How the Brakko CWB braking system works

[MrTouldy]

the buell system is so much better

[jefryjacsjeff]

can anyone please tell me this song title??

[ANtn1969]

@jefryjacsjeff Pink .... You and your hand

[polizia7]

@jefryjacsjeff

Its a song by Pink, sorry don't know the title.

[snetsov]

So the replacement rotor comes with a spare rim at just 999 Euro?!?

[GUNDAMZGOK]

why so serious...

[Nza420]

reminds me vaguely of the "original" disc brakes for cars.. two sides clamping on a friction disc... we all know what became of those, don't we? xD

[ghiavoluz]

and how would spoked wheels work?

I can`t wait to see the wings of this moto :X

[tavy3050]

brake line going through the axle... just more to go wrong, u might pull the brake lever and nothing happens

[forged177]

this is just a shit buell brake

which will take alot more time to get the wheel off.

[rashidme]

whats up with song!!! would've been nice if someone was actually explaining.

[MegaAplauz]

future of the brakes is in electromagnetic systems - mechanics.

[CryptOfFlesh]

and how much costs a rotor and the pads?

[Bitchhandsoff]

I'll take a six pistol brembo brake system any day over this.

[grimslider]

nice system it must be abs well i hate bikes i like atvs XD more they are my love

[skymosquito]

Good Innovation for Racing Bikes and maybe later for the Market.

[malone162]

aerodynamics would be a problem..

[oskarpepryk]

heat from disk may heat up tire causing pressure to rise like on bicycles with V-brakes. It may even cause tire to explode

[ele1508]

@oskarpepryk what if it's cooled by something within the brake?

[Ryknfjor]

@oskarpepryk not really, buell brakes are mounted the same with the exception of them being offset. the amount of heat-transference would have to be high (like the whole rotor glowing) then it would cause probs, but seeing that this rotor is almost the size of a ferrari's sans the thickness, it would probably never see it that hot. unless ur chomping down from +180mph with no air circulation!!

[Ryknfjor]

nice on centrifugal plane efficiency, with centralizing everything but, the length of the arms to reach the rotor is a problem. putting three of those on there will help it out immensely, but, unfortunately you increased weight by any given amount. Buell's ZTL2 + rotor is still the best in weight and in torsion loads (hence Zero Torsion Load). Im sure its aerodynamics+centrifugal give it the biggest edge over most.

[nomjasdk]

@Ryknfjor Too bad the Buell Brakes are still crap then...

[Ryknfjor]

@nomjasdk yeah only compared to Brembos or high-end tier brakes.. for a small company Buell brakes are rated among the best. theyre just as efficient as any 'stock/in-house' brakes, but they still weigh less. Ive used them and all you need is 1 finger to stop normal... 2 for stoppie time. read any review about the 1125r/cr's brakes and youll see what im saying. Good day.

[dudesocool]

So I was interested in the system...too bad I can read what they're saying though.

[xkakashix12]

traditional brakes would cool more efficiently than this

[heyitsmcphail]

I heard the song, then didnt finish your video......

[Dogbiteify]

I like the fact it has aerodynamic bonuses.

[skyhacker6]

Encore une fois c'est la technique à l'envers qui prime, au lieu que le disque soit concentré sur l'arbre de roue, il est maintenant fixé sur la jante et n'a plus de centre ! Ainsi c'est la jante qui solidifie la structure au freinage. Cependant j'ai un doute, la roue n'est plus que fixée par ses étriers de freins ?

[odmcarp]

Italian Engineering....The Best.

[jfortuo]

good graphics but ditch that fuckin lame song so its watchable

[koprivaqi]

very beutyfull!!!

[lgarvey]

f u bitch, my hand doesn't look like it fell out of the ugly tree, unlike you

[mceffect]

like a lauching a song album instead the Brake. worst song added. good product idea.

[sabbathian]

Too much unnecessary weight on outer side of the wheel = worse handling...

[purpleGoAhead]

unnecessarily complicated - what about maintenance? that's what i call stupid modern engineering...

[lexxx666777]

I would still prefer 2 rotors instead of a single one.

We talking about heat here and if you only have rotor with bunch of calipers hanging on it or let's just put it this way. In this system we have more brake pads squeezing the same rotor which is scary.

Do you ever guys get your brakes lock up on you yet???

[seapeddler]

Aren't BMW wedge brakes simpler?

[sacheus]

Hm! is this on a BUELL theme with ZTL braking forces transfering directly to the rim!

[TamalKrsna]

Not a smart idea to convert all braking torque into rotary motion around the axle.

[heidenel]

different question is how do you change the brake disc in the wheel?

Just costs you more money for a little weight lost of the second brake disc.But perhaps that doesnt even come with it because the big disc may be as heavy as the 2 small ones.

[Igneroid]

Thats very similar to what Buell was using since 2003....Its catching on...

[ThaNiksu]

the only problem I found was how to change the brake disc ?

[Joe11Blue]

It's an ingenious design, but I doubt it'll handle the constantly changing and flexing lateral strain from long term or hard use.

Any report's on it this season so far?

[iceman86694]

awaysome ;)

[fordv8man]

So every time you drop a wheel to fit wets or change a road tyre, balance the assembly, you need a brake bleed? Gee thats handy.

[corotor12345]

@fordv8man

No, idiot, you use leak proof connectors. You just disconnect it and reconnect it and no bleeding was necessary.

[fordv8man]

@corotor12345 No connector is leak proof, any air in a braking system is a failure. I have worked on bikes and cars for 12 years plus and raced also. You?

No didnt think so loser. Stop using wikipedia to make up for your ignorance of anything mechanical.

[corotor12345]

@fordv8man

So then why do WSBK and MotoGP teams use them? And Wikipedia? What are you talking about?

[cosmoclast]

@corotor12345 fordv8man is correct you know.

[corotor12345]

@cosmoclast

No... It's LEAK PROOF. And that was ages ago, what's wrong with you LOL

[lipevolcom2]

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[lubbockboy1]

Looks cool but I imagine that it puts a whole lot of stress on the axle and if an axle snapped......well, wheel chairs and caskets don't look cool.

[buellfuel2001]

That is a Whole lot more complicated and more costly than the Buell ZTL Perimiter brake system. I have already seen the future of motorcycle braking systems and CWB is not it!

Think 200 years from now.

[Peddobjoernen]

I might be stupid, but wouldn't this just place all the force on the middle of the axle?

That's not a very strong part, either. Just seems to be more parts to break imo.

[corotor12345]

@Peddobjoernen

Yes and absolutely no performance gains.

People, the criteria you need to follow in order to discard inventions is the next:

- Is it used in MotoGP?

. If so, it's good.

. Not the case? Well, is it banned? If it's banned, it's good.

- Not used in MotoGP?

. Not banned either? Then simply not good, or else it would be used.

[sniprzkitty]

I say bogus on the air cooling flow. How does the air flow turn round the forks then flow BACKWARDS across the disc before turning round ?. Must be using magic.

Wheel looks good though, and considering must bikers never fully utilise the performance of a motorcycle, wouldn't make a difference in normal use

[whytyt]

dont know about the aerodynamics of the design but if all you want is to minimise the distance between the brake disc to the tyre, wouldn't having the disc bolted to the perimeter (hub>spokes>disc>tyre) does the same trick and saves a lot of unsprung weight too...? why go through all that when you can get inspiration from a hubble bicycle? besides, how to change the wheel fast? removing the whole lot during a pit stop?

[pearlbluesoul]

i.e. look up 'perimeter braking system'. That's the name of this type of system.

[pearlbluesoul]

I don't get why this is any different than the setup Eric Buell came up with. BTW, the arrows are NOT airflow. they're the distribution of force. Conventional rotors require the force be transferred from the disc, through the hub, then out to the spokes of the wheel itself. that was the intention behind the Buell design is the force acts directly on the wheel itself, and no need to overcomplicate the caliper mounting system.

[LRGHMN]

The answer to a question that was never asked...

[raaaaaa]

it is 2010 and you have this video up on youtube in 480p instead of standard 720p or optional 1080p. says allot about your product

[lockedbag13]

if that's the worst song you ever heard you should get out more, ask ya mum for play money first.

[XELA2T]

The airflow looks so nice in the animation, but I doubt it will do you the favor to behave like this in reality.

Also I somehow don`t like it from the mechanic / hydraulic part.

- May be good for a cafe racer?

[zebase]

I'm not sure whether this new braking configuration does actually improve the bike. Because I wonder if it really has an aerodynamic advantage compared to the conventional braking system (2:13). And the normal system probably has enough braking power. It does look symmetrical which is kind of nice.

[JESUYEAH]

MADRE MIA!!!!!!!!

[OutbackJon]

So, every time you change a tire, you'd have to bleed the brakes as well? Doesn't look like such a good idea to me.

[Davetts92]

@OutbackJon Appears to be like that.

[mightlife]

Thanks for the translation MCN ;)

[jebbadiah]

change disc = change rims?

[sacheus]

OH how i wish this never takes off! BUELL first.

[icanhaslego]

why not take out the rest of the wheel and mount two more calipers? the brake disc would become the wheel.

[ribenawrath]

so what is the real difference between this and conventional brakes?

Two things stand out here...the spoke seems to be split in half a...doubled?! For more weight!?

Ok, so a central disc makes more sense, but would anyone notice it in road environments?

[Spyrious]

Nice system,but i think it weights more than traditional setups.

[makeminealarge1]

it will never work....might look good on a computer but it will never work in the real world....

[N3RR4D]

so do the brakes need bleeding every time you change your tyre, no real stopping power there i wouldnt think

[PenzancePete]

Why do posters always asume that we want to listen to crap "music" whilst looking at what's been posted?

[tHEuKER]

I think the flaw is actually shown in the video, although in disguise.

The problem is the brakes would probably melt since there's no ventilation in that position.

[interloperopp]

get them out of balance and your gonna enjoy a massive tank slapper

talking of slappers change the song to pinks im trouble or just like a pill

if these were any good they would be on a production bike by now or valentinos yam

[sakoshooter48]

Tank slappers, really, caused by brakes, wow. I guess I'll go oil my brakes so i don't get any tank slappers!!! Now where did you pull that big of engineering magic out of, your ass maybe????????? Brakes have NOTHING to do with the onset of the dreaded "TANK SLAPPER!" Tanks slappers are the result of inadequate suspension rebound and compression dampening that result in feedback into the frame, causing a resonance to develop with an increased rate of frequency, hence tank slapping!

[FreedomForTooting]

Tank slappers caused by suspension damping? Steering geometry more like.

[sakoshooter48]

Steering geometry? Suspension settings are the primary cause, steering geometry only exacerbates the problem and how fast the onset is.

[interloperopp]

dear sarky shooter

get a translator ,and read properly ,

i said if they were out of balance they could cause

and for your information have you any experiance in panel beating spraying ? no thought not ! so a out of line frame ect even out of balance wheel will cause this

if your still angry after reading this get counsouling ,and get of your 50cc tank slapper

[sakoshooter48]

Tell you what genius, when you can carry on an intelligent conversation without interjecting your ignorant bullshit I'll trade in my 50cc putt putt on a skateboard. Oh wait! not going to happen. Sorry, I limit my beating to those who are in dire need of one, oh wait again, you are first in line. Next time you post something and wish it not to be commented on I suggest you more succinctly state your point. "Get them out of balance and you are going to enjoy a massive tank slapper?" WTF!

[interloperopp]

lets just look at your first reply !!!

you said "you will go oil your brakes "

doest that reply make you superior ?????

or someone who doesant quite pay attention and just flys off into a rage ,

ive googled bad handleing and the top search result came back

wait for it american cars ,thus they built oval circuits and laguna when us brits kick ya ass in moto gp

so read back your meessages then mine who looks the fool ,ps stay in touch

[WarInTheTrench]

Good idea, terrible, terrible tunes.

[bhkood]

Nice video, shame about the song !!!!!

[greenmetal8000]

That is the worst song I have ever heard.

-14/88

[MujaRagHeadKillaUK]

The fact that GP500 bikes don't use these brakes shows how good they are...

[kooper35]

Song is Pink - You and your hand

[LeMousqueteerBleu]

who needs this?

[joshakabmx]

i have a pair

[ac3jc]

so youd have to replace the whole wheel more often? wouldnt it be alot more expensive and inconvenient?

[Docv400]

Looks like another solution looking for a problem to me!

[yami00222]

the cost must higher about 30%

By the way

What's the song?

it's amazing : )

[henryv8]

Looks heavy...unsprung weight!

Cut it in half and centralise, like a single side swing arm, then maybe.

Better off spending money on quality fork internals, because most modern brakes are better than the rider.

[tonyboysax]

nice looking brake system

if it performs as well as the r1 brakes on my fazer 600 that,l be great

[megaman8484]

fazer sucks ass, if i see u on my gsxr1000 ill smoke ya face

[DomesticAnimals]

what a great idea.

[donepearce]

I've always noticed that when a motor cyclist needs to stop in a real hurry, he lies down on the road and slides - usually under a bus or truck, his path lubricated by his own blood.

One has only to hope that he doesn't have any children, thus qualifying him for a Darwin award.

[hzsurfer]

When a motorcyclist is in a hurry and needs to stop and a panzy like you cut's in front of him hell just remove your left mirror out of your car with a simple foot/mirror action ^^ if you dont use it, why having them on your car ??

and a experienced biker knows where to stop and how to stop and if you cant just go around it.

[donepearce]

You seem to know an awful lot about how I drive. Or rather you don't - clearly. You even have the country wrong - either that or you don't know that we drive on the left here, hence an overtaking cyclist would be taking off my right mirror, not my left. Never mind, eh?

[hzsurfer]

it seems like jerks like you live in other countrys as well.

[Docv400]

That's SO true, and no one EVER dies in cars (or gets killed by them, do they?

Prick!

[donepearce]

Exactly.I never have, and nobody recently has found it necessary to change the way car brakes work either.

[FreedomForTooting]

Depends what you mean by recently. In the last week, or the last decade?

[AnotheFamousItalian]

wow thanks for sharing this info...no more sleepless nights for me tossing and turning over the wretched Brakko system

[megaman8484]

braking

[Mahaney82]

Im sold. I want to see this thing in action.

[lduk]

Pretty bad ass

[HighCardWins]

Where's the prototype?

[gotaleaf]

obvious the further out of the wheel the disc is the more effective like the brakes on an old bicycle ----why not do away with the complicated seals in centre and machine top edge of wheel flat have calipers at top connected to frame just like the old days ha ha ha

[98michael]

Can you send me that model please?

[democratickindeling]

You still only have about a ciggarette packet of rubber's contact with the road...stopping the wheel is easy...keeping rolling contact with the road is the hard part.

[gotaleaf]

thats right dude----so rubber isnt the answer here

[dubya86]

I understand the concept of it making it easier to brake by moving the rotor further out... but to me it just seems like it has a much higher potential for problems than what it would be worth

[jpkegger]

I wonder what it would take to change the rotor. I hope that it is a three piece wheel. At least with a Buell you have much easier access. I like that there are new ideas out there.

[matisamd]

motor bikes out turned by wheel chairs out paced by rocket trucks :P out braked by planets.

[popear1937]

if these ads piss you off, give me a thumbs up

[kidhonda89]

@popear1937 If this music pisses you off. thumbs up!

[Peddobjoernen]

@popear1937 Get adblock and firefox. No more ads (sub to easylist usa)

[grumpOtron]

i like buell better

[crystalsunderground]

mr right SUPERBITCH.

[IanA212121]

The airflow diagram of the CWB system shows hot air from the first caliper going into the second caliper and coming out cool. That's a good trick if it works.

[dachurl87]

Seems to be agreat idea. The only way to find out its absolute potential is to put it in real life racing senerios against the others.

[soupys]

Great idea but at the same time bad idea. The brakes need to be cooled some how. It probably would give you less drag on the bike and make it go a little bit faster. And the placement of the brakes shouldn't be all over the place because it'll screw up your center of gravity. So good idea but it needs the kinks worked out first before it goes on bikes.

[DONNYBOYY28]

If you watched the whole video you would have seen the air flow over the front tires and noticed how the air cools the single disk

[alexserra11]

wats up wit de gay music man?? has nothin to do wit de vid.

[Realityinplay]

learn to ride better is worth far more than bigger brakes.

[alwilrule]

Just realised that a disc of this size and mass must surely have a gyroscopic affect making it harder to lean the bike into corners? If that were the case I suppose the rider could ride sidesaddle.

[DONNYBOYY28]

moving the weight the the center of the wheels reduces the gyroscopic effect

[bentboybbz]

good idea but...there is only as much braking as the front wheel has traction...and as long as the bike does not flip and land on top of you...i do not see this as being a functional upgrade...would prolly make your bike look cool as hell

[JJchingy]

If it was good moto gp will have it

[alwilrule]

I don't think this will catch on, its hydraulic complexity has got to cost a lot, weight? maybe yes, airflow? you could fair in the forks, that would be cheaper. But if you have the budget, I would love to see it on the track.

[gazboselectamo]

The added weight on the wheel is also further out from the centre point than a normal brake disc which adds greatly to the unsprung weight and increases the rotational inertia. Besides that there are now two separate sets of spokes either side of the disc which is going to increase weight even if the load is split evenly. video showed a brake pad being changed but how does a technician change the giant brake disc? The rim might disassemble somehow but still not ideal!

[gazboselectamo]

Even if larger calipers and pads are used to increase braking friction this still comes with an increase in weight which will further degrade overall performance. Bikes already have trouble stopping quickly due to weight distribution and centre of gravity, increased braking force on a wheel isn't going to remedy that! I'd assume the cost to replace a wheel/disc combo would also be very expensive. Cost effectiveness is half of invention!

[NaughtyBwoi]

interesting comment

[TheGianbargian]

Sei un esperto.Fai un elenco dei pesi in movimento e confrontiamolo con il CWB.

grazie

[TheGianbargian]

You are an expert. You make a directory of the weights in motion on rotates traditional and we confront it with the CWB. thanks

[matthewchan]

that and you can only slow down as fast as the tires will allow.

[FATMIKED5183]

I like the system used o the tomahawk better!

[salford08]

mechanics dream!

[75tim192l4]

what bike is that?

[siralantaylorATlive]

Great vid, but MAN thats the biggest mountain bike I've ever seen!!

[Husoku]

Sorry if this question has already been asked. What CAD program & version was used for this?

[5starstunta]

Is it just me or did the American company Buell come up with this basic concept first?

America Fuck yeah

[sammottershead]

@5starstunta

no

[gravediggmn]

no buell just uses a big disk.. but its mounted on the outside of the rim

[FreedomForTooting]

Honda did it twenty five years ago.

Go Japan.

[singaporesling1017]

From the people who brought you pearl harbor and seaweed as a delicacy, introducing this heavy, awkward braking system that requires much higher maintenance than ordinay brakes AND has zero aftermarket support! How DO they do it?

[FreedomForTooting]

The Italians were involved in Pearl Harbour?

[singaporesling1017]

No, no, you said Honda did it 25 years ago. I was referring to that, since you dubbed it the original and extolled the virtues of Japan.

[pizamoto]

Not sure I like the external routing of the lines to the outside of the forks. Darwinism and all. LOL

[stuntpea]

Looks heavy with possibly higher gyroscopic effect.

Looks bloody nice though.

[Shabbernigdo]

they look good and are inovative but im pretty sure these would be a total BITCH to work on.

If u are a guy who lets a shop do all your maintance then i dont see much of a problem but if u do your own stuff i dont see working on this set up bein any fun at all.

[eggybread21]

i had sex with a bike once, and now im on the register. as for my relationship with with Brakko, its in tatters...like my penis

[eggybread21]

some may call me a velocopedo

[theyoungchevalier]

tremendous reply my firend...you are a class individual !!

[eggybread21]

thanks sir, wanna bj?

[JASMINEETHAN7]

Very impressive. Good innovation and esthetically pleasing too

[olliemoto]

its good

but its in foreigh

how do i understand :S

[desertgeologist]

neat. a disc brake. that's, like, super awesome.

[xxxDEATHCORExxx]

fucking adverts, FUCK OFF, i dont want to by car ok

[TomWoolston]

bike?

[jmewhit]

just refresh the page and they fuck off

[joewilder]

I would have rather had someone explaining the system than listen to a song.  I didn't really get how it works.