you cant hate something you dont belief exists. if you dont believe something exists it means you have no belief in it. in this case your god. you talk about the bible but where is your evidence for god lol. the bible does'nt cut it. pls. tell me what evidence supports your belief in god.you believe, if it is just faith than your belief is a false belief because faith is not evidence and any belief unsupported by evidence is a false belief, so what is the evidence that supports your belief? lol
Creation itself is evidence for the invisible hand of God. Complexity of a single cell is evidence for God. The knowledge of right and wrong in our hearts is evidence for God. I beleive in God through Faith, logic, and common sense.
@Dmann4Christ lol that does not make sense whatsoever. where is the evidence that the universe had a designer? and for the complexity of a cell once again this does not suggest a designer at all, you a designer. its simplky wishful thinking, truth is your understanding is flawed due to the biased assumptions your make without evidence to support it. as for the understanding of right and wrong how does that support a creator, its laughable, in the words of john mcenroe, you cannot be serious
""Atheists don't believe in God, even though they know he exists in their heart, because they have a hatred for God"... I am an atheist....I can assure you I do not "hate" your God, anymore than I hate unicorns. Contrary to what you say, and absolutely true with most atheists, we DO NOT believe that your God exists in our hearts.
Do you hate Apollo? I'm guessing not, in fact I'm guessing you're indifferent. That's what I feel in my heart for your God. Sorry if you don't believe that.
Well people are entitled to their opinions man. Maybe they just disagree with the evidence provided? I haven't seen the videos yet so I can't really judge for myself.
@somerandompagan I agree. The evidence is so thin...I mean - Jesus wonders why no one asks him a question that someone asked him. The "debunking"? Jesus asked that question a few hours later. I say, what difference does it make if a few hours passed. He's Jesus, right? Shouldn't he remember a question from a few hours ago?
I agree there should be no earplugging on either side... since i didn't watch the videos mentioned i won't say no more, i just hope both sides stay in the conversation.
Have you considered the reason the video isn't popular or well liked is that it simply wasn't as good as advertised? Not everything is a conspiracy, sometimes the response video fails in its goal in part or in whole.
@Kwinnky: Actually, the statement itself looks very accusatory towards christians in general when glancing over it.
"You may mean it as "god bless," but there are Christians going around using it as a condescending jab. That, and "I'll pray for you.""
But a somewhat deeper look shows it as a misunderstanding by a subgroup of atheists/anti-theists that a subgroup of christians stand for all christians.
@Kwinnky: Tell me then how you'd react if you'd see most ardent christians trolling on atheist vids and channels, who then react shocked when being confronted with their own behaviour and biting back, then look as if they're going to reason with you in rationality and then go full-blown troll on you when you are in the process of reasoning with them; and then you come across a comment of a seemingly ardent christian that looks trolling?
Wouldn't you question that christian's motives as well?
@Kwinnky: The first comment you posted to gundamfreak4 looks as if you're trolling, but looking back, i do see the other perspective you're trying to give.
But still i'm interested to as where you stand.
I wouldn't take you seriously if i didn't keep pressing that point.
it is just astounding that all these people are on a continuing "battle" to convince everyone that God is fake, it brings one thing to mind, when people are going thru this much trouble to disprove God, it just means hes there to have to disprove, because if God was indeed fake (hes not thou) then there would be no controversy on God. God Rulz!
Watching Maher call Jesus a copy of older religions shows how little he knows. What did Paul know about you? He knew what the Godless represent, and how morally corrupt men were without God.
Of course it could also be about the number of subscribers. Many of us do not get the number of subs that can be seen on some of these atheist channels. But hey....
This just goes to show the hypocrisy. I saw the video series CreationistWON put up. I have known about it for a LONG time. They complain that we bury our heads in the sand, and we refuse to listen to their evidence discrediting us, but when they see a Christian discrediting them, they thumb it down, and go about their business. Most of them would like to have their itching ears tickled, which is why a video series refuting them does not get as many views as it should.
Nope, I don't hate God. There isn't any evidence for his existence, that is why I'm an atheist. Thanks for the psycho-analysis though. Even if I did hate God, it would only be the IDEA of God.
So because you reject Zeus' existence, you hate him too? I'm failing to see the connection here. I doubt you hate Zeus; you probably could care less about him. Just as I don't care about Yahweh, until his existence can be proven to me. Until then, I can hardly express any emotions about Yahweh other than indifference.
Zeus didn't allow me to have forgiveness. Only the blood of Jesus Christ can do it for there is no other name given under heaven in which we can be saved.
Well, in order for that to be true Jesus (as a God figure) must exist first. This has nothing to do with the attributes of the God/gods in question i.e. forgiveness of sins. In order for those things to be true, it must exist first. It's silly to say that you hate something that doesn't exist. You would have no reason. No existence = no attributes = no reason for hate.
This country was founded on Christian principles, as the Bible was put in schools by Thomas Jefferson. Yes a Christian should base his policies on Christian Priciples, rather than allowing things like murdering unborn chilren to continue.
Atheists need to either 1 discuss the topic, or 2 mock the subject. Not realizing the whole time God's knowledge has always been with us as he manifested it with us. The heart and mind operate opposite so yes you know in your heart he exists while your mind says he most likely does not exist.
Christians have been arrested for street preaching. If a politician is Christian then their faith should play a role in thier decision making, but now no ten commandments in a court room, no school prayer, no team prayer, but all along pushing things which are theory presenting them as fact, and teaching our youth that sin is okay. Turn on the television how does mainstream present Christians?
@Kwinnky That's even before we bring up that religion makes itself part of the lives of those who don't adhere to it.
Everyones perspective usually gets pushes into public in one form or another. We are told just deal with it and leave our religion at home or church when we have others opinions and views shoved down our throats also. I also don't wonder why atheists are responding. A deliberate rejection of God while is from putting sin before God which equals hatred for God.
Your final statement at 3:12 is a lie, of course, and you're aware that it's a lie. It's a silly lie: "I don't believe in Merlin the Magician, because I HATE Merlin the Magician!" If you're going to lie, try not to be silly about it.
My question to you is: how does lying help your cause? Are you going to persuade me, an atheist, with lies? Of course not. Are you preaching to the choir? How does that help? What do you think lies accomplish? Just curious.
@UncleWaddyHead: Maybe Dmann4Christ is just assuming that most atheists don't believe in God because they hate Him and is not necessarily lying.
I, as a former atheist myself, am of the opinion that it isn't atheists who hate God, but a sub-group of anti-christian anti-theist extremist trolls that might be hating God and expressing their anger towards Jesus Christ, the bible and christians.
Anyway, i've found that in any ideological there are reasonable people and dogmatic extremists.
@Barachem He does say in his statement that I, as an atheist, KNOW in my blood-pumping organ that God exists. That is an out-and-out lie. How do I know that it's a lie? I am an atheist, and I know he's making shit up.
Not a lie at all. People reject God because their deeds are evil. Now you can claim its a lie all you want, but even as scripture says that the knowledge of God is manifested in you, and that his invisible hand is clearly seen through creation so everyone is without excuse.
@Dmann4Christ You've just lied again. "People reject God because their deeds are evil." No, people reject gods because there is no evidence of gods. You are a liar.
My question still stands -- how does lying help your cause?
I didn't lie so your question was answered. You are a sinner and have commited evil deeds, and need forgiveness just as anyone else. Once again the evidence of God is clearly seen through his creation so the no evidence bit doesn't help you at Judgement. However since you phrsed the question a certain way I'll address your wording. how does lying help your cause?
It wouldn't, but since It's not a lie your question has once again been addressed.
@Dmann4Christ You've just lied AGAIN -- claiming you haven't lied when the record clearly shows you did. Anyone can read it. Your denial is just another lie. Lying For Jesus™ -- a Godco Industry.
My question still stands -- how does lying advance your cause?
No I have explained it to you, but just like your rejection of God you reject the truth of my statement. I will not continue to answer a question I have already answered more than once.
@Kwinnky: It ain't me doing such things, i just take some pretty harsh jabs at anti-christian anti-theists who just love insulting and mocking Jesus, the bible and christians with their potty mouths.
Then i try to actually reason with them when they show signs of actually wanting to reason with me, but then they go back to their usual trolling and i call them out on that.
Tell me, are you such an anti-theist as well and will you first feign rational behaviour before trolling again?
I do not understand this urge to deny something, which cannot be explained by reason or science, but emotions and faith, using logic and science to prove a point: is a moronic debate. And what is their problem with FAITH, is they feel any urge to attack anything, they could do so with CHRCH, that is what is questionable, faith is just not questionable.
@fitobcnfito I can't speak for atheists as a whole, but my issue is not that people believe in god. It is that there are those with very fundamental theologies who's faith comes first in all their ideologies. Of course, this spills over into politics and the lives of those who do not share their beliefs. The intelligent design movement should never have gained momentum. Politicians should not have to bow to the religious. Faith is outside of reason and should not impact those who are not of it.
@ElNerdoLoco: What's wrong with one's faith dictating one's life if one follows Jesus Christ?
What's wrong with being genuinely concerned for other people's eternal lives?
As a christian from the Netherlands and a former atheist myself, i can understand that it can seem as if christians are the big force in the world for people in the US, but look at me, i'm mostly confronted with a secular society and i don't blame wrongdoings of those in power on atheism/anti-theism or its adherents.
@Barachem What s wrong with one's life following their faith? Nothing so far as I am concerned. Now, what is wrong with being concerned with people's eternal lives is where I have an issue. Take on the mindset of someone outside your religion. You have no reason to think there is an afterlife, yet people demand you live as if there is one. They devalue the life you live by insinuating it is a prelude to an eternity, but you do not buy it. Do you appreciate having their standards forced on you?
@ElNerdoLoco: As a former atheist i understand that it can be annoying to get confronted with the gospel, but as a christian, i can assure you that i'll only tell you a few times about it and then shut up and pray for you if you reject it, as only God can change people's hearts.
But demanding from you that you life as if there is an afterlife hwile you don't believe it?
That's asking for religious ceremonies, but that's not what the gospel of Jesus Christ is about.
@ElNerdoLoco: Religious observance is something flat out rejected in the gospel, as it is about personal faith in Jesus Christ, not observing religious traditions/practices.
And no, when i genuinely am concerned with your and other people's eternal life, i'll tell you the gospel, leaveyou to your choice and pray for God's miraculous working.
You don't have to chose for or against Jesus Christ, it's choice, your responsibility.
@Barachem Then you are not the type of Christian I feel must be opposed. Dominionism is what I fear, and I mean it in the broadest sense whether those guilty of it identify as dominionist or not. Religion as a personal matter like Jesus so often seemed to advocate is perfectly fine. It is those who take it outside the personal realm and apply it to issues that effect others I find distasteful.
@Barachem Yes, it is those who have Dominionist ideals I meant to point out in my last post. I have no qualm with Christianity as a personal matter. It is when faith is a ground for legislation or political positions that I take offense. That people want creationism taught as science should not be an issue. That people believe zygotes have souls should not be an issue. A politician's faith should not be an issue. But these are issues, and this is what I dislike. I am sure we agree.
That many people calling themselves christian don't want their faith questioned?
I do understand that many who are insecure will not have their faith questioned.
But on the other hand there are those who are fed up with their faith being questioned time after time after time by people who are using shallow arguments and are insecure about their own ideology.
I group myself in the latter case, being fed up with the constant barrage.
@Barachem I'm with you, I'm fed up of questioning God, that is and should be a personal issue.
I'm not certain on what to believe or not, but none of all this stupidity helps at all.
I find most atheist arguments, even more dogmatic and fanatic than the ones from evangelic freaks, who scream at the street we are all going to hell. This is just doing opposite, and using a megaphone to scream hell does not exist… O.o!
@fitobcnfito: Oh thanks for clearing that up, i totally misunderstood you there, lol.
Iagree, whether you have Westborou baptist hatepreachers or other screaming preacher and other nasty in your face christians or the likes of Dawkins, Hitchens and the new kind of hateful evangelical anti-christian anti-theists, it's all the same crap, dogmatic, fanatical extremists bullying the point into your face until you convert to their side.
Certain street Preachers make a point(though I don't always agree with the approach) and they get arrested quite a bit. Then Westboro just has a message of pure hate and made up of nutjobs, and proceed with police protection, I don't get that.
See I was once agnostic so I know how that game goes. You say in your mind no, but it's manifested in you. Thats why atheists spend so much time discussing God because what if the Christians are right?
you cant hate something you dont belief exists. if you dont believe something exists it means you have no belief in it. in this case your god. you talk about the bible but where is your evidence for god lol. the bible does'nt cut it. pls. tell me what evidence supports your belief in god.you believe, if it is just faith than your belief is a false belief because faith is not evidence and any belief unsupported by evidence is a false belief, so what is the evidence that supports your belief? lol
kyototakeshi1 8 months ago
@kyototakeshi1
Creation itself is evidence for the invisible hand of God. Complexity of a single cell is evidence for God. The knowledge of right and wrong in our hearts is evidence for God. I beleive in God through Faith, logic, and common sense.
Dmann4Christ 8 months ago
@Dmann4Christ lol that does not make sense whatsoever. where is the evidence that the universe had a designer? and for the complexity of a cell once again this does not suggest a designer at all, you a designer. its simplky wishful thinking, truth is your understanding is flawed due to the biased assumptions your make without evidence to support it. as for the understanding of right and wrong how does that support a creator, its laughable, in the words of john mcenroe, you cannot be serious
kyototakeshi1 8 months ago
""Atheists don't believe in God, even though they know he exists in their heart, because they have a hatred for God"... I am an atheist....I can assure you I do not "hate" your God, anymore than I hate unicorns. Contrary to what you say, and absolutely true with most atheists, we DO NOT believe that your God exists in our hearts.
Do you hate Apollo? I'm guessing not, in fact I'm guessing you're indifferent. That's what I feel in my heart for your God. Sorry if you don't believe that.
DarkHorse0863 9 months ago
Well people are entitled to their opinions man. Maybe they just disagree with the evidence provided? I haven't seen the videos yet so I can't really judge for myself.
somerandompagan 1 year ago
@somerandompagan I agree. The evidence is so thin...I mean - Jesus wonders why no one asks him a question that someone asked him. The "debunking"? Jesus asked that question a few hours later. I say, what difference does it make if a few hours passed. He's Jesus, right? Shouldn't he remember a question from a few hours ago?
DarkHorse0863 9 months ago
I agree there should be no earplugging on either side... since i didn't watch the videos mentioned i won't say no more, i just hope both sides stay in the conversation.
Anonymous247n 1 year ago
Have you considered the reason the video isn't popular or well liked is that it simply wasn't as good as advertised? Not everything is a conspiracy, sometimes the response video fails in its goal in part or in whole.
brianblackberry 1 year ago
@Kwinnky: With the question i wanted to make sure you were not one of the trolls not one of the anti-theists one couldn't reason with.
I just phrased it the wrong way, coming off too accusationary.
Again my apologies, i somehow seem to rub people the wrong way, despite good intentions.
Barachem 1 year ago
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@Kwinnky: Actually, the statement itself looks very accusatory towards christians in general when glancing over it.
"You may mean it as "god bless," but there are Christians going around using it as a condescending jab. That, and "I'll pray for you.""
But a somewhat deeper look shows it as a misunderstanding by a subgroup of atheists/anti-theists that a subgroup of christians stand for all christians.
My bad thus.
Barachem 1 year ago
@Kwinnky: It is clear to me now that i misunderstood you and made several rash assumptions.
That can happen.
Don't think i did this because you're an atheist or ardent anti-theist.
I've chewed out christians as well for either trolling and/or being rude and insulting.
I apologize for being too harsh on you, my mistake that i misunderstood you.
But you haven't seen me when i really lack respect, decency and common courtesy.
Under similar circumstances and roles reversed, i'd proven myself good.
Barachem 1 year ago
@Kwinnky: Tell me then how you'd react if you'd see most ardent christians trolling on atheist vids and channels, who then react shocked when being confronted with their own behaviour and biting back, then look as if they're going to reason with you in rationality and then go full-blown troll on you when you are in the process of reasoning with them; and then you come across a comment of a seemingly ardent christian that looks trolling?
Wouldn't you question that christian's motives as well?
Barachem 1 year ago
@Kwinnky: The first comment you posted to gundamfreak4 looks as if you're trolling, but looking back, i do see the other perspective you're trying to give.
But still i'm interested to as where you stand.
I wouldn't take you seriously if i didn't keep pressing that point.
Barachem 1 year ago
@Kwinnky: I'm not asking you how other people will act.
I'm asking you how you will act, so i can either confirm my presuppositions of you or actually enter into a meaningful discussion with you.
But slowly yet surely your evading answers tell me that my hunch of you being just like most other ardent anti-theists is true.
Your answer will reveal to me and other readers which you actually are.
So if you're not an anti-theist troll you have nothing to fear answering me.
Barachem 1 year ago
i think atheist r evil
biggbenji210 1 year ago
@Kwinnky
Fine I've said all I have to say on the matter.
Dmann4Christ 1 year ago
@Kwinnky
It was an absence of morals and the dehumanization of the people.
Dmann4Christ 1 year ago
@Kwinnky
Once again I'm not getting into a debate that is endless. We will not see eye to eye.
Dmann4Christ 1 year ago
@Kwinnky
It does hurt the outlook on how people veiw Christianity, but the actions were not Biblically supported.
Dmann4Christ 1 year ago
@Kwinnky
The diciples accepted Paul as an Apostle, they would be the first to call him out if he was a fraud.
Dmann4Christ 1 year ago
@Kwinnky
Oh boy are we going to start throwing back and forth Founder quotes? I think each has made thier points here, I'm not going into an endless debate.
Dmann4Christ 1 year ago
@Kwinnky
Paul was qualified by God not man. Bill Maher is as irrational as he claims Christians are and is just an ass in general.
Dmann4Christ 1 year ago
@Kwinnky
Hitler had plans to abolish Christianity because he deemed it a threat. The American opressive slavery is not Biblical.
Dmann4Christ 1 year ago
it is just astounding that all these people are on a continuing "battle" to convince everyone that God is fake, it brings one thing to mind, when people are going thru this much trouble to disprove God, it just means hes there to have to disprove, because if God was indeed fake (hes not thou) then there would be no controversy on God. God Rulz!
Hazardviews 1 year ago
@Hazardviews
Amen
Dmann4Christ 1 year ago
@Kwinnky
Yet Jefferson said the Bible makes the best people. huh who would've thought
Dmann4Christ 1 year ago
@Kwinnky
Watching Maher call Jesus a copy of older religions shows how little he knows. What did Paul know about you? He knew what the Godless represent, and how morally corrupt men were without God.
Dmann4Christ 1 year ago
@Kwinnky
Hitler, Mao, Stalin, killed over one hundred million, so your wrong. Ruling atheists caused more death than the religions combined.
Dmann4Christ 1 year ago
Of course it could also be about the number of subscribers. Many of us do not get the number of subs that can be seen on some of these atheist channels. But hey....
MultiArchangel 1 year ago
This just goes to show the hypocrisy. I saw the video series CreationistWON put up. I have known about it for a LONG time. They complain that we bury our heads in the sand, and we refuse to listen to their evidence discrediting us, but when they see a Christian discrediting them, they thumb it down, and go about their business. Most of them would like to have their itching ears tickled, which is why a video series refuting them does not get as many views as it should.
MultiArchangel 1 year ago
Nope, I don't hate God. There isn't any evidence for his existence, that is why I'm an atheist. Thanks for the psycho-analysis though. Even if I did hate God, it would only be the IDEA of God.
acdobens 1 year ago
@acdobens
The rejection of God, and rejection of God's standards demonstrates hatred toward him.
Dmann4Christ 1 year ago
@Dmann4Christ
So because you reject Zeus' existence, you hate him too? I'm failing to see the connection here. I doubt you hate Zeus; you probably could care less about him. Just as I don't care about Yahweh, until his existence can be proven to me. Until then, I can hardly express any emotions about Yahweh other than indifference.
acdobens 1 year ago
@acdobens
Zeus didn't allow me to have forgiveness. Only the blood of Jesus Christ can do it for there is no other name given under heaven in which we can be saved.
Dmann4Christ 1 year ago
@Dmann4Christ
Well, in order for that to be true Jesus (as a God figure) must exist first. This has nothing to do with the attributes of the God/gods in question i.e. forgiveness of sins. In order for those things to be true, it must exist first. It's silly to say that you hate something that doesn't exist. You would have no reason. No existence = no attributes = no reason for hate.
acdobens 1 year ago
@Kwinnky
Well we've seen what Athiesm brings for an entire country. over 100,000,000 dead.
Dmann4Christ 1 year ago
@Kwinnky
Bill Mahr misrepresented Jesus and does not really know anything about him.
Dmann4Christ 1 year ago
@Kwinnky
This country was founded on Christian principles, as the Bible was put in schools by Thomas Jefferson. Yes a Christian should base his policies on Christian Priciples, rather than allowing things like murdering unborn chilren to continue.
Dmann4Christ 1 year ago
@Kwinnky
Romans Chapter1
Atheists need to either 1 discuss the topic, or 2 mock the subject. Not realizing the whole time God's knowledge has always been with us as he manifested it with us. The heart and mind operate opposite so yes you know in your heart he exists while your mind says he most likely does not exist.
Dmann4Christ 1 year ago
@Kwinnky
Christians have been arrested for street preaching. If a politician is Christian then their faith should play a role in thier decision making, but now no ten commandments in a court room, no school prayer, no team prayer, but all along pushing things which are theory presenting them as fact, and teaching our youth that sin is okay. Turn on the television how does mainstream present Christians?
Dmann4Christ 1 year ago
@Kwinnky: And the reason i ask that question to you is whether to see what you're made of.
Whether you're just another loud mouth obnoxious anti-christian anti-theist extremist or an a(nti-)theist who can be reasoned with.
So that question still stands, answer it if you dare to.
Barachem 1 year ago
@Kwinnky: Well tell me then why the very vocal ones feel the need to insult and mock mostly christians...
I mean, why take the effort to deride those one claims one wants to change, when rational, logical and reasoned response would be more appropriate?
It is in very stark contrast to how i approached the gospel when confronted with it when i still was and atheist.
I rejected it and demanded proof.
I didn't insult or mock christians, as i then didn't care about the gospel.
Barachem 1 year ago
@UncleWaddyHead
I asked nicely, but now your blocked for blasphemy.
Dmann4Christ 1 year ago
@UncleWaddyHead Which goddam god?
Also please don't blaspheme on my video.
Dmann4Christ 1 year ago
@UncleWaddyHead
There's only one. Faith through Jesus Christ because he's the one who paid the price for atonement of sin.
Dmann4Christ 1 year ago
@Kwinnky
You can disagree with me I never said you couldn't.
Dmann4Christ 1 year ago
@Kwinnky That's even before we bring up that religion makes itself part of the lives of those who don't adhere to it.
Everyones perspective usually gets pushes into public in one form or another. We are told just deal with it and leave our religion at home or church when we have others opinions and views shoved down our throats also. I also don't wonder why atheists are responding. A deliberate rejection of God while is from putting sin before God which equals hatred for God.
Dmann4Christ 1 year ago
Your final statement at 3:12 is a lie, of course, and you're aware that it's a lie. It's a silly lie: "I don't believe in Merlin the Magician, because I HATE Merlin the Magician!" If you're going to lie, try not to be silly about it.
My question to you is: how does lying help your cause? Are you going to persuade me, an atheist, with lies? Of course not. Are you preaching to the choir? How does that help? What do you think lies accomplish? Just curious.
UncleWaddyHead 1 year ago
@UncleWaddyHead: Maybe Dmann4Christ is just assuming that most atheists don't believe in God because they hate Him and is not necessarily lying.
I, as a former atheist myself, am of the opinion that it isn't atheists who hate God, but a sub-group of anti-christian anti-theist extremist trolls that might be hating God and expressing their anger towards Jesus Christ, the bible and christians.
Anyway, i've found that in any ideological there are reasonable people and dogmatic extremists.
Barachem 1 year ago
@Barachem He does say in his statement that I, as an atheist, KNOW in my blood-pumping organ that God exists. That is an out-and-out lie. How do I know that it's a lie? I am an atheist, and I know he's making shit up.
Lying.
UncleWaddyHead 1 year ago
@UncleWaddyHead
Not a lie at all. People reject God because their deeds are evil. Now you can claim its a lie all you want, but even as scripture says that the knowledge of God is manifested in you, and that his invisible hand is clearly seen through creation so everyone is without excuse.
I will admit you have an interesting YT name.
Dmann4Christ 1 year ago
@Dmann4Christ You've just lied again. "People reject God because their deeds are evil." No, people reject gods because there is no evidence of gods. You are a liar.
My question still stands -- how does lying help your cause?
UncleWaddyHead 1 year ago
@UncleWaddyHead
I didn't lie so your question was answered. You are a sinner and have commited evil deeds, and need forgiveness just as anyone else. Once again the evidence of God is clearly seen through his creation so the no evidence bit doesn't help you at Judgement. However since you phrsed the question a certain way I'll address your wording. how does lying help your cause?
It wouldn't, but since It's not a lie your question has once again been addressed.
Dmann4Christ 1 year ago
@Dmann4Christ You've just lied AGAIN -- claiming you haven't lied when the record clearly shows you did. Anyone can read it. Your denial is just another lie. Lying For Jesus™ -- a Godco Industry.
My question still stands -- how does lying advance your cause?
UncleWaddyHead 1 year ago
@UncleWaddyHead
No I have explained it to you, but just like your rejection of God you reject the truth of my statement. I will not continue to answer a question I have already answered more than once.
Dmann4Christ 1 year ago
@Kwinnky: It ain't me doing such things, i just take some pretty harsh jabs at anti-christian anti-theists who just love insulting and mocking Jesus, the bible and christians with their potty mouths.
Then i try to actually reason with them when they show signs of actually wanting to reason with me, but then they go back to their usual trolling and i call them out on that.
Tell me, are you such an anti-theist as well and will you first feign rational behaviour before trolling again?
Barachem 1 year ago
I do not understand this urge to deny something, which cannot be explained by reason or science, but emotions and faith, using logic and science to prove a point: is a moronic debate. And what is their problem with FAITH, is they feel any urge to attack anything, they could do so with CHRCH, that is what is questionable, faith is just not questionable.
fitobcnfito 1 year ago
@fitobcnfito I can't speak for atheists as a whole, but my issue is not that people believe in god. It is that there are those with very fundamental theologies who's faith comes first in all their ideologies. Of course, this spills over into politics and the lives of those who do not share their beliefs. The intelligent design movement should never have gained momentum. Politicians should not have to bow to the religious. Faith is outside of reason and should not impact those who are not of it.
ElNerdoLoco 1 year ago
@ElNerdoLoco: What's wrong with one's faith dictating one's life if one follows Jesus Christ?
What's wrong with being genuinely concerned for other people's eternal lives?
As a christian from the Netherlands and a former atheist myself, i can understand that it can seem as if christians are the big force in the world for people in the US, but look at me, i'm mostly confronted with a secular society and i don't blame wrongdoings of those in power on atheism/anti-theism or its adherents.
Barachem 1 year ago
@Barachem What s wrong with one's life following their faith? Nothing so far as I am concerned. Now, what is wrong with being concerned with people's eternal lives is where I have an issue. Take on the mindset of someone outside your religion. You have no reason to think there is an afterlife, yet people demand you live as if there is one. They devalue the life you live by insinuating it is a prelude to an eternity, but you do not buy it. Do you appreciate having their standards forced on you?
ElNerdoLoco 1 year ago
@ElNerdoLoco: As a former atheist i understand that it can be annoying to get confronted with the gospel, but as a christian, i can assure you that i'll only tell you a few times about it and then shut up and pray for you if you reject it, as only God can change people's hearts.
But demanding from you that you life as if there is an afterlife hwile you don't believe it?
That's asking for religious ceremonies, but that's not what the gospel of Jesus Christ is about.
Barachem 1 year ago
@ElNerdoLoco: Religious observance is something flat out rejected in the gospel, as it is about personal faith in Jesus Christ, not observing religious traditions/practices.
And no, when i genuinely am concerned with your and other people's eternal life, i'll tell you the gospel, leaveyou to your choice and pray for God's miraculous working.
You don't have to chose for or against Jesus Christ, it's choice, your responsibility.
Your private affairs are yours to handle.
Barachem 1 year ago
@Barachem Then you are not the type of Christian I feel must be opposed. Dominionism is what I fear, and I mean it in the broadest sense whether those guilty of it identify as dominionist or not. Religion as a personal matter like Jesus so often seemed to advocate is perfectly fine. It is those who take it outside the personal realm and apply it to issues that effect others I find distasteful.
ElNerdoLoco 1 year ago
@ElNerdoLoco: Dominionism is actually dangerous, be it that it's actually unbiblical.
Actually, you shouldn't be looking at dominionist christians only, but look at anyone with dominionist ideals, whatever paradigm (s)he has.
Trying to convince others of one's paradigm isn't problematic in itself, but it's how it's done that matters.
Being obnoxious about it, in whatever way, is just bad for one's testimony.
Forcing it only begets rebellion.
Simply explaining it and leaving it at that is best.
Barachem 1 year ago
@Barachem Yes, it is those who have Dominionist ideals I meant to point out in my last post. I have no qualm with Christianity as a personal matter. It is when faith is a ground for legislation or political positions that I take offense. That people want creationism taught as science should not be an issue. That people believe zygotes have souls should not be an issue. A politician's faith should not be an issue. But these are issues, and this is what I dislike. I am sure we agree.
ElNerdoLoco 1 year ago
@fitobcnfito: What are you trying to convey here?
That many people calling themselves christian don't want their faith questioned?
I do understand that many who are insecure will not have their faith questioned.
But on the other hand there are those who are fed up with their faith being questioned time after time after time by people who are using shallow arguments and are insecure about their own ideology.
I group myself in the latter case, being fed up with the constant barrage.
Barachem 1 year ago
@Barachem I'm with you, I'm fed up of questioning God, that is and should be a personal issue.
I'm not certain on what to believe or not, but none of all this stupidity helps at all.
I find most atheist arguments, even more dogmatic and fanatic than the ones from evangelic freaks, who scream at the street we are all going to hell. This is just doing opposite, and using a megaphone to scream hell does not exist… O.o!
fitobcnfito 1 year ago
@fitobcnfito: Oh thanks for clearing that up, i totally misunderstood you there, lol.
Iagree, whether you have Westborou baptist hatepreachers or other screaming preacher and other nasty in your face christians or the likes of Dawkins, Hitchens and the new kind of hateful evangelical anti-christian anti-theists, it's all the same crap, dogmatic, fanatical extremists bullying the point into your face until you convert to their side.
Both make me mad and disgruntled.
Barachem 1 year ago
@Barachem
Certain street Preachers make a point(though I don't always agree with the approach) and they get arrested quite a bit. Then Westboro just has a message of pure hate and made up of nutjobs, and proceed with police protection, I don't get that.
Dmann4Christ 1 year ago
@Kwinnky
LOL really.
See I was once agnostic so I know how that game goes. You say in your mind no, but it's manifested in you. Thats why atheists spend so much time discussing God because what if the Christians are right?
Dmann4Christ 1 year ago
He also blocked us lol
pur3o3end 1 year ago
@pur3o3end
Not surprised when you destroyed his arguements. They were great videos.
Dmann4Christ 1 year ago
I thought creationist never win?
Biowasters 1 year ago
@Biowasters
Not in this case. He blew thier claims out of the water.
Dmann4Christ 1 year ago
@Dmann4Christ
Imma have to see this then. Get back to ya.
Biowasters 1 year ago
I've seen atheists take the phrase, "God Bless" as the F word. It's crazy.
gundamfreak4 1 year ago
@gundamfreak4
Yeah you'd think you just slapped them with thier response. God bless, and thanks for commenting.
Dmann4Christ 1 year ago