This thing shouldn't be forced on little girls ;it seems a little "rape-y" to me, like they're being led into a trap of some kind. Maybe we're all trapped in a false idea of what's right & wrong, for instance. Look at the history books, you can find examples where whole countries were misled by evil leaders, and kids were telling parents what was wrong about what was going on because they are born not knowing anything,but have an innate sense of right & wrong, just like Taylor.
I find it funny that people use mediums like a comment section in order to argue pointless debates. :D Not the reason I wanted to comment though! I wanted to say thank you for your concise and wonderfully thought out video response. You made some excellent points, the most important of these being the message tolerance and acceptance. (In my opinion, of course.) Thanks for taking the time to post your video. You did a great job. :)
@zooftra@zooftra I am with you on your video 100% you are right on the mark and I am a Trans person Male to Female. I do believe a lot of these transexuals out there they actually do think in their head they were born female sad part is we have a pair of balls downstairs. BTW I am Male to female and I agree with you. that girl scout is twisted in the head!
I don't even need to post in response to @aThinkingChristian anymore. It is clear they have no historical, medical, or biblical understanding and no facts to give us.
Really, all that @aThinkingChristian (when they are actually an IgnorantChristian) is posting is Biblical untruths and he's basically showing us all what we are up against. The kind of ignorance that comes from the Bible is now all over this page, and we can stand up against it. This person has been discredited, contradicted, and just proven wrong and refuses to accept it. Ignorance and denial.
@lizard944 I could come up with some scathing, intelligent reply, but instead I think I'll just call you a motherfucking douchebag who I hope mistakes a crowbar for their dildo.
@lizard944 I could come up with some scathing, intelligent reply, but instead I think I'll just call you a motherfucking douchebag who I hope mistakes a crowbar for their dildo.
@lizard944 I could come up with some scathing, intelligent reply, but instead I think I'll just call you a motherfucking douche bag who I hope mistakes a crowbar for their dildo.
The only reason the GSA are caving is because of fear of a lawsuit. The video poster doesn't identify whether it is male or female, but I've found that the people who support the idea of transgender are mostly young, impressionable adults who could be sold a bill of goods on just about anything. If I didn't have a conscience, I'd be selling magic beans to them. The other supporters are the dregs of society who can't get their shit together to save their lives.
@lizard944 You've already been discredited on the comments of several other videos upon this topic. I enjoy that once your argument fails in one place, you just move on to another because you think you'll be able to win with your ignorance somewhere else. Wrong. You are still bigoted.
@barefootwits You're right! I'm busted. Ok, do whatever you want. By the way, how's that thing going with the transgendered Patricia Dye? The 31 y/o woman who was posing as a boy in order to molest girls/women?
are you serious !!!!! well how do we tell what kind of dog we have or not ? It has balls but likes to chew on pink toys soooo ...instead of calling him Fido I now must call him (her) FiFi .............what a joke woman. You know what I was a Brownie , Girlscout .... This is messed up . dont knock on my door keep ur dam cookies
@Haibai886 Her size directly affects or offends you, how? And how do you know she doesn't have any sort of medical condition or isn't stuck in a wheelchair, unable to exercise?
I dont believe that gender is found between your ears. It doesnt make me a nut or stupid. It is simply a dissagreement. With this presupposition I will obviously come to a differnt conclusion concerning transgenders. There is no malice, I just dissagree with you. Isnt it great that folks can have different opinions.
@diggerblue2002 What do you call me then, for having an incredibly obvious female body and the mind of a boy? I'm just wondering because I want to understand your thought pattern better. Not trying to change your mind here.
I am happy to say, that I am allowed in the women's changing rooms despite being born without a vagina. I also like to tell you, that I did go to a camp last summer with only one public shower. Since no one knew I am traansgender I was very afraid to use the shower. Fortunately to my surprise I only received comments such as "Pardon me, are you being rebuild?" and everyone continued to accept me as a woman. It does work out fine.
@TenderGenderBender It makes me happy that you have been received so well. :) I'm hopeful that in the future, it will continue and more people can live the life that they deserve.
Just food for thought: Do any of you consciously remember when you decided to be cis-gendered? (I'm assuming most of the people that need to consider this are biologically male here; if you're not, my apologies) Do you remember when you made the decision to act like a male? You probably don't because it's not a conscious decision.
She was brave to talk out about this crazy direction of the Girl Scouts... Only the dead go down the stream, only the living can swim against the current... No Girl Scout Cookies for a while...
So an honest question... Since gender is "between the ears" (as they say), would you have a problem taking a shower, in a community camp setting, for example, with a boy who thinks he's a girl? Or getting dressed in the morning with the "girl" in the same room? If you're going to be consistent with your logic you will have to answer that you don't see anything wrong with those things, since body anatomy is irrelevant to this issue. Is that what you believe?
@aThinkingChristian Thanks for your question. I actually wouldn't mind, though I think that has more to do with not feeling shame or revulsion towards sex and bodies than transgendered issues. I would feel comfortable changing in front of most of my cisgendered (male in a male body) male friends. If i had a daughter in this situation, I would explain to her that the other child's body might look different than hers, but they are a human being too and that is what matters most.
@zooftra Ok, so what then defines "girl" or "boy"? And do you understand that no matter how hard one tries to blur the lines between them that there still are unavoidable differences between the two?
I heard years ago about women who demanded the right to go topless in public like men do. That's insane, because of the unavoidable differences I mentioned above. A woman may feel "free" if shirtless in public, but she sure isn't safe. God made male and female, and differences should be respected.
@aThinkingChristian There are unavoidable differences in bodies. But gender is between the ears, and that does have a blurry line.
Why shouldn't a topless woman feel safe in public? I understand that she wouldn't be right now, because of how people feel. But really, breasts are not a magical item that will cause death and destruction of left uncovered.
I am not religious, and i do not necessarily feel that the bible is the best source for how to live, which is a difference between us.
@zooftra The reason a woman should feel threatened if topless in public is because of the way God made men. God made men to be attracted to things with their eyes, and not with their emotions (like most women). I know that's a stereotype, but the exceptions prove the rule. If women were allowed to go topless rape would skyrocket. As a woman I don't expect you to understand that statement, but as a man, I can promise you it would be so. And that has nothing to do with religion, etc.
@aThinkingChristian wow. Well, I can see that any more conversation with you won't get very far, since I am a woman and apparently that means I'm dumber than you. We are very different people, with obviously very different viewpoints. I respect your right to hold yours, but I don't think either of us will change the other one's mind.
@zooftra Dummer than me? LOL! Where in the world do you get that idea? You've completely missed the point. I simply stated that men and women think differently towards the opposite sex, and I think that's a pretty scientific reality, as well as a biblical reality, since God made us. I never said or implied that are dumb. Be careful about reading more into something than is there.
@aThinkingChristian Maybe you need to read into things MORE. If your supposed 'god' made us all, then it was 'him' who also designed all the chemical balances in our physiology that dictates our thought patterns and behavior. Trans people's minds are the way they are because they were exposed to different levels of androgens in the womb. I certainly can't help that I have a boy's mind and female body.
@aThinkingChristian I find it funny that all of the rapes I've heard about the women were fully clothed....be it a mini skirt and a halter top they were wearing or jeans and a turtle neck....
@aThinkingChristian This is not something I would expect from a "Thinking" Christian. "If women were allowed to go topless rape would skyrocket." Are you not aware that Adam and Eve were naked? If rape has not "sky rocketed" with the obvious presence of Drugs, alcohol and pornography then why in the world would rape increase because of bare boobs? That is ridiculous.
@SacramentoRealtor Adam and Eve were naked in Eden, but were not ashamed of it BEFORE THEIR REBELLION AGAINST GOD. Once they sinned the Bible says they knew they were naked and were ashamed. And then GOD clothed them.
If you're going to attempt to use the Bible in your argument, please keep it in context. Because it in no way supports your argument here.
@zooftra As for the Bible, I do believe it is the perfect guide for all of humanity. How negligent would God be if he allowed us birth and then expected us to find out the truths of life without any guide? If I did that with my children the government would take them away from me. But when it comes to God, we imagine that we can live any way we want to without regard to his laws and will for us. We have a free will, but decisions have consequences: good and bad.
@AlfredHaynesLive I am currently attending an honors university, where I have taken multiple gender studies classes, as well as a class entitled "Human Sexuality"
Trust me when i say, gender is between the ears.
I feel no need to play the gay card. homosexuality is not the same as transgenderedness. Perhaps a normal life for the aforementioned child IS to live as a girl.
@lizard944 If you are blind, you get whatever medical treatment you can to fix it, and if you're successful, you can damn well become a truck driver if you want.
@lizard944 Many congenital blindnesses can be cured. It all depends on what congenital disease caused it. The point is that if you can do something about a medical problem, you should, and when you're done fixing it, you have every right to do the things you're capable of. Gender Identity Disorder can be fixed, and that's what Bobbie's parents are doing.
@AlfredHaynesLive If you're really a homosexual, you're a disgusting hypocrit because you're using the same stupid argumentum ad hominem that homophobes use.
@aThinkingChristian She's only not safe because of the way her sex was forced to act in earlier years, which has made breasts seem incredibly taboo in public, which in turn makes them more arousing because they're 'forbidden fruit'. Go to some places in Europe and check out how it doesn't matter so much there because they've remained fairly open.
@pulseofmidnight21 I'm sorry, but as I've already tried to state, you don't have the mind of a male (even though you think you do). There is nothing "taboo" with breasts. They are arguably the most beautiful part of a woman's body. God made them that way to attract the opposite sex. When Adam & Eve rebelled against God in Eden & knew they were naked, GOD put clothes on them. God never intended for humans to walk around naked like animals. We are not animals, we are humans created in God's image.
@aThinkingChristian So you're basically saying that God made women for their boobs. Mm, you're kind of a pig. If God made no mistakes, then I'm sure it isn't a mistake that he provided people with logic to help transgender individuals that he also created. You use the Bible for seriously stupid reasons, if this is what you think comes out of it.
@barefootwits Whoa! LOL. No, I don't believe any such thing. And, no offense, but there is no way anyone who's reading what I've written could come to such a conclusion that you have.
Do you have a bias against people who use the Bible? If so, may I ask where you got it from? Do you believe in God? If so, what does he want for YOUR life?
@aThinkingChristian You did basically imply it. I do believe in God and I'm pretty sure he wants me to be happy and not lie to myself or others about who he made me as. I don't have a bias against people who use the Bible with the words that it actually says, but I don't enjoy when people so blatantly misinterpret it and use it to slander other people and cause them shame for being something that they were created as. Go ahead and tell me what you think the Bible says.
@barefootwits Why would any reasonable person claim that God made women for their boobs? I mean, seriously? If you know any history at all, you know that it's Christianity that has been the haven for women's rights. Why, then, would a Christian (me) bring the role of woman down to such a base level?
So I ask you, what does the Bible "actually say"? Can you show me in the Bible where it says that God wants you to be happy?
@aThinkingChristian YOU were making the argument that God made women to have boobs and stated that they are "arguably the most attractive part of a woman." If you knew ANYTHING about the Bible, you would really know that more feminists reject the Bible because it was used to condemn their equal rights to men, as well as spread segregation. Can you show me in the Bible where it says that God doesn't want people to love each other? Pretty sure love makes people happy.
@barefootwits Yes I did, and they are. And the Bible has much to say about them (Proverbs 5:19).
Can you cite a historical instance where the Bible was used to "condemn their equal rights to men"? How about for segregation? Can you show me a verse in the Bible that supports segregation?
You have a limited understanding of love. True love is not accepting everyone for who they are. Not every lifestyle has validity. True love is loving in light of GOD'S word and worldview.
@aThinkingChristian The fact that men used the verse like 1Timothy 2:11-15 to tell women that they didn't deserve equal rights is right in front of you. People are gaining ignorance and hatred from a book that is supposed to teach them NOT to display those things. You have a weird perception of what "love" means and what Jesus taught about it. Jesus hung out with liars, thieves, and whores and LOVED them and taught them to love themselves. Hm.
@barefootwits But is that what 1 Tim. 2:11-15 is saying? Do you understand that the freedoms you enjoy in this nation as a women comes from the Christianity that founded this nation? Perhaps you can show me in history an instance where America's leaders used the Bible as you claim to suppress women's rights. Can you?
Jesus taught sinners to love themselves? Quote him.
@aThinkingChristian Please, go learn some HISTORY now. This country wasn't founded on Christian basis whatsoever. It was founded on the hope for people to practice FREEDOM OF RELIGION. Meaning ALL religions. Do you seriously not understand how demeaning the Bible is to women and people who weren't white males in higher class society. (It even demeans tax collectors. Really.) The whole movement against women's rights was an instance in which the men
@barefootwits ""The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity." -President John Adams, Founding Father and 2nd President of the United States
Say again?
I'll ask you again, show me a verse in the Bible where it's (truly) demeaning to women and people who weren't white males. As a matter of fact, can you show me ANY WHITE MALES in the Bible?
@aThinkingChristian And yet. Still, not ALL the founding fathers were Christian and the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution stress freedom of religion. Huh. I think that explains that enough. Christianity didn't have anything to do with the founding of this country.
You need to go read your book and find where it talks about slavery all over what Moses wrote. The Bible says that a woman giving birth is unclean in Leviticus 12: 1-8.
@aThinkingChristian Look at Numbers 5:11-31. It says that women's bodies were not their own. Men could divorce their wives on a whim. Deuteronomy 24:1-4. Keep trying to suggest these verses aren't suppressive of women. I'm sure a few women would smack you for it.
@aThinkingChristian in this country used the Bible to suppress women. If you don't think so, then you're just a lost cause.
Jesus taught everyone to love. He taught them that their lives were worth HIS life. I don't have to quote him. I just have to remind you of the image of the cross and that's all there is to that argument.
@barefootwits But if you can't quote Jesus to support your claims, then how can you say he is in agreement with your lifestyle? We have his words in the Bible. You claimed these things about him. I'm just asking you to prove it. Can you do that?
If you can't (and I will tell you that you can't), then shouldn't you have the character to go back to the Bible to see what it REALLY says, instead of what you IMAGINE it to say? Seriously.
@aThinkingChristian If you think that Jesus didn't teach about love, go and read John 3:16. PLEASE. Read it. Jesus never said one thing about homosexuality or anything relating to it. I wonder why. Because he loved and accepted everyone and wanted them to know God.
I can prove that you are using the Bible for judgement and ignorance (and have, already. Done.) I think that means you should go and look at it once more, because you IMAGINE a shit ton about it.
@barefootwits I never said Jesus didn't teach about love. YOU claimed that he taught a message of acceptance. I asked you to prove that. Can you?
Let's look at John 3:16: "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
Ok, what does "believing in him" mean? WHO gets "everlasting life"?
@aThinkingChristian Love is a huge term that includes acceptance. It's a definition. In fact, I'm sure if you looked up the word "love," "acceptance" would by a synonym for it. It is. (And I didn't need to Bible to know that. Wow.)
Believing in Jesus meant just that. That he died for our sins and made us clean. We all get everlasting life because he died for ALL of us.
@barefootwits No! God/Jesus is also 100% JUST, and love without justice is not love at all. The very fact that you imagine that Jesus' death gives you license to live however you choose shows just how much you DON'T know about Him or the Bible. You won't find that thinking anywhere in the Bible.
Yes, Jesus died for all of humanity. BUT, he expects them to repent of their rebellion against him and humbly turn to him for salvation, based on HIS merits, not theirs. THEN eternal life.
@aThinkingChristian JUSTICE. You talk about condemning people for being the people that God made them justice. You have a very screwed up sense of the Bible and the term "love." Jesus's death gave me license to live. Period. And he loves me no matter how I live. We get eternal life because he died for us. He expects us to use all of our potential and spread the love that he did.
@barefootwits No! Jesus' death gave you an open door to be reconciled to your Creator. You & I were born in sin (Romans 5). We deserve hell for our rebellion against God. (Jesus spoke about hell more than he did love.) And you're using very twisted logic to imagine that God puts his stamp of approval on any lifestyle you choose to live. No he does not, and one day you will give an account for the deeds you committed (Romans 2).
Your message in only in your head, not in the Bible.
@aThinkingChristian Jesus's death meant that everyone, EVERYONE was saved and could know God. You need to seriously read John 3:16. God gave his son for everyone. Not just ignorant people like you. Jesus actually only mentioned hell a handful of times. The word "hell" shows up in the Bible loads, yes, but not in the words of Jesus. You're confused. Love, on the other hand. Jesus's love was pretty outstanding, and he shared it. Your head is turned around.
@aThinkingChristian Oh, we're going on to speak about Hitler now? Seriously? A man that did something drastically bad, yes, but not the only man in the world to ever do so, and still a man who falls under what Jesus said about being saved, that Jesus still died for him. You sure you want to use this argument, because it's a pretty awful one.
@barefootwits Oh, yes, I want to use this argument. Are you claiming Hitler is in heaven today, and that Jesus saved him? Are you claiming he's the only man who took the lives of thousands of innocent people? Let's talk about it. Back to you.
@aThinkingChristian I definitely said that Hitler WASN'T the only man who committed atrocities, yet he's the only person that you're bringing up in this argument, instead of several other names of people that I'm sure you would think are also in hell. And regardless of whether or not a person is in hell, that doesn't mean Jesus and God didn't love them. Are you saying they didn't?
@barefootwits I never said that God didn't love them. But that love stops at the grave. They had their chance to be saved and they rejected it. So they condemn themselves to hell. There is no love there, or God is love and God is not there. But they certainly did not benefit from the love of Jesus, or his death on the cross, because they did not yield to him on HIS TERMS. The same will be said of you if you do not yield.
@aThinkingChristian God doesn't continue loving all of the people that he created even after they died? Even after creating them so carefully in his image? No way. God is there by just the fact that they were made in his image and made by him. In that way, they are part of God's creation, and so God is there. The love of Jesus reaches to all, and I have it. You don't know about my relationship with Jesus. It's pretty tight.
@barefootwits You can make any claim you want, but when pressed for solid proof you can't give anything beyond your own head. I'm sorry, but that doesn't float for anyone. For your faith to be legitimate it has to be grounded in truth and something outside yourself. Unfortunately, what you've described is only in you. It's not found in any authoritative writings on earth.
@aThinkingChristian I've obviously given verses and facts about the Bible. That's pretty much stuff out there for anyone to find that I didn't just make up. Your argument that it's all my head is pretty much proven wrong by our whole discussion. The truth is that you believe in a book. I believe in Jesus. And there is a difference in that. I don't spread hatred and ignorance.
The problem with your argument is that the Jesus you claim to believe in is TOTALLY TIED IN WITH THAT BOOK. You can't separate them, because outside of the Bible you know nothing about him. You wouldn't even know he existed. So if you take Jesus you take the Bible. If you reject the Bible, you reject Jesus. You know this is true, so there's not much more I can say.
I gotta go. Oh, if you only knew the beauty of true salvation in Christ! I pray God opens your eyes.
@aThinkingChristian Again, the Bible is not the only proof of Jesus and the men who wrote the Bible wrote other things that are still beings studied and meticulously examined. Proof of Jesus is in those. Not just your book. And history is passed down by PEOPLE. There's really not much more that I can say, other than READ your book. Understand that you're misinterpreting. Try to open your heart to acceptance like God planned for you. I'll pray for that.
@barefootwits Look, I gave you a couple of hours of my life. To try and win a debate? No. But to try and tell you that there is peace with God, but only on HIS terms. That is what the Bible teaches, that is what you will be judged by when you take your last breath.
It's ironic that you keep telling me to read the Bible, when it's clear that you have not done so yourself, but imagine yourself to be an authority on it. Why not take your own advice & read it yourself to find truth?
@barefootwits Ok. But never forget Romans 2:5-6, where Paul said (under the inspiration of God): "But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; Who will render to every man according to his deeds."
It's easy to sit behind a keyboard and make claims. But judgment day will be a different matter. I pray you will open your eyes to truth and put away the self-deception.
@aThinkingChristian Where PAUL said, under his own interpretations because he was HUMAN. You don't get to heaven by doing good deeds, and if you believe that, then you seriously haven't read much of your book at all.
It IS easy to sit behind a computer and make claims about a book that you have gained only ignorance from. I wonder why other people don't believe in the Bible. Probably because it's a book that has made you a bigot and they know better.
@barefootwits No, but good deeds PROVE that one is a believer. Read James, chapter 2. Talk is cheap. Actions speak louder than words. You say you're a Christian? Prove it.
A lot of other people believe the Bible to be the word of God. More than you know. They are the only thing holding this nation together. Take them out and it all goes to dust.
@aThinkingChristian Good deeds don't prove that someone is a believer. You're basically saying that people should do good deeds to prove that they are Christian, and that makes those good deeds selfish, because those people would then only be doing them to benefit themselves. See how that works? It doesn't. I've proven I'm a Christian by stating my love of Jesus, which is what the Bible says is all you have to do to be received in heaven.
@aThinkingChristian They wouldn't. You can do one action but several more to negate that. I'm sure you've shown your wife at times that you DON'T love her or respect her enough. (Everyone does. Don't even try to say you haven't. I'll only have myself a right laugh.)
John 3:16 is where it tells you that Jesus died for you and that if you receive him, you'll go to heaven. There you go. Didn't have to wait long.
@aThinkingChristian Right. So you wouldn't claim that your father loves you, because he did all of those horrible things to you and your sister, right? That's pretty simple, I guess.
John 3:16 tells people about the love that Jesus had for them and that that is why he died, FOR HIS LOVE OF THEM. And it goes on to state that if you know Jesus died for you, you will go to heaven. Maybe you're stuck in your sad interpretation of it.
@barefootwits My father proved his LACK of love for me BY HIS ACTIONS (works). He and I have a good relationship now. He says he loves me and he SHOWS that love BY HIS ACTIONS. (This is pretty silly and simple. How can you not get this?)
You claimed that the Bible says that if you love Jesus you'll go to heaven. The Bible says no such thing. John 3:16 describes HIS LOVE, not yours. It also says you have to BELIEVE, and belief requires REPENTANCE and coming to God on HIS TERMS.
@aThinkingChristian You obviously don't know those commandments, and again, you've probably broken several of them yourself, including "Do no lie." Which, since all you've been posting is slander about the Bible, shows that you've broken that one. Shame on you.
@barefootwits Well, I have not lied at all during these discussions. But have I lied in the past? Sure. So have you. What does that make you? A liar. That's a sin. How are you doing to get rid of that before you stand before God?
@aThinkingChristian I haven't lied during these discussions. I've stated facts. You've stated slander. Slander = falsehoods. Pretty sure that's lying. How are you going to face God now? The same way you would, because you believe in Jesus, and that means you have been SAVED.
@barefootwits Amazing! That's all I can say. LOL. Your list of names for me is growing (i.e. slander) and I've called you none. But I'M slandering? LOL. Amazing.
@aThinkingChristian I pray you can stop trying to deceive other people and will stop trying to push beliefs on them that are small-minded and don't actually come from anywhere but the heads of people misinterpreting what they read from an ancient book.
@barefootwits What benefit could I possibly receive by deceiving other people? I don't get paid for this. LOL.
Sorry, but you're wrong. What I've posted has been entirely consistent with the Scriptures, which I have been studying longer than you've been alive. You have yet to prove anything I've quoted to be incorrect, and that is because you don't know the Bible yourself. But you will be judged from your adherence to it, so you really should learn what it says.
@aThinkingChristian You're trying to get other people to agree with your ignorant ideas. LOL.
You've posted things that contradict yourself, like what you've stated about women's rights, slavery, the Constitution, and the scriptures that you have posted that I have been able to tell you that actual theologists have done more study on that you have and state that there are many ways to interpret them.
@barefootwits I'm sure you have been studying what your preacher and parents have told you about the Bible, and they've been studying that from their parents and teachers who were equally ignorant about what OTHER people like professionals and historians state about the Bible with actual research. I HAVE proved you to be incorrect, but that's the thing about ignorance. You hold onto it and refuse reason. You really don't know the Bible, and yeah, you should really learn about it.
@barefootwits My parents never once taught me the Bible. My father is still not a believer. And I led my mother to faith in Christ. I was a Christian before she was. So you don't know what you're talking about. I have a graduate degree in theology and plan to continue my studies. Believe me, the ignorance is not on this side of the keyboard.
@aThinkingChristian Good, then your father believes some sense and I'm sure he would laugh over the things that you would be posting here. Funny, that. I hope your mother didn't actually learn "Christianity" from you. You know, your claim that religious people are all great. Religious people killed Jesus. Stating that you have all of these credentials when you can't prove it doesn't bolster your argument, they just show you have nothing left to argue.
@barefootwits My father drove his daughter into drug addiction through physical and verbal abuse. I received the same abuse. Had he been a Christian that would not have happened.
@aThinkingChristian Christians do horrible things ALL the time, so your point is moot. Go look at the people at Westboro Church and come back and try that argument again. You won't be able to.
@barefootwits All the time? LOL. Christians aren't perfect. Westboro church is NOT acting in a way that is Christian. Not at all. But because a church twists the Bible for their own selfish gain (something you've done, also, I might add), does not make Christianity wrong.
@barefootwits Well, let's look at it again. I said it was Christianity that had the largest impact on the eradication of slavery. You disagreed and said it was the abolitionists and the slaves themselves. Did you think that through before you posted it? Most, if not all, abolitionists WERE CHRISTIANS! And the slaves themselves had zero rights. They didn't do a thing for their freedom when it came to changing the laws and national mindset. You gotta learn history, girl!
@aThinkingChristian More people actually DON'T believe in the Bible than the people that do, and there is a reason. Because of people like YOU getting it wrong and being hypocritical. They are the thing actually pulling this nation apart, as you would see by them trying to separate LGBT people from others. Take them out and this nation would actually be alright.
@barefootwits Yeah, and what's ironic (and a historical fact) is that America was founded upon the Bible. Wow, I sure wish those Founding Fathers who build this great nation had you to help them see all the flaws and errors in the Bible. Oh, wait! America became a great nation because of it. Hmmm... Something doesn't line up. I guess I'll side with history.
@aThinkingChristian And what's ironic (and that's an ACTUAL fact) is that you're making up your country's history. Please give us actual facts that say that America was founded upon Christianity. You won't find any and any that you do find are going to come from people like you and they'll be able to be proven wrong by people who know better. I guess I'll side with history AND common sense. America is a great nation because people proven the Bible wrong.
@barefootwits I already quote John Adams a long while back. You probably ignored that one, didn't you? Go back and read it before I waste my time and post more you won't read.
You're not interested in reality. You're interested only in arguing. Facts don't suit you very well.
@aThinkingChristian Did you really think your comment through before posting it, because MOST SLAVE HOLDERS WERE CHRISTIANS. The slaves actually escaped to the North where they WERE free and HAD rights. Go do your history before you shove racism in here along with your bigotry. They fought for their own freedom. You can't ignore Martin Luther King, Jr. I'm sure Abe Lincoln would turn in his grave over your comments. Also, I've always been a boy. Add sexist to your list.
@barefootwits And the north wasn't full of Christians? And just where did those slaves find refuge? In the homes of atheists or LGBT people? And, no, most slave owners were NOT Christians.
But for you to say that the slaves gained freedom from their own efforts shows just how insanely ignorant you are of history. THEY HAD NO RIGHTS. NONE, ZIPPO, ZILCH. THEY WERE PROPERTY. What part of this don't you understand?
CHALLENGE: POST ONE INSTANCE WHERE SLAVES CHANGED SLAVES LAWS.
@aThinkingChristian The north was full of Christians who ACCEPTED slaves and actually read about acceptance in the Bible. Most slave owners WERE Christian, and in fact, I'd like you to find me record of any that weren't. You probably can't, because MOST WERE. That's why the South is considered the "Bible Belt."
Slaves were property in the Bible too. What part of that don't you understand? The Bible said that having slaves was OK.
@barefootwits (Sigh.) Have you ever read Harriett Beecher Stowe's book "Uncle Tom's Cabin"? Go read that classic and you'll learn a thing or two about so-called Christian slave owners.
@aThinkingChristian Really, go read it yourself. You'll see about all of those horrid things that those Christian slave owners did. Also, go read Frederick Douglas's Autobiography, while you are at it.
@barefootwits I've read Uncle Tom's Cabin two or three times. It's a fantastic book. President Lincoln half-jokingly said to H.B. Stowe "So you're the little lady who started this war?" The slave owners in the book were NOT Christians, and Stowe's characters were a representation of true slavery in the south.
Without question Christianity had the greatest impact in the abolition of the slave trade. You have no idea what you're talking about, and you simply cannot contradict that.
@aThinkingChristian SLAVES ESCAPING FROM THEIR CAPTIVISM CAUSED THE NATION TO TAKE NOTICE OF THEM AND GIVE THEM THEIR RIGHTS. White people who OWNED slaves weren't just like, "Oh, yes, I think we'll give them freedom."
@barefootwits First of all, escaped slaves were the VAST minority of the black population. Second, they didn't change the laws while they were slaves. You said the slaves changed the laws. They didn't. MOST of those who abolished slavery were CHRISTIANS. Including men like Frederick Douglas, who was a CHRISTIAN as well as a former slave. Slavery in England was abolished through the efforts of A CHRISTIAN, William Wilberforce.
@barefootwits Also, I said nothing about the Constitution. You did. So you need to get your facts straight and understand where you're coming from.
You can claim all you want that "theologists" (I think you mean theologians) have disproved verses like Leviticus 18:22, but I can give you a dozen that agree with my interpretation for every one who agrees with yours.
You should make sure you understand what you're talking about before you just post stuff.
@aThinkingChristian You were the one speaking about the Founding Fathers, actually. You need to go back and read your comments, and again, try not to contradict yourself so many times.
"Theologists" is a word. Go look it up. Same term. Ooh, you tried to use the dictionary against me. Maybe you should go read that, too. I bet you all of those people that you would site run institutes like Westboro church. They aren't credible, just assholes.
@barefootwits Yes, I did. But I said nothing about the Constitution. YOU did. Let's just get the facts straight.
Westboro church? LOL!! Boy, your true colors are beginning to show. Any more labels you want to add on since you're on a roll? (And, PLEASE, at least be consistent going forward and don't claim to be "tolerant." You're not.)
@aThinkingChristian The Founding Fathers wrote the Constitution, and the Constitution made up our government, NOT the fact that the Founding Fathers existed. Please get that fact straight and READ the thing.
You're a bigot. End of. The people at Westboro Chruch are as well, and I'm sure people like you LOVE to just ignore that and actually support them. LOL, your true colours are showing.
@barefootwits You're making no sense now. LOL. Are you sure you want to continue this about America's founding? I have the Constitution open right next to me. When was the last time you read it?
Where did I say I supported Westboro? YOU made that claim about me. Why are you putting lying words in my mouth? That's pretty dishonest.
"Our laws and our institutions must necessarily be based upon and embody the teachings of the Redeemer of mankind. It is impossible that it should be otherwise. In this sense and to this extent, our civilizations and our institutions are emphatically Christian." -- Richmond v. Moore, Illinois Supreme Court, 1883
And your claim again was? Careful! I can give you many, more. You SURE you want to go down this road?
@aThinkingChristian You gave a couple hours of your small life to spread bigotry and small-mindedness due to a sad interpretation of a book that you clearly couldn't use properly.
"It's ironic that you keep telling me to read the Bible, when it's clear that you have not done so yourself, but imagine yourself to be an authority on it. Why not take your own advice & read it yourself to find truth?" I hope you actually were speaking to yourself when you wrote this.
@aThinkingChristian Really glad more ignorant postings on here are going to end. And glad that other people can at least learn from this discussion, since you want to continue living in your ignorance.
@barefootwits It is my prayer that every person watching this video will read every comment carefully & repent of their rebellion against God & turn to Jesus Christ for salvation. That's Bible. Let the reader beware. Judgment day is coming. Don't stand before God in your sins. Repent & trust what Jesus before it's too late.
"He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him." -Jesus Christ
@aThinkingChristian I really hope that everyone reading these comments notes that this person wasn't able to actually quote the Bible to back up his argument without the things that he said being torn apart by reason. Please carefully consider what you take out of the Bible and where it really came from. (Ages ago, written by men.) This person clearly was on here just so he could spread his blind faith, which is not ok. Again, they missed the freedom of religion bit.
@aThinkingChristian And I also like how you ignored everything I said about the other sins in the Bible and how you very clearly pick-and-choose them and don't acknowledge they exist. You very clearly aren't ready to admit to yourself that, according to your book, you sin every single day.
@barefootwits Whoa! Other sins? Tell me, WHO were those things said to? Christians? Explain it, please.
Oh, I sin every day, and I never claimed not to. So do you. But the difference between you and me is that Jesus Christ has forgiven me, because I came to Him ON HIS TERMS, and he saved me and washed my sins away. Based on your own words you have never done that, so you are yet in your sins. But I'm no better than you. I'm just forgiven. You can be, too, but on HIS TERMS.
@aThinkingChristian The BIBLE says that you cannot eat shellfish or wear clothing made of two or more threads or planting two herbs in the same garden. If you are truly a Christian, how can you even ask where the Bible talks about acceptance? If you don't KNOW the MOST of it talks about acceptance, you should think of a word other than "Christian" to describe yourself. I came to Jesus on my own terms and I'm pretty sure he would be
@barefootwits No it doesn't. I'm not a Jew living 3,000 years ago when that was written. You need to understand that not everything in the Bible is written for every person. There are dispensations (time separations). Jesus said nothing about these things. Paul said nothing about these things. I'm not Jewish. But, see? You don't know what you're talking about.
Oh, I DO know where the Bible talks about acceptance. I want YOU to show me that you know, since you brought it up.
@aThinkingChristian "Not everything in the Bible is written for every person." So you're disclaiming the Bible? You're saying that certain parts of it don't apply, even though it's the word of God that has no error, as you claimed earlier? That's new. Do you know what you're talking about? Obviously... no.
I've already shown you. You're just being too ignorant to face that I have.
@aThinkingChristian Um, no. If God created the Bible to lead people to him, it stands to reason that the Bible is there for the use of EVERYONE. You're stating that it isn't, or doesn't apply to everyone. Why? Because the Bible condemns women and slavery? Are women and descendants of slaves the people that it doesn't apply to? Maybe you DID actually read the Bible.
Birth only pertains to WOMEN. Your logic is rather silly.
@barefootwits The Bible is for everyone, but not every single verse applies to every single person. There are verses written to specific people groups; to men, to women, to children, etc. See? This is where your ignorance is really showing. Arguments like this make you look really bad.
@aThinkingChristian Every single verse, though, you said, was not in error. And if the Bible is for everyone, then every verse should apply to everyone who reads it. Otherwise, it clearly ISN'T for everyone. Children become adults. Are you saying that the verses that applied to them when they were children should no longer to taken heed to because they are now adults? This is where your ignorance has just exploded. You look pretty terrible.
@barefootwits Here we go again. Error=imperfect. A verse directed to children (Ephesians 6:1, for example) is not imperfect because it also doesn't apply to old men. It simply applies to children, but the truth of the verse is perfect. I'm not sure where the breakdown is here in your reasoning. You're trying to compare apples to oranges.
@aThinkingChristian You're trying to disclaim something that you've already stated as fact and I'm pointing it out to you, is all. And you're floundering. I'm pretty sure "children" can be seen as ANYONE, because all people were children at one time. Say you have a 20 year-old person. Not a "child" anymore, but they still have parents. But that verse doesn't apply to them, because they aren't a child anymore.
@aThinkingChristian Oh, what, you mean like the verses telling men that they rule over women and that their wives are equal to livestock and that if they want more wives, they can have them? Those verses? Well, sure.
@barefootwits You won't find any verses in the Bible that tell men to "lord it over" a woman. But there is a chain of command and God put the husband at the head. If you don't like that, so be it. Take it up with God. Every corporation in the world knows that there has to be ONE head. Otherwise there is confusion. The plethora of broken marriages in this nation is proof that your way doesn't work, and you'll be hard pressed to prove otherwise.
This thing shouldn't be forced on little girls ;it seems a little "rape-y" to me, like they're being led into a trap of some kind. Maybe we're all trapped in a false idea of what's right & wrong, for instance. Look at the history books, you can find examples where whole countries were misled by evil leaders, and kids were telling parents what was wrong about what was going on because they are born not knowing anything,but have an innate sense of right & wrong, just like Taylor.
finishstrongdoc 2 weeks ago
I find it funny that people use mediums like a comment section in order to argue pointless debates. :D Not the reason I wanted to comment though! I wanted to say thank you for your concise and wonderfully thought out video response. You made some excellent points, the most important of these being the message tolerance and acceptance. (In my opinion, of course.) Thanks for taking the time to post your video. You did a great job. :)
HourgIass 1 month ago 2
A thinking christian = oxymoron. LOL
@zooftra - Great vid and great points. I'm selling lots of cookies for my daughter!
hzryr61 1 month ago
@zooftra @zooftra I am with you on your video 100% you are right on the mark and I am a Trans person Male to Female. I do believe a lot of these transexuals out there they actually do think in their head they were born female sad part is we have a pair of balls downstairs. BTW I am Male to female and I agree with you. that girl scout is twisted in the head!
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pedrinpablo007 1 month ago
I don't even need to post in response to @aThinkingChristian anymore. It is clear they have no historical, medical, or biblical understanding and no facts to give us.
barefootwits 1 month ago 3
Really, all that @aThinkingChristian (when they are actually an IgnorantChristian) is posting is Biblical untruths and he's basically showing us all what we are up against. The kind of ignorance that comes from the Bible is now all over this page, and we can stand up against it. This person has been discredited, contradicted, and just proven wrong and refuses to accept it. Ignorance and denial.
barefootwits 1 month ago
girl scout cookies? I think you've had enough
yoshee408 1 month ago
I tried changing the quality and setting on youtube, but I still see a blob in the video.
Bob1128 1 month ago
@Bob1128 Don't adjust your set. And sweet Jesus, whatever you do, don't watch this video in 1080p 3-D.
lizard944 1 month ago
/watch?v=TD41W5mIWmY this is where comments and rates are welcome
SaoirseSweet 1 month ago
gastric bypass
Cronicwisdom 1 month ago
@Cronicwisdom HAHAHA. Stapled lips? Concentration Camp? Shock therapy? I'm not sure there is anything to combat that level of obesity...
lizard944 1 month ago
@lizard944 I could come up with some scathing, intelligent reply, but instead I think I'll just call you a motherfucking douchebag who I hope mistakes a crowbar for their dildo.
1013avalancha 1 month ago
@1013avalancha Wow! Hard to get happy after that one!
lizard944 1 month ago
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@lizard944 I could come up with some scathing, intelligent reply, but instead I think I'll just call you a motherfucking douchebag who I hope mistakes a crowbar for their dildo.
1013avalancha 1 month ago
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@lizard944 I could come up with some scathing, intelligent reply, but instead I think I'll just call you a motherfucking douche bag who I hope mistakes a crowbar for their dildo.
1013avalancha 1 month ago
Riddle of the day: If a person is born with female anatomy, yet identifies as male, can (he) get into the Girl Scouts????
lizard944 1 month ago
The only reason the GSA are caving is because of fear of a lawsuit. The video poster doesn't identify whether it is male or female, but I've found that the people who support the idea of transgender are mostly young, impressionable adults who could be sold a bill of goods on just about anything. If I didn't have a conscience, I'd be selling magic beans to them. The other supporters are the dregs of society who can't get their shit together to save their lives.
lizard944 1 month ago
@lizard944 You've already been discredited on the comments of several other videos upon this topic. I enjoy that once your argument fails in one place, you just move on to another because you think you'll be able to win with your ignorance somewhere else. Wrong. You are still bigoted.
barefootwits 1 month ago
@barefootwits You're right! I'm busted. Ok, do whatever you want. By the way, how's that thing going with the transgendered Patricia Dye? The 31 y/o woman who was posing as a boy in order to molest girls/women?
lizard944 1 month ago
@lizard944 Yeah, "posing as a boy." So she wasn't transgender, just a sick jerk who can join your little ignorant circle.
barefootwits 1 month ago
Thank you so much for your support and understanding. I don't think her boycott will get very far, thanks to the efforts of people like you.
Peace and hugs,
Cynthia
Cyntillation01 1 month ago
COOKIES
myplaceintime 1 month ago
are you serious !!!!! well how do we tell what kind of dog we have or not ? It has balls but likes to chew on pink toys soooo ...instead of calling him Fido I now must call him (her) FiFi .............what a joke woman. You know what I was a Brownie , Girlscout .... This is messed up . dont knock on my door keep ur dam cookies
kitty5439 1 month ago
love you hon! great to have allies amidst all the douchebagery
fumala420 1 month ago
you ate all the cookies so they won't let pigs in
SMOKING5STRING 1 month ago
Brilliant, educated, compassionate and thoughtful. Thank you for sharing this!
MAHarmon1 1 month ago
Well said. This mom of 2 Girl Scouts applauds you!
mysidrs 1 month ago
You look like you need to avoid girl scout cookies lady.
Haibai886 1 month ago
@Haibai886 Her size directly affects or offends you, how? And how do you know she doesn't have any sort of medical condition or isn't stuck in a wheelchair, unable to exercise?
pulseofmidnight21 1 month ago
I dont believe that gender is found between your ears. It doesnt make me a nut or stupid. It is simply a dissagreement. With this presupposition I will obviously come to a differnt conclusion concerning transgenders. There is no malice, I just dissagree with you. Isnt it great that folks can have different opinions.
diggerblue2002 1 month ago
@diggerblue2002 What do you call me then, for having an incredibly obvious female body and the mind of a boy? I'm just wondering because I want to understand your thought pattern better. Not trying to change your mind here.
pulseofmidnight21 1 month ago
I am happy to say, that I am allowed in the women's changing rooms despite being born without a vagina. I also like to tell you, that I did go to a camp last summer with only one public shower. Since no one knew I am traansgender I was very afraid to use the shower. Fortunately to my surprise I only received comments such as "Pardon me, are you being rebuild?" and everyone continued to accept me as a woman. It does work out fine.
TenderGenderBender 1 month ago 6
@TenderGenderBender It makes me happy that you have been received so well. :) I'm hopeful that in the future, it will continue and more people can live the life that they deserve.
zooftra 1 month ago
hey, i found your video!! :) yaaaaayyyyy
cbogart11 1 month ago
Just food for thought: Do any of you consciously remember when you decided to be cis-gendered? (I'm assuming most of the people that need to consider this are biologically male here; if you're not, my apologies) Do you remember when you made the decision to act like a male? You probably don't because it's not a conscious decision.
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She was brave to talk out about this crazy direction of the Girl Scouts... Only the dead go down the stream, only the living can swim against the current... No Girl Scout Cookies for a while...
Yankeegator 1 month ago
So an honest question... Since gender is "between the ears" (as they say), would you have a problem taking a shower, in a community camp setting, for example, with a boy who thinks he's a girl? Or getting dressed in the morning with the "girl" in the same room? If you're going to be consistent with your logic you will have to answer that you don't see anything wrong with those things, since body anatomy is irrelevant to this issue. Is that what you believe?
aThinkingChristian 1 month ago
@aThinkingChristian Thanks for your question. I actually wouldn't mind, though I think that has more to do with not feeling shame or revulsion towards sex and bodies than transgendered issues. I would feel comfortable changing in front of most of my cisgendered (male in a male body) male friends. If i had a daughter in this situation, I would explain to her that the other child's body might look different than hers, but they are a human being too and that is what matters most.
zooftra 1 month ago
@zooftra "male in a male body" - LOL.
What about 'cat in a male body', or 'dog in a human body'. You idiot. Nobody is buying your self-obsessed 'look at me' insanity.
Of course you wouldn't mind getting changed in front of either sex, look at you! I think THEY would mind though...
packoftwenty 1 month ago
@zooftra Ok, so what then defines "girl" or "boy"? And do you understand that no matter how hard one tries to blur the lines between them that there still are unavoidable differences between the two?
I heard years ago about women who demanded the right to go topless in public like men do. That's insane, because of the unavoidable differences I mentioned above. A woman may feel "free" if shirtless in public, but she sure isn't safe. God made male and female, and differences should be respected.
aThinkingChristian 1 month ago
@aThinkingChristian There are unavoidable differences in bodies. But gender is between the ears, and that does have a blurry line.
Why shouldn't a topless woman feel safe in public? I understand that she wouldn't be right now, because of how people feel. But really, breasts are not a magical item that will cause death and destruction of left uncovered.
I am not religious, and i do not necessarily feel that the bible is the best source for how to live, which is a difference between us.
zooftra 1 month ago
@zooftra The reason a woman should feel threatened if topless in public is because of the way God made men. God made men to be attracted to things with their eyes, and not with their emotions (like most women). I know that's a stereotype, but the exceptions prove the rule. If women were allowed to go topless rape would skyrocket. As a woman I don't expect you to understand that statement, but as a man, I can promise you it would be so. And that has nothing to do with religion, etc.
aThinkingChristian 1 month ago
@aThinkingChristian wow. Well, I can see that any more conversation with you won't get very far, since I am a woman and apparently that means I'm dumber than you. We are very different people, with obviously very different viewpoints. I respect your right to hold yours, but I don't think either of us will change the other one's mind.
zooftra 1 month ago
@zooftra Dummer than me? LOL! Where in the world do you get that idea? You've completely missed the point. I simply stated that men and women think differently towards the opposite sex, and I think that's a pretty scientific reality, as well as a biblical reality, since God made us. I never said or implied that are dumb. Be careful about reading more into something than is there.
aThinkingChristian 1 month ago 2
@aThinkingChristian Maybe you need to read into things MORE. If your supposed 'god' made us all, then it was 'him' who also designed all the chemical balances in our physiology that dictates our thought patterns and behavior. Trans people's minds are the way they are because they were exposed to different levels of androgens in the womb. I certainly can't help that I have a boy's mind and female body.
pulseofmidnight21 1 month ago
@aThinkingChristian I find it funny that all of the rapes I've heard about the women were fully clothed....be it a mini skirt and a halter top they were wearing or jeans and a turtle neck....
sauceytexan 1 month ago
@sauceytexan You find funny that fully-clothed women were raped? I find nothing funny about rape no matter how it happens.
aThinkingChristian 1 month ago
@aThinkingChristian This is not something I would expect from a "Thinking" Christian. "If women were allowed to go topless rape would skyrocket." Are you not aware that Adam and Eve were naked? If rape has not "sky rocketed" with the obvious presence of Drugs, alcohol and pornography then why in the world would rape increase because of bare boobs? That is ridiculous.
SacramentoRealtor 1 month ago
@SacramentoRealtor Adam and Eve were naked in Eden, but were not ashamed of it BEFORE THEIR REBELLION AGAINST GOD. Once they sinned the Bible says they knew they were naked and were ashamed. And then GOD clothed them.
If you're going to attempt to use the Bible in your argument, please keep it in context. Because it in no way supports your argument here.
aThinkingChristian 1 month ago
@zooftra As for the Bible, I do believe it is the perfect guide for all of humanity. How negligent would God be if he allowed us birth and then expected us to find out the truths of life without any guide? If I did that with my children the government would take them away from me. But when it comes to God, we imagine that we can live any way we want to without regard to his laws and will for us. We have a free will, but decisions have consequences: good and bad.
aThinkingChristian 1 month ago
@zooftra Gender is between the legs, not the ears. If you really believe the latter, you need to take a sex education class - pronto!
Parents need to think long and hard before they entertain their children's fantasies. A 7-year-old BOY should not be allowed to dress like a girl.
He should be afforded every opportunity to live as "normal" a life as possible.
And before you play the gay-card, I am a homosexual.
AlfredHaynesLive 1 month ago
@AlfredHaynesLive I am currently attending an honors university, where I have taken multiple gender studies classes, as well as a class entitled "Human Sexuality"
Trust me when i say, gender is between the ears.
I feel no need to play the gay card. homosexuality is not the same as transgenderedness. Perhaps a normal life for the aforementioned child IS to live as a girl.
zooftra 1 month ago 3
@zooftra Then "she" will have to live the life of anyone with a disability. If you are blind, you cannot become a truck driver. Deal with it.
lizard944 1 month ago
@lizard944 If you are blind, you get whatever medical treatment you can to fix it, and if you're successful, you can damn well become a truck driver if you want.
venusbrain 1 month ago
@venusbrain I said "B-L-I-N-D" dipshit. There is no cure for congenital blindness. I'm talking blind, like Stevie Wonder blind.
lizard944 1 month ago
@lizard944 Many congenital blindnesses can be cured. It all depends on what congenital disease caused it. The point is that if you can do something about a medical problem, you should, and when you're done fixing it, you have every right to do the things you're capable of. Gender Identity Disorder can be fixed, and that's what Bobbie's parents are doing.
venusbrain 1 month ago
@AlfredHaynesLive If you're really a homosexual, you're a disgusting hypocrit because you're using the same stupid argumentum ad hominem that homophobes use.
venusbrain 1 month ago
@aThinkingChristian She's only not safe because of the way her sex was forced to act in earlier years, which has made breasts seem incredibly taboo in public, which in turn makes them more arousing because they're 'forbidden fruit'. Go to some places in Europe and check out how it doesn't matter so much there because they've remained fairly open.
pulseofmidnight21 1 month ago
@pulseofmidnight21 I'm sorry, but as I've already tried to state, you don't have the mind of a male (even though you think you do). There is nothing "taboo" with breasts. They are arguably the most beautiful part of a woman's body. God made them that way to attract the opposite sex. When Adam & Eve rebelled against God in Eden & knew they were naked, GOD put clothes on them. God never intended for humans to walk around naked like animals. We are not animals, we are humans created in God's image.
aThinkingChristian 1 month ago
@aThinkingChristian So you're basically saying tha
barefootwits 1 month ago
@aThinkingChristian So you're basically saying ha
barefootwits 1 month ago
@aThinkingChristian So you're basically saying that God made women for their boobs. Mm, you're kind of a pig. If God made no mistakes, then I'm sure it isn't a mistake that he provided people with logic to help transgender individuals that he also created. You use the Bible for seriously stupid reasons, if this is what you think comes out of it.
barefootwits 1 month ago
@barefootwits Whoa! LOL. No, I don't believe any such thing. And, no offense, but there is no way anyone who's reading what I've written could come to such a conclusion that you have.
Do you have a bias against people who use the Bible? If so, may I ask where you got it from? Do you believe in God? If so, what does he want for YOUR life?
aThinkingChristian 1 month ago
@aThinkingChristian You did basically imply it. I do believe in God and I'm pretty sure he wants me to be happy and not lie to myself or others about who he made me as. I don't have a bias against people who use the Bible with the words that it actually says, but I don't enjoy when people so blatantly misinterpret it and use it to slander other people and cause them shame for being something that they were created as. Go ahead and tell me what you think the Bible says.
barefootwits 1 month ago
@barefootwits Why would any reasonable person claim that God made women for their boobs? I mean, seriously? If you know any history at all, you know that it's Christianity that has been the haven for women's rights. Why, then, would a Christian (me) bring the role of woman down to such a base level?
So I ask you, what does the Bible "actually say"? Can you show me in the Bible where it says that God wants you to be happy?
aThinkingChristian 1 month ago
@aThinkingChristian YOU were making the argument that God made women to have boobs and stated that they are "arguably the most attractive part of a woman." If you knew ANYTHING about the Bible, you would really know that more feminists reject the Bible because it was used to condemn their equal rights to men, as well as spread segregation. Can you show me in the Bible where it says that God doesn't want people to love each other? Pretty sure love makes people happy.
barefootwits 1 month ago
@barefootwits Yes I did, and they are. And the Bible has much to say about them (Proverbs 5:19).
Can you cite a historical instance where the Bible was used to "condemn their equal rights to men"? How about for segregation? Can you show me a verse in the Bible that supports segregation?
You have a limited understanding of love. True love is not accepting everyone for who they are. Not every lifestyle has validity. True love is loving in light of GOD'S word and worldview.
aThinkingChristian 1 month ago
@aThinkingChristian The fact that men used the verse like 1Timothy 2:11-15 to tell women that they didn't deserve equal rights is right in front of you. People are gaining ignorance and hatred from a book that is supposed to teach them NOT to display those things. You have a weird perception of what "love" means and what Jesus taught about it. Jesus hung out with liars, thieves, and whores and LOVED them and taught them to love themselves. Hm.
barefootwits 1 month ago
@barefootwits But is that what 1 Tim. 2:11-15 is saying? Do you understand that the freedoms you enjoy in this nation as a women comes from the Christianity that founded this nation? Perhaps you can show me in history an instance where America's leaders used the Bible as you claim to suppress women's rights. Can you?
Jesus taught sinners to love themselves? Quote him.
aThinkingChristian 1 month ago
@aThinkingChristian Please, go learn some HISTORY now. This country wasn't founded on Christian basis whatsoever. It was founded on the hope for people to practice FREEDOM OF RELIGION. Meaning ALL religions. Do you seriously not understand how demeaning the Bible is to women and people who weren't white males in higher class society. (It even demeans tax collectors. Really.) The whole movement against women's rights was an instance in which the men
barefootwits 1 month ago
@barefootwits ""The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity." -President John Adams, Founding Father and 2nd President of the United States
Say again?
I'll ask you again, show me a verse in the Bible where it's (truly) demeaning to women and people who weren't white males. As a matter of fact, can you show me ANY WHITE MALES in the Bible?
aThinkingChristian 1 month ago
@aThinkingChristian And yet. Still, not ALL the founding fathers were Christian and the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution stress freedom of religion. Huh. I think that explains that enough. Christianity didn't have anything to do with the founding of this country.
You need to go read your book and find where it talks about slavery all over what Moses wrote. The Bible says that a woman giving birth is unclean in Leviticus 12: 1-8.
barefootwits 1 month ago
@aThinkingChristian Look at Numbers 5:11-31. It says that women's bodies were not their own. Men could divorce their wives on a whim. Deuteronomy 24:1-4. Keep trying to suggest these verses aren't suppressive of women. I'm sure a few women would smack you for it.
barefootwits 1 month ago
@aThinkingChristian in this country used the Bible to suppress women. If you don't think so, then you're just a lost cause.
Jesus taught everyone to love. He taught them that their lives were worth HIS life. I don't have to quote him. I just have to remind you of the image of the cross and that's all there is to that argument.
barefootwits 1 month ago
@barefootwits But if you can't quote Jesus to support your claims, then how can you say he is in agreement with your lifestyle? We have his words in the Bible. You claimed these things about him. I'm just asking you to prove it. Can you do that?
If you can't (and I will tell you that you can't), then shouldn't you have the character to go back to the Bible to see what it REALLY says, instead of what you IMAGINE it to say? Seriously.
aThinkingChristian 1 month ago
@aThinkingChristian If you think that Jesus didn't teach about love, go and read John 3:16. PLEASE. Read it. Jesus never said one thing about homosexuality or anything relating to it. I wonder why. Because he loved and accepted everyone and wanted them to know God.
I can prove that you are using the Bible for judgement and ignorance (and have, already. Done.) I think that means you should go and look at it once more, because you IMAGINE a shit ton about it.
barefootwits 1 month ago
@barefootwits I never said Jesus didn't teach about love. YOU claimed that he taught a message of acceptance. I asked you to prove that. Can you?
Let's look at John 3:16: "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
Ok, what does "believing in him" mean? WHO gets "everlasting life"?
aThinkingChristian 1 month ago
@aThinkingChristian Love is a huge term that includes acceptance. It's a definition. In fact, I'm sure if you looked up the word "love," "acceptance" would by a synonym for it. It is. (And I didn't need to Bible to know that. Wow.)
Believing in Jesus meant just that. That he died for our sins and made us clean. We all get everlasting life because he died for ALL of us.
barefootwits 1 month ago
@barefootwits No! God/Jesus is also 100% JUST, and love without justice is not love at all. The very fact that you imagine that Jesus' death gives you license to live however you choose shows just how much you DON'T know about Him or the Bible. You won't find that thinking anywhere in the Bible.
Yes, Jesus died for all of humanity. BUT, he expects them to repent of their rebellion against him and humbly turn to him for salvation, based on HIS merits, not theirs. THEN eternal life.
aThinkingChristian 1 month ago
@aThinkingChristian JUSTICE. You talk about condemning people for being the people that God made them justice. You have a very screwed up sense of the Bible and the term "love." Jesus's death gave me license to live. Period. And he loves me no matter how I live. We get eternal life because he died for us. He expects us to use all of our potential and spread the love that he did.
barefootwits 1 month ago
@barefootwits No! Jesus' death gave you an open door to be reconciled to your Creator. You & I were born in sin (Romans 5). We deserve hell for our rebellion against God. (Jesus spoke about hell more than he did love.) And you're using very twisted logic to imagine that God puts his stamp of approval on any lifestyle you choose to live. No he does not, and one day you will give an account for the deeds you committed (Romans 2).
Your message in only in your head, not in the Bible.
aThinkingChristian 1 month ago
@aThinkingChristian Jesus's death meant that everyone, EVERYONE was saved and could know God. You need to seriously read John 3:16. God gave his son for everyone. Not just ignorant people like you. Jesus actually only mentioned hell a handful of times. The word "hell" shows up in the Bible loads, yes, but not in the words of Jesus. You're confused. Love, on the other hand. Jesus's love was pretty outstanding, and he shared it. Your head is turned around.
barefootwits 1 month ago
@barefootwits If everyone is saved then who is in the hell Jesus spoke so much about?
Hitler was saved? He's "everyone," right? You sure you want to use that logic?
aThinkingChristian 1 month ago
@aThinkingChristian Oh, we're going on to speak about Hitler now? Seriously? A man that did something drastically bad, yes, but not the only man in the world to ever do so, and still a man who falls under what Jesus said about being saved, that Jesus still died for him. You sure you want to use this argument, because it's a pretty awful one.
barefootwits 1 month ago
@barefootwits Oh, yes, I want to use this argument. Are you claiming Hitler is in heaven today, and that Jesus saved him? Are you claiming he's the only man who took the lives of thousands of innocent people? Let's talk about it. Back to you.
aThinkingChristian 1 month ago
@aThinkingChristian I definitely said that Hitler WASN'T the only man who committed atrocities, yet he's the only person that you're bringing up in this argument, instead of several other names of people that I'm sure you would think are also in hell. And regardless of whether or not a person is in hell, that doesn't mean Jesus and God didn't love them. Are you saying they didn't?
barefootwits 1 month ago
@barefootwits I never said that God didn't love them. But that love stops at the grave. They had their chance to be saved and they rejected it. So they condemn themselves to hell. There is no love there, or God is love and God is not there. But they certainly did not benefit from the love of Jesus, or his death on the cross, because they did not yield to him on HIS TERMS. The same will be said of you if you do not yield.
aThinkingChristian 1 month ago
@aThinkingChristian God doesn't continue loving all of the people that he created even after they died? Even after creating them so carefully in his image? No way. God is there by just the fact that they were made in his image and made by him. In that way, they are part of God's creation, and so God is there. The love of Jesus reaches to all, and I have it. You don't know about my relationship with Jesus. It's pretty tight.
barefootwits 1 month ago
@barefootwits You can make any claim you want, but when pressed for solid proof you can't give anything beyond your own head. I'm sorry, but that doesn't float for anyone. For your faith to be legitimate it has to be grounded in truth and something outside yourself. Unfortunately, what you've described is only in you. It's not found in any authoritative writings on earth.
aThinkingChristian 1 month ago
@aThinkingChristian I've obviously given verses and facts about the Bible. That's pretty much stuff out there for anyone to find that I didn't just make up. Your argument that it's all my head is pretty much proven wrong by our whole discussion. The truth is that you believe in a book. I believe in Jesus. And there is a difference in that. I don't spread hatred and ignorance.
barefootwits 1 month ago
The problem with your argument is that the Jesus you claim to believe in is TOTALLY TIED IN WITH THAT BOOK. You can't separate them, because outside of the Bible you know nothing about him. You wouldn't even know he existed. So if you take Jesus you take the Bible. If you reject the Bible, you reject Jesus. You know this is true, so there's not much more I can say.
I gotta go. Oh, if you only knew the beauty of true salvation in Christ! I pray God opens your eyes.
aThinkingChristian 1 month ago
@aThinkingChristian Again, the Bible is not the only proof of Jesus and the men who wrote the Bible wrote other things that are still beings studied and meticulously examined. Proof of Jesus is in those. Not just your book. And history is passed down by PEOPLE. There's really not much more that I can say, other than READ your book. Understand that you're misinterpreting. Try to open your heart to acceptance like God planned for you. I'll pray for that.
barefootwits 1 month ago
@barefootwits Look, I gave you a couple of hours of my life. To try and win a debate? No. But to try and tell you that there is peace with God, but only on HIS terms. That is what the Bible teaches, that is what you will be judged by when you take your last breath.
It's ironic that you keep telling me to read the Bible, when it's clear that you have not done so yourself, but imagine yourself to be an authority on it. Why not take your own advice & read it yourself to find truth?
aThinkingChristian 1 month ago
@aThinkingChristian You gave a couple hours of your life to spread bigotry and small-mindedness due to a sad interpretation of a book tha
barefootwits 1 month ago
@barefootwits Ok. But never forget Romans 2:5-6, where Paul said (under the inspiration of God): "But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; Who will render to every man according to his deeds."
It's easy to sit behind a keyboard and make claims. But judgment day will be a different matter. I pray you will open your eyes to truth and put away the self-deception.
aThinkingChristian 1 month ago
@aThinkingChristian Where PAUL said, under his own interpretations because he was HUMAN. You don't get to heaven by doing good deeds, and if you believe that, then you seriously haven't read much of your book at all.
It IS easy to sit behind a computer and make claims about a book that you have gained only ignorance from. I wonder why other people don't believe in the Bible. Probably because it's a book that has made you a bigot and they know better.
barefootwits 1 month ago
@barefootwits No, but good deeds PROVE that one is a believer. Read James, chapter 2. Talk is cheap. Actions speak louder than words. You say you're a Christian? Prove it.
A lot of other people believe the Bible to be the word of God. More than you know. They are the only thing holding this nation together. Take them out and it all goes to dust.
aThinkingChristian 1 month ago
@aThinkingChristian Good deeds don't prove that someone is a believer. You're basically saying that people should do good deeds to prove that they are Christian, and that makes those good deeds selfish, because those people would then only be doing them to benefit themselves. See how that works? It doesn't. I've proven I'm a Christian by stating my love of Jesus, which is what the Bible says is all you have to do to be received in heaven.
barefootwits 1 month ago
@barefootwits (Sigh.) Ok, let me simplify here. I SAY I love my wife. How would anyone know I really do?
Quote the Bible where it says that all you have to do is love Jesus to be received into heaven. Go ahead. I'll be waiting.
aThinkingChristian 1 month ago
@aThinkingChristian They wouldn't. You can do one action but several more to negate that. I'm sure you've shown your wife at times that you DON'T love her or respect her enough. (Everyone does. Don't even try to say you haven't. I'll only have myself a right laugh.)
John 3:16 is where it tells you that Jesus died for you and that if you receive him, you'll go to heaven. There you go. Didn't have to wait long.
barefootwits 1 month ago
@barefootwits You're illogical. Love is demonstration by action. That's pretty simple.
John 3:16 says that if YOU love Jesus you'll go to heaven? You sure about that? Maybe it's been a while since you're read it?
aThinkingChristian 1 month ago
@aThinkingChristian Right. So you wouldn't claim that your father loves you, because he did all of those horrible things to you and your sister, right? That's pretty simple, I guess.
John 3:16 tells people about the love that Jesus had for them and that that is why he died, FOR HIS LOVE OF THEM. And it goes on to state that if you know Jesus died for you, you will go to heaven. Maybe you're stuck in your sad interpretation of it.
barefootwits 1 month ago
@barefootwits My father proved his LACK of love for me BY HIS ACTIONS (works). He and I have a good relationship now. He says he loves me and he SHOWS that love BY HIS ACTIONS. (This is pretty silly and simple. How can you not get this?)
You claimed that the Bible says that if you love Jesus you'll go to heaven. The Bible says no such thing. John 3:16 describes HIS LOVE, not yours. It also says you have to BELIEVE, and belief requires REPENTANCE and coming to God on HIS TERMS.
aThinkingChristian 1 month ago
@barefootwits Jesus said, "If you love me, keep my commandments." (John 14:15)
Do you know what those commandments are? If not, how can you claim to love him?
aThinkingChristian 1 month ago
@aThinkingChristian You obviously don't know those commandments, and again, you've probably broken several of them yourself, including "Do no lie." Which, since all you've been posting is slander about the Bible, shows that you've broken that one. Shame on you.
barefootwits 1 month ago
@barefootwits Well, I have not lied at all during these discussions. But have I lied in the past? Sure. So have you. What does that make you? A liar. That's a sin. How are you doing to get rid of that before you stand before God?
aThinkingChristian 1 month ago
@aThinkingChristian I haven't lied during these discussions. I've stated facts. You've stated slander. Slander = falsehoods. Pretty sure that's lying. How are you going to face God now? The same way you would, because you believe in Jesus, and that means you have been SAVED.
barefootwits 1 month ago
@barefootwits Amazing! That's all I can say. LOL. Your list of names for me is growing (i.e. slander) and I've called you none. But I'M slandering? LOL. Amazing.
aThinkingChristian 1 month ago
@aThinkingChristian I pray you can stop trying to deceive other people and will stop trying to push beliefs on them that are small-minded and don't actually come from anywhere but the heads of people misinterpreting what they read from an ancient book.
barefootwits 1 month ago
@barefootwits What benefit could I possibly receive by deceiving other people? I don't get paid for this. LOL.
Sorry, but you're wrong. What I've posted has been entirely consistent with the Scriptures, which I have been studying longer than you've been alive. You have yet to prove anything I've quoted to be incorrect, and that is because you don't know the Bible yourself. But you will be judged from your adherence to it, so you really should learn what it says.
aThinkingChristian 1 month ago
@aThinkingChristian You're trying to get other people to agree with your ignorant ideas. LOL.
You've posted things that contradict yourself, like what you've stated about women's rights, slavery, the Constitution, and the scriptures that you have posted that I have been able to tell you that actual theologists have done more study on that you have and state that there are many ways to interpret them.
barefootwits 1 month ago
@barefootwits I'm sure you have been studying what your preacher and parents have told you about the Bible, and they've been studying that from their parents and teachers who were equally ignorant about what OTHER people like professionals and historians state about the Bible with actual research. I HAVE proved you to be incorrect, but that's the thing about ignorance. You hold onto it and refuse reason. You really don't know the Bible, and yeah, you should really learn about it.
barefootwits 1 month ago
@barefootwits My parents never once taught me the Bible. My father is still not a believer. And I led my mother to faith in Christ. I was a Christian before she was. So you don't know what you're talking about. I have a graduate degree in theology and plan to continue my studies. Believe me, the ignorance is not on this side of the keyboard.
aThinkingChristian 1 month ago
@aThinkingChristian Good, then your father believes some sense and I'm sure he would laugh over the things that you would be posting here. Funny, that. I hope your mother didn't actually learn "Christianity" from you. You know, your claim that religious people are all great. Religious people killed Jesus. Stating that you have all of these credentials when you can't prove it doesn't bolster your argument, they just show you have nothing left to argue.
barefootwits 1 month ago
@barefootwits My father drove his daughter into drug addiction through physical and verbal abuse. I received the same abuse. Had he been a Christian that would not have happened.
So what were you saying again?
aThinkingChristian 1 month ago
@aThinkingChristian Christians do horrible things ALL the time, so your point is moot. Go look at the people at Westboro Church and come back and try that argument again. You won't be able to.
You were saying?
barefootwits 1 month ago
@barefootwits All the time? LOL. Christians aren't perfect. Westboro church is NOT acting in a way that is Christian. Not at all. But because a church twists the Bible for their own selfish gain (something you've done, also, I might add), does not make Christianity wrong.
aThinkingChristian 1 month ago
@barefootwits Well, let's look at it again. I said it was Christianity that had the largest impact on the eradication of slavery. You disagreed and said it was the abolitionists and the slaves themselves. Did you think that through before you posted it? Most, if not all, abolitionists WERE CHRISTIANS! And the slaves themselves had zero rights. They didn't do a thing for their freedom when it came to changing the laws and national mindset. You gotta learn history, girl!
aThinkingChristian 1 month ago
@aThinkingChristian More people actually DON'T believe in the Bible than the people that do, and there is a reason. Because of people like YOU getting it wrong and being hypocritical. They are the thing actually pulling this nation apart, as you would see by them trying to separate LGBT people from others. Take them out and this nation would actually be alright.
barefootwits 1 month ago
@barefootwits Yeah, and what's ironic (and a historical fact) is that America was founded upon the Bible. Wow, I sure wish those Founding Fathers who build this great nation had you to help them see all the flaws and errors in the Bible. Oh, wait! America became a great nation because of it. Hmmm... Something doesn't line up. I guess I'll side with history.
aThinkingChristian 1 month ago
@aThinkingChristian And what's ironic (and that's an ACTUAL fact) is that you're making up your country's history. Please give us actual facts that say that America was founded upon Christianity. You won't find any and any that you do find are going to come from people like you and they'll be able to be proven wrong by people who know better. I guess I'll side with history AND common sense. America is a great nation because people proven the Bible wrong.
barefootwits 1 month ago
@barefootwits I already quote John Adams a long while back. You probably ignored that one, didn't you? Go back and read it before I waste my time and post more you won't read.
You're not interested in reality. You're interested only in arguing. Facts don't suit you very well.
aThinkingChristian 1 month ago
@aThinkingChristian Did you really think your comment through before posting it, because MOST SLAVE HOLDERS WERE CHRISTIANS. The slaves actually escaped to the North where they WERE free and HAD rights. Go do your history before you shove racism in here along with your bigotry. They fought for their own freedom. You can't ignore Martin Luther King, Jr. I'm sure Abe Lincoln would turn in his grave over your comments. Also, I've always been a boy. Add sexist to your list.
barefootwits 1 month ago
@barefootwits And the north wasn't full of Christians? And just where did those slaves find refuge? In the homes of atheists or LGBT people? And, no, most slave owners were NOT Christians.
But for you to say that the slaves gained freedom from their own efforts shows just how insanely ignorant you are of history. THEY HAD NO RIGHTS. NONE, ZIPPO, ZILCH. THEY WERE PROPERTY. What part of this don't you understand?
CHALLENGE: POST ONE INSTANCE WHERE SLAVES CHANGED SLAVES LAWS.
aThinkingChristian 1 month ago
@aThinkingChristian The north was full of Christians who ACCEPTED slaves and actually read about acceptance in the Bible. Most slave owners WERE Christian, and in fact, I'd like you to find me record of any that weren't. You probably can't, because MOST WERE. That's why the South is considered the "Bible Belt."
Slaves were property in the Bible too. What part of that don't you understand? The Bible said that having slaves was OK.
barefootwits 1 month ago
@barefootwits (Sigh.) Have you ever read Harriett Beecher Stowe's book "Uncle Tom's Cabin"? Go read that classic and you'll learn a thing or two about so-called Christian slave owners.
aThinkingChristian 1 month ago
@aThinkingChristian Really, go read it yourself. You'll see about all of those horrid things that those Christian slave owners did. Also, go read Frederick Douglas's Autobiography, while you are at it.
barefootwits 1 month ago
@barefootwits I've read Uncle Tom's Cabin two or three times. It's a fantastic book. President Lincoln half-jokingly said to H.B. Stowe "So you're the little lady who started this war?" The slave owners in the book were NOT Christians, and Stowe's characters were a representation of true slavery in the south.
Without question Christianity had the greatest impact in the abolition of the slave trade. You have no idea what you're talking about, and you simply cannot contradict that.
aThinkingChristian 1 month ago
@aThinkingChristian SLAVES ESCAPING FROM THEIR CAPTIVISM CAUSED THE NATION TO TAKE NOTICE OF THEM AND GIVE THEM THEIR RIGHTS. White people who OWNED slaves weren't just like, "Oh, yes, I think we'll give them freedom."
barefootwits 1 month ago
@barefootwits First of all, escaped slaves were the VAST minority of the black population. Second, they didn't change the laws while they were slaves. You said the slaves changed the laws. They didn't. MOST of those who abolished slavery were CHRISTIANS. Including men like Frederick Douglas, who was a CHRISTIAN as well as a former slave. Slavery in England was abolished through the efforts of A CHRISTIAN, William Wilberforce.
Better brush up on your history.
aThinkingChristian 1 month ago
@barefootwits Also, I said nothing about the Constitution. You did. So you need to get your facts straight and understand where you're coming from.
You can claim all you want that "theologists" (I think you mean theologians) have disproved verses like Leviticus 18:22, but I can give you a dozen that agree with my interpretation for every one who agrees with yours.
You should make sure you understand what you're talking about before you just post stuff.
aThinkingChristian 1 month ago
@aThinkingChristian You were the one speaking about the Founding Fathers, actually. You need to go back and read your comments, and again, try not to contradict yourself so many times.
"Theologists" is a word. Go look it up. Same term. Ooh, you tried to use the dictionary against me. Maybe you should go read that, too. I bet you all of those people that you would site run institutes like Westboro church. They aren't credible, just assholes.
barefootwits 1 month ago
@barefootwits Yes, I did. But I said nothing about the Constitution. YOU did. Let's just get the facts straight.
Westboro church? LOL!! Boy, your true colors are beginning to show. Any more labels you want to add on since you're on a roll? (And, PLEASE, at least be consistent going forward and don't claim to be "tolerant." You're not.)
aThinkingChristian 1 month ago
@aThinkingChristian The Founding Fathers wrote the Constitution, and the Constitution made up our government, NOT the fact that the Founding Fathers existed. Please get that fact straight and READ the thing.
You're a bigot. End of. The people at Westboro Chruch are as well, and I'm sure people like you LOVE to just ignore that and actually support them. LOL, your true colours are showing.
barefootwits 1 month ago
@barefootwits You're making no sense now. LOL. Are you sure you want to continue this about America's founding? I have the Constitution open right next to me. When was the last time you read it?
Where did I say I supported Westboro? YOU made that claim about me. Why are you putting lying words in my mouth? That's pretty dishonest.
aThinkingChristian 1 month ago
@barefootwits
"Our laws and our institutions must necessarily be based upon and embody the teachings of the Redeemer of mankind. It is impossible that it should be otherwise. In this sense and to this extent, our civilizations and our institutions are emphatically Christian." -- Richmond v. Moore, Illinois Supreme Court, 1883
And your claim again was? Careful! I can give you many, more. You SURE you want to go down this road?
aThinkingChristian 1 month ago
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@aThinkingChristian You gave a couple hours of your small life to spread bigotry and small-mindedness due to a sad interpretation of a book tha
barefootwits 1 month ago
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@aThinkingChristian You gave a couple hours of your small life to spread bigotry and small-mindedness due to a sad interpretation of a book that you clearly couldn't use properly.
"It's ironic that you keep telling me to read the Bible, when it's clear that you have not done so yourself, but imagine yourself to be an authority on it. Why not take your own advice & read it yourself to find truth?" I hope you actually were speaking to yourself when you wrote this.
barefootwits 1 month ago
@aThinkingChristian Really glad more ignorant postings on here are going to end. And glad that other people can at least learn from this discussion, since you want to continue living in your ignorance.
barefootwits 1 month ago
@barefootwits It is my prayer that every person watching this video will read every comment carefully & repent of their rebellion against God & turn to Jesus Christ for salvation. That's Bible. Let the reader beware. Judgment day is coming. Don't stand before God in your sins. Repent & trust what Jesus before it's too late.
"He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him." -Jesus Christ
aThinkingChristian 1 month ago
@aThinkingChristian I really hope that everyone reading these comments notes that this person wasn't able to actually quote the Bible to back up his argument without the things that he said being torn apart by reason. Please carefully consider what you take out of the Bible and where it really came from. (Ages ago, written by men.) This person clearly was on here just so he could spread his blind faith, which is not ok. Again, they missed the freedom of religion bit.
barefootwits 1 month ago
@aThinkingChristian And you should go read what theologists have said about the Bible. Pretty sure those are authoritative writings ON EARTH. Oooh.
barefootwits 1 month ago
@aThinkingChristian And I also like how you ignored everything I said about the other sins in the Bible and how you very clearly pick-and-choose them and don't acknowledge they exist. You very clearly aren't ready to admit to yourself that, according to your book, you sin every single day.
barefootwits 1 month ago
@barefootwits Whoa! Other sins? Tell me, WHO were those things said to? Christians? Explain it, please.
Oh, I sin every day, and I never claimed not to. So do you. But the difference between you and me is that Jesus Christ has forgiven me, because I came to Him ON HIS TERMS, and he saved me and washed my sins away. Based on your own words you have never done that, so you are yet in your sins. But I'm no better than you. I'm just forgiven. You can be, too, but on HIS TERMS.
aThinkingChristian 1 month ago
@aThinkingChristian The BIBLE says that you cannot eat shellfish or wear clothing made of two or more threads or planting two herbs in the same garden. If you are truly a Christian, how can you even ask where the Bible talks about acceptance? If you don't KNOW the MOST of it talks about acceptance, you should think of a word other than "Christian" to describe yourself. I came to Jesus on my own terms and I'm pretty sure he would be
barefootwits 1 month ago
@barefootwits No it doesn't. I'm not a Jew living 3,000 years ago when that was written. You need to understand that not everything in the Bible is written for every person. There are dispensations (time separations). Jesus said nothing about these things. Paul said nothing about these things. I'm not Jewish. But, see? You don't know what you're talking about.
Oh, I DO know where the Bible talks about acceptance. I want YOU to show me that you know, since you brought it up.
aThinkingChristian 1 month ago
@aThinkingChristian "Not everything in the Bible is written for every person." So you're disclaiming the Bible? You're saying that certain parts of it don't apply, even though it's the word of God that has no error, as you claimed earlier? That's new. Do you know what you're talking about? Obviously... no.
I've already shown you. You're just being too ignorant to face that I have.
barefootwits 1 month ago
@barefootwits (Sigh.) Something can be free of error and not apply to everyone. That's pretty logical, don't you think?
Scenario: "That birth control pill is free of any contaminants, but it's only for women."
"What!?" "How can it be free of contaminants and only be for certain people and not everyone?"
Don't you see how silly that argument is?
aThinkingChristian 1 month ago
@aThinkingChristian Um, no. If God created the Bible to lead people to him, it stands to reason that the Bible is there for the use of EVERYONE. You're stating that it isn't, or doesn't apply to everyone. Why? Because the Bible condemns women and slavery? Are women and descendants of slaves the people that it doesn't apply to? Maybe you DID actually read the Bible.
Birth only pertains to WOMEN. Your logic is rather silly.
barefootwits 1 month ago
@barefootwits The Bible is for everyone, but not every single verse applies to every single person. There are verses written to specific people groups; to men, to women, to children, etc. See? This is where your ignorance is really showing. Arguments like this make you look really bad.
aThinkingChristian 1 month ago
@aThinkingChristian Every single verse, though, you said, was not in error. And if the Bible is for everyone, then every verse should apply to everyone who reads it. Otherwise, it clearly ISN'T for everyone. Children become adults. Are you saying that the verses that applied to them when they were children should no longer to taken heed to because they are now adults? This is where your ignorance has just exploded. You look pretty terrible.
barefootwits 1 month ago
@barefootwits Here we go again. Error=imperfect. A verse directed to children (Ephesians 6:1, for example) is not imperfect because it also doesn't apply to old men. It simply applies to children, but the truth of the verse is perfect. I'm not sure where the breakdown is here in your reasoning. You're trying to compare apples to oranges.
aThinkingChristian 1 month ago
@aThinkingChristian You're trying to disclaim something that you've already stated as fact and I'm pointing it out to you, is all. And you're floundering. I'm pretty sure "children" can be seen as ANYONE, because all people were children at one time. Say you have a 20 year-old person. Not a "child" anymore, but they still have parents. But that verse doesn't apply to them, because they aren't a child anymore.
barefootwits 1 month ago
@barefootwits And verses that apply only to men somehow apply to women, too?
Go ahead, I'm all ears. LOL.
aThinkingChristian 1 month ago
@aThinkingChristian Oh, what, you mean like the verses telling men that they rule over women and that their wives are equal to livestock and that if they want more wives, they can have them? Those verses? Well, sure.
barefootwits 1 month ago
@barefootwits You won't find any verses in the Bible that tell men to "lord it over" a woman. But there is a chain of command and God put the husband at the head. If you don't like that, so be it. Take it up with God. Every corporation in the world knows that there has to be ONE head. Otherwise there is confusion. The plethora of broken marriages in this nation is proof that your way doesn't work, and you'll be hard pressed to prove otherwise.
aThinkingChristian 1 month ago
@aThinkingChristian Colossians 3:18, 1 Co