i only wonder what kind of demons are in that place. this is a place people go so they don't have to live up to any expectations of living the way God wants you to live. the UU is a place where they can go and have their faith not be disturbed. faith is believeing in something more powerful than oneself. it seems to be a place to house people who don't want to be challenged in any real way. it has no substance. its teaching people to exhalt themselves and that they are a God unto themselves
@indravideos When I first went to my UU church I was shy and uncomfortable. It took time but I found they had the same ideas I had and those that didn't share my same views gave me something to think about. I also gave them something to think about. Its great! Its great that we can develop on our path but still share connection with others.
i really like this becuz i want to be accepted with what i believe in. im catholic but i disagree with a lot of things. This respects my beliefs and allows me to explore more about them.
I don't think there's anything wrong with learning about other religions or other people's beliefs and reevaluating your own. I do think there's something wrong with gallivanting around claiming they are all true. If my truth says yours is a lie, is it still true? What foundation can a religion have when it's based solely on inclusion and blatant contradictions?
The Bible does not teach eternal punishment. God's love and mercy endures forever. Does it really endure forever or only in this life? How can it be Good News if it doesn't translate to the afterlife?
1 Timothy 4:10- This is why we work hard and continue to struggle, for our hope is in the living God, who is the Savior of all people and particularly of all believers.
This is the reason why Christians need to not sit down and we need to let over voice be heard. Stop allowing Gays and Lesbians have there say. We need to take a stand NOW!
@ekkIesia386 I'm reading a book by Rob Bell called "Love Wins". Part of its purpose, as I see it, is to highlight how Christians have held (and continue to hold) many many many many different opinions/understandings about their core beliefs, and that there isn't just one way to be a Christian. Universalism was a widely held understanding of God's Love in the early Christian church and was only made heretical by the Council of Nicaea in the 4th century A.D. Universalism is all over the Bible.
Dear brothers and sisters. Please have a look at my video 'To All The People In The World'. It gives a simple positive message about us and respecting each others religions. Thanks.
Wow, we are definitely in the last days. Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils.
@fuckmania07 Psalm 30:5 says "For his anger lasts only a moment, but his favor lasts a lifetime; weeping may remain for a night, but rejoicing comes in the morning." Doesn't sound like forever to me...and doesn't mention anything about belief in Jesus. Just sounds like "God loves you despite your mistakes" to me.
God doesn’t tolerate pluralism in religious belief. UUs are all about religious freedom, pluralism, and tolerance… Sorry but I will stick with Jesus’ teaching and the Bible. There is only One Truth.
i don't get it, i do believe there's wisdom and truth to be found in all religions, but also we found many incoherences and things we'll never know if they are either true or false, we will never know what really the truth is, even though i do believe there is a God, that's why i am an agnostic-theist. Unitarian Universalism is not even a religion at my point of view, it's more like some kind of organization.
@davlor86 it is a religion because we go to a church, have similar values and strive for a better world. It's also been around a very long time, despite what people say. 3 of the first 6 presidents of the USA were unitarians
The Bible tells us to warn the people of the coming judgment,but you folks teach don't worry,no one gets judged.Very dangerous,repent and believe the gospel.
@CBALLEN Hi. I'd recommend reading the NT in the order it was apparently actually written...The Letters of Paul, James (brother of Jesus), Timothy, Mark, Matthew, Luke.... (see Wikipedia). You'll notice something VERY interesting and you'll see why most UUs concentrate on the message, rather than concentrate on the messenger. Best regards, RouX
Justified by Grace, through Faith. Christ our Lord and Savior is the only mediator between man and God. He died for our sins so that we may live in the Grace and Salvation of our Father
A unitiarians truth or precept that they live by is that there is no truth. The truth is there is no truth. Well how do we know this statement is true if there is no truth?
@allinyourface777 The idea is to question anyone or any religion that pretends to have ALL of the truths, not to question truth itself. Truth exists, it's just that nobody owns it all.
@rdavian There is much love for god in my church. Not everybody believes in him, but most do. The ten commandments are simply a biblical story that people collectively decided were the rules. No god descended from the heavens to make these rules. Normal people made these rules and backed them up with religion. We don't believe in a set rule. Christians have such a lack of faith in mankind that they needed a god to write up their rules. No, mankind did.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE people,don't let your search be over,you are still lost.if you are going to search please don't stop half way,there is alot about the Bible that you are missing.
I have a question. Are UU's typically respectful/tolerant of the beliefs of fundamentalist religious people? (Christian, Muslim, etc.) That is, those who are not generally accepting of other "paths" and who take their holy books literally.
Some are, but then again some aren't. I at least try to be, but then there are people like my grandmother who we're raised in strict churches and don't have the patience for it anymore.
@freethinker923 Hi! UUs are religious liberals, so are probably nearer to Atheists than fundamentalists. I'm a UU Atheist, one of many in my UU church. We are tolerant of beliefs, but not tolerant of people forcing their beliefs on others, i.e. we support total separation of church and state. :-) Best regards, RouX
@SmileLoveForgive Repent or perish? Sounds like a way of scaring or threatening people into loving Jesus. Ever heard the term " You catch more flies with honey then vinegar"?
This religion is about community and acceptance. It accepts every religion and faith or people that aren't religious and are just looking for something more. This religion is simply about being a good person and helping others... really what all religions should be about.
I'm an atheist and a Unitarian Universalist. UUism has been, quite frankly, the most fulfilling experience I've ever had. It's a great feeling that even I, as an atheist, am welcomed with open arms and can be in a place where there's mutual respect for all, and how the members actually make it work. It's an unbelievable feeling.
@mathematicalbagpiper Me too! I was actually looking for a 'safe' church for my Christian wife, who had just got fleeced of £900 ($16,000) by an evangelical church. My local UU chapel in Bridgwater UK, built c.1600, made me feel SO grounded and comfortable, like I'd rediscovered some favorite old shoes. Imagine my surprise, they had NO dogma and everyone was interested in MY perspective! They were deep thinking, caring, warm-hearted liberal Christians, humanists, Buddhists and Atheists :-)
In the UU we all have to make our own journey to truth. Though you may go up the mountains and I go down the rivers. We all come together to make a better world
UU is not about what you believe but how your belief will help yourself and others. I may use my faith in God and Jesus to make my life and others lives better. But the person next to me may use their belief in Allah or in no god at all to make their life better.
I am a Deist, so obviously theres not a lot of room for me in most organized religous faiths. People like me can easily find a home with the UU faith. No matter who you are, you will be accepted.
What I enjoy about being a UU is the profound journey to find a sense of self through exploration and discovery that takes place. You are forced to really think about your daily choices and the things that we're doing on this planet to engage others and to bring peace to the world. That is an awesome thing. Also, my local congregation in Miami is simply amazing. They are sooooo active. I love my UU experience. I'm a newbie, but I'm encouraged so far. Peace & Love to ALL.
Why do UU people think it is OK to follow some of Christ's teachings and not others? It seems to me that like all false religions, UU pick and choose what they like from the Bible and disavow the rest. This makes the church the authority and not the Bible. That is heresy.
I can see where it might seem that way, but really the church doesn't either, it's up to us to individually decide what we believe. I only know a couple Unitarians who consider themselves christian.
Really, we're just overwhelmingly a "church" for humanists.
@TheRealTimfromPA It's because there can be good taken from many religions, but at the same time there are things that do not make sense to some people. This is a religion of understanding, togetherness and acceptance and not all religions are like that. This is a religion that is more based on motivational speaking that inspires people to be better and to help others as you can and be the very best person you can. All religions should aspire to that.
@stealthkiller2107 That is so unintellegent, just because we don't have belief in your god doesn't mean we arent a religion. We have our own vision of god. Do we hate Jesus? Absolutely not! We just believe Jesus was a very smart, and thoughtful man who had great ideals that changed the world. Do we believe he is holy because of this? No. The first time a man like this is around he must be the son of god? Is this because people like this are so uncommon? Christians have no faith in mankind.
@DoubleNegativ3 UU is absolutely 100% A RELIGION. You are CORRECT. The Lord Jesus Christ is a RELATIONSHIP --- Won't you try Him? You will NEVER find The Lord Jesus Christ in "religion" He does NOT abide there. And, you are CORRECT here too... No, we TRUE CHRISTIAN SERVANTS and SOLDIERS don't put our trust or faith in "mankind" we put our faith in GOD INCARNATE IN MAN -- THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD -- The Lord Jesus Christ! Humanity & "flesh" is sinful, evil and rebellious -- look around!
I don't know.This is all so confusing.I mean the Bible does say that Jesus is the Son of God,he is Emmanuel, the good sepherd,the Word who in the beginning was with God...but on the other hand it's also written that Jesus was praying to God, he confessed that his Father is greater than him etc.What is the truth?Where is the truth?Who Jesus really is?This is all so confusing, so confusing.
So many UU sites show Comment Pending Approval meaning UU is certainly into CENSORSHIP & I have been censored. UU will not tolerate ANY criticism of The Clinically Normative Ones ("mental health professionals") because so many attend UU churches, they see criticism of this CULT as a threat to their money contribution base. In NY Times May 27 1876 p6 they said women in pants were under "permanent mental hallucination" today they say similar of men in skirts. UU will not repudiate Psych CULT.
UU replaced sin concept with mental "illness" concept, yet, what is called "illness" is behavior, which is a moral enterprise. "But Judge the DISORDER made me do it" people use fake illness to escape full punishment for crime. "Mental Illness Is Like Any Other Illness" NO if true, Mental "Health" practitioners could have it also! Since only they are "qualified" to (render ACCUSATIONS, like Inquisitor/Witch Finder) naturally they don't accuse themselves! Slaves who wanted freedom were "ill"
@skirts365, Many of the comments that people try to post are deliberately hateful and offensive. Such comments are not intended to contribute to a discussion, just make others angry. For example, you are calling Unitarian Universalism a cult, in all caps, without explaining how it is a cult.
@micfishevyt There used to be Unitarian churches and Universalist churches. They merged in the early 60's and now are "Unitarian Universalist" ("UU") churches. However, some of the older churches retained their original names, such as The First Unitarian Church of Toronto or The Unitarian Society of Cleveland. They still are UU churches.
@skirts365 CPA is only used because we are child-appropriate. There is no THEY in UU. There is no boss, so UU is not a cult, it's a 500 year old protestant church. Each UU church is autonomous and can be sometimes quite different. from each other, except that they are all inclusive, non-dogmatic and non-judgmental. You would be warmly welcomed into any of our UU churches. Wear a skirt if you want :-) Best regards, RouX
@LPATWILLFILM While I allowed your comment to appear, I have to say that I do not remotely understand what you and @skirts365 are talking about and what it has to do with UUism.
Surely Jesus' message was "love thy neighbour"? Therefore, if you do that and do that well, why should God care about whatever else you may or may not believe? Believing in the supernatural doesn't make you a better person. I think any religion that gets hung up on details is just clouding the central issue. Our perceptions of the universe have changed over 2000 years. Anyone who claims to know the entire truth should read the story of the blind men and the elephant.
people who celebrate and explore all religions and human spirituality as a whole. people that believe there's wisdom to be found in all religions and a greater understanding to gain through accepted diversity. sharing journeys of spiritual growth and searches for truth and meaning.
I'm sorry you found it sad. Life is confusing, and the road to spirituality can be confusing as well.
I find it encouraging that people who are not drawn to traditional religion can have a church home. UU's strive for living a better life, and creating a better world. Ultimately, we believe it is what you do on this earth that matters. Do it well, with the seven principles in mind and find a higher meaning where you can. Doing this can be confusing, and very rewarding. Bless you.
Your version of 'truth' brn2bwild2001 is the reason so many people suffer and die all around the world. People so tied up in their beliefs they are willing to kill others in defense of what they think is the truth. I suggest you start doing more reading into religions. I am conservative. I didn't vote for Obama. None of this matters in UU. Its about living a sound fulfilled life. Feeling spiritually healthy. I really hope we as people open our minds. The only destruction I fear is man.
Because I would think that members of UU would wish the person to live a happy and productive life, bestiality would be discouraged. See when a person is capable of forming a meaningful relationship with another person, one probably would not want to have sex with a creature with whom you could not communicate with.
I have attended a UU church for about 3 months. I have even marched in support of gay pride with church members even though I am straight. I like what they stand for as far as social justice and equality for all, BUT, I think the sunday services are a little TOO oriented towards liberal social issues. It seems every sunday equality and such are pressed. I haven't joined yet because there seems to be too much emphasise placed on social issues. They are important but please not all the time.
If I take theakener7's question as literally as possible, I would say yes, you could probably still join. However, you might ask yourself what you were doing there. Why you would want to join a UU church, or most any other church for that matter, if you truly do not believe that everyone has value and that justice should prevail? Most religions have a component of justice as well as individual worth of all human beings--just some are more conditional than others.
The Unitarian Church would be a playground for idiotic Atheists to play around in. Sadly, it is expected for an Atheist to bash this church. Even though, it is peaceful and highly liberal.
I doubt they would look on beastiality with approval. Sex needs to be consensual, first and foremost, and you'd have to be somewhat deluded to think that beastiality is consensual.
How can you?!?!?! The bible clearly states otherwise and all who sit on the side of GOD hear and speak his word. Love and peace to man fine great, God and Jesus praised that, but same sex marriage, NO WAY. Please I pray you read and see the truth.
UUs do not accept the Bible as the concrete truth and word of God. If you believe that, that's fine, but one of the most important thing about UUs is that we don't believe in pushing our beliefs on others, and appreciate if you do the same. Believe what you want, but if someone else does not believe that God views gay marriage as an abomination, who are you to judge them? Who are you to speak for God?
You are a person. Unless God asked you to personally help thy Lord decide which ways were appropriate for human beings to rub their genitals together I would think it would probably be better to let God do the work alone. If God is God, no human being can ever speak for God.
I would think that most people who go to UU would want people in their communities to be happy and to live their lives to the fullest potentials. Growing to the fullest potential involves enabling the person to use their talents to leave a positive mark on the world. Generally people who are able to formulate consensual, loving relationships with other people are better at making a difference in their communities.
It is sooo liberal and does gives any answer to questions people have. Jesus said I am the truth, the way and the life and no one comes to the Father except through Me. That means that there is a truth.... there is things that are wrong,
UUs believe in a truth, we just believe in finding it on our own. The Bible provides good guidance, but so does the Tao te Ching, so do the teachings of Buddha, so does personal intuition and the conscience. Jesus said that, yes. So many other people have said the same though. It seems naive and close-minded to look at only one perspective and declare it to be true, based on millenia old second hand accounts. Don't get me wrong, we have morals, just not arbitrary ones.
I've done a lot of research about UUism and I agree 100% with the liberism and inclusion. But, most of the time when they, and other groups, speak about "justice and freedom" they are usually talking about african americans and women. Well, what about Native Americans??? Rarely are they included in the national discussion on economic justice, human rights...etc. But still, I like the UUs and plan on attending soon to check them out further.
Well the church is nice I will admit that. The people are friendly and welcoming, but I was too afraid to say anything about my beliefs. I will go again this sunday and hopefully share it with the other members as well as learn of theirs.
Hmm I do not see my comment, guess I will post again. I have been looking into the church for a while. I have lived in Baltimore for 20 years and have been searching for a Progressive Church. I consider myself a Progressive/ classical Unitarian and Universalist Christian. I plan to attend a service this Sunday and hope I am welcomed.
I idetifiy as a Progressive classical Unitarian and Universalist Christian. I have heard alot about the history of the First Unitarian church of Baltimore and I plan to go and attend a service this sunday. Hope I am welcomed.
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Me, I'm kinda heartbroken. I joined a UU church in 1996 and I have to admit that I've found it to be very hostile to belief in God. Yet, I have this thing about including gay people in the life of a church, even one that believes in God, and while the UUs rock at inclusion of gay people, they totally fall down when it comes to theistic believers. I've never been made to feel so hated just because I believe in God...
Some congregations do lean more towards humanism, others toward spirituality, including belief in God. If you feel you are being discriminated against, you should definitely bring it up with your church's leadership.
Agreed, while all UU churches are independent, they should still follow the rules of inclusivism. Bring it up to the leadership and if they still do not accept you, then find something else.
The interim period is a great time to discuss what you do and do not like about the church--especially if you feel people are, consciously or unconsciously, creating barriers that keep other people away. If your church wants to grow, it has to deal with the issue you raised.
If you read the bible, Unitarian Universalism is blasphemous to God. God consists of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. This false religion is preaching against the word of God.
More than a social club, for sure. Our church is a spiritual center, just like any other. But true that the doctrine is not all Biblical Christian, though there is some of that.
I apologize--I just deleted a couple comments by accident. One was positive, one negative to UUs. Please try to post again and I will be more careful :)
In reading up some on UU...I see links to be part of some social movements like the campaign to end the death penalty..which is right under links for planned parenthood who contributes to the death of millions of (potential) life.. if UU ideas are to be respectful of life (Human beings, animals, the Earth..). Why would the forming life in womb be any different. I have a huge problem with understanding this conflict. Please explain?
There are some pro-life UUs out there. However, you are right that it is common (UU or not) for people to be against the death penalty and for legalized abortion. Not enough space here to explain completely, but it does make sense. For instance, you can argue that making abortion illegal will just create more suffering and poor health conditions by driving it underground. There are better was of reducing abortion, like preventing unwanted pregnancies to begin with.
Okay. I can see that. I completely agree with your last point. Lets be logical- we care about life. We care about our beautiful earth. We care about human suffering. We want to nurture potential life of plants, animals.. why would the potential for human life EVER be any different?! This doesnt make sense. You are right, lets prevent the pregnancy to begin with! But if it does happen.. lets do ALL possible to preserve that life and see it given a chance to succeed. Even without that mother...
lindseytabb, this debate is older than I am, and I appreciate your willingness to engage in it civilly. We obviously won't settle it here. One aspect of the dispute is when exactly life begins. 2 cells? 20? Each person needs to decide that on their own. Then there is the life and health of the mother to consider. More lives may be at risk from unsafe abortions if they were illegal. We actually had a sermon once at our church from a pro-life perspective--not all UUs agree on this.
got it. it just makes my heart ill..and this is coming from someone who was faced with that decision when I was 18. With such a compassionate seeking community as UU's seem to be- I cant imagine the justification. I know it isnt overall but when the church has statements and links to be part of particular movements...it gives the impression that it is a widely accepted and passionate movement- to support abortion. Lets encourage.lets love and lets support all life. Present and potential-
UU has no creed and doesn't tell it's members you have to believe in something. Planned Parenthood is not an abortion clinic. While some UU's might support PP, not all do. There is no creed, and not set beliefs. We are free to choose our beliefs and think for ourselves.
Well, I can only speak for myself, but I would explain it like this. UUs see the world through modern eyes and their view has been shaped by science, technology, philosophy, psychology, etc. Because of this ... the fetus is understood to be simply a collection of cells...later in the pregnancy those cells develop into a viable human being, but in the first stages of pregnancy, and certainly in terms of conception, it's a clump of cells.
The same for myself and Seventh-Day Adventism 9although I chose to be baptised). There are some things I do believe, more that I don't. While there is no lee-way for me to search openly within the SDA denomination, I have that necessary freedom within U.U. I still attend SDA churches/programs and conventions, because I continue to get something out of them, likewise, I get what I need out of U.U too, and they accept me and my unique journey.
What happens when UU people die? What do they believe will happen?
Since everyone is so tolerant of other people, how do they know right from wrong? My moral standards could be different from another UU member. This moral relativism can be very destructive...
So can anyone actually tell me what they personally believe? Or are the worldviews and spiritualities so absolutely vague that no one actually knows what they are talking about? I'm not trying to be argumentative, but it seems to me that no one actually knows what they believe. Except they believe in world peace and loving each other. Which is fine, but it's not really deep.
The UU Congregation in Berkeley rules! I only go once in a while since I don't live in Berkeley, but it's really nice and welcoming. I think it's really great that they have a group that meets for many different kinds of beliefs. Even for atheists, a group I may attend one day, when I'm a bit older.
I see the church as more of a humanitarian community of different people than a religion.
From what I gather, it's a group of people with different faiths, who find their own beliefs. It doesn't have a set belief system, yet expresses the need to respect nature and find your own conclusions.
"Believe" is not the operational term. As a UU I prefer to say "I think," and enjoy the community of others who are willing to think. this takes courage and willingness to move beyond what I've been told that does not resonate with my experience. Religion means to re-align one's deepest self with the diverse realities of life.
You can meet people of all ages in conservative evangelical congregations, too. As for 'different beliefs and sexualities' ... diversity isn't an absolute virtue, and even you'd agree to that. You wouldn't want a congregation with 'diverse' beliefs about murder, incest, or drug dealing. UU is the conjunction of 2 Christian heresies. Have you ever examined the relevant portions of the Bible and asked yourself if you can mount a plausible case for either?
If you read the seven principles that are the foundation of our religion, it would be clear that "murder, incest, and drug dealing" are not part of the diversity we encourage.
Since UU's draw from ANY faith tradition, they are not encumbered by a political notion such as "heresy". Nor do UU leaders fancy themselves qualified to condemn non-believers. That is absolutely NOT what Jesus of Nazareth taught. UU's do not tolerate any BEHAVIOR, we tolerate any BELIEF. Even yours. But we WILL challenge you to make sense out of it, and using it as an excuse to attack someone else. That is also contrary to the teachings of your Leader and your implication of "relevant".
i only wonder what kind of demons are in that place. this is a place people go so they don't have to live up to any expectations of living the way God wants you to live. the UU is a place where they can go and have their faith not be disturbed. faith is believeing in something more powerful than oneself. it seems to be a place to house people who don't want to be challenged in any real way. it has no substance. its teaching people to exhalt themselves and that they are a God unto themselves
Ijustwannabe20 1 month ago
@Ijustwannabe20 you clearly don't understand what universalism is then.
xhemexx 1 month ago
You're a Unitarian Universalist because this is the devil's world, and that is how he thinks..
knowwaie 2 months ago
Have u lied? Have u stolen? Jesus said if you look at a woman with lust you have committed adultery with her in your heart. have u done that?
If God judge’s u by the Ten Commandments will u be innocent or guilty? Heaven or Hell? Does this concern you?
Do u need a Savior from your sins?
Jesus (The Son of God)came, lived a sinless life, died on the cross (for our sins) and rose again on the third day.
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Oh okay, thanks.
noca72 4 months ago
Acceptance is all I get out of this. I am still looking for something that'll really draw me in. I am still not convinced on why I should go there.
indravideos 4 months ago
@indravideos As with any church, you would have to go to one and try it out a couple times to really get a sense if you belong there.
rudywaltz 4 months ago
And every church is a little different, especially where UUs are concerned.
rudywaltz 4 months ago
@indravideos When I first went to my UU church I was shy and uncomfortable. It took time but I found they had the same ideas I had and those that didn't share my same views gave me something to think about. I also gave them something to think about. Its great! Its great that we can develop on our path but still share connection with others.
Boudiga 4 months ago
@indravideos a unitarian/universalist wouldn't convince you to go.
dutrizacd 2 months ago
i really like this becuz i want to be accepted with what i believe in. im catholic but i disagree with a lot of things. This respects my beliefs and allows me to explore more about them.
ilonamonkey 4 months ago
I don't think there's anything wrong with learning about other religions or other people's beliefs and reevaluating your own. I do think there's something wrong with gallivanting around claiming they are all true. If my truth says yours is a lie, is it still true? What foundation can a religion have when it's based solely on inclusion and blatant contradictions?
noca72 4 months ago 4
@noca72 UUs do not claim that all religion is true. Closer to the opposite: no religion contains the full truth, as they all claim.
rudywaltz 4 months ago 4
a church for atheist
jayhawk88z 4 months ago
@jayhawk88z Among others.
rudywaltz 4 months ago
The Bible does not teach eternal punishment. God's love and mercy endures forever. Does it really endure forever or only in this life? How can it be Good News if it doesn't translate to the afterlife?
1 Timothy 4:10- This is why we work hard and continue to struggle, for our hope is in the living God, who is the Savior of all people and particularly of all believers.
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whatthehellbook 4 months ago
This is the reason why Christians need to not sit down and we need to let over voice be heard. Stop allowing Gays and Lesbians have there say. We need to take a stand NOW!
marcburcham 5 months ago
sounds nice,....the club for people without a club
robertmck12 6 months ago
I remember in 2007 when 360p hadn't been invented yet
Nazrapaz 7 months ago
@Nazrapaz Yes, what primitive times those were ;-) Now, my iphone shoots better video than this.
rudywaltz 7 months ago
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2222pauline 7 months ago
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2222pauline 7 months ago
universalism is heresy and the bible doesn't teach it.
ekkIesia386 7 months ago
@ekkIesia386 I'm reading a book by Rob Bell called "Love Wins". Part of its purpose, as I see it, is to highlight how Christians have held (and continue to hold) many many many many different opinions/understandings about their core beliefs, and that there isn't just one way to be a Christian. Universalism was a widely held understanding of God's Love in the early Christian church and was only made heretical by the Council of Nicaea in the 4th century A.D. Universalism is all over the Bible.
ALHAJ79 3 months ago
@ekkIesia386 So what is right? Catholic? Protestant? Baptist? Pentecostal?
TheHollerwood 3 months ago
Dear brothers and sisters. Please have a look at my video 'To All The People In The World'. It gives a simple positive message about us and respecting each others religions. Thanks.
royalsteven 7 months ago
Wow, we are definitely in the last days. Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils.
magneticmoneymore 8 months ago
@magneticmoneymore I find that to be interesting because Unitarians have been around for centuries.
cosmicviewer477 7 months ago
"BELIEVE ONLY IN JESUS BEFORE TOO LATE " OR "BURN IN HELL FOREVER"
fuckmania07 8 months ago
@fuckmania07 Psalm 30:5 says "For his anger lasts only a moment, but his favor lasts a lifetime; weeping may remain for a night, but rejoicing comes in the morning." Doesn't sound like forever to me...and doesn't mention anything about belief in Jesus. Just sounds like "God loves you despite your mistakes" to me.
ALHAJ79 3 months ago
Is the Universal Sufi very popular in Unitarian churchs.
brightwhitelight1 9 months ago
God doesn’t tolerate pluralism in religious belief. UUs are all about religious freedom, pluralism, and tolerance… Sorry but I will stick with Jesus’ teaching and the Bible. There is only One Truth.
hulugal 9 months ago
@hulugal
There is only One Truth...
In your opinion.
Treemeadow 8 months ago
Its okay to say you are looking for the truth and searching for it just so long as you dont claim to have found any.
MaxamillianArturo 10 months ago
what do you worship?
Sallyyeahyeah 10 months ago
Jesus christ is way, truth, and life. He is salvation for mankind. One of my friends were from UU before, good person. He needed Jesus.
bass109 1 year ago
ok
MrMetalhamer1 1 year ago
Sounds too liberal and open.
MrRedeyedemon 1 year ago
@MrRedeyedemon
What is wrong with being liberal?
TombKaios 8 months ago
i don't get it, i do believe there's wisdom and truth to be found in all religions, but also we found many incoherences and things we'll never know if they are either true or false, we will never know what really the truth is, even though i do believe there is a God, that's why i am an agnostic-theist. Unitarian Universalism is not even a religion at my point of view, it's more like some kind of organization.
davlor86 1 year ago
@davlor86 it is a religion because we go to a church, have similar values and strive for a better world. It's also been around a very long time, despite what people say. 3 of the first 6 presidents of the USA were unitarians
iamwerido 1 year ago
I think attending one of these services would fascinating
homsar678 1 year ago
The Bible tells us to warn the people of the coming judgment,but you folks teach don't worry,no one gets judged.Very dangerous,repent and believe the gospel.
CBALLEN 1 year ago
@CBALLEN what is being judged ? why would UUs be doing something against god ?
LoveKingArthur 1 year ago
@CBALLEN Hi. I'd recommend reading the NT in the order it was apparently actually written...The Letters of Paul, James (brother of Jesus), Timothy, Mark, Matthew, Luke.... (see Wikipedia). You'll notice something VERY interesting and you'll see why most UUs concentrate on the message, rather than concentrate on the messenger. Best regards, RouX
MrRouXRenard 1 year ago 2
:) Such peace
oOKdLuvsOo 1 year ago
Justified by Grace, through Faith. Christ our Lord and Savior is the only mediator between man and God. He died for our sins so that we may live in the Grace and Salvation of our Father
SGDellinger 1 year ago
@SGDellinger and you will continue to use Jesus as a rationalization for your sin? A very dangerous path.
DoubleNegativ3 8 months ago
every truth is not The Truth
darkmagus64 1 year ago
@darkmagus64 And no one has "The Truth" in its entirely...as we are, each and every one of us, limited in our capacity to fully comprehend Godness.
ALHAJ79 3 months ago
A unitiarians truth or precept that they live by is that there is no truth. The truth is there is no truth. Well how do we know this statement is true if there is no truth?
allinyourface777 1 year ago
@allinyourface777 The idea is to question anyone or any religion that pretends to have ALL of the truths, not to question truth itself. Truth exists, it's just that nobody owns it all.
rudywaltz 1 year ago 17
@rudywaltz WOW RUDY!!!!! well said!!!!
BLESS
jacqsprat44 1 year ago
@rudywaltz
Jesus Christ said that HE is truth. Followers of Jesus own truth.
GoldenbanjoDJ 9 months ago
@allinyourface777 There is truth.
People just don't want to expect it.
dicuss1567 1 year ago
there is no love for God in UU if they did they would keep his commandments.this is the new world religion that is being pushed.
rdavian 1 year ago
@rdavian There is much love for god in my church. Not everybody believes in him, but most do. The ten commandments are simply a biblical story that people collectively decided were the rules. No god descended from the heavens to make these rules. Normal people made these rules and backed them up with religion. We don't believe in a set rule. Christians have such a lack of faith in mankind that they needed a god to write up their rules. No, mankind did.
DoubleNegativ3 8 months ago 2
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE people,don't let your search be over,you are still lost.if you are going to search please don't stop half way,there is alot about the Bible that you are missing.
karoslif 1 year ago
Because submitting to Jesus Christ will mean NO MORE SIN!!!!!....AND PP LOVE THEIR SIN.
nachis3 1 year ago
uu is the best religion!!
angryscottishdude 1 year ago
I have a question. Are UU's typically respectful/tolerant of the beliefs of fundamentalist religious people? (Christian, Muslim, etc.) That is, those who are not generally accepting of other "paths" and who take their holy books literally.
freethinker923 1 year ago
@freethinker923
Some are, but then again some aren't. I at least try to be, but then there are people like my grandmother who we're raised in strict churches and don't have the patience for it anymore.
IlphaeRenegade 1 year ago
@freethinker923 Hi! UUs are religious liberals, so are probably nearer to Atheists than fundamentalists. I'm a UU Atheist, one of many in my UU church. We are tolerant of beliefs, but not tolerant of people forcing their beliefs on others, i.e. we support total separation of church and state. :-) Best regards, RouX
MrRouXRenard 1 year ago 2
Hmm. Sexual workshops? Sounds interesting... :D
freethinker923 1 year ago
UU needs to believe the gospel of Jesus Christ. Repent or Perish.
SmileLoveForgive 1 year ago
@SmileLoveForgive
the gospel of jesus is live in love
ace1059 1 year ago
@SmileLoveForgive Repent or perish? Sounds like a way of scaring or threatening people into loving Jesus. Ever heard the term " You catch more flies with honey then vinegar"?
hellodarkness84 1 year ago
@SmileLoveForgive Unfortunately there is no Gospel of Jesus Christ :-(
MrRouXRenard 1 year ago
UU is greatness!
bolillo239 1 year ago
THE DEVIL DECEIVES THE WHOLE WORLD BEWARE
faithalonein1Christ 1 year ago
This religion is about community and acceptance. It accepts every religion and faith or people that aren't religious and are just looking for something more. This religion is simply about being a good person and helping others... really what all religions should be about.
greggymcgurks 1 year ago
I'm an atheist and a Unitarian Universalist. UUism has been, quite frankly, the most fulfilling experience I've ever had. It's a great feeling that even I, as an atheist, am welcomed with open arms and can be in a place where there's mutual respect for all, and how the members actually make it work. It's an unbelievable feeling.
mathematicalbagpiper 1 year ago 2
@mathematicalbagpiper Me too! I was actually looking for a 'safe' church for my Christian wife, who had just got fleeced of £900 ($16,000) by an evangelical church. My local UU chapel in Bridgwater UK, built c.1600, made me feel SO grounded and comfortable, like I'd rediscovered some favorite old shoes. Imagine my surprise, they had NO dogma and everyone was interested in MY perspective! They were deep thinking, caring, warm-hearted liberal Christians, humanists, Buddhists and Atheists :-)
MrRouXRenard 1 year ago 6
In the UU we all have to make our own journey to truth. Though you may go up the mountains and I go down the rivers. We all come together to make a better world
bradensmagic 1 year ago 2
UU is not about what you believe but how your belief will help yourself and others. I may use my faith in God and Jesus to make my life and others lives better. But the person next to me may use their belief in Allah or in no god at all to make their life better.
bradensmagic 1 year ago
I am a Deist, so obviously theres not a lot of room for me in most organized religous faiths. People like me can easily find a home with the UU faith. No matter who you are, you will be accepted.
mutineer350 1 year ago
Is there free sex and marijuana involved? If there is I'm in.
SmoothInstigator 1 year ago
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123qth 1 year ago
What I enjoy about being a UU is the profound journey to find a sense of self through exploration and discovery that takes place. You are forced to really think about your daily choices and the things that we're doing on this planet to engage others and to bring peace to the world. That is an awesome thing. Also, my local congregation in Miami is simply amazing. They are sooooo active. I love my UU experience. I'm a newbie, but I'm encouraged so far. Peace & Love to ALL.
cosmicviewer477 1 year ago
Why do UU people think it is OK to follow some of Christ's teachings and not others? It seems to me that like all false religions, UU pick and choose what they like from the Bible and disavow the rest. This makes the church the authority and not the Bible. That is heresy.
TheRealTimfromPA 2 years ago
@TheRealTimfromPA
I can see where it might seem that way, but really the church doesn't either, it's up to us to individually decide what we believe. I only know a couple Unitarians who consider themselves christian.
Really, we're just overwhelmingly a "church" for humanists.
HowlinJay 1 year ago
@TheRealTimfromPA It's because there can be good taken from many religions, but at the same time there are things that do not make sense to some people. This is a religion of understanding, togetherness and acceptance and not all religions are like that. This is a religion that is more based on motivational speaking that inspires people to be better and to help others as you can and be the very best person you can. All religions should aspire to that.
greggymcgurks 1 year ago
The Unitarians I've met claimed you don't have to believe in God/Jesus Christ?
If this is true, I think it's very inappropriate of you guys to call yourself a religion and call your buildings "churches."
stealthkiller2107 2 years ago
@stealthkiller2107 I am Unitarian Universalist and I strongly believe in God and the teachings of Jesus :)
lightsinparis 1 year ago
@stealthkiller2107 That is so unintellegent, just because we don't have belief in your god doesn't mean we arent a religion. We have our own vision of god. Do we hate Jesus? Absolutely not! We just believe Jesus was a very smart, and thoughtful man who had great ideals that changed the world. Do we believe he is holy because of this? No. The first time a man like this is around he must be the son of god? Is this because people like this are so uncommon? Christians have no faith in mankind.
DoubleNegativ3 8 months ago
@DoubleNegativ3 UU is absolutely 100% A RELIGION. You are CORRECT. The Lord Jesus Christ is a RELATIONSHIP --- Won't you try Him? You will NEVER find The Lord Jesus Christ in "religion" He does NOT abide there. And, you are CORRECT here too... No, we TRUE CHRISTIAN SERVANTS and SOLDIERS don't put our trust or faith in "mankind" we put our faith in GOD INCARNATE IN MAN -- THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD -- The Lord Jesus Christ! Humanity & "flesh" is sinful, evil and rebellious -- look around!
LPATWILLFILM 7 months ago
I don't know.This is all so confusing.I mean the Bible does say that Jesus is the Son of God,he is Emmanuel, the good sepherd,the Word who in the beginning was with God...but on the other hand it's also written that Jesus was praying to God, he confessed that his Father is greater than him etc.What is the truth?Where is the truth?Who Jesus really is?This is all so confusing, so confusing.
0307nik 2 years ago
Only this religion of true diversity could be in America. One Love :)
InIJah 2 years ago
So many UU sites show Comment Pending Approval meaning UU is certainly into CENSORSHIP & I have been censored. UU will not tolerate ANY criticism of The Clinically Normative Ones ("mental health professionals") because so many attend UU churches, they see criticism of this CULT as a threat to their money contribution base. In NY Times May 27 1876 p6 they said women in pants were under "permanent mental hallucination" today they say similar of men in skirts. UU will not repudiate Psych CULT.
skirts365 2 years ago
UU replaced sin concept with mental "illness" concept, yet, what is called "illness" is behavior, which is a moral enterprise. "But Judge the DISORDER made me do it" people use fake illness to escape full punishment for crime. "Mental Illness Is Like Any Other Illness" NO if true, Mental "Health" practitioners could have it also! Since only they are "qualified" to (render ACCUSATIONS, like Inquisitor/Witch Finder) naturally they don't accuse themselves! Slaves who wanted freedom were "ill"
skirts365 2 years ago
Obviously, you're not being censored here, skirts365. I'm not sure what point you are making, but here it is.
rudywaltz 2 years ago 11
@skirts365 those are the crazy ones
angryscottishdude 1 year ago
@skirts365, Many of the comments that people try to post are deliberately hateful and offensive. Such comments are not intended to contribute to a discussion, just make others angry. For example, you are calling Unitarian Universalism a cult, in all caps, without explaining how it is a cult.
netmystique 1 year ago
@skirts365 UU is NOT a cult.
DracoAsh 1 year ago 2
@skirts365 1876? There was no Unitarian Universalist Association back then.
micfishevyt 1 year ago
@skirts365 There was no Unitarian Universalist Association in 1876.
micfishevyt 1 year ago
@micfishevyt There used to be Unitarian churches and Universalist churches. They merged in the early 60's and now are "Unitarian Universalist" ("UU") churches. However, some of the older churches retained their original names, such as The First Unitarian Church of Toronto or The Unitarian Society of Cleveland. They still are UU churches.
tallenuf53 8 months ago
@skirts365 I have heard the cult thing before, and when I hear this it just makes me chuckle. What is the point of even saying this?
thebolt 1 year ago
@skirts365 CPA is only used because we are child-appropriate. There is no THEY in UU. There is no boss, so UU is not a cult, it's a 500 year old protestant church. Each UU church is autonomous and can be sometimes quite different. from each other, except that they are all inclusive, non-dogmatic and non-judgmental. You would be warmly welcomed into any of our UU churches. Wear a skirt if you want :-) Best regards, RouX
MrRouXRenard 1 year ago
@skirts365 Yep!!!! And, that is how you know the UU is THE CHURCH OF THE POISON MIND!
LPATWILLFILM 7 months ago
@LPATWILLFILM While I allowed your comment to appear, I have to say that I do not remotely understand what you and @skirts365 are talking about and what it has to do with UUism.
rudywaltz 7 months ago
Surely Jesus' message was "love thy neighbour"? Therefore, if you do that and do that well, why should God care about whatever else you may or may not believe? Believing in the supernatural doesn't make you a better person. I think any religion that gets hung up on details is just clouding the central issue. Our perceptions of the universe have changed over 2000 years. Anyone who claims to know the entire truth should read the story of the blind men and the elephant.
paolox1972 2 years ago
this is sad... This religion is confusing.
louie8970 2 years ago
people who celebrate and explore all religions and human spirituality as a whole. people that believe there's wisdom to be found in all religions and a greater understanding to gain through accepted diversity. sharing journeys of spiritual growth and searches for truth and meaning.
AspiringAdventurer 2 years ago 22
Why is it confusing? It is preaching "love they neighbour". Isn't that the whole point of religion?
paolox1972 2 years ago 4
@louie; How is it sad that you are confused? It's an opportunity to learn.
MechanicalCoupling 2 years ago
I'm sorry you found it sad. Life is confusing, and the road to spirituality can be confusing as well.
I find it encouraging that people who are not drawn to traditional religion can have a church home. UU's strive for living a better life, and creating a better world. Ultimately, we believe it is what you do on this earth that matters. Do it well, with the seven principles in mind and find a higher meaning where you can. Doing this can be confusing, and very rewarding. Bless you.
Grilninox 2 years ago
if theres any religion tht teaches peace it's unitarian universaliasm
jigglyfidda125 2 years ago 30
all religions, if used correctly should teach peace
InIJah 2 years ago
@jigglyfidda125 and Quakerism!
4278snowpeas 5 months ago
i disagree with unicornianism
4096x 2 years ago
These Liberals are the ones who elected Obama and Pelosi.....Need I say more?
Through the Grace of God...Truth will always prevail....Accepting untruth as a truth will always bring destruction.
brn2bwild2001 2 years ago
Your version of 'truth' brn2bwild2001 is the reason so many people suffer and die all around the world. People so tied up in their beliefs they are willing to kill others in defense of what they think is the truth. I suggest you start doing more reading into religions. I am conservative. I didn't vote for Obama. None of this matters in UU. Its about living a sound fulfilled life. Feeling spiritually healthy. I really hope we as people open our minds. The only destruction I fear is man.
Guitarhero1000 2 years ago 5
How sad. No one comes to the Father but through Jesus Christ.
lisareynolds64 2 years ago
Because I would think that members of UU would wish the person to live a happy and productive life, bestiality would be discouraged. See when a person is capable of forming a meaningful relationship with another person, one probably would not want to have sex with a creature with whom you could not communicate with.
SmileNow2 2 years ago
I have attended a UU church for about 3 months. I have even marched in support of gay pride with church members even though I am straight. I like what they stand for as far as social justice and equality for all, BUT, I think the sunday services are a little TOO oriented towards liberal social issues. It seems every sunday equality and such are pressed. I haven't joined yet because there seems to be too much emphasise placed on social issues. They are important but please not all the time.
TroyBilt007 2 years ago
This is a very good question, somebody should answer it. As I'm not a UU i cannot.
rayyf69 2 years ago
If I take theakener7's question as literally as possible, I would say yes, you could probably still join. However, you might ask yourself what you were doing there. Why you would want to join a UU church, or most any other church for that matter, if you truly do not believe that everyone has value and that justice should prevail? Most religions have a component of justice as well as individual worth of all human beings--just some are more conditional than others.
rudywaltz 2 years ago
The Unitarian Church would be a playground for idiotic Atheists to play around in. Sadly, it is expected for an Atheist to bash this church. Even though, it is peaceful and highly liberal.
Darkgravx12 2 years ago
I'm an Atheist and have been an active UU Congregation member for 4 years. I like what they stand for and their sense of community.
I have served on the board of directors, was president for a year, and currently, I maintain the church's web site.
Keep in mind, not all Atheists think alike.
I'm not an idiot, and I'm not playing around.
mwh08111963 2 years ago
Are there many UU Christians in the Church of the Larger Fellowship or the Church of the Younger Fellowship?, Thanks.
brightwhitelight1 2 years ago
Do they allow people who engage in beastiality in their church?
LeperKing 2 years ago
I doubt they would look on beastiality with approval. Sex needs to be consensual, first and foremost, and you'd have to be somewhat deluded to think that beastiality is consensual.
rudywaltz 2 years ago
Sex is a union under god between a man and woman UNDER MARRAIGE all other sex is sin of flesh, an abomination to God
bradhorn14 2 years ago
UUs, on the whole, DO take a strong stance on the side of love, and strongly support same-sex marriages.
rudywaltz 2 years ago 4
How can you?!?!?! The bible clearly states otherwise and all who sit on the side of GOD hear and speak his word. Love and peace to man fine great, God and Jesus praised that, but same sex marriage, NO WAY. Please I pray you read and see the truth.
bradhorn14 2 years ago
UUs do not accept the Bible as the concrete truth and word of God. If you believe that, that's fine, but one of the most important thing about UUs is that we don't believe in pushing our beliefs on others, and appreciate if you do the same. Believe what you want, but if someone else does not believe that God views gay marriage as an abomination, who are you to judge them? Who are you to speak for God?
NobleHam 2 years ago 7
You are a person. Unless God asked you to personally help thy Lord decide which ways were appropriate for human beings to rub their genitals together I would think it would probably be better to let God do the work alone. If God is God, no human being can ever speak for God.
SmileNow2 2 years ago 4
I would think that most people who go to UU would want people in their communities to be happy and to live their lives to the fullest potentials. Growing to the fullest potential involves enabling the person to use their talents to leave a positive mark on the world. Generally people who are able to formulate consensual, loving relationships with other people are better at making a difference in their communities.
SmileNow2 2 years ago
It is sooo liberal and does gives any answer to questions people have. Jesus said I am the truth, the way and the life and no one comes to the Father except through Me. That means that there is a truth.... there is things that are wrong,
patrick4china 2 years ago
Jesus came to put truth on trial and to defnd truth. When HE went to Pilot he commented "Amen, Amen" Truth Truth.
bradhorn14 2 years ago
UUs believe in a truth, we just believe in finding it on our own. The Bible provides good guidance, but so does the Tao te Ching, so do the teachings of Buddha, so does personal intuition and the conscience. Jesus said that, yes. So many other people have said the same though. It seems naive and close-minded to look at only one perspective and declare it to be true, based on millenia old second hand accounts. Don't get me wrong, we have morals, just not arbitrary ones.
NobleHam 2 years ago
I've done a lot of research about UUism and I agree 100% with the liberism and inclusion. But, most of the time when they, and other groups, speak about "justice and freedom" they are usually talking about african americans and women. Well, what about Native Americans??? Rarely are they included in the national discussion on economic justice, human rights...etc. But still, I like the UUs and plan on attending soon to check them out further.
TroyBilt007 2 years ago
Well the church is nice I will admit that. The people are friendly and welcoming, but I was too afraid to say anything about my beliefs. I will go again this sunday and hopefully share it with the other members as well as learn of theirs.
Starcomet 2 years ago
Hmm I do not see my comment, guess I will post again. I have been looking into the church for a while. I have lived in Baltimore for 20 years and have been searching for a Progressive Church. I consider myself a Progressive/ classical Unitarian and Universalist Christian. I plan to attend a service this Sunday and hope I am welcomed.
Starcomet 3 years ago
I idetifiy as a Progressive classical Unitarian and Universalist Christian. I have heard alot about the history of the First Unitarian church of Baltimore and I plan to go and attend a service this sunday. Hope I am welcomed.
Starcomet 3 years ago
I also find it interesting that comments have to be approved here.
Goes to prove my point.
tlh215 3 years ago
Yes, comments must be approved. Some people write incredibly hateful things and I will not allow that on this page. Apologies if I do not approve in a timely manner.
rudywaltz 2 years ago
Me, I'm kinda heartbroken. I joined a UU church in 1996 and I have to admit that I've found it to be very hostile to belief in God. Yet, I have this thing about including gay people in the life of a church, even one that believes in God, and while the UUs rock at inclusion of gay people, they totally fall down when it comes to theistic believers. I've never been made to feel so hated just because I believe in God...
tlh215 3 years ago
Some congregations do lean more towards humanism, others toward spirituality, including belief in God. If you feel you are being discriminated against, you should definitely bring it up with your church's leadership.
rudywaltz 2 years ago
Agreed, while all UU churches are independent, they should still follow the rules of inclusivism. Bring it up to the leadership and if they still do not accept you, then find something else.
Starcomet 2 years ago
We're between leadership right now.
The former minister retired and we have an interim minister now.
tlh215 2 years ago
The interim period is a great time to discuss what you do and do not like about the church--especially if you feel people are, consciously or unconsciously, creating barriers that keep other people away. If your church wants to grow, it has to deal with the issue you raised.
rudywaltz 2 years ago
Try a different UU Church.
mwh08111963 2 years ago
If you read the bible, Unitarian Universalism is blasphemous to God. God consists of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. This false religion is preaching against the word of God.
PeterSmeter 3 years ago
Like you said "If you read the bible". I'm pretty sure a lot of people would disagree with you on the validity of the document in question.
In other words "Your point being?"
Treemeadow 2 years ago
So a UU churches today are pretty much religiously themed social clubs for people who are disillusioned with Biblical Christian doctrine... :/
heart4moocows 3 years ago
More than a social club, for sure. Our church is a spiritual center, just like any other. But true that the doctrine is not all Biblical Christian, though there is some of that.
rudywaltz 3 years ago
I apologize--I just deleted a couple comments by accident. One was positive, one negative to UUs. Please try to post again and I will be more careful :)
rudywaltz 3 years ago
In reading up some on UU...I see links to be part of some social movements like the campaign to end the death penalty..which is right under links for planned parenthood who contributes to the death of millions of (potential) life.. if UU ideas are to be respectful of life (Human beings, animals, the Earth..). Why would the forming life in womb be any different. I have a huge problem with understanding this conflict. Please explain?
- Love wins
lindseytabb 3 years ago
lindseytabb,
There are some pro-life UUs out there. However, you are right that it is common (UU or not) for people to be against the death penalty and for legalized abortion. Not enough space here to explain completely, but it does make sense. For instance, you can argue that making abortion illegal will just create more suffering and poor health conditions by driving it underground. There are better was of reducing abortion, like preventing unwanted pregnancies to begin with.
rudywaltz 3 years ago
Okay. I can see that. I completely agree with your last point. Lets be logical- we care about life. We care about our beautiful earth. We care about human suffering. We want to nurture potential life of plants, animals.. why would the potential for human life EVER be any different?! This doesnt make sense. You are right, lets prevent the pregnancy to begin with! But if it does happen.. lets do ALL possible to preserve that life and see it given a chance to succeed. Even without that mother...
lindseytabb 3 years ago
lindseytabb, this debate is older than I am, and I appreciate your willingness to engage in it civilly. We obviously won't settle it here. One aspect of the dispute is when exactly life begins. 2 cells? 20? Each person needs to decide that on their own. Then there is the life and health of the mother to consider. More lives may be at risk from unsafe abortions if they were illegal. We actually had a sermon once at our church from a pro-life perspective--not all UUs agree on this.
rudywaltz 3 years ago
got it. it just makes my heart ill..and this is coming from someone who was faced with that decision when I was 18. With such a compassionate seeking community as UU's seem to be- I cant imagine the justification. I know it isnt overall but when the church has statements and links to be part of particular movements...it gives the impression that it is a widely accepted and passionate movement- to support abortion. Lets encourage.lets love and lets support all life. Present and potential-
lindseytabb 3 years ago
UU has no creed and doesn't tell it's members you have to believe in something. Planned Parenthood is not an abortion clinic. While some UU's might support PP, not all do. There is no creed, and not set beliefs. We are free to choose our beliefs and think for ourselves.
BayfrontGuy 3 years ago
Well, I can only speak for myself, but I would explain it like this. UUs see the world through modern eyes and their view has been shaped by science, technology, philosophy, psychology, etc. Because of this ... the fetus is understood to be simply a collection of cells...later in the pregnancy those cells develop into a viable human being, but in the first stages of pregnancy, and certainly in terms of conception, it's a clump of cells.
Arondeus 3 years ago
The same for myself and Seventh-Day Adventism 9although I chose to be baptised). There are some things I do believe, more that I don't. While there is no lee-way for me to search openly within the SDA denomination, I have that necessary freedom within U.U. I still attend SDA churches/programs and conventions, because I continue to get something out of them, likewise, I get what I need out of U.U too, and they accept me and my unique journey.
Its the most fair and just faith system of all!
Treemeadow 3 years ago
i'm glad i found UU!!! i almost left my religion. however, i consider myself and only hang out with Christian Unitarians.
touquoise 3 years ago
Can I ask, what religion you were before, and do you consider yourself to still be that religion.
dave55toglorifygod 3 years ago
I am so glad I found UU. I feel like I'm at home.
Pensador87 3 years ago
That's cool. I found the southern baptist convention and now I feel like I'm at home too.
dave55toglorifygod 3 years ago 2
So, I have a few questions...
What happens when UU people die? What do they believe will happen?
Since everyone is so tolerant of other people, how do they know right from wrong? My moral standards could be different from another UU member. This moral relativism can be very destructive...
churro1690 3 years ago
So can anyone actually tell me what they personally believe? Or are the worldviews and spiritualities so absolutely vague that no one actually knows what they are talking about? I'm not trying to be argumentative, but it seems to me that no one actually knows what they believe. Except they believe in world peace and loving each other. Which is fine, but it's not really deep.
amazedcreation 3 years ago
Whoooo!! go Unitarian Universalists!! We R amazing!!
xoxokiwi 3 years ago 2
The UU Congregation in Berkeley rules! I only go once in a while since I don't live in Berkeley, but it's really nice and welcoming. I think it's really great that they have a group that meets for many different kinds of beliefs. Even for atheists, a group I may attend one day, when I'm a bit older.
I see the church as more of a humanitarian community of different people than a religion.
Josephdorf03 3 years ago
They seem like very nice people, but I still have no idea what this group believes in!
farmerbrown2a 3 years ago
they believe in figuring out your own beliefs that dont hurt or dimish other's beliefs
psych120 3 years ago 5
From what I gather, it's a group of people with different faiths, who find their own beliefs. It doesn't have a set belief system, yet expresses the need to respect nature and find your own conclusions.
RejectedAccount 3 years ago 3
"Believe" is not the operational term. As a UU I prefer to say "I think," and enjoy the community of others who are willing to think. this takes courage and willingness to move beyond what I've been told that does not resonate with my experience. Religion means to re-align one's deepest self with the diverse realities of life.
GwenAYF 3 years ago
One thing for certain, fairly smart people go to UU churches.
guitarsrule1 3 years ago
If you are down and out, need some food or a place to crash, they won't judge you and will try to help you, um...kind of like Jesus Christ would do.
guitarsrule1 3 years ago
You can meet people of all ages in conservative evangelical congregations, too. As for 'different beliefs and sexualities' ... diversity isn't an absolute virtue, and even you'd agree to that. You wouldn't want a congregation with 'diverse' beliefs about murder, incest, or drug dealing. UU is the conjunction of 2 Christian heresies. Have you ever examined the relevant portions of the Bible and asked yourself if you can mount a plausible case for either?
CAndiron 4 years ago
If you read the seven principles that are the foundation of our religion, it would be clear that "murder, incest, and drug dealing" are not part of the diversity we encourage.
rudywaltz 4 years ago
Since UU's draw from ANY faith tradition, they are not encumbered by a political notion such as "heresy". Nor do UU leaders fancy themselves qualified to condemn non-believers. That is absolutely NOT what Jesus of Nazareth taught. UU's do not tolerate any BEHAVIOR, we tolerate any BELIEF. Even yours. But we WILL challenge you to make sense out of it, and using it as an excuse to attack someone else. That is also contrary to the teachings of your Leader and your implication of "relevant".
tavent 3 years ago 2