@JoelTheCalvinist Maybe you should take a break in reading the bible and start reading "Chariots of the Gods" by Von Daniken or "The Lost Book of Enki" by Zecharia Sitchin. This is another perspective to think critically out of the box. Archeologists are digging out new things (evidence) of where we come from.
So why don't any Christian amputees have enough faith in the power of God? Why don't Christians start off with someone who had the tip of his/her little finger amputated and then work their way up to full limbs?
This guy has absolutely no idea what he is talking about. His assumptions that a placebo actually 'cures' and that atheists have no moral code, etc. prove he's not educated on what a placebo actually does (ie. nothing), or understands atheism.
Just because you 'believe' or have faith in something doesn't make things happen. Only 'work' (ie in the scientific sense) can obtain results. Prayer is no more work than snoring.
Two hands working will always provide more than 10,000 clasped in prayer.
If there is no lord, why should we care if people have lost limbs? In a world without the lord amputations wouldn’t be “good” or “bad”. They would simply be, a fact of life no different from a tree shedding leaves in the fall.
With that said, why did so many people get raised from the dead in the bible and still are today? How much faith does a dead person have? And why is it only the people with a whole lot of faith that are legitimately raising the dead (Wigglesworth, David Hogen, Heidi Baker, John G Lake)?
We believed our diseases can be healed (by god if you like) because we hear of it happening, because we know it's possible, not because we don't see them. That naive line of thought is just dumb, not to mention some diseases have very noticeable effects on the body
The first humans didn't know a severed arm wouldn't heal, and still it didn't grow back no matter how much faith they had. So the lack of faith is provoked by God not healing amputees, not the other way around
amputees have been healed. this last week actually. this last week my girlfriend went to a youth conference and they went to all of the malls in the Atlanta area and she law people's legs grow back. their arms grow and and their hands. many of you may not believe it without proof but she isn't one to make this stuff up.
Well that was weak. God doesn't heal amputees because no amputee in history has had sufficient faith to activate the placebo effect.
Here's an alternative explanation and my ATHEISTIC PROPHECY, And so it is written!
Prayer and faith don't heal amputations because Science hasn't managed to figure out how to do it. But in a few years when that's accomplished by Scientific/medical research then God will be miraculously be getting credit for regrowing limbs up the ying-yang.
God DOES heal amputees. Look up the ministry of T L Osborne. Osborn was the Billy Graham of Africa. Many of the healings in his crusades were captured on camera. One guy had been crawling on the ground for over 20 years! His legs didn't work for some reason. But God healed him.
Basically if a person wants healing he needs to go to a ministry who BELIEVES that God can heal them. I have seen too many healings to say its not true. But some people don't get healing right away.
First of all God DOES heal amputees!!!! However like most of God's healings today there are so few people who actually pray that God will heal them and then we in Charismatic circles have learned that some miracles seem to be fairly easy and others take a lot of power.
For those who would like further proof of what I said look up the ministry of TL Osborne or Kenneth Hagin. Osborne was kind of the Billy Graham of Africa. He preached to crouds of thousands and God healed many amputees.
So you actually claim that your god likes that some people suffer or that itself is the cause of the suffering. I my opinion this makes it a sadist, not a god.
Your definition of placebo is a bit off. In an experiment to see if tylenol works one group is given tylenol, while the other group is given a pill that only contains inert ingredients, also called a placebo. Sometimes placebos have an effect and sometimes they don't. Some conditions, no matter what the people believe, have no reaction to placebos.
I've heard the nonsense about prayer.....that God answers all prayers, but sometimes the answer is yes or no or not now. Well guess what? Those are EXACTLY the same options you have when you DON'T pray. For anything you desire or need....the outcome will ALWAYS be either YES or NO or YOU'LL HAVE TO WAIT. So....what's the use in praying? Sounds like God was quite the scam artist to me. Anyone buying into the prayer scam is pretty gullible.
There is nothing funnier than watching a Christian squirm and slide around a direct question. You can practically see his brain twisting to come up with excuses for his non - performing god. Hey buddy...let me help you. God doesn't heal amputees because there is no such thing as god. There.....that wasn't so hard now, was it?
If there is no God, why should we care if people have lost limbs? in a world void of God, lost limbs would be indifferent that is not good or bad; they would simply be, a fact of life no different from a tree shedding leaves. Attacking theism on a moral basis undermines the argument.
Okay. I am a double amputee since birth (6 months old). As a child, I had that blind faith of a child...you know, the kind of faith the bible says we need to have. And i prayed for real legs, my OWN legs. And the bible said that if I believed (had faith) then I would receive. 26 years later I am still am amputee. So uhm I guess I didn't believe hard enough? B/c the bible NEVER said I had to have a certain amount of faith. WAIT it did!! The size of a mustard seed. And I'm still amputated.
@JoelTheCalvinist Impossible yet the bible says that's all we need. It means the tiniest bit of faith. The point is you are saying amputees don't have the faith and CANNOT have faith. Yet, the bible says if you believe you shall receive (Mat 22:21). The bible says all I have to do is believe. It also said anything I ask in the name of jesus is mine...once again still an amputee. I'm not naive like I was at 8yrs old on this.
@TLS83 - There is more to it than believing and asking...
"And this is the confidence that we have toward him, that if we ask anything according to his will he hears us. And if we know that he hears us in whatever we ask, we know that we have the requests that we have asked of him."
@JoelTheCalvinist Where did the quote come from? B/c I've never read "according to his will" an ANY translation I've owned of the bible. And if it is in one, it was added as a way to get around why prayers aren't answered. Ask and if it's his will? definitely not what Matthew 22:21 said. Definitely not what we were told when we said faith the size of a mustard seed. Def not what we were told when it said ask in jesus name and it shall be yours.
Jesus wasn't an idiot, and neither were his followers. They knew obviously that they couldn't just ask for anything. Jesus often speak enigmatically. Leaving full truth to be revealed in holistic revelation. What you're looking for is a reason not to believe.
@JoelTheCalvinist FYI, I'm not an athiest if that is what you are getting at. I am not looking for a reason not to believe. I think it's faulty reasoning to say he didn't mean it that way so we should not have taken it that way. god must have known that the book he inspired would be taken at face value.
@JoelTheCalvinist PS - thanks for the references. Once again, however, it went from "believe, ask, receive" to "believe, ask, if it's his will, receive". Not a good look at all.
It sounds like what I used to tell people: You can ask for it. God will give you three answers yes/no/not now. But how do we know if something is no or not now? We don't! Can you really think it's his will for someone to be disabled for life? Jesus healed the lame men. That's all I'm saying.
@TLS83 - I believe it is God's will for some people to be crippled their whole life.
1 Peter 2 details how when people suffer unjustly, they are fitting into the form of Christ (who also suffered unjustly). It's just one more way to glorify God in our weakness, because God's strength is made perfect in our weakness (2 Cor 12).
Then how come virtually every one Jesus healed was healed completely? Why didn't Jesus say "no, its God's will that you suffer by having this disease?" Yes Christians suffer but look it up - it was due to preaching the word or because satan was trying to take them out.
@jchunt125 Be careful here, your answer as to why Jesus doesn't heal everyone now is looking to be pretty terrible. Remember, Paul, Timothy, and millions of other Christians have had afflictions throughout their lives -- and most not being because of preaching. Look at Timothy. How are stomach problems related to his preaching? Is it because Jesus doesn't want to heal them? Can't heal them? Or has a different reason?
@JoelTheCalvinist pt 2. But I do like that last part. "if we know that he hears us..." But we can't really know, right? It's not like we can say "hey did you hear me?" and he'll say yes/no. But go back to even me being a child where believing in the unimaginable is easy! I prayed then. I believed then. I asked then. And still am amputated. You can't tell me that children are not full of faith and confidence and belief. It's how we all were at some point.
@JoelTheCalvinist pt2 - your attempt at an answer to this question fell flat. You did not rebut anything the original video said. What you did was blame the victim. All you had to do is admit that it is physically impossible for most mammals (us included). God will not heal amputees b/c he can't. It has nothing to do with not revealing himself since miracles seemed to be a part of everyday life in those days.
@JoelTheCalvinist pt3 But to say it's due to a lack of faith? Apparently you do not personally know an amputated person. We probably prayed many times to be "normal" and stopped having faith when nothing happened or when we woke up to the world of science.
Yes, but how many people do you know that are trying to remove mountains by faith? No one I know. In my opinion the 'mustand seed of faith' is the pure rhema word that comes directly from God. THAT faith will remove mountains. If you look up faith in the bible it talks of great faith, little faith and everything in between. The 'mustard seed' is the divine faith that drops into a persons spirit by God.
I am an atheist and i actually agree, but now the question is what is the point of praying FOR somebody ..
If a friend or a family member is sick, following your logic it's totally nonsense to pray for him, you can't have placebo effect on somebody else, right?
SO, yeah, to pray is useless, i agree ... sure you are a christian 'cause the bible says otherwise ;)
Hey, I like your response. You used good reasoning... One thing though is that I know a couple creditable cases of arms and fingers growing back. The one with the finger grew back in two weeks time, with nail. The arm was actually instant.
You make a good point as to the amount of faith for a person to believe in such a miracle. The incredible miracles usually happen in third world countries where logic and reasoning is not dominate. The people just have a stronger faith to believe
He has and he does and there are many documented accounts of limbs growing back that were lost. As an example William Seymour (at the Azusa Street Revival of 100 years ago which birthed the Pentecostal Movement and has lead to over 100,000,000 conversions since then). He specifically laid hands on two amputees one missing a leg and one missing an arm (the entire arm there was no bone even in the shoulder socket) and they both completely grew back in front of everyone present.
Maybe the physical world is meant to be a place where people have the freedom to believe or not, so that events like healing someone who has lost a limb or other such events that would prove the supernatural would not happen, because they would deprive us of choice. I've done psychic work before, and I know that it's real and possible, but if I describe my experiences to people who don't believe, they accuse me of lying. So, maybe faith is personal in that we have to come to it freely.
BECAUSE if you are a Christian you know God is in control and he will help you in whatever you need help in.
if this is the case why pray for anything EVER. And if God is in control next time somebody shoots you or you get a serious injury go to the church and not the hospital?? Not to mention if he is in control why ever protest abortion clinics, or gays?? Why make videos if you have faith god will deliver us the message in his own way..you christians have a lot to learn about faith
I don't thiunk u have a clear understanding of how someone gets "healed".Simply put> With or without any god thing involved, a person's great attitude can have an equal effect. If Believing in god does the trick, then will attribute and account it to "that". The truth is> Having a positive attitude, no matter what the circumstances is what " does it ".
Always. However- no limbs can grow, no matter how much we pray or how positive we become...
Sooo,...God won't heal amputees because He really isn't the one doing the healing anyway? And no one has enough faith to MAKE it happen anyway?? Wow. That's a whole different take. I disagree. Firstly, I have NO doubt that there is no shortage of believers with sufficient faith. That's a bit of a slap in the face to those Christians who have prayed and believed earnestly for their limb to be restored. My angle is quite simple; The 'age of miracles' ceased with the death of the last Apostle.
Your explanation of the placebo effect is very wrong. The placebo effect is purely psychological and only applies to subjective things such as how bad something hurts. It does not and can not "heal" anything.
God does not heal amputees because he is either spiteful or he does not exist. Faith does not heal because you don't have any evidence to support your claims.
Why is it that every atheist is "angry"? Some are, sure, but christians claim that all atheists are angry. This simply is not true. I guess it's not the only thing that christians claim, that is totally incorrect.
We can have enough faith to heal things like Cancer, one of the most dreadfull of things any human can be told they have, but not enough to regrow even the tip of a pinky finger? Youre a GOD damn idiot.
Ok to answer this question. If the person had a limb cut off and was the BIGGEST Christian you know he probably wouldn't pray for it to come back BECAUSE if you are a Christian you know God is in control and he will help you in whatever you need help in.
Wow this guy just said that amputees don't have faith that their injury can be healed/restored by god. I wonder how all the christian soldiers who have lost limbs in Iraq feel about that. It's a pretty terrible thing to say. If god can create the earth he can definetely restore someones arm or leg. Saying otherwise is a contradiction to your faith. I on the other hand don't believe in any form of god, so the answer is easy. God does not restore anyones limbs because there is not god.
God cares more about who you are, than what you have done. God cares more about your eternal soul, than for your temporary body. God cares more about you, than He cares about the price He (not you) had to pay.
They might not BELIEVE that God will 'grow their nub' back, however they may blindly HOPE, and in fact blindly PRAY that he will. There's a difference between belief and blind hope, I know if I was religious, and I believed in miricles through God etc, then I would hope, and I would pray that God would heal me. If people have enough faith to devote their entire lives to a God, surely they have enough faith to pray and hope for a normal life again...Think about it...
Wow, there have been hundreds, thousands of people who have grown back limbs! the crazy thing is the world is blind to what Jesus is doing on the earth right now. Amazing miracles have happened even in the last 10 years and people think they are fake or just havnt heard of them. God will not bother for people who think his miracles are fake, or for people who ask questions like "Why doesnt God heal amputees?" so they can test His power. He doesnt need to prove anything to those people.
were not testing shit. the face remains, there is no proof of godzzz, your god or any other. id like to think im living in the 21st century not the 1st century
If you have faith to move mountains, it shall be done for you. Its not a matter of a question that God won't heal amputees, its a matter of time. We all think God has to do this now on our time table, why isnt he doing it now, while he is on a whole different time table than us. God doesn't heal people unless we are the hands that bring healing to people, and if his people doesn't have the faith to move mountains, then its not going to happen. Its a matter of time, not the question of why cant.
Did you just basically admit to God not helping in anyway.
"Faith" being a placebo for the body to physically cure it's self.
Asking God alone, without "Faith" yields no results.
So you could just believe that you will be cured, and not have to believe in God, cause apparently, praying to him won't do anything unless your body is tricked by your mind into believing something will happen.
This is a trick question...you can't actually "heal" lost limbs, you can only heal things such as wounds for e.g. The more intelligent question to ask would be.
Why won't God restore lost limbs?
Now you can expound on this.
I would say that for God to restore lost limbs he would have had to revert back to fully God to recreate the lost limbs just as he made adam and eve. Something which would not have made him serve his purpose as a human on earth.
Well if God is supposedly the most powerful being in the whole universe, and he can't so much as restore a lost limb on a human, he's not very powerful is he?
On that day you will not question me about anything. Amen, amen, I say to you, whatever you ask the Father in my name he will give you. Until now you have not asked anything in my name; ask and you will receive, so that your joy may be complete. (John 16:23-24 NAB)
It was not you who chose me, but I who chose you and appointed you to go and bear fruit that will remain, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name he may give you. (John 15:16 NAB)
And whatever you ask in my name, I will do, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask anything of me in my name, I will do it. (John 14:13-14 NAB)
Amen, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, 'Be lifted up and thrown into the sea,' and does not doubt in his heart but believes that what he says will happen, it shall be done for him. Therefore I tell you, all that you ask for in prayer, believe that you will receive it and it shall be yours. (Mark 11:24-25 NAB)
Again I say to you, that if two of you agree on earth about anything that they may ask, it shall be done for them by My Father who is in heaven. For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst. (Matthew 18:19-20 NAS)
And Jesus answered and said to them, "Truly I say to you, if you have faith and do not doubt, you will not only do what was done to the fig tree, but even if you say to this mountain, `Be taken up and cast into the sea,' it will happen. "And all things you ask in prayer, believing, you will receive." (Matthew 21:21-22 NAS)
Let me explain why God wont heal amputees. Here is how God answers prayer: Yes, No and Wait. As you can see this is no answer at all, it is the exact way a lucky 4 leaf clover works or anything that is imaginary or completely made up. Im a god also, and I answer prayers with Yes, No and Wait! If you use even the smallest part of your brain stem to think you can see what is happening here.
LOL I see you watched the other videos he made. That is not how God answers prayers. That is not how it is presented in Scripture either. This is how a selfish people look at prayer.
"Delight yourself in the Lord, and he will give you the desires of your heart."
If I'm happy in God, he will give me what makes me happy (God).
Of course, just calling those people that question your god and his assertions and statements as selfish is a copout. Ive never asked anything in prayer in my life, Ive always been an atheist, the evidence is just so overwhelming that all gods are complete fiction. Ill post some scripture and Id like your comments so I can see you dance around the issue some more.
I was referring to some Christians when I was talking about being selfish.
I won't have to dance around all of these scriptures, they are true. But obviously there is other elements involved since Jesus himself prayed for something and didn't receive it (Mat 26:39) as did Paul (2 Cor 12:8-9).
What I'm saying is that there is a misconception on the purpose of prayer. A selfish man says its a genie lamp, a humble man says he needs nothing but Grace of God. And to those, God gives everything.
You have a very clever response for most everything, and none of it needs a shred of evidence, very interesting slick talk. Millions of children are starving every day, half the worlds population died during the plague. 500 million died of smallpox in the last several centuries. Everything happens in the world because of how nature works, its called reality and then you have the theist explanation that clumsily fits over reality as a cheap façade.
Im not trying to be slick, I'm trying to be Biblical.
You left out the Inquisition when people were sawed in half until they confessed Jesus was Lord. I don't turn a blind eye to all of the terrible things in the world, I turn a new eye to them and see them for their overall purpose.
I live in a world of hope, your world seems full of despair since I can only hope to not die of a disease. You don't have to be a Christian, but I want you to be. Its pretty nice over here.
God does take care of an amputee in Heaven where God promises a new glorified body. Why do you think you can demand upon God like a little kid in a candy store crying for candy but mom says no. You see, you are thinking that life is over in about 100 years on earth. But for the Christian our life is not here, it starts in Heaven where eternity begins. Simple really. Just stop begging for candy. You will get it later kid. God says our reward is in Heaven!
Very ignorant response man, come on, I know you have no way to defend a god that does not exist but you can do better than that! The street is dry because it is not raining, but it will be wet when it does. The amputee will NEVER have another limb no matter how strong the faith or the prayer. So my conclusion that there is no god is completely valid.
This is the exact response I was looking for. Cessationalism would be a better answer. All I was saying was that you're looking at the conclusion then drawing the hypothesis.
Amputees not healed != God doesn't exist. Simply because there are many other (Biblical) factors. God is not obligated to heal anyone. It kind of turns into a universal negative and a moot point. You can't prove the absence of something by absence of desired effect.
Making excuses for your god? How do you know what god is obligated to do and what he is not? Its a fact that it rains, and when it does it gets wet, its testable. Comparing an invisible man to that is ridiculous. There are MANY other facts that prove the Christian god is completely imaginary, Im not interested in those, I just want a straight answer and not excuses for this one point. There is no reasonable answer, and that is why you dodge the question.
Prayer does not make a difference in healing the sick, curing disease, helping one survive cancer, or recover from surgery.
They've done dozens of studies, there has never been a correlation.
So either we can conclude that prayer doesn't work, or we can say that God turns his back on dying people who elect to participate in clinical studies.
"What amputee would believe that their arm would grow back if they prayed?" Any amputee who had read the Bible and actually believed it, that's who. God said "..if you ask ANYTHING in my name..". No "amputee" fine print. You mean the all powerful creator of the universe can't replace a lost limb? In Luke 22;50 - 22:51, God gave a guy a new ear. Hell, in Luke 7;11 - 7:15, he brought a dead guy back to life! LOL. I guess the dead guy had more faith then any of those thousands of amputees, huh?
Thousands of amputees throughout history and not one with enough faith to heal? LOL...yeah, right. Besides, the Bible clearly says "if you ask ANYTHING in my name", you shall have it. No fine print..either it's true or it's not. In Luke 22:50 - 22:51, God made a guy's ear grow back. Haven't seen anything like that lately. But that's nothing...in Luke 7:11 - 7:15, God brought a dead guy back to life. Now THAT'S faith. LOL! Haven't seen ol' God raising the dead lately, though. Have you?
So let me get this...out of all of the amputees throughout history, not one of them ever had enough faith to heal? LOL..ridiculous. Besides, the Bible clearly says "ask anything in my name" and you shall have it" There is no fine print there. Either it's true or it isn't. In Luke 22:50-22:51, God made a guy's ear grow back. But that's nothing...in Luke 7:11-7:15, God brought a dead guy back to life. Amazing faith for a dead guy. LOL! Haven't seen God raising the dead much lately. Have you?
I heard one fellow explain that amputation was not a disease but a way of healing something that might have caused death. Like we remove a gangrenous finger before it spreads to the arm so the amputation is actually God's way of healing. That seems reasonable but what about children who lose limbs in accidents caused by adults?
your video response was a joke. Okay so you don't know of 1 amputee ever being healed as you stated below so as the video your referring to says "Why wont God heal amputees"? There is no answer you can give as the video said. Secondly, if you know of 5 or 6 people that were completely healed of cancer then what about the multi of thousands that die from it everyday that are in fact "Christian"???? Seems your God is very picky but he is an all loving one....NOT.
So, people have enough faith to be healed of every other sort of disease (including cancer), but not if they are amputees? If they are amputees, they just can't muster enough faith, not one of them... ever. Not so much as a mustard seed's worth!
Strange.
Your answer is a cop-out, and you know it!
And what about that scripture which says 'if you ask anything in my name, it will be granted'?
So explain why only amputees lack enough faith to be healed?
I concur. "If you ask anything in my name, it will be granted"? why don't they just ask for enough faith and then use that magical faith to ask for a new limb?
"if you ask anything in my name" obviously refers to a certain person or people cuz i've asked for stuff and havent recieved it. a large amount of the Bible is historical, written so we in modern times would hear history in a Christian pov. not everything Jesus or God says is meant for you or me. obviously. as far as amputees, the earth is cursed. disaster injurs people. men are evil and they dismember people. all in the Bible even, and it doesn't say that God will always right every "wrong"
So if anyone doesn't have enough faith for their arm 2 grow back...how can anyone have that much faith that there is a supernatural being watching them 24/7 all of us simultaneously that we can't see or hear...out of all the people throughout history who have lost limbs you are telling me not one ever had that much faith...so god can't do anything then...my faith can cure cancer but can't grom my leg back?please!its funny faith only counts when it involves things we can't even prove.
I don't have the details Joel. But I have heard stories of miraculous regrowth. Is that really less likely then curing terminal illnesses like Cancer or AIDS?
Well done! A Christian who has figured it out! God won't heal amputees because they don't have enough faith - no one on Earth has that much faith.
The Placebo effect is what heals believers when they pray. It is also what heals Islamics when they pray. Even non-christ trained witch doctors. Its all just Placebo.
Well, the Placebo effect is something I DO believe in. If it happens to be what you call the power of prayer, I think that's fine. But remember, it even works for non-believers, and even voodoo witch doctors who try to use it for evil.
Even early English Kings have noticed its effect. There is historical record of 1000s healings from early kings, just by touching his clothing.
These effects do not require faith in God, but they do require faith in the healing (or harming - voodoo)
@simonrorke you've gotta be kidding! the bible (the christian rule book) never said how much faith was needed for a certain miracle. all it says is that you have to believe it will happen and it will. it says ask in jesus' name and it will. it says have faith the size of a mustard seed (that means a drop of faith) and it will happen. that was the only cndition to the miracles. IF you believe (we do) then you shall receive (I didn't). Placebo...okay. like the video said: making excuses.
Joel. I don't want to change the way of how you want to bring the message, but you need more of that. We need to preach the gospel more than anything. With all the respect I've never seen any Bible verses or anything about the gospel. People need to be saved. "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." - Romans 10:17. If they don't hear it they won't understand it. By going in circles they will perish and we as Christians will give accout to Him. God Bless brother.
I'm trying to understand what you are saying. If you are saying that this video steps around useless points and I just need to preach the Gospel, I would say that I just wanted to answer a question. Relevance, research, learning, and questioning are parts of strong faith.
What about the book of Esther? God isn't mentioned once. It is a book of historical relevance. Learning.
I know what you are saying, but I would bring up Hosea 4:6, "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge..."
God have a purpose for all. He have trials and different ways to manifest. And we as Chrsitians need to focus in the gospel more than anything, because miracles, speaking in tongues, baptism, or anything extra tha God gives us won't save us. If He wnats to heal He will do it because He do it for a purpose. We all have a decease which is sin. Now God can heal your sin with repentance and faith. You can be filled up with food in your stomach, but are you filled up with Him?
So your answer to this question is that god doesn't heal anything? We do? Hmmm...The question then becomes why won't god heal ANYBODY? If god is omnipotent, as many people of faith claim, then god must CHOOSE not to heal. Nice. Either that, or god can't heal. Either way, god sounds like a "real winner".
No not that God doesn't heal them--- He does --- but that possibly a person's faith is the determining factor. It just seems to be some sort of common grace given to everyone... like childbirth, emotions, sex, etc.
I mean, your parents chose to not give you chocolate cake to eat in bed when you were 2, does that mean they don't love you? We can't say that just because God doesn't give us whatever we want when we want that He's not a winner. It is very possibly that He has better things in mind.
So, your opinion is that amputees are not healed because their faith is lacking, less than the size of a mustard seed apparently.
It's always better to blame the victim I suppose. :/
I don't think you understand the placebo effect. A sugar pill you think is a cure for HIV will not give you the ability to 'faith' yourself into curing the disease.
I'm sure as the intelligent man that you appear to be you'd understand that you can interchange "amputees" with "sick", "ill", etc. Do they hope/pray that a god will relief them from their discomfort? Certainly so. Your (christian) god was able to change water to wine, walk on water, etc., why not grow back limbs? Miracles are miracles....
After your answer to question no.1, I don't think I'll be watching the ones to follow. Take care...
First of all: The questions aren't "flawed". The terms "good" and "bad" and "innocent" are based upon human common sense. Let's hope that you don't need a external moral law to internally identify whats good, bad and/or innocent.
Your answer to question #1 must only "catch christian off guard", it certainly doesn't do anything like that to an atheist. To be quite honest, your answer doesn't answer anything. Why does god no heal amputees? [2]
Either. If nobody tells me about the outcome of touching a hot stove, I will learn by experience. If my parents tell me to watch out I may listen to them (unless I'm stubborn and like to learn by trying). Just like I only learn about any *god* by my parents.. unless I like to learn on my own ....
That is what I was saying, if you learned it by yourself (observation maybe?) or an unsettling feeling about these people left you uneasy? Or someone explained what innocence was and you believed them?
What I'm getting at is that I could say these people are NOT innocent and you could say they ARE and our words would hold the same value. Or would you rely on majority? Well the majority isn't always right... take a look at the White House..
To Joelthecalvanist: Here we go again, you don't like the questions because it has flaws! Maybe its because you don't know and hate to admit it!!!
GUALLACOL 2 months ago
@GUALLACOL Of course I don't know. I did my best to answer it though.
JoelTheCalvinist 2 months ago
@JoelTheCalvinist Maybe you should take a break in reading the bible and start reading "Chariots of the Gods" by Von Daniken or "The Lost Book of Enki" by Zecharia Sitchin. This is another perspective to think critically out of the box. Archeologists are digging out new things (evidence) of where we come from.
GUALLACOL 2 months ago
@GUALLACOL They've been doing that for a long time...
JoelTheCalvinist 2 months ago
So why don't any Christian amputees have enough faith in the power of God? Why don't Christians start off with someone who had the tip of his/her little finger amputated and then work their way up to full limbs?
ozmoroid 4 months ago
God kills more than satan. Just look at the OT. I can see this guy struggling to come up with an excuse
WorldMilitia 5 months ago
This guy has absolutely no idea what he is talking about. His assumptions that a placebo actually 'cures' and that atheists have no moral code, etc. prove he's not educated on what a placebo actually does (ie. nothing), or understands atheism.
Just because you 'believe' or have faith in something doesn't make things happen. Only 'work' (ie in the scientific sense) can obtain results. Prayer is no more work than snoring.
Two hands working will always provide more than 10,000 clasped in prayer.
StarPathOne 1 year ago
If there is no lord, why should we care if people have lost limbs? In a world without the lord amputations wouldn’t be “good” or “bad”. They would simply be, a fact of life no different from a tree shedding leaves in the fall.
coolst0rybro 1 year ago
This guy is a fuking idiot geez
WakkaOwnages 1 year ago
With that said, why did so many people get raised from the dead in the bible and still are today? How much faith does a dead person have? And why is it only the people with a whole lot of faith that are legitimately raising the dead (Wigglesworth, David Hogen, Heidi Baker, John G Lake)?
tacos0up 1 year ago
What a half-assed answer
We believed our diseases can be healed (by god if you like) because we hear of it happening, because we know it's possible, not because we don't see them. That naive line of thought is just dumb, not to mention some diseases have very noticeable effects on the body
The first humans didn't know a severed arm wouldn't heal, and still it didn't grow back no matter how much faith they had. So the lack of faith is provoked by God not healing amputees, not the other way around
gabo694 1 year ago
There is no good answer for this question. Christians just need to admit it and move on.
whoopiman 1 year ago
amputees have been healed. this last week actually. this last week my girlfriend went to a youth conference and they went to all of the malls in the Atlanta area and she law people's legs grow back. their arms grow and and their hands. many of you may not believe it without proof but she isn't one to make this stuff up.
goalmaster14 1 year ago
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goalmaster14 1 year ago
Well that was weak. God doesn't heal amputees because no amputee in history has had sufficient faith to activate the placebo effect.
Here's an alternative explanation and my ATHEISTIC PROPHECY, And so it is written!
Prayer and faith don't heal amputations because Science hasn't managed to figure out how to do it. But in a few years when that's accomplished by Scientific/medical research then God will be miraculously be getting credit for regrowing limbs up the ying-yang.
dimbulb23 1 year ago
God DOES heal amputees. Look up the ministry of T L Osborne. Osborn was the Billy Graham of Africa. Many of the healings in his crusades were captured on camera. One guy had been crawling on the ground for over 20 years! His legs didn't work for some reason. But God healed him.
Basically if a person wants healing he needs to go to a ministry who BELIEVES that God can heal them. I have seen too many healings to say its not true. But some people don't get healing right away.
jchunt125 1 year ago
@jchunt125 If his legs didn't work but they were still atached to him then he was handicapped, not an amputee. Epic fail.
gabo694 1 year ago
@jchunt125 spam
WorldMilitia 5 months ago
First of all God DOES heal amputees!!!! However like most of God's healings today there are so few people who actually pray that God will heal them and then we in Charismatic circles have learned that some miracles seem to be fairly easy and others take a lot of power.
For those who would like further proof of what I said look up the ministry of TL Osborne or Kenneth Hagin. Osborne was kind of the Billy Graham of Africa. He preached to crouds of thousands and God healed many amputees.
jchunt125 1 year ago
@jchunt125
I agree!! Yay! :) He does do miracles, huge miracles. You speak well, jchunt.
Jenloveswhoseline 1 year ago
So you actually claim that your god likes that some people suffer or that itself is the cause of the suffering. I my opinion this makes it a sadist, not a god.
AzraelI666 1 year ago
u are running from the question, u are talking about sickness not amputees, there is a difference.
TheKillajosh 1 year ago
Your definition of placebo is a bit off. In an experiment to see if tylenol works one group is given tylenol, while the other group is given a pill that only contains inert ingredients, also called a placebo. Sometimes placebos have an effect and sometimes they don't. Some conditions, no matter what the people believe, have no reaction to placebos.
slphillips05 1 year ago
@slphillips05 - The definition is in the description.
JoelTheCalvinist 1 year ago
I've heard the nonsense about prayer.....that God answers all prayers, but sometimes the answer is yes or no or not now. Well guess what? Those are EXACTLY the same options you have when you DON'T pray. For anything you desire or need....the outcome will ALWAYS be either YES or NO or YOU'LL HAVE TO WAIT. So....what's the use in praying? Sounds like God was quite the scam artist to me. Anyone buying into the prayer scam is pretty gullible.
000SMITH000 1 year ago
There is nothing funnier than watching a Christian squirm and slide around a direct question. You can practically see his brain twisting to come up with excuses for his non - performing god. Hey buddy...let me help you. God doesn't heal amputees because there is no such thing as god. There.....that wasn't so hard now, was it?
000SMITH000 1 year ago
If there is no God, why should we care if people have lost limbs? in a world void of God, lost limbs would be indifferent that is not good or bad; they would simply be, a fact of life no different from a tree shedding leaves. Attacking theism on a moral basis undermines the argument.
ss1utube 1 year ago
Nick Vujicic (In Christ Alone)
bfinkish 1 year ago
Okay. I am a double amputee since birth (6 months old). As a child, I had that blind faith of a child...you know, the kind of faith the bible says we need to have. And i prayed for real legs, my OWN legs. And the bible said that if I believed (had faith) then I would receive. 26 years later I am still am amputee. So uhm I guess I didn't believe hard enough? B/c the bible NEVER said I had to have a certain amount of faith. WAIT it did!! The size of a mustard seed. And I'm still amputated.
TLS83 1 year ago
@TLS83 - Faith the size of a mustard seed is impossible to obtain, it seems. Since no mountains have been removed.
JoelTheCalvinist 1 year ago
@JoelTheCalvinist Impossible yet the bible says that's all we need. It means the tiniest bit of faith. The point is you are saying amputees don't have the faith and CANNOT have faith. Yet, the bible says if you believe you shall receive (Mat 22:21). The bible says all I have to do is believe. It also said anything I ask in the name of jesus is mine...once again still an amputee. I'm not naive like I was at 8yrs old on this.
TLS83 1 year ago
@TLS83 - There is more to it than believing and asking...
"And this is the confidence that we have toward him, that if we ask anything according to his will he hears us. And if we know that he hears us in whatever we ask, we know that we have the requests that we have asked of him."
JoelTheCalvinist 1 year ago
@JoelTheCalvinist Where did the quote come from? B/c I've never read "according to his will" an ANY translation I've owned of the bible. And if it is in one, it was added as a way to get around why prayers aren't answered. Ask and if it's his will? definitely not what Matthew 22:21 said. Definitely not what we were told when we said faith the size of a mustard seed. Def not what we were told when it said ask in jesus name and it shall be yours.
TLS83 1 year ago
@TLS83 - 1 John 5 -- Also try James 1
Jesus wasn't an idiot, and neither were his followers. They knew obviously that they couldn't just ask for anything. Jesus often speak enigmatically. Leaving full truth to be revealed in holistic revelation. What you're looking for is a reason not to believe.
JoelTheCalvinist 1 year ago
@JoelTheCalvinist FYI, I'm not an athiest if that is what you are getting at. I am not looking for a reason not to believe. I think it's faulty reasoning to say he didn't mean it that way so we should not have taken it that way. god must have known that the book he inspired would be taken at face value.
TLS83 1 year ago
@JoelTheCalvinist PS - thanks for the references. Once again, however, it went from "believe, ask, receive" to "believe, ask, if it's his will, receive". Not a good look at all.
It sounds like what I used to tell people: You can ask for it. God will give you three answers yes/no/not now. But how do we know if something is no or not now? We don't! Can you really think it's his will for someone to be disabled for life? Jesus healed the lame men. That's all I'm saying.
TLS83 1 year ago
@TLS83 - I believe it is God's will for some people to be crippled their whole life.
1 Peter 2 details how when people suffer unjustly, they are fitting into the form of Christ (who also suffered unjustly). It's just one more way to glorify God in our weakness, because God's strength is made perfect in our weakness (2 Cor 12).
JoelTheCalvinist 1 year ago
@JoelTheCalvinist
Then how come virtually every one Jesus healed was healed completely? Why didn't Jesus say "no, its God's will that you suffer by having this disease?" Yes Christians suffer but look it up - it was due to preaching the word or because satan was trying to take them out.
jchunt125 1 year ago
@jchunt125 Be careful here, your answer as to why Jesus doesn't heal everyone now is looking to be pretty terrible. Remember, Paul, Timothy, and millions of other Christians have had afflictions throughout their lives -- and most not being because of preaching. Look at Timothy. How are stomach problems related to his preaching? Is it because Jesus doesn't want to heal them? Can't heal them? Or has a different reason?
JoelTheCalvinist 1 year ago
@JoelTheCalvinist pt 2. But I do like that last part. "if we know that he hears us..." But we can't really know, right? It's not like we can say "hey did you hear me?" and he'll say yes/no. But go back to even me being a child where believing in the unimaginable is easy! I prayed then. I believed then. I asked then. And still am amputated. You can't tell me that children are not full of faith and confidence and belief. It's how we all were at some point.
TLS83 1 year ago
@JoelTheCalvinist pt2 - your attempt at an answer to this question fell flat. You did not rebut anything the original video said. What you did was blame the victim. All you had to do is admit that it is physically impossible for most mammals (us included). God will not heal amputees b/c he can't. It has nothing to do with not revealing himself since miracles seemed to be a part of everyday life in those days.
TLS83 1 year ago
@JoelTheCalvinist pt3 But to say it's due to a lack of faith? Apparently you do not personally know an amputated person. We probably prayed many times to be "normal" and stopped having faith when nothing happened or when we woke up to the world of science.
TLS83 1 year ago
@JoelTheCalvinist
Yes, but how many people do you know that are trying to remove mountains by faith? No one I know. In my opinion the 'mustand seed of faith' is the pure rhema word that comes directly from God. THAT faith will remove mountains. If you look up faith in the bible it talks of great faith, little faith and everything in between. The 'mustard seed' is the divine faith that drops into a persons spirit by God.
jchunt125 1 year ago
@jchunt125 - That's a pretty strange interpretation... See ya later!
JoelTheCalvinist 1 year ago
I like how the scriptures cover up your face.
tastybrain 1 year ago
Placebo effect, interesting.
I am an atheist and i actually agree, but now the question is what is the point of praying FOR somebody ..
If a friend or a family member is sick, following your logic it's totally nonsense to pray for him, you can't have placebo effect on somebody else, right?
SO, yeah, to pray is useless, i agree ... sure you are a christian 'cause the bible says otherwise ;)
ChristianIce 2 years ago
Hey, I like your response. You used good reasoning... One thing though is that I know a couple creditable cases of arms and fingers growing back. The one with the finger grew back in two weeks time, with nail. The arm was actually instant.
You make a good point as to the amount of faith for a person to believe in such a miracle. The incredible miracles usually happen in third world countries where logic and reasoning is not dominate. The people just have a stronger faith to believe
MissedTheMark 2 years ago
My Brother,
He has and he does and there are many documented accounts of limbs growing back that were lost. As an example William Seymour (at the Azusa Street Revival of 100 years ago which birthed the Pentecostal Movement and has lead to over 100,000,000 conversions since then). He specifically laid hands on two amputees one missing a leg and one missing an arm (the entire arm there was no bone even in the shoulder socket) and they both completely grew back in front of everyone present.
warriorofthecross1 2 years ago
Maybe the physical world is meant to be a place where people have the freedom to believe or not, so that events like healing someone who has lost a limb or other such events that would prove the supernatural would not happen, because they would deprive us of choice. I've done psychic work before, and I know that it's real and possible, but if I describe my experiences to people who don't believe, they accuse me of lying. So, maybe faith is personal in that we have to come to it freely.
goodtwitch 2 years ago
Swing and a miss...
jefmaze 2 years ago
@jefmaze yup.
TLS83 1 year ago
BECAUSE if you are a Christian you know God is in control and he will help you in whatever you need help in.
if this is the case why pray for anything EVER. And if God is in control next time somebody shoots you or you get a serious injury go to the church and not the hospital?? Not to mention if he is in control why ever protest abortion clinics, or gays?? Why make videos if you have faith god will deliver us the message in his own way..you christians have a lot to learn about faith
RandomNonsence 2 years ago
I don't thiunk u have a clear understanding of how someone gets "healed".Simply put> With or without any god thing involved, a person's great attitude can have an equal effect. If Believing in god does the trick, then will attribute and account it to "that". The truth is> Having a positive attitude, no matter what the circumstances is what " does it ".
Always. However- no limbs can grow, no matter how much we pray or how positive we become...
gblueslover2 2 years ago
Sooo,...God won't heal amputees because He really isn't the one doing the healing anyway? And no one has enough faith to MAKE it happen anyway?? Wow. That's a whole different take. I disagree. Firstly, I have NO doubt that there is no shortage of believers with sufficient faith. That's a bit of a slap in the face to those Christians who have prayed and believed earnestly for their limb to be restored. My angle is quite simple; The 'age of miracles' ceased with the death of the last Apostle.
Pacisdiligo 2 years ago
Your explanation of the placebo effect is very wrong. The placebo effect is purely psychological and only applies to subjective things such as how bad something hurts. It does not and can not "heal" anything.
KaaSerpent 2 years ago
what was the point of this video?
Lambinio 2 years ago
God does not heal amputees because he is either spiteful or he does not exist. Faith does not heal because you don't have any evidence to support your claims.
bnbalenda 2 years ago 3
Why is it that every atheist is "angry"? Some are, sure, but christians claim that all atheists are angry. This simply is not true. I guess it's not the only thing that christians claim, that is totally incorrect.
SkullVodka 2 years ago 10
We can have enough faith to heal things like Cancer, one of the most dreadfull of things any human can be told they have, but not enough to regrow even the tip of a pinky finger? Youre a GOD damn idiot.
kelrathi 2 years ago 2
God has healed many people with amputees
coolvideo28 2 years ago
Yes! Christianity is a placebo! You nailed it!
joestub 2 years ago
Your arm won't grow back because it's impossible.
haymaker710 2 years ago 2
Ok to answer this question. If the person had a limb cut off and was the BIGGEST Christian you know he probably wouldn't pray for it to come back BECAUSE if you are a Christian you know God is in control and he will help you in whatever you need help in.
Athiest don't understand this.
BASSCHAMP101 2 years ago
Good word.
JoelTheCalvinist 2 years ago
Do you really think so?
BASSCHAMP101 2 years ago
Definitely.
JoelTheCalvinist 2 years ago
Doesn't that mean there's no reason to pray?
nekirhs 2 years ago
Wow this guy just said that amputees don't have faith that their injury can be healed/restored by god. I wonder how all the christian soldiers who have lost limbs in Iraq feel about that. It's a pretty terrible thing to say. If god can create the earth he can definetely restore someones arm or leg. Saying otherwise is a contradiction to your faith. I on the other hand don't believe in any form of god, so the answer is easy. God does not restore anyones limbs because there is not god.
dreskie77 2 years ago 9
Matthew 18:1-9
God cares more about who you are, than what you have done. God cares more about your eternal soul, than for your temporary body. God cares more about you, than He cares about the price He (not you) had to pay.
Snowmon89 2 years ago 2
So why does he heal people that are sick at all?
nekirhs 2 years ago
They might not BELIEVE that God will 'grow their nub' back, however they may blindly HOPE, and in fact blindly PRAY that he will. There's a difference between belief and blind hope, I know if I was religious, and I believed in miricles through God etc, then I would hope, and I would pray that God would heal me. If people have enough faith to devote their entire lives to a God, surely they have enough faith to pray and hope for a normal life again...Think about it...
LightWings95123 2 years ago
Wow, there have been hundreds, thousands of people who have grown back limbs! the crazy thing is the world is blind to what Jesus is doing on the earth right now. Amazing miracles have happened even in the last 10 years and people think they are fake or just havnt heard of them. God will not bother for people who think his miracles are fake, or for people who ask questions like "Why doesnt God heal amputees?" so they can test His power. He doesnt need to prove anything to those people.
jostta 2 years ago
AMEN!
BASSCHAMP101 2 years ago
were not testing shit. the face remains, there is no proof of godzzz, your god or any other. id like to think im living in the 21st century not the 1st century
wanafly12 2 years ago
Well then name 5 people that have supposably grown back limbs........exactly
XxFaViAnXx9 2 years ago
If you have faith to move mountains, it shall be done for you. Its not a matter of a question that God won't heal amputees, its a matter of time. We all think God has to do this now on our time table, why isnt he doing it now, while he is on a whole different time table than us. God doesn't heal people unless we are the hands that bring healing to people, and if his people doesn't have the faith to move mountains, then its not going to happen. Its a matter of time, not the question of why cant.
tsidkenu223 2 years ago
can someone really be that stupid?
there haven't been any restored limb EVER!!!
so are you saying that there is no Christian who has faith?
adirm18 2 years ago
TRUTH!
BASSCHAMP101 2 years ago
Did you just basically admit to God not helping in anyway.
"Faith" being a placebo for the body to physically cure it's self.
Asking God alone, without "Faith" yields no results.
So you could just believe that you will be cured, and not have to believe in God, cause apparently, praying to him won't do anything unless your body is tricked by your mind into believing something will happen.
xGoosetavOx 2 years ago
look at smith wigglesworth's ministry, God grew back limbs in his ministry
MrDqts777 2 years ago
Fake. There aint no damn limbs growing back by some god character. Good grief!! Do you know how delusional you sound when you say that type of thing?
exacerbatedtaboo 2 years ago
bro, smith wifflesworth's had a healing ministry. There were plenty of witnesses to prove that.
jostta 2 years ago
i got a "healing ministry" too
its called a hospital
adirm18 2 years ago
o yea just wanted to add, add one point he did restore Judas ear that was chopped off....so yea...a lot to think on
1SavageDragon1 2 years ago
"Why won't God HEAL amputee's?"
This is a trick question...you can't actually "heal" lost limbs, you can only heal things such as wounds for e.g. The more intelligent question to ask would be.
Why won't God restore lost limbs?
Now you can expound on this.
I would say that for God to restore lost limbs he would have had to revert back to fully God to recreate the lost limbs just as he made adam and eve. Something which would not have made him serve his purpose as a human on earth.
1SavageDragon1 2 years ago
Well if God is supposedly the most powerful being in the whole universe, and he can't so much as restore a lost limb on a human, he's not very powerful is he?
LightWings95123 2 years ago
More wisdom from baptist country. Brilliant!
odinata 2 years ago
This isn't Baptist theology, it's closer to cessationalism which is typically characteristic of Presbyterianism. Is this atheist wisdom?
JoelTheCalvinist 2 years ago
On that day you will not question me about anything. Amen, amen, I say to you, whatever you ask the Father in my name he will give you. Until now you have not asked anything in my name; ask and you will receive, so that your joy may be complete. (John 16:23-24 NAB)
InfidelisMax 2 years ago
It was not you who chose me, but I who chose you and appointed you to go and bear fruit that will remain, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name he may give you. (John 15:16 NAB)
InfidelisMax 2 years ago
If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask for whatever you want and it will be done for you. (John 15:7 NAB)
InfidelisMax 2 years ago
quote quote quote thats all you know. go grow a brain
wanafly12 2 years ago
And whatever you ask in my name, I will do, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask anything of me in my name, I will do it. (John 14:13-14 NAB)
InfidelisMax 2 years ago
Amen, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, 'Be lifted up and thrown into the sea,' and does not doubt in his heart but believes that what he says will happen, it shall be done for him. Therefore I tell you, all that you ask for in prayer, believe that you will receive it and it shall be yours. (Mark 11:24-25 NAB)
InfidelisMax 2 years ago
Again I say to you, that if two of you agree on earth about anything that they may ask, it shall be done for them by My Father who is in heaven. For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst. (Matthew 18:19-20 NAS)
InfidelisMax 2 years ago
And Jesus answered and said to them, "Truly I say to you, if you have faith and do not doubt, you will not only do what was done to the fig tree, but even if you say to this mountain, `Be taken up and cast into the sea,' it will happen. "And all things you ask in prayer, believing, you will receive." (Matthew 21:21-22 NAS)
InfidelisMax 2 years ago
Let me explain why God wont heal amputees. Here is how God answers prayer: Yes, No and Wait. As you can see this is no answer at all, it is the exact way a lucky 4 leaf clover works or anything that is imaginary or completely made up. Im a god also, and I answer prayers with Yes, No and Wait! If you use even the smallest part of your brain stem to think you can see what is happening here.
InfidelisMax 2 years ago
LOL I see you watched the other videos he made. That is not how God answers prayers. That is not how it is presented in Scripture either. This is how a selfish people look at prayer.
"Delight yourself in the Lord, and he will give you the desires of your heart."
If I'm happy in God, he will give me what makes me happy (God).
JoelTheCalvinist 2 years ago
Of course, just calling those people that question your god and his assertions and statements as selfish is a copout. Ive never asked anything in prayer in my life, Ive always been an atheist, the evidence is just so overwhelming that all gods are complete fiction. Ill post some scripture and Id like your comments so I can see you dance around the issue some more.
InfidelisMax 2 years ago
I was referring to some Christians when I was talking about being selfish.
I won't have to dance around all of these scriptures, they are true. But obviously there is other elements involved since Jesus himself prayed for something and didn't receive it (Mat 26:39) as did Paul (2 Cor 12:8-9).
What I'm saying is that there is a misconception on the purpose of prayer. A selfish man says its a genie lamp, a humble man says he needs nothing but Grace of God. And to those, God gives everything.
JoelTheCalvinist 2 years ago
You have a very clever response for most everything, and none of it needs a shred of evidence, very interesting slick talk. Millions of children are starving every day, half the worlds population died during the plague. 500 million died of smallpox in the last several centuries. Everything happens in the world because of how nature works, its called reality and then you have the theist explanation that clumsily fits over reality as a cheap façade.
InfidelisMax 2 years ago
Im not trying to be slick, I'm trying to be Biblical.
You left out the Inquisition when people were sawed in half until they confessed Jesus was Lord. I don't turn a blind eye to all of the terrible things in the world, I turn a new eye to them and see them for their overall purpose.
I live in a world of hope, your world seems full of despair since I can only hope to not die of a disease. You don't have to be a Christian, but I want you to be. Its pretty nice over here.
Peace, brother.
JoelTheCalvinist 2 years ago
God does take care of an amputee in Heaven where God promises a new glorified body. Why do you think you can demand upon God like a little kid in a candy store crying for candy but mom says no. You see, you are thinking that life is over in about 100 years on earth. But for the Christian our life is not here, it starts in Heaven where eternity begins. Simple really. Just stop begging for candy. You will get it later kid. God says our reward is in Heaven!
2xtream 2 years ago
Ill tell you why God wont heal amputees, because there is no god, that is the most logical answer.
InfidelisMax 2 years ago
Are the streets dry because rain doesn't exist?
Your conclusion seems pretty illogical, actually.
JoelTheCalvinist 2 years ago
Very ignorant response man, come on, I know you have no way to defend a god that does not exist but you can do better than that! The street is dry because it is not raining, but it will be wet when it does. The amputee will NEVER have another limb no matter how strong the faith or the prayer. So my conclusion that there is no god is completely valid.
InfidelisMax 2 years ago
"...but it will be wet when it does."
This is the exact response I was looking for. Cessationalism would be a better answer. All I was saying was that you're looking at the conclusion then drawing the hypothesis.
Amputees not healed != God doesn't exist. Simply because there are many other (Biblical) factors. God is not obligated to heal anyone. It kind of turns into a universal negative and a moot point. You can't prove the absence of something by absence of desired effect.
JoelTheCalvinist 2 years ago
Making excuses for your god? How do you know what god is obligated to do and what he is not? Its a fact that it rains, and when it does it gets wet, its testable. Comparing an invisible man to that is ridiculous. There are MANY other facts that prove the Christian god is completely imaginary, Im not interested in those, I just want a straight answer and not excuses for this one point. There is no reasonable answer, and that is why you dodge the question.
InfidelisMax 2 years ago
Prayer does not make a difference in healing the sick, curing disease, helping one survive cancer, or recover from surgery.
They've done dozens of studies, there has never been a correlation.
So either we can conclude that prayer doesn't work, or we can say that God turns his back on dying people who elect to participate in clinical studies.
RexFordVII 3 years ago
"What amputee would believe that their arm would grow back if they prayed?" Any amputee who had read the Bible and actually believed it, that's who. God said "..if you ask ANYTHING in my name..". No "amputee" fine print. You mean the all powerful creator of the universe can't replace a lost limb? In Luke 22;50 - 22:51, God gave a guy a new ear. Hell, in Luke 7;11 - 7:15, he brought a dead guy back to life! LOL. I guess the dead guy had more faith then any of those thousands of amputees, huh?
000SMITH000 3 years ago
Thousands of amputees throughout history and not one with enough faith to heal? LOL...yeah, right. Besides, the Bible clearly says "if you ask ANYTHING in my name", you shall have it. No fine print..either it's true or it's not. In Luke 22:50 - 22:51, God made a guy's ear grow back. Haven't seen anything like that lately. But that's nothing...in Luke 7:11 - 7:15, God brought a dead guy back to life. Now THAT'S faith. LOL! Haven't seen ol' God raising the dead lately, though. Have you?
000SMITH000 3 years ago
So let me get this...out of all of the amputees throughout history, not one of them ever had enough faith to heal? LOL..ridiculous. Besides, the Bible clearly says "ask anything in my name" and you shall have it" There is no fine print there. Either it's true or it isn't. In Luke 22:50-22:51, God made a guy's ear grow back. But that's nothing...in Luke 7:11-7:15, God brought a dead guy back to life. Amazing faith for a dead guy. LOL! Haven't seen God raising the dead much lately. Have you?
000SMITH000 3 years ago
I heard one fellow explain that amputation was not a disease but a way of healing something that might have caused death. Like we remove a gangrenous finger before it spreads to the arm so the amputation is actually God's way of healing. That seems reasonable but what about children who lose limbs in accidents caused by adults?
BillyVeePersonal 3 years ago
So people with breast cancer never felt the lumps in their breasts?
nicksartino 3 years ago
your video response was a joke. Okay so you don't know of 1 amputee ever being healed as you stated below so as the video your referring to says "Why wont God heal amputees"? There is no answer you can give as the video said. Secondly, if you know of 5 or 6 people that were completely healed of cancer then what about the multi of thousands that die from it everyday that are in fact "Christian"???? Seems your God is very picky but he is an all loving one....NOT.
SlayerRules66 3 years ago
So, people have enough faith to be healed of every other sort of disease (including cancer), but not if they are amputees? If they are amputees, they just can't muster enough faith, not one of them... ever. Not so much as a mustard seed's worth!
Strange.
Your answer is a cop-out, and you know it!
And what about that scripture which says 'if you ask anything in my name, it will be granted'?
So explain why only amputees lack enough faith to be healed?
ThePhalcon 3 years ago
I concur. "If you ask anything in my name, it will be granted"? why don't they just ask for enough faith and then use that magical faith to ask for a new limb?
nicksartino 3 years ago
"if you ask anything in my name" obviously refers to a certain person or people cuz i've asked for stuff and havent recieved it. a large amount of the Bible is historical, written so we in modern times would hear history in a Christian pov. not everything Jesus or God says is meant for you or me. obviously. as far as amputees, the earth is cursed. disaster injurs people. men are evil and they dismember people. all in the Bible even, and it doesn't say that God will always right every "wrong"
deathcoremaggot 3 years ago
this guy has NO answers...dang why cant i grow FEET!!!
threestripesexplorer 3 years ago
So if anyone doesn't have enough faith for their arm 2 grow back...how can anyone have that much faith that there is a supernatural being watching them 24/7 all of us simultaneously that we can't see or hear...out of all the people throughout history who have lost limbs you are telling me not one ever had that much faith...so god can't do anything then...my faith can cure cancer but can't grom my leg back?please!its funny faith only counts when it involves things we can't even prove.
Kabosen23 3 years ago
God only helps the succesfull..
dirkschuitsma 3 years ago
The greatest secret of living is being ready to die.
bob1qaz 3 years ago
I don't have the details Joel. But I have heard stories of miraculous regrowth. Is that really less likely then curing terminal illnesses like Cancer or AIDS?
sprtslvr1973 3 years ago
I know of 5 or 6 people off the top of my head who were miraculously cured of cancer.
I know of not a single amputee that has ever, ever been healed.
JoelTheCalvinist 3 years ago
This is fantastic!
Well done! A Christian who has figured it out! God won't heal amputees because they don't have enough faith - no one on Earth has that much faith.
The Placebo effect is what heals believers when they pray. It is also what heals Islamics when they pray. Even non-christ trained witch doctors. Its all just Placebo.
Best Christian vid ever!
simonrorke 3 years ago
Sarcastic?
JoelTheCalvinist 3 years ago
Well, the Placebo effect is something I DO believe in. If it happens to be what you call the power of prayer, I think that's fine. But remember, it even works for non-believers, and even voodoo witch doctors who try to use it for evil.
Even early English Kings have noticed its effect. There is historical record of 1000s healings from early kings, just by touching his clothing.
These effects do not require faith in God, but they do require faith in the healing (or harming - voodoo)
simonrorke 3 years ago
Perhaps that power is a very strong gift of God...
JoelTheCalvinist 3 years ago
@simonrorke you've gotta be kidding! the bible (the christian rule book) never said how much faith was needed for a certain miracle. all it says is that you have to believe it will happen and it will. it says ask in jesus' name and it will. it says have faith the size of a mustard seed (that means a drop of faith) and it will happen. that was the only cndition to the miracles. IF you believe (we do) then you shall receive (I didn't). Placebo...okay. like the video said: making excuses.
TLS83 1 year ago
What a cop-out!
Arondeus 3 years ago
Joel. I don't want to change the way of how you want to bring the message, but you need more of that. We need to preach the gospel more than anything. With all the respect I've never seen any Bible verses or anything about the gospel. People need to be saved. "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." - Romans 10:17. If they don't hear it they won't understand it. By going in circles they will perish and we as Christians will give accout to Him. God Bless brother.
chafish 3 years ago
I'm trying to understand what you are saying. If you are saying that this video steps around useless points and I just need to preach the Gospel, I would say that I just wanted to answer a question. Relevance, research, learning, and questioning are parts of strong faith.
What about the book of Esther? God isn't mentioned once. It is a book of historical relevance. Learning.
I know what you are saying, but I would bring up Hosea 4:6, "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge..."
JoelTheCalvinist 3 years ago
God have a purpose for all. He have trials and different ways to manifest. And we as Chrsitians need to focus in the gospel more than anything, because miracles, speaking in tongues, baptism, or anything extra tha God gives us won't save us. If He wnats to heal He will do it because He do it for a purpose. We all have a decease which is sin. Now God can heal your sin with repentance and faith. You can be filled up with food in your stomach, but are you filled up with Him?
chafish 3 years ago
Great video, Joel!
For factual, scientific answers to any and all questions about God, please visit my channel, "Purushadasa."
All answers given there are guaranteed to be 100% scientific fact, based on observational data, a guarantee that the atheist cannot provide.
God bless you!
Purushadasa 3 years ago
Some bold statements you have made!
JoelTheCalvinist 3 years ago
Theists must be bold in today's unfortunate atheistic atmosphere of counterfeit science.
Keep up the good work, Joel!
Purushadasa 3 years ago
The only good thing about this video is the kit-cat clock.
crumbinator 3 years ago
So your answer to this question is that god doesn't heal anything? We do? Hmmm...The question then becomes why won't god heal ANYBODY? If god is omnipotent, as many people of faith claim, then god must CHOOSE not to heal. Nice. Either that, or god can't heal. Either way, god sounds like a "real winner".
mojo784 3 years ago
No not that God doesn't heal them--- He does --- but that possibly a person's faith is the determining factor. It just seems to be some sort of common grace given to everyone... like childbirth, emotions, sex, etc.
I mean, your parents chose to not give you chocolate cake to eat in bed when you were 2, does that mean they don't love you? We can't say that just because God doesn't give us whatever we want when we want that He's not a winner. It is very possibly that He has better things in mind.
JoelTheCalvinist 3 years ago
Definitely children do have that kind of faith... And they're not healed... They have a pure heart and will pray with conviction...
If faith is the deciding factor, then it's the well-known placebo effect, which has nothing to do with a god entity...
Atheistblindchick 3 years ago 3
So, your opinion is that amputees are not healed because their faith is lacking, less than the size of a mustard seed apparently.
It's always better to blame the victim I suppose. :/
I don't think you understand the placebo effect. A sugar pill you think is a cure for HIV will not give you the ability to 'faith' yourself into curing the disease.
RenovatedJon 3 years ago
I'm sure as the intelligent man that you appear to be you'd understand that you can interchange "amputees" with "sick", "ill", etc. Do they hope/pray that a god will relief them from their discomfort? Certainly so. Your (christian) god was able to change water to wine, walk on water, etc., why not grow back limbs? Miracles are miracles....
After your answer to question no.1, I don't think I'll be watching the ones to follow. Take care...
~Angel XIII~
anangel13 3 years ago
First of all: The questions aren't "flawed". The terms "good" and "bad" and "innocent" are based upon human common sense. Let's hope that you don't need a external moral law to internally identify whats good, bad and/or innocent.
Your answer to question #1 must only "catch christian off guard", it certainly doesn't do anything like that to an atheist. To be quite honest, your answer doesn't answer anything. Why does god no heal amputees? [2]
anangel13 3 years ago 2
"The terms "good" and "bad" and "innocent" are based upon human common sense. "
Hmmm... even common sense is learned. Like it is common sense that a hot stove will burn you. You still had to learn it.
Who taught it to you? Yourself or an outside source?
JoelTheCalvinist 3 years ago
Either. If nobody tells me about the outcome of touching a hot stove, I will learn by experience. If my parents tell me to watch out I may listen to them (unless I'm stubborn and like to learn by trying). Just like I only learn about any *god* by my parents.. unless I like to learn on my own ....
~Angel XIII~
anangel13 3 years ago
That is what I was saying, if you learned it by yourself (observation maybe?) or an unsettling feeling about these people left you uneasy? Or someone explained what innocence was and you believed them?
What I'm getting at is that I could say these people are NOT innocent and you could say they ARE and our words would hold the same value. Or would you rely on majority? Well the majority isn't always right... take a look at the White House..
JoelTheCalvinist 3 years ago