Immaturity: Chinese College Students vs. American Middle School Students

[PrintmakingToday]

also the fontenelles in asian skulls fuse later in their development, contributing to the larger average brain case relative to whites

[PrintmakingToday]

this is just copied from the wiki article on "race, evolution and behavior"

Blacks - Whites - Asians

Gestation time Shorter Longer Longer

Skeletal development Earlier Intermediate Later

Motor development Earlier Intermediate Later

Dental development Earlier Intermediate Later

Age of first intercourse Earlier Intermediate Later

Age of first pregnancy Earlier Intermediate Later

Lifespan Shortest Intermediate Longest

[Ksabrs45]

@PrintmakingToday

Thanks - I hadn't put this video in the context of racial differences yet.

[theyummy97]

i can totally see what your saying, and although i agree all of this is true. in an almost sick way they get to be kids (stupid kids) longer and for some reason get better scores

[Ksabrs45]

@theyummy97

North Asians have higher IQs on average

[guitarhamster102]

lol yeah, Chinese kids are too dependent on their parents and tend to be very spoiled. It's not bad if you go to Taiwan to teach.

But like severussnape says, Asian AMERICANS are wayyyy different from Asians in Asia.

[severussnape222]

wow really? i live in america im asian and asians in america are MUCH more mature i dont know where you go, but thats ridiculous.

also no offense but when you mentioned phsychological dependancy on parents, you sounded kind of like that UCLA racist girl.

[Ksabrs45]

Yeah I'm a racist expat with an axe to grind.

[severussnape222]

@Ksabrs45 what do you mean by that, you are a racist?

[incahenable]

@severussnape222 Your An idiot You've been Westernized and YOUR TALKING ABOUT ASIANS IN THE US! SO you very well could be more mature but I agree that while I was in China I encountered the very same thing that while i was 16 at the time I was more mature than 22 yr old Chinese girls that i encountered.

He's in no way being racist he's just giving a western view and observing his classes.

[severussnape222]

wow really? i live in america im asian and asians in america are MUCH more mature i dont know where you go, but thats ridiculous.

[darkyetbright]

This is due to the cultural revolution and the destruction of traditional values, traditional literature and 'antique' manners. This is end result of Mao's policies.

[paramitas]

Interesting video. May I ask you a quick question? You mentioned FSU (?) in video. What's the full name of the university you are teaching (?) at?

[Ksabrs45]

@paramitas

I don't give out the name of the school where I work. FSU is where I graduated from in the US

[paramitas]

@Ksabrs45 Yeah, after viewing other videos of yours, I realized that you are concerned about your safety in case your disclose your location. This makes me a little bit sad. A Northeastern small-to-middle Chinese towns perhaps have some of the most irrationally nationalist people you can find in China (maybe my personal prejudice). So I understand your position. But still I think you are a little bit overcautious in this matter. (I am from China and studying in the US)

[Esoparagon]

If you so much as start giving a lone girl trouble in Australia there's a thousand guys intervening ready to knock your block out. Even if the girl was hitting you or giving you shit or something. lol

[Ksabrs45]

你写的批评跟本录像一点关系都没了~好像不理解的就是你。

[ouiouilu1]

你们根本不了解真正的我们！傻逼们！该醒醒了！我们也不再是过去­的我们，你以为我们还是留着长辫子前面剃光头的家伙么？

[inasmiles]

my sympathies are with you...i know how frustrating students can be sometimes. it's also possible that some students might think they can somehow manipulate you, or be persistent with you in their requests, because you were more friendly with them than their chinese teachers, and you didn't have as much authority over them as a foreign teacher. that being said, it's an art for the teacher to earn respect with students. I believe even a less feared foreign teacher can do that.

[Noliving]

I agree that its the diet, but that the reason is in fact that american's put growth hormones in their food which causes puberty start early.

[RyanMiddle]

It's true some how. However, the mathematical skills and other natural science knowledge of the college students even the graduate students in the U.S. remind me the middle school students in China.

[SuperRyiefy]

i completely agree with this video...

[Ksabrs45]

@SuperRyiefy

Thanks, I like it when people support my general conclusions. It gives me credibility. I don't want to come across as some racist ex pat with an axe to grind.

[Gizziiusa]

@SuperRyiefy i second that, but im talking about Thais.

[pinoko1311]

china is a place where you earn money Not a place where you enjoy your life

[Ksabrs45]

@pinoko1311

I love your timing. I was actually fondling my pay check as I read your comment.

[Ksabrs45]

@pinoko1311

To to be fair, there is no reason why enjoying life here is impossible. I would be happier if more Libertarians were willing to form small international communities where economic opportunities are available. Unfortunately, most people, despite their relative dissent on a variety of issues, are unwilling to leave their home country and try to make it in a foreign land. Thus, my isolation.

[pinoko1311]

@Ksabrs45 yea no room for Nozick in China ;) besides, china's ccp regime is a visible antithesis for libertarian ideals.. you are a libertarian, right? then why are you in china? japan and south korea are far more liberal and democratic.

[Ksabrs45]

@pinoko1311

I had to Google Nozick. I'm not really concerned about ideals at this point. I'm concerned with my standard of living. I moved to China because I speak Chinese. I don't want to learn a second East Asian language. Despite my distaste for talking to most people most of the time - being able to communicate, on my own, about important things is very valuable.

[taehwanjo]

@Ksabrs45 You can speak English in Korea. I think this is even more true in Japan, but I've never been there. I was in Korea last winter and every person I approached on the street spoke English. I think you'll be happier there. The culture is much more liberal than that of China, and you'll be making more money in terms of USD as well.

[Ksabrs45]

@taehwanjo

I'm pretty happy in China. My friends live in Beijing. Its true, you can make more in nominal terms for your first job in Korea - but for my next job it will be more or greater than Korea - but the cost of living is much lower so the money goes further. Also, i'm waiting for the RMB revaluation.

[fructoric]

@pinoko1311 A Classical Liberal orientation is not really any more compatible with representative or direct Democracy than it is with one party rule. What matters is the mentalities of the authorities at the top and popular culture. I believe that the Chinese government is more liberal (free) than their conservative (intrusive) supporting population.

[fructoric]

@pinoko1311 In addition, how is one a very good "Libertarian" if they are not willing to go find the liberties (or opportunities) they need in order to achieve their goals? Here in "Communist" China I have the opportunity to move ahead professionally, get valuable new professional experience, I have a upper-middle class income with lots of free time and A LOT of savings for this economy. I can focus on my interests, better parenting, taking care of our home, expanding our family etc.

[MagnusNielsenBewick]

You are accumulating enough material for a very interesting book.

[Ksabrs45]

@MagnusNielsenBewick

Thanks but I doubt that much of what i'm saying is original. I'm sure its all been documented in some obscure anthropology journal or text.

[MagnusNielsenBewick]

Very illuminating, as ever.

Perhaps they are coming up for air after 5000 years of repression.

[trumasamune]

These videos are so dope.

Thanks for sharing.

[Ksabrs45]

@trumasamune

Thanks.

[AarontheCurious]

Oh also, if I worked in China I think I would want to invest in the Heng Seng or some sort of Chinese stock market, because I understand they have like 4% inflation... then again if their banking system was that difficult on foreigners I would imagine their would be a lot of headache in the stock market to...

anyway would you care to comment on that?

[Ksabrs45]

@AarontheCurious

I don't know much about investing in China. I imagine its a headache for foreigners - once I accrue enough savings and once the interest rate gets high enough I'll probably try to open a CD here but I'm not really there yet. I do know that they sell precious metals freely at the major banks - they often promote gold.

[fructoric]

@Ksabrs45

As absurd as the banking is and since (as I understand it) foreigners cannot own and operate business here, I do not think this is the market for an expat. Also, I think I recall something about the government here actually wanting to prevent too much foreign capital from flooding the market, but that may be incorrect.

[fructoric]

@AarontheCurious Thinking of moving to China?

[AarontheCurious]

@fructoric yeah it's on the table, but I won't graduate until spring of 2012

I want to just for the sake of enriching my mandarin skills, but also due to employment uncertainty. I think US standard of living will end up falling and Chinese standard of living will end up rising due to capital accumulation or capital consumption in the US' case.

Also our government is extremely insolvent and I would prefer to watch the civil unrest that will probably ensue on a television screen

[fructoric]

@AarontheCurious

I agree with all of your comments. Graduating with a Bachelor's degree or what? What is your long term goal that learning/improving Mandarin serves?

[AarontheCurious]

@fructoric yes I'm getting a BA in economics at Northern Illinois University, I am interested in economics, history, and philosophy.

I'm 20 and what I want to do at this point is cultivate my knowledge I don't feel grad school necessarily helps me in that or guarantees a job as a prof there is this whole pecking order thing and I might not even get into grad school, I like to be prepared for whatever might happen so I am giving it very serious consideration leaning toward going when I graduate

[fructoric]

@AarontheCurious

Sounds reasonable.

I dreamed of grad school for a long time after being accepted and not going, but it is a pipe dream that serve few practical goals while losing productive years. It's part of the group fantasy. Most of what I learned was on my own and facilitated by diminishing or eliminating formal academic requirements.

[AarontheCurious]

@fructoric To give you an idea of why econ grad school isn't appealing to me they actually accept people with a physics background into top programs because of their math background

I'm more of a philosopher type, I mean I don't even feel comfortable with econometrics epistemologically, I'm not convinced there is quantitative regularity in human decision making

it feels like it would be an exercise of appeasement, not to mention that these profs can't predict their way out of a paper bag

[fructoric]

@AarontheCurious

Yeah, how are equations or physicists prepared to factor subjective values without even considering psychology? You know the answer and I agree with your orientation and appraisal of your options and their value. Even if we are all mostly biologically the same (for the sake of argument), we all have different input, so our output varies. I suppose you are familiar with LVMI.

[AarontheCurious]

@fructoric Yeah I consider myself a Misesian. I first read of the problem of quantitative regularity while reading Theory and History which was so so, a lot of refutations of stuff I consider irrelevant but that's what you get in a 50+ year old book

[Ksabrs45]

@AarontheCurious

This is my position exactly but even most Libertarians won't accept that this is likely the situation that Americans are in,

[Ksabrs45]

@AarontheCurious

I imagine that if you're in Hong Kong its easy(easier).

[AarontheCurious]

You said this was a school in one of the less developed parts of China, do you think you would see the same thing at a more I guess for lack of a better word prestigious school?

[Ksabrs45]

@AarontheCurious

My only other experience was when I was studying in Tianjin. It does seem in retrospect like the students there were more composed but then again my exposure was limited to the handful of students who wanted to interact with Americans. But even at that University, one day a guy was smacking his girlfriend around in broad daylight. Some of the other Americans I was with ran at them to intervene but the guy bolted off.

[fructoric]

@AarontheCurious

These students are from all over China, small and large cities alike. Although the majority are from this province, they are from larger, more developed areas. My point, I guess, is that I assume these students come from similar crops that the students at more prestigious schools and if these patterns are so prevalent here, then I doubt there is much large-scale deviation. I think their "condition" says more about Chinese "culture" and upbringing.

[AarontheCurious]

@fructoric Most certainly, you don't see Chinese Americans acting that way.

Also I think relatively more orderly "student behavior" in America was more orderly primarily because we were seeking approval by our peers at least that's how I felt maybe they're primarily concerned with what their parents think of them.

I think it's important that one feels they are to some extent forging their own destiny. These students probably didn't pick which college they would go to.

[fructoric]

@AarontheCurious Maybe there were more nuanced social groups in my school days than here in China at the moment. I made comfortable changes to fit in at school, but I defied my parents. Oh, and like many of my students, I went to the closest (state) university and continued doing the exact same thing I was forced to do in high school. More or less a waste of time and capital. So I just perceive the continuation of the same mistakes here. I am equally critical of my past.

[Nielsio]

wow

[clydeshouse]

I'm glad you're being honest. It's damn hard to talk about observed cultural differences from firsthand experience when people don't want to hear it.

I've had the same kinds of observations.

[fructoric]

Yeah. Tons of arrested development, manipulation, and misdirected intimacy and energy. There's little to respect.