Why you should know Gen. Jack Keane

[centurion180ad]

Here it is.

Generals & Admirals selected for their hostility, that can’t wait to expend the blood & treasure of their country by creating a never ending series of Wars of Aggression conducted in a manner to guarantee a maximum replacement of losses, for the profits of a handful of corporations.

[fightforyourrights9]

What'shappening to them? They are living under a puppet government, they are getting killed in both suicide bombings and US bombings. We've drawn the terrorists into their cities, endangering even more people in the process. Oh yeah, how are those people doing?

It's not a conspiracy, it's the military-industrial complex at work. Remember, the one Eisenhower warned us about? The one politicians love to patronize?

They're still trying to sell us the Iraq war, but ppl aren't buying it.

[centurion180ad]

@fightforyourrights9 War Criminal Kean is using BANKER speak. "The natural rhythm of (banker) life is returning to Iraq," means that killing many-many of them is going fine. "Iraq is all about its people," is banker speak for depopulation by accidently on purpose spillover attacks. "We spend so much time finding out what is happening to them," means covering up mass murders by killing off witnesses and destroying casulaty reports.

[sweetbilly]

Oh another loony lefty conspiracy theory, I gotta hear this one!! Wow a retired general still advising presidents and the military, the scandal!!! LMAO!

OMG I never thought about this, Henry Fords name is still on the Mustang, must be a conspiracy the worlds oil, i mean Gen Keane drives a Ford. Creepy huh???? Mushrooms!

[BbdHome]

Where is the other part?

[bigc028282]

I love how you smart fuckers can only fight about how your smarter than the other- it doesnt make me laugh. You stupid fucks are the reason asshole control you and my future, at least yours.

[babapoopoo]

why the h#$% does america want to be the dominant power in the middle east; get under your hoods and stick an electrical engine in it and gtfo of the middle east. Is it so hard to change your economic system? don't you have mechanics in the us?? Do it yourselves. Quit talking politics and economics and get to the bottom of the problem already.

[Emyousmusa]

Oil, control of the people, loving to kill people, control of a nation, where in the business of pupets, and extraction of other nations wealth that don't even come back in the pockets of americans.

[IvyWarrior]

Jack Keane was a great general i built some live fire ranges at Ft Campbell for him and he really gave us credit for the work we did, To bad hes a slut for the military industrial complex

[ldbkbarnea]

Gen Keane as Mad Max: "OK, whats your plan?"

Obama: "Plan, plan, there's no plan."

[llshamelessll]

this is why we need a 28th amendment...SEPARATION OF CORPORATIONS AND GOVERNMENT

[senglord]

Jack Keane helped to keep Iraq from completely burning to the ground.

General Petraes helped turn the war around by employing real counter-insurgency concepts. as opposed to "seek and destroy"

We are occupying Iraq, and the people do want us gone, so did the Germans and the Japanese and the South Koreans and the South Vietnamese.

But they disliked the alternatives of what would happen if we left abruptly even less.

We wanted to be out of Iraq in 2007.

And it would have been worse than SV

[jeremiahsineiii]

The international bankers and big business LOVE the destruction of war. Historically both sides of the major wars have been funded by these suckers. Americans should just say "No more". C-1 status for all!  Stand down, Soldiers!

[batigol47]

The long focus on the f-16 is misleading, since they havent been produced in at least a decade.

Anyone who isn't directly involved in fighting the war loves the destruction from it on the economic side. Problem here is that the cost of fighting this "war" which isn't really a war doesn't have any tangible benefit to our society. Hasn't stopped our spurious spending or caused any focusing of effort or even real sacrifice by the populace.

[RyanLoveheart]

Batigol47,please tell me in your estimation what qualifies as war? If i may voice an opinion i'd have to say that the invasion and unwelcome troop occupation of a country seems to qualify. As for the F-16 I believe they are still in service, and I'd be willing to bet that those bad boys need parts every once in a while. I wonder where they get those parts, have any ideas?

[batigol47]

There is no standing force of any sort in the field. It is no longer a war, but a policing action. There are many such incidents in the past. There is no one capable of making us leave, only our own disposition. IT is not even similar to Vietnam, in that there was another government in the North, with an Army, waiting to invade when we left.

The f-16 replacement parts are not inherently made by General Dynamics, but by a variety of contractors.

[RyanLoveheart]

the very concept of a "policing action" is silly. lets get real and call it occupation. Where do you get this stuff, what qualifies as a "standing force" and "the field". Listen we are occupying a country that does not want us there and it is a violent thing. There is physical resistance and we pushed in forcefully. I'm not sure what you've read, but you're obviously fooled. There's really not much difference in our occupation of Iraq and the Nazi occupation of France.

[batigol47]

Seems to me you have very little military cognizance. We are not occupying the country. They have government of their own, and while we may prop it up, they are not entirely assured of doing what we say and past incidents have shown as much. It is nothing akin to Nazi occupation of France (which was incomplete until 1944 and direct in authority). It is more akin to US occupying Germany and Japan to this day.

[ldbkbarnea]

"I'm not sure what you've read".

I am sure of what you have "red".

[RyanLoveheart]

i'm sure you mean that as some kind of slander, i thought that kind of thing ended with McCarthy. Way to show that you are about 50 years out of date. I'm not ashamed of my political views, and you can call me what you want. However know that my political views if they could be encompassed, as i'm sure yours surely could in a paper umbrella, then they're more akin to anarchism, and far to complex for the narrow mind that you've evinced.

[batigol47]

Anarchism is just plain silly.

[ldbkbarnea]

When the archives in the fallen USSR were opened what did they find out about Mccarthy's claims? Did you read that?

I attended a lecture by Gore Vidal in the late 70's.

Nazism and Fascism I have studied? You?

I was off the coast of Vietnam to save people fleeing communists. You?

If you use Nazi Germany's action to equate America's actions, then a little "red" jab is really appropriate. It was meant as nothing other than "how do you like being called a name".

"Anarchism" ?

[RyanLoveheart]

Actually yes i have a b.s. in sociology. When you were in vietnam did you notice the disparity in the standard of living in the communist villages that were self sustaining and their american aided counterparts that failed even with constant u.s. economic support. Also i'm curious as to whether you actually took note of which people were fleeing was it the peasants or the lords? Did you asked why the communist revolution required so much less outside support than the counterrevolution?

[batigol47]

South Vietnam actually stood just fine until the US Aid left. When we decided to pull out, all hell broke lose in short order. Most of the people in Vietnam were just as screwed by the communists as they were by the "republicans" for lack of a better term.,

The communist revolution required an EXTENSIVE amount of outside support and there never was a true counter-revolution. They never had complete control of the country until the US left.

Many of the people leaving were simply educated.

[RyanLoveheart]

what you're throwing down is gov't propaganda. their support wasn't nearly as extensive and they won. Why? popular support. Why? because what the communist were offering was better for more people. and i'm sure that "all hell broke lose" from a capitalist perspective. But what would a communist say about what we were doing. I doubt they felt that firebombing murder rape and the eradication all sorts of jungle with extremely toxic chemicals was anything remotely close to heavenly.

[batigol47]

The communist help was very extensive, first from China and later from the USSR directly.

They ultimately won because they had the uneducated folk of the countryside on their side and the Americans could be seen as a continuation of Foreign intervention. The South never had a proper government, but it had the cities and educated urban populations on their side until the US withdrew. when the communists overtook them, the educated were not treated well (better than Camb.) and left. I know some.

[batigol47]

Actually, my major was Modern European History. Want to talk about it?

The backing of any of McCarthy's claims was merely a case of a blind squirrel finding a nut. If you sift through half the population you are bound to find one that is actually guilty of what you are expecting.

[RyanLoveheart]

i don't understand what you're trying to say or how it ties into the discussion.

[batigol47]

Youtube just posted the comment out of order. The McCarthy bit goes with the other person speaking about him.

[Treblaine]

Broke godwin's law in less than 500 words, congratulations you just lost all your credibility!

Now to fail some more you can: "ask what Godwin's law is" or will you "use your wikipedia life line and desperately try to figure out what you just said".

Welcome folks to another game of "Internet Douchebag", where the winner is whoever loses the most! Lefties and racist compete to see who can say the dumbest thing first. Far right or far left, who will fail them most?!

[batigol47]

You broke the caveat to Godwin's law, which is calling it when the reference is being used appropriately. Good job!

[Treblaine]

The caveat is not broken and you fucking know it. Referring Iraq as a Nazi Occupation is completely unfounded, only superficially similar.

America went into Iraq to find WMDs and depose Saddam to allow democratic elections. Nazi Germany invaded France to completely enslave the country, plunder everything of worth and exterminate Jews.

Iraq is FAR more like when America occupied Germany after 1945, deposing a dictator and encouraging democratic elections.

[batigol47]

My bad, I thought you were referring to my post. I didn't see the original reference and it had been a while since I commented on this one.

[RyanLoveheart]

first i'd like to thank batigol for defending my case. second i'd like to congratulate treblaine for saying nothing. the thing nobody really ever asks is whether we have a right to determine who is empowered anywhere but in our own country. have all of you overlooked the fact that we propped up hussein in the first place and gave him biological weapons to use on enemies so that we wouldn't have to use them directly ourselves. why don't you wiki the iran contra exchanges of the late 80's.

[batigol47]

Some would argue we have the duty to help people worldwide.

We propped up Saddam Hussein, yes, but we also brought him to heel, twice.

Iran-Contra wasn't really governmental support and was some of our people undermining our overt support of Hussein by selling to Iran.

[RyanLoveheart]

there is no real logic in what you are saying, evoking godwin's law does nothing to undermine my point. Its seems to me nothing more than an exceedingly pretentious method of asserting some sort of credibility. to me godwin is doing nothing more than trying to seperate what the nazis did from what many other civilizations have done, when in fact there's no evidence to say that there ever was. all you've really done here is call me a douchebag. Is this all you can muster from your own mind.

[batigol47]

The real point though is that the two situations are not analogous.

[RyanLoveheart]

that was meant for the other guy, and i continue to contend that they are not.

[Treblaine]

Actually, Ryan, you effectively just called YOURSELF a douchebag.

If you can't comprehend such basic logical fallacies as Godwin's Law and Reductio Ad Hitlerium, then how can you possibly hope to convince anyone of anything?

[Maarten26]

Actually, Treblaine, you effectively just made me laugh. And that does seem to have a bit of ACTUAL logic in it, well, haha, at least causality.

If you try to seem intelligent by refering to fallacy in logic by bringing up Godwin or whatever you find in your free online dictionary you basically are guilty of, yes, precicely the same as you accusation and that's called hypocracy my friend.

'Tu quoque' - Yes, you can look that up too, Einstein.

[Treblaine]

Err, how did I unfairly compare you to Nazism? That would be hypocrisy but I DIDN'T DO THAT!

But now you are committing a logical fallacy by not defending your views but simply attacking the messenger, classic Ad Hominem.

[RyanLoveheart]

No in fact i did not, and godwin's law is not a logical fallacy, where do you get this stuff?

[Treblaine]

Godwin's Law was proposed in the early days of internet argument, though technically not a logical fallacy in itself (though almost indistinguishable from Reductio Ad Hitlerium), it is certainly an indication that the whole debate has collapsed into hyperbolic bickering.

This always happens with the Iraq war, people are so polarising with exaggerated comparisons that there is nothing to build on from there. No chance of approaching a common understanding, just endless anti-american evangelism.

[innyopti]

The UN is such a Utopian quagmire. They dribble and dabble tripping over themselves enough to make PM Gordon Brown to look like Pierce Brosnan. They have subtley been Co-Opted by OPEC and the Clintons, which leads to a highway of ANTI-Semitism.

[HiLlSpEaKeR]

We are leaving 50,000 troops in iraq after they pullout...nothing will change at all.

[batigol47]

We still have more troops in Germany and half that number in South Korea an d Japan. All of them have been there for 60 years give or take. Those countries are all doing reasonably well at this point. We are not actively patrolling them. The point being that leaving a force behind does not equate no change.

[RyanLoveheart]

are you trying to say that the U.S. hasn't necessarily left forces behind to affect change in the region, but rather for other motives? Hmmm... Interesting.... but you don't really think that we have alterior motives do you???? Could the government possibly be um....lying about their motivations for remaining?

[batigol47]

They do not need to have any ulterior motives. Our government interest in maintaining bases and stability in the center of that region is known and obvious. As for private corporations, they install themselves all over the world without the need of or help from our government.

[RyanLoveheart]

i'm sure they do in nations that are already our client states, but our military has and does suppress popular resistance here and abroad in order to bring about so called "stability" which basically translates to "no resistance".

[batigol47]

You have very limited understanding of the world apparently. Our corporations work worldwide in countries that are not our "client states". They have economic power of their own to buy authority. Stability does not equate no resistance. It means not having states that will roll over their neighbors whenever an opportunity presents and otherwise threaten world trade and peace.

[gsg831]

Yea but what about our state running over nations occupying them and then running over their neighbors using their countries as our base. Have you seen our embassy in Iraq? its larger than vatican city. Ever heard of the East India trading company? United Fruit? They use the militaries of heir nations to get rid of nationalist and keep their business running with the profit margins they consider fair.

[batigol47]

The East India trading company was put out of business by the British Empire when it could not control the governments it was administering anymore. Britain was also a true empire, it did not need designs to be so.

For all the talk of United Fruit in Guatemala, people forget that shortly thereafter the US government made them divest their property in anti-trust cases. It is actually a shining example of how a company does not need foreign backing to run another country re: Costa Rica.

[batigol47]

Can you name a country that we occupied and then used our bases to occupy a bordering nation? We did not occupy Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait or Qatar. We have never occupied a country bordering Germany. Techinically you could argue we occupied Korea for a while from bases in Japan, but that is a stretch as it was under the auspices of the UN and the South Korean Gov't was always in existence.

[RyanLoveheart]

you make a wonderful point they "buy" authority. they bought the whitehouse for eight years. and now they managed to swindle large sums of taxpayer money ie AIG and and several foreign and national banks. The point is that our military is merely the long sword of corps. and as far as defending our country well there's a case to be made that real democratic reform in america has been suppressed because it may actually work.

[batigol47]

A very weak case.

There will always be the opportunity for people to buy influence in a free democratic society. It is a risk that has to be taken when giving individuals their own say. Each one represents a separate chance for graft and when they work in blocs it increases. There are costs and benefits to every system, the one advantage of this one is that changes can be made to modify it without bringing the entire system down (a la USSR). We are watching it in action now.

[RyanLoveheart]

not entirely true. in a pure democracy which is entirely different than our current system we would all basically be representatives of our state. In this type of society buying influence would mean appealing to the interest of the most people. as it is now there is far too much room to appeal to the interest of the 500 or so people that make direct decisions regarding our nation. I know it sounds far fetched, but can you imagine something different than our current version of democracy?

[batigol47]

That is what we already have. People are stupid. They are bought with commercials, short attention spans and catchphrases.

Pure democracy is a fantasy and would not function. Furthermore it undermines the government and allows tyranny of the majority, which is as dangerous as any other form of tyranny.

[RyanLoveheart]

this is classic madisonian logic. People aren't fit to rule themselves so we need people to decide our fate lest we ruin ourselves. this logic is how elitist have robbed people of liberty for centuries maybe more. i don't think that rousseau or humbolt would agree. There's reason to believe that there is actually a drive for liberty and if people were given a chance that they would rise to the occasion i know its optimistic, but i am. I suppose optimism is difficult for a misanthrope.

[batigol47]

More people have more influence over our current government than at any time in the past. Fact is that people do not, in general, know what is good for them. That is precisely why we need a government. Giving people say in what that government is and how it acts is what we do now, but it still requires an educated populace. Right now we have a populace that can read just enough to THINK to consider themselves self-educable, when the majority clearly are not.

[RyanLoveheart]

this is true, because our government for a long time has taken your stance misseducated, favored war and business owners, generally misled and lied. if people are never given a chance to decide our own fates then we never will develop the skill. its basic psychology brother. I recommend you read into psychology an autonomy.

[batigol47]

They are given the chance now. They choose not to take it by and large. That is why shows like American Idol rule the ratings and even channels like History don't show anything that isn't conspiracist bible nazi or some combination of them all. Real education is there to be had by all. Real opportunity exists in this country with the current system to make change both politically and economically. People are willfully ignorant and/or lazy though and change, real change, requires sacrifice.

[RyanLoveheart]

I wan't saying that opportunity doesn't exist. What i'm saying is that there is resistance to the empowerment of the average person because people of power want to keep their social position. and i would contend that people aren't lazy when rewards match the effort and honestly i'm just exasperated by this dead end conversation with you so i bow out respectfully and acquiesce all former points to you.

[ronmamita]

I welcome you exposing more of influential policy insiders such as Jack Keane and their corporate ties. These are disturbing relationships guiding national policies.

[toadster464]

The funny thing is that there is no more resourses for these genocides soon. The thing is where do these mob leaders go when they are done in these areas go after thier done, they come back to America. Then they just try to use their same exact policy that they had in Iraq. We the people have to stand up for ourselves in the upcoming time.

[fr44ed]

This is our Martin Bormann

[fr44ed]

Obamas the commander in chief...why don't he have these traitors arrested for insuordination?

[spinningstarr]

Obama is not the legal Commander in chief he is just another felon in da WHITE house...from what I hear you got to be born in AMERICA to rule over AMERICA

[PSmithFortyTwo]

KEANE - MAKING DODOs LOOK SMART

In a debate - "That America is Finally Winning the War in Iraq," only one of four participants (apparently) did not have a clue what was going on. Come on down, General Jack Keane.

Keane - showing why he is in charge of brute force and should leave the strategic thinking, and all other decisions requiring fine judgement, to President Obama.

"Economical with the truth," or drinking the Neocon Koolaid?

The debate - google v=byEXGExDeos

[t4705mb6]

Obama has absolutley NO intentions of withdrawing from the middle east. It is his job to get world war three going over there, to make it workable. The NWO will fail without a major war to distract the stupids. The fascists NEED this coming war and QUICKLY! they are using their bogus "bible" as a blueprint and they can NOT wait. "So, it is written!"

[blahblah7949]

shut the fuck up about NWO. people like you are insane. TRNN is a serious place to get news, not for immature dumass conspiracy theory like NWO

[MichaelRMcCoy]

With only a basic grasp of the realities surrounding American syle democracy - who in their right mind could begin to believe that Obama would be allowed anywhere near the White House without being carefully and thoroughly vetted by the puppetmasters that hide behind the curtain?

Like the vast majority of both houses of Congress, Obama will dance to their song - the consequences for failure are unimaginable.

It's a grand ruse folks, a movie script, and we the commoners are merely the extras.

[FRTothus]

Why should we expect US foreign policy makers and the Pentagon to listen to the Iraqi people? Hell, they don't even listen to the American people. But, for maybe the first time in modern history, we have an adult in the White House who seems to have heard - a class act named Obama.

[AlwazeSmilin]

I'm afraid for Mr. Obama. He is going against these powerful people,... If he doesn't comply what is to stop them from trying to arrange the unthinkable? I don't even trust the secret service.. I very much so worry about the personal safety and security of our President.

May God protect him...

[FRTothus]

I so agree with you. I hope he surrounds himself with trusted bodyguards to forestall another Dallas.

[billionaireby16]

If someone were to tell me that President Obama would:

1. Close Guantanomo Bay in a Year

2. Close CIA Secret Prisons

3. End Torture

4. Seek an 80% Reduction in Russian and American nuclear arsenals over the next fours years

5. Battle Petraeus, Ordierno, Keane and the Pentagon over his Iraq Withdrawl Plan

I wouldn't have known whether to laugh or cry, but it looks like the KID's got what it takes. Now, we gotta get him to pull out of Afghanistan and we'll be in business.

[medlmayer]

did you not see that he is maintaining the secrecy regarding the Jeppensen case? i realize that we must suspend disbelief for at least a bit; but we cannot ignore policy decisions that reinforce the former president's support of secrecy and torture.

[billionaireby16]

Give em' Hell Mr. President!!!

[leotakesleo]

north korea is a real solution for the anglo-european barbarism.....enough said!

[leotakesleo]

anglo gonna make their kids beg in the street or be prostitute(like soviet kids are goin through)for few shekels...and this is not far fetched....oooops...anglo already make their kids prostitute themselves....lol;;;my bad..!

[oliversinhell]

where is part 1 ? great vid by the way ! if obama tries to withdraw the army from Iraq , he better not drive around in an open topped car ! the real rulers will whack him !!

[bajawind]

history and agendas always boil down to a few individuals--who we rarely hear about. well done, real news!

[mushroomagicman]

The US and UK Kontrollers will never concede to take their proper places as equals to the rest of the Nations of the World. They have been bullies for too long - they actually believe that they are superior - born to rule. They will NEVER relinquish their position and like Isreal they prefer to destroy the planet, rather than to relinquish their power.

So, hang on to your hats.

And after all......It's just a ride!

[hugegiantfrogs]

Abolish the army, let each individual have the responsibility of defending their own land. Abolish the income tax. Barter systems and farmers markets.

[FattKidd]

No you see why standing armies are antithetical to a free & democratic society.

[Zenboy23]

"Change"...yeah right...

[UnderseaCaveman]

Wonder if Gen (retired) Colin Powell is advising Obama on Iraq.... as he was certainly part of the equation that put us in Iraq....hahahahha!

There might also be Gen (retired) Shinseki (sp?), he opposed the war from get go on grounds that effort was underestimated.

It's not a one-sided military brass discussion, within the Brass ranks there is division...some are Obama suporters, some are not. Bottom line Obama is CIC, he must make decisions regardless of "perceptions".