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He Kexin ALWAYS has dead hangs! After every single release, transfer etc. she has to muscle her way up!
3 leg separations is way less than 4 dead hangs. Her transfer ALWAYS looks strained. Her handstands are not nearly as straight as Nastia's. No one's are. She would've gotten 0.1 deduction for ALL of her handstands! Hexin had more height on the Tkachev, -0.2 for Nastia.
Both had leg separations on their Paks. Both had steps on their landing; Nastia gets 0.2 deduction for form.
@romonabruno No, not necessarily. There are plenty of short Russians who have fine kips... What is Kexin's excuse now? She's certainly grown since Beijing...
Neat to see He do a half-twist at the end of the Jaeger. I'm just wondering has anyone done a half-twist at the ed of the Gienger? And who's it named after?
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I find it VERY odd that once this American journalist uncovered the TRUTH on the Official Chinese Arbitration of Sport website where it CLEARLY LISTED SEVERAL PLACES that He Kexin was 13 in 2007.......that the documents were "mysteriously" disappearing off of the Official website.
The Chinese were CLEARLY trying to cover their tracks and quickly deleting everything that this journalist found. Just like in 2000, one day He or someone will slip up and they'll get STRIPPED of their gold medal
i cant understand why people hate on nastia so much. that one skill at the end of this routine is so far past the handstand its ridiculous and her legs def flew apart on the dismount AND she took a step on the landing. nastia shouldve won imo.
this was amazing, but almost to the point of being unsafe.... a couple of those skills should have had a giant between them IMO, but amazing nevertheless
@ShawnVikaKomova2012 i don't know who should have.... but you clearly are not "strict" or really know how to take deductions at all if you think that yang yilin should have had a higher b score than he kexin and that ksenia semenova could have had more than a .4 advantage over beth tweddle in b score and that ksenia could have had a higher b score than liukin at all... if you think these standings are correct you should do some serious revisiting of the code of points.. or maybe just visiting
@481095ymg2 I am strict and I had over 23 thumbs up on a Wieber bars video that I critiqued and pointed out her flaws. Top comment. Besides, you are oblivious to Liukin's mistakes. If you read the CoP, you'd understand them. Would you like me to point out all of the places Liukin should be deducted? I will if you want. It's funny how you don't realize them and yet you're to say that I need to read the CoP again! You're a riot... I gladly will point out Liukin's bad habits and mistakes.
@ShawnVikaKomova2012 and by the way, if you're referring to my video descriptions I really am not sure who deserved the gold. I would have to look at each routine and calculate a score, but I do think that both Nastia and He deserved first place if hey received the same.
@ShawnVikaKomova2012 yea, nastias dismount was a 0.30 deduction because of leg seperation and flexed feet, and He Kexins dismount was a 0.10 deduction because of the step. But Nastia still had an amazing bar routine.
@theaeggymnat yes but He Kexin did not have leg seperations on every kips, she did not have leg seperations on her pak salto, she did not have bent knees on two giants, she did not have a froggy-flexed feet-cowboyed-low-cheated dismount, she did not have a flat Tkatchev either. Yes Nastia deserved gold, it does not matter if she has form breaks on 99% of her UB routine. She is Nastia, she even deserved Nadia Comaneci's gold.
16 years old my eye! I'm Chinese, and I say this girl is lucky to pass for 12. What a rip off! Of course a 14 year old is more limber and quicker than an 18 year old, so it's easy to win. The whole reason the FIG put age restrictions in was to prevent these kids from hurting themselves...their bones aren't fully developed yet. OUTRAGEOUS! I guess China cares more about gold medals than the health of the athletes.
@lisfong in addition to that, its more than coincidental that its been revealed that china lied about the age of the gymnasts in 2000 (causing them to be stripped of their medal). Yes, gymnasts look younger than they are. Yes, asian women in general look younger than they are. But i really do find it hard to believe that this girl is any older than 13 or 14.
@lisfong Pretty sure the older gymnasts are more prone to injury than the younger ones... Not saying the younger ones aren't, but with all the stretching and impact, it would probably do a lot more damage if a fully developed body was injured, rather than one that can still grow therefore more easily heal the damage.
Real podium- 1st Yang Yilin, 2nd Nastia Liukin, 3rd Beth Tweddle. Uh oh! Where's He Kexin!?!?!? She's busy taking a nap. The about me section of my channel has 2 links about the falsified ages. Now, I don't care. If your gymnast was good enough at age 10 then great! Just don't use them in a competition like this. I hate the age rule and think it should be lifted but while it is on earth, respect it. Yang Yilin you win!
Such a messy execution of high difficulty... i saw at least 4 times when she used strength to regain her swing, step on landing, some really late turns and slightly piked hips on the jaeger... not sure that she should have been scored as highly as this, although such difficulty for someone so small and young is incredible. Tricky...
I just want to know, has she EVER stuck a landing? Every single time that I have ever seen her, she has had a very noticeable step on the dismount. Will she ever fix it?
@ShawnVikaKomova2012 I think that the goal is always to stick the landing. She should try it sometime. The step is such a blemish on her routine. Though maybe I could overlook it if she could get rid of the dead hangs and didn't have to muscle up to every handstand.
Only problem I have witht his routine is the muscled up kips it sstops the flow of the routine 9Oh yeah and the NOT STUCK landing) yet she wins *sigh* owell its better than I could do so...yeah
I think that simply the height this girl reaches on her release moves is incredible she truly is a power house, yes Nastia's routine flowed more and beautiful in an elegant way and each gymnast has her own style and you play to your strengths.
okay all this talk of Yang Yilin deserving it , if she deserved it , she would have won . she missed practically all her handstands , and had an arched back in all her pirouettes , two things Nastia and He Kexin did NOT have . well a couple missed handstands for both but Yang Yilin missed practically every handstand . yeah her legs stayed together but that was about the only thing that would put her routine above Nastia or He Kexin
i think he kexin has an exciting routine but nastias was cleaner and deserved the gold. people always coment on nastias leg seperaation but kexin does it as well. i have nothing against he kexin but i hate her transition from the lb to the hb. it almost looks like a dead hang. +nastia stuck her landing, he took a step
the skills are magnificent, but it just dont think it was as good as nastia's. i thin nastia's was cleaner. yeah i realize nastia's giants are a little sloppy, but kexin had those kips, the low to high bar transition, and the total missed handstand on her last pirouette before the dismout that she also took a step on. Don't get me wrong, Kexin's bars are fantastic, but so is Nastia on this event, and i believe Nastia performed a little better this time around
well ummm melanie marti i think her name is did a skill similar to what you described except she did a front pike from handstand. (i have the video of her 2005 worlds all around bar routine)
@481095ymg2 ah, i see now. somehow i thought it would be cooler than it does. maybe if she didn't hold on the the handstand so long and really take it to flight it may look more dynamic. if someone like Dominque Dawes did it, they could really take it to another level. or maybe its just a boring skill, lol!!!
@benrobinson77 This skill is called a Radochla, and it's worth a D. It was very popular in the 70s when the bars were very close together, and it's very rarely seen at all today because of the distance between the bars.
@pakkurisu ... i think now that the bars are so far apart it would be really interesting to bring that move back to new levels. could be done higher, more dynamic, could be straddled or layed out. im also waiting for someone to do a release move where its basically a flyaway dismount to a blind re-grasp. basically a gienger without the half turn.
@pakkurisu ... actually it just occurred to me ... i remember now what a Radochla was. What i was talking about was different ... doing the cast while facing the high bar and flying over the low bar to catchthe high bar from the top instead of the bottom
The minimum age for female gymnasts was increased from 14 to 15 in 1981, and up to 16 in 1997, to protect the physical and mental health of young athletes.
Nadia Comaneci was 14 when she won her fist Olympic gold medal in 1976. Yet despite her stardom, there were criticisms that young girls were being pushed too hard at an age when their bodies and bones were still growing, causing permanent damage. Ironically her coach was Mr Karolyi.
Bela Karolyi, the former gymnastics coach whose wife, Martha, coaches the US womens team, has repeatedly accused the Chinese of fielding underage female gymnasts. The ages of two other team members have also aroused suspicion: Jiang Yuyuan and Yang Yilin. Time magazine reported that government records, that have since disappeared, showed both girls to be 14. Gymnasts must be 16 to compete
Mike Walker, a computer security expert, told The Times how he tracked down two documents that he says had been removed from a Chinese government website. The documents, he said, stated that Hes birth date was January 1 1994 - making her 14 - and not January 1 1992, which is printed in her passport.
The investigation was triggered as a US computer expert claimed yesterday to have uncovered Chinese government documents that he says prove she is only 14 - making her ineligible to compete in the Olympics - rather than 16, as officials in Beijing insist is her age.
She only got first due to a tie breaker. Liukin and Kexin had exactly the same score prior to that, and there was .033 points difference after the tie breaker.
This is the Olympics, there's a lot of VERY close competition because everyone wants gold.
ok first of all... wikipedia is sometimes wrong... and I heard on the news that she what only 14 and SHE SHOULDN'T HAVE GOTTEN THAT SCORE! I SAW MISTAKES NONE THAT NASTIA DID
Learn to be an FIG internationally qualified judge if you have an issue with it. My level one WAG judging qualification recently lapsed (meaning prior to this year I wa qualified to judge levels 1-3 A, B, and C) and the procedure to get around a tie break is to drop first the highest, then the lowest scores. After dropping the highest, they still tied, so they dropped the lowest, and Kexin won by 0.033 of a point. Look up judging stuff. I bet you can't spot each of the mistakes that cost 0.075.
@R34lH0pe If you think Nastia was flawless, you should really watch this routine again. All of the top athletes in this final had some large deductions, but it seems as if either He or Yang had the least.
@HildeG85 but the thing is it is alot easier to move your body like that when you are 12 years old than when you are over 16. so it is an unfair advantage
hi randomcoolstuff, if it is easier to move the body at that young age than after 16, they should let anybody compete at this level of gymnastics because what it really matters is how well and difficult gymnasts can perform and not the age. Anyways, if you remember and watch other competitions, Nastia was not better when she was younger than she was during this olympic games. This girl in the video does deserve the gold medal.
On October 1, 2008, the FIG ended their second investigation and concluded that He and her teammates from the 2008 Olympic games were old enough to compete.[4] Though some media outlets have voiced doubts about the decision,[5][6][7] the gymnasts have been cleared by the FIG of any wrongdoing.
I wonder how Li Ya would have done if she was on the Chinese team in 2008 and made the uneven bars final. He Kexin makes the Li Ya Salto combination with Jaeger look dynamic but Li Ya made it look graceful.
whether shes 16 or 12, that was a kickass routine. while I wouldn't want any athlete to get away with breaking the rules and think they deserve SOME kind of punishment, Nastia didn't earn the gold that night, this routine did. I do wish Beth medaled though :(
And in case you didn't notice, Shawn Johnson made mistakes that cost her the gold. She was the favorite to win, and had beaten Nastia in all of the major competitions leading up to the Olympics. My "theory", (which actually comes from years and years of direct study by doctors and scientists who conducted field research on the effects of athletics on the body and mind), is not at all "crapped on." Especially not by your lazy logic, poor reasoning and lack of actual knowledge or research.
Let's see, I assume you have analyzed ALL the medal winning gymnastics ages and compared them to the ages of the losers, since the age of the sports participants gradually reduced from mid 30's to teens by the early 70's, correct? Younger gymnasts have historically scored higher and won more medals than older gymnasts. That's why as they get older, they generally retire. It's really quite simple, and science has provided evidence as to why that is.
Because the FIG has no interest in picking a fight with a national sports federation for an Olympic event that occurred in their country. Most in the sports world agreed that FIG made no real effort to get to the bottom of this. FIG merely asked for more gov't docs, which China has forged before to get ineligible athletes into competition. FIG has a long-standing habit of ignoring problems like this and accepting any reason to avoid an embarrassing in-depth investigation. Again, nice try.
Hm, really, because I'm pretty sure that He Kexin is younger than Nastia Liukin. The only gymnast to ever score multiple perfect scores back in the day was 14 years old. I'm also not the only one "implying" that "bone density/soft muscle membrane" in younger gymnasts helps them perform more difficult skills. Doctors and trainers of gymnasts and other athletes, AND other gymnasts themselves, all have said the same thing. So I have science and quantifiable data on my side and you have...
Others have received multiple perfect scores. Shushunova and Silivas did in 88. Dobre (14) scored 3 10s in the 1987 TF. Boginskaya had 2 10s in 1989, as well as Dudnik. Laschenova and Boginskaya both did it in the AA.
Yurchenko and Szabo had 2 10s in the 83 team final (and also the AA). Retton (who I believe would not have won the AA with the soviets) scored 2 10s in 84.
Mostepanova who I believe SHOULD have won the AA had 3 10s in the Comp. and Opt., 4 in the AA, and 2 in EF
In case you hadn't noticed, they changed the way judging works. Perfect scores don't quite exist anymore - though Liukin came very close in her qualifier with 16.900.
Um, I obviously know that. I was referring to a post that said that only people who were 14 years old had ever scored multiple perfect 10s in the same championship or something, which isn't true. They were trying to imply that only younger people could do it.
I believe that the highest execution score that was ever given out was a 9.8, which was liukin at the 2008 pacific rim. Now, they are practically all in the 8s (besides domestic competition, which doesn't count).
also, Liukin's 16.9 was not in the qualifier. she fell on her dismount, remember? that was in the team competition. It might have been the highest score, but I wouldn't say that it was close to a perfect score, because as you said, they don't exist. I think the best you can do is get a 10.0 execution, which they probably will never give out.
He Kexin never had a passport before the Olympic year, so there is no "old passport" to verify her age. Her family said as much when asked. Also, no "family book" was consulted, her school records and residency card were brand new forms (not copies of original documents) furnished by the Chinese gov't, as was her passport original documents. Your side has nothing either. Nice try at sarcasm though.
sometimes gymnastics is not purely on form. sometimes its about the creative elements and the excitement that keeps you off your seat. kexins form was worse, but if you compare her and nastias releases, kexin has LOADS more height. nastias tkatchev was quite flat, while kexins layout yaega and her element gathers a lot of height. but nastia does have better flow, better handstands and hiccup.
whatEVER. at least nastia was old enough to compete! at least 3 different sources listed He's age as 14 and they suspiciously "dissapeared" when the whole controversy started
do u live in china? it annoys me when ppl say she is underage. im 16 and ppl tell me i look 13.
some ppl just look young ok
honestly ppl need to get over this.
now as for the scoring, i believe nastia deserved higher, kexin missed a lot of handstands, and that dead hang hiccup was bad.
the major miistakes nastia made was leg separations in her reverse giants and ugly form in her dismount. but overall i think nastia deserved the gold medal
why should it annoy you when people say she is underage? This is not the kind of thing people should just "get over." Cheating in this way alters the evolution of the sport towards moves that only the smallest lightest competitors can perform, and perform well, making it a detriment for the other countries that obey the age restriction rules. Liukin and several others had to wait another 4 years to compete at the Olympics because they followed those rules, why should anyone else get a pass?
Do you have any exact proof that she was of age? No you don't, which is why that kind of logic is useless in any argument. There are certain aspects of our features that change as we age, that have not changed in her yet- like her eyes and nose, her hairline, etc, post menarche. More often than not, people look young because they ARE young, not the other way around. Also, these sources you want so badly to discredit are not from the US, they came from all over the world.
okay seriously, us said MOST people look young cos they are young. again ASIANS look young, they have small faces generally and even small breasts.
i am asian, 16, people tell me i look 13, i stopped doing gymnastics end of last year and got my menarche beginnin of this year. and im not helping kexin bcos im asian, i think nastia deserved gold but your being too insensitive about her age.
no, menarche itself doesn't wait until 16. The symptoms may not have developed until you stopped training, but the physiological internal change occurs whether or not your training. If you stood next to a 13 year old, I'm sure we could all tell which of you is older, no matter how many people tell you you look 13 (which I don't believe). That's why such an argument is useless. A lot of other changes occur at this time, regardless of how hard you train and she shows no signs of those changes.
you are wrong to judge me, i may have disagreed with you but i didnt judge you.
you are implying that i am lying, and if the internet was not full of sexual predators i would show you pictures. i am asian, we have different contextual backgrounds therefore we cannot come to an agreement. end of story
evangeliin is right. I am asian and i am 18 years old. My little sister is 15 but most people think she is the older one. Almost everyone, literally, everyone thinks i look about 12 years old even though i am in college. Also, this is kind of unrelated but, you'll see if you watch asian dramas that 20-something year olds play the role of 17 and 18 year olds in many of them. My dad is 40-something and some people still ask for his ID when he buys drinks. If you want any more examples...
@majonee15 Ah, but people do think your 15 year old sister is older than you meaning that they think she looks her age. Maybe He could be in the same situation. Also, many tv shows in America have 25 year olds playing 16 year olds. ABC Family is a good example...
The sources you want to discredit, in addition, were not from the US- the information was unearthed from cached backlogs of files deleted from Chinese gov't websites right before the Olympics. They were found by British and German journalists. So trying to disregard this evidence because it's compiled by American media will not win you any arguments. You have not presented any evidence on your end, and it appears that don't plan to, or have any. Grow up a little and you'll understand someday.
please dont tell me to grow up. you keep missing the point that some people naturally look young, even nastia admitted this in an interview on youtube. maybe if you grew up youd understand that sport is not about age but it the spirit of personal achievement. this is like saying a smart child in grade1 can not skip grade 2 because this is unfair to other students who must finsih the year due to age.
No I have not missed the point- you clearly don't understand it, as evidenced by your nonsensical argument about achievement and skipping grades. It IS about age actually, there are reasons it is unfair for children under the age limit to compete- their lower bone density and softer muscle membranes make them uniquely suited for high- scoring elements, an advantage that being older would rob them of. I should blame myself, this is what comes from trying to discuss anything with children.
your argument goes both ways, older people who have gone through growth spurts will have no pain in bones and joints (excluding previous injuries), their power + maturity has fully developed.
assuming from your rude "child" comment, you are an exceptionally mature minded wise person . younger generations will have different views, therefore we keep going around in circles. a "child" like me is going to be mature for once; i acknowledge your points made although i dont agree. don't bother replying, we need to end this once for all.
Nastia and He Kexin are both beautiful gymnasts with beautiful routines! Everyone, STOP saying all this nonsense about these girls. People who say Nastias dismount is too cowboy or the He Kexins kips suck, id like to see you guys do both of those skills. were any of YOU in the olympics? Their both amazing. get over yourselves. rules are rules, theres nothing you guys can do to change them.
one of the judges in my state was a judge for bars in the Olympics! When I helped out in level 8 Regionals I got to meet her...but anyways they got the same exact score so does it matter about the deductions right now? In my opinion Nastia clearly had the better routine,besides the cowboy dismount, and they could have a least gave them both gold.
The only two major errors i saw was the step on the dismount and the struggled kips. Nastias leg came apart on almost every giant if not all. her dimount looks like shes a frog sprawling in the air. her pak was way archy and had a lack of flow. Kexins form is great, nastias could use some work. Nastia is an OUTSTANDING gymnast don't get me wrong, but i just don't like her bar work. But i like Kexins although she isn't particualarly my favorite gymnast.
oh my gosh!!!!! would everyone just SHUT UP about it already and give it a rest!!!!!!!! i'm so sick of everyone arguing back and forth! nothing can be done about it now anyway. it is what it is!
agreed plus He has ALOT more release moves than nastia.Nastia has 3 He has 5....but if gymnast were to get the same score...they both should get gold.
All three medalists had problems. He Kexin was the most dynamic and to me the nicest form overall, though she also had the most noticeable mistakes. Nastia overall has too many little flaws in her general technique - bent knees on each giant, cowboyed dismount, her pak is too archy. Yang Yilin same kind of routine as Nastia, with the worst kips of the three by far. Also, anyone notice her Tkatchev is always sort of crooked. And both Yang and Nastia, their routines are kind of long and rambling.
Nastia did not have bent knees on her giants. The only noticeable errors were her arched back and the knees coming apart at times, which He did just as frequently. He also did not have good flow, often falling into dead weight positions and muscling her way into her handstands instead of swinging from element to element- those are supposed to be HUGE deductions that the Chinese team is historically most guilty of. Though the judges are selective about where and to whom they apply it.
I think the order sould have been 1-Nastia 2-Yang Yilin and 3-He kexin. I mean I know that nastia's dismount was cowboyed but she sticked it and her routine in bars was really great to and yang yilin's kips werent really great but she had a great routine and a sticked dismount but he kexin's kips werent good at all and she dident sticked her dismount. So Nastia and yang had both 1 major deduction while he kexin had 2.nd I think nastia's routine was better than yang becoz it looked more natural.
I think He and Nastia should have both got gold. Since they tied, it's not really fair to say one is better than the other. They both deserved gold, and if it wasn't for the messed up judges system, they both would have.
I agreed too. The tie breaking system is too confusing and nobody really understands it. But at a large competition like the Olympics, tying is not allowed, though it should be. They both are amazing bar workers and deserved gold. If they competed again, Nastia would have won. And a third time, He would have won and a fourth time, Nastia would have won. They are so close in talent, it's amazing!
I agree, she doesn't deserve gold. Yang Yilin deserves gold, and Nastia second. Her kips are horrible, and her legs separate on some of her pirouettes.
you know what her and nastia tied its just some stupid scoring system that separeted the scores, i think that they both deserve a gold there both amazing if it was up to me i wud of cut the medal in half and given it to them lmao
Nastia is 5''3' so she does straddled giants that several taller gymnasts use, like Svetlana Khorkina, because it gives her more power and momentum to reach her handstands and it also prevents her from both dragging her legs accross the floor and hitting the lower bar. As for her body position you'd have to be blind to not see how straight her body is, although she pikes a little bit to not hit the lower bar, which I do not think is deduction.
For a female gymnast, horrible toe points, leg separations, cross legs are all DEDUCTIONS, but the judgers never really took enough deductions from her. Dont say she has to due to her height, Svetlana wasn't always separate her legs in the invert giants, at least not 5 times per routine.
he kexin is obvsly lacking skills, and she does NOT deserve a 9.025. on the other hand, liukin perfects every move and deserved the 1st place; gold medal
He Kexin lacks skills? Really? It's funny because I didn't see anyone else try a Li Ya, a straight Jaeger and a Tchachev-Pak. True, she had her flaws, true 9.025 seems too high, but Nastia had some very visible mistakes as well (leg separations, bent knees, cowboy on the dismount, etc). The gymnast who deserved the gold medal was actually Yang Yilin. She obviously had the best execution of all (both Nastia and Kexin seemed to agree that she deserved 1st place).
I would have placed 1)Yang Yilin, 2) He Kexin, 3) Nastia Liukina (but I would've preferred if they had tied for silver; stupid IOC rules!). That said, I'm glad He Kexin won because she and Beth Tweddle had the most exciting routines (I prefer release moves in combination rather than pirouetting skills in combination).
you know what's even funnier- both He and Yang did not get deductions for dead hangs muscled into handstands- that should have placed them out of contention for any medal. Just because those errors weren't as ugly as other errors doesn't mean they didn't happen.
He Kexin had a B score of 9.025 and Yang Yilin, who hit the best handstands BTW, scored below 9.0. They were definitely deducted for muscling up their kips (especially Yang Yilin who didn't have any obvious form breaks).
@AnnaPavlovaFan Yes. He Kexin lifted her up and had her wave to the audience, and Nastia gave a look of disgust when YYL's scores came up. (the same look she gave when she found out she lost bars in 2006)
the release at : 36 is epic!!!
rachelfaith1997 1 month ago
she is underaged
jcmcn61 1 month ago
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He Kexin ALWAYS has dead hangs! After every single release, transfer etc. she has to muscle her way up!
3 leg separations is way less than 4 dead hangs. Her transfer ALWAYS looks strained. Her handstands are not nearly as straight as Nastia's. No one's are. She would've gotten 0.1 deduction for ALL of her handstands! Hexin had more height on the Tkachev, -0.2 for Nastia.
Both had leg separations on their Paks. Both had steps on their landing; Nastia gets 0.2 deduction for form.
cheddarpretzels 2 months ago
@cheddarpretzels her dead hand are because of her height
romonabruno 2 months ago
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@romonabruno Does it mean she won't get deducted for it? No.
cheddarpretzels 2 months ago
@romonabruno No, not necessarily. There are plenty of short Russians who have fine kips... What is Kexin's excuse now? She's certainly grown since Beijing...
ShawnVikaKomova2012 1 month ago
Neat to see He do a half-twist at the end of the Jaeger. I'm just wondering has anyone done a half-twist at the ed of the Gienger? And who's it named after?
JonnyTainment 2 months ago
@JonnyTainment Li Ya.
ShawnVikaKomova2012 1 month ago
Li Ya did the very same move at 0:24 in 2007 Maribor and NO ONE payed attention, now He Kexin does it and she's the queen...
brdbarreira 2 months ago
@brdbarreira Yep, I remembered that... I would've rather seen Li in Beijing... Especially if she was clearly of age...
ShawnVikaKomova2012 1 month ago
He Kexin goshh!
atirgi1 3 months ago
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I find it VERY odd that once this American journalist uncovered the TRUTH on the Official Chinese Arbitration of Sport website where it CLEARLY LISTED SEVERAL PLACES that He Kexin was 13 in 2007.......that the documents were "mysteriously" disappearing off of the Official website.
The Chinese were CLEARLY trying to cover their tracks and quickly deleting everything that this journalist found. Just like in 2000, one day He or someone will slip up and they'll get STRIPPED of their gold medal
ChavaAyanna 3 months ago
u-n-b-e-l-i-e-v-e
DrDiogo84 3 months ago
0:26 great audience reaction
musikelxx 4 months ago
i cant understand why people hate on nastia so much. that one skill at the end of this routine is so far past the handstand its ridiculous and her legs def flew apart on the dismount AND she took a step on the landing. nastia shouldve won imo.
fishdude77 6 months ago
this was amazing, but almost to the point of being unsafe.... a couple of those skills should have had a giant between them IMO, but amazing nevertheless
SupernaturalLover67 6 months ago
@MaddieBee223 Results should've been, in my opinion:
1. Yang Yilin
2. He Kexin
3. Ksenia Semenova
4. Beth Tweddle
5. Nastia Liukin
ShawnVikaKomova2012 6 months ago
@ShawnVikaKomova2012 hahahahahaha how humorous. if only you knew how to take deductions....
481095ymg2 6 months ago
@481095ymg2 I'm very strict. You obviously don't know how to take deductions if you think Liukin deserved gold... Haha that's just funny itself..
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@ShawnVikaKomova2012 i don't know who should have.... but you clearly are not "strict" or really know how to take deductions at all if you think that yang yilin should have had a higher b score than he kexin and that ksenia semenova could have had more than a .4 advantage over beth tweddle in b score and that ksenia could have had a higher b score than liukin at all... if you think these standings are correct you should do some serious revisiting of the code of points.. or maybe just visiting
481095ymg2 6 months ago
@481095ymg2 I am strict and I had over 23 thumbs up on a Wieber bars video that I critiqued and pointed out her flaws. Top comment. Besides, you are oblivious to Liukin's mistakes. If you read the CoP, you'd understand them. Would you like me to point out all of the places Liukin should be deducted? I will if you want. It's funny how you don't realize them and yet you're to say that I need to read the CoP again! You're a riot... I gladly will point out Liukin's bad habits and mistakes.
ShawnVikaKomova2012 5 months ago
@ShawnVikaKomova2012 and by the way, if you're referring to my video descriptions I really am not sure who deserved the gold. I would have to look at each routine and calculate a score, but I do think that both Nastia and He deserved first place if hey received the same.
481095ymg2 6 months ago
@ShawnVikaKomova2012 yea, nastias dismount was a 0.30 deduction because of leg seperation and flexed feet, and He Kexins dismount was a 0.10 deduction because of the step. But Nastia still had an amazing bar routine.
TheZwinkyStuff 1 month ago
@TheZwinkyStuff Liukin's bar dismount is excessively cowboyed (-.3), and with flexed feet (-.1).
ShawnVikaKomova2012 1 month ago
Ninguém faz igual!!
olgafre 6 months ago
Her hair is perfect! The gymnastics is great too but just look at her perfect hair. I want her hair!
Stonymypony 7 months ago
@theaeggymnat yes but He Kexin did not have leg seperations on every kips, she did not have leg seperations on her pak salto, she did not have bent knees on two giants, she did not have a froggy-flexed feet-cowboyed-low-cheated dismount, she did not have a flat Tkatchev either. Yes Nastia deserved gold, it does not matter if she has form breaks on 99% of her UB routine. She is Nastia, she even deserved Nadia Comaneci's gold.
Missnewyork28 8 months ago 7
16 years old my eye! I'm Chinese, and I say this girl is lucky to pass for 12. What a rip off! Of course a 14 year old is more limber and quicker than an 18 year old, so it's easy to win. The whole reason the FIG put age restrictions in was to prevent these kids from hurting themselves...their bones aren't fully developed yet. OUTRAGEOUS! I guess China cares more about gold medals than the health of the athletes.
lisfong 8 months ago
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HyukJaeLove 8 months ago
@lisfong in addition to that, its more than coincidental that its been revealed that china lied about the age of the gymnasts in 2000 (causing them to be stripped of their medal). Yes, gymnasts look younger than they are. Yes, asian women in general look younger than they are. But i really do find it hard to believe that this girl is any older than 13 or 14.
itsbeccaforreals 7 months ago
@lisfong Pretty sure the older gymnasts are more prone to injury than the younger ones... Not saying the younger ones aren't, but with all the stretching and impact, it would probably do a lot more damage if a fully developed body was injured, rather than one that can still grow therefore more easily heal the damage.
bernardmvella 3 months ago
Here's how I would put it:
Gold: Yang Yilin
Silver: Beth Tweddle
Bronze: He Kexin & Nastia Liukin
uvahooful 9 months ago
Real podium- 1st Yang Yilin, 2nd Nastia Liukin, 3rd Beth Tweddle. Uh oh! Where's He Kexin!?!?!? She's busy taking a nap. The about me section of my channel has 2 links about the falsified ages. Now, I don't care. If your gymnast was good enough at age 10 then great! Just don't use them in a competition like this. I hate the age rule and think it should be lifted but while it is on earth, respect it. Yang Yilin you win!
ShawnVikaKomova2012 9 months ago
Such a messy execution of high difficulty... i saw at least 4 times when she used strength to regain her swing, step on landing, some really late turns and slightly piked hips on the jaeger... not sure that she should have been scored as highly as this, although such difficulty for someone so small and young is incredible. Tricky...
artyowen92 9 months ago
can't believe this tied with nastia >:(
gymmonkeyK 10 months ago
@gymmonkeyK true a real insult to Kexin
Missnewyork28 10 months ago
the epitome of perfect form. love it!
rishea92 10 months ago
I'm glad she won gold, even if the media were saying she should lose it for being underage
Solyle37 11 months ago
I just want to know, has she EVER stuck a landing? Every single time that I have ever seen her, she has had a very noticeable step on the dismount. Will she ever fix it?
TinyAva93 11 months ago
@TinyAva93 Well when you connect it to an E level pirouette, I think you're not expected to stick.
ShawnVikaKomova2012 9 months ago
@ShawnVikaKomova2012 I think that the goal is always to stick the landing. She should try it sometime. The step is such a blemish on her routine. Though maybe I could overlook it if she could get rid of the dead hangs and didn't have to muscle up to every handstand.
TinyAva93 9 months ago
@TinyAva93 No. The goal isn't always to stick the landing. Sure it looks more impressive but it's .1 off whereas a deadhang can be .5 off.
ShawnVikaKomova2012 9 months ago
OH MY GOSH BEAUTIFUL COMANECI DISMOUNT
oh and GOLD GOLD GOLD
beibhui 1 year ago
@beibhui isnt a comaneci
TheOrlandocool 1 year ago
OH MY GOSH BEAUTIFUL COMANECI DISMOUNT
beibhui 1 year ago
@MsStickIt 16...we think...
danicabrooke 1 year ago
Only problem I have witht his routine is the muscled up kips it sstops the flow of the routine 9Oh yeah and the NOT STUCK landing) yet she wins *sigh* owell its better than I could do so...yeah
danicabrooke 1 year ago
@danicabrooke Yep....but she IS getting better at the kips.
Yuri92001 11 months ago
o.m.g the commentator... T____T
luan200688 1 year ago
Chuck Norris of Uneven bars!!!!
bookiewormie1 1 year ago
idk why but for some reason bars and beam are extremely competitive every competition :)
LuckyInfinity 1 year ago
her first release move is incredible!!
tatulover2120 1 year ago
chinese team is not the only one change their ages. in fact, this unusual motion is usual in this sport... it's rule.
ebonysari 1 year ago
GUYS i get it, he kexin is good, but all the chinese gymnasts moves are almost robotic unlike nastias whose are free and like a ballerinas
guys.... i just dont like the chinese team
Angel9837 1 year ago
stop at :25 see how high she is when she FINISHES her release move most gymnasts would be lucky to SET that high! great!
peepers2221 1 year ago
I think that simply the height this girl reaches on her release moves is incredible she truly is a power house, yes Nastia's routine flowed more and beautiful in an elegant way and each gymnast has her own style and you play to your strengths.
clockworkangel100 1 year ago
I'm glad they found out her real age! She had to give up her medel
kenniepie 1 year ago
@kenniepie no...that was 2004 team
danicabrooke 1 year ago
okay all this talk of Yang Yilin deserving it , if she deserved it , she would have won . she missed practically all her handstands , and had an arched back in all her pirouettes , two things Nastia and He Kexin did NOT have . well a couple missed handstands for both but Yang Yilin missed practically every handstand . yeah her legs stayed together but that was about the only thing that would put her routine above Nastia or He Kexin
freeBITCH0 1 year ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
There is a zero percent chance that girl is 16. The Chinese breaking the rules and fudging their ages disgusts me.
msbunnypaws 1 year ago
i think he kexin has an exciting routine but nastias was cleaner and deserved the gold. people always coment on nastias leg seperaation but kexin does it as well. i have nothing against he kexin but i hate her transition from the lb to the hb. it almost looks like a dead hang. +nastia stuck her landing, he took a step
TheBeCreative2 1 year ago
@TheBeCreative2 Nastia took a step as well. She also landed with legs apart. Watch the slo mo.
macassar88 1 year ago
Her moves are so clean cut and she's really pretty. I wish she woulda stuck her landing, then her whole routine would be beautiful...IMO
MeowcatBissy 1 year ago
the skills are magnificent, but it just dont think it was as good as nastia's. i thin nastia's was cleaner. yeah i realize nastia's giants are a little sloppy, but kexin had those kips, the low to high bar transition, and the total missed handstand on her last pirouette before the dismout that she also took a step on. Don't get me wrong, Kexin's bars are fantastic, but so is Nastia on this event, and i believe Nastia performed a little better this time around
stargymnast4224 1 year ago
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Yuri92001 1 year ago
is this the uneven bars that caused her to win? she was great
carla0485 1 year ago
At 1:06 toward the bottom of the screen is a guy in a white shirt and a lady in a yellow shirt in blond hair - that's Anna Liukin/Kotchekova!
ChainChomp2 1 year ago
Idea for a new transition move ... from low bar, cast to Comaneci flip over the low bar to catch on the high bar. I wonder what it would be worth.
benrobinson77 1 year ago
well ummm melanie marti i think her name is did a skill similar to what you described except she did a front pike from handstand. (i have the video of her 2005 worlds all around bar routine)
481095ymg2 1 year ago
@481095ymg2 ah, i see now. somehow i thought it would be cooler than it does. maybe if she didn't hold on the the handstand so long and really take it to flight it may look more dynamic. if someone like Dominque Dawes did it, they could really take it to another level. or maybe its just a boring skill, lol!!!
benrobinson77 1 year ago
@benrobinson77 yeah but it would be more difficult if the gymnast initiated the salto from cast instead of a handstand
481095ymg2 1 year ago
@benrobinson77 This skill is called a Radochla, and it's worth a D. It was very popular in the 70s when the bars were very close together, and it's very rarely seen at all today because of the distance between the bars.
pakkurisu 1 year ago
@pakkurisu ... i think now that the bars are so far apart it would be really interesting to bring that move back to new levels. could be done higher, more dynamic, could be straddled or layed out. im also waiting for someone to do a release move where its basically a flyaway dismount to a blind re-grasp. basically a gienger without the half turn.
benrobinson77 1 year ago
@pakkurisu ... actually it just occurred to me ... i remember now what a Radochla was. What i was talking about was different ... doing the cast while facing the high bar and flying over the low bar to catchthe high bar from the top instead of the bottom
benrobinson77 1 year ago
@benrobinson77
I think that is already done by a soviet-gymnast I doný know her name but you can see her in some gymnastics montages ;)
MrJST94 9 months ago
The minimum age for female gymnasts was increased from 14 to 15 in 1981, and up to 16 in 1997, to protect the physical and mental health of young athletes.
Nadia Comaneci was 14 when she won her fist Olympic gold medal in 1976. Yet despite her stardom, there were criticisms that young girls were being pushed too hard at an age when their bodies and bones were still growing, causing permanent damage. Ironically her coach was Mr Karolyi.
R34lH0pe 1 year ago
Bela Karolyi, the former gymnastics coach whose wife, Martha, coaches the US womens team, has repeatedly accused the Chinese of fielding underage female gymnasts. The ages of two other team members have also aroused suspicion: Jiang Yuyuan and Yang Yilin. Time magazine reported that government records, that have since disappeared, showed both girls to be 14. Gymnasts must be 16 to compete
R34lH0pe 1 year ago
Mike Walker, a computer security expert, told The Times how he tracked down two documents that he says had been removed from a Chinese government website. The documents, he said, stated that Hes birth date was January 1 1994 - making her 14 - and not January 1 1992, which is printed in her passport.
R34lH0pe 1 year ago
The investigation was triggered as a US computer expert claimed yesterday to have uncovered Chinese government documents that he says prove she is only 14 - making her ineligible to compete in the Olympics - rather than 16, as officials in Beijing insist is her age.
R34lH0pe 1 year ago
oh please... I heard this on the news.. noob and I bet I know 10x more than u...
R34lH0pe 1 year ago
I think she didn't deserve first place, Nastia's bar routine was better and she sticked the dismount, she took a step and landed with her arms down
R34lH0pe 1 year ago
She only got first due to a tie breaker. Liukin and Kexin had exactly the same score prior to that, and there was .033 points difference after the tie breaker.
This is the Olympics, there's a lot of VERY close competition because everyone wants gold.
thepirateoftheninja 1 year ago
ok first of all... wikipedia is sometimes wrong... and I heard on the news that she what only 14 and SHE SHOULDN'T HAVE GOTTEN THAT SCORE! I SAW MISTAKES NONE THAT NASTIA DID
R34lH0pe 1 year ago
Learn to be an FIG internationally qualified judge if you have an issue with it. My level one WAG judging qualification recently lapsed (meaning prior to this year I wa qualified to judge levels 1-3 A, B, and C) and the procedure to get around a tie break is to drop first the highest, then the lowest scores. After dropping the highest, they still tied, so they dropped the lowest, and Kexin won by 0.033 of a point. Look up judging stuff. I bet you can't spot each of the mistakes that cost 0.075.
thepirateoftheninja 1 year ago
um at the elite level the lowest deduction is 0.10, not 0.075.
481095ymg2 1 year ago
HINT: there's some in each routine, as each gymnast lost I think either 0.075 or 0.75 on their execution score. They had the same A score.
thepirateoftheninja 1 year ago
@R34lH0pe If you think Nastia was flawless, you should really watch this routine again. All of the top athletes in this final had some large deductions, but it seems as if either He or Yang had the least.
MaebySurelyBarely 1 year ago
they found out that she was only 14.
R34lH0pe 1 year ago
@HildeG85 but the thing is it is alot easier to move your body like that when you are 12 years old than when you are over 16. so it is an unfair advantage
randomcoolstuff 1 year ago
hi randomcoolstuff, if it is easier to move the body at that young age than after 16, they should let anybody compete at this level of gymnastics because what it really matters is how well and difficult gymnasts can perform and not the age. Anyways, if you remember and watch other competitions, Nastia was not better when she was younger than she was during this olympic games. This girl in the video does deserve the gold medal.
1Timoteo41 1 year ago 2
That is one amazing 12 year old!
lawofjude 2 years ago
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R34lH0pe 1 year ago
Quote from Wikipedia:
On October 1, 2008, the FIG ended their second investigation and concluded that He and her teammates from the 2008 Olympic games were old enough to compete.[4] Though some media outlets have voiced doubts about the decision,[5][6][7] the gymnasts have been cleared by the FIG of any wrongdoing.
They were old enough to compete. Live with it.
thepirateoftheninja 1 year ago
amazing amazing athlete!
bozicris 2 years ago 2
I wonder how Li Ya would have done if she was on the Chinese team in 2008 and made the uneven bars final. He Kexin makes the Li Ya Salto combination with Jaeger look dynamic but Li Ya made it look graceful.
markedexclusive 2 years ago
i love thiis video for h kexin is incredible
gisandbren 2 years ago 10
whether shes 16 or 12, that was a kickass routine. while I wouldn't want any athlete to get away with breaking the rules and think they deserve SOME kind of punishment, Nastia didn't earn the gold that night, this routine did. I do wish Beth medaled though :(
comanecisalto1 2 years ago 3
or memmel
481095ymg2 2 years ago
And in case you didn't notice, Shawn Johnson made mistakes that cost her the gold. She was the favorite to win, and had beaten Nastia in all of the major competitions leading up to the Olympics. My "theory", (which actually comes from years and years of direct study by doctors and scientists who conducted field research on the effects of athletics on the body and mind), is not at all "crapped on." Especially not by your lazy logic, poor reasoning and lack of actual knowledge or research.
samiracle 2 years ago
Let's see, I assume you have analyzed ALL the medal winning gymnastics ages and compared them to the ages of the losers, since the age of the sports participants gradually reduced from mid 30's to teens by the early 70's, correct? Younger gymnasts have historically scored higher and won more medals than older gymnasts. That's why as they get older, they generally retire. It's really quite simple, and science has provided evidence as to why that is.
samiracle 2 years ago
Because the FIG has no interest in picking a fight with a national sports federation for an Olympic event that occurred in their country. Most in the sports world agreed that FIG made no real effort to get to the bottom of this. FIG merely asked for more gov't docs, which China has forged before to get ineligible athletes into competition. FIG has a long-standing habit of ignoring problems like this and accepting any reason to avoid an embarrassing in-depth investigation. Again, nice try.
samiracle 2 years ago
Hm, really, because I'm pretty sure that He Kexin is younger than Nastia Liukin. The only gymnast to ever score multiple perfect scores back in the day was 14 years old. I'm also not the only one "implying" that "bone density/soft muscle membrane" in younger gymnasts helps them perform more difficult skills. Doctors and trainers of gymnasts and other athletes, AND other gymnasts themselves, all have said the same thing. So I have science and quantifiable data on my side and you have...
samiracle 2 years ago
Others have received multiple perfect scores. Shushunova and Silivas did in 88. Dobre (14) scored 3 10s in the 1987 TF. Boginskaya had 2 10s in 1989, as well as Dudnik. Laschenova and Boginskaya both did it in the AA.
Yurchenko and Szabo had 2 10s in the 83 team final (and also the AA). Retton (who I believe would not have won the AA with the soviets) scored 2 10s in 84.
Mostepanova who I believe SHOULD have won the AA had 3 10s in the Comp. and Opt., 4 in the AA, and 2 in EF
javajunkie6 1 year ago
In case you hadn't noticed, they changed the way judging works. Perfect scores don't quite exist anymore - though Liukin came very close in her qualifier with 16.900.
thepirateoftheninja 1 year ago
Um, I obviously know that. I was referring to a post that said that only people who were 14 years old had ever scored multiple perfect 10s in the same championship or something, which isn't true. They were trying to imply that only younger people could do it.
I believe that the highest execution score that was ever given out was a 9.8, which was liukin at the 2008 pacific rim. Now, they are practically all in the 8s (besides domestic competition, which doesn't count).
javajunkie6 1 year ago
also, Liukin's 16.9 was not in the qualifier. she fell on her dismount, remember? that was in the team competition. It might have been the highest score, but I wouldn't say that it was close to a perfect score, because as you said, they don't exist. I think the best you can do is get a 10.0 execution, which they probably will never give out.
javajunkie6 1 year ago
He Kexin never had a passport before the Olympic year, so there is no "old passport" to verify her age. Her family said as much when asked. Also, no "family book" was consulted, her school records and residency card were brand new forms (not copies of original documents) furnished by the Chinese gov't, as was her passport original documents. Your side has nothing either. Nice try at sarcasm though.
samiracle 2 years ago
sometimes gymnastics is not purely on form. sometimes its about the creative elements and the excitement that keeps you off your seat. kexins form was worse, but if you compare her and nastias releases, kexin has LOADS more height. nastias tkatchev was quite flat, while kexins layout yaega and her element gathers a lot of height. but nastia does have better flow, better handstands and hiccup.
ACeltiicHeart 2 years ago 2
that was a great routine. I love the second release skill.
did anyone else notice that her eyebrows are uneven :|
skkkankkfacee 2 years ago
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He Kexin shouldnt of won.
Her and Nastia had the same A and B score. Which means Nastia should of got a gold aswell.
And watching both videos, Nastia was much better. He Kexins kips suck. And had a step on Landing.
Nastia was awesome. And she didnt lie about her age. Oh and shes mega hot.
Down with CHINA.
mattiehenFTW 2 years ago
lol agreed although kexin's release moves are amazing!
tatulover2120 2 years ago
Neither of them should've won. Yang Yillin was better that day.
Gymchamp2 2 years ago 3
she shouldnt have won
BlackSharpies 2 years ago
i love he kexin's releases :] theyre so cool!
purplelover81 2 years ago 4
the new code is out now, judgeing by the new code, he's difficulty will be 7.1, Nastia's will only be 6.2 LOL
liweiwei2008 2 years ago
um... no. he kexin's is 7.4, nastia's is probably going to be somewhere around 6.7, 6.8
481095ymg2 2 years ago
whatEVER. at least nastia was old enough to compete! at least 3 different sources listed He's age as 14 and they suspiciously "dissapeared" when the whole controversy started
BrittanyxKilla 2 years ago
there u go sources,
do u live in china? it annoys me when ppl say she is underage. im 16 and ppl tell me i look 13.
some ppl just look young ok
honestly ppl need to get over this.
now as for the scoring, i believe nastia deserved higher, kexin missed a lot of handstands, and that dead hang hiccup was bad.
the major miistakes nastia made was leg separations in her reverse giants and ugly form in her dismount. but overall i think nastia deserved the gold medal
Evangeliin3 2 years ago
why should it annoy you when people say she is underage? This is not the kind of thing people should just "get over." Cheating in this way alters the evolution of the sport towards moves that only the smallest lightest competitors can perform, and perform well, making it a detriment for the other countries that obey the age restriction rules. Liukin and several others had to wait another 4 years to compete at the Olympics because they followed those rules, why should anyone else get a pass?
samiracle 2 years ago
my point is do you have any exact proof or evidence that kexin is underage other than american sources or websites.
texts like those are not neutral and they will exaggerate or write whatever will keep people reading.
again, some people look young! especially asian girls because they are petite and naturally small.
dont judge a book by its cover, again, ppl tell me i look 13 max when in fact i am 16.
Evangeliin3 2 years ago 2
Do you have any exact proof that she was of age? No you don't, which is why that kind of logic is useless in any argument. There are certain aspects of our features that change as we age, that have not changed in her yet- like her eyes and nose, her hairline, etc, post menarche. More often than not, people look young because they ARE young, not the other way around. Also, these sources you want so badly to discredit are not from the US, they came from all over the world.
samiracle 2 years ago
okay seriously, us said MOST people look young cos they are young. again ASIANS look young, they have small faces generally and even small breasts.
i am asian, 16, people tell me i look 13, i stopped doing gymnastics end of last year and got my menarche beginnin of this year. and im not helping kexin bcos im asian, i think nastia deserved gold but your being too insensitive about her age.
Evangeliin3 2 years ago
no, menarche itself doesn't wait until 16. The symptoms may not have developed until you stopped training, but the physiological internal change occurs whether or not your training. If you stood next to a 13 year old, I'm sure we could all tell which of you is older, no matter how many people tell you you look 13 (which I don't believe). That's why such an argument is useless. A lot of other changes occur at this time, regardless of how hard you train and she shows no signs of those changes.
samiracle 2 years ago
you are wrong to judge me, i may have disagreed with you but i didnt judge you.
you are implying that i am lying, and if the internet was not full of sexual predators i would show you pictures. i am asian, we have different contextual backgrounds therefore we cannot come to an agreement. end of story
ACeltiicHeart 2 years ago
evangeliin is right. I am asian and i am 18 years old. My little sister is 15 but most people think she is the older one. Almost everyone, literally, everyone thinks i look about 12 years old even though i am in college. Also, this is kind of unrelated but, you'll see if you watch asian dramas that 20-something year olds play the role of 17 and 18 year olds in many of them. My dad is 40-something and some people still ask for his ID when he buys drinks. If you want any more examples...
majonee15 1 year ago 13
@majonee15 Ah, but people do think your 15 year old sister is older than you meaning that they think she looks her age. Maybe He could be in the same situation. Also, many tv shows in America have 25 year olds playing 16 year olds. ABC Family is a good example...
ShawnVikaKomova2012 5 months ago
The sources you want to discredit, in addition, were not from the US- the information was unearthed from cached backlogs of files deleted from Chinese gov't websites right before the Olympics. They were found by British and German journalists. So trying to disregard this evidence because it's compiled by American media will not win you any arguments. You have not presented any evidence on your end, and it appears that don't plan to, or have any. Grow up a little and you'll understand someday.
samiracle 2 years ago
please dont tell me to grow up. you keep missing the point that some people naturally look young, even nastia admitted this in an interview on youtube. maybe if you grew up youd understand that sport is not about age but it the spirit of personal achievement. this is like saying a smart child in grade1 can not skip grade 2 because this is unfair to other students who must finsih the year due to age.
Evangeliin3 2 years ago 2
No I have not missed the point- you clearly don't understand it, as evidenced by your nonsensical argument about achievement and skipping grades. It IS about age actually, there are reasons it is unfair for children under the age limit to compete- their lower bone density and softer muscle membranes make them uniquely suited for high- scoring elements, an advantage that being older would rob them of. I should blame myself, this is what comes from trying to discuss anything with children.
samiracle 2 years ago
your argument goes both ways, older people who have gone through growth spurts will have no pain in bones and joints (excluding previous injuries), their power + maturity has fully developed.
ACeltiicHeart 2 years ago
assuming from your rude "child" comment, you are an exceptionally mature minded wise person . younger generations will have different views, therefore we keep going around in circles. a "child" like me is going to be mature for once; i acknowledge your points made although i dont agree. don't bother replying, we need to end this once for all.
ACeltiicHeart 2 years ago
Nastia and He Kexin are both beautiful gymnasts with beautiful routines! Everyone, STOP saying all this nonsense about these girls. People who say Nastias dismount is too cowboy or the He Kexins kips suck, id like to see you guys do both of those skills. were any of YOU in the olympics? Their both amazing. get over yourselves. rules are rules, theres nothing you guys can do to change them.
GymnastBlood 2 years ago 17
but i really believe that most people who watch this know about gymnastics a little and it is easy for us to say who has better styles or does not...
morenodelaorilla 2 years ago
agreed!
tatulover2120 2 years ago
ITA
ljss123 2 years ago
one of the judges in my state was a judge for bars in the Olympics! When I helped out in level 8 Regionals I got to meet her...but anyways they got the same exact score so does it matter about the deductions right now? In my opinion Nastia clearly had the better routine,besides the cowboy dismount, and they could have a least gave them both gold.
gugymnast101 2 years ago
The only two major errors i saw was the step on the dismount and the struggled kips. Nastias leg came apart on almost every giant if not all. her dimount looks like shes a frog sprawling in the air. her pak was way archy and had a lack of flow. Kexins form is great, nastias could use some work. Nastia is an OUTSTANDING gymnast don't get me wrong, but i just don't like her bar work. But i like Kexins although she isn't particualarly my favorite gymnast.
ninjachild5 2 years ago 18
oh my gosh!!!!! would everyone just SHUT UP about it already and give it a rest!!!!!!!! i'm so sick of everyone arguing back and forth! nothing can be done about it now anyway. it is what it is!
481095ymg2 2 years ago
agreed plus He has ALOT more release moves than nastia.Nastia has 3 He has 5....but if gymnast were to get the same score...they both should get gold.
tatulover2120 2 years ago
It doesn't matter how many release moves a gymnast has. What matters is the A start value. Their start value was the same.
casalazar10 2 years ago
no thats not what i mean...i mean like how is nastia's bar routine as hard as he kexins....the release moves make the routine harder
tatulover2120 2 years ago
@ninjachild5 when she do the cast in my opinion she lose 0.3
TheOrlandocool 1 year ago
All three medalists had problems. He Kexin was the most dynamic and to me the nicest form overall, though she also had the most noticeable mistakes. Nastia overall has too many little flaws in her general technique - bent knees on each giant, cowboyed dismount, her pak is too archy. Yang Yilin same kind of routine as Nastia, with the worst kips of the three by far. Also, anyone notice her Tkatchev is always sort of crooked. And both Yang and Nastia, their routines are kind of long and rambling.
feefifofum99 2 years ago
Nastia did not have bent knees on her giants. The only noticeable errors were her arched back and the knees coming apart at times, which He did just as frequently. He also did not have good flow, often falling into dead weight positions and muscling her way into her handstands instead of swinging from element to element- those are supposed to be HUGE deductions that the Chinese team is historically most guilty of. Though the judges are selective about where and to whom they apply it.
samiracle 2 years ago
god her kips suck
tumblindrums10 2 years ago
I think her release skills are performed really well but the dead hang when she comes back up from the low bar gets me every time
mishmash151 2 years ago
I think the order sould have been 1-Nastia 2-Yang Yilin and 3-He kexin. I mean I know that nastia's dismount was cowboyed but she sticked it and her routine in bars was really great to and yang yilin's kips werent really great but she had a great routine and a sticked dismount but he kexin's kips werent good at all and she dident sticked her dismount. So Nastia and yang had both 1 major deduction while he kexin had 2.nd I think nastia's routine was better than yang becoz it looked more natural.
gymnast0010 2 years ago
oh my gosh that has got to be the best comment that i have ever read. : )
481095ymg2 2 years ago
I think He and Nastia should have both got gold. Since they tied, it's not really fair to say one is better than the other. They both deserved gold, and if it wasn't for the messed up judges system, they both would have.
redsoxhater101 2 years ago 5
I totally agree.
HUGSgymnastics247 2 years ago
I agreed too. The tie breaking system is too confusing and nobody really understands it. But at a large competition like the Olympics, tying is not allowed, though it should be. They both are amazing bar workers and deserved gold. If they competed again, Nastia would have won. And a third time, He would have won and a fourth time, Nastia would have won. They are so close in talent, it's amazing!
theghastlypirate 2 years ago
Tremendous!
jaszmina9 2 years ago
Her kips are just ridicilously awfull.. But here releases really are wonderfull (especially that layed-out Jeager)
But it wasn't werth gold though..
NzenitraM 2 years ago
finally someone who gets it!!!!!!!!
481095ymg2 2 years ago
I completely agree with you, NzentiraM. You took the words right out of my mouth.
cindyirene2001 2 years ago
I agree, she doesn't deserve gold. Yang Yilin deserves gold, and Nastia second. Her kips are horrible, and her legs separate on some of her pirouettes.
greenkiwi689 2 years ago 2
HER KIPS ARE SO MUSCLEDDD!!!
omg how can this be gold
intergalacticmutiny 2 years ago
i know. that's what i've been saying all along:)
481095ymg2 2 years ago
you know what her and nastia tied its just some stupid scoring system that separeted the scores, i think that they both deserve a gold there both amazing if it was up to me i wud of cut the medal in half and given it to them lmao
SarahJaaaaane 2 years ago
she deserved the gold
sochisochi 2 years ago 6
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I would have liked
1 Nastia Liukin
2 Yang Yilin tied with Beth Tweddle
3 Ksenia Semenove
TsubasaDreams 2 years ago
i completely agree. i'm really not sure that i would've awarded he kexin a medal.
481095ymg2 2 years ago
Nastia is 5''3' so she does straddled giants that several taller gymnasts use, like Svetlana Khorkina, because it gives her more power and momentum to reach her handstands and it also prevents her from both dragging her legs accross the floor and hitting the lower bar. As for her body position you'd have to be blind to not see how straight her body is, although she pikes a little bit to not hit the lower bar, which I do not think is deduction.
TsubasaDreams 2 years ago
right on.
481095ymg2 2 years ago
Its not a deduction to pike just a tiny bit so you wont hit the low bar. I have to do that or I hit my feet
awsumgymnast95 2 years ago
For a female gymnast, horrible toe points, leg separations, cross legs are all DEDUCTIONS, but the judgers never really took enough deductions from her. Dont say she has to due to her height, Svetlana wasn't always separate her legs in the invert giants, at least not 5 times per routine.
yueshili 2 years ago
he kexin is obvsly lacking skills, and she does NOT deserve a 9.025. on the other hand, liukin perfects every move and deserved the 1st place; gold medal
itheresaxd 2 years ago
He Kexin lacks skills? Really? It's funny because I didn't see anyone else try a Li Ya, a straight Jaeger and a Tchachev-Pak. True, she had her flaws, true 9.025 seems too high, but Nastia had some very visible mistakes as well (leg separations, bent knees, cowboy on the dismount, etc). The gymnast who deserved the gold medal was actually Yang Yilin. She obviously had the best execution of all (both Nastia and Kexin seemed to agree that she deserved 1st place).
AnnaPavlovaFan 2 years ago 11
so you would've placed 1) yang 2) nastia 3) he? or reserve silver/bronze?
zhangxingyi 2 years ago
I would have placed 1)Yang Yilin, 2) He Kexin, 3) Nastia Liukina (but I would've preferred if they had tied for silver; stupid IOC rules!). That said, I'm glad He Kexin won because she and Beth Tweddle had the most exciting routines (I prefer release moves in combination rather than pirouetting skills in combination).
AnnaPavlovaFan 2 years ago 2
you know what's even funnier- both He and Yang did not get deductions for dead hangs muscled into handstands- that should have placed them out of contention for any medal. Just because those errors weren't as ugly as other errors doesn't mean they didn't happen.
samiracle 2 years ago
He Kexin had a B score of 9.025 and Yang Yilin, who hit the best handstands BTW, scored below 9.0. They were definitely deducted for muscling up their kips (especially Yang Yilin who didn't have any obvious form breaks).
AnnaPavlovaFan 2 years ago 2
@AnnaPavlovaFan Yes. He Kexin lifted her up and had her wave to the audience, and Nastia gave a look of disgust when YYL's scores came up. (the same look she gave when she found out she lost bars in 2006)
macassar88 1 year ago
You can tell only some American fans think Liukin should win gold.
russiangymfan 2 years ago