True News Feedback: How to Talk to People About Obama's Health Care Bill

[Samhainlilly]

Please could you tell me where the link is for that article, it is off great interest to me as I am in the UK, Thank you.

Please keep up the good work while you can and I can still watch you (Euro Digital bill) . :)

[rockstarofredondo]

I say people soak up as much benefits as they can while this system is going through it's final death throes. Get financial aid, apply for every financial benefit you "qualify" for & take in as much as you can in the way of "public" benefits. I think it will help kill this system off faster.

[givethemahand]

It doesn't seem to make any difference to the anti reform crowd that the recently passed US reforms have very little in common with the UK or Canada systems.

Personally i am getting pretty sick of straw-man arguments that compare the US health care bill with UK or Canada. Its like comparing apples and oranges.. actually more like apples and hockey sticks.

[nurbSoldier]

@givethemahand It doesn't seem to make any difference to the "reform" crowd that the US government fails at most of what it does or that Obama has broken so many of his other campaign promises.

Personally I am getting sick of idiots who think that some retard (US Government) is going to somehow pass the calculus exam (making a better healthcare system).

[nurbSoldier]

@givethemahand besides, Stef is totally in favor of actual reform. He wants healthcare to be a free market function, not 66% government controlled, cartelized and paid for (which is the status quo), nor does he want healthcare to be even more mediocre (like the ones that are 100% government run and paid for).

[newperve]

Note that this is from the Guardian, not exactly a free market champion.

[jerami101]

4:17, you need to do that more! I love it, it keeps people's attention. Peace brother...

[codylee469you]

Everyone wants to get all crazy over this peice of legislation.....i vote and make my opinion on what i feel is best for me and my family....which is what we all do right? Well when a bill affects my job and my way of life i am opposed to it......Just be thankful we are able to respectfully disagree about this.....if the people wanna change it then do it with your vote in November.....stick to what you believe and never let anyone stray you from what you feel is right....

[bobpax]

HA!!! @ 13:54 Great!!!. Stef, how bout we line up some investors, hire a pro to write the screenplay, and call it "The Attack Of The Fifty Foot Statist" or if we run over budget, "The Statist That Time Forgot" A Documentary. Oh, by the way, Stef, start working on your acceptance speech for the "Awards" next year. Definitely a shoo in. No time like the present.

As always, keep it coming.

Pax

Bob

[sirscutter]

another great screen capture portrait of the big chatty forehead

[fiftycaliberfistfuck]

I don't get it. Why WOUDLN'T you rather spend gobs of money on taking care of your people, rather than spend gobs of money on the military to kill people. One is sane, the other, totally insane. Simply take 75% of the money that gets poured down the toilet of defense spending and put it on health care, and you'd cover those costs by 10x. No more taxpayer spending required, perhaps, even a lot less.

[SanieClaws]

@fiftycaliberfistfuck

Less stealing isn't better than more stealing because stealing is wrong. Even if money is stolen and then spent for you, it's wrong to steal.

[yo1dude1man]

Like the letter writer said - it is the Health Insurance Corporations that DECIDE on amount of payout for patient coverage. Why? Because the Health Insurance industry controls EVERYTHING. They decide who lives and who dies.

This wasn't a true free-market system designed for maximum coverage at the lowest possible price. This was some sort of sick Nazi-Fascist bull-sh!t, labeled as Capitalism, to exterminate the poor.

[RLore18]

@yo1dude1man

The only reason anyone could be forced to comply with an insurance company's edict on payouts would be if the state enforced such edicts with violence. The amount of choice involved in your purchases is directly proportionate to how good of a service you will receive and how reasonable the price will be. Why do you shake your fist at the CEO when it's the state which is the only entity capable of destroying your freedom of choice? The CEOs are just using what is available to them.

[mihaiguy]

I wish I could be as optimistic as you towards the end there, Stef.

[MRSketch09]

@Vid/stefbot

You talk about how the state is in its death throws...

Do you mean like the states in the US? Or do you mean the US as a whole?

Or are you talking about all governments in general?

Just curious.

[NoGuff]

I just love how it's going to be the IRS running our nationalized medicine.

Could you possibly call it ironic seeing that its the Democraps who designed it this way? I don't know. In a way, you had to see it coming, I guess.

May God help us.

[TigronX]

Borrowers will come flying in like xtmas morning and consuming everything they can get their hands on, but everything is taxed. But who cares? Everything is so cheap. People will make that money back. Day traders in the stock market, for example, will have to pay a tax on every trade they make. Today a day trader can technically trade unlimited amount of times and not pay taxes unless his account closes with gains. But, who cares? Look at all the money coming in! It's a stampede!

[TigronX]

Part 1: I don't agree that the state monster is about to keel over and die. I think that face you saw is a monster doing a line of coke and getting ready to start the party. I see that the demand for credit has been dammed off. I see that the federal tax system will be reformed to the Fair Tax system, and then I see the credit floodgates opening like no tomorrow.

[Torakization]

Boo Obama Care! Hands off my Bankster Care !

[marniespeaks]

trust private business over government?

[Agitpropist]

@marniespeaks

Neither, really.

[marniespeaks]

@Agitpropist

catch 22

[northpal2]

Stef , excellent as always.

I disagree with the best falling though.

I see the beast as a calculated entity to create havoc, the selected cure is already thought out and laid out by the owners of the beast.

[ALittleBitPregnant]

I don't believe that the state is gone...but I can hope!

[Surhotchaperchlorome]

In short, you were saying that the cost of becoming a doctor (time, education costs, their built up debt) is a part of health care costs.

Or something like that.

[RogueSwordThesco]

6:27

BWHAHAHA

[chaseantarctica]

so good

[noaa2337]

I don't believe monopoly is the crux of this problem. First, doctors' number one issue during each and every appointment is: What can I do so I do not get sued? It does not matter what it cost the patient or if their treatment is necessary--all they care about is avoiding litigation. The number two problem is corruption which was evident during the Swine Flu pandemic. Once I heard you recommend going to the gym regularly to help minimize trips to the doctor. Amen to that!

[noaa2337]

I don't believe monopoly is the crux of this problem. Doctors' number one issue during each and every appointment is: What can I do so I do not get sued? It does not matter what it costs the patient or if their treatment is necessary--all they care about is avoiding litigation. I would also argue that the number two problem is corruption which was evident during the Swine Flu pandemic. Once you recommend going to the gym regularly to help minimize trips to the doctor. Amen to that!

[thelastholdout]

Lol, I love the expression on your face as you're imitating the monster. You should do a screenshot and use that as your avatar. :D

Great followup to your original video, Stef. I think that these are incredible points to bring up to the people who think that statism is the way to get things done anywhere in the world.

[gypster2004]

9:30..... so much truth and love, Stef, thank you! xoxx

[gypster2004]

Politics is all such a terrible circus. I am astounded that more people don't see through it.

[hughtub]

Statists forget that the powers one party creates to enlarge govt still exist when they lose an election, and that if the liberal or conservative view the other as evil, then their support for increasing the power of the govt under "good rule" will harm them in the future when "evil" overtakes that power in future elections.

[LeksServices]

@hughtub - Great point! But please address how getting rid of government solves any of the world's problems, please, when the War on Terra is caused by a bunch of rich people fucking the world over for a buck, please. I mean, how does eliminating government stop strip mining, high-sulphur emissions, the dumping of poisons in to our rivers, lakes and streams, and the destruction of the rain forests, just so you can have a new iPod or Cadillac?

[hughtub]

@LeksServices I think it's reasonable that pollution can be shown to harm others, and is therefore criminal in some cases. Again though, as stef has said, the wrongs of governments far surpass any individual worst case scenario that could arise from a system that prevented predatory groups from arising, which is what a govt is at its worst.

[MaikUniversum]

so you want one solution to all problems??? you are very naive :)

[1schwererziehbar1]

nice movie analogies !!

[LeksServices]

Hmmmm ... Mebbe Stef will do us a H U G E favor and address the point that capitalism is all about making the rich get richer and fucking the planet for a buck by have a civil discussion with FKN Newz. But somehow, I doubt it, since FKN Newz is right, and Stef is wrong, and he knows this.

[TheJacolyte]

@LeksServices Who evicts people? Police. Who passes laws requiring loans to people who can't pay them back? The government. Who acts as gatekeeper to China's cheap exports? Oh, right, a government bureau. Who gave away trillions of your dollars to banks? Who do corporations turn to when they do want to fuck you in the ass? Lobbyists. The government is a tool used by corporations. If you hate corporations, take away their gun (the government.)

[LeksServices]

@TheJacolyte Who destroys the planet in the interest of making a buck? Wealthy capitalists. Who would drop the sulphur scrubbers and use high sulphur coal to make electricity, without regards of the damage they'll do to the planet, to get a little more effeciency? Capitalists. Who makes you work for them so you can pay them for being born, for your food, for your water, for your shelter? Capitalists.

[TheJacolyte]

@LeksServices "Who destroys the planet in the interest of making a buck? Wealthy capitalists." I agree completely, but you're missing the main point. The government helps them get away with it. The government is on their side, not the peoples'. The government will never be on your side, because the government's goal is to make money!

I don't know why you're arguing with me, honestly, the government is every bit as capitalist as Wal-Mart.

[rayyf69]

@LeksServices Have you considered that many of these natural resources are publicly owned adn that the core of the problem is that some margin of the owners do not care about this thing they own? This apathy or low preference for the maintenance of these resources will result in policy decisions that automatically cause their destruction and depletion. If you want more collectivization wouldnt that mean integrating more marginal ownership rights to people who dont care about these resources ?

[hughtub]

@LeksServices Capitalism uses voluntary TRANSACTIONS. Government uses FORCED transactions. Yes, everyone wants to get richer. Money is just a measurement of favors. You get more of it by doing favors for other people.

[TheJacolyte]

@LeksServices The world's problems are not caused by capitalism. Who is it that does the evictions of people who default on a loan? The police. Who are the people who gave your money away to corporations? The government. Who is it that acts as gatekeeper to cheap goods in China? The government, not Wal-Mart. Who is it that makes legislation requiring banks to give out predatory loans? The government, Community Reinvestment Act, buddy.

[LeksServices]

@TheJacolyte - Who is it that demands money just for your birth? Capitalists. Who demands labor be so poorly paid as to be unable to make a living? Capitalists. Who demands that you pay for your food, your water, your clothing, and even your shelter? Capitalists. Who demands you slave away for every little thing you want and need? Capitalists.

[TheJacolyte]

@LeksServices Who is friends with the capitalists? The government. Who gives the capitalists their power? The government.

Capitalism is just a completely human thing that isn't going away. In order to live a normal life, you have to acknowledge what simply is, so you can plan around it. Ignoring the fact that everyone has needs and desires will get you nowhere. Granting the government more power is giving capitalists more power. By definition, everyone who has a market need is a capitalist.

[rayyf69]

@LeksServices Have you read Marx's sociological definition of capitalism ? If so then you must know Marx's opinions of the state. You seem to gloss over the state as if it has no influence on the economic outcomes that result in class stratification, that demonstrates extreme bias. At least read some Marx.

[LeksServices]

@TheJacolyte - One more thing - the Wal-Mart cheap goods thing ... that's a classic example your capitalist puppet masters at work ... on the gubberment. Are you actually suggesting that the gubberment should raise a wall against chinese goods?

[BIackOp]

@LeksServices You are not providing a case against the market, you are proving that Government intervention and Central Planning is utter chaos. Price fixing, wage fixing, interest rate monopolies all make the consumer a slave. Capitalism in your religious view is some form of tyranny, when in reality all forms of Statism is tyrannical. The main fallacy in your beliefs originate that people just accepted it; when the truth is Government provides the drug and makes the decisions for us.

[BIackOp]

@BIackOp Btw a market regulated by the State is a market created by the State, a prop up economy that will collapse because of all the mal-investments created by the Fed that will always differ from real demand. Consumerism, to me, is a Keynesian fallacy that spending money is wealth, its to legitimize Government debt nothing more, not real economics. I suggest mises(dot)org for real economics.

[17Spartacus76]

@LeksServices

Yay for strawmen arguments!

[LeksServices]

@17Spartacus76 - How is this a strawman? How is making money "progress?" How is getting this year's Ford, which is last year's Ford with a different boot, "progress?" How is a big screen T.V. "progress?" What's the point of fucking the world over for a buck if consumerism is the ultimate result?

You've never addressed these things. And you know why? BECAUSE YOU CAN'T!

[17Spartacus76]

@LeksServices

It's a strawman because none of those things have anything to do with what Stef said, or anything whatsoever to do with a free market.

You make up these nonsensical rants about 'materialism' because you have nothing to argue with, so you resort to emotional, hysterical rants. Typical socialist trite.

[MaikUniversum]

lol, well said.

[GaudierBrzeska]

It's embarrassing that you get to go out and "vote".

[LeksServices]

@GaudierBrzeska - It's embarassing that you get out and vote. You're so dogmatic about what Stef has to say you don't even realize that there were massive problems with unregulated capitalism. Snake Oil comes to mind.  The frauds and shenannigans that occurred in the late 19th and early 20th century under pure capitalism are more examples. Learn a bit of history before you support an unsupportable position!

[GaudierBrzeska]

Clearly his weed is less potent than yours. More centralisation and more guns = less freedom. Forget money, just break it down to a matter of ethics.

[Visfen]

wtf does the war on terror have to do with capitalism you damn moron...

[f007scott]

Capitalism always makes everyone richer. Every country in the world that has become more capitalistic has benifited the poor in those countries. The poor fair the least well in socialist countries

[0cyris]

Should we just let government to save the planet instead? They have historically done far more damage in the name of the greater good then anything else.

If there is value in a clean and stable environment, and I believe there is, then we need to find a way to capitalize on it. You won't change human nature so we must work with it.

[rahulk552008]

stef, you should do a video on the socialist poster-boy, aka norway. why does socialism work there?

[mortenn666]

@rahulk552008 :

Lots of oil, not very much people.

[LastReplaySC]

well a ball systen isnt a cube. by that I mean that Norways health service works with a different comercial mannor, but other Govt services Totally suck. Do also remember they have a total dfferent taxation system and they do not have as manny poeple to account for as other Nations ....... like the USA.

[17Spartacus76]

@rahulk552008

Socialism isn't working in Norway at all. Read "We're Rich, You're Not. End of Story." by Bruce Bawer

[furyofbongos]

How do you know socialism works in Norway. While not an expert, I have a relative who owns a construction business and he says it's very difficult to make a hight income in Norway because of the very high taxation.

[f007scott]

Norway is not that incredibly socialist. Soviet russia would be the socialist poster-boy. Norway is relatively free market oriented about as much as germany and finland, which are some of the more capitalist countries in europe

[mannyvelo]

Thanks Stef. Good stuff. As always, learned lots.

[PanzerDivisionBOM]

@Stef:

Ingenius!

Massive props not only for the rational ideas, but for the calmly passionate delivery. I watched some of your early videos earlier, and the extra effort here really shines through. : )

As a survivor of monopoly medicine, I feel for the people stateside. They just have no idea what they're walking into. Oh, the stories I could tell...

[FUZZYisBIG]

You are wonderfully humble Stef

[hughtub]

@FUZZYisBIG He's humble, but sometimes it's preferable for someone with well conceived principles to be "arrogant". Frank Lloyd Wright said "I'd rather be honestly arrogant than hypocritically humble." When someone is right, they should not be humble. Truth is too serious and valuable to not present it boldly without compromise.

[45a14]

3rd.  Another good vlog.

Keep dishin' it out.

[pelucas716]

nice stef powerful stuff

[drew335533]

Alright ya Stef, I'm at 13:12 right now. I know what you mean, and this argument can defiantly be expanded, as I'm sure you know. I know a fellow who owns a successful, or it was successful, trucking business. His income taxes have gone up drastically as well as the taxes upon the company to pay for unions and such. All this creates is that the company has to cut more employees and do less business to save more money.

[SCTV]

more fficient bizz or bankrupt you mean?!