@Kerikali Ignorance by means of YesProp8 and vicorii saying something that isn't true by means of their ill interpretation of the real values and motives of two people desiring to spend a lifetime together and bonding family ties with the counterpart.
They said something about falsely claiming other peoples' children, thus treating the child's other parent as "disposable", instead of honoring that part of making a child with someone is that you have a moral and ethical obligation to respect that person and to encourage your child's relationship with that person.
What is so false about that? It's the law in my state - and I'm not sure why gays get a free pass.
@Kerikali "It's the law in my state - and I'm not sure why gays get a free pass."
It may be a law in your state, but that doesn't discount the fact that where I live, gay marriage is legal and valid. 'free pass'?? It's called EQUALITY. It's why more nations around the World are recognizing gay marriage as being beneficial for society because there is no harm done with two consenting adults being in love wanting to spend a lifetime together and benefiting from the same as other couples.
@thecommercialedge Too bad for you no judge in any state has the power to make a gay union into a marriage.
He only has the power to punish people for refusing to play along with the lie.
Gay marriages are nothing but poseurs playing a role, trying to enact the failed philosophy-dream that promises the delusional that anything can be real if you just pretend it's real hard enough.
Stop playing the buffoon: make your own honest institution, based on what you are, not what you wish you were.
@Kerikali said "Too bad for you no judge in any state has the power to make a gay union into a marriage."
You are living in ignorance if you do not already know that in the states of CT, VT, DC, MA, NH, IA, marriages ARE LEGAL, valid and performed. In CA, MD and NY, my marriage is also recognized as a legal and valid event.
If you try to delude yourself into thinking that the system has already made way for gay marriage then you're playing the buffoon.
@Kerikali said .."based on what you are, not what you wish you were."
Your ridiculous assumptions continue to flow.
Now here's some reality for you. I wished to be married to my husband...and for years now I already have been. My wishes have come true. There's nothing you can do to take away the ties I have made to my husband, as the government has deemed it so.
You can make silly little youtube videos that get a couple hundred views but it's not going to change anything.
@thecommercialedge haha the rachel maddow vid owner had to block me....sees the trap coming, eh?
Arguing that homosexual rights is based on confusing "to be" with "to do" leads to a dead end for you, doesn't it?
You can't explain how anyone could discriminate against you based on what you "are"..there are no tests for illicit desires...nobody is testing for "gay genes", are they?
it's only how you ACT that is discriminated against.
Ratings have been disabled because you know very well you're in the minority with your lies. Family is not just about gender, you silly fool.
What's reality is you're obsessed with something you don't understand, so you come online to vent your ignorance. Luckily you're 50 years too late because equality these days includes black people AND the GLBT community -- because obviously we deserve equality, and we're getting it.
@thecommercialedge You might be granted the legal benefits of marriage -
But passing a law requiring people to ooh and ahh at the Emperor's clothes doesn't make him any less naked.
Some things are inherent. Michael Jackson could bleach his skin and fix his nose, but he never stopped being black.
Marriage is not just friendship. It is not just enjoying your sex partner. It is something more. You can have a relationship with your lover, but no judge can make it be what marriage is.
@vicorii "You can have a relationship with your lover, but no judge can make it be what marriage is."
Tell that to your wife, if you are even married. Marriage is not bound by gender any longer. 'Emperor's clothes' is a good analogy of your inept rationale, for you see marriage is already granted to same-sex couples and you covering your eyes and saying "no it's not" only shows your ignorance to modern law and social progression.
I know what marriage is, obviously, because I'm married.
@Kerikali No. What you are talking about is an incestuous relationship. That is not related to the marriage I have with my husband, which I proudly state is valid and real because not only have we made the vow to each other, the GOVERNMENT of our country has also legally bound us together -- as well as both our families joining together and we are now one big happy family.
Try to stay on track. Homosexuality is legal, as is the marriage I share with my husband.
@vicorii That man's marriage isn't just some kind of costume. Michael Jackson being black is a genetic, biological fact. A marriage is defined by law. YOU are not the definer of marriage. Therefore, it is not up to you to say what is and isn't marriage. True, it is up to the people. But you are only one person. Where he is, the people said that two men can marry and he did. Marriage is not defined by religion either in this country.
@vicorii I'd love for you to tell me what in what "significant, relevant" ways a same-sex marriage is different than an opposite-sex marriage, besides the obvious about their gender. I'd also like you to tell me what makes it "a lie" that people agree with that man who got married. Why are they narcissistic and why are they fantasies? How are they what they are not? You haven't given me any reasons or facts to support your claim.
@SaruCharmed If you assume marriage means whatever you want it to, then I guess any two or more people who want to call themselves married can do so.
But reality is what it is. Conjugal relationships are different in kind, and no amount of wishing and pretending can change reality.
Why do gays fear the truth, anyway? What would it hurt them to admit that they love Joe but that Sandy, not Joe, is their child's mother? Denial at this level is pathological!
@Kerikali It doesn't mean whatever you want it to either. See, we have this thing called a democracy. That means that people vote for their own laws in this country. In some places, enough people have voted that two men or two women should be able to get married, so they do. That is a marriage no matter what you say it is. You're the one in denial if you keep insisting that doesn't count just because one person, you, says it does.
@SaruCharmed thank you for bringing honesty to this conversation. Kerikali doesn't seem to understand how laws and rights/benefits work in our modern society.
@Kerikali What difference is there between a mother and a father, then? They both teach the same principles and values. Gender does not play a positive vs. negative role..which is why teachers in a classroom are not discriminated against when teaching certain subjects. The same applies to parenthood. Prove me wrong.
@Kerikali asked "What difference between a mother and a father?"
Are you just going to ask stupid questions or are you going to answer my question?
I'll say it again. There is no difference between a mother and father in terms of raising a child. A human can be taught by another human -- the values and lessons to have a successful life. Those lessons are not biased by means of gender.
@Kerikali No, I don't believe that being in the majority makes something proper. If that were the case 100% of the time, I wouldn't be married to my husband right now. Neither would black people being able to marry white people 50 years ago.
I'm married to another man and there's nothing you can do about it, whether you're in the majority or the minority. The government has already deemed our marriage to be legal and valid.
Why would ANYBODY want to be married - let alone gays?
beneathdatrees0 10 months ago
Take an enema. You're full of shit.
jwwindsor 11 months ago
"Disposable People"
How true.
YesProp8 1 year ago
@YesProp8 "Disposable People"
False advertising based on ignorance.
thecommercialedge 1 year ago
@thecommercialedge How is it "ignorance"?
Kerikali 1 year ago
@Kerikali Ignorance by means of YesProp8 and vicorii saying something that isn't true by means of their ill interpretation of the real values and motives of two people desiring to spend a lifetime together and bonding family ties with the counterpart.
thecommercialedge 1 year ago
@thecommercialedge I don't see that anyone said anything about motives.
They said something about falsely claiming other peoples' children, thus treating the child's other parent as "disposable", instead of honoring that part of making a child with someone is that you have a moral and ethical obligation to respect that person and to encourage your child's relationship with that person.
What is so false about that? It's the law in my state - and I'm not sure why gays get a free pass.
Kerikali 1 year ago
@Kerikali "It's the law in my state - and I'm not sure why gays get a free pass."
It may be a law in your state, but that doesn't discount the fact that where I live, gay marriage is legal and valid. 'free pass'?? It's called EQUALITY. It's why more nations around the World are recognizing gay marriage as being beneficial for society because there is no harm done with two consenting adults being in love wanting to spend a lifetime together and benefiting from the same as other couples.
thecommercialedge 1 year ago
@thecommercialedge Too bad for you no judge in any state has the power to make a gay union into a marriage.
He only has the power to punish people for refusing to play along with the lie.
Gay marriages are nothing but poseurs playing a role, trying to enact the failed philosophy-dream that promises the delusional that anything can be real if you just pretend it's real hard enough.
Stop playing the buffoon: make your own honest institution, based on what you are, not what you wish you were.
Kerikali 1 year ago
@Kerikali said "Too bad for you no judge in any state has the power to make a gay union into a marriage."
You are living in ignorance if you do not already know that in the states of CT, VT, DC, MA, NH, IA, marriages ARE LEGAL, valid and performed. In CA, MD and NY, my marriage is also recognized as a legal and valid event.
If you try to delude yourself into thinking that the system has already made way for gay marriage then you're playing the buffoon.
Gay marriage is here. Get used to it.
thecommercialedge 1 year ago
@Kerikali said .."based on what you are, not what you wish you were."
Your ridiculous assumptions continue to flow.
Now here's some reality for you. I wished to be married to my husband...and for years now I already have been. My wishes have come true. There's nothing you can do to take away the ties I have made to my husband, as the government has deemed it so.
You can make silly little youtube videos that get a couple hundred views but it's not going to change anything.
thecommercialedge 1 year ago
@thecommercialedge haha the rachel maddow vid owner had to block me....sees the trap coming, eh?
Arguing that homosexual rights is based on confusing "to be" with "to do" leads to a dead end for you, doesn't it?
You can't explain how anyone could discriminate against you based on what you "are"..there are no tests for illicit desires...nobody is testing for "gay genes", are they?
it's only how you ACT that is discriminated against.
Kerikali 1 year ago
Ratings have been disabled because you know very well you're in the minority with your lies. Family is not just about gender, you silly fool.
What's reality is you're obsessed with something you don't understand, so you come online to vent your ignorance. Luckily you're 50 years too late because equality these days includes black people AND the GLBT community -- because obviously we deserve equality, and we're getting it.
Sincerely, a gay and legally married man :-)
thecommercialedge 1 year ago
@thecommercialedge You might be granted the legal benefits of marriage -
But passing a law requiring people to ooh and ahh at the Emperor's clothes doesn't make him any less naked.
Some things are inherent. Michael Jackson could bleach his skin and fix his nose, but he never stopped being black.
Marriage is not just friendship. It is not just enjoying your sex partner. It is something more. You can have a relationship with your lover, but no judge can make it be what marriage is.
vicorii 1 year ago
@vicorii "You can have a relationship with your lover, but no judge can make it be what marriage is."
Tell that to your wife, if you are even married. Marriage is not bound by gender any longer. 'Emperor's clothes' is a good analogy of your inept rationale, for you see marriage is already granted to same-sex couples and you covering your eyes and saying "no it's not" only shows your ignorance to modern law and social progression.
I know what marriage is, obviously, because I'm married.
thecommercialedge 1 year ago
@thecommercialedge So if two brothers announce that they are in love, and they are therefore married, does that make it true?
If it feels like married to THEM, does that make it true?
Kerikali 1 year ago
@Kerikali No. What you are talking about is an incestuous relationship. That is not related to the marriage I have with my husband, which I proudly state is valid and real because not only have we made the vow to each other, the GOVERNMENT of our country has also legally bound us together -- as well as both our families joining together and we are now one big happy family.
Try to stay on track. Homosexuality is legal, as is the marriage I share with my husband.
thecommercialedge 1 year ago
@vicorii That man's marriage isn't just some kind of costume. Michael Jackson being black is a genetic, biological fact. A marriage is defined by law. YOU are not the definer of marriage. Therefore, it is not up to you to say what is and isn't marriage. True, it is up to the people. But you are only one person. Where he is, the people said that two men can marry and he did. Marriage is not defined by religion either in this country.
SaruCharmed 1 year ago
@SaruCharmed Pretending that a gay relationship is the same as a conjugal one is a lie.
Forcing people to play along with a lie doesn't make it any more true.
The two relationships are different in kind in significant, relevant ways.
Civil rights is based on truth, not on forcing people to lie to indulge narcissistic fantasies and denial.
Plus, trying to be what one is not is inherently buffoonish.
You're lovers. Nothing more. Deal with it.
vicorii 1 year ago
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@vicorii said "Pretending that a gay relationship is the same as a conjugal one is a lie."
That's not what the government states.
That's not what the border guards say when they ask what my relation to my husband is.
That's not what the civil servant that signed my marriage papers said.
That's not what my family and friends that attended my marriage said.
You seem to lie more than the rest of us, vicorii.
You're a liar, vicorii. Nothing more. Deal with it.
thecommercialedge 1 year ago
@vicorii I'd love for you to tell me what in what "significant, relevant" ways a same-sex marriage is different than an opposite-sex marriage, besides the obvious about their gender. I'd also like you to tell me what makes it "a lie" that people agree with that man who got married. Why are they narcissistic and why are they fantasies? How are they what they are not? You haven't given me any reasons or facts to support your claim.
SaruCharmed 1 year ago
@SaruCharmed If you assume marriage means whatever you want it to, then I guess any two or more people who want to call themselves married can do so.
But reality is what it is. Conjugal relationships are different in kind, and no amount of wishing and pretending can change reality.
Why do gays fear the truth, anyway? What would it hurt them to admit that they love Joe but that Sandy, not Joe, is their child's mother? Denial at this level is pathological!
Kerikali 1 year ago
@Kerikali It doesn't mean whatever you want it to either. See, we have this thing called a democracy. That means that people vote for their own laws in this country. In some places, enough people have voted that two men or two women should be able to get married, so they do. That is a marriage no matter what you say it is. You're the one in denial if you keep insisting that doesn't count just because one person, you, says it does.
SaruCharmed 1 year ago
@SaruCharmed thank you for bringing honesty to this conversation. Kerikali doesn't seem to understand how laws and rights/benefits work in our modern society.
thecommercialedge 1 year ago
@thecommercialedge How can you say family is not about gender?
That's like saying there's no difference between a mother vs. a father.
Or there's no difference between a same sex parent vs. a parent of the opposite sex.
Is that what you're saying?
Kerikali 1 year ago
@Kerikali What difference is there between a mother and a father, then? They both teach the same principles and values. Gender does not play a positive vs. negative role..which is why teachers in a classroom are not discriminated against when teaching certain subjects. The same applies to parenthood. Prove me wrong.
thecommercialedge 1 year ago
@thecommercialedge What difference between a mother and a father?
ARE YOU SERIOUS?
Wasn't that whole androgyny thing disproved by like 1982? What century are you living in?
Kerikali 1 year ago
@Kerikali asked "What difference between a mother and a father?"
Are you just going to ask stupid questions or are you going to answer my question?
I'll say it again. There is no difference between a mother and father in terms of raising a child. A human can be taught by another human -- the values and lessons to have a successful life. Those lessons are not biased by means of gender.
This is common sense. I suggest you get some.
thecommercialedge 1 year ago
@thecommercialedge Your comment makes no sense.
Do you believe that being in the majority makes you "right"?
Because the majority has consistently held that marriage is...well, marriage.
The idea that marriage means nothing more than any two or more people who say they "love" each other is a minority viewpoint, not a majority one.
Kerikali 1 year ago
@Kerikali No, I don't believe that being in the majority makes something proper. If that were the case 100% of the time, I wouldn't be married to my husband right now. Neither would black people being able to marry white people 50 years ago.
I'm married to another man and there's nothing you can do about it, whether you're in the majority or the minority. The government has already deemed our marriage to be legal and valid.
thecommercialedge 1 year ago