Must We Blockade Iran?

[ShannCole888]

I believe the Antichrist will arise out of the U.S., as a seemingly Christian good person, a False Christ, the (U.S. Grecia), the U.S. lead the Gulf War(Former), this present War in Iraq,and Ahfganistan,(Latter)and the next war, with Iran, led by the Antichrist, U.S. = Grecia, Washington D.C., Pentagon, Hollywood, Greece Theater, Sports, Olympics, Capital Building, Monuments, Roman Senate, U.S. Senate, Statue of Liberty, Greko-Roman Ahrcitecture, May your eyes be opened,raiser of taxes " Obama "

[thirdexodus2008]

Blocking Iran is not scriptural. The nations have commited so much sin.The Lord must arm d enemies to put up a good fight.Even if Iran and such nations are blocked YET WILL GOD GIVE THEM WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION. It is necessary.BLOOD IS SPEAKING! D most valued ally of USA made sure over 2million JEWS OF AFRICA were killed in Nigerian Biafran war of 1967 to 1970. FROM ALMIGHTY GOD WILL FIRE BREAK THROUGH TO SATIATE GODS JUDGEMENT 4 D BLOOD OF D BIAFRAN JEWS MAINLY WOMEN, CHILDREN KILLED

[t4705mb6]

Running the world using a book of fairytales as a template is just plain moronic.

[juliusvernal]

Jesus will bless America, a blockade is a good "Carrot and Stick policy"

[catlest]

Er... hate to remind you of this, but "Carrot and stick policies" only work when there's a carrot. So far all we've offered Iran is a stick. Not to mention the fact that we keep insisting they do what we want, i.e. stop enriching atomic fuel, BEFORE we sit down to negotiate about enriching atomic fuel. I believe Jesus will bless America when and if we use some Christian principles like fairness and good will on our enemies. Or don't you think Jesus is relevant to the present day?

[lightningrod2012]

Thank you Jesus for the Coming Destruction of America. Death to America the Great Feminist Child Support Satan

[YHWHisElohim]

I think we are in for one heck of a ride over the next few years. I'm just glad I know the end from the beginning.

[toffa66]

If there is ever going to be pease we have to stop blameing one an other. A nations people dont go to war. Its alway their leaders who whants to fight. But we feed them moral supprot.

The reason other nations are different from auers, is because they have different leaders making different rules. So its all a human error in the end. But we are all humans, And we all live in the same sinking ship. The sulution isent who are we going to blame or kill so we can save the sinking ship. Or is it !

[Raymond1967]

really, and Ahmadinejad denying that the Holocaust occurred? See 2005 interview with Der Spiegel. Or how about that non-partisan Human Rights Watch has documents how Iran under his rule routinely tortures political dissidents. Per the HRW report: "[t]he Ahmadinejad government, in a pronounced shift from the policy under former president Mohammed Khatami, has shown no tolerance for peaceful protests and gatherings." Don't start telling me HRW is a tool of the U.S. Gov't. Their rep is solid.

[Raymond1967]

QuietB - you're drinking some major kool aid here! Ahmadinejad spoke at a 2005 conference called "The World without Zionism" about how Israel should be wiped off the map. This was soon after he took office. There's nothing peaceful about him. He's publicly stated his belief that he will cause war, and that the war will hasten the arrival of the 12th Imam prophesized by Muslims. This imam is described as a conqueror who will destroy the infidels (which means the West & democracy). Be real!

[dragun39]

Ahmadinejad did not call for Israel to be wiped off the map. That was a hoax pulled off by the translation agency (MEMRI) working for Washington that is run by ex-Israeli Intelligence officials. It's part of the brainwashing campaign.

[Raymond1967]

dragun30 - you're a propagandist, and should look for a job with that joke called al jazerra news. maybe that kind of spin and misinformation plays to arabs well, but in the west we have higher standards (granted, far from where they should be, but I've read the news from an "arab perspective" and found it as tainted as the old soviet union's pravda). He said it. You denying it will only convince your friends. No one else is going to buy into your propaganda.

[catlest]

I used to work in Iran and I speak Farsi. I've looked at the Ahmadinejad quote, and it does NOT say "wiped off the map." Furthermore, he was quoting the Ayatollah Khomeini in a speech that was make like 20+ years ago. SOMEONE wants a war and translated his speech wrong. On purpose. Who wants a war with Iran? Israel does. The dots connect, don't they?

[Raymond1967]

Catlest - You sound like the apologists that tried to put the Nazis or the KKK in a good light. Or a Holocaust Denier. In essence, you say Ahmadinejad did not say what he said - it was a translation error which every single news agency that covered the story missed (including reputable news sources like the BBC). Then you say it was on purpose, and guess what, the Jews are behind it. Just come out and say you hate Jews, and love the Iranian Prez cuz he hates them too.

[catlest]

You may be too blinkered to take this in, but Ahmadinejad hates ZIONISTS, not all Jews in general. Iran in fact has the largest Jewish community in a Muslim country. Jews are even guaranteed a voice in the Iranian parliament. Ahmadinejad works with them. And Iranian Jews are anti-Zionist because they see that it gives Jews a bad name. I agree with them.

[Raymond1967]

You're wrong about most things. The largest Jewish community outside Israel is New York City. Per Wikipedia, there are 20,000 Jews in Iran. There are 1.97 million in the greater NY City area. Anti-Zionism is a code word for anti-Jewish. You're parsing definitions, and playing a game of semantics. If Jews are so well treated in Iran, why are there only 20,000 left?

[catlest]

You don't read things very closely, do you? I said the largest IN A MUSLIM COUNTRY.

Wikipedia agrees, and also give a higher figure than you state:

"Estimates of the Jewish population in Iran vary. In mid- and late 1980s, it was estimated at 20,000--30,000, rising to around 35,000 in mid-1990s,[26] and estimated at less than 40,000 nowadays, with around 25,000 residing in Tehran. However, Iran's Jewish community still remains the largest in the Middle East outside of Israel. [27]"

[WONDAWOMAN]

RAYMOND, YOU DON'T READ OR COMPREHEND TOO WELL.Iran in fact has the largest Jewish community in a Muslim country.

Iran in fact has the largest Jewish community in a Muslim country.

Iran in fact has the largest Jewish community in a Muslim country.

[Raymond1967]

SO FREAKIN' WHAT? That does not mean that Jews are not persecuted and discriminated against in Iran. Also, the term "Zionism" is a code word for hating Jews, no matter how much people here try to spin it otherwise. It's like some ignorant people calling some, but not all, African Americans by the N- word. 40,000 is not that much, but sizeable enough to be seen as a "threat" by the ruling hardline extremists in Iran. These low numbers does not mean the Jewish community is respected in Iran.

[WONDAWOMAN]

ZIONISM IS NOT A CODE WORD FOR ANYTHING!! it is an ACTUAL WORD, IT HAS A DEFINITION, grab a dictionary or two and look it up!!!!!!

It cannot be a word for hating JEWS When there are JEWS WHO OPPOSE AND HATE ZIONISM.. You have been brainwashed with propaganda. You don't seem to be using critical thinking either. Noone has to spin something that HAS A DEFINITION. You are ignorant.

[Raymond1967]

Whose dictionary? Who wrote the dictionary such that you are willing to have those people shape your beliefs? And as for Jews opposing zionism, I'm sure you've heard of such terms as self-hating blacks (or asians, or any other identifiable group). Just because there are some liberal jews that hate the policies of the Nation of Israel does not mean there's not great prejudice against Jews out there among non-Jews who use terms with subtle anti-semetic connotations such as zionism.

[legendsdontdie]

If Iran hates jews, why is there a large community of jews active in Iran?

You're an idiot.

[Raymond1967]

No, you're a propagandist. They're tolerated, to a degree, currently. But wait until there's full fledged war between Iran and Israel. Iran will persecute it's tiny (by world standards) jewish minority out of existence.

[legendsdontdie]

*yawn* I'm hearing that from a guy who who lives on a land which isn't his, and supporting a country which was created an another nations land.

Get real.

[Raymond1967]

Jews have maintained a continual presence in what is now israel for almost 3,400 years. Sure, the bulk fled after 70 a.d., and did not return until the early 1900's, but there's always been a continual presence there by jews. Their historical claim to the land is greater than any other people.

BTW - Should I discredit your misguided comments just because you're from Holland, where drugs are legal? The jews did not steal any land, and stay off the pot a bit to think more clearly.

[Foosamon]

@catlest They have every right when Iran threatens Israel so often, is building nuclear weapons, and has religious beliefs that state they need to kill all Jews and that rocks will tell them where the Jews are hiding.

[Jasminewynja]

@Foosamon

Building nuclear weapons? Any proof for that or is it like "all the weapons of massdestruction in Iraq", nothing but lies in other words?

[legendsdontdie]

"Jews" have no claim to the land according to the thora.

Sure; discredit my comments. Coming from a guy who has a gov. which overthrew elected gov. and replaced by dictators (shah of iran, "royal" familly of saudi-arabia, creating Israel, creating saddam, creating bin laden, and so forth..).

The hews did not steal any land. Zionists did.

[Raymond1967]

1) what the hell is the "thora"? If you mean the Torah, in Genesis, God personally gives the land to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. So you really don't know what you're talking about.

2) What has the Neatherlands done of any note in the last few centuries? All I can think of his hash bars and legalized prostitution, that's it. The U.S. liberated Europe, including your insignificant country, after WW2. The UN, not the US alone, recognized the State of Israel in 1948. CONTINUED

[Raymond1967]

We did not create Saddam, but did support him briefly in the 1980's against Iran, then we took him out. You can't say supporting the Shah of Iran was a bad move when you look at the alternative - the Islamic extremists in power there for 30 years are far more oppressive than the Shah was. Bin Laden - point conceded there. But at least we're doing something. Again, what has the Neatherlands done in the last 100, 200, 300 years?

[Raymond1967]

Oh, and you haven't blamed the U.S. yet for bringing an end to the genocide in the former Yugoslavian republics - something Europe only talked and talked about while genocide continued. Right now, the U.S. gives more humanitarian aid than any other country in the world, more than even the U.N. You focus on negative facts because you're probably a leftist. Sure, the US screws up, sometimes often, but we at least try and have good intentions. Europe only talks and talks, and does nothing.

[legendsdontdie]

The US shouldn't be pointing fingers while they're responsible for major war crimes. Good intentions.. what the hell. Replacing gov. with dictators like the shah, having a secret service called SAVAK which uses nazi torture techniques (CIA admitted that..) is "good intentions.." To be honest, you don't seem like a bad guy, you're just very, very misinformed. search on youtube "the trial you will never see"

[legendsdontdie]

Wrongo. With the help of the US, saddam was able to overthow (bloody coup) the former government. Because of this; saddam invaded Iran (with the help of your gov.) and more than a million were killed. And the shah, you dare to applaud him? he was a brutal dictator who sold the natural resources of Iran.. oops. That's why you guys are in Iraq. By the way, who says I'm proud of the netherlands?

[legendsdontdie]

Words from orthodox jews:

Because of all of this and other reasons the Torah forbids us to end the exile and establish a state and army until the Holy One, blessed He, in His Glory and Essence will redeem us. This is forbidden even if the state is conducted according to the law of the Torah because arising from the exile itself is forbidden, and we are required to remain under the rule of the nations of the world, as is explained in the book VAYOEL MOSHE.

[Raymond1967]

remember what replaced the Shah of Iran - the fundamentalist Islamic regime that killed even more people than the Shah ever did, and started doing so by public executions. Iran lost over 1 million people in the war with Iraq in the 1980's because the sent over wave after wave of fighters into Iraq thinking they could overwhelm Iraq.  Very suicidal policy on Iran's part which shows how little they care for their own citizens.

[Raymond1967]

Genesis 13:15 (New International Version)

All the land that you see I will give to you and your offspring [a] forever.

Genesis 26:3 (New International Version):

For to you and your descendants I will give all these lands and will confirm the oath I swore to your father Abraham.

[Raymond1967]

Matthew 5:18 (NIV):

I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

[legendsdontdie]

Wow. you quoted those yourself. GOD will give them the lands back, not you, not the US, not the UN. And that's why Jews oppose zionism.

[legendsdontdie]

Of course; they executed everybody from the former regime. You seem to try to dodge the fact that the shah was a dictator who ruled brutally. everybody who stood by his side deserved death. and your second answer.. should I laugh or cry? The iranians showed the world that even with minimal resources, they still defeated a sophisticated army trained by the US. Oh wait; they should have been ruled by a dictator instead. that shows how much YOU care about the rest.

[Raymond1967]

Guess my last follow up response did not make it here. The entire Bible, in fact many versions of it, like King James, New INternational Version, etc., are available at BibleGateway (dot) com. All my above quotes are directly from the Bible (which you're apparently unfamiliar with).

[MetalWolf88]

The US did not liberate Europe. Without Russia you'd just have been kicked out again. Without the Brits you'd have a hard time finding a staging area for Overlord. The US are no grand saviours, no more than the other allied nations were. Actually, your active involvment in the European theatre is rather small compared to that of Russia or the Brits.

That said, without the US the war might well have dragged on longer. Just get out of the view that the US were the grand champions of WWII.

[Raymond1967]

MetalWolf88 - That's B.S. Sure, the contributions of Russia and Britian were significant. The point is that the US was the straw that broke the camel's back, so to speak. Without our involvement, WW2 would have dragged out maybe 5 more years. Possibly Britian and Russia could have won without the involvement of the US, but it would have taken additional years and possibly millions of additional lives of soldiers from Europe.

[Raymond1967]

PART 2 - I note that Sweden was neutral and contributed nothing to ending Nazi tyranny in Europe, and even that it's policy of neutrality assisted Hitler by allowing him to concentrate his resources elsewhere. Basically, others suffered the burden in terms of lives, resources, suffering, etc. so that places like Sweden could be free today, even if your country did not contribute at all to the effort.

[MetalWolf88]

Umm, which has exactly what to do with anything? Gonna tell me that because my country did nothing I have no right to voice my oppinion on WWII? Then you pretty much spit at the sacrifice on those who fought in WWII. Oh, and I think I might just know why we chosed to remain neutral. It might just have something to do with the fact that we couldn't possibly stand against Germany on our own. I just think that might have been a deciding factor.

[MetalWolf88]

The Allies won WWII, not the US. How would you have fared on your own against Germany then? Good luck taking on the entire Germany army of that period alone. To put it this way, remove any one of the major allies, and the war would probably have dragged on.

And how is it BS that you involvment in Europe is smaller than that of the Brits or Russians? Were you there during Dunkerque or at Stalingrad or Kursk? Point remains, the US were no more instrumental than the other major Allies.

[Raymond1967]

No, the US' involvement in WW2 was as significant as any other country. How could any country remain neutral while Hitler was exterminating 6 million innocent Jewish civilians? I'm not attacking you, but have to question the character of certain governments to remain passively neutral while such great attrosities are taking place. And it was the US that finally got a disunited Europe to end the genocide in the former Yugoslav republics in the 1990's. Before that, the EU just talked & talked.

[Raymond1967]

It's easy to blame others (like the US), but harder to point the finger at yourselves (the Swedes) and honestly acknowledge your country's own faults. The US gets bashed by leftists because we lead. For years, many US Administrations almost begged the European governments to start taking a more active role in their own defense (from the 60's to the 90's). Yet the Euros seem content not realistically funding their own defense forces, so we're left having to deal with crises like Bosnia.

[MetalWolf88]

Oh, I know alot of my county's faults. Underfunding our armed forces and cutting down on them is one, integration politics is another. The FRA-law is yet another one. Sweden is far, far from perfect.

Now how about you point that finger at yourself? The US isn't perfect, nor is Sweden or any other nation on this Earth.

[MetalWolf88]

Well, first off, the fact that there was no way in heaven and hell that Sweden could have stood up to Germany? If we did, it would have been a matter of weeks or perhaps months and there'd have been deaths and Germany would have won. Secondly, did people really know about the Holocaust back then? It's easy to say now that we know about it and we know the Germans lost, but we didn't know the second, and I'm not sure we knew the first either. Given that, I'd most likely not have acted different.

[Raymond1967]

MetalWolf:

(1) If Sweden did not actively fight Hitler, was there any underground efforts to help the Allies or the Jews (such as secretly providing safe haven for the jews in WW2)? I've never heard of anything.

(2) There was ample knowledge of the holocaust starting in 1942. Certainly by the end of '43 people knew but would say and do nothing out of fear of Hitler.

[Raymond1967]

The US did have an enormous impact in WW2, and we're not afraid to remind people of it. But it's not that we're super-special at all. We're just willing to confront tyranny. I would rather die fighting for my right to live freely than to live under tyranny. I think that concept is poorly understood in Europe, where it's about survival under whatever circumstances. That's why we defeated Hitler, stood up to the Soviet Union, and are now with Iran. Europe could be the same if they choose to.

[MetalWolf88]

Well, nukes tend to have an enourmous impact. J/K :P

I'm saying that your impact were no larger than that of other nations, I'm not saying you're some nosy upstarts.

As for dying for freedom, it's not like it's the "right" way to do things (if there even is something like a right way), but genocide and war is most likely the wrong way. And still, YOU did not defeat Hitler, the AILLIES did, which you were very much a part of, but still, not the US alone.

[MetalWolf88]

Word has it there were underground helpers. Swedish soldiers along the Norwegian border helped Norwegians cross into Sweden, my great grandfather were one of them I'm told (dunno if it's true though). Wouldn't know about the second, I've never heard when we Swedes learned about the holocaust.

[bhatindawalla]

yeah watch the REAL speeches that come from iranian TV itself. Then you will be sick to hear the depth of the real truth in his speeches. He is even more deceptive than allah who said in sura 3:54

"Wa Makaru wa makara Allah wa Allah Amkaru al Makireen"

spend a quietbuck to get iranian channels

[bhatindawalla]

A-jad is hell bent in starting the war if one hears his speeches. Then consider Israel doing the mock exercises which in turn will get this nutcase to be more daring with his speeches. Well, we can wait and see.

All are sucked into this (like it or not)and will make this, the time of the end prophesy come true.