I can understand not giving your name but where you and your real experts are located does have a bearing on the discussion as does the style(s) they study and tout. Clearly for them to say Shaolin Kempo Karate is not reliable, they must have some alternative as a suggestion. This can be the basis for our comparisons. If you read my Bio on my site you may have seen that I have studied much more than Shaolin Kempo Karate so I might just be fairly familiar with what they suggest.
I don't mean at all to undermine your business. I simply have somewhat of a vendetta against Villari's as a whole. I have read your biography, and I see that you have studied some gracie jui-jitsu, an art with a very good reputation and well represented in the martial arts world. how do you defend the emphasis of punch/defend drills in the villari system? I have taken boxing, and while there were punch defend drills, they were aimed at improving sparring.
I will be curious to hear where your vendetta came. Let me start by saying that the premise of the question is incorrect, at least in the case of my school and the line of schools I came through. The system emphasizes all 4 ways of fighting, striking, kicking, felling, grappling equally. While there are two distinct parts of the system that are based on someone "punching in", the kempos and numbered combinations, their purpose is deriving muscle memory with varied attack sequences.
I have trained boxing, and training there, too, there are drills designed to assign movements to muscle memory. However, the techniques practiced were all for the purpose of learning to deal with a live, fully-resisting opponent.
In Villari's, there are no fully resisting opponents. I have seen Villari's tournaments, and black belt sparring, as well as demonstrations from Fred Villari himself, and I am extremely unimpressed.
@tichneck RE: the sparring, you have to remember that safety for the students is top priority, so there are many rules that preclude the use of the devastating techniques taught in the kempos and combinations, as schools are not fight clubs. We do have fully resisting opponents when we practice grappling to submission as well as our club, bat, gun and knife defense techniques. Do u consider good sparring solely to be reliable martial arts? Again its curious why u won't tell me your style.
Where can I find a video of this system working in an actual fight rather than demos on his willing students?
I believe that the true value of a martial art depends on what one is looking for. Aikido, for example, I believe will allow a person a study in discipline and culture...but it is not the best option for one looking for self defense. My problem with the Villari's is it claims to offer the best training for defense, while in reality is largely composed of dances.
@tichneck Since maiming and murdering is not legal its not too often that anyone gets true attacks from unknowns on Grandmasters. Would you attack a Grandmaster of a system or better yet do you have video of true attacks on the instructor of your yet to be revealed system? There are not many fights to death on video. If you are a professional MMA fighter looking to fight with rules in a ring, you get very different training than if you want to learn to handle weapons and street fighting.
I have posed these same questions to Master Robert Bombalier, who claims the Villari system to be superior to Mixed MArtial Arts in all fight situations.
@tichneck Where did Master Bombalier state this, in a context of streetfighting, with no rules, weapons and potentially multiple attackers because in that case I would have to agree with him, although its not the only system that can claim that. Not necessarily in the ring with rules though, in that case it tends to be the better conditioned athlete who wins at the top levels regardless of systems. If u don't agree, ask the best MMA fighter you know what he'd do with 2 opponents at same time.
What kind of training magic do you teach that will allow a person to take on multiple opponents, or opponents with weapons? I have it in good faith that if one cannot even take on one opponent, one doesn't have a prayer of taking on multiple opponents.
A Villari's blackbelt, or a least a great majority of them, cannot take on one equally sized opponent who has been trained in a real fighting art (boxing, judo etc.)
@tichneck You said we would have a respectful debate yet you begin and continue with baseless insults even after I answer questions. Why are u asking ?'s if u just plan on ignoring the answers and assuming you have them all? Why do you ignore my questions and just move on to your next incorrect assumption and insults? Does your instructor at OC Boxing know you make these insults on their behalf? You seem to have little understanding of what true martial arts is about when you do these things.
@tichneck Now as for the answer to your questions, we have many methods of training for multiple attackers and those with weapons, from forms that simulate multiple attacks and their counters, to real "dragon circles" where we are actually attacked by several surrounding attackers.There are truly too many to mention here. Your word "magic" shows the lack of understanding of the difference of MMA and street fighting. You follow the "if I blow your candle out, it makes my candle brighter" theory.
@tichneck Do you only have a Vendetta against Villaris or all Shaolin Kempo Karate Schools or All schools who don't train every casual student like professionals. Most people don't want monthly concussions and broken noses just to learn some practical self defense. In every system there are good and bad students and teachers. Unless you are going to spend your time insulting every system you think you understand + don't like, you will waste a lot of time you could have spent improving yourself.
We progress our students in the traditional Nuba wrestling format, which is to apply what you’ve learned in a live sparring session with no cooperation from your opponent. Earning your black belt by doing the movements in the air, breaking boards or with cooperation from another student has consistently proven to be an ineffective way of helping a martial artist become a fighting expert. The only thing that method has proven to do is create a false sense of security
@tichneck Not sure why you choose to ignore my answers but again we DO live sparring and grappling and weapon techniques with no cooperation all the time we just don't do it with lower ranks, so while not all schools do, many do including mine. There are hundreds who do not but you don't seem to have a vendetta against them?
Hmm, if you are going to be insulted, I don't see a further point in continuing a debate. I thank you for engaging with me, and I am very glad to hear that your school engages in live sparring. May you continue to do so, and may you enter the competitions of other styles to truly test your art. I would be careful, however, about affiliating yourself with Villari's; in martial arts circles, he has a very poor reputation. He is only revered in his own schools.
@ZaxStudiosOfMagic The previous statement is taken from the website of the Orange County Boxing Academy, for their Zulu Kai class. This is the style and gym I am most closely affiliated with.
@tichneck I couldn't find anywhere where Master Bombalier has made the comment you said and he doesn't know what you are talking about when I asked him.
You know, I'm going to be completely honest here, you don't nee don't be losing any sleep over this debate we have been having. If you should be so inclined, you can simply delete my comments, becsause it's not THAT important.
I had an email conversation with Master Bombalier. He had some very choice things to say about the mixed martial arts...amomg them that many of the practitioners are suicidal.
And btw, there are techniques that an mma practitioner would utilize for taking on multiple opponents (constantly moving, keeping their distance, etc.). It is generally regarded, however, as an extremely undesirable situation to find oneself in.
@tichneck You know as well as I that eventually the MMA artist would close the distance and try to do a takedown, at which case the attackers friends would be beating him over the head from behind at best. Not saying they wouldn't try to guess at what to do, but as I have found with MMA artists who come to my school, they rarely have any idea what to do against weapons of the street or more than one attacker. That being said they can do very well against single opponents w/o weapons.
Why is it that Villari's only works against multiple or armed attackers?
And i'm calling BS on you asking Master Bombalier about our conversation. There is no way a busy man like you would waste time like that for some goon on the internet.
Since you are looking to debate, why not start with your real name, where you are located, what experience you have to make the claims you make and what style(s) you study or have studied and for how long? Without that you have little credibility and look like the many on the web who hide behind the internet to insult people. With that information and your willingness to listen as well as talk, I'd be happy to engage you.
I will not respond with my real name and location. I do promise, however, to be respectful and to keep an open mind. I will simply let my arguments do the talking.
My knowledge of the martial arts is not extensive, certainly not as extensive as yours. As the saying goes, however, you do not have to know how to sing to identify a bad singer. My opinions do come backed, however, by the expertise of real martial artists and their experience. My goal is not to shoot in the dark
Villari's is not a reliable source of martial arts, there are far better options out there, and I would encourage the creator of this video to engage me in a debate.
I can understand not giving your name but where you and your real experts are located does have a bearing on the discussion as does the style(s) they study and tout. Clearly for them to say Shaolin Kempo Karate is not reliable, they must have some alternative as a suggestion. This can be the basis for our comparisons. If you read my Bio on my site you may have seen that I have studied much more than Shaolin Kempo Karate so I might just be fairly familiar with what they suggest.
ZaxStudiosOfMagic 2 weeks ago
@ZaxStudiosOfMagic
I don't mean at all to undermine your business. I simply have somewhat of a vendetta against Villari's as a whole. I have read your biography, and I see that you have studied some gracie jui-jitsu, an art with a very good reputation and well represented in the martial arts world. how do you defend the emphasis of punch/defend drills in the villari system? I have taken boxing, and while there were punch defend drills, they were aimed at improving sparring.
tichneck 1 week ago
@tichneck
I will be curious to hear where your vendetta came. Let me start by saying that the premise of the question is incorrect, at least in the case of my school and the line of schools I came through. The system emphasizes all 4 ways of fighting, striking, kicking, felling, grappling equally. While there are two distinct parts of the system that are based on someone "punching in", the kempos and numbered combinations, their purpose is deriving muscle memory with varied attack sequences.
ZaxStudiosOfMagic 1 week ago
@ZaxStudiosOfMagic
I have trained boxing, and training there, too, there are drills designed to assign movements to muscle memory. However, the techniques practiced were all for the purpose of learning to deal with a live, fully-resisting opponent.
In Villari's, there are no fully resisting opponents. I have seen Villari's tournaments, and black belt sparring, as well as demonstrations from Fred Villari himself, and I am extremely unimpressed.
tichneck 1 week ago
@tichneck RE: the sparring, you have to remember that safety for the students is top priority, so there are many rules that preclude the use of the devastating techniques taught in the kempos and combinations, as schools are not fight clubs. We do have fully resisting opponents when we practice grappling to submission as well as our club, bat, gun and knife defense techniques. Do u consider good sparring solely to be reliable martial arts? Again its curious why u won't tell me your style.
ZaxStudiosOfMagic 1 week ago
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Where can I find a video of this system working in an actual fight rather than demos on his willing students?
I believe that the true value of a martial art depends on what one is looking for. Aikido, for example, I believe will allow a person a study in discipline and culture...but it is not the best option for one looking for self defense. My problem with the Villari's is it claims to offer the best training for defense, while in reality is largely composed of dances.
tichneck 1 week ago
@tichneck Since maiming and murdering is not legal its not too often that anyone gets true attacks from unknowns on Grandmasters. Would you attack a Grandmaster of a system or better yet do you have video of true attacks on the instructor of your yet to be revealed system? There are not many fights to death on video. If you are a professional MMA fighter looking to fight with rules in a ring, you get very different training than if you want to learn to handle weapons and street fighting.
ZaxStudiosOfMagic 1 week ago
@ZaxStudiosOfMagic
I have posed these same questions to Master Robert Bombalier, who claims the Villari system to be superior to Mixed MArtial Arts in all fight situations.
tichneck 1 week ago
@tichneck Where did Master Bombalier state this, in a context of streetfighting, with no rules, weapons and potentially multiple attackers because in that case I would have to agree with him, although its not the only system that can claim that. Not necessarily in the ring with rules though, in that case it tends to be the better conditioned athlete who wins at the top levels regardless of systems. If u don't agree, ask the best MMA fighter you know what he'd do with 2 opponents at same time.
ZaxStudiosOfMagic 1 week ago
@ZaxStudiosOfMagic
What kind of training magic do you teach that will allow a person to take on multiple opponents, or opponents with weapons? I have it in good faith that if one cannot even take on one opponent, one doesn't have a prayer of taking on multiple opponents.
A Villari's blackbelt, or a least a great majority of them, cannot take on one equally sized opponent who has been trained in a real fighting art (boxing, judo etc.)
tichneck 1 week ago
@tichneck You said we would have a respectful debate yet you begin and continue with baseless insults even after I answer questions. Why are u asking ?'s if u just plan on ignoring the answers and assuming you have them all? Why do you ignore my questions and just move on to your next incorrect assumption and insults? Does your instructor at OC Boxing know you make these insults on their behalf? You seem to have little understanding of what true martial arts is about when you do these things.
ZaxStudiosOfMagic 1 week ago
@tichneck Now as for the answer to your questions, we have many methods of training for multiple attackers and those with weapons, from forms that simulate multiple attacks and their counters, to real "dragon circles" where we are actually attacked by several surrounding attackers.There are truly too many to mention here. Your word "magic" shows the lack of understanding of the difference of MMA and street fighting. You follow the "if I blow your candle out, it makes my candle brighter" theory.
ZaxStudiosOfMagic 1 week ago
@tichneck Do you only have a Vendetta against Villaris or all Shaolin Kempo Karate Schools or All schools who don't train every casual student like professionals. Most people don't want monthly concussions and broken noses just to learn some practical self defense. In every system there are good and bad students and teachers. Unless you are going to spend your time insulting every system you think you understand + don't like, you will waste a lot of time you could have spent improving yourself.
ZaxStudiosOfMagic 1 week ago
@ZaxStudiosOfMagic
We progress our students in the traditional Nuba wrestling format, which is to apply what you’ve learned in a live sparring session with no cooperation from your opponent. Earning your black belt by doing the movements in the air, breaking boards or with cooperation from another student has consistently proven to be an ineffective way of helping a martial artist become a fighting expert. The only thing that method has proven to do is create a false sense of security
tichneck 1 week ago
@tichneck Not sure why you choose to ignore my answers but again we DO live sparring and grappling and weapon techniques with no cooperation all the time we just don't do it with lower ranks, so while not all schools do, many do including mine. There are hundreds who do not but you don't seem to have a vendetta against them?
ZaxStudiosOfMagic 1 week ago
@ZaxStudiosOfMagic
Hmm, if you are going to be insulted, I don't see a further point in continuing a debate. I thank you for engaging with me, and I am very glad to hear that your school engages in live sparring. May you continue to do so, and may you enter the competitions of other styles to truly test your art. I would be careful, however, about affiliating yourself with Villari's; in martial arts circles, he has a very poor reputation. He is only revered in his own schools.
tichneck 1 week ago
@ZaxStudiosOfMagic The previous statement is taken from the website of the Orange County Boxing Academy, for their Zulu Kai class. This is the style and gym I am most closely affiliated with.
tichneck 1 week ago
@tichneck I couldn't find anywhere where Master Bombalier has made the comment you said and he doesn't know what you are talking about when I asked him.
ZaxStudiosOfMagic 1 week ago
@ZaxStudiosOfMagic
You know, I'm going to be completely honest here, you don't nee don't be losing any sleep over this debate we have been having. If you should be so inclined, you can simply delete my comments, becsause it's not THAT important.
I had an email conversation with Master Bombalier. He had some very choice things to say about the mixed martial arts...amomg them that many of the practitioners are suicidal.
tichneck 1 week ago
@ZaxStudiosOfMagic
And btw, there are techniques that an mma practitioner would utilize for taking on multiple opponents (constantly moving, keeping their distance, etc.). It is generally regarded, however, as an extremely undesirable situation to find oneself in.
tichneck 1 week ago
@tichneck You know as well as I that eventually the MMA artist would close the distance and try to do a takedown, at which case the attackers friends would be beating him over the head from behind at best. Not saying they wouldn't try to guess at what to do, but as I have found with MMA artists who come to my school, they rarely have any idea what to do against weapons of the street or more than one attacker. That being said they can do very well against single opponents w/o weapons.
ZaxStudiosOfMagic 1 week ago
@ZaxStudiosOfMagic
Why is it that Villari's only works against multiple or armed attackers?
And i'm calling BS on you asking Master Bombalier about our conversation. There is no way a busy man like you would waste time like that for some goon on the internet.
tichneck 1 week ago
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tichneck 1 week ago
Since you are looking to debate, why not start with your real name, where you are located, what experience you have to make the claims you make and what style(s) you study or have studied and for how long? Without that you have little credibility and look like the many on the web who hide behind the internet to insult people. With that information and your willingness to listen as well as talk, I'd be happy to engage you.
ZaxStudiosOfMagic 2 weeks ago
@ZaxStudiosOfMagic
I will not respond with my real name and location. I do promise, however, to be respectful and to keep an open mind. I will simply let my arguments do the talking.
My knowledge of the martial arts is not extensive, certainly not as extensive as yours. As the saying goes, however, you do not have to know how to sing to identify a bad singer. My opinions do come backed, however, by the expertise of real martial artists and their experience. My goal is not to shoot in the dark
tichneck 2 weeks ago
Villari's is not a reliable source of martial arts, there are far better options out there, and I would encourage the creator of this video to engage me in a debate.
tichneck 2 weeks ago