From Sea to Shelf - fisheries for the future

[DaggerThroatFuck]

Oh man i get so hungry watching this!

Brb sea market!

[ejbh3160]

@ Raatatosk & TangerineTangerine

crikey people... it ain't a pissing contest!

We must all do whatever we feel we CAN do.. and stop pointing fingers at each other.

Fact is, even minor changes in behaviour by the WORST offenders would acheive a LOT more than minor changes in those who already do a lot to mitigate the impact they have on the environment.

[TangerineTangerine]

ejbh3160: Who are these "worst offenders"? it's awfully comfortable to point finger at companies or elsewhere, and away from ourselves. we private persons are the majority and bear most responsibility- Our "minor" daily choices such as diet choices are of GREAT significance for the environment. After all it is our demands & habits that dictate over companies, not vice versa.

[ejbh3160]

Friend I've been an Ecologist for over 30 years. I've done the best I can to live a 'non-destructive' life. Don't start on me now FFS! Like I said it ain't a pissing contest over who's lived more sustainably than who.

I'm not 'pointing fingers' & if it was our habits that dictated to companies then there wouldn't be any such thing as 'too big to fail' or 'bail-outs'

The 'globalist' corporate web is slanting the economy & your idea that we drive the market (& not vice versa) no longer holds true.

[TangerineTangerine]

im not saying that these companies & corporations are angels, please read a few comments below my thoughts on capitalism. but u have to ask urself, what is the purpose of overfishing, whaling, cutting down of rainforest, pollution etc. u can trace everything back to us consumers, our idea of "quality living", + our demands & habits... short-term "kicks" are ruining this planet. good 4 u that ure aiming 4 a "non-distractive" life, but theres a serious lack of that attitude in general.

[ejbh3160]

if you must put something in quotation marks " " please quote it correctly.

I didn't say "non-distractive".. I said non-destructive.

Yes I KNOW that much of the destruction is down to 'consumerism'. But consumerism can be led in this direction or that very easily with advertising propaganda etc.

IMO its the large corporations that need to change.. people can only buy what they're offered. If it ain't for sale they can't buy it.

IMO the big corporate polluters need to change THEIR behaviour now!

[TangerineTangerine]

english is not my first language, excuse my imperfect spelling, would u rather speak swedish? "people can only buy what they're offered." I c ur point but i strongly disagree, I dont buy animal products, cigarettes, alcohol, my use of plastic is limited etc,,, Trust me all these things are available in my country. 2 expect less from others b/c they simply must buy all the crap w/ a price tag on it, would b to underestimate human will power.Yes large corps need 2 change but they won't w/o a push

[ejbh3160]

Apologies about the typo thought you actually MEANT non-distractive. lol ;-)

Yes I agree they need a push.. IMO they need GLOBAL 'regulations' with teeth that will lead towards 'Sustainability' & a tax structure that leads that way too.

Two identical items that 'Look' exactly the same could be produced in totally different ways.

If the more 'polluting & unsustainable' one was more expensive then it would be less attractive to shoppers because it will be the same thing but more expensive.

[TangerineTangerine]

for now, big corp's have no interest whatsoever to act more sustainably- after all - it's profit over everything else. But have u noticed the trend of many companies going "green" & cruelty-free- This didnt come from regulations tho- it's not the govt pushing them, but the consumer demands are changing. Im sure I written 1000s of emails so far, to all kinds of companies, & so have many other ppl. Boycott, demand, protest...Trust me this kind of pressure works better than waiting 4 law changes.

[ejbh3160]

"trust me"? I get suspicious of how much those words are used these days.. sorry

& why does it have to be an 'either-or' approach?? We need BOTH 'taxation', 'regulation' AND consumer-led demand!

As we both know 'change' is demonstrably slow! If we left it to the whims of shoppers then the world would sink under ice melt before we changed our behaviour enough to prevent eco-tastrophies.

Sometimes people need more information too. If people knew what went into some things they wouldn't buy them.

[TangerineTangerine]

i never said it's either-or. but lets change ourselves while waiting for these taxations & regulations to happen. & yes ppl need more information, but they have to demand it first. although i dont know how many ppl actually read the existing labels. for instance, there are warnings written all over cig packs- & research linking smoking 2 cancer, but I c smokers everywhere I go. what else can b done 4 these ppl, w/o jeopardizing their freedom of choice?

[ejbh3160]

I think the "the trend of many companies going "green" & cruelty-free" is mostly BS!

Its like advertising.. you rarely need to advertise something that everyone wants.

IMO same with the big companies and their 'greenwash'.. they only need to do it because they ARENT 'green' & they want some of that 'market'.

example.. a supermarket here sells 'organic' milk, but when you go on-line & check their definition of 'organic' it is NOT FED ON Genetically Modified grain!? They simply re-defined organic!

[TangerineTangerine]

re; organic milk- i agree. thats one of the reasons why im vegan. im not convinced that animal agriculture is sustainable in this day & age. we also have bottled water labeled enviro. friendly! But comparing to ca 10 years ago, & much thanks 2 the internet & free information it's alot easier 4 me 2 find products that have not been tested on animals, w/o harsh chemicals, animal ingr. or unnecessary packaging. Always read available information on the internet & contact companies b4 buying anything

[ejbh3160]

friend.. I'm not convinced 'GM FOOD' is 'safe' period.

And the first question that popped into my head with the milk thing was "so does that mean all their non-'organic' milk is from cows that ARE FED GM?

I don't think intensive animal farming is 'sustainable' either. However having been born on a farm & living in a farming community I am also aware that the best 'organic farming' models actually include animals as part of a mixed farming model. One that has served us well for countless millenia

[TangerineTangerine]

1) i'm against all GMO too. 2) animal farming whether organic or not, can't sustain human population anymore which will become even more evident in future- nor is there a necessity for it. kindest thing would b to stop breeding animals just for the sake of using them - & stop viewing them as food machines. 3) i recommend watching "Home" it's a fascinating documentary u can find on Youtube if u havent already, it's on my page too.

[TangerineTangerine]

i agree about the advertising prop..but what is the alternative, Big Brother govt which dictates what to watch, what to buy, how to live. This was already tested in societies resulting in dictatorships. Why wait till something becomes illegal, lets educate our children to think 4 themselves & show them the effects of our actions both good & bad. Teach individual power & encourage direct action, kindness, logic above greed- reexamine modern lifestyle. "B the change u want 2 c in theworld"-Gandhi

[ejbh3160]

Again you speak in extremes & its all or nothing.. there is 'balance' too.

As you say, the alternative is 'good education' not indoctrination.. but how do we deliver a 'good eductaion' to 2 BILLION kids??

It requires good teachers, good infrastuctures & MONEY!

Good science without 'conflicts of interests' & corporate fixes. Information not propaganda!

But this requires a 'balance' to both the 'corporate dictators' as well as the 'government dictators'. Both are evils we are better off WITHOUT!

[TangerineTangerine]

well i cant c how a capitalist society would produce teachers who will teach our kids to spend less & care more, ie teach them that capitalism is wrong. b4 that happens, we have to be both teachers & students. u can look 4 independent information, connect w/ likeminded ppl, boycott, protest, organize, turn ur ideal into action- as far as possible- in other words, create a society of connections, within the existing society (which is already happening)- & take it from there.

[ejbh3160]

we don't have 'capitalism' we have 'debtism'!

Capitalism is based on Fractional Reserve Banking where, if you are a Bank & you have £1 million ON DEPOSIT, that 'allows' you to 'create' £8 million in 'new loans' (based on a 8-1 ratio).

The problems we have right now are because they took capitalism & turned it on its head & said if you're a Bank & you have 1 million in 'mortgages' (i.e. DEBTS) the Banks could now treat that as 'CAPITAL' & not as DEBT.

So we now have 'debtism' not capitalism

;-)

[TangerineTangerine]

yes im aware of the "crisis". but capitalism couldnt have led to anything better or wiser imo- so it produced "debtism".

[Tambetklamber]

thx GP for doing all this

[peterfeier]

Great video - very reasonable and an impressive approach!

[Causecast]

it is a very information video and impressed that not all but at least some companies are changing their methods for providing fish. If all companies try to change their method we will not be at the situation that we face today.

[mrmaciejm]

I don't think our kids will be able to afford eating fish often...

[lukeywookey]

what a great video

[BinkieMcFartnuggets]

I try to emulate sharks whenever I can and eat fresh fish right out of the water.

[FaishKnight]

this is an amazing report... really gave me da whole picture... GO Greenpeace GO

[gusto68]

Go Vegan!!!

[foxisnotnews]

why?

[gusto68]

If you don't know the answer google it! You could also go back to school and get some education... Many ways to answer this question!

[TangerineTangerine]

maybe time for Green Peace to rethink their msg and give veganism a chance.. as it is the most logical solution.

[Raatatosk]

Hi Tangerine,

To go vegan is a good choice, but it has to be by own choice.

Going vegan is not the solution though. Producing crops like soy beans do destroy vast areas of habitats like the rain forests (and so do cattle ranching). Agriculture takes up larger areas for production.

The only viable solution, weather it be meat or crops, is to completely change our ways of producing them. We have to learn to do it in an ecological and natural way.

[TangerineTangerine]

raatatosk: ca 90% of soy goes to feed factory animals, pigs in particular. not to speak of all the energy, water & space wasted in the process of feeding these animals. if we were to to eat the plants directly- & not thu animals, there would b major energy savings. & why continue raping oceans that r obviously only getting emptier?? so yes, veganism provides many solutions.

[Raatatosk]

Very sad Tangerine, u are brainwashed and you show you know nothing at all about how things work in real life, not to mention the evolution of human kind.

That's why most ppl can't take vegans seriously, because the only solution your clan sees is veganism.

[TangerineTangerine]

what is so sad? choosing equality, kindness, health & environmentalism over profit & short term pleasures? i never said veganism is the ONLY solution, but it's a necessary one. u can hardly preach environmentalism or oppose animal cruelty & simultaneously support the horrors of animal agriculture. boycotting animal products is a first step in the right direction ie= greener planet, balance, kindness. we dont need to be cruel 2 live. quite the opposite.

[bmed19]

why not decouple env destruction for meat production methods, rather than ditch meat consumption all together?

[TangerineTangerine]

meat production is what it is not b/c of human evil (most ppl are against animal cruelty) but out of necessity due to demand. if everyone is to eat animal products, combined w/ growing human population- capitalist solution is the only truly "profitable" for the producers. animal agriculture started as organic, "kinder" version, but couldnt last for a reason. "lab meat" will soon b sold as a "greener" alternative- not something id ever touch tho. veganism is safest/most logical answer so far

[bmed19]

exactly, once land resources become scarce and expensive lab meat will come trough as the most viable option. wheter or not u consume this meat is besides the point. the point is that meat production will eventually move to a more efficient production method b/c the demand for meat will always exist.

[TangerineTangerine]

i wouldnt say always- things can change drastically. who'd ever think slavery would b abolished? im afraid that "lab meat" just like GMO is going to reach the consumers b4 ppl learn enough about possible consequences. but so far we know there r health concerns with "real" meat. a plant based diet is ideal- from health, environmental & animal rights view. it's also quite simple & possible 2 accomplish. theres nothing to lose...

[bmed19]

how do u think u can convince ppl to stop meat consumption, when we cant even convince ppl to not eat at mcdonalds even though they KNOW its bad for them? if ppl wanna eat meat and crap let them. its their bodies. if u wanna eat leaves and shit so be it. but dont go around scoulding ppl b/c its bad for the env. nature as we know it is on its way out whether u like it or not. gone. forever. so deal with it.

[TangerineTangerine]

it's not about "scolding" but educating. + it's not a choice as much as it is a habit & tradition. children need to b taught to question old ways, find new solution & not waste their adulthood being stuck in old ways. things are not as simple as "their choice- their body"- there's a harm principle- if your choice harms MY body, or in this case the planet, everybodys habitat- then that choice cannot be tolerated or ignored.

[bmed19]

you advocate questioning everything but ur attemps to elimiate meat consumption is seated in tradition more than nething. when confronted with change the easiest thing to do is to stop it. u say meat is bad for heath and env. ur solution: stop meat consumption. how is that progress? how is 'just stoping it' a way of questioning things or a way of giving ppl choice? how is critisizing ppls diet setting an example of the 'respect ethic' you are trying to instill on them by telling them to be veg?

[TangerineTangerine]

FIRST u question problematic subjects- THEN if u come up with a solution which solves these problems- u make the changes accordingly. im not instilling anything on u, but encouraging u to use ur head & choose reason &logic over habit. but what u choose to do is entirely up to u. we're all free 2 criticize- if no one questioned slavery, racism, sexism etc our world would look quite different today & so would our ethics. but u won't complain about that.

[danyellbella35]

because Meat is Murder

[Raatatosk]

In a very short statement:

1/3 of all milk and about the same amount of meat that is produced is wasted. 3 times the amount of shrimp is by catch and thrown overboard.

I know it's a self defense mechanism of you to attack non vegans but you gotta get with the truth and reality. Read reports from reputable source and learn about the wastes.

Another fact is that humankind is not evolved to depend on only vegan food, especially our brain.

[TangerineTangerine]

im not "attacking" u, why do u think that? millions of vegans around the world pretty much prove that vegan diet is just fine for our brains. ;) i agree w/ u about the waste- but no matter how u twist & turn it, animal agriculture & fishing cant support this planet if everyone is to have a fair share. not to mention the cruelty involved in it. is it worth it?? human population is skyrocketing- we cant continue w/ our old habits- + capitalism continues pushing 4 more waste.

[Raatatosk]

Many Greenpeace offices ARE vegan by rule, and others by individual choice. A lot of us are vegan but many of us, like me, are not. I don't want to change what we eat but instead I want us to concentrate on how we treat all the species on this fantastic planet, and to save the species and habitats that remain.

[TangerineTangerine]

yes, thats the problem, u want to change the world, but not yourself,,,

[Raatatosk]

WHAT do you know about me and what I've forsaken.

1. On spare time I help out with animals (threatened and abused pets).

2. I don't own a car.

3. I work for Greenpeace and therefore have a very low pay that will never get raised in my lifetime.

4. I never use more electricity than needed. Only one light bulb lit (in room I am atm). No power supplies plugged in unless used.

5. Special equipment for water and electricity to cut down on use.

6. TV is 16 years old and barely ever on.

ETC.

And u?

[TangerineTangerine]

i dont own a car & yes my tv is ancient too, i save electricity-never buy plastic or paper bags, & try not to waste in general. m into "homemade" stuff & recycle alot+ volunteer in local animal shelter. im not perfect but u can do all this & still b vegan, save 100s of lives per year by boycotting cruelty. animal agriculture is a major waste of energy & water. rain forests suffer too... u can minimize that waste significantly by simply switching 2 a plant based diet.

[kHovsT]

Great video Greenpeace!

Hope the major retailers in the world follow the example of those said in the video.

[Neversavealegend]

This isn't true.

[foxisnotnews]

why do you think that

[doffy1]

Thank you, Greenpeace! Well made! Let's hope it strikes home to more people.

[Myfrogsnameisbob]

Wow, this is so sad.  People need to stop pushing these species to extinction. :(

[lindapochinda]

This is an amazing video. It really gave me a better perspective on the hole subject. :-)