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Just saw them on their 25th anniversary Happy Together tour. What a blast! They're still rockin...and their attitude seems to be, 'you can't stop us from having fun up here!' And weren't they the first to do 'meet & greets' after the show? They're still doing 'em!
Flo and Eddie are just so great. Catch them live sometime if you can, because they're a blast. I'd also heard that they've lectured at music schools to tell young musicians how not to get screwed by signing away the rights to your material and/or getting in bed with the wrong manager. I understand that they had to fight for years to get their song catalog back under thier own control. Thanks for the interview clip and the song!!!
@hibob418 -- That's interesting, about the bad managers, because I once heard an interview with Joey Dee ("The Peppermint Twist", 1961) and he said: "I don't want to belittle the people I had, but I was stuck with them. I was signed to them. And they were not in the category of a Colonel Parker, where they could sustain someone's career for very long. They were just bleeding the thing, and when it was over, it was over."
I think "gee I think your swell" is the more ironic, tongue in cheek aspect of those lyrics... which just makes it cooler. Kinda the reverse of how everyone thought WEEZER was 100% irony... and they weren't at all.
Oh well Howard, take comfort that the joke that backfired earned you heaps of $ and made millions happy - it is a great tune, regardless of the use of 'etcetera'. haha
I had no idea that they purposely wrote this song "badly" so the record company would hate it. First off, most people don't really listen to a song's words- what stands out more in this song is the great melodies and drum work. Second, I thought the words were kinda cute, and that "et cetera" was so cool and ahead of its time. Had no idea it was a joke!
Sorry, Howard, whether you like it or not, this song is "swell." You can blame that in part on your magnificent voice!
One of my favorites, love Barbatta`s thumping accompanying beat. As for the lyrics I had never given it a thought although upon looking at it now it was pretty tongue in cheek cheesy. Long live the Turtles
Great story. Reminds me of the song, "Na Na Hey Hey Kiss Him Goodbye," where producer Paul Leka was trying to make the song so bad that nobody would mistake it for the A-side of the 45, (and he didn't even want his own name on the record) but it becomes a monster hit anyway. Thanks for the post. Flo and Eddie (the Turtles) are still awesome to this day.
This is one great song! It brings back good memories of the time I was a kid in primary school in this ultimately boring, roman catholic village somewhere in the south of the Netherlands...my elder sister once came home with this record...I couldn't believe my ears...thanx for posting the memories...:)
But what is NOT a joke is a great, arching melody and very strong chord seq's in both verse and chorus and their Everly-ish vocal blend. All that = ear candy, period.
Amazing. Not just the record company dweebs back then, but even today some apparently don't 'get the joke', according to the interview.
I guess some just don't glean the seemingly obvious parody in the lyrics.
After writing words like "your looks intoxicate me, even though your folks hate me", and "I think you're really groovy, let's go out to a movie", people STILL come up to Howard Kaylan and say "hey! that song is funny! did you mean for it to be funny?"
That's because this society is being conditioned to believe that there's a hidden meaning, a profound mystery, or a "story behind the story" in everything it sees (on the idiot box, that is). There's no such thing as "face value" anymore.
Everytime I hear the story of this song, it just makes me laugh. I mean, its interesting how Howard was trying to write a failure and it ended up becoming a hit. As far as I've come to learn, Elenore seems to tbe only top 40 song with the words et cetera in the lyrics. I can't think of any other song that has it.
Your right. And it's not so much a question of whether "et cetera" belongs in a pop song but rather "does it properly and adequately fill the space it's being used to fill?" I think it does.
"Swell" goes back to the 1880's and was used a lot in the 1920's and until 1940's. Also, it was sometimes a noun, as well as being mostly an adjective. It meant someone who had a lot of money and/or was a fancy dresser. In a movie about England in the 1880's, this bar-girl, when she saw a fancily-dressed gent come into a club (i.e., bar or "pub"), she said to another girl, "Look, here's another swell". (Oh yeah, I will use "Gee" and "Swell" whenever I can, or at least whenever I remember.)
The Turtles...one of my favorite sixties groups. They had such fun on stage. Love the interaction of Howard Kaylan and Mark Volman. Despite the fact that Howard thought the song was ridiculous, I love hearing it again and again!
I had some inside information about what was going on at White Whale at the time, so Howard using 'etcetera' was totally in keeping at The Turtles' whole 'screw-the-suits' attitude - three cheers for them. And does it get better than Johnny Barbata on drums? I don't think so...
geepers creepers what happened to him? I thought he wasnt that good looking then but the way he looks now makes him look like a prince when he was young! ELENORE still love the song!
Great Song, Thanks for Posting it
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SixtiesPopGold 1 year ago
Elenore! One of the best songs ever written!
ryano565781 1 year ago
Just saw them on their 25th anniversary Happy Together tour. What a blast! They're still rockin...and their attitude seems to be, 'you can't stop us from having fun up here!' And weren't they the first to do 'meet & greets' after the show? They're still doing 'em!
DoofsterDan 1 year ago
I've always loved this song!!!:)*****
diamondsparkles777 1 year ago
Songs that make happy are great..I remember hearin this as a kid at 4 years old NO kidding..This one for GLEE???
slaxwell55 1 year ago
Mark & Howie RULEROCK!!! Amazing vocals!!!
ChineseOpera8 2 years ago
Flo and Eddie are just so great. Catch them live sometime if you can, because they're a blast. I'd also heard that they've lectured at music schools to tell young musicians how not to get screwed by signing away the rights to your material and/or getting in bed with the wrong manager. I understand that they had to fight for years to get their song catalog back under thier own control. Thanks for the interview clip and the song!!!
hibob418 2 years ago
@hibob418 -- That's interesting, about the bad managers, because I once heard an interview with Joey Dee ("The Peppermint Twist", 1961) and he said: "I don't want to belittle the people I had, but I was stuck with them. I was signed to them. And they were not in the category of a Colonel Parker, where they could sustain someone's career for very long. They were just bleeding the thing, and when it was over, it was over."
57highland 1 year ago
This song is amazing. I love that drummer.
He is beast. Love his style.
(no homo)
Lowell253 2 years ago
brilliant!
cringevision 2 years ago
I think "gee I think your swell" is the more ironic, tongue in cheek aspect of those lyrics... which just makes it cooler. Kinda the reverse of how everyone thought WEEZER was 100% irony... and they weren't at all.
Corporations8MyBaby 2 years ago
I've always thought this song was rather cute because of the lyrics. The chorus is so catchy too. It's a sing along song for me!
jenzeppelin 2 years ago
Oh well Howard, take comfort that the joke that backfired earned you heaps of $ and made millions happy - it is a great tune, regardless of the use of 'etcetera'. haha
Annie1962 2 years ago
I don't know if it made them heaps of $ but I did hear Marc say that it paid for all of his kids' braces.
57highland 2 years ago
I had no idea that they purposely wrote this song "badly" so the record company would hate it. First off, most people don't really listen to a song's words- what stands out more in this song is the great melodies and drum work. Second, I thought the words were kinda cute, and that "et cetera" was so cool and ahead of its time. Had no idea it was a joke!
Sorry, Howard, whether you like it or not, this song is "swell." You can blame that in part on your magnificent voice!
harrietcow 2 years ago
One of my favorites, love Barbatta`s thumping accompanying beat. As for the lyrics I had never given it a thought although upon looking at it now it was pretty tongue in cheek cheesy. Long live the Turtles
pilesovinyl 2 years ago
pride and joy EXCETRA.
hilarious. GREAT tune!
seymouro 2 years ago
Great story. Reminds me of the song, "Na Na Hey Hey Kiss Him Goodbye," where producer Paul Leka was trying to make the song so bad that nobody would mistake it for the A-side of the 45, (and he didn't even want his own name on the record) but it becomes a monster hit anyway. Thanks for the post. Flo and Eddie (the Turtles) are still awesome to this day.
hibob418 2 years ago 2
John Barbata on the traps displays the epitome of 'playing to the song' while driving it at the same time. One of the best.
B17b25guy 2 years ago 9
You're right, this is worth listening to for Barbatta alone. Ditto she'd rather be with me.
reknawfiend 2 years ago
This is one great song! It brings back good memories of the time I was a kid in primary school in this ultimately boring, roman catholic village somewhere in the south of the Netherlands...my elder sister once came home with this record...I couldn't believe my ears...thanx for posting the memories...:)
Jofph 2 years ago 6
i've never heard of these guys before, but i'm a beatle-freak and my name's Eleanor!
PixieDust1996 2 years ago 4
I love this song so much!!!
Breegha 2 years ago 3
Elenore is on my "Top 5 Sing allong" list of all times.
dusanjova 2 years ago 4
They blew the dust off this song and played it on the radio a year ago.
BigBlueBeast 3 years ago
But what is NOT a joke is a great, arching melody and very strong chord seq's in both verse and chorus and their Everly-ish vocal blend. All that = ear candy, period.
Markybjam 3 years ago 3
Great analysis in how it all boils down to something eminently simple and enjoyable (i.e., "ear candy"!)
57highland 3 years ago
Is that Chip Douglas on the bass?
ZIPPTPH77 3 years ago
white whale people?
ZIPPTPH77 3 years ago
the label they were signed to at the time...
ajdunning63 3 years ago 2
flo and eddy frank zappa and th mothers
autozonesucks 3 years ago
sounds great
marcmickey 3 years ago
Amazing. Not just the record company dweebs back then, but even today some apparently don't 'get the joke', according to the interview.
I guess some just don't glean the seemingly obvious parody in the lyrics.
After writing words like "your looks intoxicate me, even though your folks hate me", and "I think you're really groovy, let's go out to a movie", people STILL come up to Howard Kaylan and say "hey! that song is funny! did you mean for it to be funny?"
This society is losing it.
Edvynn 3 years ago
That's because this society is being conditioned to believe that there's a hidden meaning, a profound mystery, or a "story behind the story" in everything it sees (on the idiot box, that is). There's no such thing as "face value" anymore.
57highland 3 years ago
The turtles, es de mis bandas favoritas, la musica de los 60s y 70s, es lo mejor que se pude haber hecho, lo demas, .. es deshechable.
Soy de México, y soy fanatico de todas estas bandas y sus canciones, gracias por darnos estos videos.
avillanato 3 years ago
Everytime I hear the story of this song, it just makes me laugh. I mean, its interesting how Howard was trying to write a failure and it ended up becoming a hit. As far as I've come to learn, Elenore seems to tbe only top 40 song with the words et cetera in the lyrics. I can't think of any other song that has it.
mrrab20 3 years ago
"et cetera" in a pop song? Only once! Never to happen again!
57highland 3 years ago
Where is this interview from?
TuneInTurnOnDropOut 3 years ago
Hey Howie, It takes a lot of talent and little insanity (or vice versa) to write a hit when you were trying to write a bomb.
57highland 3 years ago
This classic sounds cool live, cheers for posting 5*****
RADBAND 3 years ago
Oh yeah, and "groovy!" too.
Kamama62 3 years ago
Your right. And it's not so much a question of whether "et cetera" belongs in a pop song but rather "does it properly and adequately fill the space it's being used to fill?" I think it does.
57highland 3 years ago
Oh yeah, and who calls their parents their "folks" anymore? !!!!
57highland 3 years ago
I'm starting a new campaign...I suggest that we all start using the words "gee," and "swell" whenever we can.
"Gee, that was a really swell Gorillaz video, wasn't it?"
Who's with me on this one?
Everyone?!?!?! Gee guys, that sure is swell!
:)
Kamama62 3 years ago
"Swell" goes back to the 1880's and was used a lot in the 1920's and until 1940's. Also, it was sometimes a noun, as well as being mostly an adjective. It meant someone who had a lot of money and/or was a fancy dresser. In a movie about England in the 1880's, this bar-girl, when she saw a fancily-dressed gent come into a club (i.e., bar or "pub"), she said to another girl, "Look, here's another swell". (Oh yeah, I will use "Gee" and "Swell" whenever I can, or at least whenever I remember.)
57highland 3 years ago
I LOVE Mark's dancing at 2:49 - makes me smile.
Also funny at about 2:48 when Howard realizes he's looking at the wrong camera.
travmantoo 3 years ago
oops... the funny look is at 2:28...
travmantoo 3 years ago
I wish I knew a girl named Elenore ...
DoctorDoubleX 3 years ago
This is the funnest song to sing along with. Sing it at the top of your lungs!! Makes you feel good all over!!!
tiranchula 3 years ago
The Turtles...one of my favorite sixties groups. They had such fun on stage. Love the interaction of Howard Kaylan and Mark Volman. Despite the fact that Howard thought the song was ridiculous, I love hearing it again and again!
WittoWed 3 years ago
I know I was born in the wrong era :-D. Love "my" namesong :-D.
EllinorBorg 4 years ago
Great Music! Great Era!
Frank2ie 4 years ago
nigel ... do us all a favor ...stay in peru and don't breed. woosiefagmeyer.
kkamins 4 years ago 2
Some of the best lyrics ever!!!!! Etc. is the best and funniest hookline I've ever heard. Humor concours all. (Hopefully also my misspellings) LOL
WBA1965 4 years ago
I had some inside information about what was going on at White Whale at the time, so Howard using 'etcetera' was totally in keeping at The Turtles' whole 'screw-the-suits' attitude - three cheers for them. And does it get better than Johnny Barbata on drums? I don't think so...
Cheers,
Iain McLennon
Rknbkr12 4 years ago
geepers creepers what happened to him? I thought he wasnt that good looking then but the way he looks now makes him look like a prince when he was young! ELENORE still love the song!
carcajou316 4 years ago
I love that you used the word etcetera in the lyrics and I love the song!
Creativ1 4 years ago
Cripes, he looks totally different now!
Perranporth 4 years ago