Very tragic story. Sadly, the incompetence of the KAL pilots, if the story is as it appears to be, is beyond description. I am familiar with the navigation system and I find it hard to believe the waypoints would sequence being that far off course. At some point it seems the waypoint would be stuck because the 747 went nowhere near it so it would not sequence to the next one but I am not sure. Something seems wrong here. Either way, it seems impossible for the crew to not see the problem.
As the pilot said,you can disguise every plane like a civilian...Also I think I have already said it...the pilot receives order from the ground.And for not obeying these orders...there will be consequences for him.I am from Bulgaria and I can tell what were the punishments for disagreeing!You just don't have an idea...put all that with the previous violances and the evasive maneuver and you have a plane shot down.
i also touched on the reds(earlier post) CLEARLY violating US airspace with B 5s and to this day not a one was shot down..cuz we try not to jump the gun..we have.. but more thought tends to go into our jumping of the gun..theres no excuse for that pilots to shoot down a civilian jet..they thought it was the spy jet sitting off the coast and wanted to shoot it down..PLAIN and simple..hell even china didnt shoot down our P3 when we got caught clearly spying....they thought it through..
rhodium, did you listen to the narrator in the previous section? Its similar to a situation where if a lost newspaper boy walking on to your front lawn at late night, you just shoot him. I am certain you would be the shooter just like that retarded Soviet pilot who, to this day, still believes he shot down a spy plane with no civilian passengers.
The Soviet pilot is a brain washed military moron who still believes he shot down a spy plane. Stalin should have killed more than 20 million of its own people during World War II. Russians are mostly inbred and inferior race, so there is no loss there.
The figher pilots Are killers,this is their job!The Soviets were in their full right to shoot the plane down...the Americans would have done the same and every other country which is a superpower.
if i were a pilot i would of confirmed the intent of my target before i killed so many lifes needlessly..and diving/hard banks/ECM and chaffs are pretty much ur options.no pilot in their right mind would climb in a heavy u b a sitting duck...please read my previous postsinfo 4 u so u dont say some half cocked remark w/o knowing ones credentials or the facts..
@0013kaos Put in mind that the fighter pilot did not had enough time to identify it...put in mind that if it was really a spy plane,the enemy would had much information about what was happening in that part of the Soviet Union.And if there was a reserch centre in the area (something in which I am sure,otherwise you would not spy there),you would have information about was was being developed there.And if the fighet pilot is wrong...if it's not a passener plane...he haven't done his job!
@Mig29ABG umm there were no spy plane that were 747 jumbos back then..keep in mind that the RC 135 off the coast was already gathering the info..we didnt need to go into russian airspace.i work on 135s and w/o giving away info those things will surprise u what they are capable of..all it would of took was 5 mins to confirm.USSR acted to hastly w/o much after thought.plain and simple..research area has nothing to do w/y we ran that track back then it was the closest we could so we could ease drop
MIG29 ABG.mig 25 has a .4 TWR..and im willing to bet the 747 can out climb a RUSSIAN fighter jet since the russains were world renown for putting powerfull engines into their fighter jets..
MIG29ABG..please look up the thrust to weight ratio of the MIG 29 and tell me if it can maintain a verticle climb w/o a loss in airspeed..if its greater then or = to 1 it can maintain a verticle climb w/o lose n airspeed..the 747 can not perform such a manuver..and will almost immediately loss it airspeed..u point is invalid..FACT at 35k ft all planes airspeed increases due to the lack of air density..ur remark is however true at low alt
so MIG29ABG please learn operating procedures for aircraft in question before you open ur mouth and falsely accuse someone of not knowing WTF they r talking about..i have over 13 years experience working on the same aircraft.. i unlike you do know what the hell im talking about..good day to u and do some research..
Why didn't the soviets contact the plane while it was in international waters or above the first russian peninsula that it crossed? Any chatter in Ruskie would have alerted the pilots that something was wrong. Also the flight path was regular whereas the other spy plane was buzzing around on the radar map.
You can't really blame the fighter jet pilot. Like he said the lights on the tail may have made it look like a civilian plane but it can be a fake disguise. Not to hate on the U.S but at least he took action to defend his country unlike the fail 9/11 incident...
THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST TRAGIC EPISODES EVER. I BELIEVE THE SOVIET PILOT THAT SHOT KOREN AIR DOWN NEW EXACTLY WHAT HE WAS DOING. HE TOOK ALL THOSE LIVES AND JUST TO COVER HIMSELF HE CAME OUT WITH THAT COCK AND BULL STORY. THE HEARTACHE AND PAIN OF THE FAMILIES REMAINING MUST BE DEVASTING. TO ALL THE CREW AND PASSENGERS ON BOARD KAL 007...................R.I.P
Coward fight jet pilot!!! Dares not admit his mistake. No one is to forgive him forever!!!! Giving those idiotic excuses to convince himself. What kind of human he is!!!
Here there is no fault of the pilot. For not performance of the order - he could be executed. The convergence of circumstances has occurred. In this space there was also an American scout plane RC-135. The Soviet command those years very much was nervous and without understanding, what and which is the plane, have given the order.
For the people that think the United States were evil, i would like to say if the United States were to accidentally shoot down a passenger airline. The United States would apologize internationally and compensate the families of the passenger airline with Taxpayer dollars. Soviet Union did not formally apologize or compensate the families of the passenger airline. For that, the Soviet Union is at fault even though it is an accident.
@stegatops no because they need to know if it was a spy plane especially since there were two planes in the air space come on do you guys even watch the video
Mistake for both pilots who were unknowingly doing the wrong thing and don't call me terrorist or America hater because I am American and I hate terrorism so shut it
Guy freak'n shut up I agree with the fighter pilot he won't burn in he'll he's just protecting his country u haters didn't listen to his story he said he saw it looked like a passenger plane but it was night so he could only see the lights but any spy plane could be disguised like this with a few lights so he took it as a spy plane especially since they pulled up which was taken as an evasive maneuver and they were leaving soviet air space so he took them as an intruder and shot them it was a m
@catnipcraze1 no because remember the fighter pilot said he believed they were a passenger plane at first but any spy plane could disguise themselves as a passenger plane with a few lights so he shot them if he called them they could say they were a passenger plane but that wouldn't be proof and they were about to leave the air space so he quickly shot them because if he didn't they and they were spies then they would have info and soviets couldn't shoot them
that was just a bad day for them and for all the peaple who were travlling that night,, everything that anyone tried to do, to avoid that situation went wrong..
I ask all of you commentators to take a min and think about this:
SHOULD THE GOD DAMN BLOODY WAR EVER BE AN EXCUSE FOR KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE? !
THE PILOT COULD'VE HAVE MADE RADIO CONTACT ! THINK ABOUT THIS, HOW HARD IT IS TO CALL THE CIVILIAN AIRLINE AND CONFIRM???
I SAY THIS IS NO ACCIDENT, I SAY THERE ARE A SHITLOAD OF PEOPLE THAT'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS, INCLUDING THE GOD DAMN COMMIE UNION AND UNITED STATES THAT INSTIGATED THE GOD DAMN COLD WAR !
In all honesty I feel no anger or hatred toward Major Osipovich. He was doing his duty, protecting his country and I think you would be hard pushed to find any fighter pilot who would have done any differently.
Perhaps he really still believes he shot a spy plane but it may be that he HAS to believe it....and who could blame him? Who would want 200+ deaths on their hands?
Lesson Learned: war is no good. the Iran Flight in 1988 and this Korea Airlines 1983 are just a piece of happiness that stupid soviet and ugly US army get after killing million people on the ground. peace, no war.
Watch Iran Air Flight 655 (Mistaken Identity). What the American Military did was far much worse than what the Soviets did. Many mistakes were made but the worst were made by the pilots (RIP) who did not investigate how they did not have the same environmental conditions as the plane that was a few minutes behind them. I dont think the soviet pilot is to blame if he got orders to shoot a plane he thought was dangeorous to him and his country. The Soviets were however, wrong to hide the evidence
@bmwpro66 Watch Iran Air Flight 655 (Mistaken Identity). What the American Military did was far much worse than what the Soviets did. Many mistakes were made but the worst were made by the pilots (RIP) who did not investigate how they did not have the same environmental conditions as the plane that was a few minutes behind them. I dont think the soviet pilot is to blame if he got orders to shoot a plane he thought was dangeorous to him and his country.
Dont blame the pilot........he at least made some effort......the Russians could just have easily launched a SAM to intercept the plane with no fighters scrambled at all. At least there was some human element involved. The disaster should have been prevented WAY before this.
well the figther plane man got nice job for that . i give u an example. emmm. what would u do if there is terrorist inside ur house. would u kill him or leave him or have a look around ur house. the figther plane man he did all that. he look around the passager plane he fired warning shot..
well the figther plane man got nice job for that . i give u an example. emmm. what would u do if there is terrorist inside ur house. would u kill him or leave him or have a look around ur house.
KAL007 had pretty much written its own death sentence when they went into USSR airspace at the height of cold war with another US spy plane around the same region. If you are in a war and you wade into opponents territory at night and light a fag the snipers waiting to get you is not going to think, he will shoot and do his job.
I think the pilot just did his job and did it right at the time. The aeroplane was for hours in USSR territory. It was a cold war!!
-the autopilot was on. just it was following a different navigation mode
-ATC don't control what flight-plan a plane takes. just only if their vectors and altitude are heading into a collision and by the time their heading was obviously into russian airspace they would be out of the ATC's radar range they were assigned to.
-verbal warning cant be issued directly to the plane due to the fact military planes carry military radios while commercial jet liners carry commercial radios
and due to the planes unable to communicate with each other, russian military air control could have given the warning. but most likely the korean plane would have ignored it, thinking that the russian was radioing another plane.
remember war, albeit a cold war claims live in more ways than one
but the lack of tracer rounds in the fighter jet was sad, its like saying to ground troops to set up a trip mine without having anything to use as a tripwire
@eisenklad true that, iran air flight 655 was shot down by the US navy killing 290 civilians because they thought it was an enemy fighter jet. they spent several attempts trying to contact the plane to check if it's a civilian plane because some of their instruments was saying it was an airliner, but they only used military channels, hearing no reply they shot it down.
@TheAmazingCreative he did not fucking know man. besides it is fucking army and there is a fucknig command chain and back in those years disobbeying a direct order is equal to signig your own death warrant. if he did not shoot that plane down there was only one thing waiting for him and it is death.
In spite of the pilots explanation, there has still been no proper investigation. No wreckage bigger than one man could carry, has ever been recovered. No engines, no wing pieces. Not one identifiable body. If the Soviets shot it down, they should know where the wreckage. They didn't, they won't, they can't. The Soviets would rather admit to shooting it down than admit that their defence systems is hopeless.
A similar mistake was done BY USS carrier. It shot down an Iranian passenger plane on 1988 over the Persian Gulf...A similar mistake they thought it was an Iranian spy plane as on the same day they were dealing with some Iranian pirate ships. A total mistake..Human error
A similar mistake was done BY USS carrier. It shot down an Iranian passenger plane on 1988 over the Persian Gulf...A similar mistake they thought it was an Iranian spy plane as on the same day they were dealing with some Iranian pirate ships.
Classic Russian behavior. People fail to realize - historically Russians are sloppy in their operations. While it would be concerning for an aircraft to bust airspace, even in the 80s there were plenty of ways to ID aircraft as friend of foe. The aircraft was never in a time critical location in which the soviets had to immediately shoot it down. This comes down to communist aggression and a classic failure to coverup their mistake. The cold war was not black & white. It was good vs evil.
major Osipovich faced a dilemma.... fight and listen to ur mother nation ....go neutral like god and do the truth,(but he would get screwed in ussr) and he didnt know much...., plus he got only minutes to decide (the order was to destroy , but he had to the pushing the button thingy...in few minutes impossible to think wat do ... so he pressed it)
US Air force was playing poker with civilian lives crossing in to soviet skies regularly along a routine civilian flight path. If the soviets hadn't been desperately chasing US planes violating their air space regularly, they would have done more to confirm the intruder. Coz an intruder wouldn't have been normal.
I don't think it was the russian pilot's fault at all... he was just following his orders. to be honest the pilots were careless and didn't check everything like they needed to.
no one can really be put at fault here besides the flight crew on KAL 007. in soviet defense, this was a breach in their national security, and in all honesty, they did have the right to attack, the USA would if we had an unexpected breach. the fighter pilot did nothing wrong really, he was trained to recognize an evasive maneuver and the Airliner simulated it (unknowingly) the Soviets did what was neccesary ATM
the pilots on KAL 007 should've realized they made a simple but costly error sooner
@Sharod101 The only thing the pilots of KAL-007 did wrong, from their perspective, was forget to switch from magnetic heading to INS. As heard on the flight data recorder, they were oblivious to the fact that they had entered Soviet airspace (let alone bieng targeted for destruction)
Tensions between the Soviets and the west, and paranoia of the Cold War set the conditions that allowed this trajedy to take place. Deep-seated mutual hatred is the real cause, not pilot error.
It must have been traumatic for the fighter pilot to have to be silent until 10 years later whilst the crash was definitely reported all over the world. It's a tragedy and it should have never happened - people who lost loved ones. I do hope everyone involved, have managed to come to terms with this tragic accident and what we can do, is to hope that no one has to ever experience this ever again. My condolences to all involved.
I was so angry at the fighter jet pilot until I came round to part 5, an old man having to live with what he has done, i mean what would you do if you killed +300 people? I'm not sticking up for him, I'm just saying.
@ccarlyon97 you cant blame him, it was his orders. it was the crew members who are stupid, forgetting one of the most basics, unknown to them that they are flying these ppl to their doom. its really tragic because both superpowers are using spy planes on each other, and an innocent commercial plane is misidentified and shot down
@ccarlyon97 Yes you are right, but what will you do if you are there, on probably 38.000 ft lonely in your fighter jet looking at a massive 747 when you get the order to shoot it down?
I do not blame the pilot of the fighterjet but the pilot of the 747 that he flew into Sovjet territory while he had
clear sign that he was flying in the wrong direction!
and of course also the fact that there was the Cold War at the time...
@ROTAX129 Well I probably would have shot it down to if I was ordered to do so, but now that we have watched this video I think we probably would have made shore it was a military jet. We learn from our mistakes.
LOL, "what we were trained to do" I am not religious but i hope he is, may he burn in hell if there is one. I was also a soldier, i also grabbed my nuts from time to time to question orders as anyone should. This is simply a sad example of a pilot that did wrong trying to clear his own concious. No excuse. He knows it, now he will try for the rest of his life tojustify his action, good luck on that.
I'm not trying to defend the Russian pilot; I too hate him for claiming innocent lives. But as a psychology major, I'm doing my best to justify his action objectively, by putting my emotion aside. Sometimes it is good to put ourselves into others' shoe so we can empathize with them, asking ourselves questions like, "what would I do if I were him?" so as to gain insights on people's behaviour, rather than blaming him blindly, because that guy is living the rest of his life in uber-guilt.
As to why he shot down the plane in the first place, he could have gone thru a psychological struggle. Living in the USSR then means that one is very likely to comply to what the superior says; or succumbing to the normative social influence. Failure to do so will render him to be rejected by his fellow colleagues. Hence it is to his interests to bring the plane down; furthermore, as a matter of fact, he did perform the standard protocol before bringing the plane down.
The Russian pilot is a victim of this incident too. The fact that he is convinced that KE007 is a trespasser shows what is called in social psychology, a "cognitive dissonance". Because shooting down a civilian plane full of innocent people is distressing, he rather denies that KE007 is a civilian plane, thereby reducing the dissonance or the psychological discomfort.
I was impressed with the comprehensive way in which this investigation was carried out. It all fits together and makes sense. The pilots - all of them - made a series of mistakes. It's too bad.
@UVAlaw10 Yeah i agree, and also, if he was at the side of the plane, did the russian not see the registration number? flag of origin? and massive letters that say KOREAN AIRLINES etc etc...
ya i think there may have been a cover up.and proper procedures werent followed..there is no excuse for what happend w/the cruiser other than inproper procedures..we do make mistakes and for that im sorry for the lives that were lost..trust me i know justice is far a few these days..
@0013kaos It's rooted in the culture of buerocracy. Even if someone screws up, it must not be found out because then the entire corporation will have to deal with the fallout. If you screw up - like, shoot down a passanger plane -, deny it and never put the blame on anyone. The CoC is so long and complicated, probably noone will be found guilty anyway.
In addition, admitting a mistake likely means the end of one's carrier. That really hampers coming forward and taking blame.
there is a saying a 1000 pictures arent the same as on single trip..u been painted a picture by all the info u been reading(the pictue) while i have been put in situations not like the fighter pilot but simular(my trip/experience) while we both cant say we had the exact same experience i willing to bet my picture is a little clearer than urs and not as out of focus as the one u took..
no i wasnt there but i have been in the cockpit of plane 100 of times and I CAN CORRECTLY IDT planes..and im not a fighter pilot..im a C/C so yes ive been put in simular situation..i'll shut up when u gve me info that u know from experience and not off the internet all my info is from experience lad U should learn to apprieciate it lad..
hence y the us and the reds were both involved in situations were people died needlessly..thats not my point..my point is the situation w/the russian fighter pilot was the more avoidable of the two..seeing is believing..if u got an email saying its raining shit outside would u believe it or go check for ur self..thats kinda my point..
i refuse to say the us military willing shot down a commercial jet..but i wont hesitate toy say that the reds fighter pilot might have had a litte doubt when he fired that missle..
@0013kaos Well, what you refuse to accept or believe in is your very own choice.
The shootdown marked the "horrifying climax to Capt. Rogers's aggressiveness, first seen four weeks ago.". So says Cmdr. David Carlson, who commanded the USS Sides during the incident.
Not only the red evil commie bastards shoot down planes accidentally. When you have so powerful weapon systems available and judgements are made in split seconds, gruesome things happen.
@assidragon and to the comment about capt rogers...ive seen first hand how military justice works and what gets released isnt always the truth...the only truth is someone will answer for it and in this case the ball stopped in front of rodgers..
@0013kaos Really think so? Most militaries would cover it up.
The Vincennes was awarded medals for their great job *sarcasm* - even though the US paid compensation money to keep the PR damage becoming too disastrous.
Noone was really brought to justice for this Korean Air 007 shootdown either. Heck, the fighter pilot still refuses to believe he did wrong.
Justice is... very abstract. So abstract that I'd say it doesn't exist. Or if it does, it's usually trumped for practical reasons.
p/s transponders can me turned off and manipulated..look at the 9/11..it wasnt untill these instances that protocal was changed reguarding transponders..not giving any exuses just making my case that the korean air n the us destroyer instances are on two different plans of thought YES both should of never happened..no dissputing that fact ..only the fact the the reds had an easier and clear view of the target..and was the easier of the two to avoid..
im a subject matter expert son.. not spouting non-sense.I WORK ON PLANES..i am in controll of 65 mill dollar assets DAILY to the government...no non sence in me my job wont allow for it..because peole die..
i pretty sure my insight is a little more closer than ur's or most people.plus i WORK w/ pilots/fly on planes SITTING in the cockpit/ and IT IS MY JOB TO KNOW THESE SYSTEMS..not sayin u dont know something i dont but you would have to be pilot of an un-named aircraft to have info that i couldnt get a hold of..u may or may not be..
plus he had EYES ON TARGET....he saw the plane...close enough to shot a warning shots..pilot was close enough to correctly IDT acft...just didnt want to...or acted pematurly..just like we did w/ the iran comercial jet..
This is what happens when you shoot first, and ask questions later. There is no reason why the Soviet pilot could not have flown parallel to the 747's cockpit, or moved slightly ahead. This would have been unmissable. As it was, he was positioned in a blind spot, where it is unlikely anyone would have seen him.
The Soviets were lucky that the West was not as trigger happy as them, because something like this could easily have resulted in full scale war.
@DarkZenith2007 Your totally correct. The fighter could have come along side and have been able to see lighting in the windows and would have known right away that it was a passenger plane. The the foolish fighter pilot even makes the statement that he thougth that it was passenger plane...what a waste of life...you are correct in your assessment.
First off, the last thing that you want to do is make a mistake and shoot down a plane full of air passengers. If you are going to make a kill (shoot down an aircraft) don't want to make sure without a doubt? I would think you would want to make sure...as the fighter pilot could easily see that the
@BraeDoktor A 747 could've been converted to a spy plane and imitate a civilian aircraft. It the roles were reversed, I would think we would've done the same.
@MinimeDrummerBoi .....yeah only is that has or would ever be done..and it hasn't....military personnel have a sort of honor system....and would do such a thing..at least not the US Air Force....so an educated guess...humm?...it looks like a civilian plane...maybe it is!...No that stupid pilot...and he is stupid..just listen to him talk...just wanted to shot it down.....Russians are not the smartest people....
I think it was a lack of communication between the two that caused this to happen.
I think both sides are to blame too, As the Soviet Union did not send warnings or try to communicate, but at the same time, the 007 flight pilots should have been more aware the actions they took, Such as the magnetic mode, Radar, Warnings of Different Weather, and obviously seeing the Soviet behind them. Its caused by a lack of communication, If they could of communicated, It may of been prevented. Rate up=agree.
@groovybluedog There were warnings. The Soviet Fighter plane shot off warning shots. Unfortunately they weren't tracers so the 007 Flight couldn't see it.
It's more of a bunch of small unfortunate mistakes that lead to an unfortunate incident.
The thing that I wish to have happened is that the soviet air force had do more care for identification of the aircraft, had realized that the plane was an airliner, and had escorted the plane to land and investigated. R.I.P all those who was killed in this brutal bad ass incident...
@kyca0506 No fighter jet can even come close to matching a boeing 747 for range so that is not an option, the fighter pilot only would have had a small window in which to make a decision.
My father said that South Korean media has cancelled all programs except the news for one entire week, and the news was all about this.I admit that the KAL crew has made a deadly mistake regarding to the flight path, but it still shouldn't have ended up like this shit! Yeah, the KAL 007 has invaded Soviet territory, but did the dickhead Soviet air force really have to do this shit?! Did they really confused the spy plane and the B747?Hey,the dickhead Soviet! STOP KIDDING AND SHUT THE FUCK UP!
I am a South Korean. Although this horrible incident happened even before I was born, I was watching this with some sort of anger. It's so chilling! The soviet's side, and also the dickhead soviet fighter pilot's testimony, CANNOT convince me and the world that the dickhead has failed to identify the airplane just in front of his jet was a civilian airliner until the moment he presses the DAMN RED BUTTON!!
Tragic series of misunderstanding... and blunders... tsk tsk tsk
bigban1989 2 weeks ago
Good ole Gnaddy = mass murderer
OnlineAutoAuctions 3 weeks ago
fuck!! peace of shit russian pilot isopovich.!! still saying he is convinced it was a spy plane
MrMexicanmango 4 weeks ago
That's tragic in destroying a spy plane with no civilian passengers? you people are really stupid...
AlexSkylineDee 1 month ago
china airlines 006, Korean air lines 007 British Airways flight 9. Only 8 is missing
randomkid1234100 2 months ago
Very tragic story. Sadly, the incompetence of the KAL pilots, if the story is as it appears to be, is beyond description. I am familiar with the navigation system and I find it hard to believe the waypoints would sequence being that far off course. At some point it seems the waypoint would be stuck because the 747 went nowhere near it so it would not sequence to the next one but I am not sure. Something seems wrong here. Either way, it seems impossible for the crew to not see the problem.
77leelg 3 months ago
As the pilot said,you can disguise every plane like a civilian...Also I think I have already said it...the pilot receives order from the ground.And for not obeying these orders...there will be consequences for him.I am from Bulgaria and I can tell what were the punishments for disagreeing!You just don't have an idea...put all that with the previous violances and the evasive maneuver and you have a plane shot down.
Mig29ABG 3 months ago
@Mig29ABG It is so good to correspond with the Eastern Block. Please tell us what were the 'punishments?'
OnlineAutoAuctions 3 weeks ago
i also touched on the reds(earlier post) CLEARLY violating US airspace with B 5s and to this day not a one was shot down..cuz we try not to jump the gun..we have.. but more thought tends to go into our jumping of the gun..theres no excuse for that pilots to shoot down a civilian jet..they thought it was the spy jet sitting off the coast and wanted to shoot it down..PLAIN and simple..hell even china didnt shoot down our P3 when we got caught clearly spying....they thought it through..
0013kaos 3 months ago
rhodium, did you listen to the narrator in the previous section? Its similar to a situation where if a lost newspaper boy walking on to your front lawn at late night, you just shoot him. I am certain you would be the shooter just like that retarded Soviet pilot who, to this day, still believes he shot down a spy plane with no civilian passengers.
jamesings 3 months ago
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The Soviet pilot is a brain washed military moron who still believes he shot down a spy plane. Stalin should have killed more than 20 million of its own people during World War II. Russians are mostly inbred and inferior race, so there is no loss there.
jamesings 3 months ago
The figher pilots Are killers,this is their job!The Soviets were in their full right to shoot the plane down...the Americans would have done the same and every other country which is a superpower.
Mig29ABG 3 months ago
@Mig29ABG Bullshit. We've had Russian planes enter our airspace and didn't shoot them down. you fail.
soco13466 1 month ago
if i were a pilot i would of confirmed the intent of my target before i killed so many lifes needlessly..and diving/hard banks/ECM and chaffs are pretty much ur options.no pilot in their right mind would climb in a heavy u b a sitting duck...please read my previous postsinfo 4 u so u dont say some half cocked remark w/o knowing ones credentials or the facts..
0013kaos 3 months ago
@0013kaos Put in mind that the fighter pilot did not had enough time to identify it...put in mind that if it was really a spy plane,the enemy would had much information about what was happening in that part of the Soviet Union.And if there was a reserch centre in the area (something in which I am sure,otherwise you would not spy there),you would have information about was was being developed there.And if the fighet pilot is wrong...if it's not a passener plane...he haven't done his job!
Mig29ABG 3 months ago
@Mig29ABG umm there were no spy plane that were 747 jumbos back then..keep in mind that the RC 135 off the coast was already gathering the info..we didnt need to go into russian airspace.i work on 135s and w/o giving away info those things will surprise u what they are capable of..all it would of took was 5 mins to confirm.USSR acted to hastly w/o much after thought.plain and simple..research area has nothing to do w/y we ran that track back then it was the closest we could so we could ease drop
0013kaos 3 months ago
su 15 .88 TWR vs 747 TWR .27..u tell me whose out climbing who..
0013kaos 4 months ago
cant out climb
0013kaos 4 months ago
MIG29 ABG.mig 25 has a .4 TWR..and im willing to bet the 747 can out climb a RUSSIAN fighter jet since the russains were world renown for putting powerfull engines into their fighter jets..
0013kaos 4 months ago
MIG 25 not MIG 29..
0013kaos 4 months ago
MIG29ABG..please look up the thrust to weight ratio of the MIG 29 and tell me if it can maintain a verticle climb w/o a loss in airspeed..if its greater then or = to 1 it can maintain a verticle climb w/o lose n airspeed..the 747 can not perform such a manuver..and will almost immediately loss it airspeed..u point is invalid..FACT at 35k ft all planes airspeed increases due to the lack of air density..ur remark is however true at low alt
0013kaos 4 months ago
so MIG29ABG please learn operating procedures for aircraft in question before you open ur mouth and falsely accuse someone of not knowing WTF they r talking about..i have over 13 years experience working on the same aircraft.. i unlike you do know what the hell im talking about..good day to u and do some research..
0013kaos 4 months ago
damn u mig-25
cgmonica31 5 months ago
@cgmonica31
It was a SU-15TM
Kzaaps 5 months ago
this was the indirect result of KAL 902 that unknowingly entered the soviet air space in 1978...
darkstar913 5 months ago
Why didn't the soviets contact the plane while it was in international waters or above the first russian peninsula that it crossed? Any chatter in Ruskie would have alerted the pilots that something was wrong. Also the flight path was regular whereas the other spy plane was buzzing around on the radar map.
ShatteredMercury 6 months ago
Umm fucking idiot fighter pilot why not try the fucking RADIO to hail the plane? was that broken or not shipped as well?
ShatteredMercury 6 months ago
You can't really blame the fighter jet pilot. Like he said the lights on the tail may have made it look like a civilian plane but it can be a fake disguise. Not to hate on the U.S but at least he took action to defend his country unlike the fail 9/11 incident...
Hardy123Zhao 6 months ago
THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST TRAGIC EPISODES EVER. I BELIEVE THE SOVIET PILOT THAT SHOT KOREN AIR DOWN NEW EXACTLY WHAT HE WAS DOING. HE TOOK ALL THOSE LIVES AND JUST TO COVER HIMSELF HE CAME OUT WITH THAT COCK AND BULL STORY. THE HEARTACHE AND PAIN OF THE FAMILIES REMAINING MUST BE DEVASTING. TO ALL THE CREW AND PASSENGERS ON BOARD KAL 007...................R.I.P
xavierdejuam 6 months ago
Coward fight jet pilot!!! Dares not admit his mistake. No one is to forgive him forever!!!! Giving those idiotic excuses to convince himself. What kind of human he is!!!
JeremyB787 6 months ago
Coward fight jet pilot!!! Dares not admit his mistake. No one is to forgive him forever!!!!
JeremyB787 6 months ago
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I'm from USSR. (Forgive my bad English)
Here there is no fault of the pilot. For not performance of the order - he could be executed. The convergence of circumstances has occurred. In this space there was also an American scout plane RC-135. The Soviet command those years very much was nervous and without understanding, what and which is the plane, have given the order.
Nepobedimaja 6 months ago
For the people that think the United States were evil, i would like to say if the United States were to accidentally shoot down a passenger airline. The United States would apologize internationally and compensate the families of the passenger airline with Taxpayer dollars. Soviet Union did not formally apologize or compensate the families of the passenger airline. For that, the Soviet Union is at fault even though it is an accident.
wtong89 7 months ago
@MrAzzman31 not 34 sorry this was on my ipod so theres no direct replies but i totally agree with you
nukeacat 7 months ago
@MrAzzman34 totally agree with you
nukeacat 7 months ago
@stegatops no because they need to know if it was a spy plane especially since there were two planes in the air space come on do you guys even watch the video
nukeacat 7 months ago
Mistake for both pilots who were unknowingly doing the wrong thing and don't call me terrorist or America hater because I am American and I hate terrorism so shut it
nukeacat 7 months ago
Guy freak'n shut up I agree with the fighter pilot he won't burn in he'll he's just protecting his country u haters didn't listen to his story he said he saw it looked like a passenger plane but it was night so he could only see the lights but any spy plane could be disguised like this with a few lights so he took it as a spy plane especially since they pulled up which was taken as an evasive maneuver and they were leaving soviet air space so he took them as an intruder and shot them it was a m
nukeacat 7 months ago
@catnipcraze1 no because remember the fighter pilot said he believed they were a passenger plane at first but any spy plane could disguise themselves as a passenger plane with a few lights so he shot them if he called them they could say they were a passenger plane but that wouldn't be proof and they were about to leave the air space so he quickly shot them because if he didn't they and they were spies then they would have info and soviets couldn't shoot them
nukeacat 7 months ago
that was just a bad day for them and for all the peaple who were travlling that night,, everything that anyone tried to do, to avoid that situation went wrong..
aanshh 7 months ago
i can't believe what i read here.
I ask all of you commentators to take a min and think about this:
SHOULD THE GOD DAMN BLOODY WAR EVER BE AN EXCUSE FOR KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE? !
THE PILOT COULD'VE HAVE MADE RADIO CONTACT ! THINK ABOUT THIS, HOW HARD IT IS TO CALL THE CIVILIAN AIRLINE AND CONFIRM???
I SAY THIS IS NO ACCIDENT, I SAY THERE ARE A SHITLOAD OF PEOPLE THAT'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS, INCLUDING THE GOD DAMN COMMIE UNION AND UNITED STATES THAT INSTIGATED THE GOD DAMN COLD WAR !
catnipcraze1 7 months ago
In all honesty I feel no anger or hatred toward Major Osipovich. He was doing his duty, protecting his country and I think you would be hard pushed to find any fighter pilot who would have done any differently.
Perhaps he really still believes he shot a spy plane but it may be that he HAS to believe it....and who could blame him? Who would want 200+ deaths on their hands?
DunicanJ 8 months ago
@SuperApparition Yes I hate America but I am not a terrorist, I am a British citizen. So how about you think befor you type something, eh?
ccarlyon97 8 months ago
@ccarlyon97 We saved your sorry asses in both world wars. You should be down on your kness thanking us. Next time we may just say go fuck yourself.
edwardschlosser1 8 months ago
Lesson Learned: war is no good. the Iran Flight in 1988 and this Korea Airlines 1983 are just a piece of happiness that stupid soviet and ugly US army get after killing million people on the ground. peace, no war.
sayebencisumeorang 8 months ago 8
i hope the fighter jet pilot DIE IN COMBAT
Mrmartinnico 8 months ago
Watch Iran Air Flight 655 (Mistaken Identity). What the American Military did was far much worse than what the Soviets did. Many mistakes were made but the worst were made by the pilots (RIP) who did not investigate how they did not have the same environmental conditions as the plane that was a few minutes behind them. I dont think the soviet pilot is to blame if he got orders to shoot a plane he thought was dangeorous to him and his country. The Soviets were however, wrong to hide the evidence
damudread 9 months ago
1.( Airforce that guy is a dumb ass
2.( At 5:10 the flight atendent dies
3.( that was a long time ago there is a new korean air my flight on kal was KE 020 -KE019 came back
4.( if your korean write de hanhankook
bmwpro66 9 months ago
@bmwpro66 Watch Iran Air Flight 655 (Mistaken Identity). What the American Military did was far much worse than what the Soviets did. Many mistakes were made but the worst were made by the pilots (RIP) who did not investigate how they did not have the same environmental conditions as the plane that was a few minutes behind them. I dont think the soviet pilot is to blame if he got orders to shoot a plane he thought was dangeorous to him and his country.
damudread 9 months ago
Soviet r bastards should kill them all
amir1fbi 9 months ago
Soviet r bastards should kill them all
amir1fbi 9 months ago
1:35 You butcher SON-OF-A-BITCH, YOU DESERVE A KICK IN THE NUTS
Skybolter 9 months ago
1:35 You butcher SON-OF-A-BITCH
Skybolter 9 months ago
I hate to say this, but it's also the pilot's fault.
MiSsDeViLiShCaT 10 months ago
fuck soviet russia
averredude101 10 months ago
@averredude101 soviets are already fucked many years ago dude..
syq084 9 months ago
@syq084 thats my point
averredude101 9 months ago
Dont blame the pilot........he at least made some effort......the Russians could just have easily launched a SAM to intercept the plane with no fighters scrambled at all. At least there was some human element involved. The disaster should have been prevented WAY before this.
stegatops 10 months ago
Human stupidity at its best. Applies to both parties but more so to the KAL pilots.
rhodium666 10 months ago 6
@rhodium666 Totally agree with you.
MiSsDeViLiShCaT 10 months ago
@rhodium666 And not to the Sovs. Ok.
soco13466 1 month ago
@rhodium666 everyone makes mistakes, you might have done worse mistakes if you were a pilot.. who knows.
mustang19ms 1 month ago
well the figther plane man got nice job for that . i give u an example. emmm. what would u do if there is terrorist inside ur house. would u kill him or leave him or have a look around ur house. the figther plane man he did all that. he look around the passager plane he fired warning shot..
edmilsonc9 10 months ago
well the figther plane man got nice job for that . i give u an example. emmm. what would u do if there is terrorist inside ur house. would u kill him or leave him or have a look around ur house.
edmilsonc9 10 months ago
Why the visor at night?
badgerattoadhall 10 months ago
Isnt it odd that the flight number is 007 like james bond
Twelaal 11 months ago
KAL007 had pretty much written its own death sentence when they went into USSR airspace at the height of cold war with another US spy plane around the same region. If you are in a war and you wade into opponents territory at night and light a fag the snipers waiting to get you is not going to think, he will shoot and do his job.
I think the pilot just did his job and did it right at the time. The aeroplane was for hours in USSR territory. It was a cold war!!
punchoo 11 months ago
Kind reminder:
Iranian Passenger Plane was shooted down 22 years ago by US NAVY...
Every country has it's boundaries that supposed to be respected...
CalifMoF 11 months ago 2
theres so many things that dosent make sence:
- forgetting pushing the Autopilot the plane should have falling to the ground coz ¨
it also controls the attitude and the vertical flight
- the ATC should have been able to see if the plane was out of posission
- the warning to the 747 should have be clear enough
rupper33 11 months ago
@rupper33
-the autopilot was on. just it was following a different navigation mode
-ATC don't control what flight-plan a plane takes. just only if their vectors and altitude are heading into a collision and by the time their heading was obviously into russian airspace they would be out of the ATC's radar range they were assigned to.
-verbal warning cant be issued directly to the plane due to the fact military planes carry military radios while commercial jet liners carry commercial radios
eisenklad 11 months ago
and due to the planes unable to communicate with each other, russian military air control could have given the warning. but most likely the korean plane would have ignored it, thinking that the russian was radioing another plane.
remember war, albeit a cold war claims live in more ways than one
but the lack of tracer rounds in the fighter jet was sad, its like saying to ground troops to set up a trip mine without having anything to use as a tripwire
eisenklad 11 months ago
@eisenklad true that, iran air flight 655 was shot down by the US navy killing 290 civilians because they thought it was an enemy fighter jet. they spent several attempts trying to contact the plane to check if it's a civilian plane because some of their instruments was saying it was an airliner, but they only used military channels, hearing no reply they shot it down.
penitent2401 11 months ago
What a waste.....
darkspirit581 11 months ago
how hard is it to make eye contact with the pilot of an unknown 747?
the guy's a retard
slh950 1 year ago
@goskateboarding1000 it was not his fault he was told to do it if he did not he can get fired for disobaying orders or even shot
mattstorm360 1 year ago
Fighter Pilot will burn in hell for what he did.
TheAmazingCreative 1 year ago
@TheAmazingCreative it was not his fault he was told to do it if he did not he can get fired for disobaying orders or even shot
mattstorm360 1 year ago
@TheAmazingCreative he did not fucking know man. besides it is fucking army and there is a fucknig command chain and back in those years disobbeying a direct order is equal to signig your own death warrant. if he did not shoot that plane down there was only one thing waiting for him and it is death.
MrAzzman31 11 months ago
In spite of the pilots explanation, there has still been no proper investigation. No wreckage bigger than one man could carry, has ever been recovered. No engines, no wing pieces. Not one identifiable body. If the Soviets shot it down, they should know where the wreckage. They didn't, they won't, they can't. The Soviets would rather admit to shooting it down than admit that their defence systems is hopeless.
alludity 1 year ago
A similar mistake was done BY USS carrier. It shot down an Iranian passenger plane on 1988 over the Persian Gulf...A similar mistake they thought it was an Iranian spy plane as on the same day they were dealing with some Iranian pirate ships. A total mistake..Human error
w8in4some1 1 year ago
@w8in4some1 100% true. It happened on both sides.
petdetail 1 year ago
A similar mistake was done BY USS carrier. It shot down an Iranian passenger plane on 1988 over the Persian Gulf...A similar mistake they thought it was an Iranian spy plane as on the same day they were dealing with some Iranian pirate ships.
w8in4some1 1 year ago
Classic Russian behavior. People fail to realize - historically Russians are sloppy in their operations. While it would be concerning for an aircraft to bust airspace, even in the 80s there were plenty of ways to ID aircraft as friend of foe. The aircraft was never in a time critical location in which the soviets had to immediately shoot it down. This comes down to communist aggression and a classic failure to coverup their mistake. The cold war was not black & white. It was good vs evil.
mpoho2000 1 year ago
korean pilots are useless can not blame the russian
TheDreamer138 1 year ago
major Osipovich faced a dilemma.... fight and listen to ur mother nation ....go neutral like god and do the truth,(but he would get screwed in ussr) and he didnt know much...., plus he got only minutes to decide (the order was to destroy , but he had to the pushing the button thingy...in few minutes impossible to think wat do ... so he pressed it)
mrvishal1000 1 year ago
US Air force was playing poker with civilian lives crossing in to soviet skies regularly along a routine civilian flight path. If the soviets hadn't been desperately chasing US planes violating their air space regularly, they would have done more to confirm the intruder. Coz an intruder wouldn't have been normal.
ichbintharaka 1 year ago
The soviets are not to blame. Probably the same would have happened if soviet plane entered US airspace... Pilots were too careless...
luperkuss 1 year ago 8
I don't think it was the russian pilot's fault at all... he was just following his orders. to be honest the pilots were careless and didn't check everything like they needed to.
jinuNjeethaNjoshitha 1 year ago 10
I think june0024 has got it pretty much summed up... if any one of those things had happened differently, the disaster wouldn't have happened.
I also have to say, that this is one of the best and most impatial episodes of the entire series. Great stuff.
AndrossKenobi 1 year ago 3
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KidParkour100 1 year ago
I really don't know how you can blame anyone but the leaders of the "big" countries. Of course, though, the crew was also in the wrong.
0wen1666 1 year ago
The russian pilot was following orders.....
Angjelo98 1 year ago
no one can really be put at fault here besides the flight crew on KAL 007. in soviet defense, this was a breach in their national security, and in all honesty, they did have the right to attack, the USA would if we had an unexpected breach. the fighter pilot did nothing wrong really, he was trained to recognize an evasive maneuver and the Airliner simulated it (unknowingly) the Soviets did what was neccesary ATM
the pilots on KAL 007 should've realized they made a simple but costly error sooner
Sharod101 1 year ago
@Sharod101 The only thing the pilots of KAL-007 did wrong, from their perspective, was forget to switch from magnetic heading to INS. As heard on the flight data recorder, they were oblivious to the fact that they had entered Soviet airspace (let alone bieng targeted for destruction)
Tensions between the Soviets and the west, and paranoia of the Cold War set the conditions that allowed this trajedy to take place. Deep-seated mutual hatred is the real cause, not pilot error.
Md2802 1 year ago
how did anyone not notice it was KAL "007"!!! Soviets went after James Bond's signature numericals!...
sunnyrajput3 1 year ago
@sunnyrajput3 its just that noone is bored enough to talk about such an insignificant matter
noname2useable 1 year ago
@sunnyrajput3 I did.
raulox71 1 year ago
It must have been traumatic for the fighter pilot to have to be silent until 10 years later whilst the crash was definitely reported all over the world. It's a tragedy and it should have never happened - people who lost loved ones. I do hope everyone involved, have managed to come to terms with this tragic accident and what we can do, is to hope that no one has to ever experience this ever again. My condolences to all involved.
katrineyang 1 year ago
Its not the fighter pilots fault, its the Cold War& the stupid soviet ATC
Airlinesguyrulz 1 year ago
It was all because of some factors hitting each other...
1.) Failure to switch the INS
2.) Failure to notice warning shots
3.) Failure to warn the KAL 007 pilots verbally
4.) Tensions of the Cold War was waaaayyyy too high....
june0024 1 year ago 44
@june0024 the red flashing lights on the 747 should've told the fighter pilot that there was civilians on board the plane
roadranga 1 year ago
@roadranga he made it clear you can put a flasshy red light on top of a spy plane that cant mean civilians in that thing... it is nonsense...
MrAzzman31 11 months ago
@june0024 OH SHIT, did i just watch the same film as you, WOW YOUR SO RECEPTIVE...KNOB.
RaulMeatFactorys 5 months ago
Dont blame the soviets. Blame coincidence
LunaticLucario 1 year ago
Soviets=dumbasses
TyphlosionBlaze1 1 year ago
@TyphlosionBlaze1 the US did the same thing for like 5 years later. SO THE U.S. IS DUMBER FOR NOT LEARING ANYTHING!
jijdom 10 months ago
@jijdom the US thing was nothing like this
badgerattoadhall 10 months ago
In conclusion... BIG oopsie.
BonniePLC 1 year ago 3
I was so angry at the fighter jet pilot until I came round to part 5, an old man having to live with what he has done, i mean what would you do if you killed +300 people? I'm not sticking up for him, I'm just saying.
ccarlyon97 1 year ago 42
@ccarlyon97 you cant blame him, it was his orders. it was the crew members who are stupid, forgetting one of the most basics, unknown to them that they are flying these ppl to their doom. its really tragic because both superpowers are using spy planes on each other, and an innocent commercial plane is misidentified and shot down
UseUrHead503 1 year ago
@ccarlyon97 Yes you are right, but what will you do if you are there, on probably 38.000 ft lonely in your fighter jet looking at a massive 747 when you get the order to shoot it down?
I do not blame the pilot of the fighterjet but the pilot of the 747 that he flew into Sovjet territory while he had
clear sign that he was flying in the wrong direction!
and of course also the fact that there was the Cold War at the time...
ROTAX129 11 months ago
@ROTAX129 Well I probably would have shot it down to if I was ordered to do so, but now that we have watched this video I think we probably would have made shore it was a military jet. We learn from our mistakes.
ccarlyon97 11 months ago
@ROTAX129 I agree.
TopGearlover2002 10 months ago
@ccarlyon97 What are you just saying? Are you a terrorist? Do you hate America? I think you are a Muslim Extremist.
SuperApparition 8 months ago
Personally I don't blame the pilot.
MetallicAus 1 year ago 3
LOL, "what we were trained to do" I am not religious but i hope he is, may he burn in hell if there is one. I was also a soldier, i also grabbed my nuts from time to time to question orders as anyone should. This is simply a sad example of a pilot that did wrong trying to clear his own concious. No excuse. He knows it, now he will try for the rest of his life tojustify his action, good luck on that.
possum440 1 year ago
I'm not trying to defend the Russian pilot; I too hate him for claiming innocent lives. But as a psychology major, I'm doing my best to justify his action objectively, by putting my emotion aside. Sometimes it is good to put ourselves into others' shoe so we can empathize with them, asking ourselves questions like, "what would I do if I were him?" so as to gain insights on people's behaviour, rather than blaming him blindly, because that guy is living the rest of his life in uber-guilt.
afertyu 1 year ago
As to why he shot down the plane in the first place, he could have gone thru a psychological struggle. Living in the USSR then means that one is very likely to comply to what the superior says; or succumbing to the normative social influence. Failure to do so will render him to be rejected by his fellow colleagues. Hence it is to his interests to bring the plane down; furthermore, as a matter of fact, he did perform the standard protocol before bringing the plane down.
afertyu 1 year ago
The Russian pilot is a victim of this incident too. The fact that he is convinced that KE007 is a trespasser shows what is called in social psychology, a "cognitive dissonance". Because shooting down a civilian plane full of innocent people is distressing, he rather denies that KE007 is a civilian plane, thereby reducing the dissonance or the psychological discomfort.
afertyu 1 year ago 3
Have they done a ACI about the passenger plane that the USS Vincennes shot down?
mickety2001 1 year ago
@mickety2001 yes they did, I watched it last night here on youtube, and no, I'm not going to help you find it, dammit.
Darthbelal 1 year ago
I was impressed with the comprehensive way in which this investigation was carried out. It all fits together and makes sense. The pilots - all of them - made a series of mistakes. It's too bad.
MFTSolutions 1 year ago
Why don't they kill the pilot who shoot down KAL 007...
krisnarocks 1 year ago
@krisnarocks why dont they kill you ? same reason...
MrAzzman31 11 months ago
What a crock of shit. That dumb fuck pilot knew what he was shooting. And these red film makers know he knew as well. Disgusting. All of them.
UVAlaw10 1 year ago
@UVAlaw10 Yeah i agree, and also, if he was at the side of the plane, did the russian not see the registration number? flag of origin? and massive letters that say KOREAN AIRLINES etc etc...
JustAnOrdinarySimmer 1 year ago
@JustAnOrdinarySimmer Perhaps he thought that all these are part of a cover or perhaps he knew what he was doing! Who knows?
cfuman 1 year ago
ya i think there may have been a cover up.and proper procedures werent followed..there is no excuse for what happend w/the cruiser other than inproper procedures..we do make mistakes and for that im sorry for the lives that were lost..trust me i know justice is far a few these days..
0013kaos 1 year ago
@0013kaos It's rooted in the culture of buerocracy. Even if someone screws up, it must not be found out because then the entire corporation will have to deal with the fallout. If you screw up - like, shoot down a passanger plane -, deny it and never put the blame on anyone. The CoC is so long and complicated, probably noone will be found guilty anyway.
In addition, admitting a mistake likely means the end of one's carrier. That really hampers coming forward and taking blame.
assidragon 1 year ago
there is a saying a 1000 pictures arent the same as on single trip..u been painted a picture by all the info u been reading(the pictue) while i have been put in situations not like the fighter pilot but simular(my trip/experience) while we both cant say we had the exact same experience i willing to bet my picture is a little clearer than urs and not as out of focus as the one u took..
0013kaos 1 year ago
no i wasnt there but i have been in the cockpit of plane 100 of times and I CAN CORRECTLY IDT planes..and im not a fighter pilot..im a C/C so yes ive been put in simular situation..i'll shut up when u gve me info that u know from experience and not off the internet all my info is from experience lad U should learn to apprieciate it lad..
0013kaos 1 year ago
hence y the us and the reds were both involved in situations were people died needlessly..thats not my point..my point is the situation w/the russian fighter pilot was the more avoidable of the two..seeing is believing..if u got an email saying its raining shit outside would u believe it or go check for ur self..thats kinda my point..
0013kaos 1 year ago
come down to it if only the dam usa and russia didn't have a a bad relationship this won't have happen.
volure1 1 year ago
@volure1 no doubt thats the truth...
0013kaos 1 year ago
@volure1 Humans in large masses are paranoid.
assidragon 1 year ago
i refuse to say the us military willing shot down a commercial jet..but i wont hesitate toy say that the reds fighter pilot might have had a litte doubt when he fired that missle..
0013kaos 1 year ago
@0013kaos Well, what you refuse to accept or believe in is your very own choice.
The shootdown marked the "horrifying climax to Capt. Rogers's aggressiveness, first seen four weeks ago.". So says Cmdr. David Carlson, who commanded the USS Sides during the incident.
Not only the red evil commie bastards shoot down planes accidentally. When you have so powerful weapon systems available and judgements are made in split seconds, gruesome things happen.
assidragon 1 year ago
@assidragon and to the comment about capt rogers...ive seen first hand how military justice works and what gets released isnt always the truth...the only truth is someone will answer for it and in this case the ball stopped in front of rodgers..
0013kaos 1 year ago
@0013kaos Really think so? Most militaries would cover it up.
The Vincennes was awarded medals for their great job *sarcasm* - even though the US paid compensation money to keep the PR damage becoming too disastrous.
Noone was really brought to justice for this Korean Air 007 shootdown either. Heck, the fighter pilot still refuses to believe he did wrong.
Justice is... very abstract. So abstract that I'd say it doesn't exist. Or if it does, it's usually trumped for practical reasons.
assidragon 1 year ago
i willing to bet control towers info gathering capabilities reach further than a destroyer..thats the extra im refering to..
0013kaos 1 year ago
p/s transponders can me turned off and manipulated..look at the 9/11..it wasnt untill these instances that protocal was changed reguarding transponders..not giving any exuses just making my case that the korean air n the us destroyer instances are on two different plans of thought YES both should of never happened..no dissputing that fact ..only the fact the the reds had an easier and clear view of the target..and was the easier of the two to avoid..
0013kaos 1 year ago
and i ve been doing it for over 12 years..
0013kaos 1 year ago
im a subject matter expert son.. not spouting non-sense.I WORK ON PLANES..i am in controll of 65 mill dollar assets DAILY to the government...no non sence in me my job wont allow for it..because peole die..
0013kaos 1 year ago
i pretty sure my insight is a little more closer than ur's or most people.plus i WORK w/ pilots/fly on planes SITTING in the cockpit/ and IT IS MY JOB TO KNOW THESE SYSTEMS..not sayin u dont know something i dont but you would have to be pilot of an un-named aircraft to have info that i couldnt get a hold of..u may or may not be..
0013kaos 1 year ago
from the comm point of veiw i agree w/u DRACONIC...easy mistake.im not questioning that..im questioning the soviet fighter pilot..
0013kaos 1 year ago
plus he had EYES ON TARGET....he saw the plane...close enough to shot a warning shots..pilot was close enough to correctly IDT acft...just didnt want to...or acted pematurly..just like we did w/ the iran comercial jet..
0013kaos 1 year ago
shot not shoot
0013kaos 1 year ago
just looking at the pilot you can tell he's an idiot!
yankee22167 1 year ago
I hate f*cking Russians. Nuke that worthless country
veryslyfox 1 year ago
This is what happens when you shoot first, and ask questions later. There is no reason why the Soviet pilot could not have flown parallel to the 747's cockpit, or moved slightly ahead. This would have been unmissable. As it was, he was positioned in a blind spot, where it is unlikely anyone would have seen him.
The Soviets were lucky that the West was not as trigger happy as them, because something like this could easily have resulted in full scale war.
DarkZenith2007 1 year ago
@DarkZenith2007 Your totally correct. The fighter could have come along side and have been able to see lighting in the windows and would have known right away that it was a passenger plane. The the foolish fighter pilot even makes the statement that he thougth that it was passenger plane...what a waste of life...you are correct in your assessment.
regards
recascino 1 year ago
@recascino Tell me why plane operating spy mission cant have lights inside?
Pvjinflight 1 year ago
@Pvjinflight
First off, the last thing that you want to do is make a mistake and shoot down a plane full of air passengers. If you are going to make a kill (shoot down an aircraft) don't want to make sure without a doubt? I would think you would want to make sure...as the fighter pilot could easily see that the
recascino 1 year ago
@Pvjinflight defeats the whole point of being a spy/would not one think..h
0013kaos 1 year ago
The motherfucking bitch in the military plane was seeing it was a 747 KAL so why the FUCK did he shoot the plane???
I understand, but they were almost at Seoul at theur approach, and that happengs
BraeDoktor 1 year ago
@BraeDoktor A 747 could've been converted to a spy plane and imitate a civilian aircraft. It the roles were reversed, I would think we would've done the same.
MinimeDrummerBoi 1 year ago
@MinimeDrummerBoi .....yeah only is that has or would ever be done..and it hasn't....military personnel have a sort of honor system....and would do such a thing..at least not the US Air Force....so an educated guess...humm?...it looks like a civilian plane...maybe it is!...No that stupid pilot...and he is stupid..just listen to him talk...just wanted to shot it down.....Russians are not the smartest people....
yankee22167 1 year ago
@BraeDoktor They were 3 hours from Seoul. And you can use civilian plane as military one.
Pvjinflight 1 year ago
I think it was a lack of communication between the two that caused this to happen.
I think both sides are to blame too, As the Soviet Union did not send warnings or try to communicate, but at the same time, the 007 flight pilots should have been more aware the actions they took, Such as the magnetic mode, Radar, Warnings of Different Weather, and obviously seeing the Soviet behind them. Its caused by a lack of communication, If they could of communicated, It may of been prevented. Rate up=agree.
groovybluedog 1 year ago
@groovybluedog There were warnings. The Soviet Fighter plane shot off warning shots. Unfortunately they weren't tracers so the 007 Flight couldn't see it.
It's more of a bunch of small unfortunate mistakes that lead to an unfortunate incident.
MinimeDrummerBoi 1 year ago
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raulox71 1 year ago
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raulox71 1 year ago
The thing that I wish to have happened is that the soviet air force had do more care for identification of the aircraft, had realized that the plane was an airliner, and had escorted the plane to land and investigated. R.I.P all those who was killed in this brutal bad ass incident...
kyca0506 1 year ago
@kyca0506 No fighter jet can even come close to matching a boeing 747 for range so that is not an option, the fighter pilot only would have had a small window in which to make a decision.
mpdp85 1 year ago
My father said that South Korean media has cancelled all programs except the news for one entire week, and the news was all about this.I admit that the KAL crew has made a deadly mistake regarding to the flight path, but it still shouldn't have ended up like this shit! Yeah, the KAL 007 has invaded Soviet territory, but did the dickhead Soviet air force really have to do this shit?! Did they really confused the spy plane and the B747?Hey,the dickhead Soviet! STOP KIDDING AND SHUT THE FUCK UP!
kyca0506 1 year ago
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kyca0506 1 year ago
I am a South Korean. Although this horrible incident happened even before I was born, I was watching this with some sort of anger. It's so chilling! The soviet's side, and also the dickhead soviet fighter pilot's testimony, CANNOT convince me and the world that the dickhead has failed to identify the airplane just in front of his jet was a civilian airliner until the moment he presses the DAMN RED BUTTON!!