Added: 3 years ago
From: ControlMastery
Views: 26,075
Sort by time | Sort by thread (beta)

Link to this comment:

Share to:

All Comments (60)

Sign In or Sign Up now to post a comment!
  • I was wondering if u analize other series or shows? could u do it? Is very interesting and I learn a lot. Thank u very much.

  • @Poemas1000 I apologize for the delay. Apparently In Treatment won't be renewed. I am toying with the idea of doing a series involving a psychoanalysis of Sigmund Freud.

  • @ControlMastery Thanks :-) 

  • he shoulda taxed her sweet ass !!

  • The big reveal at the end of the first episode got me hooked forever.

  • (When I had to go to work with pantyhose) mine run just by lloking at it.

  • I don't agree with the narrator when he says Paul is a "one trick pony" as a threapist. I think in many instances there was some creativity in how he handled certain situations = sometimes even going a bit beyond the "established parameters"

  • @Samotrase You are correct that his interventions are creative at times. My comment related to his theoretical understanding, which as depicted on the program is quite limited. Like most therapists, however, he is able to overcome the limitations of his training through empathetic reactions that give the patient what he or she needs.

  • @ControlMastery

    Hello - thanks for your reply! Interesting - I only began to see that there might be limitations to his theoretical understanding after watching him with Gina. I guess, at the beginning, I was assuming he was going to be practically flawless, which seems naive of me, but it's usually like that with american tv (sorry about this sweeping generalization, it's only that I'm trying to summarize - I mean we're used to being fed the 'hero').

  • @ControlMastery ... (continuing)

    Anyhow, I do see he has shortcomings, but I never really though they were due to his training - I thought they had more to do with his personality - a stubborn kind of guy, when it came to his own issues.

  • @Samotrase He talks a lot about testing, but it's clear that he has a very limited notion of it. Also he seems to see transference as merely a sexual concept, rather than an underpinning of the whole therapeutic process.

  • @ControlMastery ... (continuing again)

    What would be the 'technical' reason these limitations you mentioned exist? I see him struggle with the method, but I never really felt that his theoretical understanding was that limited. Was his training too narrow, as in say, strictly one school of thought? It's also interesting, and rewarding, to see him overcome those limitations and even his recent insecurities and doubts about his profession and its effectivenes, and watch how he does so.

  • @Samotrase

    last one - I was just thiking it over again - do you mean HE has a limited understading of the theory of psychoanalysis, or do you mean that his particular training is in itself, limited?

  • @Samotrase You are correct that his interventions are creative at times. My comment related to his theoretical understanding, which as depicted on the program is quite limited. Like most therapists, however, he is able to overcome the limitations of his training through empathetic reactions that give the patient what he or she needs.

  • I don't know about you, but I think Laura's case was the lamest of all in the whole 3 seasons. Clearly, to me Sophie and sometimes Alex and the couple were worth watching the series in this first season, especially Sophie's case. Also, Gina's insights were remarkable, and the actress is fabulous!

  • @guachipetiaga I agree with you, but Laura's case was probably the most popular.

  • I appreciate this deconstruction of the episode. I learned a lot from it, thank you!

    I have been having a similar situation go on between me and my psychiatrist, and having you clearly define what Laura is doing and why she is doing it has helped me understand my own behavior. Unfortunately I'm still not so sure on what is/was going on in my shrink's head :-( ...

  • @starrfist Just for the record, I included the "cheap chick tricks" remark because it was an instance of Laura coaching Paul.

  • @ControlMastery Yes, I know. It just seems to have pissed off some commenters as there isn't a direct reference in this video, so people have no idea and think you're being misogynistic when you're not (I hope).

  • @starrfist As with Paul, therapists don't always recognize tests for what they are, afterward misunderstandings can lead one down many paths.

  • @ControlMastery

    Do you really believe that a trained therapist can be blind to these kind of things? I thought it was therapy 101. Transference/Countertransferen­ce.

    I know that now, but not when I was in therapy. I was ignorant and putting my trust in someone I thought knew what they were doing.  I just can't believe he didn't understand what was going on. Instead it all got turned around on me somehow. I became the temptress who could ruin his career. Ugh.

  • @starrfist It sounds like the therapist was like Paul, someone whose life was going badly at the moment, who was therefore tempted to look to his patients for more than was appropriate and helpful to the patients. At that point, he stopped being your therapist and was driven to say and do things that were expressive of his own unfulfilled needs. By calling you a temptress, he was probably trying to absolve himself of the guilt he was feeling for his own unprofessional and selfish behavior.

  • @ControlMastery Thanks again for your comments. Who would've thought that a youtube video about a fictional TV show and it's subsequent comments would be so helpful? Although I am still having a hard time thinking badly of my therapist: I go from feeling rejected, hurt and mistreated to thinking he really wasn't that bad, and I just misunderstood the whole thing. Either way, I know I should not talk to him anymore ;) Which is actually hard to do!

  • @starrfist I have no problem having bad feelings about your therapist. It is unfortunate that his life has taken a bad turn, but he had no right to draw you into his problems. His training should have ensured that he would not do that, no matter what. There is no excuse for his behavior. I don't think there is any chance you misunderstood.

  • Comment removed

  • Comment removed

  • @pluton514 Yes, I'm starting to realize that just because someone went to school and has the letters behind his/her name does NOT mean they have their head on straight. That's the conclusion I've had to come to, or else go even crazier than I am now :)

  • Comment removed

  • Comment removed

  • Comment removed

  • screw her paul! fuck her!

  • ahh..paul..just grab the whore and screw her hard like a lemon!

  • Drawing the premature conclusion that she was sexually abused is dangerous, because it would make one less receptive to different cues and get you to look for signs to confirm your theory. This could lead to a point where you implicitly/explicitly suggest it to Laura - in which case she may disclose it because it's true, because she has come to believe it's true, or because she realises that saying so would make her a victim in Paul's eyes. Dangerous, especially since Laura seems suggestible.

  • From just seeing episode 1 and a later one with Laura (and not really "knowing" her), I would disagree with your quick conclusion that Laura was probably sexually abused. We don't know that just from this. What we do know is that she is seeking Paul's attention in a sexual manner, which may indeed be to indicate that it is now possible to address this sexual area in therapy, or which may be to seek reassurance in the relationship. We don't know yet whether/why she relates to all men this way.

  • There is no direct evidence from the shows that she was sexually abused by her parents, but her tests weren't invented out of thin air. She was exploited sexually at a young age, and her father knew of it and did nothing to protect her, although I don't think I presented any of that in my excerpts.

  • That said, I think he is insightful and has great observational skills and empathy. If he could just undergo further training and, most of all, overcome his own personal problems, I think he could be a all right. I think he did help April, although he overstepped boundaries there as well - but in a different way. He needs to examine his own motivation for this more closely though. I would also hope he stays away from taking on children, as he doesn't seem to have a clue about child therapy.

  • Paul isn't always a bad therapist, but with Laura, he just completely disregards boundaries and his own feeling that something isn't right in this therapeutic relationship. He should have referred her to another therapist. He clearly couldn't handle this situation. I think he needs to not only get his own life bad on track, although that's a prerequisite. Sometimes, I can't even see his theoretical approach. He just seems too all over the place and frequently insecure.

  • The bottom line is, as you say, he needs to get his life back on track.

  • Does anyone know which episode this is from???

  • excuse my laughs, but i find cracking when she goes (0:37)

  • Anyway just don't pay attention to this control mastery idiot. I don't know what he's selling but it's completely baseless, It would be most generous to say it is superficial, ignorant...naive. But to be generous when he has a forum to influence others would be to come an accomplice. His very bizarre and wrong interpretation of the (fictional or semi-fictional) depiction of Laura's therapy with Paul is not psychology, and it's very offensive.

  • what is it? a fucked crokis? a documentary?

    buaf!

  • "Who throws up with the seat down?"

    Have you ever had a hangover? Or even too much to drink? Presence of mind in regards to keeping the porcelain exteriors in a therapist's office free of vomit is not typical for someone experiencing a hurl. I'd go so far as to say it's not even a priority.

  • Yeah, I'm going to have to agree on this one; I certainly don't care what position the toilet seat is in if I have to throw up. I dislike vomitting more than your average person, so I guess I don't really have many accounts to go on. But yeah, that was a funny line.

  • You're far to judgmental and analytical. "Cheap chick tricks?" Is this a diagnosis? Thankfully you're not a therapist. If I was to duplicate your method of analysis I'd say you were a misogynist, don't realize it, and therefore need to explore this further.

  • Why do you say so?

  • Let me just say this commenter is so far off it's almost unbelievable. I have to stop listening. And yes we all know what transferrence is ellan and any other wanna-be's. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. And you have only a little.

  • It's called TRANSFERENCE. (she felt her father let her down. And then she became seductive towards all men from an early age.) Paul couldn't handle it! (probably COUNTER-TRANSFERENCE.)

    There. Now you have to read Freud! (to understand what I mean.) :-D

  • How come Paul did not know she felt she was a piece of shit all her life.Where on earth is he focusing.Anyone could tell that no patient really wants to have a relationship with their therapist.That can not be their unconscious goal.He failed tons and tons of obvious tests.

    Paul is also wimpy in that he didn't protect the pilot from his guilt.He was not a strong father.If this series was based on therapists who think psychoanalytically,they don't really get it,do they.???

  • The real damning thing with Laura is that she was his therapist for a year. During a course of a therapy a patient reveals many more problems than the one or two he or she wants to work on. If Paul had been on his game, her aberrant sexuality would have been on his wish list of things to address for most of that time.

  • Aberrant? Do you mean histrionic?

  • Paul is a mess.He is too depressed and easily seduced by women.He hates to hurt their feelings.His absent father didn't stay behind to protect him from feeling responsible for his mother's(and all women)depression.He is seduced by their depression or physical attractiveness.

  • Paul is a mess as a therapist because his life is in a mess. I think he will become much better once his life is on track, except with child and family therapy. He is totally clueless in treating Oliver.

  • @Groucho5

    Cool, it's not often you get to see two clueless people discussing something they obviously are clueless about, but the sheer amount of projecting you two perform warrants you both a visit to the therapists office.

  • Thanks! ive enjoyed your commentary on the show. Im very curious about the writers research to portray such complex characters and what i find to be a relatively realistic dynamic between Paul and his patients.

  • It was that realism that initially led me to think that it would be possible to comment on episodes as if they were actual therapeutic sessions. What I found most interesting is that the episodes are able to accurately portray unconscious testing during therapy even though the writers of the show are evidently clueless regarding the concept. Paul and his patients talk a lot about testing, but my videos talk about something a bit more subtle. Hopefully the new season will be as authentic.

  • Hi- out of curiosity, how do you know that the show is based on real case histories? Thanks!

  • A colleague told me. Here is some of what she said: "I read a bunch of stuff in the press when the series came out. ISTR that the characters are based on real cases. The most significant thing, though, is that the American series is an adaptation of a series that originated in Israel. Apparently a lot got lost in translation, especially the cultural nuances that are particular to Israeli culture...There was an Israeli psychotherapist who acted as a consultant to the American writers."

  • I have taken a great deal of flak because of that, mostly from my colleagues. As another one of the videos shows, I was quoting Laura, which of course was not at all clear from the video in which the quote appeared.

  • "Cheap chick tricks?"

    Not a little insensitive and sexist?

    This is the proper technical term?

  • "Sexist" is not a psychological term.Merely a politically correct term.

  • @Tuigim "Cheap chick tricks" is a phrase Laura uses.

  • Most people realize what Paul SHOULD have done. This is DRAMA... Most people WANT to see something happen between Paul and Laura because it is entertainment.

  • The show is based on actual case histories, which is why I thought to comment on it. Artistic license is taken in the writing of these stories, but there is a great deal of integrity here too.

  • Yes that's a good point. I wonder to what extent Paul's own therapist and mentor, Gina, let him down - since her interventions prove critical later on, as when Paul makes the decison to stop treating Laura and the consequences which ensue.

  • I haven't looked at those episodes for a long time, but my general impression is that she did all right. Unfortunately there are no magic interventions that will stop patients from doing stupid things all of the time. A therapist often blames himself when things go wrong, but that blame is often misplaced. Shit happens.

  • My comments may be slanted by my empathy for "Paul", but even though Paul may, as suggested, have been "off his game" I would argue he handled this situation well, professionally and ethically, understanding that at this point in the series, his genuine feelings for Laura were not yet as evident.

    Thank you though for the analysis of these are other episodes. Am currently studying psychology and the breakdown of Paul's sessions is very informative.

  • Paul's behavior in Episode 1 was basically correct. His professionalism decreased, however, with each later session. Laura's behavior should have caused Paul to have a "what the hell is going on moment" after each session. My complaint is that he failed to think about Laura as a patient between sessions. I wouldn't ascribe "genuine feelings" to Paul, given the fact that his marriage was crumbling at the time. If his marriage had been OK, his treatment of Laura would probably have been OK, too.

  • You are quite right. Tests are made up of ambiguous circumstances. If what was going on during a test was clear-cut, it wouldnt be a test. Often therapists dont realize they have been tested until long after a therapeutic session containing a test has ended.

  • Girls throw up with the seat down.

    Panty hose can get a run by ALL by themselves.

    Just sayin'.

Loading...
Alert icon
0 / 00Unsaved Playlist Return to active list
    1. Your queue is empty. Add videos to your queue using this button:
      or sign in to load a different list.
    Loading...Loading...Saving...
    • Clear all videos from this list
    • Learn more