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  • "I don't believe in fairy tales."

    Do you believe that mankind evolved from bacteria in a pond that was magically exploded into existence out of thin air?

    Yes or no.....

    Still waiting for your answer Rabidape....

  • I already told you.

    No.

    Do your homework.

    Your straw men do you no good here.

  • "When you say something like "holy spirit in action", what does that MEAN?"

    The Holy Spirit is given to those who have laid aside their pride and doubt and who have accepted that the Bible is God's word and have followed the steps necessary to attain God's blessing..

    It exists, obviously, in the spirit form, but lends itself to the believer as a liaison between believer and God in interceding in all matters relating to the material and spiritual well being of the believer...

  • "It exists, obviously, in the spirit form"

    Not so obvious. What is "spirit"?

    You've told me what you think the Holy Spirit DOES.

    You still haven't told me HOW you know.

    Is there any conceivable way that your claims about this thing could be confirmed or ruled out by a neutral third party?

  • The reported incidence of syphilis is 2-3 times as high among female adolescents as among male adolescents in Canada, Finland, the Russian Federation and the United States. When we compare incidence among adolescents to rates in the general population, five countries have adolescent rates higher than rates in the general population (Canada, Denmark, Romania, the Russian Federation and the United States

    guttmacher . org / pubs / journals / 3202400 . html

    Lots of other useful info on this site

  • "I don't believe in fairy tales."

    Do you believe that mankind evolved from bacteria in a pond that was magically exploded into existence out of thin air?

    Yes or no.....

  • No.

    Do your homework. Your straw men do you no good here.

  • Also most of those countries you mention along with Canada and Russia report the highest rate of sexually transmitted disease in the world per capita...

    Your data is not accurate...

  • it's not MY data, it's the UN's!

    where are you getting your stats from?

  • The Danish Ministry of Health estimates that the costs to society in connection with alcohol and drug addiction amount to approximately USD 2 billion annually. Not only is the problem of alcohol and drug addiction a huge financial burden to society, it is also in most cases associated with human tragedy in terms of loss of job and dignity. It became increasingly evident to us at Novo Nordisk that intervention is necessary in the workplace when employees develop addictions to alcohol or drugs.

  • ok, and it's $190 billion in the US.

    (according to niaaa . nih . gov )

    Denmark: $365 per person

    USA: $623 per person

    THANK YOU FOR PROVING MY POINT!

  • "I don't need to think that Jesus ever existed (let alone was the physical embodiment of the omnipotent creator of the universe) to be able to draw wisdom or guidance from what he "said"."

    That might be true, but the prevailing morality in America is as far from reflecting what Christ represented as it has ever been...

    This proves that without a compelling moral standard such as the Bible offers, society will plummet into moral confusion...

    Clearly, we are at that point...

  • then why is it that relatively "godless" nations like the UK, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, and Japan score better than us on just about any social index imaginable? (such as infant mortality, violent crime, prevalence of STDs, literacy rate, etc.)

    hdr . undp . org / en / statistics

  • "The "utility" of believing in a proposition is not the same as an argument that the proposition says something "true" about the universe."

    What is the truth about the universe?

    Do you have it?

    If not, how can you claim that I do not?

    I can just as easily support my belief as you can and I can also buffet that belief with 30 years of experiencing the Holy Spirit in action in my life..

    Should I simply throw all that away and take your word that you have found something much better than that?

  • "What is the truth about the universe?

    Do you have it?"

    I don't claim to know everything about everything, or to have the fundamental answer to the question "why is there something instead of nothing?".

    I am happy to discuss where I stand on any specific item. Want to discuss cosmology or astronomy? Biology? History? Information theory? Epistemology? Ethics?

    When you say something like "holy spirit in action", what does that MEAN?

  • "If you care more about being comfortable than being in touch with the real world, then I have nothing to offer you."

    Notice I never used the term comfortable just so you understand my reasons for being a Christian are not just about selfish motives...

    As for being in touch with the real world, I would suggest that it is you who are out of touch with the real world to which you have no argument outside of opinion and speculation...

    "Real" is most certainly in the eyes of the beholder...

  • When I said "comfortable", I was referring to your mention of "peace, purpose, understanding and joy", which you brought up.

    You asked a question, I answered.

    As for being in touch with the real word, this is a whole other discussion, but I can sum it up in six words:

    "I don't believe in fairy tales."

    YOU assert that X exists and has properties Y and Z.

    Explain to me how you know X, Y, and Z.

  • No offense rabidape, because you seem like you really are trying to be reasonable, but what does atheism have to offer in comparison to the peace, purpose, understanding and joy that Christians have found to be real through being faithful to God's word and through joining with other believers in the celebration and actualization of the Holy Spirit?

    What does atheism offer in place of Jesus Christ?

    We need some compelling reasons why we should abandon our faith for belief in nothing but self..

  • It's not reality's job to sugar-coat your life for you.

    If you care more about being comfortable than being in touch with the real world, then I have nothing to offer you.

    Notice that Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, et al have found peace, purpose, and understanding through their religion.

    The "utility" of believing in a proposition is not the same as an argument that the proposition says something "true" about the universe.

  • I don't need to think that Jesus ever existed (let alone was the physical embodiment of the omnipotent creator of the universe) to be able to draw wisdom or guidance from what he "said".

  • "Wow you really do need help. You don't seem to listen to the same thing your protesting, How can you protest something you arn't even listening to? How can you know what it is you are protesting?"

    Amen..

    They don't listen and they can not hear...

    Truer words have never been spoken....

    To all my faithful Christian brothers and sisters, God Bless You!

  • I'm listening...

  • ya its funny as they say that you will burn in hell if you dont believe but yet if you said this to them they would become angry. Also if you did believe there would be no need to look for the truth as she says because you would alrdy claim to know it. This seems to be one of the many answers that they use ALOT to back up why ppl might not see the truth as they claim.

  • Praise the Lord for you(c my comments on her vid. 2 u & on your vid.)I would love to make a video response but i dont have the equipment(if I did I still would know what to do with it). There is no power in this world greater than the power of His Holy Spirit("He who is in me(you) is greater than he who is in the world(them). Our Father in Heaven, do not lead him into temptation, but deliver him from the evil ones.Pray......and dont give up!

    2Peter3:8-9

  • Wow you really do need help. You don't seem to listen to the same thing your protesting, How can you protest something you arn't even listening to? How can you know what it is you are protesting?

  • I think you're being made a fool of, RabidApe. NOBODY is really a stupid as sablechicken makes herself appear (I like it when she says "He don't got..." LOL).

    Sure, she's a believer--but she's putting you on with the cretin act, and gleefully smirking at your frustration.

  • I really respect that you asked people to stop trolling.

  • Yeah, that was classy.

  • Happy New Year!

  • Rabid, you will never get answers from sablechicken or her brother or her mother. Being "civil" will make no difference. The most you'll get for your trouble is "Thanks for the response to my video".

  • You have had so many oppertunities, I have blocked, unblocked, blocked, unblocked, blocked, unblocked and now it is finally SecularNATION, you need to open a new troll account because this one is over for me.

    Sorry the unblock button is broken for over use.

  • "the unblock button is broken"

    What did I do this time?

  • You sir had an opinion, this is against the bible's core beliefs.

  • but it's so hard to be polite to her sometimes...i'm just glad all i have to do is ignore her when i feel like it(unlike if she were a coworker or in-law).

  • lol

  • besides "words of wisdom" watch my channel to see what ELSE mrblacksmoviereviews shits out of his mouth

  • No trolling?! WTF? ;)

  • I hope you don't block me. I rather like your videos. A wise person once said :

    "If this is a 'war of ideas' then it needs to be fought on many fronts, by many different 'types' of people.

    Different tactics will have different levels of efficacy when dealing with different demographics."

  • sorry, allready insulted her (had to watch that video first DUH.)

  • same here lol

  • kimmy2345k Rabidape asked a question, he got 14 responses from some prominent christians, but none of them actually answered any of his questions. some even resorted to the tried and tested BELIEVE or BURN strategy being frustrated by that is not being vicious it's being human.

  • what happened to the bullshit new strategy that you were so proudly spousing in the other video? Or playing the motherhen among the mean girls club in the cafeteria are just so addictive? Sablechicken is a little crazy in the head. But you and the yotubeclub atheists are just plain vicious. Good luck to all of you. I hope your growing bandwagon is as successful in real life as it is in youtube. Happy to be blocked.

  • "what happened to the bullshit new strategy that you were so proudly spousing in the other video?"

    One of the central ideas was to shift my focus to combating specific bad ideas. I think that's exactly what I'm doing.

    "But you and the yotubeclub atheists are just plain vicious."

    Excuse me? I was making an extraordinary effort to engage in a civil discussion WITHOUT inflicting undue viciousness.

  • I'll disparage whomever I please (thank you very much). I don't think I need to explain how lame it is to block people for expressing their opinion. I think someone just needs to think about that just a little more. Unfortunately for you RabidApe, you are no longer 100% cool (in my personal book of coolness). That little statement of yours rendered you only 99.9% cool. Sorry.

  • I understand you apprhension, Shawn. I could have perhaps packaged it better -

    Maybe I should have just ASKED everyone (as a favor?) to not swarm her video with nothing but insults, and thusly deny her the ability to use said insults as an excuse to not answer my questions...

  • That (IMO) would have been the way to go. But, you know what they say about hindsight...

  • Tell me about it!

    I wish we had this little exchange about twenty minutes ago!

    (new video just finished processing...)

    XD

  • "you remember rabidape's old themesong but you cant get his name right because he's oh-so-unimportant, right?

    you're a bit of a liar, arent you?"

    Sounds like legitimate criticism to me...

  • a bit?

    LMAO®

    his entire YT "career" is based on lying and bullshit

  • my "misunderstanding" is intentional

    ;-)

  • I know I'm out of the running, because I just misspelled his name...sorry fakesagAn :)

  • I can't decide who is smarter, you or Fakesagen. (see below :)

  • I've lost patience asking Christians questions. When you ask them questions (like "What is Hell?"), they can answer. But when you start asking the harder questions, you receive some vague, enigmatic answer that doesn't even respond to the question. At least some of them can truthfully state "I don't know," instead of trying to bullshit me.

  • That is so so so so true.

  • I am sorry RA. I watched 15 seconds of her talking and everything about her screams "INTELLIGENCE VACUUM ". I actually felt myself get dumber watching her video. She is an anti-intellectual singularity that a rational thought just can't escape from.

  • I have seen a couple of her videos before RA. She is a total idiot. Total refusal to educate herself. Scary.

  • o come on she's just a wicked x-tian cat lady ...

    not worth debating ...

  • Agreed. I'd be scared she'll start throwing cats at me when the debate doesn't go her way.

  • i know you dont like to dismiss people out of hand but after watching her video it seemed pretty obvious that she's got a one-way ticket on the crazy train. I don't know what you expect to actually get out of it.

    Although, i don't think she was trying to respond to you so much as get others to.

  • Watched her vid, well some of it she wasnt saying much, why debate someone like her?

    (what do i mean "someone like her?" well the vid speaks for itself)

    Some people are so conditioned into their delusion logical reasoning isn't an option.

  • lol

  • Sorry, I got to about 4 minutes of her video before I had to hit back. WTF was that?

    Strawmen attack? was she getting ready to spin a story about you killing someone?

    She wasn't talking to you anymore was she.

  • Oops, I posted a comment (not trolling) on her Vlog before I watched this. Don't block me...I love your videos. You're the only non-militant atheist on Youtube (that I've found).

  • "You're the only non-militant atheist on Youtube (that I've found)"

    I would consider RA one of the MOST militant atheists on youtube. You must be confusing the term militant with asshole.

  • "You must be confusing the term militant with asshole"

    That being said you need to keep looking because there are an endless supply of militant atheist who aren't assholes.

  • Good luck.

  • I'm not aware of whats going on here...

  • I couldn't troll her even if I wanted to (and I don't). She blocked me. Why? I was offended when she mocked you (and all atheists) a couple of months ago. I'm guessing, anyway.

  • My god is Zues, and you have seriously sinned against him!! Now, I wouldn't dare do anything your Jew god wanted me to do or I would really BE IN SERIOUS TROUBLE WITH ZEUS the God of all gods king of all kings and lord of all lords!

  • I love your approach...all the way down to the pleas to keep things civil amongst your subscribers.

    That's why you kick ass...in case you didn't know.

  • Come on man, it's difficult NOT to troll her...

  • Sorry, I watched her vid first and just had to be a little "hateful".

    Well, I guess you won't get a thing out of this conversation with her anyway.

  • thanks

  • you're welcome

    :)

  • I think a better "thank you" would be addressing his points, as he asked.

  • second

  • third

  • Yeah Rabidape, you have to start "lookin'" or in other words deluding yourself to find what you WANT God to be. You just "don't have imagination", meaning you can't believe in magical invisible people as well as Christians can.

  • That lady is very scary. If anything, too many conversations with her would probably scare me into belief, with that sort of welded-shut mentality.

  • Rabid, I LOVE that you didn't just tell her to fuck off like another asshole athiest on youtube. You are probably one of the most if not the most sensible, intelligent declared "athiests" on youtube! :)

  • She had trouble dealing with the fact that you did not respect your neighbors God. Not once in the bible did I ever see a neighbors worship of a God respected. I remember people being killed and their Gods destroyed, if my memory serves me. I can comment here, right?

  • THAT IS AN EXCELLENT POINT.

    (civil discussion != trolling)

  • she must have an unbounding imagination...seeing as she's christian and all...

  • not really. it's the lack of imagination that makes her christian. the people who made the whole mythology up were the ones with the great imaginations.

  • hahahah

    well said.

    :P

  • She talk like my father. He told me yesterday: "you don't have faith because Satan has blinded you". It's a circular argument like "I'm invisible only when people don't see me"

    :-)

  • I couldn't make it through her entire video. Cliche garbage and non-answers.....

  • "non-answers" - my point EXACTLY!

  • I told FableStricken that her hat was cute. I hope this will not be perceived as trolling. Her hat IS cute.

    Again, I cannot help thinking that the fact that they do NOT answer is telling us that they know they have no answer, or that their answers are more amusing than persuasive. I'd go further and say they KNOW their "answers" make no sense.

  • FableStricken lmao. That is genius.

  • Well spoken, RabidApe. I watched her video. I think that the poor girl forgets the old saying (coined by Christians) that "The road to Hell is paved with good intentions."

    At least her heart was almost in the right place. Most believers don't understand that some have a really hard time believing in something contrary to their own wits.

  • how the fuck does she survive on a day to day basis??? HOW THE FUCK DO AMERICANS ALLOWS THIS SORT OF RETARDATION TO EXIST!!! FOR FUCK SAKE THIS ISNT A JOKE ANYMORE, ELECTIONS ARE COMING UP, AND ALL YOUR CANDIDATES ARE AS STUPID AS THIS STUPID FUCK, AND YOUR THE WORLDS SUPER POWER!!! STOP THIS RIGHT NOW!!! special religious underpants???? seriously say it to yourselves!!!!!!

  • Only Mormons have magic underwear. This means that Mitt Romney will win the Republican Nomination; providing he remembers to change his underwear daily (dirty underwear is less magical). I am aware that Sikhs also have magic underwear (but they don't count because they lack Jello and Jesus).

  • "Only Mormons have magic underwear."

    What is this special underwear. All the Mormons I've known used standard underwear. Perhaps you can share what this magic underwear is?

  • It is a secret. But like most secrets there is a YouTube video about it (watch?v=KsXzHLiHTOU). The underwear are called Garments and are not to be discussed with outsiders.

  • "It is a secret. But like most secrets there is a YouTube video about it"

    Haha

  • "The underwear are called Garments"

    I gotta tell you I have Mormons in my family, and NONE of them wear the magic underpants. The girls wear ordinary panties, the boy wears fruit of the loom. How do I know, cause when they visit the jackasses use my washer and forget to move their clothes to the dryer.

  • "I gotta tell you I have Mormons in my family, and NONE of them wear the magic underpants"

    Heathens!

  • what is this whole magic underpants thing I keep hearing about?

    Did the early mormons have some sort of spiritual security blanket in the form of underpants?

    I just dont get it.

  • Someone posted this about them

    watch?v=KsXzHLiHTOU but there are others.

  • "Heathens!"

    Ummm.... BYU, married in the "holy city". They are pretty stinking Mormon... though I guess I did hear some complaints when the girls went to BYU that the other women only wanted to talk about getting married and having babies so they all could be heathens.

  • Jesus warns us about those who wear false underwear in Mathew 7:15-16:

    15) Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

    16) Ye shall know them by their fruits-of-the-looms. Do men wear boxers, or briefs?

    Jesus rambles on about trees for three verses (Jesus sometimes thought he was Johnny Appleseed when he had a little too much of his juice).

  • Then Jesus spells it out in Matthew 7:20. 20) Wherefore by their underwear ye shall know them.

  • WHAT DO YOU MEAN DONT TROLL HER CHANNEL!!! IM PISSED. You know why rapid ape, I was trolled today. Thats right, and I was trolled by my own fucking mother. And she did it in the name of christianity. So I feel its only fair to do some trolling myself, especially to someone that deserves it as much as this person your responding to.

  • "So I feel its only fair to do some trolling myself"

    Well, I can't see where she trolled you, but, here is the big but...

    ...having a "heathen" act more like a Christian brings much in the way of shame value, and does much to encourage critical self reflection. It's both the worst and the best thing you can do.

    Be evil, turn the other cheek.

  • Lame!

    Cyclical retribution gets us nowhere.

    Any schmuck can string together a bunch of swearwords and catchphrases - if you feel the need to 'troll', do it with substance:

    When all you represent is a reluctance to embrace bad ideas and an inclination to seek evidence, you become difficult to argue against.

    /my two cents

  • Damn it, RA....re-post that with your RabidAp3 profile so I may give it thumbs up!

  • "Any schmuck can string together a bunch of swearwords and catchphrases - if you feel the need to 'troll', do it with substance"

    So what category would saying something like "sablechicken, you alone are reason not to believe in God" fit into. :p

  • OR "sablechicken, you would sound irrational if you were reading the dictionary" :-)

  • Nice move RA on the trolling, used to do it myself until its negative results became obvious .

  • She's right RA, we were born with a limited imagination. It requires a HUGE imagination to believe in Christianity.

  • [Sablechicken]

    I've been banned since September from her channel for being a "dishonest sock puppet". Funny this is my only YT account. But needless to say I can't be accused of trolling her account.

  • She said you had a "limited imagination". I see how it is, Christianity is based on your imagination, what a surprise. But, I guess it's true; belief in God = creative imagination. Reminds me of South Park's imaginationland.

  • RabidApe, I sincerely admire your attempt to keep the assholes from spamming and trolling whomever disagrees with you. You are one of my favorite YTers because, unlike many other popular YT atheists, you have class.

    Thank you for your videos and your calm and rational demeanor in dealing with theists and atheists alike. Five stars, and I am proud to be subscribed.

  • My pleasure!

    (RabidApe 2024!)

  • lol =)

  • Dude, if I weren't an anarchist, you'd totally have my vote. ;)

  • vote anyway!

  • Voting's for dicks.

    (I'm just joking. I really do vote. Guess I'm a dick...)

  • yay dicks!

  • Yay dicks! =)

    Spoken like a true Feminist, Ben.

  • XD Yeah, go for it!

  • =)

    Oh all right. Just for you guys.

  • Not only does responding to Sable Geerup Yokeup and any number of other attention hungry Theists not help I really think it plays right into their hands. They want to paint non believers in a certain way, and not with pretty pastel colors. Be reasonable and they ignore you or do their best to ridicule you, like they did to FormerFollier or abuse any trust they may have as a youtuber like Javid. There are Theists on YOutube worth watching but so many are just playing for subs and views.

  • We'll just have to agree to disagree.

    If this is a 'war of ideas' then it needs to be fought on many fronts, by many different 'types' of people.

    Different tactics will have different levels of efficacy when dealing with different demographics.

  • I can't argue your point of view, we can agree to disagree. You can remove my comment if you think it might take away from what you are trying to accomplish, I won't take it personal and I even understand why you would want to.

  • it's cool, man!

    :D

  • I agree completely Ender1zero1, but I'll comply with RA this one time out of respect.

  • Do we get blocked if we 1 star her?

  • I'm not positive but I think if you turn off the Ratings Box in your controls what you rate vids doesn't show on your page or on the page your rating.

  • I know, but thanks. I didn't make any comments at all, but she was very condescending and rude, so I gave her 1 star.

  • Sorry I wasted your time, honest, just trying to help :).

  • "  ."

  • I don't love my neighbour as I do myself one bit. I think it is bad advice. I have locks for a reason, primarily my "neighbours".

    Christians have this thing for trusting their neighbours, but polls say they don't afford that for their atheist neighbours. It's relative. I think more christians agree with your sense of morality than they do the biblical sense of morality. And I bet you have locks.

  • I do. Touche!

  • Sable and I usually get along well, So if I have any good constructive discussion to add I hope you don't mind.

  • "good constructive discussion"

    'nuff said!

    :D

  • What's funny is under a sock puppet account we got along just dandy, but under this account I'm a coward.

  • Wow! ... reminds me of 10-20% of the local population where I grew up.

  • You were very thoughtful when you put this together, nice video.

  • Thank you.

  • RabidApe, maybe you should have a debate with the God Warrior woman. She seems more rational than many youboob theists.

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