Israeli-Palestinian Peace, Now or Never?

[mikejerusalem1229]

How sad that woman sounded very angry but I bet you has no sympathy for Palestinian suffering who are brutalized in there own homeland , there are good Jews though Ive met many , too bad the racists in Israel are the majority , may the people come to there senses and reconcile for there children's sake

[anarchosolar]

BOLLOCKS !! The only process the Israelis want is peace and quite for themselves

and slavery for Palestinians.

[TheFunkadelicFan]

That American woman is clearly mentally ill.

[kurichka]

Good report, showing the two sides of Israelis opinions.

[CSV1]

Anyways, we interpet historical facts differently as we both can see. I'm going to end the debate with those U.N. Security Council resolutions. Thanks for the debate & remember, I think the Arabs are worse :-)

[CSV1]

607: Calls on Israel not to deport Palestinians and strongly requests it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention.

636: Deeply regrets Israeli deportation of Palestinian civilians.

641: Deplores Israel's continuing deportation of Palestinians.

Needed space & housing areas for newly arrived Jews?

[CSV1]

U.N. Security Council resolutions,

111: Condemns Israel for raid on Syria that killed 56 people.

317: Deplores Israel's refusal to release Arabs abducted in Lebanon.

337: Condemns Israel for violating Lebanon's sovereignty.

452: Calls on Israel to cease building settlements in occupied territories.

471: Expresses deep concern at Israel's failure to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention.

515: Demands that Israel lift its siege of Beirut and allow food supplies to be brought in.

[CSV1]

The reality of the matter is that through European guilt & American politicians being bought by Zionists, Israel came to be. Natives were given the raw end of the deal & Israel has broken international law on dozens(Maybe hundreds?) of occasions since 1948 until present-day.

[CSV1]

Jordan was not part of the U.N. Partition Plan & you know it. Jordan was an arab kingdom which was given independence /before/ the U.N. tried to solve the Palestine/Israel question. Britain just called all of its mandated territory "Palestine". Jordan was never on the table. The Negev desert is also home to Arab bedouins who had lived there for THOUSANDS of years. Jews also recieved most of the coastal line & the most important ports. No, the majority of Arabs had lived there for generations.

[CSV1]

20% are those who are left. Do you deny that Zionist extremists like the Irgun evicted Arabs from their villages? Britain didnt send Jews to "their deaths".

[CSV1]

Dont forget that the U.N. plan, influenced by Jews in America & Europe, gave the native Arabs less than half of the area in question. The Jews, mostly consisting of newly arrived immigrants would recieve more than half. Keep in mind that the Arabs represented 2/3 of the population as well. Would you call that fair?

[CSV1]

King David Hotel = Partial Military Target with civilians in it. Most who died were civilians.

Lehi = Terrorist Scum

Irgun = Terrorist Scum

Haganah = Guerillas with some honour in them

So the Arab farmers who had lived on the land for generations had no claim to it? Even the one's who had proper documentation? What about the houses where Arabs used to live? They fled the fighting & then the Israeli government refused them re-entry & gave the houses to newly arrived Jews.

[CSV1]

To repay Britain by slaughtering its soldiers truly shows that supporting Zionism brought them nothing but headaches & death. Apparently the "Stern Gang" is called the "Lehi" in Hebrew, might ring bell for you? They worked with the Irgun as well. Two groups that killed civilians, diplomats & British soldiers so Jews which had never lived in Israel, could come in unchecked numbers & lay "Claim" to lands which never belonged to them in the first place.

[CSV1]

Yes, but every now & then a child is shot who did not carry an AK47. Intentionally targeted? I dont think so, but spraying to many bullets into a civilian area? Yes.

[CSV1]

Yet the hotel was full of civilians as well. Including Arabs & Jews. Judging the Irgun by today's standards? Actually, they were labelled as terrorists back then as well. The British had done much for the "Jewish Cause", primarily through Jewish influence in London. They halted unchecked Jewish immigration, yes, to avoid war/genocide between them & the Arabs. At least until the U.N. could settle the whole affair. Some Jews didnt want that, they wanted bloodshed instead of diplomacy.

[CSV1]

The IDF is also heavy-handed, designed in the 1950's/60's to counter mechanized Arab armies & now primarily fighting Hamas & Hezbollah. Heavy handedness adds civilian deaths, unnecessary civilian deaths. The latest war with Lebanon proves that the IDF underestimated Hezbollah & was way to heavy handed. Punishing all Lebanese citizens for the actions of Hezbollah? What was the point? Intentionally lose prestige & respect in the outside world?

[CSV1]

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[CSV1]

I mostly agree. The vast majority of civilian deaths in Israel/Palestine are due to conflict. BUT, there are numerous incidents when civilians have been targeted by the Israeli because the "End justifies the means" so to speak or through simple hatred. Hamas on the other hand, actively targets civilians. That is why they are called "Terrorist Scum". My point is that the IDF arent exclusively made up of heroic saints.

[CSV1]

A camera can lie, but every single camera all the time? Or just when Israeli troops have been caught in the act? A 7 year old with a AK47 is an abomination. If I was commanding I would try & get that on film, then withdraw. Then show the world how despicable some Palestinian groups behave. I would not order a child to be shot but rather withdraw. I draw the line at killing children regardless of ANYTHING. If you kill a child your just as fucked up as the person who gave the kid a gun.

[CSV1]

Yitzhak Shamir, a former prime minister of Israel, was also a former member of the Stern Gang. That terrorist group targeted civilians & also assassinated Folke Bernadotte, a U.N. diplomat from NEUTRAL Sweden. You call people like that "Colorful personalities"? There have been other government officials as well who have either been former members of the Irgun or Stern gang. Menachem Begin was a former member of the Irgun, they killed dozens at that infamous hotel bombing in Jerusalem.

[CSV1]

Not to forget the Stern Gang which killed many civilians & also an innocent diplomat from a neutral country.

[CSV1]

You can find videos on youtube/internet of Israelis specifically targeting civilians. In one video, a unarmed journalist is shot multiple times. The "Human Shield" argument is getting old as well. Israeli forces have killed civilians on many occasions without any terrorists or terrorist stockpiles being destroyed in the process. Israel have broken so many international laws & have been condemned so many times that its pathetic to see people who still cling to the "Zionist" version of reality.

[CSV1]

They were terrorists & the Irgun killed many innocent people. I'm sure Israeli schoolbooks paints a different picture than the one in the outside world.

[CSV1]

Israeli police have killed many unarmed civilians as well, many more than the Palestinian police have.

[CSV1]

You offered a portion of the West bank & Eastern Jerusalem. Well, the first Israeli government to be formed consisted of many former terrorists, who had British & Arab blood on their hands.

[CSV1]

But Israel does not want to remove all settlements & they value Palestinians as much as they value rats. The Arabs, well, they are too stupid to get their act together. I guess you can keep killing eachother.

[CSV1]

In return the Palestinians does the following:

1. Disarm all militant groups

2. Destroy all short-range rockets under U.N. supervision

3. Bolster the ranks of the Palestinian Authority's police forces.

[CSV1]

Peace can be achieved if Israel does the following:

1. Remove all settlements/housing areas from the Gaza strip, West Bank & Eastern Jerusalem.

2. Offer the Gaza strip, West Bank & Eastern Jerusalem to the Palestinians.

3. Stop collectively punishing all Palestinians for the acts of a few cowardly terrorists?

[flagfairy]

as an israeli and a jew i have to say that i want to fucking punch that woman in the face

[trueshineceo]

the Geneva Accords must be adopted by the Governments of both states and as the fanatics attempt to sabotage the peace process through attacks the peacseekers must work even harder to bring about an economically capable Palestinian state and not allow the attacks to influence their efforts towards peace!

[trueshineceo]

Peace is a meeting of moderates who are willing to compromise. The steps towards peace have been written by Israeli's and Palestinians in the Geneva Accords and distributed to many people. The desire of the moderates to bring about peace must become more vocal!

[trueshineceo]

There are few people who are able to withhold their natural tendency to take sides on this issue and focus on the steps towards a solution but it is precisely these people who must be active and take charge in the years to come!

[Himbeerfleischer]

Jenloveisrael, you definitely don't have a fuckin' clue what you're talking about. I advice you to live in Gaza or Westbank for 1 week, JUST 1 week! If you saw how people try to live there, you would understand what I mean.

What what to expect from someone living in Israel with its reactionary government. You damn fools snitched that land, like you always did !

LIBERTY FOR PALESTINE !

[jenlovesisrael]

Many people are unaware that to become one of the coveted "Palestinian victims" one only has to live in Gaza or the West Bank for two years!

The non-Jewish Arabs clearly don't want peace. FOUR times they have rejected peace and their very own statehood. And yet, their terrorism continues as they blow up themselves and innocent people.

The Muslim Arab propaganda machine is strong and collects gullible followers around the world.

Enough is enough.