I have to admit, as big of a Raven fan as I was during his ECW days, I was never impressed with him before then...likely because he was never given the creative freedom to do what he knew he could do until he worked for Paul E.
@x2xtreme360 I know I was saying that even raven had that Jim Morrison look to him then, they just didn't go with a character like WWE did with John Morrison. We're all aware of where WWE got the character.
@bdscavenger no JT is not van hammer he was actually fueding with van hammer at the time of this match he brought scotty flemingo (raven) in to help him against van hammer
damn i remember flamingo but i never put 2 and 2 together. had no clue that was raven. i miss old wcw with that blue ring floor.. takes me back to my childhood
wow how many guys started in wcw or wwf/e in the late 80s and early 90s and made the switch between those 2 and sometimes ECW? haha this is crazy and why does JT southern look like a bootleg Jeff Jarrett
Before this, he was Scotty the Body in Portland Wrestling. I have some matches with him. I believe that was in the 80's. He was there at the same time Piper, Buddy Rose & others were. I think Art Barr was also there as Beetlejuice. The Portland matches I have are mixed with a bunch of other wrestling organizations' matches, so I could be wrong.
Scotty Flamingo & Johnny Polo (another gimmick by Scotty Levy AKA Raven) were so different from the Raven character, it's hard to believe they're the same person.
No it's in Virginia Beach. I forget the name if the wrestling promotion he wrestles for. He comes in about once a month. He tips the cook $5 though. Helluva guy!
Fuck the John Morrison!!!!! And every new star WWE puts out now. Nothing but a bunch of talentless boobs that have to resort to using old WCW style characters in order to make a name for themselves.
Side note* Hey vince, come up with an original idea and see how it works out for you. Wait... you did that with the ministry and it failed and you talk shit about WCW yet WWE's biggest draws are old WCW guys and WWE steals old WCW material. HAHAHA. And that was my typical youtuber moment. :P
Even the ministry of darkness was a gothic take on ravens flock, even the crusifix on the takers symbol was taken from the controversial sandmans crusifixion by raven which he had to appologise for after!
@RaVeN8nevermore This is true. Vince can't do anything worth a damn on his own. WWE got this big by stealing other talent/ideas then buying the companies that produced them.
@eatabullet Dude that a good point you made. Most fans complain how WCW and TNA used WWE old stars but the WWE does the same thing and nobody ever mention that except for you.
@Bloodsport1 Thanks. It's true. Undertaker? WCW guy. Flair, Rhodes, Don the dragon Wilson, Lex Lugar, Andre, Slaughter, All of these guys really made WWF because Vince went after the best Talent in WCW. And he still does this a lot with other companies but no one will admit it since he buys the companies before he puts them on WWE. Cena, Batista, Punk, All of these guys were in indy promotions first then vince bought them and made them big stars that suck. What About Edge you say? WCW Jobber.
@eatabullet even Scott Steiner said that in a shoot promo. Its true and people bash TNA for having plenty of WWE guys but dont WWE have ROH main event star Bryan Danielson.
@eatabullet but some of those guys were nobodies in WCW. taker was a mid carder at best, Austin was fired cuz he, according to Bischoff, had no charisma. yes, Vince bought out WCW guys. Punk was in ROH/TNA. had an awesome feud with Samoa Joe while he was in ROH. Cena and Orton, Vince didnt think they would do as good as they did so he sent them to the minors. Orton and Cena have had feuds dating back to OVW
Yes I am calling VKM a bad booker. The Invasion flopped because Vince's ego got in the way. Bischoff is the reason wrestling sucks. The inflated salaries that he gave wrestlers makes it difficult for smaller companies to compete with WWE. Bischoff tried to make TNA into WCW, which didn't work. Yet even more proof that I am right.
@toyotaecw What? Because Vince botched an angle that means he can't book properly? Don't be so silly. You're talking as if you're in the business, people like you are annoying, just because you've seen a few shoot interviews you think you know everything!
you both put up a great argument but still its all about money and entertainment and whatever WWE and TNA management has to do to win fans you better believe they will do.
21 years old?! he was 27 when he did this
annabellejonesify 2 months ago
quote the fag nevermore
annabellejonesify 2 months ago
Raven as a cruiserweight? What the fuck?
Moredread25 2 months ago
I like how he used that flowpot line again as Raven in TNA.
ItsDuckSandwichFilms 1 year ago
LOL
Ghostrider623 1 year ago
What year
Nedelchefff 1 year ago
i actually remember watching this on this on t.v he had some awesome matches with flyin byran
rosengalionheart 1 year ago
Raven should have been the anti hero guy to beat Hogan Hogan for the title in 97
Brockthepain 1 year ago
quote the flamingo nevermore
MrEdwardtaylor1984 1 year ago 5
LOL :) When Raven was pinning him it looked like Joey Maggs was sucking his dick
TheNeverm0re 1 year ago
Quote the Flamingo...Nevermore
Psycho5275 1 year ago 8
Whatever happened to this guy?
TheTruthItHurts 1 year ago
@TheTruthItHurts he is raven or do you mean the other guy??
bundybear666 1 year ago
Damn, Raven truly is a trend setter. He was Morrison before Morrison, then he was cool calm poetic heel before Jeff Hardy.
MizfitBeats 1 year ago
jt southern is jeff jarrett
Styme2002 1 year ago
@Styme2002 No he isn't
radonma 1 year ago
@Styme2002 no hes not, he does look lik him tho but i searched jt southern nd he has his own wiki page!!!!
fanofwwe 1 year ago
Haha oh shit, I remember Joey Maggs. WCW's answer to Dale Wolfe. Nastiest mullet since Ricky Morton (who still sports that horrid shit).
GLITZandGLOOM 1 year ago
@GLITZandGLOOM He kept that look till the end, RIP Maggs
HotVanilla99 1 year ago
@HotVanilla99
Oh wow, he died? I didn't know that. One of the more well-known jobbers out there.
GLITZandGLOOM 1 year ago
@GLITZandGLOOM Yeah, I think in '06. I used to see him around town quite a bit, good dude.
HotVanilla99 1 year ago
i never thought raven ever looked like that im used to seeing him covered in blood lol
11094DEREK 1 year ago
I have to admit, as big of a Raven fan as I was during his ECW days, I was never impressed with him before then...likely because he was never given the creative freedom to do what he knew he could do until he worked for Paul E.
DaveInOCNJ 1 year ago
I remember this. Wow, I'm glad he didn't do the Genius rhyme gimmick much longer.
toodarkmark 1 year ago
my favorite scott anthony character is johnny polo in 90s wwf.. that was incredible
ERock471 1 year ago
UNCLE SCOTTY!! (Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap)
HipnosisV1Games 1 year ago 3
Does no one know who JIM MORRISON is!? JOHN Morrison is a rip off of JIM Morrison. Not Scotty Flamingo.
x2xtreme360 1 year ago
@x2xtreme360 I know I was saying that even raven had that Jim Morrison look to him then, they just didn't go with a character like WWE did with John Morrison. We're all aware of where WWE got the character.
eatabullet 1 year ago
Amazing that this is Raven in the begining. Joey Maggs was a excellent worker who passed away too soon.
quietriotfan1976 1 year ago
is jt souther really van hammer? raven looks completely different then. he put on weight and mussel mass by the time he became raven.
bdscavenger 1 year ago
@bdscavenger no JT is not van hammer he was actually fueding with van hammer at the time of this match he brought scotty flemingo (raven) in to help him against van hammer
nighteye002 1 year ago
Raven looks like John Morrison with less Roids. Joey Maggs is dead now.
1981CrueHead 1 year ago
Sheamus=Goldberg
Beth Phoenix=Chyna
Jack Swagger=Kurt Angle
cripchulo 1 year ago
Jumpin Joey Maggs Forever!!
MREB414 1 year ago
Wow Raven looked cute there so young.
WCWite 1 year ago
"flyin' bryan's too nice a guy"
Whaledignity 1 year ago
damn i remember flamingo but i never put 2 and 2 together. had no clue that was raven. i miss old wcw with that blue ring floor.. takes me back to my childhood
DopeisBack 1 year ago
Who is JT Southern? He looks very familiar too.
RicoLen1 1 year ago
@RicoLen1 thats what i thought, i was thinkin val venusbut it cant be can it?
DuncanoBoydo 1 year ago
@RicoLen1 it's Jeff Jarret. no, really.
ManiacFresh 1 year ago
Ventura was a great announcer.
TheArtofUTube 1 year ago
JT Sothgern is BG James with ablonde wig how gay
jobber1976 1 year ago
what wcw show was this?
kttz6c 1 year ago
you know john morrison totally stole raven's flamingo's gimmick
gorilocks 1 year ago
wow how many guys started in wcw or wwf/e in the late 80s and early 90s and made the switch between those 2 and sometimes ECW? haha this is crazy and why does JT southern look like a bootleg Jeff Jarrett
MCJay2daSun 1 year ago
RIP Joey Maggs
gtz1975 1 year ago
Is JT Southern supposed to be a poor man's Michael PS Hayes?
mrtrin 1 year ago
what ever happen to joey maggs?
TheBigwwefan1000 2 years ago
@TheBigwwefan1000 He died in 2006 :(
gtz1975 1 year ago
Before this, he was Scotty the Body in Portland Wrestling. I have some matches with him. I believe that was in the 80's. He was there at the same time Piper, Buddy Rose & others were. I think Art Barr was also there as Beetlejuice. The Portland matches I have are mixed with a bunch of other wrestling organizations' matches, so I could be wrong.
wtcvidman 2 years ago
Scotty Flamingo & Johnny Polo (another gimmick by Scotty Levy AKA Raven) were so different from the Raven character, it's hard to believe they're the same person.
speedbuggy 2 years ago
i still cant believe this was raven
TheHardyzfan87 2 years ago
what year was this? when did he go to wwe to become johnny polo?
wholefnshow1 2 years ago
Damn he do put me in the mind of Morrison lol.
bbvol5 2 years ago 2
I can see a resemblence between Flamingo & John Morrison when I watch this match.
mramo 2 years ago 2
Im glad he went to the grunge look... he looked nerdy as hell .. but he always kept the spoiled rich kid background...
CircaMay85 2 years ago 3
omg is that from like the 80's. i'm in shock, thats not the raven i knw and love lol
madamarsh 2 years ago
Raven comes in to Village In where I work to eat all the time.
Med- Well 5/.oz Steak with Country potatoes and Ov. Med Egggs
dirtybutter 2 years ago
Cool, is that in Atlanta?
RealGoldenhoney007 2 years ago
No it's in Virginia Beach. I forget the name if the wrestling promotion he wrestles for. He comes in about once a month. He tips the cook $5 though. Helluva guy!
dirtybutter 2 years ago
he actually looks normal here
Crookmeisteren 2 years ago
wow its soooooo werid to see raven like this in his early days compared to how dark he looks now
bazzaxtreame 2 years ago
t5his is dumber than he*&
1985HotRod 2 years ago
Haha Joey Maggs WCW very own Brooklyn brawler. This guy was always on WCW pro, WCW Saturday Night, WCW worldwide. Never made it on nitro lol
Slacker4LiFe247 2 years ago 2
Brooklyn Brawler from Baltimore that's weird...
CircaMay85 2 years ago
Raven looked a lot like John Morrison looks these days.
marcus813 2 years ago 8
Raven as a cocky pretty boy? wow
(head explodes)
ez8195 2 years ago 2
is that john morrison ?
fiendz23 2 years ago
nah it's raven but they do kinda look alike
DEANGELATOR 2 years ago
Fuck the John Morrison!!!!! And every new star WWE puts out now. Nothing but a bunch of talentless boobs that have to resort to using old WCW style characters in order to make a name for themselves.
Side note* Hey vince, come up with an original idea and see how it works out for you. Wait... you did that with the ministry and it failed and you talk shit about WCW yet WWE's biggest draws are old WCW guys and WWE steals old WCW material. HAHAHA. And that was my typical youtuber moment. :P
eatabullet 2 years ago 2
Even the ministry of darkness was a gothic take on ravens flock, even the crusifix on the takers symbol was taken from the controversial sandmans crusifixion by raven which he had to appologise for after!
RaVeN8nevermore 2 years ago
@RaVeN8nevermore This is true. Vince can't do anything worth a damn on his own. WWE got this big by stealing other talent/ideas then buying the companies that produced them.
eatabullet 1 year ago
@eatabullet Dude that a good point you made. Most fans complain how WCW and TNA used WWE old stars but the WWE does the same thing and nobody ever mention that except for you.
Bloodsport1 1 year ago 2
@Bloodsport1 Thanks. It's true. Undertaker? WCW guy. Flair, Rhodes, Don the dragon Wilson, Lex Lugar, Andre, Slaughter, All of these guys really made WWF because Vince went after the best Talent in WCW. And he still does this a lot with other companies but no one will admit it since he buys the companies before he puts them on WWE. Cena, Batista, Punk, All of these guys were in indy promotions first then vince bought them and made them big stars that suck. What About Edge you say? WCW Jobber.
eatabullet 1 year ago
@eatabullet even Scott Steiner said that in a shoot promo. Its true and people bash TNA for having plenty of WWE guys but dont WWE have ROH main event star Bryan Danielson.
Bloodsport1 1 year ago
@Bloodsport1 wwe only has 2 roh guys
rjr0228 1 year ago
@eatabullet but some of those guys were nobodies in WCW. taker was a mid carder at best, Austin was fired cuz he, according to Bischoff, had no charisma. yes, Vince bought out WCW guys. Punk was in ROH/TNA. had an awesome feud with Samoa Joe while he was in ROH. Cena and Orton, Vince didnt think they would do as good as they did so he sent them to the minors. Orton and Cena have had feuds dating back to OVW
proddster 1 year ago
@proddster
That just shows you the problem with the Wrestling business:
Great booker+bad businessman=Paul Heyman
Good Businessman+badbooker=Vince McMahon
Dumbass=Eric Bischoff
toyotaecw 1 year ago 2
@toyotaecw You're calling Vince McMahon a bad booker? And you have the nerve to call Bischoff a dumbass...
manicmacintosh 1 year ago
@manicmacintosh
Yes I am calling VKM a bad booker. The Invasion flopped because Vince's ego got in the way. Bischoff is the reason wrestling sucks. The inflated salaries that he gave wrestlers makes it difficult for smaller companies to compete with WWE. Bischoff tried to make TNA into WCW, which didn't work. Yet even more proof that I am right.
toyotaecw 1 year ago
@toyotaecw What? Because Vince botched an angle that means he can't book properly? Don't be so silly. You're talking as if you're in the business, people like you are annoying, just because you've seen a few shoot interviews you think you know everything!
manicmacintosh 1 year ago
@eatabullet By the way it's Raven who was the first to see Punk's potential...
lcsa60 1 year ago
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@eatabullet By the way Edge was the wwf "Raven" and Raven was first who saw Punk's potential.
lcsa60 1 year ago
you both put up a great argument but still its all about money and entertainment and whatever WWE and TNA management has to do to win fans you better believe they will do.
lilwdog 1 year ago
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fiendz23 2 years ago
Mmmm. lol!
ForeverHardcore1313 2 years ago
lol, his voice cracks so often in this promo. He must be nervous.
RedCancer 2 years ago
scotty flamingo the ORIGINAL john morrison
ps3tna 2 years ago 48
Rick Rude, the original Soctty Flamingo
RedCancer 2 years ago
wow thats who i thought it was before i clicked the video...then i saw the title...
MassTransit999 2 years ago
so true...then he was Johnny Polo and managed the Quebecers in WWE
mooky9669 2 years ago
@ps3tna Jim Morrison... the ORIGINAL john morrison. lol
Renthefaceless 1 year ago
Never knew David Coverdale was Scotty's manager.
tomwalker389 2 years ago
Nice to see he even rapped back then, even if that doesn't have much on Burn in Hell
havok667 2 years ago
john morrison anyone?
explodingninja 2 years ago 41
lol i know!
xfghkhjfsejid 2 years ago
I hope you mean this is where Vince got the idea for John Morrison. Right?
eatabullet 2 years ago
THANK U!!! Ive been lookin all over for this!!! Tha evolution of Raven through pro wrestling is just Amazing!!!
thuggin83 2 years ago 4