More maneuverable than an F-35. I kid you not. The USAF seriously needs to look at zero-timing and modernizing ~140 of these birds to replace non-AESA Golden Eagles. The thing will still be flying in 2040 and later if we care to do gradual LO modifications.
that's great reminds me of when i worked on phantom's back in the 80's . seam's like it never got old watching them take off & land. i lived a mile from the end of the runway i could set and watch them getting airbourn in my living room window seeing them in burner flying over. i could not hear what was playing on the TV till they past over. lol i miss those days!
saw one of those do a demo at nellis afb this year with the air show. It was awsome watching that led sled mush around in the turns. it was louder than the F-22 lol
the f-14 tomcat,f-4 phantom,and raf tornado were my favorite fighters for take off. the b1 lancer bomber,raf concorde and raf vulcan bomber were my favorite larger jetcraft for take off.
the raf olympus vulcan bombers actually had 4 rolls royce afterburning engines like the concorde up in service until 1965.
My old man worked on them back veitnam at saigon airbase around tet, said it was the most amazing thing watching them take off with afterburners then shoot straight up on combat missions. He never had a complaint working on them.
@123456789mischief Just when they were "in a hurry" ;) Most jets can take off without afterburner, it's just a question of how much runway you have to work with. If a plane has got enough thrust to fly, it can take off. Only it might take 4 miles of runway! (Not the Phantom, that was just an example). It all comes down to acceleration. If a "clean" F-4 can reach take off speed on a 1 mile runway with dry thrust, it would need burners to use the same runway when fully loaded, since it's heavier.
@theironfreak Can't argue that. it was a leap forward for its time though. not sure who said it a designer or pilot but they said (sarcsticly) that there would be no aerodynamic loss flying the jet sideways. Stil though, l love the machine.
Hence the saying that the Americans proved that even a brick can fly if the engines are powerful enough. Don't know anybody from the German Luftwaffe (they're actually still flying that thing) who doesn't complain about the F-4 in some way or another but at the end of the day everybody still loves it. Most positive thing I ever heard was: "Well, at least it's technically mature by now..."
Ahhh, good ole' J79 power. Gotta love it. The Phantom is such a FAST looking jet, even with that mean-looking cannon taped on the front. It may not be as fast or manueverable as the newer generations, but it's fast enough for me!
@AintLifeGarand 1,450mph ain't "fast". My Toyota can do that on 87 octane, no big deal.
=P
Actually, lot's of more modern fighters aren't even as fast! Mach 2+ capability is pretty elite. An F-16 can't go that fast, and neither can an F/A-18. The Phantom won a bunch of airspeed, time-to-climb, maximum altitude, and maximum climb rate records when it first came out. A lot of those records were never beaten until the F-15 Streak Eagle came out, years later. You can do a lot on raw power alone!
@justforever96 PS, I like your screen name. You have a real M1 Garand? I always wanted one of those. I have is a 1943 Remington M1903A3 with all the original everything, but I want a Garand too. I did have a Auto-Ordnance M1 Carbine replica, but it was a really cheap, rough copy. I'm pretty sure it was imported from God-knows-where. I ended up trading it for a Romanian AK47, which is better all around.
@AintLifeGarand PS, I like your screen name. You have a real M1 Garand? I always wanted one of those. I have is a 1943 Remington M1903A3 with all the original everything, but I want a Garand too. I did have a Auto-Ordnance M1 Carbine replica, but it was a really cheap, rough copy. I'm pretty sure it was imported from God-knows-where. I ended up trading it for a Romanian AK47, which is better all around.
@Vee6watchman Yeah, it's louder. It's not because the engines are old though, it's because they used turbojets back then. A turbojet move less air in total, but at a much higher velocity. The faster the exhaust leaves the engine, the louder it is. A jet liner uses turbofans, which move MORE air more slowly, so a 747 is "quiet" in comparison although it's much bigger. Modern fighters have turbofans that are closer to a turbojet, so they are loud, but not AS loud as a real turbojet.
I will never forget the signature sound of the J-79 power.
ronarmjr 7 months ago
More maneuverable than an F-35. I kid you not. The USAF seriously needs to look at zero-timing and modernizing ~140 of these birds to replace non-AESA Golden Eagles. The thing will still be flying in 2040 and later if we care to do gradual LO modifications.
Porty1119 8 months ago
The F-4 Phantom had some power and was a real good climber
ToonandBBfan 9 months ago
that's great reminds me of when i worked on phantom's back in the 80's . seam's like it never got old watching them take off & land. i lived a mile from the end of the runway i could set and watch them getting airbourn in my living room window seeing them in burner flying over. i could not hear what was playing on the TV till they past over. lol i miss those days!
dougbcoll 1 year ago 2
saw one of those do a demo at nellis afb this year with the air show. It was awsome watching that led sled mush around in the turns. it was louder than the F-22 lol
hundvonkrieg 1 year ago
the caf c-130 hercules jato demo close up i remember was even louder than the fat albert jato demo.
BBQFanNo1 1 year ago
the f-14 tomcat,f-4 phantom,and raf tornado were my favorite fighters for take off. the b1 lancer bomber,raf concorde and raf vulcan bomber were my favorite larger jetcraft for take off.
the raf olympus vulcan bombers actually had 4 rolls royce afterburning engines like the concorde up in service until 1965.
BBQFanNo1 1 year ago
My old man worked on them back veitnam at saigon airbase around tet, said it was the most amazing thing watching them take off with afterburners then shoot straight up on combat missions. He never had a complaint working on them.
airbats801 1 year ago
finnish and israel air force is best
mrmakemakkara 1 year ago
were afterburners required for takeoff or just when they were in a hurry?
123456789mischief 1 year ago
@123456789mischief Just when they were "in a hurry" ;) Most jets can take off without afterburner, it's just a question of how much runway you have to work with. If a plane has got enough thrust to fly, it can take off. Only it might take 4 miles of runway! (Not the Phantom, that was just an example). It all comes down to acceleration. If a "clean" F-4 can reach take off speed on a 1 mile runway with dry thrust, it would need burners to use the same runway when fully loaded, since it's heavier.
justforever96 1 year ago
@123456789mischief well... the F4 isn't exactly the most efficient fighter jet around...
theironfreak 1 year ago
@theironfreak Can't argue that. it was a leap forward for its time though. not sure who said it a designer or pilot but they said (sarcsticly) that there would be no aerodynamic loss flying the jet sideways. Stil though, l love the machine.
123456789mischief 1 year ago
@123456789mischief
Hence the saying that the Americans proved that even a brick can fly if the engines are powerful enough. Don't know anybody from the German Luftwaffe (they're actually still flying that thing) who doesn't complain about the F-4 in some way or another but at the end of the day everybody still loves it. Most positive thing I ever heard was: "Well, at least it's technically mature by now..."
dumbshitaward 1 year ago
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KD5XB 2 years ago
Ahhh, good ole' J79 power. Gotta love it. The Phantom is such a FAST looking jet, even with that mean-looking cannon taped on the front. It may not be as fast or manueverable as the newer generations, but it's fast enough for me!
justforever96 2 years ago 8
@justforever96 I dunno'. 1,450 mph is relatively fast, still. :)
AintLifeGarand 1 year ago
@AintLifeGarand 1,450mph ain't "fast". My Toyota can do that on 87 octane, no big deal.
=P
Actually, lot's of more modern fighters aren't even as fast! Mach 2+ capability is pretty elite. An F-16 can't go that fast, and neither can an F/A-18. The Phantom won a bunch of airspeed, time-to-climb, maximum altitude, and maximum climb rate records when it first came out. A lot of those records were never beaten until the F-15 Streak Eagle came out, years later. You can do a lot on raw power alone!
justforever96 1 year ago
@justforever96 PS, I like your screen name. You have a real M1 Garand? I always wanted one of those. I have is a 1943 Remington M1903A3 with all the original everything, but I want a Garand too. I did have a Auto-Ordnance M1 Carbine replica, but it was a really cheap, rough copy. I'm pretty sure it was imported from God-knows-where. I ended up trading it for a Romanian AK47, which is better all around.
justforever96 1 year ago
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@AintLifeGarand PS, I like your screen name. You have a real M1 Garand? I always wanted one of those. I have is a 1943 Remington M1903A3 with all the original everything, but I want a Garand too. I did have a Auto-Ordnance M1 Carbine replica, but it was a really cheap, rough copy. I'm pretty sure it was imported from God-knows-where. I ended up trading it for a Romanian AK47, which is better all around.
justforever96 1 year ago
i can fly these if i want. i just don't feel like it right now :P
tracyterry 2 years ago
The F4 Phantom is the coolest thing in the history of the world.
AirCargoHeavy 2 years ago 15
That's hot! Is an F-4 takeoff on aft. louder than the Eurofighter Typhoon?
Vee6watchman 2 years ago
in a word Yes
the typhoon is loud but this is in a whole another league
ITW84 2 years ago
The older the engine the louder :D
bignitro50 2 years ago
I believe the -1 stated the F-4E was around 135 dB at the horizontal stab.
KD5XB 2 years ago
@Vee6watchman Yeah, it's louder. It's not because the engines are old though, it's because they used turbojets back then. A turbojet move less air in total, but at a much higher velocity. The faster the exhaust leaves the engine, the louder it is. A jet liner uses turbofans, which move MORE air more slowly, so a 747 is "quiet" in comparison although it's much bigger. Modern fighters have turbofans that are closer to a turbojet, so they are loud, but not AS loud as a real turbojet.
justforever96 1 year ago
von wann ist das denn?ist noch ne alte f4,jg74....
ecrids 3 years ago
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PhantomNightHawk 3 years ago