from one side of the borders were french speaking Canadians(originally reserved for french speaking Americans -same as acadians),who dominate in regions around the east half of the canadian-usa borders to this day...
An interesting video. I note that that Native Americans nearly all sided with the British, just like the Africans did during the Boer War. And excuse my ignorance, but was this the war where the British burned down the White House?
What happened was congress got wind of his death and that the UK would no longer be impressing US sailors, and they had to declare war straight away lest they lose their excuse for war and invading Canada. That's why they declared war despite, by their own admission, being completely unprepared, because if they waited any longer their window for gaining Canada would be closed. But alas, their military was farcically incompetent and made zero headway despite having all the advantages.
How the hell can that stupid war be seen to vindicate the republicans? It was republican obstinance that caused the war in the first place. Moreover, if you look at the time it took for a ship to sail from the UK to the US, that was about how long it took between the death of the UK PM who was impressing US sailors and the US gov't to declare war, despite by their own admission being unprepared.
@InvincibleNumanist Well excuse me, but I was playing minecraft while listening to this. Maybe if you took that into consideration and said everything twice and very slowly and made this video 30 minutes long I would have gotten that.
@AEVautomatic What? In what context? And it depends on what you value. If you enjoy being around white people, then you may hire a white person ahead of a more qualified black person. The market may or may not bear the cost of the productivity loss. If you value black people, then vice-versa.
Or to put it another way, race is "performance" of a sort, as being. Like hiring a hot girl vs. a fat nasty guy. Looks and mannerisms matter to people.
@fringeelements For example, if I was allowed to, I would give white people, people who are similar to me, who share my demeanor and political views, and attractive people a premium. How much? I don't know, depends on how stable my business situation was. If I had a gov't granted monopoly, the aesthetic premium would be higher. If I was in tougher competition, it would be lower. OTOH, firms with less diversity tend to have happier employees and better workplace health.
@fringeelements Bullshit dude you are full of it. If a white person shorts the wrong stock he will lose the exact same percentage as anyone else. If you declare chapter seven you will delete the same debts as anyone else. If the person hiring people chose not to hire you or to hire someone else for anti-white racism reasons that is on that guy not on any kind of anti-white racism.
@fringeelements You really want me to believe that when you lost all of your money going short that was a result of anti-white racism? If the manager hires a hot chick just because she is hot that is his ignorance.
Having wasted the whole of my fucking day on shitty people doing various hi-larious accents on the internet, I can finally feel at ease, as if I've done something constructive and enriching with the end of the day.
It sounds like it has interesting theses, especially portraying the conflict as a civil war is heretical by most renderings by Americans. My understanding is.that the conflict centered on regional trade disputes about which the British mostly prevailed in the final agreement since they won by far most of the battles. I suspect that a loyalist vs. Patriot aspect was largely a.sideshow in the conflict, but I will read the book.
In addition, I think its wrong to say there was no nationalism in America at the time. There was nationalism in those days, just not for the union. Instead there was nationalism for each specific state. Nobody, in those days would say,"I'm an American." They would say,"I'm a Virginian." or "I'm a New Yorker."
No, it wasn't a civil war by definition. In a civil war both factions have to be fighting for control of the country,in 1812 America was fighting to stay out of the British empire not for control of the British empire. To say otherwise is ridiculous as America would have easily lost any legitimate contention with Britain for political control of the empire. The most they could muster was a defensive war.
I dunno, the Revolution was really more of a civil war, as the Americans then were in a legal sense British subjects rebelling against their government. 1812 was two political entities fighting, but there were indeed some civil-warlike elements, especially on the American side. It was only a generation or so after the Revolution, so there were still harsh feelings on both sides... Frontier warfare had always been brutal shit though, less regulation than in Europe.
That's using a pretty unconventional definition of "civil war." Generally civil wars are defined as two or more factions fighting for control of a single nation (i.e. the English Civil War), not just a war between culturally very similar people.
It took another good fifty years before many Americans began to actually think of themselves as Americans. Shortly after the Revo, a lot of colonists still thought of themselves as British, but just under a different forming government. Many thought Washington would be another King. With the War of 1812, I'm not surprised there were still loyalists. This was a very confusing time. They shared cultural identity, and some thought re-merging with England to be inevitable.
In Canada 1812 is presented in government school as Canadians winning a war against the evil Americans; trying to instill some kind of national pride in the children.
Thankfully nationalism in Canada is very weak, and most of the national identity that exists is defined by how we are not Americans.
@Mementomori690069 I'm from Canada and when we learned this is school it was taught that the British came to our aid and helped us drive back the conquering Americans who thought they had right to all land in the Americas. And that the Americans invaded Upper Canada with a bunch of militia and slaughtered civilians and aboriginals.
I hate this part of history. I made a fool of myself when I said there has never been a war on U.S. soil. It frustrates me and embarasses me. I wish more people were like tailor.
In American schools they mostly talk about the Battle of New Orleans. Like it was helm's deep and we beat the orcs in a decisive battle (even though the war was already over) after the orcs ransacked Edoras.
from one side of the borders were french speaking Canadians(originally reserved for french speaking Americans -same as acadians),who dominate in regions around the east half of the canadian-usa borders to this day...
where is the civil in the civil war?
filthy imperialist dogs..
viva la France ..
Quebec libre
AmetReloads 1 month ago
@AmetReloads
nobody speaks kindly of the french on my video and gets away with it.
InvincibleNumanist 1 month ago
How on earth did the topic of racism come into this comment section?
InvincibleNumanist 1 month ago
An interesting video. I note that that Native Americans nearly all sided with the British, just like the Africans did during the Boer War. And excuse my ignorance, but was this the war where the British burned down the White House?
atticana 1 month ago
@atticana
Correct, the same war. Although this book hardly talks about it, something I didnt like about it.
InvincibleNumanist 1 month ago
What happened was congress got wind of his death and that the UK would no longer be impressing US sailors, and they had to declare war straight away lest they lose their excuse for war and invading Canada. That's why they declared war despite, by their own admission, being completely unprepared, because if they waited any longer their window for gaining Canada would be closed. But alas, their military was farcically incompetent and made zero headway despite having all the advantages.
fringeelements 2 months ago
How the hell can that stupid war be seen to vindicate the republicans? It was republican obstinance that caused the war in the first place. Moreover, if you look at the time it took for a ship to sail from the UK to the US, that was about how long it took between the death of the UK PM who was impressing US sailors and the US gov't to declare war, despite by their own admission being unprepared.
fringeelements 2 months ago
@fringeelements
Did you pay attention? Im saying the Reps were vindicated in the eyes of the public. They werent vindicated in my eyes though.
InvincibleNumanist 2 months ago
@InvincibleNumanist Well excuse me, but I was playing minecraft while listening to this. Maybe if you took that into consideration and said everything twice and very slowly and made this video 30 minutes long I would have gotten that.
fringeelements 2 months ago
@fringeelements Why can't we just judge people on their preformance instead of their race?
AEVautomatic 1 month ago
@AEVautomatic What? In what context? And it depends on what you value. If you enjoy being around white people, then you may hire a white person ahead of a more qualified black person. The market may or may not bear the cost of the productivity loss. If you value black people, then vice-versa.
Or to put it another way, race is "performance" of a sort, as being. Like hiring a hot girl vs. a fat nasty guy. Looks and mannerisms matter to people.
fringeelements 1 month ago
@fringeelements For example, if I was allowed to, I would give white people, people who are similar to me, who share my demeanor and political views, and attractive people a premium. How much? I don't know, depends on how stable my business situation was. If I had a gov't granted monopoly, the aesthetic premium would be higher. If I was in tougher competition, it would be lower. OTOH, firms with less diversity tend to have happier employees and better workplace health.
fringeelements 1 month ago
@fringeelements Bullshit dude you are full of it. If a white person shorts the wrong stock he will lose the exact same percentage as anyone else. If you declare chapter seven you will delete the same debts as anyone else. If the person hiring people chose not to hire you or to hire someone else for anti-white racism reasons that is on that guy not on any kind of anti-white racism.
AEVautomatic 1 month ago
@fringeelements You really want me to believe that when you lost all of your money going short that was a result of anti-white racism? If the manager hires a hot chick just because she is hot that is his ignorance.
AEVautomatic 1 month ago
Having wasted the whole of my fucking day on shitty people doing various hi-larious accents on the internet, I can finally feel at ease, as if I've done something constructive and enriching with the end of the day.
Meow x
Archiveofobscurity 2 months ago
Brilliant review. Thank you very much.
Eddythebeast666 2 months ago
It sounds like it has interesting theses, especially portraying the conflict as a civil war is heretical by most renderings by Americans. My understanding is.that the conflict centered on regional trade disputes about which the British mostly prevailed in the final agreement since they won by far most of the battles. I suspect that a loyalist vs. Patriot aspect was largely a.sideshow in the conflict, but I will read the book.
DanaGarrett 2 months ago
In addition, I think its wrong to say there was no nationalism in America at the time. There was nationalism in those days, just not for the union. Instead there was nationalism for each specific state. Nobody, in those days would say,"I'm an American." They would say,"I'm a Virginian." or "I'm a New Yorker."
McDicker96 2 months ago 2
No, it wasn't a civil war by definition. In a civil war both factions have to be fighting for control of the country,in 1812 America was fighting to stay out of the British empire not for control of the British empire. To say otherwise is ridiculous as America would have easily lost any legitimate contention with Britain for political control of the empire. The most they could muster was a defensive war.
McDicker96 2 months ago
whats your tumblr
death9719 2 months ago
I dunno, the Revolution was really more of a civil war, as the Americans then were in a legal sense British subjects rebelling against their government. 1812 was two political entities fighting, but there were indeed some civil-warlike elements, especially on the American side. It was only a generation or so after the Revolution, so there were still harsh feelings on both sides... Frontier warfare had always been brutal shit though, less regulation than in Europe.
Sounds like a good read.
ChaosIncarnate7 2 months ago
@ChaosIncarnate7 It was weird starting to root for the British more after watching the Sharpe's series... in that time period, anyway.
ChaosIncarnate7 2 months ago
That's using a pretty unconventional definition of "civil war." Generally civil wars are defined as two or more factions fighting for control of a single nation (i.e. the English Civil War), not just a war between culturally very similar people.
priapus512 2 months ago
It took another good fifty years before many Americans began to actually think of themselves as Americans. Shortly after the Revo, a lot of colonists still thought of themselves as British, but just under a different forming government. Many thought Washington would be another King. With the War of 1812, I'm not surprised there were still loyalists. This was a very confusing time. They shared cultural identity, and some thought re-merging with England to be inevitable.
fruitikay 2 months ago
In Canada 1812 is presented in government school as Canadians winning a war against the evil Americans; trying to instill some kind of national pride in the children.
Thankfully nationalism in Canada is very weak, and most of the national identity that exists is defined by how we are not Americans.
Mementomori690069 2 months ago
@Mementomori690069 I'm from Canada and when we learned this is school it was taught that the British came to our aid and helped us drive back the conquering Americans who thought they had right to all land in the Americas. And that the Americans invaded Upper Canada with a bunch of militia and slaughtered civilians and aboriginals.
Southparker100000000 2 months ago 4
I hate this part of history. I made a fool of myself when I said there has never been a war on U.S. soil. It frustrates me and embarasses me. I wish more people were like tailor.
lovingsingleton 2 months ago
In American schools they mostly talk about the Battle of New Orleans. Like it was helm's deep and we beat the orcs in a decisive battle (even though the war was already over) after the orcs ransacked Edoras.
paradoarify 2 months ago 7
@paradoarify In my class, we said "lol, this battle was after the war and look Stonewall Jackson!" (paraphrased).
1000g2g3g4g800999 2 months ago
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lovingsingleton 2 months ago