@f6fhellcatace: Then I guess you must have had your head in the clouds when the (Douglas) A-26 was officially reclassified as the B-26, after the original (Martin) B-26 was withdrawn from service in 1948. Trust me, I read books... lots of books.
@B1Studios You are right it is- but after the B-26 Marauder was retired after WWII the air force started calling the A-26 the B-26 starting the never ending confusion with the two! Thanks to the Thai Government, who refused "Bombers" based in Thailand during the Vietnam War, the U.S. Air Force re designated the B-26 back to A-26A , to satisfy a political formality but it only added to the Invader's confusion!
@ILSRWY4 I know.... I was just saying that it was confusing that the Air Force would do that to the designation of the A-26/B26. I'm sorry you took it the wrong way...
Warbird historians know this particular plane is a B-26B manufactured by Douglas. But an enthusiast like youself I understand why you also confuse the B-26 Martin with A-26(1948-1965) Invader. Sometimes it's not only about the body and who manufactures the aircraft. it’s about what number and classification the Air Force assigns to the aircraft.
This particular aircraft is actually a B-26B, how do I know? I have seen it !........
.. I have seen it personally after the crash and it is currently with Mike Kellner just outside Marengo, Illinois. If you get a chance take a trip there and look at the manufactures plate and you will see “B-26B”.
I hope you also don’t jump on people for Bf-109 vs. Me-109………..
You can google aerialvisuals and get the full dossier for this plane and check warbirds information exchange to look up a post "Desert Rat and JU-87 Chicago" to get pictures of this airframe I took last month!
Yes, children, this is an A-26. This replaced the A-20, not the B-26. It was re-termed a B-26 later when the Martin B-26 was withdrawn from service. It is a LIGHT bomber. The Martin B-26 was a MEDIUM bomber - ok?
@TheBeechingAxe A-26 replaced ALL light.attack bombers not just A-20, but B-25 & the B-26. I have an uncle 87 years old who flew 66 missions in the B-26 Marauder before transitioning in the A-26 Invader near wars end. He flew another 18 combat missions in the Invader after his unit junked the B-26 marauder- Only after ALL marauders were taken out of service (after wars end) was the A-26 designated B-26- only to be re-designated A-26 in Vietnam. Ref: Douglas A-26/B-26 Invader by Scott Thompson
Yes, What are you talking about? VMC means Velocity, Minimum Controlable. Multi engine aircraft must be held down, until VMC is reached. Otherwise, if an engine quits, the plane will not have the airspeed necessary to maintain controled flight. Still, with an engine failure, the plane will roll into the failed engine, necessitating the use of opposite rudder. The rudder is the flight control requiring the least amount of air crossing it to get a useful effect.
B26 and A26 Douglas Invader. When USAF used airbases in Thailand during the Viet Nam War, Thai officials refused to allow USAF bombers to operate from Thai bases. Thus, Invaders were redesignated from B26 (bomber) to A26 (attack) aircraft so that they could be flown from these bases. Thanks for posting!
I have close to 1000 hours of B-26 time from when I was in the USAF --1952-58--- This crash was caused by inexperience and poor training. This plane, especially one that is as light in weight with no bombs or ammo, should have flown just fine on one engine. The pilot used absolutely no rudder to counter the roll. The rudder on this bird is most effective at slow speeds! I flew one out on a single engine on TO at 95 MPH indicated--- it was flying when it lifted off! It was not stalled---
This does appear to be an original Martin B-26 Marauder, not an A-26 Invader as reported by Milstar73. From the description of the crash I was once given, the footage appears to be the crash of the last operational B-26. It was supposed to come to an air show at its home factory in Middle River, Maryland, but that was not to be. :(
@zaphod71828 its and A-26 that was later renamed the B-26, why the usaf decided to name it the B-26 when there already was a previous B-26 it something i never understood. I still call an a/b-26 the A-26 and keep the B-26 name to the Marauder
@zaphod71828 Hate to break it to you dude...that's not a B-26 Maurauder. The B-26 had a more slender fuselage, a rounded top ont eh rudder, and differently shaped engine nacelles. This was indeed a A/B-26 Invader. But then you don't have to take my word for it...I've only worked on tons of them.
@Milstar73 it is an A-26 Invader. but at one point after ww 2 the AF dropped the "A" designation. so the A-26 Invader became the B-26 Invader. this has also lead to confusion between the B-26 Marauder which had been long retired by then and the B-26 Invader. but either way both designations are correct.
This is a CLASSIC VMC accident. Every multi-engine airplane has an airspeed (VMC) below which you cannot maintain directional control if you lose an engine. The right engine failed, and the good left engine simply pushed the plane into a cartwheel
Guys. IT'S AN A-26. IT WAS REMANED B-26 WHEN THE USAF IDIOTICALLY STOPPED USING A FOR ATTACK. THE REAL B-26 IS THE B-26 MARAUDER.
thisissparta789789 2 months ago
@thisissparta789789 who the fuck cares? is this an official plane channel?
VoidOfEnigmas 2 months ago
Did the pilot(s) survive?
XCougar85X 3 months ago
well shit, there goes a insanely hard to find plane....and possibly the pilot too....
Shinzon23 4 months ago
Was this plane able to get repaired?
MissileMist 5 months ago
@f6fhellcatace: Then I guess you must have had your head in the clouds when the (Douglas) A-26 was officially reclassified as the B-26, after the original (Martin) B-26 was withdrawn from service in 1948. Trust me, I read books... lots of books.
thisisnev 5 months ago
hat's an a-26 invader not a b-26. trust me i have flown a b-26 and a-26
F6fhellcatace 5 months ago
Worst takeoff failure at the worst time. Starboard eng. gave it up. Too low, too slow. Rough set of circumstances. Scratch another one!!
leesherman100 5 months ago
This is an A-26, right? The B-26 has a rounded tail.
B1Studios 6 months ago
@B1Studios Yes, not B26 but the Bostons, or A20 me think..
dj17q 5 months ago
@dj17q Maybe, but the A-20 has a turret in the upper waist.
B1Studios 5 months ago
@B1Studios You are right it is- but after the B-26 Marauder was retired after WWII the air force started calling the A-26 the B-26 starting the never ending confusion with the two! Thanks to the Thai Government, who refused "Bombers" based in Thailand during the Vietnam War, the U.S. Air Force re designated the B-26 back to A-26A , to satisfy a political formality but it only added to the Invader's confusion!
ILSRWY4 5 months ago
@ILSRWY4 MINDFUCK. O_o
B1Studios 5 months ago
@B1Studios I was sticking up for ya as anyone can see my statement!!!!!
ILSRWY4 5 months ago
@ILSRWY4 I know.... I was just saying that it was confusing that the Air Force would do that to the designation of the A-26/B26. I'm sorry you took it the wrong way...
B1Studios 5 months ago
@B1Studios I KNOW- and I was just saying it's "not" confusing because "I Understood" what you were saying. that's why I said "Your right". :):)
ILSRWY4 5 months ago
@ILSRWY4 Ok. :)
B1Studios 5 months ago
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TheBeachingAxe,
Warbird historians know this particular plane is a B-26B manufactured by Douglas. But an enthusiast like youself I understand why you also confuse the B-26 Martin with A-26(1948-1965) Invader. Sometimes it's not only about the body and who manufactures the aircraft. it’s about what number and classification the Air Force assigns to the aircraft.
This particular aircraft is actually a B-26B, how do I know? I have seen it !........
sgt13echo 6 months ago
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.. I have seen it personally after the crash and it is currently with Mike Kellner just outside Marengo, Illinois. If you get a chance take a trip there and look at the manufactures plate and you will see “B-26B”.
I hope you also don’t jump on people for Bf-109 vs. Me-109………..
History lesson complete.
Out!
sgt13echo 6 months ago
You can google aerialvisuals and get the full dossier for this plane and check warbirds information exchange to look up a post "Desert Rat and JU-87 Chicago" to get pictures of this airframe I took last month!
sgt13echo 6 months ago
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sgt13echo 6 months ago
Yes, children, this is an A-26. This replaced the A-20, not the B-26. It was re-termed a B-26 later when the Martin B-26 was withdrawn from service. It is a LIGHT bomber. The Martin B-26 was a MEDIUM bomber - ok?
TheBeechingAxe 6 months ago
@TheBeechingAxe A-26 replaced ALL light.attack bombers not just A-20, but B-25 & the B-26. I have an uncle 87 years old who flew 66 missions in the B-26 Marauder before transitioning in the A-26 Invader near wars end. He flew another 18 combat missions in the Invader after his unit junked the B-26 marauder- Only after ALL marauders were taken out of service (after wars end) was the A-26 designated B-26- only to be re-designated A-26 in Vietnam. Ref: Douglas A-26/B-26 Invader by Scott Thompson
ILSRWY4 5 months ago
Yes, What are you talking about? VMC means Velocity, Minimum Controlable. Multi engine aircraft must be held down, until VMC is reached. Otherwise, if an engine quits, the plane will not have the airspeed necessary to maintain controled flight. Still, with an engine failure, the plane will roll into the failed engine, necessitating the use of opposite rudder. The rudder is the flight control requiring the least amount of air crossing it to get a useful effect.
2020skip 7 months ago
its an A-26
maclarn91 7 months ago
kankakee airshow 1993
KiDFRANKKK 7 months ago
@blindaero
You work/used to work on A-26's?!
COOL!!!
hatepbj94 9 months ago
B26 and A26 Douglas Invader. When USAF used airbases in Thailand during the Viet Nam War, Thai officials refused to allow USAF bombers to operate from Thai bases. Thus, Invaders were redesignated from B26 (bomber) to A26 (attack) aircraft so that they could be flown from these bases. Thanks for posting!
cjs1776 10 months ago
I have close to 1000 hours of B-26 time from when I was in the USAF --1952-58--- This crash was caused by inexperience and poor training. This plane, especially one that is as light in weight with no bombs or ammo, should have flown just fine on one engine. The pilot used absolutely no rudder to counter the roll. The rudder on this bird is most effective at slow speeds! I flew one out on a single engine on TO at 95 MPH indicated--- it was flying when it lifted off! It was not stalled---
flyerjmr33 11 months ago
@flyerjmr33 I agree sir. I think left rudder would have saved the day.
2020skip 7 months ago
@2020skip Ever heard of a VMC roll?
Zachey2001 7 months ago
A26 Invader without the guns in the nose
beauf1ght3r 1 year ago
This does appear to be an original Martin B-26 Marauder, not an A-26 Invader as reported by Milstar73. From the description of the crash I was once given, the footage appears to be the crash of the last operational B-26. It was supposed to come to an air show at its home factory in Middle River, Maryland, but that was not to be. :(
zaphod71828 1 year ago
@zaphod71828 its and A-26 that was later renamed the B-26, why the usaf decided to name it the B-26 when there already was a previous B-26 it something i never understood. I still call an a/b-26 the A-26 and keep the B-26 name to the Marauder
Eirik36 1 year ago
@Eirik36
the reason for the change from A to B was that A, which stood for 'attack' was too agressive a prefix. so B for 'bomber' was chosen.
kenns9 11 months ago
@zaphod71828 Hate to break it to you dude...that's not a B-26 Maurauder. The B-26 had a more slender fuselage, a rounded top ont eh rudder, and differently shaped engine nacelles. This was indeed a A/B-26 Invader. But then you don't have to take my word for it...I've only worked on tons of them.
Matt
blindaero 9 months ago 2
@blindaero You know, I think you're right. The tail more flattened at the top than a B-26. It is indeed an A-26.
zaphod71828 9 months ago
Did not respond in time to the engine problem.
angieway1000 1 year ago
I hope the pilots were Okay..
bronco8585 1 year ago
This is exactly why we do a takoff brief...
"Before Vr..."
"After Vr"
"Vmc=X"
etc...
Sad day for warbirds...
bronco8585 1 year ago
That is not a B-26. It is an A-26.
Milstar73 1 year ago 2
@Milstar73 it is an A-26 Invader. but at one point after ww 2 the AF dropped the "A" designation. so the A-26 Invader became the B-26 Invader. this has also lead to confusion between the B-26 Marauder which had been long retired by then and the B-26 Invader. but either way both designations are correct.
ifuckedyourmomandsis 1 year ago
This is a CLASSIC VMC accident. Every multi-engine airplane has an airspeed (VMC) below which you cannot maintain directional control if you lose an engine. The right engine failed, and the good left engine simply pushed the plane into a cartwheel
pmahaffey170A 2 years ago
@pmahaffey170A YES. Why they tried to lift off w/out necessary VMC airspeed is beyond me.
rockyPants4000 1 year ago
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pmahaffey170A 2 years ago
Did you shoot this?
PunkFictionProdction 2 years ago
No I didn't, my dad (who flew a B 26 in the Korean war), got this from someone else.
dugzapper 2 years ago