another is the Bible is about 1/3 prophecy. Something the 'other' books rarely dare to do, let alone have volumes of it.
truthseeker1973 1 month ago
@SBKinsella
If you wanted to use Nostradamus as an example of prophecy, the reality of it is he never predicted any SPECIFIC and completely failed in most of his 3 per day over 3 years of prophecies. That is where he loses his CREDIBILITY.
truthseeker1973 1 month ago
You make an excellent point that occasionally popped into my head as a true believing Mormon (exited 2008). Few Mormon doctrines are actually based on the Book of Mormon itself. Leaders and members bear testimony of its authenticity, truth, and even PERFECTION, yet I can now bear testimony along with my friend Mark Twain that the book is, in fact, "ether in print".
BelgianBicyclist 3 months ago
@BelgianBicyclist
The BOM is a book written by a God who could not spell and poor grammar, Joseph Smith stated he could NOT proceed writting the BOM if He did not coppy what he saw "word for word", YET JAmes E Talmage had to suggest that the church edit the BOM because of so many errors....proof God cant spell or write :OP
SBKinsella 1 month ago
@SBKinsella
Bingo you got it. Except the BOM wasn't of God. You are describing my point of credibility.
truthseeker1973 1 month ago
WOW! I've read a lot of SUPPRESSED and HIDDEN MORMON HISTORY but was not aware of this book, VIEW OF THE HEBREWS. Most LDS people do not know the Oliver Cowdery and Joseph Smith were cousins, as were most of the Witness's of the BOM. Thanks for the update!
josephsmithwashere 3 months ago
@josephsmithwashere
Well, second cousins I've heard. There are a lot of similarities with the 'view of the hebrews', but I suspect the solomon manuscripts are more of a smoking gun. Solomon Spaulding was nick-named "old 'came to pass'" because he loved the phrase so much. As you probably already know, opening the BOM you can find this phrase anywhere from 1 to like 12 times on any random page. Try it.
truthseeker1973 3 months ago
Great music, may I ask who it is?
AnnymsVoice 4 months ago
Another current book was "American Antiquities and Discoveries in the West". 1831-37, 5th ed. with over 25,000 sold. It speaks of Eden in America, etc,sites sources. Columbus thought so. A.A. and D in the W also sites Champolion for some 35pages. If only Joe had known of A' A' and D in the W. I posted some of the book. I think Spaulding roomed with Ethan at Dartmouth.
IExposeMormonism 4 months ago
well done piece, thanks for taking the time. God bless!
pappyforyou 5 months ago
You're getting your information from the idiot in this video? LOL!
JackNimble61 5 months ago
@JackNimble61
Shawn would admit being an idiot which is more honorable of a man and shows higher self esteem. It's rather easy to blow of information when you can ridicule the one relaying the information isn't it.
truthseeker1973 5 months ago
@truthseeker1973 Who's the bigger idiot? The idiot or the one that follows the idiot claiming him to have great wisdom?
JackNimble61 5 months ago
@JackNimble61
Wait...because you claim he's an idiot, he is? From my point of view you are the true idiot, but that just makes me an idiot to you yes? lol
Shawn never claimed to have great wisdom, but I'm sure you have. Your argument is null. It has nothing to do with Shawn. It's what he represents you don't like. Some day you'll have to face reality, instead of the comfy social club.
truthseeker1973 5 months ago
@truthseeker1973 And you will have to answer as to why you fought so hard against Christ's church. Having an idiot call me an idiot and whine because they can't tell Christ's church from a country club doesn't hold much weight.
JackNimble61 5 months ago
@JackNimble61
Christ's church? You mean the one rarely spoke of in mormonism who in time you can be equal to provided you follow all the mormon commandments, and who didn't die so you can be saved but only resurrected? That guy? Yes, it's really hard to tell the difference, especially when your temple rituals were borrowed from freemasons. That's when it's really hard.
truthseeker1973 5 months ago
@truthseeker1973 I can see from your comments about Christ's church that you are not describing the LDS church because we DO believe that Jesus Christ died on the cross and then rose again (RESURRECTED) on the third day. We all will be resurrected eventually. You never read your Bible, huh? So you think since you know so little about the LDS that you should create a video and display that ignorance to the world? Good plan, Einstein!
JackNimble61 5 months ago
@truthseeker1973 Your Freemason claim has also already been debunked so you may want to rethink how you wish to act so UN-Christ-like towards an entire religion and its people Most Masons I know act more Christian than you've displayed here.
JackNimble61 5 months ago
@JackNimble61
Jack! You're the shining example of what 'Christ like' should be! I can tell you, it's not hard to find someone who knows how to behave better than I do. I am a wretch, desperately in need of saving grace yes. What I have to offer of my own is pathetic at best.
truthseeker1973 5 months ago
@truthseeker1973 You right in that you ARE a wretch. You shouldn't willingly be one or seek it out as you do now, though.
JackNimble61 5 months ago
@JackNimble61
Jack you are so right! I should seek to shed my wretchedness, so that my righteousness can shine through as yours does. You are definitely one of the few examples we can all look up to. One day Jack.....One day....
truthseeker1973 5 months ago
@truthseeker1973 I am also correct when I say you should change your nickname here as well because you most assuredly do not seek truth.
JackNimble61 5 months ago
@JackNimble61
Every non-Christian in the world would agree with you Jack.
truthseeker1973 5 months ago
@truthseeker1973 You're proving me right.
JackNimble61 5 months ago
@JackNimble61
You should really should try something different than ad hominem attacks. As fun as it's been, it really does show a lack of argument. Maybe you could prove something false in these videos.
truthseeker1973 5 months ago
@truthseeker1973 I use ad hominem attacks because you are so familiar with them that I would talk to you the way you talk to LDS. You're not a "truthseeker". If you were, you'd be learning and studying instead of running your mouth about things you have no comprehension about.
JackNimble61 5 months ago
@JackNimble61
Nice excuse jack, as far as the ad hominem attacks ;) I know mormonism very well, and your doctrine. Study your own doctrine you old fart ;) or do I need to remind you about the legalism (articles of faith) that mormonism teaches? Why did Christ die on the cross? Give me the old version or the revamped 'Christian' sounding one, either will work. You're going to have to do better than the 'freemason claim was debunked'.
truthseeker1973 5 months ago
@truthseeker1973 I don't have to do better than your freemason garbage debunked. Debunked is debunked. You're spreading lies, plain and simple. That's what you're doing, "lying for Christ". So be it. You're the one that's going to have to answer for it, not me. And if you knew more about the LDS religion, you be a Mormon. All you have is hate. But don't worry, you temple ordinances will be done for you.
JackNimble61 5 months ago
@JackNimble61
The mormon church is a destructive church, I was amember for 20 years and seen its lies for what they were in their own books, GREAT job on the video!
SBKinsella 4 months ago
@SBKinsella Why did you throw away your future? Very sad.
JackNimble61 4 months ago
@SBKinsella I hope you're a member of a Bible based Christian Church now??
bodom71 4 months ago
@bodom71
No i am now an Athiest, I studied religion hard core after leaving mormonism and found that god is a myth only.
SBKinsella 4 months ago
@SBKinsella u know its interesting that a LOT of ex mormons do become atheist. why do u think that is??
shasanni 3 months ago
@shasanni
It is because ex-Mormons are traumatized by their experience in Mormonism. Most people who are Mormons were raised Mormon because Mormonism does not convert & retain many people. When most ex-Mormons leave Mormonism they do not have an understanding of other religions. In fact they have the distorted image that Mormonism put in their minds about them. They conclude that if Mormonism is not true then God does not exist. They do not give other religions a chance due to past experience.
isthechurchtrue 3 months ago 2
@ricksta65 apology accepted
jferristube 6 months ago
@ricksta65 Grouping every religious person (which is most of the earth) as warmongering and haters shows me ignorance on your part. Not religion's.
Dudethatlikes 6 months ago
@ricksta65
I ended up the opposite, sort of. I used to take the whole truth movement more serious, trying to let people know how bad their getting screwed, but then I heard someone say once we have the government we deserve, and albeit efforts from guys like Alex Jones, it will go no where. Man can do nothing without God. I decided to stick with the truth that matters 100x more, the saving gospel. We're all going to die eventually. My kingdom is not of this world, let the elite creeps have it.
truthseeker1973 7 months ago
1)your jesus is brother to lucifer. Christian's Jesus is his creator. 2)your jesus is exalted man. Christian's Jesus is God Himself 3)your jesus born of virgin birth but impregnated by immortal man. Christian's Jesus - God incarnate begotten of the Holy Spirit 4)your god attained his "godhood" Christian's God has always been God. 5)your jesus' blood doesn't cover all sins. Christian's Jesus' blood covers ALL sin. - Your beliefs are in direct contradiction with the Word of God
badgarcia 7 months ago
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Dudethatlikes 7 months ago
I am a Member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Former Day Saints.
We have the true Gospel, the REAL good news.
I was Saved, Born Again Spiritually, Forgiven, Redeemed, Converted, Adopted, Blessed, Lifted Up, Given Eternal Hope and Eternal Security 20 years before I ever heard of Joseph Smith.
1 Peter 1:23
"For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God"
I don't need Joseph, never did.
hammerogod 7 months ago
@hammerogod
thats good for you brother. Im happy for you.Sincerely. And this may come as a surprise but he dosnt need you eithr.We all just need the Saviour.His gospel and His atoning sacrifice.
We believe and allow all men to worship what where or how they may.Christ offerd All mankind the very same choice.And He did it without judgmnt or redicule.After all He came knowing His sheep.Who they were just as they knew who He was.All good.
jferristube 6 months ago
@jferristube
What is your point in here anyway? Are you hoping that I or someone else will come to the same conclusion as you? If so (this is critical), why?
truthseeker1973 6 months ago
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hammerogod 7 months ago
I was born in ST Lake most Mormon people are wounderful people but the religion they follow is feared due to it being a cult and proven false by many documents of the time it was written/founded.
rbratdad 9 months ago
@rbratdad Oh wow, I had no idea! Thank you, "rbratdad" of the Internet, for taking time out to tell us that the Mormon church of which I have been a member for over 30 years has been proven false. I shall pass this along to my bishop, who will tell the other leaders of the church. I'm sure they had no idea, either!! Wow, we sure learn alot from Internet people!
cindybin2001 7 months ago
@cindybin2001
hahaha lol Well said
jferristube 6 months ago
Why does Smith says that the Book of Mormon was spoken to him word for word if its the same as the King James Version of the Bible 1600's
that makes him lier that he just made a HUGE story up
and got millions of people to believe it
LaneWalkerz 9 months ago
why do people gotta hate on the mormons- I mean they are the most successful and financially stable organisation- probably one of the more wealthy churches.. there must be a reason they are so rich?
marcus1winter 10 months ago
@marcus1winter
Christians that witness to mormons aren't doing it out of hatred but rather love. We are trying to get them to realize they are deceived and following a gospel that doesn't save. Oprah is probably the wealthiest woman alive. Should we follow her false gospel? What does it profit a man to gain the world, but lose his soul.
truthseeker1973 10 months ago
@truthseeker1973 I live in NZ and the Mormon church here recently provided great assistance with the Christchurch Earthquake, man they are quite prepared for natural disasters of the sort and are encouraged to have food storage- also theyve assist Red Cross- they just seem to know what to do in major emergencies - not only for themselves but for the wider commuinities...I commend them for thier releif efforts...
marcus1winter 7 months ago
@marcus1winter
Marcus, mormonism has one of the greatest PR machines in history, and although anyone should be commended for relief efforts, I don't believe their intentions are as it seems on the surface. Mormonism uses "feel good" tactics to draw in converts. It is "truth" by inspiration rather than truth by verification. Truth by inspiration = deception.
truthseeker1973 7 months ago
@truthseeker1973How does your religion draw in converts my frend.Do not people feel good about the gospel when they hear it helping one to convertion?Judge not that ye be not judged etc. And are you saying that a knowledge of truth is not brought about by inspiration from the Holy Ghost but by "verification" alone?And what is Faith?It does not need verification by fact but by inspiration.Its service to our fellowmen my frend.Let your light shine,Yu mite read the Good Samaritan story as well.
jferristube 6 months ago
@jferristube
My religion doesn't draw in converts, the spirit does. In mormonism it is the cart before the horse. All true believers experience positive emotion from the gospel, but that isn't where their conviction first came from. They know truth lies in the word, and it teaches we are saved by grace alone. Mormonism teaches a different gospel, and then says if you receive positive emotion from it, it must be true. The Bible says our hearts deceive above all, and fools listen to it.
truthseeker1973 6 months ago
@truthseeker1973 Yes truth is in the word but conviction of that word doent come from just reedn it.It comes from the Holy Ghost that teachs All truth.You said yur religion/truth is based on facts not on "emotion" but evidence.Now your saying the spirit does.That is the foundation of LDS.We know that confirmation comes from the Holy Ghost.You have changed your story brother.How did Peter know the Christ?Bcos father in Heaven revealed it to him by the rock of revelation.Spirit speaking to spirit.
jferristube 6 months ago
@jferristube
The Bible says anyone who contradicts the word has no light in them. They do not have the spirit. What you refer to as the spirit, I refer to as emotion/desire. You are confusing the two. Those who prefer truth, value evidence. The evidence shows your religion is a collection of borrowed ideas, and the BOM is fiction. jferri, you follow your desire for truth. Only YOUR truth is what is important to you.
truthseeker1973 6 months ago
@truthseeker1973 So the HG or Holy Spirit dosnt count?Yurs is a fact based religion.Your Christ is a Fact based Christ.Good on you.
jferristube 6 months ago
@jferristube
What are you trying to say jferri? That the Spirit and facts are two separate things? In Mormonism of course they are because facts don't support it, but yet if someone who was fact based wanted it for Biblical Christianity there is a plethora of fact there. According to the Bible the spirit enters a person who becomes a true believer, resulting in their new creation, and now part of God's family.
truthseeker1973 6 months ago
@truthseeker1973 hahaha 2nd time yuv calld me jferri lol.Stop it yull hav me in tears soon.Once again.The spirit or Holy ghost will confirm the truth of "Facts" to any who seek Him.just as Christ promised.Let me explain truthseeker. Go back and reread all Ive said.Figure it out for yourself.Your superior intellect has not managed to get itself around things yet has it and Im notgonnakeepexplainingthesame Basics to you Over n Over again okay.Your boring me now.Pls go away truthseeker hahahaha :D
jferristube 6 months ago
@truthseeker1973
are you sure yur not some snot nosed pimple faced teenager tryin to act like yur som kind of Biblical scholar/Professor on this forum.Letme tellya...it aint workin buddy?hahahaha :D
jferristube 6 months ago
@jferristube What I'm not is a teenager, a Biblical scholar/Professor, and certainly not someone with a superior intellect. What I am is a wretch who needs the saving gospel, a dumb ass, and someone who cares you and every Mormon understands the Biblical saving gospel of grace, and not added to as many cults do. Sorry I am too boring for you.
truthseeker1973 6 months ago
@jferristube
I can tell you one thing for sure, the Spirit would never contradict the word of God (Bible), that is verify-ably exactly what it claims to be.
truthseeker1973 6 months ago
@jferristube
Faith most definitely comes from verification. When people see the work of God happen in their lives, it creates faith. The Bible says by reading it you gain faith. You have faith the sun will come up every morning. Why? Because all your life so far it has. Most of my faith comes from understanding and knowing his word more.
truthseeker1973 6 months ago
@truthseeker1973
Awesome But yu said faith comes from the word in and of itself and does not need the spirit.Isnt confirmation thru the spirit(Holy Ghost) confirmation of truth.After all what factual evidence is ther that the gospel is indeed fact ie all the evidence in the world is nothing without conviction of the rock of revelation.And whose interpretation or sect has the corrct interpretation of scripture?Christianity is a House divided...
jferristube 6 months ago
@truthseeker1973 Faith is of things unseen and of the Spirit n dosnt need verification or factual evidence.Nothing Christ did or said was based on fact or evidenc of things "Seen"but on faith of things "Unseen" Christ said he wud send the Holy Ghost to teach us truth of all things.Acording to you all we need do is read the word.It will teach us in and of itself.Then why are ther countless interpretations of the same scripture from all sects?A house divided against itself does not/will not stand.
jferristube 6 months ago
@truthseeker1973 Scripture says Faith preceeds the miracle frend. Christ healed those who had Faith First.Miracles never preceed faith in scripture.Thats like saying.Show me a miracle (works of god) then I'll have faith.What did Christ say of those who seek for signs.NB.Most saw His miracles then accused him of bein of the devil etc n crucified Him.You will not see gods work evn tho they be ther(atheists) if you do not first have belief or Faith in him.Yur the one puttn the cart b4 the horse
jferristube 6 months ago
@truthseeker1973If you can say that of Mormons youd have to say the same of all charity from all Sects including yours.Or perhaps yurs does not indulge in such Christian behavior.
jferristube 6 months ago
@marcus1winter
Mathew 6:2
“So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. 3 But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, 4 so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
truthseeker1973 7 months ago
@truthseeker1973 thats exactly the point- all their acts are done anonymously- Ive never seen them holding big fat cheques shaking hands in front on the tv saying "hey look at us"- in fact the world hardly knows the releif efforts the church provides! Definately when it comes to natural disasters - those blinkn mormons are somewat prepared...they can have their religion-But Ill know who to look for when I'm hungry!!
marcus1winter 6 months ago
@marcus1winter
They are very prepared. Food and water storage are a BIG thing among mormons too. But yet there is very little to NO faith the god they believe in has any control either trust me I am around mormons every day. The mormon religion is nothing more than humanism.
truthseeker1973 6 months ago
@truthseeker1973 Hey pretty good point...mormons dont have faith in god.But the fact that theyr able to bring relief to humantarium causes worldwide.Often the first on the scene.Makes them faithless in god and just "humanism" Or cud it be being just plain good christians and being more than just hearers of the word but doers also.I think it is more than "humanism" my frend.Someone has to do the Lords work both temporal and of corse.Spiritual,And anyway isnt faith without works dead?just a thort.
jferristube 6 months ago
@jferristube
They can't be good Christians, because mormonism isn't Christian. They certainly can be 'good' anyway, by human standards. What it really boils down to jferristube is are you lead by your own heart (desires, feelings, inspiration) or lead by a testable spirit of truth. I tend to wonder if you are indeed mormon yourself.
truthseeker1973 6 months ago
@truthseeker1973 Of corse Im moromon.We follow Christs teachings.We know He is our Savior and accept Him as such.And we do certainly believe on His name.Thats all I need to do to be a Christian isnt it? Yur judgmnt dosnt sound very Christian. Neithr does all the condemning of LDS on this forum (coming from professed christians) seem very christian or Christ like to me but i cud be wrong.Am I missn somthn here.Sincerely
jferristube 6 months ago
@jferristube
I condemn LDS because it is a different Jesus, different spirit, and a different gospel as Paul warned against. God did not command us to tithe. You are referring to an OT concept that was addressed to Jews, and yes, you need to tithe for an LDS temple recommend, which is also required for the celestial kingdom and to be with god. You do a good job of convincing yourself, you don't need to do it in here my friend.
truthseeker1973 6 months ago
@truthseeker1973 christian religions all teach a diffrent Jesus and doctrines from each othr as they all teach diffrnt interpretation of scripture.Theyre all divided against each other.Who has the true gospel or interpretation?Catholic.Prespytarian.Baptist.Sthrn Baptist.Methodist?Church of England?KKK?So the OT dosnt count?Why?Cos it was for the Jewsand only them.So you dont pay tithes in your church?Perhaps you dont have churchs to meet in.You dont help the poor and needy as we do thru tithes?
jferristube 6 months ago
@jferristube
..."christian religions all teach a diffrent Jesus"..."and doctrines from each othr as they all teach diffrnt interpretation of scripture"...
Or that's what you have been taught.
I challenge you to find a difference between the Baptists and the Methodists (or any mainstream Christian denomination) when it comes to the "Identity" of Jesus or the core Doctrines regarding Salvation.
Mormonism, Buddahism, Shintoism and Islam all agree on Jesus though.
They all make Him less.
hammerogod 6 months ago
@hammerogod Dont need to but okay.Method of Baptism. No need of baptise.Baptism by immersion.Gravn images.That theyr all divided on any or just1 point of doctrine is enuff.Yur sayn not all scripture counts. You can change distort add or take away scripture.Funny those who counsel LDS on Christ and scripture accuse us of the very things they themselves r guilty of.Paul said.."anything more or less"Im sure he ment what Christ ment. All that proceedth out of the mouth of God.Preach none other.
jferristube 6 months ago
@jferristube
I don't know of any Denomination that doesn't require Baptism.
No Protestant Denomination has any "Graven" images.
ALL Denominations believe that Salvation is through Grace..a free gift of God. ("Works" come after we receive the Holy Spirit or they mean NOTHING).
ALL Denominations believe that Jesus paid the FULL price for Sin on the Cross. (we must Repent and Obey, but the Work of "Salvation" is already done).
And Joseph did add a whole book and more.
3/4 of the "Quad" in fact.
hammerogod 6 months ago
@hammerogod yes He did pay the full price.Agreed.Yull find ther r those who say baptism by water isnt necessary.And yes Smith did bring the BoM but he didnt add or take anythin from the Bible.The BoM is anothr witness of Christ divine as revealed to His prophets nd His children in the Americas.He visited them ther and gav them His Gospel also.Why wudnt He?Biblicly He said He had sheep of anothr fold He had to visit also of theHouse of Israel.That ther wud be one fold n one Shepherd.Simple.
jferristube 6 months ago
@jferristube
Mormon doctrine has not and does not view Christ as the savior. Mormonism insisting it's Christian and believe in Christ as their savior are just the latest conversion tools, because the old ones are becoming less effective. I could always quote your earlier prophets who focus on works, or even your articles of faith. If you truly believed Christ died for you and salvation was by grace alone, you would have no reason to be mormon.
truthseeker1973 6 months ago
@truthseeker1973
We Know he died for us and hav always taught that All mankind are saved bcos of Christs atonmnt. ALL Men (1Pet 3:18-21) will be saved.Saved from death.Wethr yu blieve in Christ or not.To return and liv with him(exaltation) we must follow him and do as He does and as He commands.If you need to say what mormons blieve pls know and tell the truth of what we teach and what we believe. Truth is important...
jferristube 6 months ago
@truthseeker1973 So yur saying ur god doesnt teach you to prepare?If so you dont follow your own Bible by yur very statemnt against us.How did Noah prepare my frend or Joshua against Jericho.Christ for His crucifxion?Heeps of xamples.Faith without works is dead.God expects us to do our part.We show our faith in Him by obedience to His command.Why did He give the command to pay tithes.God does not need our tithes.His commands are for our benefit not His.God in mormonism Is in control brother.
jferristube 6 months ago
@truthseeker1973 And yes thats exactly the way mormons are with ther acts of charity.No fanfare.No trumpet.No hypocracy.They give in secret without reward for Charity to ther fellowman regardless of race color or creed and the pure love of Christ.If done to draw in converts as yu say we wud shout from the rooftops for converts.Kinda makes yur argumnt against us and our motives look very un Christian to me.But I cud be wrong.You mite wanna rethink your judgmnt my brother. Just saying...
jferristube 6 months ago
@jferristube
My judgement means nothing. The word of God and the saving gospel therein are what matter. Nothing else. If a group chooses to teach contrary, then they have my attention, good deeds or not. My motivation is for the sake of saving souls. The truth isn't for everyone. There are many who would rather follow their own ideals.
truthseeker1973 6 months ago
@truthseeker1973 All of a sudden yur judgmnt of us means nothn?I think not. Careful my truthseeker brother. Christ said "judge not" Remembr? The Lord said those who dig a "Pit" will fall into it themselves.Our judgemnts will come back to either condemn us or to justify us.We both know that. At least we as LDS do.The Lord warns us to Not go about judging a brother to just flagrantly dismiss at our whim without consequence my Truthseeker brother.Our words will eithr condemn or justify us.Simple.
jferristube 6 months ago
@marcus1winter
Don't doubt for a second such acts are actually viewed as an investment. The mormon church knows a great deal about investments, they are a very business minded religion. How many, especially from New Zealand were equally impressed?
truthseeker1973 7 months ago
@truthseeker1973 All Churchs on the planet have a business side to them.Thruought Bible history Israel were successful also in things temporal and prospered in the land and against ther enemies bcos God was ther Lead.Your rite.The LDS Church is very successful today also with bizness bcos Christ is at its Head.But I gotta say.LDS are the only church that does not require its members to pay fees/money to"clergy" to administer ordinances of salvation as is the case in all othrs.
jferristube 6 months ago
@truthseeker1973 Oh yes you are so right.We do look upon it as an investmnt.It is as Christ said... "lay up for yourself treasures in Heaven wher dust n moth do not corrupt neithr thieves break in to steal" Thank you for your very good point.Never wud hav thought of it myself.Thank you brother.Church biznessminded???
jferristube 6 months ago
@marcus1winter
..."why do people gotta hate on the mormons"...
"I have more to boast of than ever any man had"
Joseph Smith ~ History of the Church, vol. 6, p. 408-409
"lest any man should boast"
God ~ Ephesians 2:9
meg·a·lo·ma·nia:
"a delusional mental disorder that is marked by feelings of personal omnipotence and grandeur"
Need I say more?
hammerogod 7 months ago
@hammerogod I lost you..
marcus1winter 7 months ago
@marcus1winter
My comment is a little disjointed.
The question you asked only has one answer.
People hate on the Mormons because Joseph Smith created something that goes directly against the teachings found in the Bible.
You can't ignore that.
Joseph claimed that he had much to boast about and God said Don't Boast.
Read History of the Church, vol. 6, p. 408-409 and compare it to Ephesians 2:9.
That should be enough to convince you that Joseph suffered from a form of delusional behavior.
hammerogod 7 months ago
@hammerogod True, points taken-- so if Joseph suffered from a form of delusional behaviour and has been able to somehow create this somewhat cult of a church- big ups to this looney man- what an acheivement, and being hindered by a mental disorder of such I dont know anyone who has done anything similar on such a large scale...
marcus1winter 6 months ago
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hammerogod 6 months ago
hammerogod 6 months ago
@hammerogod I reiterate marcus' commnts. All he had to do was deny his grandios omnipotent delusional self as yu state and hed have been left alone let alone murderd bcos of his messag. But he wasnt left alone.To this day people revile him and accuse him falsely of all mannr of evil.Why hasnt he been dimissed as a nut case?Bcos he was a prophet of God called to do a divine work in these the last days.To be dilusional and to have started what he started???His mission was indeed divine.
jferristube 6 months ago
hammerogod 6 months ago
@hammerogod Yes 100s who have tried to gain those 3 things some using the Bible to do it but wher r all those men nd ther folowers now? Can you see nd kno the diffrence Hammer? And aftr all Joseph nd the erly LDS went thru.Here we still remain against all the odds all the opposition nd persecution of thos who try to discredit and destroy us.Think about it.
jferristube 6 months ago
@hammerogod Okay but why isnt he just dismissd as a nutcase and left alone?He along with hundreds of men womn nd children.Children???Yes!!!Wer murdered by supposed christians jus bcos of our bliefs.The same core attitude of persecution exists against us today.The same peopl who have that same attitude toward us wud kill us today if the environmnt justified it now as it did bak then. Christ said His followers wud suffer persecution evn unto death even as He was. A sobering thought.Think about it.
jferristube 6 months ago
@hammerogod And your point pls...He is saying that he will not boast...You do not know the man and prophet Joseph Smith
jferristube 6 months ago
@jferristube
Joseph spent his life doing things that God said not to do.
Joseph justified it by writing a book that made it ok to do those things.
Joseph got away with it by gathering a group of people around him who believed he had a revelation from God.
After Joseph died Brigham Young took those poorly informed and mostly ignorant people to Utah and dominated their every action.
Mormonism survived...barely.
13 Million Mormons on the planet.
1.85 BILLION Muslims.
1.56 BILLION Catholics.
hammerogod 6 months ago
hammerogod 6 months ago
Oliver Cowdery was NOT Joe's cousin but his third cousin. How many of your third cousins are you familiar with?
Don't get me wrong; I completely agree that the whole thing was cooked up by Cowdery, Rigdon and Pratt with Joe as the front man, but get the facts straight. It is so obviously a fraud that you do not need to strengthen your position by incorrect information. We all want the TRUTH
Jeanikins 10 months ago
@Jeanikins
Thanks for the info. Something I was unaware of. I was wondering though, is it incorrect to refer to someone as a cousin if they are a third cousin? If it is incorrect, then wouldn't it be better to refer to a first cousin as a 'first' rather than just cousin? Either way I see your point, the relationship is a lot more distant than what is implied in just 'cousin', which could actually hurt it's credibility to those who don't choose to see that is is obviously a fraud.
truthseeker1973 10 months ago
@Jeanikins Third or first may or not be relevant.. the fact remains, Jo Smiths mormonism was a family business... although Jo Smith 3rd didn't get the deal he was supposed to. If you want to learn about or meet your distant cousins.. ask your parents, auntie, uncles and grandparents to throw a party.. you'll meet family right enough.
54v115 10 months ago
Just as Jesus said ""Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.".The road to destruction is paved with good intentions no less.
The world is divided into two main groups. Those who choose to follow their desires/hearts for truth, and those who choose to follow the truth/light.
The truth is NOT truth by inspiration, but truth by verification.
truthseeker1973 10 months ago
as believers of Christ, we have the old and new testement, why do we need the book of mormon? doesnt the book of mormon add to God's word? The book of mormon is not required for salvation is it? The old & new testament was not good enough for joseph smith so he created an addition.
pwrayhi 10 months ago
@cole3454657 Actually, that practice was discountiued from the church over 100 years ago and anyone practices that today is not apart of The Church of Latter Day Saints. Also why do people go and watch videos about Mormonism just to laugh and make fun of it? Espically when you yourself are ignorant.
MegaBuzzKiller 11 months ago
I've noticed Mormons don't seem to like non-Mormons for the most part. I mean, they say they do, but then they aren't very welcoming to non-mormons. I went to prom with a mormon--big mistake. I wasn't mormon and they made me know it. Like when it was decision time I couldn't take part in the decisions. My brother was elected senior class president, but the principal let the current people elected choose who the next one would be. They chose someone else because my brother wasn't mormon.
Felegund1 11 months ago
@Felegund1 What I'm trying to say is, the Bible teaches us to love. So I don't see why the Book of Mormon has to be so screwed up that it gives mormons the okay not love when many still call themselves Christians.
Felegund1 11 months ago
This is why a VERY Loving Heavenly Father has blessed us with a 3rd Member of the Godhead..The Beloved Holy Ghost.He revealith the Truth of ALL things.You can make videos till the day you die my brother, my Testimony stands firm as a witness that The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-Day Saints IS The Saviors One True Church and The Book of Mormon is TRUE.This I learned from Above thru EARNEST&SINCERE Prayer to The Almighty in the name of His Only Begotten Son..JESUS CHRIST. NOT from man
TrickTrolan 1 year ago 24
@TrickTrolan
Did you happen to pray about the truth of the Bible first? You didn't need to pray in regards to the BOM, because the Bible already answers that for us.
2 Timothy 4:3-4
“For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires; and will turn away their ears from the truth, and will turn aside to myths.”
truthseeker1973 1 year ago
@truthseeker1973 Es que la biblia ha sido modificada por intereses lejanos a Dios y esto confunde a los hombres pues ya no es clara y entendible como Dios lo quiso, como fuera hasta que dejó de estar en las manos de los doce discípulos. Pero Dios en su misericordia dio a la luz un libro que estaba escondido y que eran de otra parte de su redil, en los dias postreros que son los actuales. Los españoles vinieron al Perú mi pais y en nombre de Dios con la biblia ejercieron mucha crueldad.
dorisfenella 11 months ago
@dorisfenella
Doris don't blame the Bible for what the Spaniards did. Anyone who has a love for the truth has no problem understanding the fundamental messages of the Bible. Most people do not love truth, and would rather be swept away by false doctrine.
2 Timothy 3:4
"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires"
truthseeker1973 11 months ago
@dorisfenella
Doris no culpo a la Biblia por lo que los españoles lo hicieron. Cualquiera que tenga un amor a la verdad no tiene ningún problema de comprensión de los mensajes fundamentales de la Biblia. La mayoría de las personas no aman la verdad, y prefieren ser arrastrados por las falsas doctrinas.
2 Timoteo 3:4
"Porque vendrá tiempo cuando no sufrirán la sana doctrina, sino que quieren que les regalen los oídos, se amontonarán maestros conforme a sus propios deseos"
truthseeker1973 11 months ago
@truthseeker1973 los españoles mataron y violaron derechos humanos en nombre de la biblia. No culpo a la biblia, la biblia original era perfecta.De hecho yo tambien amo la biblia, pero no se puede negar que es muy misteriosa y se presta a ambiguedades no en todo pero en mucho. Yo se que lo importante es ser bueno y hacer el bien sin que la religion nos divida pero yo quiero estar en la verdad y hay muchas cosas que el libro de mormón aclara y se que es justo yo lo siento así.
dorisfenella 11 months ago
@dorisfenella
Los hombres han tratado de usar la Biblia como una excusa, sí, pero nunca los verdaderos creyentes. Los españoles formaban parte de un culto también. La Biblia que tenemos ahora es muy preciso. Esto puede ser demostrado. Lo que no se puede mostrar evidencia para el Libro de Mormón. Es un libro de ficción. El mormonismo es cristiano y el politeísmo no. Usted sigue su deseo de verdad lo siento.
truthseeker1973 11 months ago
@truthseeker1973 Los cientificos concluyeron que los primeros pobladores de america provienen de Asia y allí queda Israel. Con todo respeto me gustaria saber donde puedo conseguir esa biblia precisa. Usted ha leido el libro de mormón? no tiene que contestarme si no quiere ya esto parece contención x lo q pido disculpas y solo le dejo esta pregunta:
"¿Acaso no sabéis que el testimonio de dos naciones os es un testigo de que yo soy Dios, y que me acuerdo tanto de una, como de otra nación?"
dorisfenella 11 months ago
@dorisfenella
hola, yo no sé el punto de cita de Nefi. Sí, los "indios americanos" son de Asia decente. Un James King o New King James es lo suficientemente preciso. Todas las traducciones modernas dicen lo mismo acerca de quién es Jesús y lo que se necesita para la salvación y que sólo hay un Dios en la existencia. He leído lo suficiente del Libro de Mormón. Mormonismo predica un evangelio diferente, un Jesús diferente, y un espíritu diferente. Asegúrese de que es lo que quieres.
truthseeker1973 11 months ago
@dorisfenella
Doris, por favor, traducir al Inglés con Google Traducir al responder o responder directamente a mí. Usted está llenando la sección de comentarios con un lenguaje de la mayoría de nosotros no hablamos. No me haga usted bloquea Doris: D
truthseeker1973 11 months ago
@truthseeker1973 yes this is anothr great scripture provin by scripture that ther wud indeed be a great turning away from the truth ie the Great Apostacy.Remember Catholicism was the only supposed divine authority of Christ on earth for how many hundreds of yrs b4 the reformers came along.The Bible says apostacy wud b followed by restoration of all things coming in the last days b4 His second coming.An angel bringing the Everlasting Gospel to the earth.Read it in yur Bible. One faithOne Baptism
jferristube 6 months ago