There is real divine power associated with the LDS Church. Tryng to build a case against JS with second and third hand accounts doesn't proove a thing. JS had many enemys and , no doubt ,many gave false accounts of him. Christ was also wrongly accused of many things.
Easy, they could always say, "So what that she was sixteen, it beats the Islamic prophet Mohammed, who married Aisha when she was six."
Either way both those prophets were clowns, but Joseph Smith and his followers are something else. At least Mohammed is relatively shrouded in *some* mystery, Joseph was a known charlatan in this day and age and people STILL follow him.
I accept Christ as my Savior, and I know He is my Lord. I believe in following his commandments and that he foretold the coming of false prophets. One of those false prophets is Joseph Smith.
@ImLDSRU2 come to the real, true and living Christ of the Bible. Joseph Smith said: I have more to boast of than any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor JESUS NEVER DID IT. I boast that NO MAN ever did such work as I (History of the Church, Vol.6, pp. 408-09).
A true servant of Christ does not claim to have accomplished more than the Christ.
@ImLDSRU2 I do not mean to hurt you, but I sincerely believe that you are deceived. Please pray for help and stick to your Bible rather than the man made temple worship that Joseph Smith crafted from the Masons!
You cannot fully know Jesus when you are following a false prophet like Joseph Smith.
It is easy to dismiss others as "anti-Christs" but you must hear the message: Jesus is the way. It's not Jesus plus Joseph's teachings. It's Jesus ALONE.
@Nepthu You are surely lying. Anti-Christs do not have the truth in them and you are lying. You do intend to hurt me. You have no ability to do any good thing.. only harm.
Oh and by the way Scott, tell us all where polygamy was legal in 1840. Do not try to weasel out of it by saying some territory. Polygamy was never legal and the LDS had to agree to outlaw it before Utah joined the union.
Joseph Smith was not arrested, he was served a Mitmass which was not a legal document in Carthage. It takes a hearing in front of a Judge by a Sheriff or Constable to get a Mitmiss this was not done but faked by the Constable. Joseph Smith did not plot to destroy the press, the city coucel decided that the press was a greater danger to the public than any free print. You also have to remember that the Bill of Rights was not afforded the states until 1862 and was not in effect to the States.
@scottwins2 Actually, Dallin Oaks reviewed the legal situation regarding the idea that a Newspaper could be declared a public nuisance and banned. Turns out that, in fact, this was not the only time it happened and at that time, it was not illegal for a city, (especially Nauvoo -- which had a unique charter) to have the legal authority to do this.
The Constitutional prescription about "freedom of expression", was not the same then as it is now.
@ImLDSRU2 Oaks also said that the owners of the press could have easily sued for damages. The real gem of the Nauvoo Expositor is that it revealed Joseph Smith's secret practice of Polygamy.
Joseph had been condemning polygamy in public but practicing it in private. Fellow Mormon, William Law, was disgusted by this hypocrisy and exposed Smith in the paper. In retaliation, Smith had the press destroyed.
And just like Smith, Mormons like you can't stand it when uncomfortable truths come out!
@Nepthu Yes, anyone can easily sue for anything. I could sue you for having too many warts on your back.
The question is.. will the suit be successful.
The bottom line is that a newspaper could be declared a legal nuisance and banned. This was not novel legal theory at the time.... it had happened many times before.
And guess what? The authorities were never successfully sued.
@ImLDSRU2 Joseph was the mayor wasn't he? The Expositor was against Smith not the city council. Once he died, there was no reason to sue the city council.
@ImLDSRU2 Oh, so you're saying that Smith had no influence over the city council?
I'm anti-Christ because I bring up facts about Smith keeping a gun in his jail cell? Wow, I thought we were starting to become friends. I actually like talking to a Mormon who is upfront and doesn't pretend that polygamy didn't start with Smith.
@ImLDSRU2 Gosh, we just met and you're throwing out all these accusations. What makes you think I hate the works of Christ? I love Christ! I just think Joseph is a scam artist is all.
@ImLDSRU2 Really? I don't remember any Mormon being as upfront as you, but I guess you couldn't deal with some evidence in the past, so you start spewing the "You reject the Lord" stuff. I reject Joseph Smith, not the Lord. It's sad that you think they are one in the same.
@Nepthu I accept that your memory is defective. The light of truth is not in you, you are filled with darkness and not able to have normal cognitive skills. This, however, does not excuse you. It is a choice you have made to reject your Savior and fight against His saints.
@ImLDSRU2 I rebuke you in the name of the Lord and pray that you will listen to good people like Sandra Tanner who was saved from the darkness of Joseph Smith and his lies. I truly do hope you will wake up and stop fighting the truth.
@ImLDSRU2 Well then, educate me on what lies were in the Expositor. I'd love to hear a good fable.
It's well known that Joseph was a polygamist, and it's well known that he denied it. The Expositor was the first time Smith got called on his B.S. and secrecy, and that's why he had it destroyed. Everyone know that, except maybe Mormons.
@ImLDSRU2 Hey, I'm glad you admit it. That's more than I can say for most Mormons who get read in the face and start saying no one can prove he was a polygamist.
@ImLDSRU2 Most Mormons I know try to say that his polygamy doesn't matter or that there's no proof of it. They may "know it" but getting them to admit it is like twisting someone's arm. Honest and truly, you're the first Mormon I've met who said they were glad he was a polygamist.
You think JS just did that for fun? . Mormons practiced polygamy because people who hated us would kill us and when the men died, the woman had no one to take care of them and their children. So Joseph Smith took care of them.
Brigham Young said you are damned if you deny polygamy.
"Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned," (Journal of Discourses, vol. 3, p. 266). Also, "The only men who become Gods, even the Sons of God, are those who enter into polygamy," (Journal of Discourses, vol. 11, p. 269).
@monkeyfacear1974 You need to go to the church geneaology site to find that Joseph Smith had more than 30 wives, many of whom were under 20 years of age.
@dorisfenella Oh and because some of them were older, that makes polygamy okay? What kind of mental gymnastics does one have to go through to not admit a 40 year old marrying and having sex with a 14 year old is a pedophile?
To say some of the woman were unhappy with the polygamist marriages is comparable to say many woman (and men) are unhappy with monogamist marriages. Give me a break lady! Half of marriages today end in divorce and a majority of the ones that stay married are unhappy! Thanks for stating the obvious. I'm willing to guess that there is a higher divorce rate among monogamist marriages than there were with polygamist marriages.
@cevansroxy Wow you wrote alot. quick question. Did the girls married to Joseph Smith have the option of divorce? My understanding of marriage in the Mormon church is it lasted for eternity.
Joseph Smith's polygamous marriages to young women may seem difficult to understand or explain today, but in his own time such age differences were not typically an obstacle to marriage. The plural marriages were unusual, to say the least; the younger ages of the brides were much less so. Critics do not provide this perspective because they wish to shock the audience and have them judge Joseph by the standards of the modern era, rather than his own time.
@cevansroxy Marriage to n barely pubescent girl whose father was sent on a mission is just 'unusual'? Criminal, predatoryand pedophilic would be the right term.
It is significant that none of Joseph's contemporaries complained about the age differences between polygamous or monogamous marriage partners. This was simply part of their environment and culture; it is unfair to judge nineteenth century members by twenty-first century social standards.
The modern age limits in most states represent only the modern attitude. The age of consent under English common law was ten. United States law did not raise the age of consent until the late nineteenth century. In Joseph Smith's day, most states still had the declared age of consent to be ten. Some had raised it to twelve, and Delaware had lowered it to seven!
@cevansroxy The old 'it was not illegal so therefore its okay' argument does not fly. I cannot imagine how brainwashed a person would have to be to excuse or rationalize - or lionize - such a predatory pedophile.
Howard W. Hunter "Joseph Smith's...truthfulness...that he saw the Father and the Son... to the reality of that divine revelation. He was..to reestablish the true and living church, restored...as it existed in the day of the Savior's own mortal ministry...he said: 'I understand my mission and business. God Almighty is my shield; and what can man do if God is my friend? I shall not be sacrificed until my time comes; then I shall be offered freely'
"You don't know me; you never knew my heart. No man knows my history. I cannot tell it: I shall never undertake it. I don't blame any one for not believing my history. If I had not experienced what I have, I would not have believed it myself. I never did harm any man since I was born in the world. My voice is always for peace." Joseph Smith Jr.
Why was Joseph Smith persecuted? Why was he hunted from neighborhood to neighborhood, from city to city, and from State to State, and at last suffered death? Because he received revelations from the Father, from the Son, and was ministered to by holy angels, and published to the world the direct will of the Lord concerning his children on the earth. BRIGHAM YOUNG
As the mayor of the city, he had the right to order the destruction of a printing press because of slanderous propaganda.
Even moreso, he was not arrested for that, but arrested under FALSE pretenses that he started an unruly riot over the "destruction" of said printing press. They simply went over there and disaaembled the press and put it out of comission. The accusers made it sound like they were slamming it into pieces out in the streets and acting like animals.
@HomesliceDrummer No elected official in the US has nor ever had 'the right to order the destruction' of ANY PRIVATE PROPERTY. Your defense of Smith has made you intentionally blind to the laws of the United States. How sad.
@HomesliceDrummer Do you honestly believe being the mayor of a city gives a person the right to destroy personal property? Do you honestly believe that because Joseph Smith founded some insignificant cult-like pseudo Christian faith he is to be excused for having sex with 14 year olds? Do you honestly believe you need secret handshakes to get into heaven? If these questions cause you cognitive dissonance, good. They should. If they do not, then you are caught in a cult.
@HomesliceDrummer The city council voted wether to put the press out of action, when the vote came they were for it. then Joseph told the constable to ebate the problem. The bill of Rights was not afforded to the States officially until 1862 not 1844. The riots and mobs were such a threat to the entire state and the press being built to wieghlay the Mormons and support the mob was so severe they had to do as what was more important, the press or the safety of the citizens of Nauvoo.
"I am a lover of the cause of Christ and of virtue, chastity, and an upright, steady course of conduct and a holy walk. I despise a hypocrite or a covenant breaker. I judge them not; God shall judge them according to their works. I am a lover even of mine enemies, for an enemy seeketh to destroy openly. I can pray for those who despitefully use and persecute me, but for all I cannot hope."
@scottwins2 Abraham was sent to Hagar, only because Sarah told him to, not God. and it was because her lack off belief, God told Abraham he was to have a son with her, (Sarah), and after Sarah died Abraham married the third wife. You understand now? or you'll keep covering your prophets adulteres ways and wicked practices? and YES he did married other mans wives, it looks like you didn't know that, well, maybe there's lot of things u don' t know about ur prophet, I seggest u look into it. Peace
Joseph Smith was not a preditor, Polygamy was legal in the United States. What laws did he break? Your story is made up of assumptions. Your story of the sword and the angel is inaccurate and not true. This lady fills in the blanks with her own bias words. For information that may help that are accurate go to lds.org or fair lds.org
@scottwins2 No. For information that may help that are accurate go to the Bible. There you can find the truth. There is no other book in the world today that is more accurate and more truthful then the Bible. Joe WAS a preditor. If he wasn't, then why did he marry very young girls? HUH? He was a horn dog, a mason and a lier. You have been brainwashed dude!
@scottwins2 It doesn't matter if it was legal in the U.S. Is not legal before God. What? man in the OT took more than 1 wife? and so Joseph had the same right? lol. So God tol Jose to take other mans wives too? to be sealed? and the husbands didn't have a say in this? lol. How about little girls as 14? Yes? it was ok? lol again.
@scottwins2 He didn't. Lucinda Morgan Harris 1838 already married to George W Harris. Zina Hunting Jacobs Oct 1841 age 20 already married to Henry Jacobs. Presendia Huntington Buell Dec 1841 age 31 already married to Norman Buell.Sylvia Sessions Lyon Feb 1842 age 23 already married to Windsor Lyon. Mary Rollins Lightner Feb. 1842 age 23 already married to Adam Lightner. Patty Bartlett Sessions march 1842 age 47 already married to David Sessions.
@scottwins2 Marinda Johnson Hyde April 1842 age 27 already married to Orson Hyde. Elizabeth Davis Durfee June 1842 age 50 already married to Jabez Durfee. Sarah Kingsley Cleveland june 1842 age 53 already married John Cleveland. You want more?Keep in mind that just because the Bible mentions polygamy, does not mean that it condones it. Abraham took Hagar only with the purpose of conceiving an heir, and his action of doing so was the result of his lack of faith, not because God commanded it.
@scottwins2 There is no evidence that Abraham continued to have relations with Hagar once Ishmael was conceived. In fact, the evidence points against it. God was displeased with his lack of faith. And his “third” wife was not taken until after Sarah had died. As for Isaac, he never lived polygamy; at least the Bible makes no mention of any other wives besides Rebekah.
@scottwins2 As for Jacob, his polygamy was the source of a great deal of family heartache and dysfunction. He was never commanded to take additional wives; in fact, his own intention was to take only one, but family pressures and trickery pushed him into polygamy. Do you want to see more?
I am not trying to converse any hatred people just to defend my faith. why don´t you let LDS faith alone and continue reading their scriptures, being peaceful and respectful?. If J.S said something you don´t like you cannot change it. Don´t you realize that eing haters just clearly show how unchristian are all of you?
@dorisfenella Doris, no es que sea la gente odiosa, sino que en algun dia d las vidas d estas personas llega un momento donde tienen q levantarse por algo significativo, algo verdadero. Decir la verda, y confrontar mentiras no es unchristian, sino Christian. Si esta es su fe, sigala defendiendola, mas recuerde las palabras d Gordon B Hincley. Y ponga mucha attention.
@Chinaculiacan Recien acabo de ver todos tus disparos de comentarios se nota que ni siquiera has leido bien los mios. Me parece que usted es atropelladora por lo tanto no se puede hablar con usted educadamente. Solo para otros que hablan español: El mismo señor Compton dijo que estan tergiversando su estudio para tomar solo lo cuestionable segun oscuras conveniencias mas eso no es el fondo de su investigación. Mss Tanner= mentirosa
@dorisfenella Sus estudios o palabras olocuentes, o mis oscuras conveniencias, como dice usted, no cambian al Dios del universo, sus ojos no estan ciegos, sino su espiritu, y no le podria pedir q mirara las pruebas q pruebas su libro es solo una fabricasion d Jose. Mas es algo q usted dara cuenta ante el Padre.
@Chinaculiacan Que y tu te crees el brazo derecho de Dios, su asistente o que? Por favor no te das cuenta que tu proceder te pone en mal puerto.Cualquiera con sentido comun se daria cuenta que estas motivada por el odio. Es eso cristiano? La fe en Dios no depende de pruebas y deja de estar diciendo quien es cristiano y quien no por que no te corresponde para nada. En lo que a mi respecta no hay mas que hablar.
@dorisfenella AS a church we have critics, many of them, they say we don’t believe in the traditional Christ of Christianity; there is some substance to what they say. Our faith and knowledge, is NOT based on ancient tradition, our faith our knowledge comes from the witness of the prophet in this dispensation. Se da cuenta?, sino q como creyentes en el Cristo de la biblia, defendemos a q usted y muchos com usted no lleguen a saber quien es Dios. Proverbios 14:12
@Chinaculiacan Ya para no? eso no es algo nuevo para mi y es correcto aunque el quiza en realidad se esta refiriendo 100% a los miembros que nacieron dentro de la doctrina como el. Tu afirmacion se basa en un pensamiento excluyente. Cristo solo hay uno, el mismo que estuvo en Asia tambien estuvo en América y ya si no crees anda en paz y llenate con la Bibllia yo no me opongo ni digo que es falsa. Si declaraste una guerra por lo q dijo Josecito pues te arañas sola, no somos él.
@dorisfenella Asi es Doris, me llenare de la biblia, me llenare del Dios de Abraham Issack and Jacob. dice, no somos el, mas es muy triste decirlo, pero usted no puede ser SUD, si no antes ser expuesta a las mentiras y falsa profesias de Jose, en donde esta la Paz en eso? gozo? y mas importante q todo. La libertad? cuando dice solo hay un Cristo, en eso podemos estar d acuerdo, mas usted dice el Cristo de su libro, donde dice q fue consebido por su padre en el cielo, entre todas sus esposas?
@dorisfenella No soy el brazo derecho de Dios, Y Dios no necesita q lo defienda, el es poderoso, y no nos fumiga a usted y a mi, x su misericorida y amor, mas cuando usted defiende a un hombre y pone a Jesus como la segunda figura en su argumento, ahi si tenemos un gran problema. Haga lo q quiera, mas primero mire su biblia y preguntese a quien su fe tiene q ser puesta. Mas no espere poner sus palabras en los video y no esperar q alguien conteste, If u can't take the heat, stop typing.
@Chinaculiacan No paro por que tu me lo digas si no por mi misma ya te dije que eres maleducada, atropelladora y por que estas llena de mentira y odio.Un momento dijiste que nadie habia escarbado en cumorah y luego dijiste que ya lo habian hecho, tu sola te contradices. Y no creo que ni en toda la Biblia haya algo que te justifique asi que no voy a decir lo que tengas que hacer por que cuando tu me lo dices me suena de lo más falso y no quiero parecerme ni un poquito a ti. Bye bye
@dorisfenella si! use cualquier escusa, no me importa lo q me llame. al final soy una pecadora salva por gracia, mas usted es una persona perfecta q pertenece a una iglesia perfecta y a un profeta perfecto, Aha, y yo soy la Madre Teresa. Y quien le pidio q c paresiera ami? yo dije, por que nadie a habia escarbado? no q, nadie habia escarbado!! Aun, either way. No hay evidencias Doris, nada q respalde las palabras d Jose, en fin, siga creendo. Dios la bendiga.
@Chinaculiacan The Mormon church is NOT the perfect church. if it was, then why are blacks now allowed to hold the priesthood? God does not change his mind. In Joe's first vision, why did he say he say a pillar of fire, and later it was changed to a pillar of light? If the church is so perfect, why change his testimony? HUH? Because the Mormon church is a CULT! A satanic cult!
@dorisfenella Your comment about Joseph Smith, which I have repeated here says volumes about you and about Mormonism, none of it good.
'Traitors and tyrants are fight him in vain.'
You are calling exmormons traitors? You are calling non-mormons tyrants? Do you have any idea how bad that makes you and Mormonism look? I reckon you do not, or you would take that comment down.
@dorisfenella I told you not to contact me and I blocked you. Somehow you got around the block - twice. I am now reporting you to you tube for circumventing the block. Doris, this is called STALKING. Its like the love-bombing that your church does when it tries to get people to join. Its not acceptable.
@treehuggertwo Actually I speak spanish. I understood that you want me to reply here according to your previous comment here. I don´t like this page so I don´t have motives for stalking you. You are paranoid and don´t blame my church because of my lack of knowledge of english. Take care your soul don´t be bitter like this Tanner.
@dorisfenella sus creencias son vanas Doris, y esta ciega. me da lastima, mucha lastima. Me pregunto, q le da defender a este hombre? q siente? q la motiva? si usted me da una prueba q todo esto no es verdadero, le hago un trato, si usted me da una prueb
@dorisfenella sus creencias son vanas, Doris, si usted me comprueba q todo esto d Joe no es verdad, Si usted me da una evidencia que Sidum, Manti Jershon, Zarahamla, bountiful, todas esos ciudades existieron, asi como el libro d mormon lo dice, y me da una prueba arqueologica, Doris yo me voy a la iglesia de los santos, la reto a q me de evidencia q a jose no lo mataron x haber destruido una compania imprimidora, le reto q el no tubo mujeres d otros hombres, y me voy a su iglesia. La reto
@Chinaculiacan Ayer le preste más atención a la 2da cronica de Perú hecha por Cieza de León (1520-1554) y a la increible historia que le contaron los indios, cap V a quien llamaron "ticiviracocha" y lo compare con la visita de Jesús relatada en el libro de mormon mi sorpresa es enorme al ver como encajan y todo lo que esto significaría: Jesus estuvo en el Perú! en realidad toda la crónica se condice con BOM. José Smith fue un profeta verdadero.
@dorisfenella •Por que no hay mapas en el libro del mormon? Solo hay fotos, cualquiera puede poner fotos. No hay mapas, ensenando tierras en el libro del mormon, sabe por que? becuase you can’t place it on Earth. Usted sabe donde estan? En donde estan los coins q habla en alma? Una civilizasion como la que habla su libro, tiene q dejar marcars, como, caminos, coins, records escritos. En fin
@dorisfenella There were beasts in the forest of every kind both the cow and ox, and the ass and horse, and the goat and the wild goat, and all Mosiah 9:9 and we began to till the ground, even with all manner of seeds, with seed of wheat and barley. Doris, there are no evidence of the plants or animals, all there is, is llamas, turkeys and dogs, for the seeds are only, corn beans and squash , there are no wheat or barley in ancient Americans, me entiende Doris? No hay coddle sheep goats.
@Chinaculiacan Pruebas arqueológicas : El mirador encontrado en guatamala de la civilización de los mayas, Nahom, Shabwah, los murales de Bonanpack: lamanitas vs nefitas, las culturas prehispanicas (complex cities - Book of mormon evidence), la estela 5 de Izapa. Ademas respaldan la veracidad del libro de mormon: el libro de Ixtlilxochitl, las crónicas de Cieza de León que los indios tenian conocimiento del diluvio la confusin de lenguas y el bautismo, la leyenda de un Dios blanco.
@dorisfenella You can’t make a geography, because there is no real world settings for the event describe in the book of Mormon, I can’t agree upon in it, anytime I tried to attempt to put it in the real world settings, I have to distort either that real world setting, or the text itself Doris, do you understand me? Takes no official position on geography of the book of Mormon, the obvious reason is, (that the events never took place.)
@dorisfenella En donde estan los artefactos? si usted solo esta implicando d que hay una conecsion, entonces eso no una prueba concreta, si usted me dice, en donde esta Ejipto? Ciudad d David? Jerico? Nazareth? Jerusalem? etc, Yo le puedo comprobar arqueologicamente en donde estan, prueba q la biblia es verdadera. La civilasion d Canan, hay pruebas q ellos existieron, dejaron, templos, ruinas, destrucsion, aun dishes donde ellos comian, mas su libro habla d grandes ciudades, pero nada.
@dorisfenella En el libro de helaman 3:15 dice, lo dire en inlges, ya q tengo flogera de traducir, 15 But but behold, there are many books and many records of every kind, and they have been kept chiefly by the Nephites. Una cosa q c mensiona de los Nephites es q era una cultura de escritura, ahora, una cultura d escritura dejan escrituras y marcars. Si un inperio como d ellos, y llega a estar hasta mil anos en esta tierra y q dices q eran literarios.
@dorisfenella Y q no ahiga ninguna literatura comprobando su existencia es simplemente algo fantasioso, Doris is there any document trail for the book of mormon? Are there any texts? That we can go to? Me dira, claro, hasta 1830, pero entre los eventos in el libro del mormon q segun termino en 400 AD y la primera rastra documentaria es 1400 anos, antes d poder encontrar alguna prueba documentaria, que me dice esto, que el Libro del Mormon solo fue construida por un hombre, este hombre fue jose
@dorisfenella Roman coins being used in the day of Jesus in the first century AD
Chapter 11 says Nephites coinage set forth, than it goes through and describes how the money system, of the book of Mormon worked, if we take this images of coins we find In the book of Mormon, and contrast them to the system of exchange in place of ancient Americas, we find that they are not at all alike, there were no metallic coins being used. The book of Mormon is that flat out wrong
@dorisfenella La arqueologia nunca miente, no se puede tener una civilzationes tan grandes y no dejar ninguna rastra de ellos, pruebas, evidencias, q dejan saber su origen, ellos tienen q dejar sus tumbas, los pilares de sus casas, templos. etc. Si usted le pregunta a un Hebreo que hable en Egypsio reformado, le preguntara, que es egypsio reformado? how can a hebrew learn how to speak egyptian reform around 600 BC?
The footnote of the book of Mormon, suggested that the lenamites exterminations of the Nephites took place around 400 AD, yet it left no archeological evidence, by contrast, a much smaller battler that happened centuries earlier in the 1st century AD. In Palestine, demonstrates what one can expect to find, if the battle like the one describes in the book of Mormon had really accrued. Si me explico Doris? con todo lo que le eh mandado? fotos no pueden ser fundamentos.
@dorisfenella Doris, porque no la iglesia escaba en nueva york The HIll Cumorah? y si lo an hecho, an encontrado algo? digame. xq no escarban? sabe xq? xq eso comprobaria que entan en un error y q las cosas q jose escribio son mentiras.
@dorisfenella Despues de tanto error econtrado en el libro de Mormon, esta es su unica pregunta? Ya escarbaron, y sabe q? no encontraron nada, ninguna evidencia d tales guerras, NADA. Probervios 28:26. El que confia en su propio corazon es necio, mas el q camina en sabiduria sera librado. En su mente siempre esta la frase, Se que la iglesia es verdadera, esta comprobado arqueologicamente q el Libro es falso. Seguire con la biblia. Isais 40:8.b Mas la palbra dl Dios nuestro permance para siemnpre
@Chinaculiacan Mormons are not Christians because they believe the words of a lier. His prophesies did not come true, so how can he be a true prophet of god, and how can the Mormon church be the true church when it's founding prophet was a false prophet? I used to be a blind mormon, but my eyes were opened to the truth of the TRUE word of God, the Holy Bible, and to the lies the Mormon church teaches. I thank God I am free at last! Free from Mormon Bondage!
@dorisfenella En Ether 9:19, Horses and there were elephants. Los mayas no tenian caballos, la unica vez que miraron un caballo en las Americas fue en 1677 cuando un hombre blanco llego cabaleando. 1 Nephi 18:25 And we did find all manner of “ore. Both of Gold and silver, and copper, No se a encontrado ningun lugar donde alguien pueda decir q en ese lugar se derretia metal oro o cobre. Entonces como los Jeridites y los niphites usaron armaduras de metal?
The funny thing about christians is that they totally ignore that all of their heros in the old testament had multiple wives too. So why do they hate the mormons so much?
They were not wives, they were concubines; if a wife couldn't bear children she had to give her handmaid as a concubine to her husband so she can continue his family line; children and family tree were important in those days, the Mormons don't care about that.
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I honestly believe that Joseph Smith was what we'd call today a "sex addict" (think Tiger Woods) who just continually needed someone new to have sex with. Of course, this is absolutely no excuse for how he treated his wife and for having sex with young teenage girls (as young as 14). What's really awful is that he used his power and position over these girls and women to pressure them into relationships with him. There's evidence he started cheating on Emma very soon after their marriage.
WoooW!!! How old is this lady!!!?? She talks as if she had been there!!! I bet we can ask her about Abraham and she would give "explicit details" on Abraham's wives!!!... Hehehehehe
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The bottom line is that the priesthood would be commanded by another priesthood leader above them to take more than one wife; they did not just nilly-willy-dally and decide, "I want more than one wife today to get my rocks off!" Mostly they did not choose for themselves; someone else chose for them. Also, they had to work very hard and pray and sweat to support their families while living in and making the wilderness blossom and take care of and feed and teach and raise large families. Fun, huh!
Continued: So far the only explanation I have heard is a man-made clarification that because Jesus Christ fulfilled the law and wrought out our Salvation and made all things new, there is no more polygamy because there is no more mention of it in the New Testament. Again, that is all conjecture; a revelation is needed from God to clarify since we know that the Bible is a compilation of some books written by Jesus' authorized servants but not all.
@ TheEternalPunk : Moses stated Thou shalt not commit adultery when he was married to more than one wife. Only an honest seeker of truth who sees this in the Bible -- like the historical record states that Joseph was -- would ask God about why he would allow such a thing. Also, Polygamy existed in God's Kingdom BEFORE the lesser or Mosaic law was instituted with the house of Israel, for example, with Abraham. What other Christian religion has tried to clarify this?
@ TheEternalPunk : D&C 101:4 does not talk about polygamy. Jacob 2:27 does, stating God prefers that his people only have one wife. Less than five percent of priesthood holders practiced polygamy in early Mormon History. Now, you conveniently left out all of D&C 132, where the Lord explains to Joseph and CLARIFIES WHY he allowed some of his prophets to have more than one wife: to raise righteous men and women in righteous homes to further His Kingdom.
Sandra claims that Joseph applied psychological pressure on these young women to force them to enter into polygamy with him, when accounts written by some of these women discredit her claims. So, if he was trying to get sex out of numerous partners, one of them should have became pregnant. Where are the kids? the only known kids are with Emma Smith. Also, God discontinued polygamy via revelation to Willford Woodruff, the fourth Pres. of the Church. The 60,000 current polygamists are not LDS.
No one called Solomon and David and Moses sexual predators because they became MARRIED to more than one wife. And these were prophets of God in the Bible. Also, to make a historical comparison to our own day, most men and women today have had more than eleven or seven sexual partners OUTSIDE and INSIDE of marriage, with our advanced contraceptives. Surely if Joseph was using contraceptives and having all that supposed sex, someone would have known. Again, one should pray about it and ask God.
Also, Polygamy was very foreign to Joseph Smith, but he was commanded to enter into plural marriage, since scripture clearly states that the last days would be when all things would be restored. This would then include polygamy that existed before the Mosaic Law. Also, marriage was very common for those sixteen years of age in Joseph's time. In fact, in medieval times, most women were married around thirteen years of age, and became grandma by their early thirties if they survived childbirth.
Sorry, I do not wish to contend, but if Joseph Smith was really a sexual predator, where are all his illegitimate children? This important fact is kept out of this explanation; surely if he was preying on so many women that she claims, statistically he would have had to slip up and made one of them pregnant . It is one thing to be married to numerous wives, and quite another to actually have sex with them.
Aparently this lady does not understand early American history to the point were she would know 16 in the 1800's was totaly a common age of marriage she is applying today's standards on back then what was concidered. Normal
1838 (continued) - Joseph Smith goes on a polygamyfest taking more than 30 wives 11 of which already had husbands. God doesn't seem to mind.
1843 - Polygamy is official as well as eternal! Joseph Smith bears his testimony of this wondrous principle by publicly denying he ever practiced it. God still doesn't seem to mind.
Mormons, the information presented in this clip is historically accurate and can be verified by you through a process known as research. Why would your god sanction such abhorrent behavior in a supposed prophet? Where was Lucy's "free agency?" As one of her descendants, I am ashamed that I once counted Smith as honorable & virtuous.
Please research. The Mormon Church is not what it claims to be. Perhaps this site run by active Mormons will aid you in your studies:
polygamy was ordained of God, if not ISAAC AND JACOB, and ABRAHAM who we all admire , and followed Jehovah's every footstep would be in error, and Jehovah would be in error. However, in our finite mind we cannot obtain higher revelations..if we dont have an open heart. SHe forgets how much JOseph smith dragged his feet, also he predessor Brigham Young because they didnt want to do it. However, Revelation came to them, and they knew it was ordained of God.
I don't need to do anything to show LDS isn't a cult. LDS i s not a cult, only dishonest idiots such as yourself portray it as such.
If LDS is a cult, then so is every single religion in th eentire world.
Grow up and get a grip.
Everybody knows how deceitful this woman is. All of her presentartions are exteemely biased and so are her books, which have been torn apart for their bias and bullshit.
Go look into the matters for yourself, don't let others think for you. Have the courage to look at 20truths . info which presents info from both sides, and see what you think.
Sebastian 7908, Come on, Have you met Joseph Smith? How are you so sure he was worthy? Clearly you were conditioned to give this kind of unthinking response. Use your own free agency and research the topic.
This wretched old hag has nothing worth listening to. She's the most bias, only presenting information which supports her wretched and whorish motives. She will burn in hell for being a modern day Korihor.
@HomesliceDrummer I suppose in a way they were, but it was a cultural thing for them. They didn't claim an angel with a drawn sword told them to practice polygamy or else.
You're the one who believes he can become a god and I'm the one who's ridiculous? Go figure.
Early christians practiced polygamy as well. Oh yes. Even in the NT Paul says a bishop is to be the husband of one wife. If that wasn't already the only expected scenario, why would he specify such a thing? It goes without saying right? Or perhaps there was an alternate marital secnario in which people could have more than one wife.
Secular history proves it, though the NT has subtle suggestions about it.
And being "cultural" doesn't mean you can commit adultery by having many wives unless God commands you to do so, therein it is not adultery.
Either God commanded polygamy or Abraham and Jacob were adulterers. I guarantee that they were not adulterers therefore it was commanded by God. Simple logic.
@HomesliceDrummer Polygamy was never commanded by God, so yes they were adulterers. Please give your reference for early Christians who practiced polygamy.
It never ceases to amaze me at how giddy Mormon men are with the idea of having more than one wife.
Oh, do I sound giddy about polygamy? You got that way wrong, dork.
So, you are saying that God allowed Abraham, Jacob and other of his called prophets to be unrepentant adulterers their entire lives and they get to go to heaven? Honestly, just listen to what you are saying. You don't have a clue in all honesty.
Just admit that God's prophets have been permitted to practice polygamy by God all throughout the bible and then quit pointing fingers at God's modern prophet for doing the same thing for the same reason the others did so.
Don't hold a double standard, it's extremely hypocritical.
@GraceAlone71 Grace anyone who worships a child molestor and a man who claimed he was better then Jesus Christ like the way joseph smith did, is someone that I do NOT want near my children
@HomesliceDummerthanarock & if Sandra did present some supposed moment when PERVERT Joseph Smith appeared to be prophetic what would it really accomplish? MORmONS are not happy until Smith is worshipped,speaking of one sided! as well the negative/ REALITY items you are whining about are still REALITY that completely dismiss any chance of PREDATOR Joe being any prophet of God. Too bad for you! Sandy would need 1000 more life times to even begin to lie as much as Gordon Hinckley. LDS =FRAUD!
Most polygamy accounts were 2nd and 3rd hand she makes it 3rd and 4th hand.
Joseph Smith was a great man so loved he was called "Brother Joseph".
scottwins2 4 days ago
There is real divine power associated with the LDS Church. Tryng to build a case against JS with second and third hand accounts doesn't proove a thing. JS had many enemys and , no doubt ,many gave false accounts of him. Christ was also wrongly accused of many things.
MrMFHORN 2 weeks ago
Easy, they could always say, "So what that she was sixteen, it beats the Islamic prophet Mohammed, who married Aisha when she was six."
Either way both those prophets were clowns, but Joseph Smith and his followers are something else. At least Mohammed is relatively shrouded in *some* mystery, Joseph was a known charlatan in this day and age and people STILL follow him.
thelordmemnoch 2 months ago
I accept Christ as my Savior, and I know He is my Lord. I believe in following his commandments and that he foretold the coming of false prophets. One of those false prophets is Joseph Smith.
Nepthu 2 months ago
@Nepthu It is impossible to accept Jesus while fighting against Him. That is what you are pretending to do. It is fake.
you are anti-Christ. I urge you to repent. Come to Christ. He will heal you.
ImLDSRU2 2 months ago
@ImLDSRU2 come to the real, true and living Christ of the Bible. Joseph Smith said: I have more to boast of than any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor JESUS NEVER DID IT. I boast that NO MAN ever did such work as I (History of the Church, Vol.6, pp. 408-09).
A true servant of Christ does not claim to have accomplished more than the Christ.
Nepthu 2 months ago
@ImLDSRU2 I do not mean to hurt you, but I sincerely believe that you are deceived. Please pray for help and stick to your Bible rather than the man made temple worship that Joseph Smith crafted from the Masons!
You cannot fully know Jesus when you are following a false prophet like Joseph Smith.
It is easy to dismiss others as "anti-Christs" but you must hear the message: Jesus is the way. It's not Jesus plus Joseph's teachings. It's Jesus ALONE.
Nepthu 2 months ago
@Nepthu You are surely lying. Anti-Christs do not have the truth in them and you are lying. You do intend to hurt me. You have no ability to do any good thing.. only harm.
You need to repent and come to Christ.
ImLDSRU2 2 months ago
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@ImLDSRU2 Believe what you will, but at least visit utlm (dot) org Sandra Tanner's website.
Nepthu 2 months ago
This was a crazy video. I dodnt know any of this stuff. J smith was a terrible guy
meshlife 3 months ago
Oh and by the way Scott, tell us all where polygamy was legal in 1840. Do not try to weasel out of it by saying some territory. Polygamy was never legal and the LDS had to agree to outlaw it before Utah joined the union.
treehuggertwo 3 months ago
Joseph Smith was not arrested, he was served a Mitmass which was not a legal document in Carthage. It takes a hearing in front of a Judge by a Sheriff or Constable to get a Mitmiss this was not done but faked by the Constable. Joseph Smith did not plot to destroy the press, the city coucel decided that the press was a greater danger to the public than any free print. You also have to remember that the Bill of Rights was not afforded the states until 1862 and was not in effect to the States.
scottwins2 3 months ago
@scottwins2 Actually, Dallin Oaks reviewed the legal situation regarding the idea that a Newspaper could be declared a public nuisance and banned. Turns out that, in fact, this was not the only time it happened and at that time, it was not illegal for a city, (especially Nauvoo -- which had a unique charter) to have the legal authority to do this.
The Constitutional prescription about "freedom of expression", was not the same then as it is now.
ImLDSRU2 3 months ago
@ImLDSRU2 Oaks also said that the owners of the press could have easily sued for damages. The real gem of the Nauvoo Expositor is that it revealed Joseph Smith's secret practice of Polygamy.
Joseph had been condemning polygamy in public but practicing it in private. Fellow Mormon, William Law, was disgusted by this hypocrisy and exposed Smith in the paper. In retaliation, Smith had the press destroyed.
And just like Smith, Mormons like you can't stand it when uncomfortable truths come out!
Nepthu 2 months ago
@Nepthu Yes, anyone can easily sue for anything. I could sue you for having too many warts on your back.
The question is.. will the suit be successful.
The bottom line is that a newspaper could be declared a legal nuisance and banned. This was not novel legal theory at the time.... it had happened many times before.
And guess what? The authorities were never successfully sued.
ImLDSRU2 2 months ago
@ImLDSRU2 No one sued because Smith was dead. Why bother suing a dead person? Was it legal for him to sneak a gun into his jail cell too?
Nepthu 2 months ago
@Nepthu The entity that was subject to lawsuit was the Nauvoo City Council. They are the ones who issued the order to destroy the Press.
That you do not know this does not make you smart.
ImLDSRU2 2 months ago
@ImLDSRU2 Joseph was the mayor wasn't he? The Expositor was against Smith not the city council. Once he died, there was no reason to sue the city council.
Nepthu 2 months ago
@Nepthu Yes, he was the Mayor. As Mayor, he had almost nothing to do with the matter. The Expositor was condemned by the Council, not by Smith.
You are anti-Christ and the truth is not in you.
ImLDSRU2 2 months ago
@ImLDSRU2 Oh, so you're saying that Smith had no influence over the city council?
I'm anti-Christ because I bring up facts about Smith keeping a gun in his jail cell? Wow, I thought we were starting to become friends. I actually like talking to a Mormon who is upfront and doesn't pretend that polygamy didn't start with Smith.
Nepthu 2 months ago
@Nepthu No, You are anti-Christ not because of facts you bring up, but because you hate the work of Christ in the world.
ImLDSRU2 2 months ago
@ImLDSRU2 Gosh, we just met and you're throwing out all these accusations. What makes you think I hate the works of Christ? I love Christ! I just think Joseph is a scam artist is all.
Nepthu 2 months ago
@Nepthu No, I have dealt with you before. You are anti-Christ. You reject the Lord.
ImLDSRU2 2 months ago
@ImLDSRU2 Really? I don't remember any Mormon being as upfront as you, but I guess you couldn't deal with some evidence in the past, so you start spewing the "You reject the Lord" stuff. I reject Joseph Smith, not the Lord. It's sad that you think they are one in the same.
Nepthu 2 months ago
@Nepthu I accept that your memory is defective. The light of truth is not in you, you are filled with darkness and not able to have normal cognitive skills. This, however, does not excuse you. It is a choice you have made to reject your Savior and fight against His saints.
ImLDSRU2 2 months ago
@ImLDSRU2 I rebuke you in the name of the Lord and pray that you will listen to good people like Sandra Tanner who was saved from the darkness of Joseph Smith and his lies. I truly do hope you will wake up and stop fighting the truth.
Nepthu 2 months ago
@Nepthu As anti-Christ your pretension at rebuking in the name of whatever Lord you pretend to, is ineffective.
Jesus is the Savior and the only Lord. You need to repent and come to Christ. He will help you.
ImLDSRU2 2 months ago
@Nepthu You seem to not entirely grasp the lies of the Nauvoo expositor. Nor do you have any grasp of what I consider uncomfortable.
Seems that you are not as bright as you think you are.
ImLDSRU2 2 months ago
@ImLDSRU2 Well then, educate me on what lies were in the Expositor. I'd love to hear a good fable.
It's well known that Joseph was a polygamist, and it's well known that he denied it. The Expositor was the first time Smith got called on his B.S. and secrecy, and that's why he had it destroyed. Everyone know that, except maybe Mormons.
Nepthu 2 months ago
@Nepthu If you would love to hear a good fable, You will need to talk with someone else.
What makes you think that I have a problem with Joseph Smith being polygamist? I *like* it that he was.
ImLDSRU2 2 months ago
@ImLDSRU2 Hey, I'm glad you admit it. That's more than I can say for most Mormons who get read in the face and start saying no one can prove he was a polygamist.
Nepthu 2 months ago
@Nepthu You are a liar and an anti-Christ. Mormons know he was polygamist. That you claim they don't is just part of your lying nature.
ImLDSRU2 2 months ago
@ImLDSRU2 Most Mormons I know try to say that his polygamy doesn't matter or that there's no proof of it. They may "know it" but getting them to admit it is like twisting someone's arm. Honest and truly, you're the first Mormon I've met who said they were glad he was a polygamist.
Nepthu 2 months ago
@Nepthu You are lying It is your nature as anti-Christ.
ImLDSRU2 2 months ago
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You think JS just did that for fun? . Mormons practiced polygamy because people who hated us would kill us and when the men died, the woman had no one to take care of them and their children. So Joseph Smith took care of them.
dorisfenella 3 months ago
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dorisfenella 3 months ago
Joseph Smith=pedophile
amyleoness 4 months ago
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Brigham Young said you are damned if you deny polygamy.
"Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned," (Journal of Discourses, vol. 3, p. 266). Also, "The only men who become Gods, even the Sons of God, are those who enter into polygamy," (Journal of Discourses, vol. 11, p. 269).
blutowpi 4 months ago
this person is an ignorant...I think before I can believe what she is saying..I need to see proofs...It looks all made up...
I THINK THIS PERSON DOES NOT HAVE A LIFE...and thats why she has so much time to prepare this stupid talks....
monkeyfacear1974 4 months ago
@monkeyfacear1974 You need to go to the church geneaology site to find that Joseph Smith had more than 30 wives, many of whom were under 20 years of age.
treehuggertwo 3 months ago
@treehuggertwo And about 6 were about 50s
dorisfenella 3 months ago
@dorisfenella Oh and because some of them were older, that makes polygamy okay? What kind of mental gymnastics does one have to go through to not admit a 40 year old marrying and having sex with a 14 year old is a pedophile?
treehuggertwo 3 months ago
To say some of the woman were unhappy with the polygamist marriages is comparable to say many woman (and men) are unhappy with monogamist marriages. Give me a break lady! Half of marriages today end in divorce and a majority of the ones that stay married are unhappy! Thanks for stating the obvious. I'm willing to guess that there is a higher divorce rate among monogamist marriages than there were with polygamist marriages.
cevansroxy 5 months ago
@cevansroxy So are you saying polygamy life is better and living with that twisted brainwashing standard of life is better?
xz420dd 4 months ago
@cevansroxy Wow you wrote alot. quick question. Did the girls married to Joseph Smith have the option of divorce? My understanding of marriage in the Mormon church is it lasted for eternity.
Potomiso 4 months ago
Joseph Smith's polygamous marriages to young women may seem difficult to understand or explain today, but in his own time such age differences were not typically an obstacle to marriage. The plural marriages were unusual, to say the least; the younger ages of the brides were much less so. Critics do not provide this perspective because they wish to shock the audience and have them judge Joseph by the standards of the modern era, rather than his own time.
cevansroxy 5 months ago
@cevansroxy Marriage to n barely pubescent girl whose father was sent on a mission is just 'unusual'? Criminal, predatoryand pedophilic would be the right term.
treehuggertwo 3 months ago
It is significant that none of Joseph's contemporaries complained about the age differences between polygamous or monogamous marriage partners. This was simply part of their environment and culture; it is unfair to judge nineteenth century members by twenty-first century social standards.
cevansroxy 5 months ago
@cevansroxy Plenty of his contemporaries complained about it - to the point that the Mormons were on the run.
treehuggertwo 3 months ago
The modern age limits in most states represent only the modern attitude. The age of consent under English common law was ten. United States law did not raise the age of consent until the late nineteenth century. In Joseph Smith's day, most states still had the declared age of consent to be ten. Some had raised it to twelve, and Delaware had lowered it to seven!
cevansroxy 5 months ago
@cevansroxy The old 'it was not illegal so therefore its okay' argument does not fly. I cannot imagine how brainwashed a person would have to be to excuse or rationalize - or lionize - such a predatory pedophile.
treehuggertwo 3 months ago
@treehuggertwo No other offsprings except with Emma.
dorisfenella 3 months ago
Howard W. Hunter "Joseph Smith's...truthfulness...that he saw the Father and the Son... to the reality of that divine revelation. He was..to reestablish the true and living church, restored...as it existed in the day of the Savior's own mortal ministry...he said: 'I understand my mission and business. God Almighty is my shield; and what can man do if God is my friend? I shall not be sacrificed until my time comes; then I shall be offered freely'
scottwins2 5 months ago
"You don't know me; you never knew my heart. No man knows my history. I cannot tell it: I shall never undertake it. I don't blame any one for not believing my history. If I had not experienced what I have, I would not have believed it myself. I never did harm any man since I was born in the world. My voice is always for peace." Joseph Smith Jr.
scottwins2 5 months ago
Why was Joseph Smith persecuted? Why was he hunted from neighborhood to neighborhood, from city to city, and from State to State, and at last suffered death? Because he received revelations from the Father, from the Son, and was ministered to by holy angels, and published to the world the direct will of the Lord concerning his children on the earth. BRIGHAM YOUNG
scottwins2 5 months ago
@scottwins2 He was arrested for plotting to destroy a printing press so that the news of his polygamous unions could not be published.
treehuggertwo 3 months ago
@treehuggertwo
As the mayor of the city, he had the right to order the destruction of a printing press because of slanderous propaganda.
Even moreso, he was not arrested for that, but arrested under FALSE pretenses that he started an unruly riot over the "destruction" of said printing press. They simply went over there and disaaembled the press and put it out of comission. The accusers made it sound like they were slamming it into pieces out in the streets and acting like animals.
HomesliceDrummer 3 months ago
@HomesliceDrummer No elected official in the US has nor ever had 'the right to order the destruction' of ANY PRIVATE PROPERTY. Your defense of Smith has made you intentionally blind to the laws of the United States. How sad.
treehuggertwo 3 months ago
@HomesliceDrummer Do you honestly believe being the mayor of a city gives a person the right to destroy personal property? Do you honestly believe that because Joseph Smith founded some insignificant cult-like pseudo Christian faith he is to be excused for having sex with 14 year olds? Do you honestly believe you need secret handshakes to get into heaven? If these questions cause you cognitive dissonance, good. They should. If they do not, then you are caught in a cult.
treehuggertwo 3 months ago
@HomesliceDrummer The city council voted wether to put the press out of action, when the vote came they were for it. then Joseph told the constable to ebate the problem. The bill of Rights was not afforded to the States officially until 1862 not 1844. The riots and mobs were such a threat to the entire state and the press being built to wieghlay the Mormons and support the mob was so severe they had to do as what was more important, the press or the safety of the citizens of Nauvoo.
scottwins2 3 months ago
@scottwins2 Scott.. which of Joseph's many versions of the first vision do you believe?
treehuggertwo 3 months ago
"I am a lover of the cause of Christ and of virtue, chastity, and an upright, steady course of conduct and a holy walk. I despise a hypocrite or a covenant breaker. I judge them not; God shall judge them according to their works. I am a lover even of mine enemies, for an enemy seeketh to destroy openly. I can pray for those who despitefully use and persecute me, but for all I cannot hope."
Joseph Smith Jr.
scottwins2 5 months ago
You for got Abraham
scottwins2 7 months ago
@scottwins2 Abraham was sent to Hagar, only because Sarah told him to, not God. and it was because her lack off belief, God told Abraham he was to have a son with her, (Sarah), and after Sarah died Abraham married the third wife. You understand now? or you'll keep covering your prophets adulteres ways and wicked practices? and YES he did married other mans wives, it looks like you didn't know that, well, maybe there's lot of things u don' t know about ur prophet, I seggest u look into it. Peace
Chinaculiacan 7 months ago
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superleonidas 7 months ago
Joseph Smith was not a preditor, Polygamy was legal in the United States. What laws did he break? Your story is made up of assumptions. Your story of the sword and the angel is inaccurate and not true. This lady fills in the blanks with her own bias words. For information that may help that are accurate go to lds.org or fair lds.org
scottwins2 8 months ago
@scottwins2 No. For information that may help that are accurate go to the Bible. There you can find the truth. There is no other book in the world today that is more accurate and more truthful then the Bible. Joe WAS a preditor. If he wasn't, then why did he marry very young girls? HUH? He was a horn dog, a mason and a lier. You have been brainwashed dude!
sirhood2 7 months ago
@scottwins2 It doesn't matter if it was legal in the U.S. Is not legal before God. What? man in the OT took more than 1 wife? and so Joseph had the same right? lol. So God tol Jose to take other mans wives too? to be sealed? and the husbands didn't have a say in this? lol. How about little girls as 14? Yes? it was ok? lol again.
Chinaculiacan 7 months ago
@Chinaculiacan Your follow the thinking of the Mob, Yes the prophets of the Old Testament practiced Polygmy. he did not marry other mens wives.
scottwins2 7 months ago
@scottwins2 He didn't. Lucinda Morgan Harris 1838 already married to George W Harris. Zina Hunting Jacobs Oct 1841 age 20 already married to Henry Jacobs. Presendia Huntington Buell Dec 1841 age 31 already married to Norman Buell.Sylvia Sessions Lyon Feb 1842 age 23 already married to Windsor Lyon. Mary Rollins Lightner Feb. 1842 age 23 already married to Adam Lightner. Patty Bartlett Sessions march 1842 age 47 already married to David Sessions.
Chinaculiacan 7 months ago
@scottwins2 Marinda Johnson Hyde April 1842 age 27 already married to Orson Hyde. Elizabeth Davis Durfee June 1842 age 50 already married to Jabez Durfee. Sarah Kingsley Cleveland june 1842 age 53 already married John Cleveland. You want more?Keep in mind that just because the Bible mentions polygamy, does not mean that it condones it. Abraham took Hagar only with the purpose of conceiving an heir, and his action of doing so was the result of his lack of faith, not because God commanded it.
Chinaculiacan 7 months ago
@scottwins2 There is no evidence that Abraham continued to have relations with Hagar once Ishmael was conceived. In fact, the evidence points against it. God was displeased with his lack of faith. And his “third” wife was not taken until after Sarah had died. As for Isaac, he never lived polygamy; at least the Bible makes no mention of any other wives besides Rebekah.
Chinaculiacan 7 months ago
@scottwins2 As for Jacob, his polygamy was the source of a great deal of family heartache and dysfunction. He was never commanded to take additional wives; in fact, his own intention was to take only one, but family pressures and trickery pushed him into polygamy. Do you want to see more?
Chinaculiacan 7 months ago
@scottwins2 Polygamy was NEVER legal in the United States of America.
treehuggertwo 3 months ago
@treehuggertwo Please show me the illegality of Polygamy in 1840. If your going to make a statement back it up.
scottwins2 3 months ago
I am not trying to converse any hatred people just to defend my faith. why don´t you let LDS faith alone and continue reading their scriptures, being peaceful and respectful?. If J.S said something you don´t like you cannot change it. Don´t you realize that eing haters just clearly show how unchristian are all of you?
dorisfenella 8 months ago
@dorisfenella Doris, no es que sea la gente odiosa, sino que en algun dia d las vidas d estas personas llega un momento donde tienen q levantarse por algo significativo, algo verdadero. Decir la verda, y confrontar mentiras no es unchristian, sino Christian. Si esta es su fe, sigala defendiendola, mas recuerde las palabras d Gordon B Hincley. Y ponga mucha attention.
Chinaculiacan 8 months ago
@Chinaculiacan Recien acabo de ver todos tus disparos de comentarios se nota que ni siquiera has leido bien los mios. Me parece que usted es atropelladora por lo tanto no se puede hablar con usted educadamente. Solo para otros que hablan español: El mismo señor Compton dijo que estan tergiversando su estudio para tomar solo lo cuestionable segun oscuras conveniencias mas eso no es el fondo de su investigación. Mss Tanner= mentirosa
dorisfenella 8 months ago
@dorisfenella Sus estudios o palabras olocuentes, o mis oscuras conveniencias, como dice usted, no cambian al Dios del universo, sus ojos no estan ciegos, sino su espiritu, y no le podria pedir q mirara las pruebas q pruebas su libro es solo una fabricasion d Jose. Mas es algo q usted dara cuenta ante el Padre.
Chinaculiacan 8 months ago
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dorisfenella 8 months ago
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@Chinaculiacan Que y tu te crees el brazo derecho de Dios, su asistente o que? Por favor no te das cuenta que tu proceder te pone en mal puerto.Cualquiera con sentido comun se daria cuenta que estas motivada por el odio. Es eso cristiano? La fe en Dios no depende de pruebas y deja de estar diciendo quien es cristiano y quien no por que no te corresponde para nada. En lo que a mi respecta no hay mas que hablar.
dorisfenella 8 months ago
@dorisfenella AS a church we have critics, many of them, they say we don’t believe in the traditional Christ of Christianity; there is some substance to what they say. Our faith and knowledge, is NOT based on ancient tradition, our faith our knowledge comes from the witness of the prophet in this dispensation. Se da cuenta?, sino q como creyentes en el Cristo de la biblia, defendemos a q usted y muchos com usted no lleguen a saber quien es Dios. Proverbios 14:12
Chinaculiacan 8 months ago
@Chinaculiacan Ya para no? eso no es algo nuevo para mi y es correcto aunque el quiza en realidad se esta refiriendo 100% a los miembros que nacieron dentro de la doctrina como el. Tu afirmacion se basa en un pensamiento excluyente. Cristo solo hay uno, el mismo que estuvo en Asia tambien estuvo en América y ya si no crees anda en paz y llenate con la Bibllia yo no me opongo ni digo que es falsa. Si declaraste una guerra por lo q dijo Josecito pues te arañas sola, no somos él.
dorisfenella 8 months ago
@dorisfenella Asi es Doris, me llenare de la biblia, me llenare del Dios de Abraham Issack and Jacob. dice, no somos el, mas es muy triste decirlo, pero usted no puede ser SUD, si no antes ser expuesta a las mentiras y falsa profesias de Jose, en donde esta la Paz en eso? gozo? y mas importante q todo. La libertad? cuando dice solo hay un Cristo, en eso podemos estar d acuerdo, mas usted dice el Cristo de su libro, donde dice q fue consebido por su padre en el cielo, entre todas sus esposas?
Chinaculiacan 8 months ago
@dorisfenella No soy el brazo derecho de Dios, Y Dios no necesita q lo defienda, el es poderoso, y no nos fumiga a usted y a mi, x su misericorida y amor, mas cuando usted defiende a un hombre y pone a Jesus como la segunda figura en su argumento, ahi si tenemos un gran problema. Haga lo q quiera, mas primero mire su biblia y preguntese a quien su fe tiene q ser puesta. Mas no espere poner sus palabras en los video y no esperar q alguien conteste, If u can't take the heat, stop typing.
Chinaculiacan 8 months ago
@Chinaculiacan No paro por que tu me lo digas si no por mi misma ya te dije que eres maleducada, atropelladora y por que estas llena de mentira y odio.Un momento dijiste que nadie habia escarbado en cumorah y luego dijiste que ya lo habian hecho, tu sola te contradices. Y no creo que ni en toda la Biblia haya algo que te justifique asi que no voy a decir lo que tengas que hacer por que cuando tu me lo dices me suena de lo más falso y no quiero parecerme ni un poquito a ti. Bye bye
dorisfenella 8 months ago
@dorisfenella si! use cualquier escusa, no me importa lo q me llame. al final soy una pecadora salva por gracia, mas usted es una persona perfecta q pertenece a una iglesia perfecta y a un profeta perfecto, Aha, y yo soy la Madre Teresa. Y quien le pidio q c paresiera ami? yo dije, por que nadie a habia escarbado? no q, nadie habia escarbado!! Aun, either way. No hay evidencias Doris, nada q respalde las palabras d Jose, en fin, siga creendo. Dios la bendiga.
Chinaculiacan 8 months ago
@Chinaculiacan The Mormon church is NOT the perfect church. if it was, then why are blacks now allowed to hold the priesthood? God does not change his mind. In Joe's first vision, why did he say he say a pillar of fire, and later it was changed to a pillar of light? If the church is so perfect, why change his testimony? HUH? Because the Mormon church is a CULT! A satanic cult!
sirhood2 7 months ago
@dorisfenella Your comment about Joseph Smith, which I have repeated here says volumes about you and about Mormonism, none of it good.
'Traitors and tyrants are fight him in vain.'
You are calling exmormons traitors? You are calling non-mormons tyrants? Do you have any idea how bad that makes you and Mormonism look? I reckon you do not, or you would take that comment down.
treehuggertwo 3 months ago
@treehuggertwo I sent you a reply.
dorisfenella 3 months ago
@dorisfenella I do not take youtube replies. If you have something to reply. say in in the open forum here in YouTube.
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dorisfenella 3 months ago
@treehuggertwo Take care your soul. I take care mine so I can´t stand Tanner.
Most ex mormon are bitter, this is the general opinion,not only me.
dorisfenella 3 months ago
@dorisfenella I told you not to contact me and I blocked you. Somehow you got around the block - twice. I am now reporting you to you tube for circumventing the block. Doris, this is called STALKING. Its like the love-bombing that your church does when it tries to get people to join. Its not acceptable.
treehuggertwo 3 months ago
@treehuggertwo Actually I speak spanish. I understood that you want me to reply here according to your previous comment here. I don´t like this page so I don´t have motives for stalking you. You are paranoid and don´t blame my church because of my lack of knowledge of english. Take care your soul don´t be bitter like this Tanner.
dorisfenella 3 months ago
Traitors and tyrants are fight him in vain!
dorisfenella 8 months ago
@dorisfenella sus creencias son vanas Doris, y esta ciega. me da lastima, mucha lastima. Me pregunto, q le da defender a este hombre? q siente? q la motiva? si usted me da una prueba q todo esto no es verdadero, le hago un trato, si usted me da una prueb
Chinaculiacan 8 months ago
@dorisfenella sus creencias son vanas, Doris, si usted me comprueba q todo esto d Joe no es verdad, Si usted me da una evidencia que Sidum, Manti Jershon, Zarahamla, bountiful, todas esos ciudades existieron, asi como el libro d mormon lo dice, y me da una prueba arqueologica, Doris yo me voy a la iglesia de los santos, la reto a q me de evidencia q a jose no lo mataron x haber destruido una compania imprimidora, le reto q el no tubo mujeres d otros hombres, y me voy a su iglesia. La reto
Chinaculiacan 8 months ago
@Chinaculiacan Ayer le preste más atención a la 2da cronica de Perú hecha por Cieza de León (1520-1554) y a la increible historia que le contaron los indios, cap V a quien llamaron "ticiviracocha" y lo compare con la visita de Jesús relatada en el libro de mormon mi sorpresa es enorme al ver como encajan y todo lo que esto significaría: Jesus estuvo en el Perú! en realidad toda la crónica se condice con BOM. José Smith fue un profeta verdadero.
dorisfenella 8 months ago
@dorisfenella •Por que no hay mapas en el libro del mormon? Solo hay fotos, cualquiera puede poner fotos. No hay mapas, ensenando tierras en el libro del mormon, sabe por que? becuase you can’t place it on Earth. Usted sabe donde estan? En donde estan los coins q habla en alma? Una civilizasion como la que habla su libro, tiene q dejar marcars, como, caminos, coins, records escritos. En fin
Chinaculiacan 8 months ago
@dorisfenella There were beasts in the forest of every kind both the cow and ox, and the ass and horse, and the goat and the wild goat, and all Mosiah 9:9 and we began to till the ground, even with all manner of seeds, with seed of wheat and barley. Doris, there are no evidence of the plants or animals, all there is, is llamas, turkeys and dogs, for the seeds are only, corn beans and squash , there are no wheat or barley in ancient Americans, me entiende Doris? No hay coddle sheep goats.
Chinaculiacan 8 months ago
@Chinaculiacan Pruebas arqueológicas : El mirador encontrado en guatamala de la civilización de los mayas, Nahom, Shabwah, los murales de Bonanpack: lamanitas vs nefitas, las culturas prehispanicas (complex cities - Book of mormon evidence), la estela 5 de Izapa. Ademas respaldan la veracidad del libro de mormon: el libro de Ixtlilxochitl, las crónicas de Cieza de León que los indios tenian conocimiento del diluvio la confusin de lenguas y el bautismo, la leyenda de un Dios blanco.
dorisfenella 8 months ago
@dorisfenella You can’t make a geography, because there is no real world settings for the event describe in the book of Mormon, I can’t agree upon in it, anytime I tried to attempt to put it in the real world settings, I have to distort either that real world setting, or the text itself Doris, do you understand me? Takes no official position on geography of the book of Mormon, the obvious reason is, (that the events never took place.)
Chinaculiacan 8 months ago
@dorisfenella En donde estan los artefactos? si usted solo esta implicando d que hay una conecsion, entonces eso no una prueba concreta, si usted me dice, en donde esta Ejipto? Ciudad d David? Jerico? Nazareth? Jerusalem? etc, Yo le puedo comprobar arqueologicamente en donde estan, prueba q la biblia es verdadera. La civilasion d Canan, hay pruebas q ellos existieron, dejaron, templos, ruinas, destrucsion, aun dishes donde ellos comian, mas su libro habla d grandes ciudades, pero nada.
Chinaculiacan 8 months ago
@dorisfenella En el libro de helaman 3:15 dice, lo dire en inlges, ya q tengo flogera de traducir, 15 But but behold, there are many books and many records of every kind, and they have been kept chiefly by the Nephites. Una cosa q c mensiona de los Nephites es q era una cultura de escritura, ahora, una cultura d escritura dejan escrituras y marcars. Si un inperio como d ellos, y llega a estar hasta mil anos en esta tierra y q dices q eran literarios.
Chinaculiacan 8 months ago
@dorisfenella Y q no ahiga ninguna literatura comprobando su existencia es simplemente algo fantasioso, Doris is there any document trail for the book of mormon? Are there any texts? That we can go to? Me dira, claro, hasta 1830, pero entre los eventos in el libro del mormon q segun termino en 400 AD y la primera rastra documentaria es 1400 anos, antes d poder encontrar alguna prueba documentaria, que me dice esto, que el Libro del Mormon solo fue construida por un hombre, este hombre fue jose
Chinaculiacan 8 months ago
@dorisfenella Roman coins being used in the day of Jesus in the first century AD
Chapter 11 says Nephites coinage set forth, than it goes through and describes how the money system, of the book of Mormon worked, if we take this images of coins we find In the book of Mormon, and contrast them to the system of exchange in place of ancient Americas, we find that they are not at all alike, there were no metallic coins being used. The book of Mormon is that flat out wrong
Chinaculiacan 8 months ago
@dorisfenella La arqueologia nunca miente, no se puede tener una civilzationes tan grandes y no dejar ninguna rastra de ellos, pruebas, evidencias, q dejan saber su origen, ellos tienen q dejar sus tumbas, los pilares de sus casas, templos. etc. Si usted le pregunta a un Hebreo que hable en Egypsio reformado, le preguntara, que es egypsio reformado? how can a hebrew learn how to speak egyptian reform around 600 BC?
Chinaculiacan 8 months ago
@dorisfenella War
The footnote of the book of Mormon, suggested that the lenamites exterminations of the Nephites took place around 400 AD, yet it left no archeological evidence, by contrast, a much smaller battler that happened centuries earlier in the 1st century AD. In Palestine, demonstrates what one can expect to find, if the battle like the one describes in the book of Mormon had really accrued. Si me explico Doris? con todo lo que le eh mandado? fotos no pueden ser fundamentos.
Chinaculiacan 8 months ago
@dorisfenella Doris, porque no la iglesia escaba en nueva york The HIll Cumorah? y si lo an hecho, an encontrado algo? digame. xq no escarban? sabe xq? xq eso comprobaria que entan en un error y q las cosas q jose escribio son mentiras.
Chinaculiacan 8 months ago
@Chinaculiacan Y para que quisieras que escarben allá?
dorisfenella 8 months ago
@dorisfenella Despues de tanto error econtrado en el libro de Mormon, esta es su unica pregunta? Ya escarbaron, y sabe q? no encontraron nada, ninguna evidencia d tales guerras, NADA. Probervios 28:26. El que confia en su propio corazon es necio, mas el q camina en sabiduria sera librado. En su mente siempre esta la frase, Se que la iglesia es verdadera, esta comprobado arqueologicamente q el Libro es falso. Seguire con la biblia. Isais 40:8.b Mas la palbra dl Dios nuestro permance para siemnpre
Chinaculiacan 8 months ago
@Chinaculiacan Mormons are not Christians because they believe the words of a lier. His prophesies did not come true, so how can he be a true prophet of god, and how can the Mormon church be the true church when it's founding prophet was a false prophet? I used to be a blind mormon, but my eyes were opened to the truth of the TRUE word of God, the Holy Bible, and to the lies the Mormon church teaches. I thank God I am free at last! Free from Mormon Bondage!
sirhood2 7 months ago
@sirhood2 Amen :) Well said it. alleluya to the lamb of the Living God.
Chinaculiacan 7 months ago
@dorisfenella En Ether 9:19, Horses and there were elephants. Los mayas no tenian caballos, la unica vez que miraron un caballo en las Americas fue en 1677 cuando un hombre blanco llego cabaleando. 1 Nephi 18:25 And we did find all manner of “ore. Both of Gold and silver, and copper, No se a encontrado ningun lugar donde alguien pueda decir q en ese lugar se derretia metal oro o cobre. Entonces como los Jeridites y los niphites usaron armaduras de metal?
Chinaculiacan 8 months ago
There are a lot of wicked people posting a lot of lies about Joseph Smith here. Tanner appears to be the tip of the iceberg.
JackNimble61 9 months ago
The funny thing about christians is that they totally ignore that all of their heros in the old testament had multiple wives too. So why do they hate the mormons so much?
talon115 9 months ago
@talon115
They were not wives, they were concubines; if a wife couldn't bear children she had to give her handmaid as a concubine to her husband so she can continue his family line; children and family tree were important in those days, the Mormons don't care about that.
77Nectarine 9 months ago
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I honestly believe that Joseph Smith was what we'd call today a "sex addict" (think Tiger Woods) who just continually needed someone new to have sex with. Of course, this is absolutely no excuse for how he treated his wife and for having sex with young teenage girls (as young as 14). What's really awful is that he used his power and position over these girls and women to pressure them into relationships with him. There's evidence he started cheating on Emma very soon after their marriage.
Justin2Ski4 10 months ago
anyone notice that kody brown of sisterwifes is married too and having sex with his sister!!!! now thats true family love!!!
alicekingsly 10 months ago
WoooW!!! How old is this lady!!!?? She talks as if she had been there!!! I bet we can ask her about Abraham and she would give "explicit details" on Abraham's wives!!!... Hehehehehe
Broctus2010 10 months ago
Joseph was possibly worse than Muhammed
Dadutta 11 months ago
crap with mormons and their crap false prophet...pass the word...join TEAM JESUS !!! be on jesus's team !!!!
alicekingsly 11 months ago
How can anyone believe this bullshit! Mormons are idiots and indeed was Joseph Smith was a preditior, he was also dirty rotten pedophile!!!!
NathaliaArroyo 11 months ago
How can anyone believe this bullshit! Mormons are idiots and indeed was Joseph Smith was a preditior, he was a pedophile!!!!
NathaliaArroyo 11 months ago
Mormonism teaches that The Heavenly Father had many wives and Jesus Christ on the earth had many wives. I have posted a series of a video that reveals the deep Mormon teachings that are rooted in Mormonism.
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Ezra1Jesus1Disciple 1 year ago
Can't ya just tell which comments are from Mormons? Glad I got out of that arrogant, perverted group.
latterdaymystic 1 year ago
Can't ya tell which comments are from Mormons? Glad I got out of that arrogant, perverted group.
latterdaymystic 1 year ago
The bottom line is that the priesthood would be commanded by another priesthood leader above them to take more than one wife; they did not just nilly-willy-dally and decide, "I want more than one wife today to get my rocks off!" Mostly they did not choose for themselves; someone else chose for them. Also, they had to work very hard and pray and sweat to support their families while living in and making the wilderness blossom and take care of and feed and teach and raise large families. Fun, huh!
utgeekmattie1 1 year ago
Continued: So far the only explanation I have heard is a man-made clarification that because Jesus Christ fulfilled the law and wrought out our Salvation and made all things new, there is no more polygamy because there is no more mention of it in the New Testament. Again, that is all conjecture; a revelation is needed from God to clarify since we know that the Bible is a compilation of some books written by Jesus' authorized servants but not all.
utgeekmattie1 1 year ago
@ TheEternalPunk : Moses stated Thou shalt not commit adultery when he was married to more than one wife. Only an honest seeker of truth who sees this in the Bible -- like the historical record states that Joseph was -- would ask God about why he would allow such a thing. Also, Polygamy existed in God's Kingdom BEFORE the lesser or Mosaic law was instituted with the house of Israel, for example, with Abraham. What other Christian religion has tried to clarify this?
utgeekmattie1 1 year ago
@ TheEternalPunk : D&C 101:4 does not talk about polygamy. Jacob 2:27 does, stating God prefers that his people only have one wife. Less than five percent of priesthood holders practiced polygamy in early Mormon History. Now, you conveniently left out all of D&C 132, where the Lord explains to Joseph and CLARIFIES WHY he allowed some of his prophets to have more than one wife: to raise righteous men and women in righteous homes to further His Kingdom.
utgeekmattie1 1 year ago
Sandra claims that Joseph applied psychological pressure on these young women to force them to enter into polygamy with him, when accounts written by some of these women discredit her claims. So, if he was trying to get sex out of numerous partners, one of them should have became pregnant. Where are the kids? the only known kids are with Emma Smith. Also, God discontinued polygamy via revelation to Willford Woodruff, the fourth Pres. of the Church. The 60,000 current polygamists are not LDS.
utgeekmattie1 1 year ago
No one called Solomon and David and Moses sexual predators because they became MARRIED to more than one wife. And these were prophets of God in the Bible. Also, to make a historical comparison to our own day, most men and women today have had more than eleven or seven sexual partners OUTSIDE and INSIDE of marriage, with our advanced contraceptives. Surely if Joseph was using contraceptives and having all that supposed sex, someone would have known. Again, one should pray about it and ask God.
utgeekmattie1 1 year ago
Also, Polygamy was very foreign to Joseph Smith, but he was commanded to enter into plural marriage, since scripture clearly states that the last days would be when all things would be restored. This would then include polygamy that existed before the Mosaic Law. Also, marriage was very common for those sixteen years of age in Joseph's time. In fact, in medieval times, most women were married around thirteen years of age, and became grandma by their early thirties if they survived childbirth.
utgeekmattie1 1 year ago
Sorry, I do not wish to contend, but if Joseph Smith was really a sexual predator, where are all his illegitimate children? This important fact is kept out of this explanation; surely if he was preying on so many women that she claims, statistically he would have had to slip up and made one of them pregnant . It is one thing to be married to numerous wives, and quite another to actually have sex with them.
utgeekmattie1 1 year ago
Aparently this lady does not understand early American history to the point were she would know 16 in the 1800's was totaly a common age of marriage she is applying today's standards on back then what was concidered. Normal
trlurch63 1 year ago
1838 (continued) - Joseph Smith goes on a polygamyfest taking more than 30 wives 11 of which already had husbands. God doesn't seem to mind.
1843 - Polygamy is official as well as eternal! Joseph Smith bears his testimony of this wondrous principle by publicly denying he ever practiced it. God still doesn't seem to mind.
TheEternalPunk 1 year ago
The God of Mormonism is erratic and schizophrenic and can't seem to make up his mind one minute to the next. Case in point:
1829 - God says polygamy is bad (Jacob 2:27)
1831 - God says polygamy is good and to practice it with the Lamanites
1835 - God changes his mind again. Polygamy is bad (Section 101:4 1835 D&C)
JS shows his obedience by knocking boots with Fanny Alger
1838 - An angel comes and tells JS to get practicing or die forgetting he already was with Fanny
TheEternalPunk 1 year ago
Mormons, the information presented in this clip is historically accurate and can be verified by you through a process known as research. Why would your god sanction such abhorrent behavior in a supposed prophet? Where was Lucy's "free agency?" As one of her descendants, I am ashamed that I once counted Smith as honorable & virtuous.
Please research. The Mormon Church is not what it claims to be. Perhaps this site run by active Mormons will aid you in your studies:
MormonThink d o t c o m
ExmormonFoundation 1 year ago
polygamy was ordained of God, if not ISAAC AND JACOB, and ABRAHAM who we all admire , and followed Jehovah's every footstep would be in error, and Jehovah would be in error. However, in our finite mind we cannot obtain higher revelations..if we dont have an open heart. SHe forgets how much JOseph smith dragged his feet, also he predessor Brigham Young because they didnt want to do it. However, Revelation came to them, and they knew it was ordained of God.
emodote 1 year ago
You're a moron
gubbnuts 1 year ago
I don't need to do anything to show LDS isn't a cult. LDS i s not a cult, only dishonest idiots such as yourself portray it as such.
If LDS is a cult, then so is every single religion in th eentire world.
Grow up and get a grip.
Everybody knows how deceitful this woman is. All of her presentartions are exteemely biased and so are her books, which have been torn apart for their bias and bullshit.
HomesliceDrummer 1 year ago
Go look into the matters for yourself, don't let others think for you. Have the courage to look at 20truths . info which presents info from both sides, and see what you think.
WalkAwake 1 year ago
I already know.
2 of his wives were 14, others a couple years older.
That doesn't automatically make him a sexual predator. That's just ridiculous.
HomesliceDrummer 1 year ago
sounds like rumors. JS was a man of God. That i can testify.
Sebastian7908 1 year ago
Sebastian 7908, Come on, Have you met Joseph Smith? How are you so sure he was worthy? Clearly you were conditioned to give this kind of unthinking response. Use your own free agency and research the topic.
WalkAwake 1 year ago
This wretched old hag has nothing worth listening to. She's the most bias, only presenting information which supports her wretched and whorish motives. She will burn in hell for being a modern day Korihor.
HomesliceDrummer 1 year ago
@HomesliceDrummer, if that's not cultic slander I don't know what is.
aaronshaf2006 1 year ago 10
She looks old enough.
Maybe she was an eye witness?
THELDSLIFE 1 year ago
Perhaps. Atleast we know for a fact she's a total loon with very sour motives.
HomesliceDrummer 1 year ago
@HomesliceDrummer What's the problem? Does the truth hurt? Smith is the one who was the whore.
GraceAlone71 1 year ago
@GraceAlone71
LMAO, you are ridiculous.
Abraham and Jacob also were polygamists (among the 40+ known in the bible). I guess they were whores too, going by your standard?
HomesliceDrummer 1 year ago
@HomesliceDrummer I suppose in a way they were, but it was a cultural thing for them. They didn't claim an angel with a drawn sword told them to practice polygamy or else.
You're the one who believes he can become a god and I'm the one who's ridiculous? Go figure.
GraceAlone71 1 year ago
@GraceAlone71
Early christians practiced polygamy as well. Oh yes. Even in the NT Paul says a bishop is to be the husband of one wife. If that wasn't already the only expected scenario, why would he specify such a thing? It goes without saying right? Or perhaps there was an alternate marital secnario in which people could have more than one wife.
Secular history proves it, though the NT has subtle suggestions about it.
HomesliceDrummer 1 year ago
@GraceAlone71
And being "cultural" doesn't mean you can commit adultery by having many wives unless God commands you to do so, therein it is not adultery.
Either God commanded polygamy or Abraham and Jacob were adulterers. I guarantee that they were not adulterers therefore it was commanded by God. Simple logic.
HomesliceDrummer 1 year ago
@HomesliceDrummer Polygamy was never commanded by God, so yes they were adulterers. Please give your reference for early Christians who practiced polygamy.
It never ceases to amaze me at how giddy Mormon men are with the idea of having more than one wife.
GraceAlone71 1 year ago
@GraceAlone71
Oh, do I sound giddy about polygamy? You got that way wrong, dork.
So, you are saying that God allowed Abraham, Jacob and other of his called prophets to be unrepentant adulterers their entire lives and they get to go to heaven? Honestly, just listen to what you are saying. You don't have a clue in all honesty.
HomesliceDrummer 1 year ago
@HomesliceDrummer What are you 5? Name callings for kids,and I here I thought I was talking an adult. We're done.
GraceAlone71 1 year ago
@GraceAlone71
Wow, grow a backbone. Honestly.
Just admit that God's prophets have been permitted to practice polygamy by God all throughout the bible and then quit pointing fingers at God's modern prophet for doing the same thing for the same reason the others did so.
Don't hold a double standard, it's extremely hypocritical.
HomesliceDrummer 1 year ago
@GraceAlone71 Grace anyone who worships a child molestor and a man who claimed he was better then Jesus Christ like the way joseph smith did, is someone that I do NOT want near my children
chainsticks88 1 year ago
@HomesliceDrummer Mormonism doesn't have a hell.
ronwilson49 1 year ago
@HomesliceDummerthanarock & if Sandra did present some supposed moment when PERVERT Joseph Smith appeared to be prophetic what would it really accomplish? MORmONS are not happy until Smith is worshipped,speaking of one sided! as well the negative/ REALITY items you are whining about are still REALITY that completely dismiss any chance of PREDATOR Joe being any prophet of God. Too bad for you! Sandy would need 1000 more life times to even begin to lie as much as Gordon Hinckley. LDS =FRAUD!
genexrollins 1 year ago
@genexrollins
Get a life you scumbag.
HomesliceDrummer 1 year ago
@HomesliceDrummer MORmONISM is perfect for you !
genexrollins 1 year ago
@genexrollins
Your point is?
Get a life, you troll.
HomesliceDrummer 1 year ago
@HomesliceDummerthanarock
My point is....... (so far over your Dumber than an a rock head that it might as well be a satellite! just as most things are, which is the point )
Here is a poem you can try to memorize
It suits you so perfectly, just like MORmONISM
Me not dumb? Meeee .....DUMB!
I know you dont get it, but its so perfect for you.
genexrollins 1 year ago
@genexrollins
Grow up loser
Honesty, what kind of adult human being goes on Youtube anonimously to trash talk about a certain group of people?
Only a hating, self-loathing, immature, butt-hurt coward would do such a thing.
HomesliceDrummer 1 year ago