The problem is, we're all hypocrites. Everyone that went to that seminar, probably including Jeremy Rifkin, took either a private jet or plane to get there. FOSSIL FUEL CONSUMPTION. CHECK YOUR CARBON FOOTPRINT. WALK OR RIDE A BIKE.
You do know that your bike was made out of fossil fuels right? The machines that bent the metals are running on electricity, which is processed by fossil fuels. Your tires are made from petroleum. Your shoes, they have rubber right? They are also based on petroleum. Reducing our carbon footprint won't necessarily stop the process. Unless we go back to the way the world was about three or four centuries ago nothing will change.
This video honestly makes me laugh. The pathetic view this man holds is horrid. The only people who could honestly believe this are those with little life experience, and incurable stupidity.
@arkangelzero Read researched peer reviewed papers. This man is a genius. Although he is virtually predicting the end of the world within a century, most of what he says is true. Did you not experience the American bubble pop in the 2000s? Clearly empathy is too good to be true. People are nurtured to self-interested, and people like you, probably steal from others because you lack work ethic. Why don't you look into this video, and see that what this guy is calling for is change?
MFW I don't steal, and have never lost my job due to a poor work ethic. Honestly, where did you come up with that pathetic idea?
No, although I am poor, I am only 20, and therefore, the housing bubble didn't effect me.
Yes, I could definitely see the world ending. We are quickly losing our resources, but the fact is, I honestly don't care. Humans are fucking terrible and deserve death. If someone gave me the option to kill everyone, including myself, I would do it in a heartbeat
where's empathy when someone films a rape of their cell phone, when whole villages ostracise a woman for cheating, when people steal a brilliant idea to sell it quicker rather than help improve it?
The argument of empathic creatures on a neurological level holds up pretty well, it's easy to see how imitation is evolutionarily speaking a huge interest in the way it helps transmission of knowledge and skill.
But doesn't empathy only prevail in a life freed from violence and necessity first?
@awklocke No, empathy never prevails, as it is barely tepid. Give up on empathy, I mean really who believes in "empathy" as some kind of savior? OK, yes there are simpletons everywhere who buy healing crystals, or who think mastering kama-sutra sex will finally bring them happiness, and all sorts of nonsense. I will wager you have not rescued one other person in this world, but of course you want others to do so with their money. Just wondering...will you ever take action.?
The mitochondrial-Eve and Y-chromosome-Adam did'nt live together, they're about 6000 years apart, so the bible did not get it right as he says. Still one of the greatest speeches ever seen, despite the little misinformation.
Piggy backing his evolution of the empathetic evolution of the civilization models, I would argue that global is not the next step. Empathy by class and access will be next, taking the place of the nation state.
I've offered some "critical thinking" with regards Rifkins claims. He is making up quite a lot. The form of his narrative is that same form of all doomsday scenarios of the past. Perhaps we should be suspicious of the form. Empathy is weak, & no mirror neurons have been identified to this date. I suggest solutions to problems facing spaceship Earth are not to be found in the empathy realm, but in the realm of accurate cognition - see the problem and engineer a fix.
@rh001YT I understand that you're trying to make a counterpoint, or simply advising that we don't take what Jeremy Rifkin says for granted --which is a noble effort to be sure-- but in YouTube comment form (especially when you post seven comments in a row) it's not very effective. They seem kind of all over the place, and honestly, your points seem more like incidental details than anything else. I might be interested to see a video response on your behalf though, if you're up to it.
@ptoner87 "Not very effective"....according to whom? "all over the place"...according to whom? Do you see that if you make such ungrounded comments, then such a game move on your part entitles me to make the same moves with regards demenaing your comments? My comments are meant for those with hooks & nets to catch them. The message of the seven comments should be clear: if support or structural members of an argument are found to be rotten or fantasy, then the argument falls to the ground.
@rh001YT I was very clear and concise in suggesting that to better put forth your argument, you might try a video response; it should have been read as constructive criticism. Instead, you read it as "ungrounded", taking it as a personal attack. "According to whom" --seriously? Why would you type seven long YouTube comments only intended for those "with hooks and nets"? If you have an argument, make it. Your seven comments have no cohesive structure because they are just that: YouTube comments.
@ptoner87 NO, I was countering your assertions and pointing out that they were entirely "YOU-centric" : repeat: you gve no grounds. That is entirely common for your type. Somehow it was never impressed upon you that establishing grounds is important. Did someone tell you that you are good, right and just, exactly as you are, no need to change...and you believed them? I write only for those with hooks and nets for noticing baselessness and flimsy foundation - the self-centric are never that way.
@rh001YT You're just throwing out little tidbits of information, presumably verified by you, claiming they totally uproot what Jeremy Rifkin is saying. I asked you to elaborate your statements, but instead you claim, "ah well, I just write for those with hooks and nets". It's an empty phrase. Everything you are saying is intended to negate everything I'm saying, but all I'm saying is elaborate your claims. Since you will not address your claims, it seems evident you have no argument. Forget it.
@ptoner87 I am casting suspicion on structural members of Rifkins arguments. Readers can read the Buddha's writings if they wish, to see if I am correct, etc. Only certain persons (perhaps a genetic trait) see structure & structural weakness. Who in the world thinks empathy is significant? When ever has it been? Yes, in literature it is a theme of interest, precisely because it is so rare. Empathy-heads are empty heads. Mahinda Rajapaksa ended LTTE-GOSL war by killing the enemy, not empathy.
@rh001YT Ah, okay, that's what I was looking for you to say.
I think it's more the point that we acknowledge that we can be empathetic toward one another, and use that to our combined advantage, rather than rely on the simple premise, however asserted, that because we are empathetic creatures we automatically coexist for mutual benefit. I think I see what you're saying though. Nevertheless, empty-heads or not, judging by the support Jeremy Rifkin has, it would seem "empathy" is pretty important.
@ptoner87 yes, that's one of my points. To believe in human "empapthy" as a savior is just one more attempt to atone for killing God. Nietzsche predicted this empathy-as-saviour stuff way back in 1880s - he saw it as s signpost to total civilization breakdown. The support for Rifkin is a vain hope (thus all the slathering flattery) on the part of the weak, that by doing nothing, except perhaps voting for so&so, the day can be saved, even while being stoned. The weak-heads posture instead of do.
@rh001YT We can't presume to know what will happen for sure, with all due respect to Nietzsche. I don't think it's fair to assume that across the globe people will only support an idea passively or tacitly. I mean, Jeremy Rifkin advises the EU, which often acts on his advice. How is that passive? Even if everyone everywhere was committed to inaction, how does that lead to the breakdown of civilization? What would the common man do otherwise apart from live out his life as he has previously?
@ptoner87 Oh, sorry I could't reply sooner. To understand the phrase "breakdown of civilization" see modern day Somalia, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Rep of Congo, etal. The "common man" ...who cares about the common man except a poltician wanting power? Many humans (not you) have been far from common, even stellar, that having nothing to do with empathy but with talent & action, and usually their stellar performance required a stable society for gestation, none of which are created with empathy.
@THEOZZYFUL Thank you for your thoughtful & well-fleshed out comment. I can smell you, and find the smell offensive. The stench can be eliminated by careful attention to hard facts, such as in science, understanding how math connects (usually) with science, studying history, and then noting what causes what, not just in the simple physical realm but also in the complex human realm, and if you would do such difficult study (not likely) then you would see that empathy counts for very little.
Yet more on the importance of knowing some stuff: few need a supercomputer. the internet is too slow relative to local processor-to-memory transfer. cloud computing applications only make sense if they offer such amazing features that one could not afford to buy the software. And cloud applications charge for use - where is that money coming from, except via some use of energy resources. So it is probably wise to own the software and use it locally, and turn off the puter when not using it.
More on the importance of knowing some stuff: while it is probably true that many humans eat too much beef, free range cattle convert photosynthesis to edible protein on land not good for water intensive agriculture, so in that way beef is very good use of solar energy. Also, grazing cattle need little human effort, freeing the human to do other agriculture or work of another kind. Lets not through out the baby with the bathwater.
More on the importance of knowing some stuff: 500BC, Prince Guatama, aka Buddha, narrated a most profound tract on human psychology, yet to be proved unreasonable, emphaszing compassion, but that didn't help much. Not popular in the land of his birth, India, the Buddhist teachings did travel east very quickly for the time, without the invention of the printing press. The Buddhist cultures remain impoverished - too much compassion and not enough invention. Unlike Hindus, the Buddhist eats meat.
It helps to know some facts rather than take Rifkins word on certain matters. For instance, by 3000 BC Hindus, mostly tribals at that time, had postulated that all people are brothers and sisters & share a common soul, the atman. empathy was part of their worldview, including empathy with animals, which they mostly stopped eating. That did not help much, as the history of india clearly shows - lots of war and very limited prosperity.
In southern california, solar panels on roofs don't pay back for 15 years, & the solar cells lose efficiency over time. Also, if not regularly cleaned, efficiency drops further. But note that a roof of solar cells will not completely power the typical home. Only the sun belt states in the USA have this limited potential. It is not thought that solar cell efficiency will rise much based on limits of silicon. We must be sober about current alternative energy sources.
@rh001YT Solar paying back in 15 years is a 4.6% return on investment. That is a return that bond funds would kill for. Savings accounts, money market funds, and the like are all well below that return. That is also saying the price of fossil fuels(current electricity source) never increase in price, and inflation isn't accounted for. That greatly increases the return of 4.6% over time. You are stating a very narrow minded argument.
@rlidrazzah Equity mutual funds will return 10-12% (safely) per year over 15 years. The drop in efficiency of solar cells, need for cleaning, & expensive battery change (varies according to system size) after 10 years makes solar rather lackluster. I plan to install solar on on my home, but my point is simply that it's no panacea, and barely more than a snack.
I held a brokers license. I was a registered FA. 10 to 12 % is near historical average growth stocks simply put. In order to aim for that return, you would build a portfolio that would be considered high risk meaning you will have to have the discipline to ride out the boom/bust cycles. If you take the average over the past 15 years of the top 100 growth mutual funds, you won't come close to that return.
things may not be as bad as Rifkin thinks they are. China has greatly slowed population increase, as have Caucasians everywhere. Reforestation can sink excess atmospheric carbon. led lighting is going to be a game changer. Americans can cut 20% of gas use by elminating option car trips, like to the restaurant or special store on the other side of the city. But global empathy? People spend the same on a pet instead of on a child in a poor country, when many charities are set up to facilitate.
@joesparks1. You need to do some homework man. I believe Jeremy Rifkin is finally the man with the most solid game plan for what needs to be done in the world. Who ever said anything about him being a luddite. Are resources are finite. Do some research.
@osamabinsmokin He does not understand how wealth is created nor the definition of value. He's a bizarre mystic. Don't fall for these charismatic bastards. Just because he nods his head in a knowing way, doesn't mean he knows anything at all.
@joesparks1 But you know eh? ok what is your solution to finite resources, growing population, global warming, etc.etc. and still keeping our 'standard' of living...wait you haven't got one. Or is putting down people on Youtube part of your gameplan?
One year later, we now know Rifkin is a joke. If I had seen this one year ago, I would still think this Malthusian Luddite is a complete joke. But one year later, watch it, you can see even more clearly that this guy is just wrong, as is nearly every single piece of group-think stifling garbage from the RSA.
@osamabinsmokin I feel sorry for the EU. Do you know what I mean by Malthusian Luddite? Malthusians think that there's a finite amount of resources, there only one small pie, and we all have to divide that pie to survive. Luddites want us to abandon technology, to take us back to the dark ages, where we are just animals with sticks, digging in the mud. Jeremy Rifkin is both of these dorks rolled into one.
There is one type of emphaty that's going to be our end sir,
"Customer rights"
I mean srsly, what kind of civilization would give rights to its customers when the world is about to deplenish ? What kind of civilization would encourage its people to consume ?
It was a lovely speech, really enlightening. Thank you for sharing this video.
"we have to think about ourselves as a big family." here's where he is with the german philosopher richard david precht. problem is - humans arent used to big families. it takes a lot more than energysharing and a talk that reminds us we are not alone on this planet to make it really happen.
powerful and accessible message. makes you think long and hard, especially at what can be done within the locale of the family, the single home, the neighborhood.
This is one of the most outstanding and brilliant talks I've ever heard. Just thinking about the evolution of empathy makes me feel connected to the entire human race.
I think he has raised some points, not all to my agreement ...If he , like others, believe global warming is a human generated problem....We must focus more, en mass, upon our societal beliefs ,that generate such realities...solidarity in our planets mass held reality will change us; as a whole people....
Erudite and articulate ... George Carlin to the next level... Mind Opening For the Closed Hearted <3 I wonder if he ever got a chance to meet Guy Murchie...What brilliance and how happy I am to know that he is one of my relations <3
You have to be a real moron to talk about climate change and peak oil at the same time. Pick your dooms-day scenario, but if the oil's almost gone then we don't need to make any effort to reduce carbon emissions, because you just posited that it's about to run out.
Let's talk about peak-global-warming-b.s. and how spreading hysteria for grant funding is the opposite of empathy and the biggest global distraction from real human and environmental problems.
You have to be a real moron to talk about climate change and peak oil at the same time. Pick your dooms-day scenario, but if the oil's almost gone then we don't need to make any effort to reduce carbon emissions, because you just posited that it's about to run out.
Let's talk about peak-global-warming-b.s. and how spreading hysteria for grant funding is the opposite of empathy and the biggest global distraction from real human and environmental problems.
Empathy requires a complex involvement of cognitive, emotional and social skills and abilities. I am skeptical when a person with a background in economics and international affairs speaks - with seeming authority - on a very complex topic in a discipline in which he has no training - psychology. That is my background and I would not even think about giving a talk in, say, economics. If he was a leading researcher with decades of experience in studying empathy, that would be a different matter.
Also, the pop neuroscience theory of "mirror neurons" and empathy is probably false, and almost certainly unfalsifiable, even though there is very likely to be something interesting that these neurons are responsible for if not action understanding.
As far as newborns go, IMHO they seem to be a mix of pro-social, playful angels and ruthless, demanding narcissists! :)
I like Rifkin, and I'm sympathetic to his view here, but the details are too sloppy for me to buy this line of thinking.
Also, the pop neuroscience theory of "mirror neurons" and empathy is probably false, and almost certainly unfalsifiable, even though there is very likely to be something interesting that these neurons are responsible for if not action understanding.
I like Rifkin, and I'm sympathetic to his view here, but the details are too sloppy for me to buy this line of thinking.
J.S. Mill described Utilitarianism as "the greatest good for the greatest number," not as individuals pursuing their own detached self-interest. For example, one of the strongest arguments for the ethical treatment of animals comes from Utilitarian Peter Singer.
Rifkin portrays U as inherently selfish, claiming we need instead more empathy, but perhaps we just need what Mill and other Utilitarians and enlightenment rationalists originally intended--the intersection of reason and emotion.
This guy is talking crap. I'm sure most people already realise that, but this is for those poor gullible fools who ooh and ahh at his mumbo jumbo. You're being scammed LOL!
Some of the theories are interesting however he strays often into emotional, subjective arguments rather than rational or scientific arguments -- further, he displays a remarkable lack of understanding of classical religion with regard to babies & sin and Heaven, which is a bit shocking given the other researched elements. He further disregards much work in neural-development just to make his point on social soft-wiring. "Conclusion looking for evidence" isn't the right approach.
Really interesting stuff. But he is overstepping there when he says there's no empathy in Heaven, If I meet you in Heaven my Heaven will become two Heavens. Well that's what I think - Blessings - Rene
@mammyoriordan Can you find a quote in your religious text that describes how much empathy you'll feel in the afterlife, or is this just 'how you see it'?
@911oz this is not nwo for one how the fuck is someone control every building sharing energy?
its just like people trying to control limewire
this is the venus project coming alive and i can see now that the venus project will happen.. unless we die first ofcourse lol, but its only the next natural progress in society
I actually stood up and clapped at home. Brilliant brilliant speech Mr Rifkin. I'm truly inspired to make conscious, globally empathetic changes and I now have hope for the survival of our biosphere. Let's make this happen! Thanks to the RSA for sharing
I am in love with Jeremy Rifkin. Jeremy I love you like I love Jacque Fresco and the Venus Project. You must meet Jacque Fresco. You are making me very very happy.
At last we have all the keys to our very near future evolution , we are going to EVOL ...VE
Bomb India and China right now! Send them back to pre-Industrial existences. Those Chews and Kumars shan't be putting our existence at risk - who gave them the right. Yes they wish to bring themselves out of poverty but what of the negative externality being inflicted up us?
Sad that even though all we have to do is do what makes us happy without ruining anothers happyness, people still have to push things too far. All this lusting for shit that serves no real use, I even guarantee when most people get what they crave all they get is a lil YAY out of it and then back to being the shit they are. Also trying to cling to your youth so badly and seek a utopia, just like he says it cheapens what we are, its the impermenance and frailty of life that makes it beautiful
I beg to differ with Jeremy. I believe human nature may be reduced to this, the desire to will for ourselves. Whether we will to do what is considered good, or will to do evil, our fundamental unity is the desire for autonomy of will.
IN addition to that, perhaps it doesn't help that our male youth are too busy chasing girls then paying attention to education, thus adding a stupidity sway to our society and the intelligence to the next generation and hence our species... just a sudden thought.
@noobenstein i would have to completely agree natural selection has made males violent because of females, because we all know in this reality females choose the males not the other way around, otherwise we wouldn't have Victoria secrets. I m a peace person I have chose not to even involve myself with women who are stupid like that
@noobenstein Replace all occurrences of ''women" with "men" and your rant would make perfect sense. 90% of prison inmates are men. 95% of soldiers of war are men. 98 % of sexual deviants are male. 92% of assaults against women are by men. ALL TRUE. Sadly, 91% of all murders of men are of other men. Hmmmm....this world would be a much different place without men. I feel so sorry for men. They lost their soul many thousands of years ago.
@PeaceLoveGoddess i think it is easy to see that women drive evolutionary change within our species. Your pretty dense or just sexiest if you cant figure that out. Or feminist. Women choose males, males are mostly the ones who compete for females not the other way around. if you actually debate your position i am sure you will easily find that you would lose fairly quickly
175,000 years is incorrect. check out forbidden archeology with michael cremo. this guy above is only parroting what the establishment wants him to parrot
JR is in a mostly male arena, so is careful not to say that women (brain science proves they are more empathic) are key to guiding men (more systematic) back to the partnership of system and empathy that made humans such an adaptable species, before men made war a cultural norm. Women selecting less violent mates, using their holistic abilities (more left-right brain connections) to guide men to mindfulness is how to create empathic civilization. Kindness and no blame! RedefiningSeductiondotcom
Tears....
leighmcdowell 1 week ago
bought me to tears. Im sending this to everyone i know
ImAsMadAsHell 1 month ago
Watch the vid I'm going to share
erryfleming11k 1 month ago
The problem is, we're all hypocrites. Everyone that went to that seminar, probably including Jeremy Rifkin, took either a private jet or plane to get there. FOSSIL FUEL CONSUMPTION. CHECK YOUR CARBON FOOTPRINT. WALK OR RIDE A BIKE.
TheMatafaka1 2 months ago
@TheMatafaka1
You do know that your bike was made out of fossil fuels right? The machines that bent the metals are running on electricity, which is processed by fossil fuels. Your tires are made from petroleum. Your shoes, they have rubber right? They are also based on petroleum. Reducing our carbon footprint won't necessarily stop the process. Unless we go back to the way the world was about three or four centuries ago nothing will change.
arkangelzero 2 months ago
true
OrganicKing 3 months ago
This video honestly makes me laugh. The pathetic view this man holds is horrid. The only people who could honestly believe this are those with little life experience, and incurable stupidity.
arkangelzero 3 months ago
@arkangelzero Read researched peer reviewed papers. This man is a genius. Although he is virtually predicting the end of the world within a century, most of what he says is true. Did you not experience the American bubble pop in the 2000s? Clearly empathy is too good to be true. People are nurtured to self-interested, and people like you, probably steal from others because you lack work ethic. Why don't you look into this video, and see that what this guy is calling for is change?
TheMatafaka1 2 months ago
@TheMatafaka1
MFW I don't steal, and have never lost my job due to a poor work ethic. Honestly, where did you come up with that pathetic idea?
No, although I am poor, I am only 20, and therefore, the housing bubble didn't effect me.
Yes, I could definitely see the world ending. We are quickly losing our resources, but the fact is, I honestly don't care. Humans are fucking terrible and deserve death. If someone gave me the option to kill everyone, including myself, I would do it in a heartbeat
arkangelzero 2 months ago
this man should be taken vry vry seriously
Grabpowa 4 months ago
41,000 views!!!!! C'mon folks, let's change our interest to truly relevant and important matters, instead of stupid pointless videos.
esca8652 4 months ago
this video means "Use money like fuck. It's a great job!' but we know our own sightseen
of one horizontal area.
flowewritharoma 4 months ago
I try to share these ideas with everyone I know.
rpm297 6 months ago
where's empathy when someone films a rape of their cell phone, when whole villages ostracise a woman for cheating, when people steal a brilliant idea to sell it quicker rather than help improve it?
The argument of empathic creatures on a neurological level holds up pretty well, it's easy to see how imitation is evolutionarily speaking a huge interest in the way it helps transmission of knowledge and skill.
But doesn't empathy only prevail in a life freed from violence and necessity first?
awklocke 6 months ago
@awklocke No, empathy never prevails, as it is barely tepid. Give up on empathy, I mean really who believes in "empathy" as some kind of savior? OK, yes there are simpletons everywhere who buy healing crystals, or who think mastering kama-sutra sex will finally bring them happiness, and all sorts of nonsense. I will wager you have not rescued one other person in this world, but of course you want others to do so with their money. Just wondering...will you ever take action.?
rh001YT 6 months ago
It's ALL about the MATH,, Health, No- Brainer,, that's just it,, Not in the head,, the answer is in the BODY
catwatters4 7 months ago
How can this only have 37,000 views!
We're not going to make it as a species are we :'(!
enticed2zeitgeist 7 months ago
Such common sense. Great to see Science confirm it though lol.
enticed2zeitgeist 7 months ago
The mitochondrial-Eve and Y-chromosome-Adam did'nt live together, they're about 6000 years apart, so the bible did not get it right as he says. Still one of the greatest speeches ever seen, despite the little misinformation.
rosztun 7 months ago
Piggy backing his evolution of the empathetic evolution of the civilization models, I would argue that global is not the next step. Empathy by class and access will be next, taking the place of the nation state.
rlidrazzah 8 months ago
@rlidrazzah I do believe that's where we've been for a long time now.. and that's crumbling. :)
xPEACHxEATERx 7 months ago
I've offered some "critical thinking" with regards Rifkins claims. He is making up quite a lot. The form of his narrative is that same form of all doomsday scenarios of the past. Perhaps we should be suspicious of the form. Empathy is weak, & no mirror neurons have been identified to this date. I suggest solutions to problems facing spaceship Earth are not to be found in the empathy realm, but in the realm of accurate cognition - see the problem and engineer a fix.
rh001YT 8 months ago
@rh001YT I understand that you're trying to make a counterpoint, or simply advising that we don't take what Jeremy Rifkin says for granted --which is a noble effort to be sure-- but in YouTube comment form (especially when you post seven comments in a row) it's not very effective. They seem kind of all over the place, and honestly, your points seem more like incidental details than anything else. I might be interested to see a video response on your behalf though, if you're up to it.
ptoner87 8 months ago
@ptoner87 "Not very effective"....according to whom? "all over the place"...according to whom? Do you see that if you make such ungrounded comments, then such a game move on your part entitles me to make the same moves with regards demenaing your comments? My comments are meant for those with hooks & nets to catch them. The message of the seven comments should be clear: if support or structural members of an argument are found to be rotten or fantasy, then the argument falls to the ground.
rh001YT 8 months ago
@rh001YT I was very clear and concise in suggesting that to better put forth your argument, you might try a video response; it should have been read as constructive criticism. Instead, you read it as "ungrounded", taking it as a personal attack. "According to whom" --seriously? Why would you type seven long YouTube comments only intended for those "with hooks and nets"? If you have an argument, make it. Your seven comments have no cohesive structure because they are just that: YouTube comments.
ptoner87 8 months ago
@ptoner87 NO, I was countering your assertions and pointing out that they were entirely "YOU-centric" : repeat: you gve no grounds. That is entirely common for your type. Somehow it was never impressed upon you that establishing grounds is important. Did someone tell you that you are good, right and just, exactly as you are, no need to change...and you believed them? I write only for those with hooks and nets for noticing baselessness and flimsy foundation - the self-centric are never that way.
rh001YT 8 months ago
@rh001YT You're just throwing out little tidbits of information, presumably verified by you, claiming they totally uproot what Jeremy Rifkin is saying. I asked you to elaborate your statements, but instead you claim, "ah well, I just write for those with hooks and nets". It's an empty phrase. Everything you are saying is intended to negate everything I'm saying, but all I'm saying is elaborate your claims. Since you will not address your claims, it seems evident you have no argument. Forget it.
ptoner87 8 months ago
@ptoner87 I am casting suspicion on structural members of Rifkins arguments. Readers can read the Buddha's writings if they wish, to see if I am correct, etc. Only certain persons (perhaps a genetic trait) see structure & structural weakness. Who in the world thinks empathy is significant? When ever has it been? Yes, in literature it is a theme of interest, precisely because it is so rare. Empathy-heads are empty heads. Mahinda Rajapaksa ended LTTE-GOSL war by killing the enemy, not empathy.
rh001YT 8 months ago
@rh001YT Ah, okay, that's what I was looking for you to say.
I think it's more the point that we acknowledge that we can be empathetic toward one another, and use that to our combined advantage, rather than rely on the simple premise, however asserted, that because we are empathetic creatures we automatically coexist for mutual benefit. I think I see what you're saying though. Nevertheless, empty-heads or not, judging by the support Jeremy Rifkin has, it would seem "empathy" is pretty important.
ptoner87 8 months ago
@ptoner87 yes, that's one of my points. To believe in human "empapthy" as a savior is just one more attempt to atone for killing God. Nietzsche predicted this empathy-as-saviour stuff way back in 1880s - he saw it as s signpost to total civilization breakdown. The support for Rifkin is a vain hope (thus all the slathering flattery) on the part of the weak, that by doing nothing, except perhaps voting for so&so, the day can be saved, even while being stoned. The weak-heads posture instead of do.
rh001YT 8 months ago
@rh001YT We can't presume to know what will happen for sure, with all due respect to Nietzsche. I don't think it's fair to assume that across the globe people will only support an idea passively or tacitly. I mean, Jeremy Rifkin advises the EU, which often acts on his advice. How is that passive? Even if everyone everywhere was committed to inaction, how does that lead to the breakdown of civilization? What would the common man do otherwise apart from live out his life as he has previously?
ptoner87 8 months ago
@ptoner87 Oh, sorry I could't reply sooner. To understand the phrase "breakdown of civilization" see modern day Somalia, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Rep of Congo, etal. The "common man" ...who cares about the common man except a poltician wanting power? Many humans (not you) have been far from common, even stellar, that having nothing to do with empathy but with talent & action, and usually their stellar performance required a stable society for gestation, none of which are created with empathy.
rh001YT 6 months ago
@rh001YT you are a fool
you probably won't find out until it is to late
dream on in your dark little corner of the world
THEOZZYFUL 6 months ago
@THEOZZYFUL Thank you for your thoughtful & well-fleshed out comment. I can smell you, and find the smell offensive. The stench can be eliminated by careful attention to hard facts, such as in science, understanding how math connects (usually) with science, studying history, and then noting what causes what, not just in the simple physical realm but also in the complex human realm, and if you would do such difficult study (not likely) then you would see that empathy counts for very little.
rh001YT 6 months ago
@rh001YT okay
you might have had some kind of fancy education and know lots of big words
who cares
intelligence does not mean wisdom
fool
there is more to life than money and being right
maybe not to you but you are alone in your ideas no matter how articulate you think you might be
THEOZZYFUL 6 months ago
@THEOZZYFUL and speak for yourself when refering to humanity
you don't know what others feel
heck you don't even care anyway
do you make love to your creditcard every night before sleeping????
THEOZZYFUL 6 months ago
@THEOZZYFUL people like you will eventually desolve into the background where you can't harm the rest of us anymore
we won't harm you back for all the misery you have caused on this earth
just losing your position will be difficult enough for you
i empathise with that
sorry sad but true
THEOZZYFUL 6 months ago
@THEOZZYFUL you can't measure wealth by the content of your bank accout
your bank account contains nothing by a big lie
non existant money
your money is nothing but an illusion
my love for life and living beings is real it can never be taken from me by nobody not even you or the banks
THEOZZYFUL 6 months ago
@THEOZZYFUL wait just made a big mistake there
people like you have sex they don't make love
well maybe just to the credit card
THEOZZYFUL 6 months ago
Yet more on the importance of knowing some stuff: few need a supercomputer. the internet is too slow relative to local processor-to-memory transfer. cloud computing applications only make sense if they offer such amazing features that one could not afford to buy the software. And cloud applications charge for use - where is that money coming from, except via some use of energy resources. So it is probably wise to own the software and use it locally, and turn off the puter when not using it.
rh001YT 8 months ago
More on the importance of knowing some stuff: while it is probably true that many humans eat too much beef, free range cattle convert photosynthesis to edible protein on land not good for water intensive agriculture, so in that way beef is very good use of solar energy. Also, grazing cattle need little human effort, freeing the human to do other agriculture or work of another kind. Lets not through out the baby with the bathwater.
rh001YT 8 months ago
More on the importance of knowing some stuff: 500BC, Prince Guatama, aka Buddha, narrated a most profound tract on human psychology, yet to be proved unreasonable, emphaszing compassion, but that didn't help much. Not popular in the land of his birth, India, the Buddhist teachings did travel east very quickly for the time, without the invention of the printing press. The Buddhist cultures remain impoverished - too much compassion and not enough invention. Unlike Hindus, the Buddhist eats meat.
rh001YT 8 months ago
It helps to know some facts rather than take Rifkins word on certain matters. For instance, by 3000 BC Hindus, mostly tribals at that time, had postulated that all people are brothers and sisters & share a common soul, the atman. empathy was part of their worldview, including empathy with animals, which they mostly stopped eating. That did not help much, as the history of india clearly shows - lots of war and very limited prosperity.
rh001YT 8 months ago
In southern california, solar panels on roofs don't pay back for 15 years, & the solar cells lose efficiency over time. Also, if not regularly cleaned, efficiency drops further. But note that a roof of solar cells will not completely power the typical home. Only the sun belt states in the USA have this limited potential. It is not thought that solar cell efficiency will rise much based on limits of silicon. We must be sober about current alternative energy sources.
rh001YT 8 months ago
@rh001YT Solar paying back in 15 years is a 4.6% return on investment. That is a return that bond funds would kill for. Savings accounts, money market funds, and the like are all well below that return. That is also saying the price of fossil fuels(current electricity source) never increase in price, and inflation isn't accounted for. That greatly increases the return of 4.6% over time. You are stating a very narrow minded argument.
rlidrazzah 8 months ago
@rlidrazzah Equity mutual funds will return 10-12% (safely) per year over 15 years. The drop in efficiency of solar cells, need for cleaning, & expensive battery change (varies according to system size) after 10 years makes solar rather lackluster. I plan to install solar on on my home, but my point is simply that it's no panacea, and barely more than a snack.
rh001YT 8 months ago
@rh001YT
I held a brokers license. I was a registered FA. 10 to 12 % is near historical average growth stocks simply put. In order to aim for that return, you would build a portfolio that would be considered high risk meaning you will have to have the discipline to ride out the boom/bust cycles. If you take the average over the past 15 years of the top 100 growth mutual funds, you won't come close to that return.
rlidrazzah 8 months ago
things may not be as bad as Rifkin thinks they are. China has greatly slowed population increase, as have Caucasians everywhere. Reforestation can sink excess atmospheric carbon. led lighting is going to be a game changer. Americans can cut 20% of gas use by elminating option car trips, like to the restaurant or special store on the other side of the city. But global empathy? People spend the same on a pet instead of on a child in a poor country, when many charities are set up to facilitate.
rh001YT 8 months ago
Try those few seconds past 45:23. It transcends any explanation for what life is as a peak moment! =)
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efortune357 9 months ago
@joesparks1. You need to do some homework man. I believe Jeremy Rifkin is finally the man with the most solid game plan for what needs to be done in the world. Who ever said anything about him being a luddite. Are resources are finite. Do some research.
samusoctology88 9 months ago
@osamabinsmokin He does not understand how wealth is created nor the definition of value. He's a bizarre mystic. Don't fall for these charismatic bastards. Just because he nods his head in a knowing way, doesn't mean he knows anything at all.
joesparks1 9 months ago
@joesparks1 But you know eh? ok what is your solution to finite resources, growing population, global warming, etc.etc. and still keeping our 'standard' of living...wait you haven't got one. Or is putting down people on Youtube part of your gameplan?
osamabinsmokin 9 months ago 2
"empathy is the real invisible hand" OMG, this guy is shameless. His whole Kantian act was tired 50 years ago.
joesparks1 9 months ago
One year later, we now know Rifkin is a joke. If I had seen this one year ago, I would still think this Malthusian Luddite is a complete joke. But one year later, watch it, you can see even more clearly that this guy is just wrong, as is nearly every single piece of group-think stifling garbage from the RSA.
joesparks1 9 months ago
@joesparks1 Yeah he's a joke and thats why he's advising the EU and you are commenting on youtube.
osamabinsmokin 9 months ago 15
@osamabinsmokin I feel sorry for the EU.
joesparks1 9 months ago
@osamabinsmokin I feel sorry for the EU. Do you know what I mean by Malthusian Luddite? Malthusians think that there's a finite amount of resources, there only one small pie, and we all have to divide that pie to survive. Luddites want us to abandon technology, to take us back to the dark ages, where we are just animals with sticks, digging in the mud. Jeremy Rifkin is both of these dorks rolled into one.
joesparks1 9 months ago
There is one type of emphaty that's going to be our end sir,
"Customer rights"
I mean srsly, what kind of civilization would give rights to its customers when the world is about to deplenish ? What kind of civilization would encourage its people to consume ?
It was a lovely speech, really enlightening. Thank you for sharing this video.
Hakkology 10 months ago
31,000 views and the clip is almost a year old. Mean while Britney Spears new music video has already peaked 6 million views .
enticed2zeitgeist 11 months ago 3
@enticed2zeitgeist yes sick isn't it
i am reading these comments and to some of them i would say
sorry
you must really be suffering deep down to have that kind of attitude
when your life is in danger then maybe you will learn something about empathy
don't speak for anyone but yourselves
THEOZZYFUL 6 months ago
@THEOZZYFUL Agreed.
enticed2zeitgeist 6 months ago
@enticed2zeitgeist thank you it;s nice to see there are still lots of real people in this world
together we will be the change we want to see and the money worshippers will eventually learn the true meaning of life and being a human
THEOZZYFUL 6 months ago
@THEOZZYFUL why help eachother out when you can sit in front of the tv wanking off to britney
:)))
THEOZZYFUL 6 months ago
"we have to think about ourselves as a big family." here's where he is with the german philosopher richard david precht. problem is - humans arent used to big families. it takes a lot more than energysharing and a talk that reminds us we are not alone on this planet to make it really happen.
oooodaxteroooo 11 months ago
powerful and accessible message. makes you think long and hard, especially at what can be done within the locale of the family, the single home, the neighborhood.
incanfisherman 1 year ago
Its cool but unfortunately its spoken through a western point of view
Kof24 1 year ago
@Kof24 I think that's the point. He's trying to get his point across to Western culture and he does it better than anyone I've seen.
boysonic19 1 year ago 2
This is one of the most outstanding and brilliant talks I've ever heard. Just thinking about the evolution of empathy makes me feel connected to the entire human race.
TheSoundscapePoet 1 year ago 29
I think he has raised some points, not all to my agreement ...If he , like others, believe global warming is a human generated problem....We must focus more, en mass, upon our societal beliefs ,that generate such realities...solidarity in our planets mass held reality will change us; as a whole people....
MsBolz 1 year ago
@MsBolz If you don't acknowledge that global warming is man-made, you're part of the problem. Educate yourself.
Crackxyx 1 year ago
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fuc* the venus project!
savednorwegian 1 year ago
@savednorwegian
Care to be a bit more constructive? Or do you just enjoy tearing things down?
CognitiveApprentice 1 year ago
its clear we need much more nuclear power
matchbox555 1 year ago
I want him to be right...I really do.
petrus4 1 year ago
Erudite and articulate ... George Carlin to the next level... Mind Opening For the Closed Hearted <3 I wonder if he ever got a chance to meet Guy Murchie...What brilliance and how happy I am to know that he is one of my relations <3
oresome1 1 year ago
Erudite and articulate ... George Carlin to the next level... Mind Opening For the Closed Hearted <3
oresome1 1 year ago
You have to be a real moron to talk about climate change and peak oil at the same time. Pick your dooms-day scenario, but if the oil's almost gone then we don't need to make any effort to reduce carbon emissions, because you just posited that it's about to run out.
Let's talk about peak-global-warming-b.s. and how spreading hysteria for grant funding is the opposite of empathy and the biggest global distraction from real human and environmental problems.
laslopanaflex01 1 year ago
You have to be a real moron to talk about climate change and peak oil at the same time. Pick your dooms-day scenario, but if the oil's almost gone then we don't need to make any effort to reduce carbon emissions, because you just posited that it's about to run out.
Let's talk about peak-global-warming-b.s. and how spreading hysteria for grant funding is the opposite of empathy and the biggest global distraction from real human and environmental problems.
laslopanaflex01 1 year ago
Empathy requires a complex involvement of cognitive, emotional and social skills and abilities. I am skeptical when a person with a background in economics and international affairs speaks - with seeming authority - on a very complex topic in a discipline in which he has no training - psychology. That is my background and I would not even think about giving a talk in, say, economics. If he was a leading researcher with decades of experience in studying empathy, that would be a different matter.
Urbino237 1 year ago
Also, the pop neuroscience theory of "mirror neurons" and empathy is probably false, and almost certainly unfalsifiable, even though there is very likely to be something interesting that these neurons are responsible for if not action understanding.
As far as newborns go, IMHO they seem to be a mix of pro-social, playful angels and ruthless, demanding narcissists! :)
I like Rifkin, and I'm sympathetic to his view here, but the details are too sloppy for me to buy this line of thinking.
buffduff 1 year ago
Also, the pop neuroscience theory of "mirror neurons" and empathy is probably false, and almost certainly unfalsifiable, even though there is very likely to be something interesting that these neurons are responsible for if not action understanding.
I like Rifkin, and I'm sympathetic to his view here, but the details are too sloppy for me to buy this line of thinking.
buffduff 1 year ago
J.S. Mill described Utilitarianism as "the greatest good for the greatest number," not as individuals pursuing their own detached self-interest. For example, one of the strongest arguments for the ethical treatment of animals comes from Utilitarian Peter Singer.
Rifkin portrays U as inherently selfish, claiming we need instead more empathy, but perhaps we just need what Mill and other Utilitarians and enlightenment rationalists originally intended--the intersection of reason and emotion.
buffduff 1 year ago
This guy is talking crap. I'm sure most people already realise that, but this is for those poor gullible fools who ooh and ahh at his mumbo jumbo. You're being scammed LOL!
911oz 1 year ago
Some of the theories are interesting however he strays often into emotional, subjective arguments rather than rational or scientific arguments -- further, he displays a remarkable lack of understanding of classical religion with regard to babies & sin and Heaven, which is a bit shocking given the other researched elements. He further disregards much work in neural-development just to make his point on social soft-wiring. "Conclusion looking for evidence" isn't the right approach.
VALivingston 1 year ago
@VALivingston A very well formed opinion, thank you for your intelligent input.
Piggyjube 1 year ago
This is amazing
v2keener 1 year ago
Really interesting stuff. But he is overstepping there when he says there's no empathy in Heaven, If I meet you in Heaven my Heaven will become two Heavens. Well that's what I think - Blessings - Rene
mammyoriordan 1 year ago
@mammyoriordan Can you find a quote in your religious text that describes how much empathy you'll feel in the afterlife, or is this just 'how you see it'?
Forzan 1 year ago
The Venus Project for all the worlds people, animals and plants!
hede88 1 year ago 2
fine example of empathy ...
/watch?v=qXo3NFqkaRM
milanmobile 1 year ago
Great talk, Rifkin and Fresco can point us in the right direction to make this happen.
Chellsbells84 1 year ago
Great talk, Rifkin and Fresco can make this happen.
Chellsbells84 1 year ago
can we vote him in for president?
aluxob 1 year ago
wow buildings that make more power than they use!!!
RachelEMacD 1 year ago
This man is a "useful idiot", working (perhaps unknowlingly) for a cabal of ruthless globalsits who plan to kill YOU and YOUR KIDS.
911oz 1 year ago
@911oz this is not nwo for one how the fuck is someone control every building sharing energy?
its just like people trying to control limewire
this is the venus project coming alive and i can see now that the venus project will happen.. unless we die first ofcourse lol, but its only the next natural progress in society
jesusramones1 1 year ago
@911oz You forgot to include a reference to "hitler" or "nazis"
lectrick 1 year ago
@lectrick Wow brilliant sarcasm - you must be so smart. I blow my nose at you in respect.
911oz 1 year ago
Every thing is quite fine in the words and theory. Smart and clear.
But why does he still uses those senseless, useless, corny, cheap-status tie and shirt and dark grey suits?
In practice, just like all the rest: Prisioners of their own thoughts, nothing real in real life.
Nice preaching, 'thou.
Nice earnings, I suppouse.
But nothing really new that a lot of people in non Western cultures always knew.
Thanks, anyway.
La Juria
222lajuria 1 year ago
Watch HOME documentary on youtube if you liked this video!
milanjan79 1 year ago
EARTHLINGS!! Finally! Down with the borders and stoopid divisions!! :)
milanjan79 1 year ago
this is the most sense I have heard in a while
shoemanroyale 1 year ago
@shoemanroyale which is why you should digest it slowly, in case it is in fact, an invisible wall being built
gogogodancer 1 year ago
I actually stood up and clapped at home. Brilliant brilliant speech Mr Rifkin. I'm truly inspired to make conscious, globally empathetic changes and I now have hope for the survival of our biosphere. Let's make this happen! Thanks to the RSA for sharing
triathlete77 1 year ago 23
@triathlete77 I did the same thing! This is the best lecture I've EVER seen! :D:D:D
loquevemos 1 year ago
I am in love with Jeremy Rifkin. Jeremy I love you like I love Jacque Fresco and the Venus Project. You must meet Jacque Fresco. You are making me very very happy.
At last we have all the keys to our very near future evolution , we are going to EVOL ...VE
Moodzulu 1 year ago 3
Bomb India and China right now! Send them back to pre-Industrial existences. Those Chews and Kumars shan't be putting our existence at risk - who gave them the right. Yes they wish to bring themselves out of poverty but what of the negative externality being inflicted up us?
Yeviyev 1 year ago
@Yeviyev yeah lets make some nuclear party in their regions. we got the dance studied yet man. free after bush "just bomb those MOFUS"
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Human are not going anywhere. We are the new cockroaches!
ArtemisThnotsoGreat 1 year ago
Sad that even though all we have to do is do what makes us happy without ruining anothers happyness, people still have to push things too far. All this lusting for shit that serves no real use, I even guarantee when most people get what they crave all they get is a lil YAY out of it and then back to being the shit they are. Also trying to cling to your youth so badly and seek a utopia, just like he says it cheapens what we are, its the impermenance and frailty of life that makes it beautiful
youwinoneinternets 1 year ago
Free Energy will come when our collective consciousness can let it in....
The 'unconscious' human - is the real source of the problem. Time for an 'Awakening'
tobiaslarsgunnar 1 year ago 3
@tobiaslarsgunnar there two sides to the coin :-)
ZenMoodi 1 year ago
@tobiaslarsgunnar very true. It's sad that to many people are just walking zombies and they don't even know it..
jlqiii 1 year ago 2
I beg to differ with Jeremy. I believe human nature may be reduced to this, the desire to will for ourselves. Whether we will to do what is considered good, or will to do evil, our fundamental unity is the desire for autonomy of will.
ImputedRighteousnes 1 year ago
Intelligent, deep, serious, a conversation worth listening to, essential to be known immediately!!!!
0Nonduality 1 year ago
Hope is a risky affairJeremy as someone said, but is feels good that someone like you give it a chance.
NilsHumano 1 year ago
fantastic. simple as that.
jomadasilva 1 year ago
simply inspiring
lilmissrandomxDxDxD 1 year ago
This speech rocks!
Let's make the venus project happen!
hanspanzer 1 year ago 72
@hanspanzer Yes, thevenusproject (dot) com / thezeitgeistmovement (dot) com everyone! We can do it. We are the ones we have been waiting for.
Boolze 1 year ago 4
@hanspanzer equal money for all!
ZenMoodi 1 year ago
@hanspanzer Join your local TZM chapter then!
enticed2zeitgeist 11 months ago
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ZialusPT 7 months ago
Its a great book- though Rifkin should shift his focus onto the readily available solutions, and the incredible opportunities- see renaissance2.eu
rlw777 1 year ago
Comments proof that we are way far off.
keyagitator 1 year ago 3
IN addition to that, perhaps it doesn't help that our male youth are too busy chasing girls then paying attention to education, thus adding a stupidity sway to our society and the intelligence to the next generation and hence our species... just a sudden thought.
VileMisanthropy 1 year ago 2
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tonytricks 1 year ago
@noobenstein i would have to completely agree natural selection has made males violent because of females, because we all know in this reality females choose the males not the other way around, otherwise we wouldn't have Victoria secrets. I m a peace person I have chose not to even involve myself with women who are stupid like that
REVOLTbydesign86 1 year ago
50 minutes of Truth. I'm already a better person. Revolutionary thinking.
Kitsua 1 year ago
@noobenstein Replace all occurrences of ''women" with "men" and your rant would make perfect sense. 90% of prison inmates are men. 95% of soldiers of war are men. 98 % of sexual deviants are male. 92% of assaults against women are by men. ALL TRUE. Sadly, 91% of all murders of men are of other men. Hmmmm....this world would be a much different place without men. I feel so sorry for men. They lost their soul many thousands of years ago.
PeaceLoveGoddess 1 year ago 2
@PeaceLoveGoddess i think it is easy to see that women drive evolutionary change within our species. Your pretty dense or just sexiest if you cant figure that out. Or feminist. Women choose males, males are mostly the ones who compete for females not the other way around. if you actually debate your position i am sure you will easily find that you would lose fairly quickly
REVOLTbydesign86 1 year ago
175,000 years is incorrect. check out forbidden archeology with michael cremo. this guy above is only parroting what the establishment wants him to parrot
pulsating123 1 year ago
JR is in a mostly male arena, so is careful not to say that women (brain science proves they are more empathic) are key to guiding men (more systematic) back to the partnership of system and empathy that made humans such an adaptable species, before men made war a cultural norm. Women selecting less violent mates, using their holistic abilities (more left-right brain connections) to guide men to mindfulness is how to create empathic civilization. Kindness and no blame! RedefiningSeductiondotcom
dosheepaul 1 year ago
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"a cleverly constructed tract of anti-intellectual propaganda masquerading as scholarship"
bastian1313 1 year ago
@bastian1313 i don't see anti-intellectualism here!
hhhhhhfffffffffff 1 year ago
@bastian1313 lol thick ^
REVOLTbydesign86 1 year ago
great speech. I saw another presentation on youtube from Rifkin introducing the same book and found it really inspiring. I will share it.
eccemarco 1 year ago 13