what about the damage caused from the wreckage of tower 1? started at floor 18 and took out a whole corner of the building from that point down? why are all the videos of wtc7 that are shown in support of the conspiricy theorists edited to cut out the collapse of the east penthouse(thus indicating the collapse of the interior structure)? something like 8 seconds before the shell of the building collapsed.the fact that these videos have been edited in this way must surely give some concern?
0:29 there are WAY more SEVERE fires on the other side. Something most 9/11 truthers refuse to discuss. Not to mention Building 7's transfer load design. DYLAN AVERY HAS WOKEN UP AND NO LONGER USES THE TERM INSIDE JOB! He was the one who made Loose Change.
1:37 "What do you think" We think your video is just bullshit. It was typical edited truther lies. The top portion of Windsor tower that was steel collapsed (it is seen in your vid) the concrete structure is what remained. Concrete is different from steel. Also you show only part of the WTC7 collapse you fail to show the damaged side and the complete collapse. This is just another load of typical truther bullshit you fucking idiot.
looks to me like wtc 7 was the final target for 9/11, and flight 93. it was already wired to go and had to be taken out no matter what lest investigators find the thermite charges.
@vengencefrom1979 You don't take down buildings with thermite dude. A silly story before its even out of the gate. Also.. welding torches produce the exact same little spherical iron balls.
I find it hard to believe some giant conspiracy is afoot when Ashely Banfield of CNN is on air live stating.. "7 is the next building to come down"
Is it just me or did the mechanical penthouse collapse first? is that what collapsed first? because if it did why would the most important and structuraly reinforced part of the building go first? tell me what this "penthouse was"
I am getting sick of these B7 videos. All of you "TM" people are a google search away from an education. But i will save you the time.
B7 was entirely known about by the FDNY. The chief (Dan Nigro...look it up!!) stood in front of it when it fell. Did not hear a sound of any charges. Nor did anyone say anything about that until all this crap on YT raised its ugly paranoid head. Nor was anything seen or found in the pile afterward.
@roquefortfiles explain why larry silverstein says they made DECISION TO PULL IT... i mean we have nanothermite proof and CONFESSION that they pulled it... what else do u need
@zelenko2 LOL!! a completely misrepresented quote. And used constantly to push this idea of a CD. Couldn't be further from the truth. What Silverstein is referring to is FDNY Chief Dan Nigro's decision to..."Pull his men out of it so nobody else got killed in another collapse" . Go look it up. They BOTH even clarify this statement. btw.. There is no CD tech on the planet who would EVER consider using Thermite for a CD. Wouldn't happen. 7 was fully expected to collapse. Silly stories.
@marvelfannumber1 Right.. while people were IN the building? Let me tell you one thing then, it takes weeks, or months of preparations to 'demolish'..as you say, the building, not just hours to plant explosives and take it out the same day as the attacks.. and especially who would be planting demolition-explosives on a building that is on FIRE?
@Bet10Bux Right.. while people were IN the building? Let me tell you one thing then, it takes weeks, or months of preparations to 'demolish'..
Do you think they planned this over night? Also ,you can paint thermite,what would be so obvious ablout people painting offices?Thonk outside the bun oh brainwashed one.
@koolbossjock you're calling people brainwashed? yeah, brainwashed people search 9/11 conspiracy videos on youtube and comment below... So your claim is that some fires in the building demolished the whole building -not just one column- and put it on its blueprints in SECONDS!! then why care to pay demolisher teams and use explosives to take down buildings like this? explain that?
Hey dipshit I Live on greenwich ST in lower manhattan,, we watched fdny wire the building with the feds.it was imploded deliberatley.. The buildin was fucked up« grow the fuck up.. Accept it for what it is.get a life..
there was a hole or gash from the 18th floor to the ground taking a corner right out from under building seven cause by the falling towers, google above if you want to know the truth for the sane people who don't think elvis was flying one of the planes and jimmi hendrix pressed a button to demolish wtc7
@debunkingdebunkers dumbest coment really? facts are facts. the conspirosy theorys have the dumb comments and anyone who agrees with them is really not worth replying to
Yup. Either it was demolished or it was extremely poorly designed. Why wouldn't FEMA (they did investigate it after all) just say that it was demolished instead of saying that it collapsed because of small fires?
So, the brilliant conspirators, were CLEVER and sneaky enough to wire up a massive building with large quantities of explosives, undetected; but at the same time, STUPID enough to spend the time to do it so "well" that it would actually be recognised as a controlled demolition?
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hey stupid ass anarchist, building 7 was imploded by the NYFD, ASSHOLE, I live in NYC and alot of actually watch the fire department wire the building-- fear mongerer. Because the building sustained alot of collateral damage..shove your conspiracy up your ass and i wish you was here. keep it thorough wit cha......another video tough guy, fuckin clown
@chef197 thats totally shit they couldent know that the wtc 7 would be on fire and it takes WEEKS to wire a building of that size and that where other building closer thta sustained more collateral damage which didnt collapsed anyone who belive tha official story is so blind its ridicoulous..
hey dip shit it would take weeks for a demolition crew to wire a building this size for demolition and your trying to tell us it was done in a few hours, pull your head out of your ass. 9-11 = inside job wake up and smell the coffee
@chef197 Here's what I've been saying: (1) WTC7 was heavily damaged; (2) A decision was made by Silverstein to pull down WTC7 because it could not possibly be repaired (and I'm sure insurance money was a consideration); (3) WTC7 was quickly wired for demolition and since it was already badly damaged, they only had to wire certain parts of it in order to make it come down on its' own foot print; (4) WTC7 comes down by controlled demolition.
You are talking to people who attended american public schools. Your attempts to bring physics, logic and common sense into the dicussion are doomed to fail
The world trade center buildings were demo'ed. Fire, bombs, earthquakes, missiles, ect, none of that ever causes buildings to fall perfectly straight down. The only thing that causes that is percise well planned demo charges.
this isn't even a half way good lie by the goverment, but they knew you'd let them get away with it. Physics are the proof that the planes did not bring down the towers. Just do a little research and you'll see.
@LOLCATS3111 only if the supports are taken out in a percise well planned manner. Neither fire ,earthquakes, or even lots of bombs ever causes this. This is only caused by percise, controlled blasts. Its basic physics.
@LOLCATS3111 Extremely rare to happen in the first place. But if you took out a chunk from the bottom, it would fall on its side like a tree. The twin towers, at best, would have the top sections fall off to the side, just like chopping a tree in the middle. The building itself is more then sturdy enough to not completely flatten, and btw, the buildings fell at terminal velocity, that means as fast as gravity can pull them down. There's no resistence from the structure at all as they fall.
@LOLCATS3111 You obvisouly don't understand the physics involved here. Open space does not mean weak. You honestly think buildings are flimsy and weak? Why don't they ever pan cake? They never do, unless the supports are percisely removed via demo. Thats just a fact, sorry. And the time it takes something to fall 1254 feet(the height of the twin towers) is about 8 seconds. It took about 9 seconds for buildings to come completely down. Thats free fall give or take 1 second. Thats not resistence
@LOLCATS3111 You should do some research. Try and find other buildings that perfectly pan cake via fire(or any non demo means). Find one example. Serisouly, try and find one. Here's a hint, you won't. There hasn't been a single building in the last 100 years that pan caked from fire, but have a look for your self. Your not aruging with me, your arguing with science and physics. If you really care though, you should look into it. I did a fair amount of research on this. You should too.
@pjwd07 better YET , find us three hi -rise buildings in history where the sprinkler systems failed and the fire depratment did not attempt to put the fires out and the buildings DIDN'T COLLAPSE
I guess youve never heard phone calls from wtc have you?
People reported the sprinklers were working above the impact zone and one in particular reported ankle deep water.
Its on here computer tv called channel4 on demand and called phone calls from the twin towers if you can be bothered to check anything factual before instantly launching into blind denial
@LOLCATS3111 i guess thats why they said the sprinklers worked then.
DUH!
I dont know if you realise it but water flows down
can you grasp that?
The people reporting ankle deep water were ABOVE the impact zone.
Ok put 2 and 2 together.
And now your lost eh?
You come up with some nonsenical answer every time. Yopu debunkers are totally pathetic and clutch at ANYTHING if it makes the official crap somehow true.
@zenoist2 ~ MORON a sprinkler system is a closed system a broken line ANYWHERE will cause the system to completely drain out - the sprinkler system in the WTC DID NOT WORK since it was destroyed by the plane impacts
If eyewitnesses report the sprinkler system worked, then it might well have worked..
GOT IT? is it so hard to understand?
Dismissing eyewitness accounts out of hand because it doesnt fit the official theory and not even researching it is getting to be a very old story by now and more and more people are realizing theres a lot of unanswered questions.
@zenoist2 ~ well if its so easy to find POST IT ..... all the calls I have heard from above the impact zone is from people screaming that it was hard to breath and that it was hot ......... NOTHING ABOUT ANKLE DEEP WATER
@justforflag2 Please link to the south side, east side, or west side video. Please link to anything that shows any sort of fire besides that included in the video.
In addition, you can see a huge amount of smoke coming from the south side in almost every video, and also, there has been damage recorded on the south side, so much that the fire progressed all the way to the north.
The building didn't fall as one piece - instead, the floors fell one on top of the other. First, the east penthouse. Then, the west. Third came the penthouses crushing the floors on which they fell, and with less resistance, mind you, since the fire had weakened the support. Therefore, you expect the building not to fall as one piece, but as multiple floors one on top of the other.
@justforflag2 It's just to clean. The top floor wouldn't have fallen first. IF the structure was weakened due to fire then the part that should have collapsed first was the bottom, fire ridden floors of the south side. They would have had the most weight on them and the weakest support. We did not see the south collapse before the north. We saw a coordinated collapse, where the top of the building fell into the middle which fell into the bottom. It didn't fall, it imploded.
Yes, that would have happened if the whole building was damaged evenly, unlike what happened. The most damage was dealt to the roof, and in part to the south face. So, the fires started from the top floors, and then went down.
that colapse looks to clean, I can imagine something like that from a demolition specialist. I mean, what are the probabilities of see that in a disaster event.
Why Russians official statement about 9/11 is that it was a terrorist attack made by al qaeda organization which is supported by taliban regime? Were Russian secret service/spies drinking vodka and buying the lies from US? or meybe some people love mysteries and believing in conspiracies?
Why Russians official statement about 9/11 is that it was a terrorist attack made by al qaeda organization which is supported by taliban regime? Were Russian secret service/spies drinking vodka and buying the lies from US? or meybe some people love mysteries and believing in conspiracies?
Those who placed the timed explosives were professional who really knew what they were doing. I wonder how many people worked on this and how long it took. We do know that there were periodic security shutdowns for at least weeks prior to 9/11.
From 0:53-0:55 That's the demolition crew. Can we get some names of these guys? Could that one guy that spots the camera then turns his face away quickly be Andreas StraussMeyer? These guys definitely look guilty to me.
yup, never noticed that, thanks for sharing. Yeah what the hell is he looking away from the camera like that for? Hiding his face. Too late buddy we see you!
why can'tpeople just let this whole conspiricy go, what happened happened and no argument will change that. so just get on with your lives like me and most of the people i know already did
that's not what i said. i actually hate the us government, y'know obvious reasons, but people usually make a big deal of it only once a year, the day it happened, so if they're only going to acknolage it on the day it happened then why not forget about it all together. like i said before it already happened there's nothing we can do to stop it now
All the buildings fell in perfect demolition style. Crashes, burns would leave uneven damage and uneven collapses. All these buildings dropped almost flawlessly into their own footprints.
what in the hell do you know about this? Every building that size has so much stored kentic enegry that the only way for them to fall is stright down. Listen if you dont know about something, ask questions. Dont state things as facts, when you have no idea
dude the whole pupose steel columns is to provide resistence. It doesnt matter how much kinetic energy bs you are blabbering about, those buildings should still be standing there today if it was not for controled demolishin. This is so stupid. It just goes to show what our education system is really worth.
@Origin305 It goes to show you just how many people can be told that "it's the muffler bearing" and will believe it. They just don't have clue 1 about most things like this in life.
The buildings were demolished with explosives. The symetrical collapse and the freefall speed of many of the floors are proof that the governmets official story is false. Over 900 Architects and engineers know this and have signed a petition for a new investigation for 9/11.
Wait, it was the Juggernought, right? That was supposed to reach a magical number of 1000 in September 2008?
0,05% of experts (including software engineers and landscape engineers, among others) agree the official story is impossible. This is an absolutely vast number!
The remaining 99,95% agree with the official story, but they are obviously controlled and live in fear.
How can it be that one person out of a large organization is willing to stick their neck out when no one else DARES in the face of OBVIOUS wrong doing?
Thats right, the majority do not want to get involved! Regardless if they KNOW they are taking part in illegal activities.
"I was only following orders..." "I didnt know what was going on in those camps"
Dont be ignorant. And look at the evidence the few and the brave have provided
That's a quite common allegatin I keep hearing. That the 99.95% of experts are living in fear for their lives, their careers and so on and the 0.05% (and I'm being generus) are the few, the brave, who fight the system.
If this is all you look at, it sounds almost possible.
What no one has been able to tell me so far is how come that none of these brave souls were ever threatend, or even killed. How come you're able to read all these books and see documentaries, yet their authors live in peace?
I don't see how comparing the US government to Nazis is a good argument. Most of the books and documentaries you mentioned were made in the US, and are available to US customers via US publishers, are paid through accounts in US banks, and no one, not the customers and not anyone else in the chain is punished as a result.
That only shows that making comparisons with the Nazis weakens your case. A state like that would be able to silence such critics easily.
Depending on when you start counting the rise, it could be anywhere between 12 years to a few weeks.
German empire being one of the most progressive countries of that time? Hardly. Sure, they were reformed into the Weimar republic, but unless you're going to argue that a few years of the republic completely and utterly changed the way people thought and behaved, you might as well stop trying to debate anyone for the rest of your life.
"The Reichstag fire (German: Der Reichstagsbrand) was an arson attack on the Reichstag building in Berlin on 27 February 1933. The event is seen as pivotal in the establishment of Nazi Germany."
The day after the fire, Hitler asked for and received from President Hindenburg the Reichstag Fire Decree, signed into law by Hindenburg using Article 48 of the Weimar Constitution. The Reichstag Fire Decree suspended most civil liberties in... Hitler, after having obtained his emergency powers, announced that it was the start of a Communist plot to take over Germany. This sent the Germans into a panic and isolated the Communists further among the civilians;
Yes, comparing a Reichstag fire to 9/11 makes so much sense. In no version of Reichstag fire is more than one conspirator doing the dirty job.
In the case of 9/11, it would require anywhere from hundreds to millions. Your version requires the latter number.
Secondly, we have ample evidence the US is nowhere near as oppressive as Nazi Germany. You being alive is proof enough of that. Therefore comparing the two is at the very least, meaningless if not harmful to your argument.
You'll need to put up more than a list of countries and natinalities that were somewhere wronged by the US. I want to see evidence of mass progroms organized by the US, mass executions, forced mass expulsions based only on nationality with seisure of all property, eugenics, arrest, torture and execution of dissidents, gas chambers, genocide and more in all states you mentioned, as well as explanation how you're able to say this on a US server without fear.
I wouldnt be making a big deal about it if I wasnt.
Thats the point. I dont want what is going on to escalate to more deaths. Too many people have died. Too many by the hands of the US. Look up Winter Soldier. Listen to first hand tesimonies from soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan. If you dont call what they had to do and are still doing murder, then you need to reevaluation your life.
Is your fear rational, considering we're talking on a server based in US, owned by a US company? If the US is comparable to Nazi Germany, you'll have Storm troopers knocking your front gate down this night.
If that doesn't happen, then US is not comparable to Nazi Germany.
In either event, keep me posted about develpments.
You ignored the argument about Manhattan project. How come? Are you arguing that several foreign intelligence networks are conspiring to keep a huge US government secret, even when they have ample reasons to bust it wide open, or do you agree Manhattan project proves such an operation could not be kept secret?
And many people believe, including politicians that 9/11 was an inside job. But what can they do about it? Surely, nothing could stop the US from bombing Iraq after many protests around the world, weapon inspectors openly inspecting in the country, Iraq releasing all their data on their weapons program, former US inspectors saying that there were no WMD in Iraq. Yet still. Still. The US had to go and murder.
And Bush, your president, makes a joke about the missing WMD.
Really? Tell me, which book details US concentration camps in Mexico? This was your claim and please, let's hear where the evidence can be found?
Many people, including politicians, believe the Moon doesn't exist. Does that make it true?
In regards to Iraq and WMDs, if 9/11 was an inside job, how come Bush couldn't plant some in Iraq? According to you he knew there weren't any to be found, and had several times as much time to plant them. So how come none were found?
And who said Bush & CO didnt try to plant it? And who said Bush was behind 9/11? Bush could well just be another puppet, he is not part of the permanent power base in the US. But I do find it strange that his ALIBI was being in a school, and that he had to bring CHENEY to the 9/11 hearings, and they BOTH gave their testimonies in PRIVATE and without taking an OATH.
You gave me a list of countries and groups of people that "say hello" when asked to compare USA to Nazi Germany. Mexico was on that list. You need to show how and where was that comparable, and please, give me something meaningful.
Nazi Germany had a currency. Does that mean we should compare every state with a currency to Nazi Germany?
If I can find at least two politicians, no matter how obscure or how irrelevant, who say they believe the Moon doesn't exist, I will have fulfilled my criteria. Will you then agree with them that the the Moon indeed doesn't exist, or will you agree with me that your argument is completely meaningless?
I'm not an American, by the way. Never was, very likely never will be.
Hey, your argument was that if something is believed by politicians (by definition at least two), it is believable. Therefore if I know at least two politicians that believe the Moon doesn't exist, it is believable according to your argument.
If you're going to claim it is a stupid thing to believe the Moon doesn't exist, I'll agree with you. However, that also destroys your argument about 9/11.
My argument was not that its belivable i NEVER sed that and Wat was my Argument For 9/11 I NEVER HAD ONE! ur jus making things upand jus becuz to people belive a stupid argumnet does not at all mean that its beivable.
e.g. Half Of the people in Prison could say there inosent yet most of them would be jus lying.
Well go back to high school and open a history book.
Because you obviously had no understanding of what happened to Native Americans, what happened during Slavery, executions of prisoners, concentration camps for Japanese Americans, etc. Countries somewhere wronged... you got a nerve. Destroying a country is not wrong, it is genocide you coward.
Which history book and which authors? You mentioned two groups which were wronged, one seriously one much less so, by the US. Native Americans severely so, I don't dispute that, but voluntary or forced relocation to the east, with compensation, of Japanese Americans is in no way comparable to what happened to the victims of the Nazi regime.
I'm still waiting for evidence of US genodice of the Jews, which is what you claimed. Without that, your words are meaningless lies and slander.
I mean any story. 1 person came to Reichstag and used gasoline to set it on fire. He was a well known pyromaniac and a communist and openly hostile to the Nazi regime, but it is possible the Nazis somehow conspired with him.
Now, if there were 2 ... or 19 or 6,357,083 conspirators (the last number is a low end estimate for your version of events), then things are much more difficult.
Because it would take an extremely large effort to do so. The burden of proof is most certainly on you to show me they indeed are threatened. It's hardly an unreasonable demand, since you're effectively saying literary millions of people, many of them very well known, are living in fear and under constant surveillance.
With no proof for such things happening in an open society, we should conclude they indeed aren't happening. Can you prove they are or not?
This open society... you are referring to the US right?
Lets see how open it is...
NSA whistleblower Russell Tice was back on Keith Olbermanns MSNBC program Thursday evening to expand on his Wednesday revelations that the National Security Agency spied on individual U.S. journalists, entire U.S. news agencies as well as tens of thousands of other Americans.
Tice said on Wednesday that the NSA had vacuumed in all domestic communications of Americans, including, faxes, phone calls and network traffic.
Today Tice said that the spy agency also combined information from phone wiretaps with data that was mined from credit card and other financial records. He said information of tens of thousands of U.S. citizens is now in digital databases warehoused at the NSA.
This [information] could sit there for ten years and then potentially it marries up with something else and ten years from now they get put on a no-fly list and they, of course, wont have a clue why, Tice said.
The revelation that the NSA was involved in data mining isnt new. The infamous 2004 hospital showdown between then-White House Counsel Alberto Gonzales and Deputy Attorney General James Comey over the legality of a government surveillance program involved the data mining of massive databases, according to a 2007 New York Times article.
Risen told Olbermann that the NSA program to monitor journalists was likely intended to be used to ferret out and intimidate possible sources to have a chilling effect on potential whistleblowers in the government to make them realize that theres a Big Brother out there that will get them if they step out of line.
Let me get this straight. A US government employee went on a US network to tell the world his employer is spying on a few thousand people in his country, and nothing happened to him.
You're using this as evidence the US government is keeping millions of people in fear for their life of revealing that the same government murdered thousands of it's own people.
Right.
If anything what you cited is evidence the massive operation you proposed could not be kept secret.
"The Manhattan Project eventually employed more than 130,000 people and cost nearly US$2 billion ($22 billion in current value). It resulted in the creation of multiple production and research sites that operated in secret"
It was also breached by the Soviet intelligence early in the project by several independent spies which funneled information to Beria. If the Manhattan project shows us anything is that the US can't keep secrets very well, even when it is in obvious national interests to do so. Which isn't even the case in 9/11.
Unless you're going to argue that several foreign intelligence networks are in on it and conspiring to keep it a secret from the world, I don't really see where this is going.
The POW German scientists in British hands knew what the US had done when they heard the news of Hiroshima the day after the attacks. Keeping 9/11 a secret for so long (I mean 1 day, not 8 years) would be even more difficult. Unless you can show me how that could be done, all you have is impossible speculation.
LISTEN YOU FUCKING NO BRAIN IDIOTS AMERICA IS EVIL & THIS IS JUST THE PROOF OF IT !!! yaal who dont believe that the goverment did this shit are fucking morons Hitler did shit like this & now the history is just repeating !!!
What a HUGE fire. Gary171 gets it right by saying "why spend lots of money hiring expensive pros, just set fire to the building, watch it collapse neatly, and SAVE yourself some money" This whole thing is creepy. Silverstein needs to explain a few things. Isnt it weird that the only buildings to suffer complete destruction were WTC buildings?
Yes of course it collapses beacause of fire! Oh, wait a minute! Was it made of wood? Hmm probably not, so the awnser would be NO. IT CAN NOT COLLAPSE FROM THAT "INFERNO"!
What people don't notice is that there were no explosions in the fashion of a controlled demolition before its collapse.
Also, if the support were to give out all of a sudden, the building could still be in free fall. Kind of like when you stand on a popcan and someone nudges the can and all of a sudden your foot drops to the ground. BTW, I highly doubt NIST could precisely map out the timing of the collapse from just videos with all the dust clouds anyway.
The supports would not have failed simultaneously though. It would have toppled over - not fallen straight down. WTC 7 was supposed to be Rudy Giuliani's Y2K bunker...and it fell from fire? Please think about these things. I'm an engineer and I know physics. There was not enough potential energy to bring the building down like it did. That energy came from somewhere.
I don't know who Rudy is and I don't know Y2K causes building to come under attack.
Also, it doesn't matter if you're Einstein, neither of us know precisely what went on in that building though btown 48 from above made some compelling arguments against c.d.
Personally, I find this collapse to be nothing like a controlled demo. No explosions seen or heard from video. A c.d. wouldn't be this gentle.
There are squib explosions on the top right of the building. Also, a crack down the middle. The demolition theory is supported by the lease holder the WTC, visual evidence (such as explosions), and the molten debris (which suggest thermite was used). The debris was molten for 5 weeks.. Does that happen from a fire? Also, there is not any mention of wtc7 in the 911 commission report.. While there is NO evidence to support the theory it collapsed by fire... NON!
so you rather believe that a small fire brought down building of that size! lol oh wow! ok so its funny that nothing is fully explained that is being question that makes sense. about anything. The Gov.. And the media are just throwing a answer out there and people are sticking to it! what idiots!
The support would not give out all of a sudden as there are multiple supports. Larry Silverstein already admitted the building was pulled. Unless your in a state of denial, it's fairly simple for most people to connect the dots.
I just don't like to assume anything. There are no concrete proof of demolition at least not from this video. From all the demos I see, they all look much more violent and dusty than this. That is what I know.
In future, dont bother spending lots of money hiring expensive professionals to demolish unwanted buildings.....just set fire to the building yourself and watch it collapse neatly into its own footprint.....and save yourself some money.....sorted.
According to page 48 of NIST's final report, issued Nov. 20, 2008, "after a more detailed analysis" "a freefall descent over approximately eight stories at gravitational acceleration for approximately 2.25 seconds." NIST doesn't explain how the structural steel that supported those floors magically got out of the way so that they could fall as if nothing was below them, since the only possible explanation is controlled demolition. During freefall, all gravitational energy becomes motion.
Senator John Kerry was questioned concerning 9/11 during an appearance at Book People in Austin, Texas, filmed by Aaron Dooley. Kerry was asked about the officially unexplained collapse of WTC Building 7." Kerry responded:
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"I do know that that wall, I remember, was in danger and I think they made the decision based on the danger that it had in destroying other things-- that they did it in a controlled fashion." (Aaron Dykes; JonesReport; 2007)
there is a thing called nano thermite its a very advanced sort of explosive that was found in the dust of building 7,when i watch a skyscraper go down in 6.5 seconds i say what no way can a plane do that
If I accept the premise that the Government did take out WTC7 you would have to explain to me their motive for doing so.
The only one I have heard thus far is they had to destroy documents and such. Well, do you think on 9/12/01 anyone would have questioned the Gov't if they closed of WTC7 for a while? That's a more reasonable way to destroy documents than a high profile demolition in broad daylight.
I'm sorry but if that's all you've got I can't buy into this bullshit.
1) The billions of dollars that went into the war machine currently fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq...Remember where Chaney's investments are?
2) The freedom to enact legislation such as the Patriot Act while the country feels vulnerable. Normally Americans would have stood against such terrible legislation, but while under attack people cling to safety.
@TributeScape I hear what you are saying, but how can a steel structure fall at that speed? All four corners, straight and uniform. Come on man! Are you watching the same video? I cannot continue the conversation if you truly feel that this building fell naturally, all four corners, symetrical, fast with very little resistance. A fire caused that building to fall in that manner? What a perfect fire? What about the other 3 or four buildings closer to the actual twin towers that remain?
@zekfishathotmail The key is this: Who occupied the building? What was inside the building? Was this building related to the twin towers? Who owned the one, two or three buildings? Who got paid? Follow the money, investments and transfers etc. What laws were changed as a result of this attack? What have you gained from this attack? What have you lost ? Get the maintenance records of this building, any recent closures and upgrades to the building prior to the attacks. Keep communicating!
Now that NIST has acknowledged that WTC7 dropped at free fall for 2.25 seconds, or 25 meters, debunkers are ignoring the concept of instantaneous acceleration. They whine "but it took 14 sec to fall; it couldn't be free fall" They commit the same fallacy as the speeder who tells the cop "I couldn't have done 60mph; I only drove 30 miles in the last hour." Cops ticket for instantaneous speed, not average speed.
Explanations for NIST's finding: brittle beams or folding "knee joint" supports.
I know the Bush was a horrible president, but he wasn't an evil monster. Do you think that something as big as this would stay a secret? I don't think so at all. Someone with a soul would have come clean by now and his story would be all over the media.
I believe GWB was little more than the "stunt double" for the real president. I believe he was drunk most of the time, knew little, and cared even less. Watch the videos of GWB on 9/11/2001. NO ONE asked him what to do. No one expected any leadership from him. No one CARED what he thought, or if he thought anything at all. Andy Card whispered to him but did not wait for an answer or care if GWB had one. For all we know, Andy Card said "Sit there and shut up until we come get you."
Good question: why has it stayed secret. If exposure would merely ruin the Bush presidency it might be exposed. But there are other nations involved. Search for Carl Cameron. Search ISI + Pakistan. In 2002, I was called anti-Semitic for asking about ISI and PAKISTAN... The person who used this insult probably feared that some roads lead to Israel and instinctively attacked. Most who condemn 9/11 skeptics as anti-Semitic are acting on vague fears, not specific knowledge or instructions!
How could any fire bring down a building in such perfect symmetry. This is very conspiratorial smelling. No one will ever convince me that was a ramdom event caused by fire. I have watched many building lowerings by explosives and have never seen one that perfect. I will not go on to put blame anywhere but that being accidental no way in hell.
AlQuaeda is about the same as terrorism. Al Quaeda is a data base of names, and in arabic, translates into those two words. DATA BASE. We're being psyched with psychological warfare bullshit.
@vengencefrom1979 If strawman was in the room he would say that ALL 911 twoofer theories are STRAWMAN.
ctcole77 1 week ago
what about the damage caused from the wreckage of tower 1? started at floor 18 and took out a whole corner of the building from that point down? why are all the videos of wtc7 that are shown in support of the conspiricy theorists edited to cut out the collapse of the east penthouse(thus indicating the collapse of the interior structure)? something like 8 seconds before the shell of the building collapsed.the fact that these videos have been edited in this way must surely give some concern?
lewismclinton 1 week ago
0:29 there are WAY more SEVERE fires on the other side. Something most 9/11 truthers refuse to discuss. Not to mention Building 7's transfer load design. DYLAN AVERY HAS WOKEN UP AND NO LONGER USES THE TERM INSIDE JOB! He was the one who made Loose Change.
ComedyStanCam 2 months ago
1:37 "What do you think" We think your video is just bullshit. It was typical edited truther lies. The top portion of Windsor tower that was steel collapsed (it is seen in your vid) the concrete structure is what remained. Concrete is different from steel. Also you show only part of the WTC7 collapse you fail to show the damaged side and the complete collapse. This is just another load of typical truther bullshit you fucking idiot.
12weasel100 3 months ago
"They made the decision to pull, and we watched the building collapse." - There you go. I mean, what more do you want???
Stillwater900 3 months ago
So if it was a controlled demolition, Why?
Stayontargetprod 4 months ago
looks to me like wtc 7 was the final target for 9/11, and flight 93. it was already wired to go and had to be taken out no matter what lest investigators find the thermite charges.
vengencefrom1979 4 months ago
@vengencefrom1979 You don't take down buildings with thermite dude. A silly story before its even out of the gate. Also.. welding torches produce the exact same little spherical iron balls.
I find it hard to believe some giant conspiracy is afoot when Ashely Banfield of CNN is on air live stating.. "7 is the next building to come down"
Ashley is now a psychic is she?
She knew because the entire FDNY knew.
These are all ridiculously silly stories.
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Born2Flesh 4 months ago
Question 1: It collapsed like it's been demolished because of the damage to middle columns.
Question 2: because 2 buildings collapsed before that. Psychologically, everybody was fearful, devastated, shocked.
Question 3: don't know
Question4: he was talking about firefighters
Question 5: yes, fire can do that.
meylisINTP 4 months ago
Is it just me or did the mechanical penthouse collapse first? is that what collapsed first? because if it did why would the most important and structuraly reinforced part of the building go first? tell me what this "penthouse was"
realistromeo 5 months ago
I am getting sick of these B7 videos. All of you "TM" people are a google search away from an education. But i will save you the time.
B7 was entirely known about by the FDNY. The chief (Dan Nigro...look it up!!) stood in front of it when it fell. Did not hear a sound of any charges. Nor did anyone say anything about that until all this crap on YT raised its ugly paranoid head. Nor was anything seen or found in the pile afterward.
The chief calls the conspiracy stuff nonsense
roquefortfiles 6 months ago
@roquefortfiles explain why larry silverstein says they made DECISION TO PULL IT... i mean we have nanothermite proof and CONFESSION that they pulled it... what else do u need
zelenko2 3 months ago
@zelenko2 LOL!! a completely misrepresented quote. And used constantly to push this idea of a CD. Couldn't be further from the truth. What Silverstein is referring to is FDNY Chief Dan Nigro's decision to..."Pull his men out of it so nobody else got killed in another collapse" . Go look it up. They BOTH even clarify this statement. btw.. There is no CD tech on the planet who would EVER consider using Thermite for a CD. Wouldn't happen. 7 was fully expected to collapse. Silly stories.
roquefortfiles 3 months ago
Inside Job
Born2Flesh 9 months ago
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iBlindGame 10 months ago
I think they demolished the building so something even worse would not happen because of the fire. Anyone agree?
marvelfannumber1 1 year ago
@marvelfannumber1 Right.. while people were IN the building? Let me tell you one thing then, it takes weeks, or months of preparations to 'demolish'..as you say, the building, not just hours to plant explosives and take it out the same day as the attacks.. and especially who would be planting demolition-explosives on a building that is on FIRE?
Bet10Bux 1 year ago
@Bet10Bux
Yeah i quess past me was a little stupid.
marvelfannumber1 1 year ago
@Bet10Bux Right.. while people were IN the building? Let me tell you one thing then, it takes weeks, or months of preparations to 'demolish'..
Do you think they planned this over night? Also ,you can paint thermite,what would be so obvious ablout people painting offices?Thonk outside the bun oh brainwashed one.
koolbossjock 11 months ago
@koolbossjock you're calling people brainwashed? yeah, brainwashed people search 9/11 conspiracy videos on youtube and comment below... So your claim is that some fires in the building demolished the whole building -not just one column- and put it on its blueprints in SECONDS!! then why care to pay demolisher teams and use explosives to take down buildings like this? explain that?
Nihatcangorgun 5 months ago
Fire alone will not bring steel to a plastic state; pure oxygen ie oxy-acetylene is required.
crocfme 1 year ago 2
mossad did it
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hoxran 1 year ago
Hey dipshit I Live on greenwich ST in lower manhattan,, we watched fdny wire the building with the feds.it was imploded deliberatley.. The buildin was fucked up« grow the fuck up.. Accept it for what it is.get a life..
chef197 1 year ago
google this ....debunking 9/11 wtc7.
there was a hole or gash from the 18th floor to the ground taking a corner right out from under building seven cause by the falling towers, google above if you want to know the truth for the sane people who don't think elvis was flying one of the planes and jimmi hendrix pressed a button to demolish wtc7
rneoman 1 year ago
@rneoman This is the dumbest comment I've ever read. Go back to sleep america, everything has been explained. Go back to sleep.
debunkingdebunkers 1 year ago
@debunkingdebunkers dumbest coment really? facts are facts. the conspirosy theorys have the dumb comments and anyone who agrees with them is really not worth replying to
rneoman 1 year ago
Maybe the Mexicans built WTC 7..hahahaha
vernb57 1 year ago
Yup. Either it was demolished or it was extremely poorly designed. Why wouldn't FEMA (they did investigate it after all) just say that it was demolished instead of saying that it collapsed because of small fires?
ericrocksabeard 1 year ago
So, the brilliant conspirators, were CLEVER and sneaky enough to wire up a massive building with large quantities of explosives, undetected; but at the same time, STUPID enough to spend the time to do it so "well" that it would actually be recognised as a controlled demolition?
devinepaul 1 year ago
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hey stupid ass anarchist, building 7 was imploded by the NYFD, ASSHOLE, I live in NYC and alot of actually watch the fire department wire the building-- fear mongerer. Because the building sustained alot of collateral damage..shove your conspiracy up your ass and i wish you was here. keep it thorough wit cha......another video tough guy, fuckin clown
chef197 1 year ago
@chef197 Then why won't they just say that?
qrfuinsdfoguisdfg11 1 year ago 14
@chef197 thats totally shit they couldent know that the wtc 7 would be on fire and it takes WEEKS to wire a building of that size and that where other building closer thta sustained more collateral damage which didnt collapsed anyone who belive tha official story is so blind its ridicoulous..
JoeLind6666 1 year ago
@chef197
hey dip shit it would take weeks for a demolition crew to wire a building this size for demolition and your trying to tell us it was done in a few hours, pull your head out of your ass. 9-11 = inside job wake up and smell the coffee
beakie74 1 year ago
@chef197 i find it hard to believe that an asshole like you actually exists.
vengencefrom1979 4 months ago
@chef197 Here's what I've been saying: (1) WTC7 was heavily damaged; (2) A decision was made by Silverstein to pull down WTC7 because it could not possibly be repaired (and I'm sure insurance money was a consideration); (3) WTC7 was quickly wired for demolition and since it was already badly damaged, they only had to wire certain parts of it in order to make it come down on its' own foot print; (4) WTC7 comes down by controlled demolition.
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@chef197 If you don't know what the Fuck you're talking about, Shut the Fuck up! Go back to your video games kiddo and let the adults converse.
ThePeoplesuk 2 months ago
You are talking to people who attended american public schools. Your attempts to bring physics, logic and common sense into the dicussion are doomed to fail
ekeyra 1 year ago
The world trade center buildings were demo'ed. Fire, bombs, earthquakes, missiles, ect, none of that ever causes buildings to fall perfectly straight down. The only thing that causes that is percise well planned demo charges.
this isn't even a half way good lie by the goverment, but they knew you'd let them get away with it. Physics are the proof that the planes did not bring down the towers. Just do a little research and you'll see.
pjwd07 1 year ago
@pjwd07 does GRAVITY make a building fall straight down !?!?!?!!??!
LOLCATS3111 1 year ago
@LOLCATS3111 only if the supports are taken out in a percise well planned manner. Neither fire ,earthquakes, or even lots of bombs ever causes this. This is only caused by percise, controlled blasts. Its basic physics.
pjwd07 1 year ago
@pjwd07 so what does a building that falls from structural failure look like .... how does it look different then a CD ???
LOLCATS3111 1 year ago
@LOLCATS3111 Extremely rare to happen in the first place. But if you took out a chunk from the bottom, it would fall on its side like a tree. The twin towers, at best, would have the top sections fall off to the side, just like chopping a tree in the middle. The building itself is more then sturdy enough to not completely flatten, and btw, the buildings fell at terminal velocity, that means as fast as gravity can pull them down. There's no resistence from the structure at all as they fall.
pjwd07 1 year ago
@pjwd07 TREES fall to their side because they are SOLID !!!!! hi -rise structures like the WTC are 90% OPEN SPACE !!!!!
there was MORE then enough energy in WTC buildings to flatten the structure
and there was resistance from the structure as they fell !!!!
LOLCATS3111 1 year ago
@LOLCATS3111 You obvisouly don't understand the physics involved here. Open space does not mean weak. You honestly think buildings are flimsy and weak? Why don't they ever pan cake? They never do, unless the supports are percisely removed via demo. Thats just a fact, sorry. And the time it takes something to fall 1254 feet(the height of the twin towers) is about 8 seconds. It took about 9 seconds for buildings to come completely down. Thats free fall give or take 1 second. Thats not resistence
pjwd07 1 year ago
@LOLCATS3111 You should do some research. Try and find other buildings that perfectly pan cake via fire(or any non demo means). Find one example. Serisouly, try and find one. Here's a hint, you won't. There hasn't been a single building in the last 100 years that pan caked from fire, but have a look for your self. Your not aruging with me, your arguing with science and physics. If you really care though, you should look into it. I did a fair amount of research on this. You should too.
pjwd07 1 year ago
@pjwd07 better YET , find us three hi -rise buildings in history where the sprinkler systems failed and the fire depratment did not attempt to put the fires out and the buildings DIDN'T COLLAPSE
LOLCATS3111 1 year ago
@LOLCATS3111
I guess youve never heard phone calls from wtc have you?
People reported the sprinklers were working above the impact zone and one in particular reported ankle deep water.
Its on here computer tv called channel4 on demand and called phone calls from the twin towers if you can be bothered to check anything factual before instantly launching into blind denial
Keep your blindfold on!
Along with the tinfoil hat and earmuffs.
PS try removing your head from your ass too .
zenoist2 1 year ago
@zenoist2 ~ Yeah MORON ankle deep water from the broken pipes that were destroyed by the plane impacts
LOLCATS3111 1 year ago
@LOLCATS3111 i guess thats why they said the sprinklers worked then.
DUH!
I dont know if you realise it but water flows down
can you grasp that?
The people reporting ankle deep water were ABOVE the impact zone.
Ok put 2 and 2 together.
And now your lost eh?
You come up with some nonsenical answer every time. Yopu debunkers are totally pathetic and clutch at ANYTHING if it makes the official crap somehow true.
Sorry but the official crap is just that.
TOTAL CRAP.
zenoist2 1 year ago
@zenoist2 ~ MORON a sprinkler system is a closed system a broken line ANYWHERE will cause the system to completely drain out - the sprinkler system in the WTC DID NOT WORK since it was destroyed by the plane impacts
LOLCATS3111 1 year ago
@LOLCATS3111 You dont get this at all do you?
If eyewitnesses report the sprinkler system worked, then it might well have worked..
GOT IT? is it so hard to understand?
Dismissing eyewitness accounts out of hand because it doesnt fit the official theory and not even researching it is getting to be a very old story by now and more and more people are realizing theres a lot of unanswered questions.
zenoist2 1 year ago
@zenoist2 ~ well then please post WHO said the sprinkler system worked
LOLCATS3111 1 year ago
@LOLCATS3111 it was on a tv docu which you obviously would prefer not to exist with actual phone calls.
easily researchable its on internet channel4 or channel4 on demand.
Documentary called phone calls from the twin towers
Just type 9/11 and off you go.
Unlike you I do actually have sources I can quote. i dont make wild accusations or leap rabidly to deny one thing or another.
I suggest you look it up.
No doubt youll deny all knowledge of it. its the truth though.
zenoist2 1 year ago
@zenoist2 ~ well if its so easy to find POST IT ..... all the calls I have heard from above the impact zone is from people screaming that it was hard to breath and that it was hot ......... NOTHING ABOUT ANKLE DEEP WATER
LOLCATS3111 1 year ago
@LOLCATS3111 lol
qrfuinsdfoguisdfg11 1 year ago
@LOLCATS3111 so why does all this open space create this incredible weight and downward force?
Why arent the floors pancaked? why do they get pulverized to dust?
Why doesnt the top that had no weight on it also get pulverized?
Why doesnt the core column hold up the slightest bit?
Why does the building collapse so fast?
Why is the official story a total load of crap?
zenoist2 1 year ago
A very poor peice of engineering if you ask me. Take out one critical beam and the whole thing collapses at free fall.
Thats the official story anyway.
zenoist2 1 year ago 2
@zenoist2 Insurance fraud!!!!!!
qrfuinsdfoguisdfg11 1 year ago 6
@qrfuinsdfoguisdfg11 And maybe the insurance company is retarded, unlike Truther geniuses
linghun 11 months ago
"In contrast, here are the fires that brought down WTC7"
*shows north side*
Me: *facepalm*
justforflag2 1 year ago
@justforflag2 Please link to the south side, east side, or west side video. Please link to anything that shows any sort of fire besides that included in the video.
qrfuinsdfoguisdfg11 1 year ago
@qrfuinsdfoguisdfg11
Here you go: /watch?v=51FIPMlrFf4
In addition, you can see a huge amount of smoke coming from the south side in almost every video, and also, there has been damage recorded on the south side, so much that the fire progressed all the way to the north.
justforflag2 1 year ago
@justforflag2 If the south side had enough damage to bring down the building then it would not have fallen down, it would have fallen over.
qrfuinsdfoguisdfg11 1 year ago
@qrfuinsdfoguisdfg11
Well, actually, no.
The building didn't fall as one piece - instead, the floors fell one on top of the other. First, the east penthouse. Then, the west. Third came the penthouses crushing the floors on which they fell, and with less resistance, mind you, since the fire had weakened the support. Therefore, you expect the building not to fall as one piece, but as multiple floors one on top of the other.
justforflag2 1 year ago
@justforflag2 It's just to clean. The top floor wouldn't have fallen first. IF the structure was weakened due to fire then the part that should have collapsed first was the bottom, fire ridden floors of the south side. They would have had the most weight on them and the weakest support. We did not see the south collapse before the north. We saw a coordinated collapse, where the top of the building fell into the middle which fell into the bottom. It didn't fall, it imploded.
qrfuinsdfoguisdfg11 1 year ago
@qrfuinsdfoguisdfg11
Yes, that would have happened if the whole building was damaged evenly, unlike what happened. The most damage was dealt to the roof, and in part to the south face. So, the fires started from the top floors, and then went down.
justforflag2 1 year ago
that colapse looks to clean, I can imagine something like that from a demolition specialist. I mean, what are the probabilities of see that in a disaster event.
olvvvvlo 1 year ago
Why Russians official statement about 9/11 is that it was a terrorist attack made by al qaeda organization which is supported by taliban regime? Were Russian secret service/spies drinking vodka and buying the lies from US? or meybe some people love mysteries and believing in conspiracies?
nadoeloiskat 1 year ago
Why Russians official statement about 9/11 is that it was a terrorist attack made by al qaeda organization which is supported by taliban regime? Were Russian secret service/spies drinking vodka and buying the lies from US? or meybe some people love mysteries and believing in conspiracies?
nadoeloiskat 1 year ago
Those who placed the timed explosives were professional who really knew what they were doing. I wonder how many people worked on this and how long it took. We do know that there were periodic security shutdowns for at least weeks prior to 9/11.
JohnnyFaroe 1 year ago
From 0:53-0:55 That's the demolition crew. Can we get some names of these guys? Could that one guy that spots the camera then turns his face away quickly be Andreas StraussMeyer? These guys definitely look guilty to me.
GunClingingPalin 1 year ago
@GunClingingPalin
yup, never noticed that, thanks for sharing. Yeah what the hell is he looking away from the camera like that for? Hiding his face. Too late buddy we see you!
Origin305 1 year ago
Could Fire do this??? HELL NO
Origin305 1 year ago
the government only puts out information on what they want you to hear
thetalentedmrman 1 year ago
One answer. Mossad of Israel.
shasha1873 1 year ago
why can'tpeople just let this whole conspiricy go, what happened happened and no argument will change that. so just get on with your lives like me and most of the people i know already did
BSfanboy113 2 years ago
That's what "they" want everyone to do, that's why.
Jeez!
Zoth77 2 years ago
ok but it doesn't matter if you "bust the case wide open" it already happened and we can't change or stop it
BSfanboy113 2 years ago
@BSfanboy113
hey no wonder your name is bsfanboy because u love government bs
simasa2 1 year ago
that's not what i said. i actually hate the us government, y'know obvious reasons, but people usually make a big deal of it only once a year, the day it happened, so if they're only going to acknolage it on the day it happened then why not forget about it all together. like i said before it already happened there's nothing we can do to stop it now
BSfanboy113 1 year ago
@BSfanboy113 Because if we just let it go then it can, and will, happen again. And again. And again.
qrfuinsdfoguisdfg11 1 year ago
All the buildings fell in perfect demolition style. Crashes, burns would leave uneven damage and uneven collapses. All these buildings dropped almost flawlessly into their own footprints.
BaronVonLichtenstein 2 years ago
what in the hell do you know about this? Every building that size has so much stored kentic enegry that the only way for them to fall is stright down. Listen if you dont know about something, ask questions. Dont state things as facts, when you have no idea
cut3wood 1 year ago
@cut3wood
dude the whole pupose steel columns is to provide resistence. It doesnt matter how much kinetic energy bs you are blabbering about, those buildings should still be standing there today if it was not for controled demolishin. This is so stupid. It just goes to show what our education system is really worth.
Origin305 1 year ago
@Origin305 It goes to show you just how many people can be told that "it's the muffler bearing" and will believe it. They just don't have clue 1 about most things like this in life.
GunClingingPalin 1 year ago
@cut3wood
BTW you want to see more evidence? Look up the video"
"Seven is exploding"
Its even better cause you get to hear the explosions for yourself.
Origin305 1 year ago
The buildings were demolished with explosives. The symetrical collapse and the freefall speed of many of the floors are proof that the governmets official story is false. Over 900 Architects and engineers know this and have signed a petition for a new investigation for 9/11.
punctuaIbird 2 years ago
Wait, it was the Juggernought, right? That was supposed to reach a magical number of 1000 in September 2008?
0,05% of experts (including software engineers and landscape engineers, among others) agree the official story is impossible. This is an absolutely vast number!
The remaining 99,95% agree with the official story, but they are obviously controlled and live in fear.
You have me convinced, bro...
McHrozni 2 years ago
Duh....
Dont you know what a whistleblower is?
How can it be that one person out of a large organization is willing to stick their neck out when no one else DARES in the face of OBVIOUS wrong doing?
Thats right, the majority do not want to get involved! Regardless if they KNOW they are taking part in illegal activities.
"I was only following orders..." "I didnt know what was going on in those camps"
Dont be ignorant. And look at the evidence the few and the brave have provided
FoosMasoos 2 years ago
That's a quite common allegatin I keep hearing. That the 99.95% of experts are living in fear for their lives, their careers and so on and the 0.05% (and I'm being generus) are the few, the brave, who fight the system.
If this is all you look at, it sounds almost possible.
What no one has been able to tell me so far is how come that none of these brave souls were ever threatend, or even killed. How come you're able to read all these books and see documentaries, yet their authors live in peace?
McHrozni 2 years ago
Well how do you know if these people live in peace?
Because the news didnt report it?
How do you know they are not being followed, or their conversations being recorded?
You dont know what is going on in people's daily lives.
You probably dont know how many death threats or even attempts, leaders get weekly, monthly or even daily.
How can you tell when an accident is not a murder?
Cant you consider these things yourself?
FoosMasoos 2 years ago
Are you saying nobody has ever been assassinated?
Nobody has never been harassed or silenced by governments?
How did Nazi Germany come to power? Instantly? And how many of their citizens had to be killed for it to happen? A lot? A little?
I mean we have history to show us these things happen. And they happen all the time.
The point is, sure not all whistleblowers get hurt, but you dont know how many whistleblowers did!
FoosMasoos 2 years ago
I don't see how comparing the US government to Nazis is a good argument. Most of the books and documentaries you mentioned were made in the US, and are available to US customers via US publishers, are paid through accounts in US banks, and no one, not the customers and not anyone else in the chain is punished as a result.
That only shows that making comparisons with the Nazis weakens your case. A state like that would be able to silence such critics easily.
McHrozni 2 years ago
Once in place!
Like I said, how long did it take, and what did it take for Nazi germany to rise from one of the most progressive countries of that time?
Do you know?
FoosMasoos 2 years ago
Depending on when you start counting the rise, it could be anywhere between 12 years to a few weeks.
German empire being one of the most progressive countries of that time? Hardly. Sure, they were reformed into the Weimar republic, but unless you're going to argue that a few years of the republic completely and utterly changed the way people thought and behaved, you might as well stop trying to debate anyone for the rest of your life.
McHrozni 2 years ago
Bzzz wrong answer:
"The Reichstag fire (German: Der Reichstagsbrand) was an arson attack on the Reichstag building in Berlin on 27 February 1933. The event is seen as pivotal in the establishment of Nazi Germany."
There is your 911
FoosMasoos 2 years ago
The day after the fire, Hitler asked for and received from President Hindenburg the Reichstag Fire Decree, signed into law by Hindenburg using Article 48 of the Weimar Constitution. The Reichstag Fire Decree suspended most civil liberties in... Hitler, after having obtained his emergency powers, announced that it was the start of a Communist plot to take over Germany. This sent the Germans into a panic and isolated the Communists further among the civilians;
FoosMasoos 2 years ago
Yes, comparing a Reichstag fire to 9/11 makes so much sense. In no version of Reichstag fire is more than one conspirator doing the dirty job.
In the case of 9/11, it would require anywhere from hundreds to millions. Your version requires the latter number.
Secondly, we have ample evidence the US is nowhere near as oppressive as Nazi Germany. You being alive is proof enough of that. Therefore comparing the two is at the very least, meaningless if not harmful to your argument.
McHrozni 2 years ago
"US is nowhere near as oppressive as Nazi Germany."
Iraq, Vietnam, Iran, Panama, Korea, The Philippines, Columbia, Mexico, Dominican Republic, Iran, Libya, Haiti, Hawaii, Native Americans, Blacks, Jews, Irish, Japanese Americans, all say Hello.
FoosMasoos 2 years ago
You'll need to put up more than a list of countries and natinalities that were somewhere wronged by the US. I want to see evidence of mass progroms organized by the US, mass executions, forced mass expulsions based only on nationality with seisure of all property, eugenics, arrest, torture and execution of dissidents, gas chambers, genocide and more in all states you mentioned, as well as explanation how you're able to say this on a US server without fear.
I'm waiting.
McHrozni 2 years ago
Who says Im not worried or fear?
I wouldnt be making a big deal about it if I wasnt.
Thats the point. I dont want what is going on to escalate to more deaths. Too many people have died. Too many by the hands of the US. Look up Winter Soldier. Listen to first hand tesimonies from soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan. If you dont call what they had to do and are still doing murder, then you need to reevaluation your life.
FoosMasoos 2 years ago
Is your fear rational, considering we're talking on a server based in US, owned by a US company? If the US is comparable to Nazi Germany, you'll have Storm troopers knocking your front gate down this night.
If that doesn't happen, then US is not comparable to Nazi Germany.
In either event, keep me posted about develpments.
McHrozni 2 years ago
You ignored the argument about Manhattan project. How come? Are you arguing that several foreign intelligence networks are conspiring to keep a huge US government secret, even when they have ample reasons to bust it wide open, or do you agree Manhattan project proves such an operation could not be kept secret?
McHrozni 2 years ago
No I answered it.
And many people believe, including politicians that 9/11 was an inside job. But what can they do about it? Surely, nothing could stop the US from bombing Iraq after many protests around the world, weapon inspectors openly inspecting in the country, Iraq releasing all their data on their weapons program, former US inspectors saying that there were no WMD in Iraq. Yet still. Still. The US had to go and murder.
And Bush, your president, makes a joke about the missing WMD.
FoosMasoos 2 years ago
Really? Tell me, which book details US concentration camps in Mexico? This was your claim and please, let's hear where the evidence can be found?
Many people, including politicians, believe the Moon doesn't exist. Does that make it true?
In regards to Iraq and WMDs, if 9/11 was an inside job, how come Bush couldn't plant some in Iraq? According to you he knew there weren't any to be found, and had several times as much time to plant them. So how come none were found?
McHrozni 2 years ago
What are you babbling about?
I think your confusing two different conversations.
I said Japanese Americans, not Mexican. Please tell me you can tell the difference!
FoosMasoos 2 years ago
And who said Bush & CO didnt try to plant it? And who said Bush was behind 9/11? Bush could well just be another puppet, he is not part of the permanent power base in the US. But I do find it strange that his ALIBI was being in a school, and that he had to bring CHENEY to the 9/11 hearings, and they BOTH gave their testimonies in PRIVATE and without taking an OATH.
FoosMasoos 2 years ago
Tried and failed, but covered up his tracks to the point of not a whisper came out? Not tried again? Failed to plant WMDs but pulled off 9/11?
Sorry, none of these make any sense whatsoever.
Secondly, it doesn't really matter. If they pulled off 9/11, they would be able to plant WMDs in Iraq easily. Why didn't they do it?
Obviously you think Bush and invasion of Iraq factor in somehow in a major way here, therefore you need to account for this discrepancy. Please do so.
McHrozni 2 years ago
test
McHrozni 2 years ago
I can, but you apparently can't.
You gave me a list of countries and groups of people that "say hello" when asked to compare USA to Nazi Germany. Mexico was on that list. You need to show how and where was that comparable, and please, give me something meaningful.
Nazi Germany had a currency. Does that mean we should compare every state with a currency to Nazi Germany?
McHrozni 2 years ago
seriously ur telling me poloticians belive the moon doesnt exist.... know wonder americas governtment is so fucked up
gumbum360 2 years ago
If I can find at least two politicians, no matter how obscure or how irrelevant, who say they believe the Moon doesn't exist, I will have fulfilled my criteria. Will you then agree with them that the the Moon indeed doesn't exist, or will you agree with me that your argument is completely meaningless?
I'm not an American, by the way. Never was, very likely never will be.
McHrozni 2 years ago
i never sed u wer american did i ...?
and obivously the moon exists that has to be the most stupid argument ever jus above he holocaust never happening..
.. im the one with a meaningless argument ? yet ur on about the moon not exisitng.
gumbum360 2 years ago
Hey, your argument was that if something is believed by politicians (by definition at least two), it is believable. Therefore if I know at least two politicians that believe the Moon doesn't exist, it is believable according to your argument.
If you're going to claim it is a stupid thing to believe the Moon doesn't exist, I'll agree with you. However, that also destroys your argument about 9/11.
McHrozni 2 years ago
My argument was not that its belivable i NEVER sed that and Wat was my Argument For 9/11 I NEVER HAD ONE! ur jus making things upand jus becuz to people belive a stupid argumnet does not at all mean that its beivable.
e.g. Half Of the people in Prison could say there inosent yet most of them would be jus lying.
gumbum360 2 years ago
Ah, I see. You were responding to a reply I made to someone else. These things happen.
McHrozni 2 years ago
well we had a good old debate. didnt we old bean?
gumbum360 2 years ago
You want to see all those programs listed?
Well go back to high school and open a history book.
Because you obviously had no understanding of what happened to Native Americans, what happened during Slavery, executions of prisoners, concentration camps for Japanese Americans, etc. Countries somewhere wronged... you got a nerve. Destroying a country is not wrong, it is genocide you coward.
FoosMasoos 2 years ago
Which history book and which authors? You mentioned two groups which were wronged, one seriously one much less so, by the US. Native Americans severely so, I don't dispute that, but voluntary or forced relocation to the east, with compensation, of Japanese Americans is in no way comparable to what happened to the victims of the Nazi regime.
I'm still waiting for evidence of US genodice of the Jews, which is what you claimed. Without that, your words are meaningless lies and slander.
McHrozni 2 years ago
"In no version of Reichstag fire is more than one conspirator doing the dirty job."
You mean the "official" story told by the Nazi's?
Hello! Hitler and his cronies were behind it.
FoosMasoos 2 years ago
I mean any story. 1 person came to Reichstag and used gasoline to set it on fire. He was a well known pyromaniac and a communist and openly hostile to the Nazi regime, but it is possible the Nazis somehow conspired with him.
Now, if there were 2 ... or 19 or 6,357,083 conspirators (the last number is a low end estimate for your version of events), then things are much more difficult.
McHrozni 2 years ago
Because it would take an extremely large effort to do so. The burden of proof is most certainly on you to show me they indeed are threatened. It's hardly an unreasonable demand, since you're effectively saying literary millions of people, many of them very well known, are living in fear and under constant surveillance.
With no proof for such things happening in an open society, we should conclude they indeed aren't happening. Can you prove they are or not?
McHrozni 2 years ago
This open society... you are referring to the US right?
Lets see how open it is...
NSA whistleblower Russell Tice was back on Keith Olbermanns MSNBC program Thursday evening to expand on his Wednesday revelations that the National Security Agency spied on individual U.S. journalists, entire U.S. news agencies as well as tens of thousands of other Americans.
FoosMasoos 2 years ago
Tice said on Wednesday that the NSA had vacuumed in all domestic communications of Americans, including, faxes, phone calls and network traffic.
Today Tice said that the spy agency also combined information from phone wiretaps with data that was mined from credit card and other financial records. He said information of tens of thousands of U.S. citizens is now in digital databases warehoused at the NSA.
FoosMasoos 2 years ago
This [information] could sit there for ten years and then potentially it marries up with something else and ten years from now they get put on a no-fly list and they, of course, wont have a clue why, Tice said.
FoosMasoos 2 years ago
The revelation that the NSA was involved in data mining isnt new. The infamous 2004 hospital showdown between then-White House Counsel Alberto Gonzales and Deputy Attorney General James Comey over the legality of a government surveillance program involved the data mining of massive databases, according to a 2007 New York Times article.
FoosMasoos 2 years ago
Risen told Olbermann that the NSA program to monitor journalists was likely intended to be used to ferret out and intimidate possible sources to have a chilling effect on potential whistleblowers in the government to make them realize that theres a Big Brother out there that will get them if they step out of line.
FoosMasoos 2 years ago
Let me get this straight. A US government employee went on a US network to tell the world his employer is spying on a few thousand people in his country, and nothing happened to him.
You're using this as evidence the US government is keeping millions of people in fear for their life of revealing that the same government murdered thousands of it's own people.
Right.
If anything what you cited is evidence the massive operation you proposed could not be kept secret.
McHrozni 2 years ago
Buzz wrong answer.
Ever heard about the atomic bomb?
"The Manhattan Project eventually employed more than 130,000 people and cost nearly US$2 billion ($22 billion in current value). It resulted in the creation of multiple production and research sites that operated in secret"
FoosMasoos 2 years ago
It was also breached by the Soviet intelligence early in the project by several independent spies which funneled information to Beria. If the Manhattan project shows us anything is that the US can't keep secrets very well, even when it is in obvious national interests to do so. Which isn't even the case in 9/11.
McHrozni 2 years ago
It shows that there were possibly spies, but did the general population know? No.
FoosMasoos 2 years ago
Unless you're going to argue that several foreign intelligence networks are in on it and conspiring to keep it a secret from the world, I don't really see where this is going.
The POW German scientists in British hands knew what the US had done when they heard the news of Hiroshima the day after the attacks. Keeping 9/11 a secret for so long (I mean 1 day, not 8 years) would be even more difficult. Unless you can show me how that could be done, all you have is impossible speculation.
McHrozni 2 years ago
The guy who made this video has a really shallow understanding of most things. Moronic.
philritter21 2 years ago
That's a very constructive reply. I'm thankful you pointed out all the errors.
aarongadberry 2 years ago
LISTEN YOU FUCKING NO BRAIN IDIOTS AMERICA IS EVIL & THIS IS JUST THE PROOF OF IT !!! yaal who dont believe that the goverment did this shit are fucking morons Hitler did shit like this & now the history is just repeating !!!
DarkVaiZzard 2 years ago
I know this video proofs nothing. It even tries to make it seem like fire fighters are conspirators? Wtf? Grow up.
sh4rpsh0t33 2 years ago
What a HUGE fire. Gary171 gets it right by saying "why spend lots of money hiring expensive pros, just set fire to the building, watch it collapse neatly, and SAVE yourself some money" This whole thing is creepy. Silverstein needs to explain a few things. Isnt it weird that the only buildings to suffer complete destruction were WTC buildings?
vealshanker 2 years ago
Google: Patriots Question 9/11:
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180+ Senior military, intelligence service, law enforcement and government officials question the official story.
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uncledevo 2 years ago 4
Yes of course it collapses beacause of fire! Oh, wait a minute! Was it made of wood? Hmm probably not, so the awnser would be NO. IT CAN NOT COLLAPSE FROM THAT "INFERNO"!
Nice vid :)
ervastian 2 years ago
What people don't notice is that there were no explosions in the fashion of a controlled demolition before its collapse.
Also, if the support were to give out all of a sudden, the building could still be in free fall. Kind of like when you stand on a popcan and someone nudges the can and all of a sudden your foot drops to the ground. BTW, I highly doubt NIST could precisely map out the timing of the collapse from just videos with all the dust clouds anyway.
bananian 2 years ago
The supports would not have failed simultaneously though. It would have toppled over - not fallen straight down. WTC 7 was supposed to be Rudy Giuliani's Y2K bunker...and it fell from fire? Please think about these things. I'm an engineer and I know physics. There was not enough potential energy to bring the building down like it did. That energy came from somewhere.
satch1979 2 years ago
I don't know who Rudy is and I don't know Y2K causes building to come under attack.
Also, it doesn't matter if you're Einstein, neither of us know precisely what went on in that building though btown 48 from above made some compelling arguments against c.d.
Personally, I find this collapse to be nothing like a controlled demo. No explosions seen or heard from video. A c.d. wouldn't be this gentle.
bananian 2 years ago
There are squib explosions on the top right of the building. Also, a crack down the middle. The demolition theory is supported by the lease holder the WTC, visual evidence (such as explosions), and the molten debris (which suggest thermite was used). The debris was molten for 5 weeks.. Does that happen from a fire? Also, there is not any mention of wtc7 in the 911 commission report.. While there is NO evidence to support the theory it collapsed by fire... NON!
caesar3693 2 years ago
so you rather believe that a small fire brought down building of that size! lol oh wow! ok so its funny that nothing is fully explained that is being question that makes sense. about anything. The Gov.. And the media are just throwing a answer out there and people are sticking to it! what idiots!
youngsix6 2 years ago
The support would not give out all of a sudden as there are multiple supports. Larry Silverstein already admitted the building was pulled. Unless your in a state of denial, it's fairly simple for most people to connect the dots.
BeeRad277 2 years ago
I just don't like to assume anything. There are no concrete proof of demolition at least not from this video. From all the demos I see, they all look much more violent and dusty than this. That is what I know.
bananian 2 years ago
In future, dont bother spending lots of money hiring expensive professionals to demolish unwanted buildings.....just set fire to the building yourself and watch it collapse neatly into its own footprint.....and save yourself some money.....sorted.
GARY171064 2 years ago 5
According to page 48 of NIST's final report, issued Nov. 20, 2008, "after a more detailed analysis" "a freefall descent over approximately eight stories at gravitational acceleration for approximately 2.25 seconds." NIST doesn't explain how the structural steel that supported those floors magically got out of the way so that they could fall as if nothing was below them, since the only possible explanation is controlled demolition. During freefall, all gravitational energy becomes motion.
uncledevo 2 years ago 2
Senator John Kerry was questioned concerning 9/11 during an appearance at Book People in Austin, Texas, filmed by Aaron Dooley. Kerry was asked about the officially unexplained collapse of WTC Building 7." Kerry responded:
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"I do know that that wall, I remember, was in danger and I think they made the decision based on the danger that it had in destroying other things-- that they did it in a controlled fashion." (Aaron Dykes; JonesReport; 2007)
trapozoidalsyth 2 years ago
there is a thing called nano thermite its a very advanced sort of explosive that was found in the dust of building 7,when i watch a skyscraper go down in 6.5 seconds i say what no way can a plane do that
CsmCathal 2 years ago 2
its not because of the fire!, its because of the bomb below the buliding. get it!?
MMJJGGSS 2 years ago 2
If I accept the premise that the Government did take out WTC7 you would have to explain to me their motive for doing so.
The only one I have heard thus far is they had to destroy documents and such. Well, do you think on 9/12/01 anyone would have questioned the Gov't if they closed of WTC7 for a while? That's a more reasonable way to destroy documents than a high profile demolition in broad daylight.
I'm sorry but if that's all you've got I can't buy into this bullshit.
TributeScape 2 years ago
I'll give you two.
1) The billions of dollars that went into the war machine currently fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq...Remember where Chaney's investments are?
2) The freedom to enact legislation such as the Patriot Act while the country feels vulnerable. Normally Americans would have stood against such terrible legislation, but while under attack people cling to safety.
qrfuinsdfoguisdfg11 2 years ago
1. Larry Silverstein, the leaseholder, got cashed out $4.6 Billion on his newly acquired insurance protecting against terror acts
2. The towers needed $200 million in renovation
3. The Carlyle Group was awarded defense contracts to go into Iraq and blow stuff up
4. Halliburton, the company Dick Cheney was the old CEO of, was awarded no bid contracts to rebuild Iraq after we destroyed it.
5. While in Iraq, we stole thier oil.
so, does Billions of dollars of profit to be made count as a motive?
uwbull84 2 years ago 2
@TributeScape I hear what you are saying, but how can a steel structure fall at that speed? All four corners, straight and uniform. Come on man! Are you watching the same video? I cannot continue the conversation if you truly feel that this building fell naturally, all four corners, symetrical, fast with very little resistance. A fire caused that building to fall in that manner? What a perfect fire? What about the other 3 or four buildings closer to the actual twin towers that remain?
zekfishathotmail 1 year ago
@zekfishathotmail The key is this: Who occupied the building? What was inside the building? Was this building related to the twin towers? Who owned the one, two or three buildings? Who got paid? Follow the money, investments and transfers etc. What laws were changed as a result of this attack? What have you gained from this attack? What have you lost ? Get the maintenance records of this building, any recent closures and upgrades to the building prior to the attacks. Keep communicating!
zekfishathotmail 1 year ago
Now that NIST has acknowledged that WTC7 dropped at free fall for 2.25 seconds, or 25 meters, debunkers are ignoring the concept of instantaneous acceleration. They whine "but it took 14 sec to fall; it couldn't be free fall" They commit the same fallacy as the speeder who tells the cop "I couldn't have done 60mph; I only drove 30 miles in the last hour." Cops ticket for instantaneous speed, not average speed.
Explanations for NIST's finding: brittle beams or folding "knee joint" supports.
Skeptic121 2 years ago
I know the Bush was a horrible president, but he wasn't an evil monster. Do you think that something as big as this would stay a secret? I don't think so at all. Someone with a soul would have come clean by now and his story would be all over the media.
MexicanoINC 3 years ago
type in aaron russo 911 and find out how horrible this goverment is
Superapeaholic 3 years ago
I believe GWB was little more than the "stunt double" for the real president. I believe he was drunk most of the time, knew little, and cared even less. Watch the videos of GWB on 9/11/2001. NO ONE asked him what to do. No one expected any leadership from him. No one CARED what he thought, or if he thought anything at all. Andy Card whispered to him but did not wait for an answer or care if GWB had one. For all we know, Andy Card said "Sit there and shut up until we come get you."
Skeptic121 2 years ago
and yet, nearly no one seems to notice that.
skaribou 2 years ago
Good question: why has it stayed secret. If exposure would merely ruin the Bush presidency it might be exposed. But there are other nations involved. Search for Carl Cameron. Search ISI + Pakistan. In 2002, I was called anti-Semitic for asking about ISI and PAKISTAN... The person who used this insult probably feared that some roads lead to Israel and instinctively attacked. Most who condemn 9/11 skeptics as anti-Semitic are acting on vague fears, not specific knowledge or instructions!
Skeptic121 2 years ago
How could any fire bring down a building in such perfect symmetry. This is very conspiratorial smelling. No one will ever convince me that was a ramdom event caused by fire. I have watched many building lowerings by explosives and have never seen one that perfect. I will not go on to put blame anywhere but that being accidental no way in hell.
jobedied 3 years ago
Jesus is Saviour
ofreshartist 3 years ago
Bush = Murderer
codstar10 3 years ago
Bush= Hittler x 10
just because he can hide the truth dosnt make it genoside but really like imortal tech says hes just a pawn
fudman02 3 years ago
i know how the goverment proberly added explosives in the infistucture of the building then the inferno got to them then it fell
nikkotg13 3 years ago
which coursse IS HE TALKING ABOUT?
usamanasimbhatti 3 years ago
AlQuaeda is about the same as terrorism. Al Quaeda is a data base of names, and in arabic, translates into those two words. DATA BASE. We're being psyched with psychological warfare bullshit.
blaziermissy 3 years ago
Yeah, I agree - but it's you who are doing the bullshitting. Al Quaeda means "the base", no data for you to mine.
Also, in english and in many other languagues, database is one word, not two. Doubly wrong there, then.
About the rest, if what you say is true, why was not 9/11 used as rationale to go to war with Iraq?
McHrozni 3 years ago