The way BBC tries to call this "traitor" Maajid Nawz a "former Islamist" speaks volumes about BBC's discriminatory attitude towards Islam. Islamism is another derogatory term created by all these fear-mongers and hate-mongers to defame Islam. You spit on the moon out of jealousy, the spit comes back to your face. Moon still continues to shine through night, spreading its moonlight even in those dark corridors of twisted human spirits.
@aatayyab Do you know that Christianity is correct? The world around us reveals that G-d DOES exist, and the historical evidence reveals that Jesus Christ really did come to this earth and there is overwhelming evidence that Jesus Christ really did physically rise from the dead. Jesus is coming again and the signs of the end times that were foretold in the Bible are coming to pass.
The only magic word this "traitor" Maajid Nawaz has to offer to the debate is "politicizing". Well, how stupid is that Political Islam and "politicizing" are completely two different things. I have serious doubts about this guy taking too much anti-depressants and distanced himself from even logically and reasonably discuss or differentiate things.
woah woah woah 4:47 Israel is NOT a democracy. Its an ethnocentric apartheid racist state that explicitly prohibits a part of the population from having any say in politics.
That last question seems so uninformed. 'What is it about Islam that is threatening?' It had already been explained: political Moslem movements may foster Islamic terrorism. They do this by dehumanising non-Moslems, and thereby legitimising using violence against them. This might not happen in all cases, but it might happen in some, and Moslem extremists have been very eager to show their willingness to use violence against civilians.
A bunch of appostates who know nothing about Islam and rejected verses, hadiths and the ijma(consensus of the Moslims) within their conversations. Thats why RasulAllah(sallallahu aleyhi wa sallam) said:"Speak good(the truth/with knowledge) or keep quit."
"why don't we allow us to bring our spirituality to the political discussion?" because non-spiritual people might not understand what youre talking about, dear lady.
There is no such thing as political Islam. Islam is political. The problem with Islam is that there are always people who try to impose their political ideals on the masses. It's the same with sharia law. Get a sizable majority of Muslims and most of them will advocate the imposition of sharia. Now people would say that in a democratic country this should be permissible. No, sharia allows no room for amendments nor is it a democratic system. It is inherently prejudiced against non-Muslims.
lol "secular" muslim. According to definition of secularism,. A secular Muslim has not relation with Islam except for identity. So technically, they don't have the right to speak for Islam. Plus Hamas and Hezbollah are political organizations in the east where majority Muslim and need to liberate their lands. Their situation is different from West. This stupid imam who is correlating HAMAS and situation in the west is really uneducated.
Don't blame Islamic teaching.We have to know true Islamic teaching.Our religion is overshadowed by wrong Islamic teaching which is originated from India not from our dearest prophet.
We should bring religious veiws & inspiration into politics? is she fricking crazy! the only morals you take from your religion are the ones that suit your society & are already there anyway. Like be good to one another. we ignore the rest............. like kill non-belivers & homosexuals & so on. So why does she need it, shes only cherry picking anyway. You can take at any holy book be it the quran the bible & then try to make moral laws based on them your gunna need up back in the dark ages!
Here is my perspective (so far in the debate). The consensus of those for the notion argue that its it "Political Islam" that is a threat to the West, but not Islam itself. I believe if it were "Political Christianity/Hinduism/Buddhism"etc there would be no need for debate, because the answer would be a flat out no. However it seems there IS a problem in the west with Islam, because much of what defines today's western culture and society is un-Islamic. Asalaamu Alaikum wa Rahmatullah
Did Sarah really make the argument that Iran, a country which during state-organized Friday prayers chants "Death to America!", is not a threat to the West? What does it take for an islamist group to be considered a threat for her? Do the bombs have to go off first, or can we at least agree that the calling for our death is enough to constitute a threat?
first of all political islam is a concept with many definitions so they have to clarify what exactly are they discussing because it seems that the reason for their disagreement is that they are speaking about two different kinds of political islam: one being politial islam focusing on social issues and one on a more militarist version of it....but all in all the sister is saying the most of what needs to be said....
they keep talking about democracy, democracy is a terrible thing to aspire to. A republic is thing to aspire to. Here in the usa democracy lead to this oligarchy that we now have. It has lead to corporate run government that ayn rand said is the worst of all economic phenomenoen, and now we see that is in fact happened.
this majeed nawaz is a son of a bitch he does not know that there are 4 women moslim prime minister of different moslim country, starting from fatimah jinnah of pakistan , benazir bhutto of pakistan , tannu ciller of turkey, shiekh haseena wajid of bangladesh .
Sarah Joseph has shown a reactionary and naive attitude to Iran. Yes the UK has nuclear weapons but in the fifty years we have had them, we haven't used them in violence even once. Iran on the other hand is a theocratic dictatorship which has made Britain, Israel and the US convenient scapegoats for everything. She is peddling to the idea that it is somehow all a media concoction and peddling to the Iranian elite's demonisation of her own country.
I think Sara was very truthful on her opinion and straight forward.
the democratic US had used their nuclear weapon against japan. the democratic israel has been ussing WMA against palestinian civilian, the british government has been attacking other nations left and right and i am sure if they get a chance to nuke a country they won't hesitate.
Iran never attacked/invaded any other nations, they support legitimate resistance group against invaders
Britain, "israel" (yes I think its a cancer) and the US have attacked another nation yet after 30 years of the Iranian revolution I challenge you to name me *one* example where the Iranians have been the aggressor. Note; the iran-iraq war was arab (secular) baathist fascism that attacked Iran.
People seem to be ignoring the fact that Nawaz WAS IN an islamist organisation- he knows their mindset and the threat they pose better than anyone on the panel. As a British non-muslim I see the hatred and lies against 'kuffars' every day from islamist organisations.
as for nuclear weapons , im really opposed to israel having them but i wouldnt want iran having them either . nowone knows who is gonna be running the partiucular country from now and i dont trust their current administtration as being serious and sober either . pakistan has nuclear w. and that country almost collapsed a moonth ago
The way BBC tries to call this "traitor" Maajid Nawz a "former Islamist" speaks volumes about BBC's discriminatory attitude towards Islam. Islamism is another derogatory term created by all these fear-mongers and hate-mongers to defame Islam. You spit on the moon out of jealousy, the spit comes back to your face. Moon still continues to shine through night, spreading its moonlight even in those dark corridors of twisted human spirits.
aatayyab 2 months ago
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@aatayyab Do you know that Christianity is correct? The world around us reveals that G-d DOES exist, and the historical evidence reveals that Jesus Christ really did come to this earth and there is overwhelming evidence that Jesus Christ really did physically rise from the dead. Jesus is coming again and the signs of the end times that were foretold in the Bible are coming to pass.
marionetemanJ 4 weeks ago
The only magic word this "traitor" Maajid Nawaz has to offer to the debate is "politicizing". Well, how stupid is that Political Islam and "politicizing" are completely two different things. I have serious doubts about this guy taking too much anti-depressants and distanced himself from even logically and reasonably discuss or differentiate things.
aatayyab 2 months ago
woah woah woah 4:47 Israel is NOT a democracy. Its an ethnocentric apartheid racist state that explicitly prohibits a part of the population from having any say in politics.
Azamspazam91 2 months ago
That last question seems so uninformed. 'What is it about Islam that is threatening?' It had already been explained: political Moslem movements may foster Islamic terrorism. They do this by dehumanising non-Moslems, and thereby legitimising using violence against them. This might not happen in all cases, but it might happen in some, and Moslem extremists have been very eager to show their willingness to use violence against civilians.
Viljarism 2 months ago
A bunch of appostates who know nothing about Islam and rejected verses, hadiths and the ijma(consensus of the Moslims) within their conversations. Thats why RasulAllah(sallallahu aleyhi wa sallam) said:"Speak good(the truth/with knowledge) or keep quit."
Haterofkuffar2 3 months ago
that woman is a dirty liar.... iran a few months later would show how they killed innocent muslims when they were protesting...
CyprusHot 6 months ago
these shit people enjoy the freedom of uk , enjoy the uk economy, now they talk shit about uk..........shame on you. u people
if u don't like it , go back where u came from , and change ur own country. don't try to change other country
moncherry801 7 months ago
all muslim are illetrate people, they only talk about quran , they don't talk about other thing
moncherry801 7 months ago
"why don't we allow us to bring our spirituality to the political discussion?" because non-spiritual people might not understand what youre talking about, dear lady.
MrBeumel 7 months ago
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Why doesn't this woman get Maajid's point. IT'S NOT ABOUT MUSLIMS IN POLITICS BUT POLITICIZING ISLAM!
romanasalati 9 months ago
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Why doesn't this woman get Maajid's point. IT'S NOT ABOUT MUSLIMS IN POLITICS BUT POLITICIZING ISLAM!
romanasalati 9 months ago
There is no such thing as political Islam. Islam is political. The problem with Islam is that there are always people who try to impose their political ideals on the masses. It's the same with sharia law. Get a sizable majority of Muslims and most of them will advocate the imposition of sharia. Now people would say that in a democratic country this should be permissible. No, sharia allows no room for amendments nor is it a democratic system. It is inherently prejudiced against non-Muslims.
Ronaldo573 9 months ago
lol "secular" muslim. According to definition of secularism,. A secular Muslim has not relation with Islam except for identity. So technically, they don't have the right to speak for Islam. Plus Hamas and Hezbollah are political organizations in the east where majority Muslim and need to liberate their lands. Their situation is different from West. This stupid imam who is correlating HAMAS and situation in the west is really uneducated.
nofreedom4racists 10 months ago
Don't blame Islamic teaching.We have to know true Islamic teaching.Our religion is overshadowed by wrong Islamic teaching which is originated from India not from our dearest prophet.
shwenu 11 months ago
We should bring religious veiws & inspiration into politics? is she fricking crazy! the only morals you take from your religion are the ones that suit your society & are already there anyway. Like be good to one another. we ignore the rest............. like kill non-belivers & homosexuals & so on. So why does she need it, shes only cherry picking anyway. You can take at any holy book be it the quran the bible & then try to make moral laws based on them your gunna need up back in the dark ages!
thinkasecond 1 year ago
Here is my perspective (so far in the debate). The consensus of those for the notion argue that its it "Political Islam" that is a threat to the West, but not Islam itself. I believe if it were "Political Christianity/Hinduism/Buddhism"etc there would be no need for debate, because the answer would be a flat out no. However it seems there IS a problem in the west with Islam, because much of what defines today's western culture and society is un-Islamic. Asalaamu Alaikum wa Rahmatullah
a4d2d0 1 year ago
Okay,
One effin question I would have asked Sarah Joseph.
Do you and your partner who frankly do not all agree with the Islamic Brotherhood,
willing to take the risk regardless if you do not agree with them, for a political Islamic movement
that legitimately may not approve of a Christian woman as an elected leader.
are you willing to take that risk to allow them this motion.
izaccy 1 year ago
0:18 Sara is the great thinker and most educated of this debate. MashaAllah
She is very smart. We need Muslim scholars like her.
mucaad3 1 year ago 5
This imam is seriously...
How did he get to be an imam???
murderedboy 1 year ago 3
Did Sarah really make the argument that Iran, a country which during state-organized Friday prayers chants "Death to America!", is not a threat to the West? What does it take for an islamist group to be considered a threat for her? Do the bombs have to go off first, or can we at least agree that the calling for our death is enough to constitute a threat?
Re5Publica 1 year ago
only sarah can defend islam fuh what a debate without participant real muslim
nazifdaniel 1 year ago
islam must be reform. There is no women rights. She can tell what she want.
MelisRib 1 year ago
@az11z9 The lady makes no sense either.
CloseTheseEyes 1 year ago
@greeko25
What in the world do Algeria and Saudi Arabia have in common in terms of religion and governing?!!
algeriealgerienne 1 year ago
first of all political islam is a concept with many definitions so they have to clarify what exactly are they discussing because it seems that the reason for their disagreement is that they are speaking about two different kinds of political islam: one being politial islam focusing on social issues and one on a more militarist version of it....but all in all the sister is saying the most of what needs to be said....
Kosovare4eva 1 year ago
he's a fucking lunatic sell out psychopath who's been paid by anglos on a show hosted by an anglo...!!!
leotakesleo 1 year ago
She's disgustingly hysterical.
drydust999 1 year ago
good video.
myironlungca 1 year ago
they keep talking about democracy, democracy is a terrible thing to aspire to. A republic is thing to aspire to. Here in the usa democracy lead to this oligarchy that we now have. It has lead to corporate run government that ayn rand said is the worst of all economic phenomenoen, and now we see that is in fact happened.
k1a1t1h1y1 1 year ago
this majeed nawaz is a son of a bitch he does not know that there are 4 women moslim prime minister of different moslim country, starting from fatimah jinnah of pakistan , benazir bhutto of pakistan , tannu ciller of turkey, shiekh haseena wajid of bangladesh .
ohwahwah 2 years ago
i say long live to the sister but the rest to me seems like a pupets. why we don't have a great well known scholar.
WAFIJAMAL 2 years ago 11
@WAFIJAMAL True, was it not that durin the end times scholars will become the worst among us?
Hmraja 1 year ago
@WAFIJAMAL will u let a woman do the azaan in a mosque?
CyprusHot 6 months ago
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This bitch lives in England and talking out of her ass. Iran is a danger to the world.
parikani 2 years ago
@parikani ur the biggest bitch here!! get rid of ur arms then ask for others to drops thiers... u pieace of shit
olivetribe 1 year ago
Maajid Nawaz - your points have no substance .. wonder why British government pays your advisory.
fallinus06 2 years ago
Sarah Joseph is not terribly bright.
DeepHauz 2 years ago
To understand her one requires intelligence, a sense of rationalism and ligoc and last but not least - a human heart.
Signalement 2 years ago 7
lol true
Slickback83 2 years ago
the bad guys are the captians of industry who OWN the means of production and inslave you to work 40 hours or more a week?
are we born on earth to become a worker slave?
urdun66 2 years ago
Sarah Joseph has shown a reactionary and naive attitude to Iran. Yes the UK has nuclear weapons but in the fifty years we have had them, we haven't used them in violence even once. Iran on the other hand is a theocratic dictatorship which has made Britain, Israel and the US convenient scapegoats for everything. She is peddling to the idea that it is somehow all a media concoction and peddling to the Iranian elite's demonisation of her own country.
CULAVE 2 years ago 2
Culave,
I think Sara was very truthful on her opinion and straight forward.
the democratic US had used their nuclear weapon against japan. the democratic israel has been ussing WMA against palestinian civilian, the british government has been attacking other nations left and right and i am sure if they get a chance to nuke a country they won't hesitate.
Iran never attacked/invaded any other nations, they support legitimate resistance group against invaders
I am against nuclear/wars
khalidglory 2 years ago
@CULAVE
Britain, "israel" (yes I think its a cancer) and the US have attacked another nation yet after 30 years of the Iranian revolution I challenge you to name me *one* example where the Iranians have been the aggressor. Note; the iran-iraq war was arab (secular) baathist fascism that attacked Iran.
zizoubilly 2 years ago
People seem to be ignoring the fact that Nawaz WAS IN an islamist organisation- he knows their mindset and the threat they pose better than anyone on the panel. As a British non-muslim I see the hatred and lies against 'kuffars' every day from islamist organisations.
CULAVE 2 years ago
Shadi and Sarah win the debate for sure! Awesome panel against the motion
Muaththin 2 years ago
as for nuclear weapons , im really opposed to israel having them but i wouldnt want iran having them either . nowone knows who is gonna be running the partiucular country from now and i dont trust their current administtration as being serious and sober either . pakistan has nuclear w. and that country almost collapsed a moonth ago
greeko25 2 years ago
governing and religion should not be combined .see saudi arabia , algeria and others
the woman speaking is rather feisty but the weakest speaker in essence from them all
greeko25 2 years ago