hmmm there may be something to be said about a possible link to this theorybut... there seems to be no solid proof to this hypothesis.... that and few natives of that area show african geneological proof if any..... there must be a sign somewherre besides just the writing style....
I found "American Antiquities and Discoveries in the West", 1829, 1835 5th edition, 25,000copies. I bought the book because of Mormonism. It quotes some 30 pages between Rafenesque and Champollion. But be careful with Rafenesque. I'm not going into it here. There are lots of agenda's out there. Like the Mormons. Champollion had Egyptian dialed. Joe Smith thought he did and wrote "The Abraham Papyrus". A fraud. Many documentaries on YTube say Champollion was not known in 1837. He was well known.
I would like to know if anything new pops up in you're research, thanks for this info and I hope to hear from you soon. I wish you luck in you're investigations and hopefully something new can reveal us more from the Olmec, if you can try to see if there are writing in the central highlands, it might show how the Olmec interactec with other central mesoamerican groups in the center and western Mesoamerica. Thanks again and good luck.
...It needs more focus with other mesoamerican groups to proove that their writing was influenced by the Olmecs. One more thing, there is absolutely no evidence that Comalcalco was an educative center, its surroundings shows it was more for the explotations of local natural resources like cocoa and fruits but if there was once a university, the archaeological evidence has not revealed anything related to a university, one education, check data from the Tepuchcalli and Calmecac in Tenochtitlan.
Neil Steede, in Preliminary Catalogue of the Comalcalco Bricks, published a number of bilingual Mayan-Olmec inscription. The vast number of foriegn inscriptions in this catalogue make it clear that this site was an educative center.
Thanks for the recomendation, I will try and find this info cause it looks very interesting, but I'll try and find more information about the site's research because in my opinion, it needs more field evidence to proove once and for all that Comalcalco was used as an educative center. I'll try and reply as soon as I can.
ok well this has an interesting point of view ammongst the Olmec. unfortunately we have to find more evidence to proove that the Olmec really came from Africa. An other point is that most of the sites in the end are mainly Maya and even though they did probably have contact with the Olmec in the Formative period, their writing was quite diferent from Olmec. one last point is that the Olmec didnt build stone piramids, they built them with clay. This was interesting buwe need more evidence.
The bilingual text discussed in the movie make it clear that at the base of the Mayan writing are syllabic Olmec symbols. The jaguar sub-pyramids of the Mayan pyramidas were built of stone and were probably contructed by Olmec.
This is interesting as well but how come the Maya were the only ones to adopt their writing when other Formative mesoamerican groups didn't manage to obtain the writing? Chalcatzingo, Teopantecuanitlan and Tlatilco in the highlands had strong Olmec influences but later during the Classic, didn't continue using the writing, in fact there is no evidence of writing for other mesoamerican groups (or at least they are yet to be found).
It is difficult to answer this question. It would appear that the Maya, given the Mande substratum in many Mayan languages lived for extensive period of time in a bilingual Olmec environment and adopted many Olmec cultural experienxes during this time. The Maya took many elements of Olmec civilization and moulded into their own unique image. This is why we find the Mayan imprint on its pyramidial architecture and reinvention of Olmec syllabic symbols into Mayan hieroglyphics.
This can be qute interesting for archaeological and linguistical research, there is a stone found in Veracruz years ago that contains probable Olmec writing "La Piedra Mojarra" is a stella that contains lots of Olmec (or Epi-Olmec) information it could give a bigger point of view for Olmec life (though it might only tell us about the life of a certain king or a kind of ritual). I hope that further research could reveal more from the Olmec and its people. I hope to know more in the future.
I don't think that it's fair to say the Olmec people introduced Mayans to their culture. How can you say that Mayans didn't have culture before they ran into the Olmecs. Humans have culture, it's apart of being human. Now did they exchange ideas? That's a greater possibility. But I think it's far stretching and just plain wrong to suggest that Mayan people didn't have a highly developed culture of their own before they met the Olmec.
You are right the Mayan people did have a highly developed culture but many of the elements of this culture came from the Olmec like writing and pyramid building.
The Romans also had a highly developed culture. But most experts will agree that many elements of this culture originated with the Greeks and were refined by the Romans.
Dr. Winters has presented papers on Olmec writing at many National Conferences including: The decipherment of the Olmec writing. 74th Ann Meet Cent. States Anth Soc;Jaguar kings: Olmec Royalty and religious leaders in the first person 75th Ann Meet Cent States Anth Soc;The Olmec Religion,75th Ann Meet Cent States Anth Soc;Olmec symbolism in Mayan Writing 76th Ann Meet Cent States Anth Soc;Olmec voices: The syllabic signs. 98Ann Meet Am Anth Asoc.Check the programs of meetings to verify.
The Olmec civilization began around 1200 BC. Mande speaking Africans were already at LaVenta and San Lorenzo. These Africans had already left inscriptions throughout North Africa and the Sahara by this time.
hmmm there may be something to be said about a possible link to this theorybut... there seems to be no solid proof to this hypothesis.... that and few natives of that area show african geneological proof if any..... there must be a sign somewherre besides just the writing style....
Alusnovalotus 1 month ago
great vid, lots to chew on. like the piano tune especially.
interstellarwonder 9 months ago
I found "American Antiquities and Discoveries in the West", 1829, 1835 5th edition, 25,000copies. I bought the book because of Mormonism. It quotes some 30 pages between Rafenesque and Champollion. But be careful with Rafenesque. I'm not going into it here. There are lots of agenda's out there. Like the Mormons. Champollion had Egyptian dialed. Joe Smith thought he did and wrote "The Abraham Papyrus". A fraud. Many documentaries on YTube say Champollion was not known in 1837. He was well known.
IExposeMormonism 1 year ago
PLEASE..GIVE TO ME THIS MUSIC..MANY THANKS
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acidbath667 3 years ago
like your vid,,it has always been at the back of my mind,of the similarity of the Mexican and Egyptian pyramids ,
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XxMichelllexX 3 years ago
I would like to know if anything new pops up in you're research, thanks for this info and I hope to hear from you soon. I wish you luck in you're investigations and hopefully something new can reveal us more from the Olmec, if you can try to see if there are writing in the central highlands, it might show how the Olmec interactec with other central mesoamerican groups in the center and western Mesoamerica. Thanks again and good luck.
redneck641 3 years ago
...It needs more focus with other mesoamerican groups to proove that their writing was influenced by the Olmecs. One more thing, there is absolutely no evidence that Comalcalco was an educative center, its surroundings shows it was more for the explotations of local natural resources like cocoa and fruits but if there was once a university, the archaeological evidence has not revealed anything related to a university, one education, check data from the Tepuchcalli and Calmecac in Tenochtitlan.
redneck641 3 years ago
Neil Steede, in Preliminary Catalogue of the Comalcalco Bricks, published a number of bilingual Mayan-Olmec inscription. The vast number of foriegn inscriptions in this catalogue make it clear that this site was an educative center.
Olmec98 3 years ago
Thanks for the recomendation, I will try and find this info cause it looks very interesting, but I'll try and find more information about the site's research because in my opinion, it needs more field evidence to proove once and for all that Comalcalco was used as an educative center. I'll try and reply as soon as I can.
redneck641 3 years ago
ok well this has an interesting point of view ammongst the Olmec. unfortunately we have to find more evidence to proove that the Olmec really came from Africa. An other point is that most of the sites in the end are mainly Maya and even though they did probably have contact with the Olmec in the Formative period, their writing was quite diferent from Olmec. one last point is that the Olmec didnt build stone piramids, they built them with clay. This was interesting buwe need more evidence.
redneck641 3 years ago
The bilingual text discussed in the movie make it clear that at the base of the Mayan writing are syllabic Olmec symbols. The jaguar sub-pyramids of the Mayan pyramidas were built of stone and were probably contructed by Olmec.
Olmec98 3 years ago
This is interesting as well but how come the Maya were the only ones to adopt their writing when other Formative mesoamerican groups didn't manage to obtain the writing? Chalcatzingo, Teopantecuanitlan and Tlatilco in the highlands had strong Olmec influences but later during the Classic, didn't continue using the writing, in fact there is no evidence of writing for other mesoamerican groups (or at least they are yet to be found).
redneck641 3 years ago
It is difficult to answer this question. It would appear that the Maya, given the Mande substratum in many Mayan languages lived for extensive period of time in a bilingual Olmec environment and adopted many Olmec cultural experienxes during this time. The Maya took many elements of Olmec civilization and moulded into their own unique image. This is why we find the Mayan imprint on its pyramidial architecture and reinvention of Olmec syllabic symbols into Mayan hieroglyphics.
Olmec98 3 years ago
This can be qute interesting for archaeological and linguistical research, there is a stone found in Veracruz years ago that contains probable Olmec writing "La Piedra Mojarra" is a stella that contains lots of Olmec (or Epi-Olmec) information it could give a bigger point of view for Olmec life (though it might only tell us about the life of a certain king or a kind of ritual). I hope that further research could reveal more from the Olmec and its people. I hope to know more in the future.
redneck641 3 years ago
I don't think that it's fair to say the Olmec people introduced Mayans to their culture. How can you say that Mayans didn't have culture before they ran into the Olmecs. Humans have culture, it's apart of being human. Now did they exchange ideas? That's a greater possibility. But I think it's far stretching and just plain wrong to suggest that Mayan people didn't have a highly developed culture of their own before they met the Olmec.
jahlin87 3 years ago
You are right the Mayan people did have a highly developed culture but many of the elements of this culture came from the Olmec like writing and pyramid building.
The Romans also had a highly developed culture. But most experts will agree that many elements of this culture originated with the Greeks and were refined by the Romans.
Olmec98 3 years ago
Thanks for this PowerPoint, I'm working on a PowerPoint on the Olmecs and this really helped me. thanks!
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CiscoXxCarrillo 3 years ago
You are welcome.
Olmec98 3 years ago
Exactly. Spoken like a gentleman and a scholar.
MEXICAFOLKS 3 years ago
Dr. Winters has presented papers on Olmec writing at many National Conferences including: The decipherment of the Olmec writing. 74th Ann Meet Cent. States Anth Soc;Jaguar kings: Olmec Royalty and religious leaders in the first person 75th Ann Meet Cent States Anth Soc;The Olmec Religion,75th Ann Meet Cent States Anth Soc;Olmec symbolism in Mayan Writing 76th Ann Meet Cent States Anth Soc;Olmec voices: The syllabic signs. 98Ann Meet Am Anth Asoc.Check the programs of meetings to verify.
Olmec98 3 years ago
The Olmec civilization began around 1200 BC. Mande speaking Africans were already at LaVenta and San Lorenzo. These Africans had already left inscriptions throughout North Africa and the Sahara by this time.
Olmec98 3 years ago
Thank you Dr. Winters for this insightful information and scholarly research.
SeeMeFlow 4 years ago