This is a shitty design thanks to the french canadians at Bombardier. Typically what happens is water gets into the flap actuators and freezes at altitude. When the pilot tries to lower the flaps the " skew detection unit" senses the frozen actuator is not moving correctly and disables the system by applying the BPSU brake position sensing unit. A brake that holds the flaps in position, effectively locking them in position. They can only be reset by maintenance.
This is simply a declared emergency, not an emergency situation. The pilot does not have speed cards to cover a zero flap landing therefore a zero flap landing is not (legal) Or approved technique by the FAA. A flap fail message from the flap systems FECU flap electronic control unit causes flap control to be locked out when a malfunction is detected. This is a safety feature of the system designed to prevent the pilot from being able to lower the flaps when it is not safe to do so.
@MrGopherhead Guess this is a CRJ100/200 then?? Where can you tell?? nothing in the description about what plane it is... -700 -900 -1000 have slats...
@prussell890 we know it is true because even tho he showed the wing only at the beggining theyu would not be deploying the flaps at 500foot with 40 seconds to go till landing with emergency crews waitign for them
@prussell890 Flaps are generally going to be fully extended by the time the aircraft is at this point of the approach. The fact that they're not deployed at all in the beginning makes this video legitimate. The CRJ can be a bitch to land with no flaps/slats!
@prussell890 If u knew anything about airline type of approaches or anything about aircraft in general, u would know that they throw on their first notch of flap on the 5th to last AP of a STAR procedure (aka 36 miles out)this guy was on 3 mile final to JFK in an EMB 190 with an apporach speed of 145 knots, you seriously are the dope for not realizing that even a piper arrow(single engine aircraft since u do not know planes) would have at least 1 or 2 knotchs of flap on 3 mile final
@codzomz haha makes me laugh how who tell me I have a lack of knowledge on aircraft. Well let me tell you something...I have a degree in aerodynamics engineering so yes I laugh at you. Secondly I love it how you define extending flaps as notches...I mean wtf is notches. Thirdly flaps extend in degrees i.e 1 to 5 degrees are generally used to restrict a civil aircraft to 250 knots below 10,000 feet. Without fully extended flaps an aircraft cannot approach at 145 knots.
@prussell890 Pilots care about specifics of aircraft, but at embry, kent or BE=eaver County, any of the well known flight schools they say notches, sure on most EICAS it specifies degrees but from most GA pilot they say notches thats why I don't specify because it falls into a large croud of understanding, even so mr. engineer, u just went against everything u said in original comment about how no proof of no flaps on landing so u just tried to dispell my argument by fucking ur own
@codzomz I dont even rememeber the original comment I made it was that long ago. But what I say is no bullshit. I know that modern aircraft use stages 1+F, 2, and 3! 1+F is used for takeoff and below 10,000 feet. Aircraft cannot takeoff without flaps. The flaps are deployed as you can clearly see the splats (well I can) and the flaps are visisble but my knowledge on this specific type of aircraft si limited because it is no longer in production.
@prussell890 ummmm, are you blind?, of course the slats are deployed those are not the ones that failed and they run off two different hydraulic systems on this type of aircraftthen the flaps, but the first 3 seconds clearly show that the flaps are still up on a *medium* class (by weight) TURBINE aircraft (aka *fast* for the ones lacking in brain function) and this aircraft is on three mile final, I do not know how you got a degree with no common sense...
@codzomz ok firstly this is kinda annoying me now because you think you know everything but in fact you are telling me things I knew 10 years ago. 737's have four unique hydraulic system with their own pumps, reserviors etc... but the slats run off the SAME hydraulic system as the flaps. I don't give a shit about aircraft designs that are no longer in production cus there poorly designed and un economical. Do you even know what flaps and slats do? I bet you look it up before answering.
@prussell890 Umm, I fly for the airlines so I know exactly what they both do, the two words, if you actually know what you are talking about, is DRAG and CHORD-LINE and this is a CRJ and it IS still in production, and this has three unique systems not four, and where the fuck is a 737 coming in?, you don't know shit about aircraft if you cannot look at a wing and see it is not a 737 wing, just cause it has winglets doesn't mean it is a 737, do you even know what winglets do? look THAT up, bitch!
@codzomz I didnt't say this was a 737, I said I know alot about Boeing and Airbus aircraft and not Bombardier so I used a 737 as an example. Winglets do the follwowing: allow aircraft to have shorter wings (i.e Airbus A380), they reduce the amount of lift loss as the end of the wings caused by a spiral of air and finally they are 10% more fuel efficient. Again this is basic. Work for the airlines, what as a baggage staff? haha. oh and you mean INCREASE LIFT AT LOWER SPEEDS (FLAPS)
@prussell890 No, I mean it changes the cord line, the speed is irrelevant with slats and flaps, if you change the aerodynamic shape of the airfoil and create a larger cord line, you develop large amounts of INDUCED DRAG, regardless of speed, it just so happens that this change in chord line and AoA can give the aircraft the opportunity to function at lower speeds, and the length of the wing is actually the same length on most aircraft with winglets, just eliminates WTV,
@Chatefucio Actually, all new aircraft are required to be able to safely land - fully loaded - with nothing except wheel breaks. This was strictly done as a "precaution".
@Cathaydude then why were emergency vehicles waiting? besides, getting below 1500ft without flaps would triggered an aural and visual warning on the flight deck.
although u would think flaps make u stop faster, that is false, they r used to increase decent rate and not air speed. upon touchdown flaps are raised up so that gravity overcomes lift faster allowing more weight to be exerted onto the landing gears thus helping the plane stop faster. and typically airpspeed during final approach are still the same maybe 5-10 knots faster but normally the same speed still applies since the plane will stall well slower than the approach speed with or w/o flaps.
@CaptainBergs they would make you slow faster, be creating more lift and there should be a slight decrease in speed, although you know more about it than me, i still think its true
but, you would be decreasing speed to extend more flaps anyway so you cant really tell
but its like going along in a car and putting your hand out the window flat, then lowering your little finger, it will cause more drag and that would decrease the plane if it was on the planes scale :P
@BringEllisTheHoriZon are u a pilot? cuz thats one of the first things u learn while landing, if u decrease lift, meaning u raise the flaps or dont use them, u can stop faster(after touchdown) due to the absence of lift. and no they dont make u slow faster, beacause the friction between u and the ground is less because of the lift that the flaps are creating, if they r up, u rapidly decrease ur lift, therefor increasing ur "weight" which stops u faster than anything else while on the runway.
@CaptainBergs im not a pilot, no which is why i said you know more, but upon landing is totally different to the final approach
putting flaps down increases lift and causes drag because of it, it pushes air down more instead of smoothly gliding over as much as it did
thats the reason i said it, its logical, the physics are correct, and upon landing is different and you are right about that, if you have less air being pushed down by the wings then it will be able to slow down with the brakes
@BringEllisTheHoriZon ok, iwas tryn to say whether u fly an approach to land with or w/o flaps your indicated airspeed is still the same, so ur ground speed until touchdown is still the same, approach speeds are always 1.3 VSO which is ur stall speed in landing config x 1.3, now if the plane is not designed to be able to land w/o flaps, then the no flaps landing will be diff, but in most planes, 1.3 x stall speed w/flaps, is more than enough when landing w/o them. sorry for the confusion
@BringEllisTheHoriZon if u have ever sat in a window seat on a airliner, u will notice, that upon touchdown, flaps come up, spoilers are deployed(they stop any lift from accouring in that area of the wing, aka speed brakes) and in some cases reverse thrusters and wheel braking is sometimes applied, all of these, decrease lift.
@CaptainBergs (no.2) a lot more efficiently and so will the spoilers and in some cases, the reverse thrust, although the reverse thrust isnt effected by the wheels or flaps
but yeah, you didnt get what i said in my original response, it was just a lame reply to your comment, on a silly issue you said, nothing major, but i still believe the physics of what ive said in all comments about the aircraft is correct, but you where on about upon landing, you just misunderstood my response, its fine :)
YAWN......a non event!
congaleader2000 3 months ago
This is a shitty design thanks to the french canadians at Bombardier. Typically what happens is water gets into the flap actuators and freezes at altitude. When the pilot tries to lower the flaps the " skew detection unit" senses the frozen actuator is not moving correctly and disables the system by applying the BPSU brake position sensing unit. A brake that holds the flaps in position, effectively locking them in position. They can only be reset by maintenance.
MrGopherhead 3 months ago
This is simply a declared emergency, not an emergency situation. The pilot does not have speed cards to cover a zero flap landing therefore a zero flap landing is not (legal) Or approved technique by the FAA. A flap fail message from the flap systems FECU flap electronic control unit causes flap control to be locked out when a malfunction is detected. This is a safety feature of the system designed to prevent the pilot from being able to lower the flaps when it is not safe to do so.
MrGopherhead 3 months ago
the flaps depend on speed, wind and how big is the runway so it maybe was a normal landing
notyourbussines551 4 months ago
@notyourbussines551 No it's an abnormal landing. Flaps have to be used.
Snafu320 4 months ago
where is the emergency? tcp´s dont say anything, this is a normal land
darkeos 4 months ago
@darkeos
Flaps are not used, this is not a normal landing.
CuseRecorder 4 months ago
Think they hit a drunk dude crossing the runway llol.
getalife67 4 months ago
0:46 Literally a punch.
Fervorum 5 months ago
0:48
daian0205 6 months ago
you never showed the wing once except at the start so how do we know this is true you dope lol!!!
prussell890 6 months ago 14
@prussell890 You can see the slats aint out either...
ollo1982 5 months ago
@ollo1982 This aircrat is not equipt with slats
MrGopherhead 3 months ago
@MrGopherhead Guess this is a CRJ100/200 then?? Where can you tell?? nothing in the description about what plane it is... -700 -900 -1000 have slats...
ollo1982 3 months ago
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@prussell890 we know it is true because even tho he showed the wing only at the beggining theyu would not be deploying the flaps at 500foot with 40 seconds to go till landing with emergency crews waitign for them
alexorangesailor 3 months ago
@prussell890 Flaps are generally going to be fully extended by the time the aircraft is at this point of the approach. The fact that they're not deployed at all in the beginning makes this video legitimate. The CRJ can be a bitch to land with no flaps/slats!
capflight4105 3 months ago
@prussell890
in the first seconds of the video you can see clearly that are flaps 0. only the slats are out. its a crj-700
Cobra3010 3 months ago
@prussell890 If u knew anything about airline type of approaches or anything about aircraft in general, u would know that they throw on their first notch of flap on the 5th to last AP of a STAR procedure (aka 36 miles out)this guy was on 3 mile final to JFK in an EMB 190 with an apporach speed of 145 knots, you seriously are the dope for not realizing that even a piper arrow(single engine aircraft since u do not know planes) would have at least 1 or 2 knotchs of flap on 3 mile final
codzomz 3 months ago
@codzomz haha makes me laugh how who tell me I have a lack of knowledge on aircraft. Well let me tell you something...I have a degree in aerodynamics engineering so yes I laugh at you. Secondly I love it how you define extending flaps as notches...I mean wtf is notches. Thirdly flaps extend in degrees i.e 1 to 5 degrees are generally used to restrict a civil aircraft to 250 knots below 10,000 feet. Without fully extended flaps an aircraft cannot approach at 145 knots.
prussell890 3 months ago
@prussell890 Pilots care about specifics of aircraft, but at embry, kent or BE=eaver County, any of the well known flight schools they say notches, sure on most EICAS it specifies degrees but from most GA pilot they say notches thats why I don't specify because it falls into a large croud of understanding, even so mr. engineer, u just went against everything u said in original comment about how no proof of no flaps on landing so u just tried to dispell my argument by fucking ur own
codzomz 2 months ago
@codzomz I dont even rememeber the original comment I made it was that long ago. But what I say is no bullshit. I know that modern aircraft use stages 1+F, 2, and 3! 1+F is used for takeoff and below 10,000 feet. Aircraft cannot takeoff without flaps. The flaps are deployed as you can clearly see the splats (well I can) and the flaps are visisble but my knowledge on this specific type of aircraft si limited because it is no longer in production.
prussell890 2 months ago
@prussell890 ummmm, are you blind?, of course the slats are deployed those are not the ones that failed and they run off two different hydraulic systems on this type of aircraftthen the flaps, but the first 3 seconds clearly show that the flaps are still up on a *medium* class (by weight) TURBINE aircraft (aka *fast* for the ones lacking in brain function) and this aircraft is on three mile final, I do not know how you got a degree with no common sense...
codzomz 2 months ago
@codzomz ok firstly this is kinda annoying me now because you think you know everything but in fact you are telling me things I knew 10 years ago. 737's have four unique hydraulic system with their own pumps, reserviors etc... but the slats run off the SAME hydraulic system as the flaps. I don't give a shit about aircraft designs that are no longer in production cus there poorly designed and un economical. Do you even know what flaps and slats do? I bet you look it up before answering.
prussell890 2 months ago
@prussell890 Umm, I fly for the airlines so I know exactly what they both do, the two words, if you actually know what you are talking about, is DRAG and CHORD-LINE and this is a CRJ and it IS still in production, and this has three unique systems not four, and where the fuck is a 737 coming in?, you don't know shit about aircraft if you cannot look at a wing and see it is not a 737 wing, just cause it has winglets doesn't mean it is a 737, do you even know what winglets do? look THAT up, bitch!
codzomz 2 months ago
@codzomz I didnt't say this was a 737, I said I know alot about Boeing and Airbus aircraft and not Bombardier so I used a 737 as an example. Winglets do the follwowing: allow aircraft to have shorter wings (i.e Airbus A380), they reduce the amount of lift loss as the end of the wings caused by a spiral of air and finally they are 10% more fuel efficient. Again this is basic. Work for the airlines, what as a baggage staff? haha. oh and you mean INCREASE LIFT AT LOWER SPEEDS (FLAPS)
prussell890 2 months ago
@prussell890 No, I mean it changes the cord line, the speed is irrelevant with slats and flaps, if you change the aerodynamic shape of the airfoil and create a larger cord line, you develop large amounts of INDUCED DRAG, regardless of speed, it just so happens that this change in chord line and AoA can give the aircraft the opportunity to function at lower speeds, and the length of the wing is actually the same length on most aircraft with winglets, just eliminates WTV,
codzomz 2 months ago
@prussell890 Just pause it at the begining.....
xxxGhostTeam2xxx 13 hours ago
Could anyone tell me if a tire was blown during this landing? My friend thinks it did, I say the noise is the pilot applying the bakes very hard.
apadro 7 months ago
ouch...did some 1 get punched at :48 ? lol
maverick79606 7 months ago 41
@maverick79606 hhhh Looool xD
elitecomx11 6 months ago
@maverick79606 Punched by batman
tahoeskiier 6 months ago
@maverick79606, lmao
necessaryevil101 3 months ago
Yeah, you can't do it on each apt. cause runways are usualy too short for it. But JFK has very long runways so it is possible to do it.
Chatefucio 11 months ago
@Chatefucio Actually, all new aircraft are required to be able to safely land - fully loaded - with nothing except wheel breaks. This was strictly done as a "precaution".
ataramprat 8 months ago
omg no flaps!
3fool17278 1 year ago
maybe it could be a pilot error
Cathaydude 1 year ago
@Cathaydude then why were emergency vehicles waiting? besides, getting below 1500ft without flaps would triggered an aural and visual warning on the flight deck.
GatwickSpotting 1 year ago
@GatwickSpotting i cant see the emergency vehicles
Cathaydude 1 year ago
@Cathaydude read the description.
GatwickSpotting 1 year ago
@GatwickSpotting i did but i didnt see and red vehicles
Cathaydude 1 year ago
@Cathaydude Not my problem, but do be aware you were wrong about pilot error.
GatwickSpotting 1 year ago
although u would think flaps make u stop faster, that is false, they r used to increase decent rate and not air speed. upon touchdown flaps are raised up so that gravity overcomes lift faster allowing more weight to be exerted onto the landing gears thus helping the plane stop faster. and typically airpspeed during final approach are still the same maybe 5-10 knots faster but normally the same speed still applies since the plane will stall well slower than the approach speed with or w/o flaps.
CaptainBergs 1 year ago
@CaptainBergs they would make you slow faster, be creating more lift and there should be a slight decrease in speed, although you know more about it than me, i still think its true
but, you would be decreasing speed to extend more flaps anyway so you cant really tell
but its like going along in a car and putting your hand out the window flat, then lowering your little finger, it will cause more drag and that would decrease the plane if it was on the planes scale :P
(im just bored, not a dick)
BringEllisTheHoriZon 1 year ago
@BringEllisTheHoriZon are u a pilot? cuz thats one of the first things u learn while landing, if u decrease lift, meaning u raise the flaps or dont use them, u can stop faster(after touchdown) due to the absence of lift. and no they dont make u slow faster, beacause the friction between u and the ground is less because of the lift that the flaps are creating, if they r up, u rapidly decrease ur lift, therefor increasing ur "weight" which stops u faster than anything else while on the runway.
CaptainBergs 1 year ago
@CaptainBergs im not a pilot, no which is why i said you know more, but upon landing is totally different to the final approach
putting flaps down increases lift and causes drag because of it, it pushes air down more instead of smoothly gliding over as much as it did
thats the reason i said it, its logical, the physics are correct, and upon landing is different and you are right about that, if you have less air being pushed down by the wings then it will be able to slow down with the brakes
BringEllisTheHoriZon 1 year ago
@BringEllisTheHoriZon ok, iwas tryn to say whether u fly an approach to land with or w/o flaps your indicated airspeed is still the same, so ur ground speed until touchdown is still the same, approach speeds are always 1.3 VSO which is ur stall speed in landing config x 1.3, now if the plane is not designed to be able to land w/o flaps, then the no flaps landing will be diff, but in most planes, 1.3 x stall speed w/flaps, is more than enough when landing w/o them. sorry for the confusion
CaptainBergs 1 year ago
@CaptainBergs yeah, thanks :) i didnt know it was 1.3VSO stall speed, but thanks for the info :)
BringEllisTheHoriZon 1 year ago
@BringEllisTheHoriZon if u have ever sat in a window seat on a airliner, u will notice, that upon touchdown, flaps come up, spoilers are deployed(they stop any lift from accouring in that area of the wing, aka speed brakes) and in some cases reverse thrusters and wheel braking is sometimes applied, all of these, decrease lift.
CaptainBergs 1 year ago
@CaptainBergs (no.2) a lot more efficiently and so will the spoilers and in some cases, the reverse thrust, although the reverse thrust isnt effected by the wheels or flaps
but yeah, you didnt get what i said in my original response, it was just a lame reply to your comment, on a silly issue you said, nothing major, but i still believe the physics of what ive said in all comments about the aircraft is correct, but you where on about upon landing, you just misunderstood my response, its fine :)
BringEllisTheHoriZon 1 year ago
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mgiannelis 1 year ago
If you look close......the leading edge flaps are actually down. This landing could have been alot faster...
mgiannelis 1 year ago
Is it a CRJ ?
Skipper56270 1 year ago
you just need a long runway and good breaks...nothing dangerous otherwise
MyEmpire91 1 year ago
its so more fast than the normal landing!
TheSamuelfly 1 year ago