Anti-Mormonism in the 2008 Primaries?

[lalalaleah123]

everyone should just love God how they want to. Personally I am not mormon because they try to suck people into their church and it makes me and many people very uncomfortable. I don't believe in that smith guy because Jesus IS coming again. I dont think he would send another guy instead of himself. FATHER SON AND THE HOLY SPIRIT. they are one:)

[babbfamilyidaho]

@lalalaleah123 He didn't send Joseph Smith he called him to re-establish his church. Joseph Smith is of the same significance to us as the Pope is to the Catholics, you would have to say that because Jesus is returning (which mormons believe) that there should be no churches at all and no men to lead them. Of course the father will call people to spread the gospel amongst his people until the Son returns. I am not going to try to convince you on anything else but on this I have to differ.

[lhiggs]

It's a good thing that Romney was under scrutiny for his religion. Now that he's dealt with it hopefully the majority of republican and independent voters will support him for 2012 and 2016.

[imtherealthing]

Godlovesmormons

Do you realize your apostate christian faith is based upon the belief system of not the early christians but of a more recent creation of the 16th century by the MAN Martin Luther? Christians for the first 1500 years believed in works/grace taught to them by Christ and his apostles...of course Martin Luther had an issue with it...he called the Epistle of James an epistle of straw...do you know what that means? He attacked the bible..why don't you have issues with him?

[Godlovesmormons]

My faith is based 100% on the Bible. I do not have anything in my beliefs or practices which goes against the word of God. You are partially correct about the early Christians not having a Bible. The did not yet have a written New Testament, but the NT was added to every so often as God breathed His word into it through Paul and so on. Only that which God deemed necessary for the church became canon, i.e. no 3rd Corinthians, etc and the canon was closed by God, 27 books later.

[imtherealthing]

Godlovesmormons's quote: "My faith is based 100% on the Bible. I do not have anything in my beliefs or practices which goes against the word of God."

My reply: You sure do ...apostate christianity is completely against the Biblical teachings of who God is. Your god is not the GOD of the Bible...it is the god of Constantine and HIS councils. Your faith ONLY crap is from Martin Luther not Christ...tell you what...read all the times "works,deeds,or any of the sort" is mentioned in the Bible.

[Godlovesmormons]

Your god wrote a book that had to be changed 4000 times, and waited hundreds of years to reveal it to mankind, with no original to study or scrutinize. I have plenty of education, and need none from you. Have you ever read the original 1830 Book Of Mormon? You may want to treat yourself to it, I did and man, what an eye opener! The trinity is in it for one thing, and there are several clear doctrinal changes that can't be missed.

[imtherealthing]

Godlovesmormons's quote: "Your god wrote a book that had to be changed 4000 times,.."

My reply : you twit...you need to do some serious research rather than Google anti-mormon sites for your information...lol..do you realise that there are more differences in Biblical manuscripts of the New Testament than there are words in the New Testament! Yet, Most of the changes to the Book of Mormon were issues of spelling, typos, and the like. A few changes were for clarification..lol..idiot...lo­l

[imtherealthing]

Godlovesmormons' quote"Have you ever read the original 1830 Book Of Mormon? You may want to treat yourself to it, I did and man, what an eye opener!"

My reply : ROLF!!! the idiot in you speaks again...lol

wow...you really read the original 1830 edition...wow...that must make you an expert huh?...lol

"The trinity is in it for one thing, and there are several clear doctrinal changes that can't be missed"

You impose your ideas of it ...not there...sorry. We have NEVER taught it..

[imtherealthing]

Godlovesmormons's quote"Only that which God deemed necessary for the church became canon, i.e. no 3rd Corinthians, etc and the canon was closed by God, 27 books later. "

My reply: You really are stupid aren't you? Here let me educate you on history...CONSTANTINE and his ELECTED council (he exiled those who did not agree with him or killed them) "picked" the cannon of scripture...this by a PAGAN...not GOD. historically it is in doubt he even converted on his death bed..say again?

[imtherealthing]

Godlovesmormons

Do you even know how the bible was canonized and then how it went through the hands of the Catholic church (revisions) before you stupid protestants got your grubby little ignorant hands on it and changed the doctrines of Grace and works to just Grace because of ONE man who hated portions of the bible that did not agree with his ideas of what it should teach rather than what it teaches...yet you morons still believe in his lies.

[Godlovesmormons]

Nobody changed anything... That sure is a small god you believe in.. once a mortal sinner, has no power over the will of man, can't keep His word pure, can't hold a church together. I pity you, really you are missing so much and you are so bitter... The canon was not decided by Catholics, it was decided by God, not a former mortal sinner, but the one true and living God who is God alone.

[imtherealthing]

Godlovesmormons's quote" Nobody changed anything... "

My reply : Most biblical scholars (without any agenda) and ANY religious studies professor would laugh you right out of thier lecture and call you a complete idiot...which is really what you have demonstrated yourself to be here. You have allowed your socialogical/protestant-religi­ous background BLIND you to common sense and logic not to mention what really happened historically...least of all the TRUTH.

[Godlovesmormons]

Prove the Bible has been changed in any significant manner, i.e doctrinal and I might believe you. As for God becoming the incarnate Christ, 2 things you need to know. 1. If one does not teach that Messiah has come in the flesh, he is a liar. That is you my friend, a liar, whether you know it or not. You do not teach that God became a man, and that makes you on the side of Satan. Cont.

[imtherealthing]

Godlovesmormons' quote: "You do not teach that God became a man,"

My reply: You stupid twit...do you realise that taking the "incarnation" doctrine that most apostate christians believe in...you also fullfill that very thing you are pointing your finger at us for...could you really be that stupid?...seriously..really?

[imtherealthing]

Godlovesmormons's quote: "Prove the Bible has been changed in any significant manner"

My reply: there are literally thousands of scholars with mounds of information to prove this...since you are so adept at using GOOGLE...find this yourself...lol

[TheLDSJohn]

Prove the Bible has NEVER been changed in any significant manner. Bible do have a lot of changes. .impossible? how many Christian sects dow we have? How many biblical changes and versions does every church had? Catholics had lot of biblical alterations and the same with the other sects. . .well then if it must be the fate of the bible to be changed,then it must be on the purpose of updating it, right? why? bible is a never ending book and must be updated through the course of time,by who?

[TheLDSJohn]

of course by only our God through His Prophet. . .and not by any man only

[Godlovesmormons]

Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7but made himself nothing, taking the form of a servant,[being born in the likeness of men. 8And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death,( even death on a cross. Christ was God, and since there's only one in the universe, He became a man for a small amount of time to save the world.

[imtherealthing]

Psalm 82:6

" I [God here] have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are achildren of the most High."

"gods" here is the hebrew word "elohim" in this context it is not judges or angels, but literally "gods" hmm...you calling the saviour a liar?

Also is God the God of pagan gods or true gods?

Chew on this: Deut. 10: 17 For the Lord your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible..."

and: Josh. 22: 22; Ps. 136: 2;Dan. 2: 47;Dan. 11: 36

[imtherealthing]

Godlovesmormons's quote: "That sure is a small god you believe in.. once a mortal sinner, has no power over the will of man..."

My reply : where do you come up with all this crap?...more of your armchair academics I see...lol..google is your friend huh? Go do some real research because you just proved you know nothing about my faith. Oh by the way moron...if you believe in the incarnation of God as Christ than your god was then a "mortal man"-we have never said Christ was a "sinner"..idiot

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[Godlovesmormons]

To Imtherealthing: yes, the Pharisees knew a law of sorts, but it was not the law of Moses, but their own man made law that they followed. You compare those who have trusted Christ for their eternal heaven to Pharisees, well, that is laughable. We don't go by man's made up laws, we go strictly by the Bible. The Bible was given to all mankind to show us the truth, and it is the cults like your group who have perverted it and have become the Pharisees. Your Talmud is the Book of Mormon.

[imtherealthing]

Godlovesmormons's quote:"The Bible was given to all mankind to show us the truth, .."

My reply: You aren't very good at apologetics I take it...either that or you choose to ignore the refuting FACTS I presented regarding the bible below...again I will state it...the Early christians DID NOT HAVE THE BIBLE...so does that mean they were not christians?...more importatly shown the "truth" as per your comment above....how were they led?..certainly not by the bible...by Prophets and apostles.

[imtherealthing]

Godlovesmormons's quote:"Your Talmud"

My reply...I think you meant TANAK as that is what constituted something like the bible to them ...thier scriptures. What is "laughable" is something like the TRINITY...you know...your three-headed one-in-three-three-in-one god who is everywhere but not everywhere...a formless blob who is of the same "substance/essence" of the gods you call GOD which has no scriptural proof whatsoever...tell me you really believe in that?

[Godlovesmormons]

What I meant was that the Jews have added to the TanAKH by making the Talmud, just as Mormons have added their own false ideas and words of man in the form of the Book of Mormon and the POGP, etc. You claim to be some sort of scholar or learned man, but you simply regurgitate the same misunderstandings about the triune godhead as the atheists, Muslims and Jews do, and you understand nothing about it at all. God is not a three headed blob nor is He divided in any way, He is one, literally.

[apologeticsman]

Isn't it funny that the LDS claim the Bible is scripture, yet none of their unusual and peculiar doctrines can be found in it... it almost seems as though someone removed Mormonism from the Bible, or maybe it could be that it was never there to begin with??

[2morrowman]

Isn't it funny that the Lord didn't warn us in the bible about the evils of pornography, drugs, alcohol, gambling etc? Continuing revelation because God loves us today just as much as He did in old testament times and new testament times. We need guidance today more than ever. We bare testimony to the world that God does continue to guide us today through living prophets

[apologeticsman]

LOL! Sorry, not trying to be rude, but have you ever actually read the Bible? Jesus states that lust is a sin, Paul says to not get drunk or allow anything to control us and as far as gambling is concerned, I am not convinced that it is a sin, but there are principles of being a good steward & using your money wisely, which would not allow any believer in Jesus to waste the money that God gave them on anything, gambling or otherwise. I have yet to not find an answer to any question in the Bible

[2morrowman]

The bible all teaches about apostacy and restoration, about the need for living prophets, about other sheep that belong to Christ, about baptism for the dead, about a pre existence, that God the father Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost are separate individuals, that we must repent and bring forth fruit meet for repentance but you don't seem to be able to find all that in your bible. Isn't funny how we can all interpret the bible to justify our own conclusions?

[apologeticsman]

First, one must use the Bible to interpret the Bible, and must be able to use contextual criticism. The word translated "falling away" or as Mormons say "apostasy" is a Greek word meaning rebellion. This is speaking not of the entire church falling from faith in Christ, but of a number of people in the last days who will rebel against Jesus. This is happening now, and the growth of the LDS church is a sign of it. When people depart from faith in Jesus, and go to cults, they are rebelling.

[2morrowman]

And no man seeketh this honour unto himself but he that is called of God as was Aaron.

The authority to act in God's name was taken from the earth according to prophecy and was also restored according to prophecy. Of this I know and bare witness

[apologeticsman]

Read the book of Hebrews. The book of Hebrews shows quite plainly that A. The office of Aaronic (Levitical) priesthood was done away with by Jesus and B. that Jesus is the one and only priest in the order of Melchizedek. Jesus is able to save all people that come to Him, to the uttermost, and He is the ONLY mediator between God and man; not a priest, not a prophet, not an apostle.

[2morrowman]

And he gave some apostles and some prophets and some pastors and some teachers and some evangelists. Till we all come in the unity of faith. Yes Jesus is the mediator between God and man but He revealeth His secret unto His servants the prophets

[apologeticsman]

Ok, so using your logic, there should be no more prophets, right? Since the LDS claim to have restored the church&brought it back to it's former glory (even better if you listen to JS) and all Mormons have unity of faith, then there is no more need for apostles. I never said there weren't apostles or prophets, I just said that those people are not in charge of the church, and that we do not now, nor have we ever needed them to be saved and have true Christianity. If you trust Jesus, you're saved

[2morrowman]

You are right in that prophets cant save us but listening to them can because they preach of Christ, they teach His commandments and help us learn what we need to do live with Christ again. Using my logic we still need prophets. Times change, new things are invented and people have their own free agency and don't always use it wisely. In a world of so many voices we bare testimony that there is a prophet who receives revelation from God in our behalf. We need a listening ear.

[apologeticsman]

let me ask you this; what am I missing by reading the Bible? In the Bible, I see the creation,& God's interaction with man, I see His hatred of sin, love for the sinner,& promise of the Messiah, & His arrival. Then, I hear His gospel, and the commentaries of 7 men speaking through the Holy Spirit, & most importantly, I see how to have a relationship with God, & how to show Him to the lost, & how all men can be saved. The only thing that's "missing" is Joseph Smith, & his peculiar doctrines.

[2morrowman]

I am sure that the millions of people who read the first Harry Potter book didn't realize that the author was going to put out 7 of them but they were grateful that she did. Why is it that so many people try to say to the Author of the bible "thanks very much but that is all we need we can handle it from here. Don't worry about giving us any more revelation we are doing just fine" Sounds like we are trying to tell God what to do and putting limits on His powers.

[apologeticsman]

Well, A. if the entire Harry Potter story had been told in one book, then we would not need another one. B. I don't think any Christian in their right mind would ever say that God "couldn't" send more scripture, simply that had it been necessary to do so, it would have been done long ago. Mormons are not saying that there is more to the story, they are saying that there are necessary parts of it MISSING, thus making God inept, and incapable of relaying His message to the world.

[2morrowman]

Thanks for your reply. Come and let us reason together. Using that argument we could say that God was inept in giving to Adam and Eve the Law of Sacrifice, and to Moses the 10 commandments. Why didn't He just give them all the Gospel as Christ delivered it? The answer? To everything there is a time and a season and God knows the end from the beginning. The jews of the old testament believed they had everything necessary for salvation and didn't need any more. But did they?

[apologeticsman]

Well, there are many possible reasons for that. The best I have ever heard is that before Jesus came, God was a lot more patient with sinners, and thus did not require as much from them as He does now (see Hebrews 1:1) Also, before Jesus could come, many prophesies had to be made, and fulfilled. If this had not taken place, the New Testament would make no sense. I also believe that those who died before the gospel was preached were given it by Jesus retrospectively, but that no longer happens.

[2morrowman]

I appreciate your comments. There are lots of things we don't know the answers to don't you think? Don't know about the "more patient with sinners idea" though. He got angry enough to flood the earth, He destroyed Sodom and Gamorah. I think He might be more patient with us now giving a chance for the gospel to be preached unto the ends of the earth before the great and terrible day of the Lord. Why is it so hard to believe that He would call a prophet in these days. He surely loves us enough.

[apologeticsman]

it's not hard to believe that He would call prophets (plural) but there is only one head of the church, and that is Jesus Christ. If a prophet predicts something that does not come true, or says something that does come true, but then uses that to try to get people to worship a God they have not known, then that prophet is false. Also, a prophet must never contradict God's revealed word, if he does, he is false. I have no problem with a prophet who would stick to those guidelines.

[2morrowman]

I agree that there is only one head of the church and that is Jesus Christ. Prophets are only human and they do err. Moses did when he struck the rock to get water. Jonah did by not going to Ninevah when he was told. Peter did in preaching circumcision to the gentiles and many other instances but the Lord forgives. The Lord told Joseph Smith off many times, he wasn't perfect. The Lord works through imperfect people and by small and simple things are great things brought to pass.

[apologeticsman]

Yes, prophets are not perfect, but the message they get from God is. Jesus is the only prophet who was perfect and completely obedient, so He is the only one qualified to run the church. Again, that is coming from the understanding that church doesn't mean a visible organization or a hierarchy, but all who receive Jesus through faith. Remember, Jesus said His kingdom is not of this world.

[imtherealthing]

lapologeticsman's qutoe: "... what am I missing by reading the Bible?...The only thing that's "missing" is Joseph Smith, & his peculiar doctrines."

My reply: Do you realise the absurdity of your comment? Seriously...how did you get the Bible...was it God who wrote it?...NO...it was prophets and apostles...just like you mentioned the "7 men speaking through the Holy Spirit"...well DUH...no kidding...as Latter-Day Siants we too make this claim...how do YOU know they told the truth?

[apologeticsman]

You obviously have no knowledge of Greek, and do not know what inspired means. The entire Bible is "God breathed" meaning that it is 100% directly from God. Nothing in the Bible is false, and only if God is fallible, is His word fallible. Which God do you worship?

[imtherealthing]

apologeticsman's quote: "You obviously have no knowledge of Greek"

My reply : I have TWO years of Greek [both Classical and Koine] and ONE year of Hebrew. Say again?

What does Greek have to do with my comments? You still did not answer my question. Well...?

Tell me how you know that the Bible is the word of God? Without using the Bible as a reference. Hmmm?

Your [lack of] logical is truly puzzling. Would you care to discuss Greek next?

Perhaps start with Dative, Nomative, etc

[Godlovesmormons]

Hmm, dative and nomative.. well, anyone with a Strong's and some study guides can accurately define Greek words, and all one must do to properly interpret the verse or passage is to use basic common sense and contextual understanding. I have met people who claim to be Greek experts with master's degrees who also claim without reservation that God chooses who goes to heaven and hell, and does not give mankind a choice. So, simply knowing Greek is not sufficient cause to argue LDS doctrine

[imtherealthing]

Godlovesmormons's quote :"Hmm, dative and nomative.. well, anyone with a Strong's ... accurately define Greek words..."

My reply: wow..you sure sound so smart. Unfortunately that is only in your head. I do understand Greek...why don't you try this on for size as the twit apologeticsman thinks I made up all that below because it didn't work through an on-line translator (did that on purpose) He does not understand - get someone who can - that will prove I can since you two twits can't.

[imtherealthing]

Godlovesmormons's quote: "simply knowing Greek is not sufficient cause to argue LDS doctrine"

My reply: You actully got ONE thing right - apostate christians like the pharisees of old who knew the law and well versed in it - akin to modern day theologians miss the mark. ONE can only know the TRUTH not by argument but by the Holy Spirit...that is how it was done in the early church as it was guided not by a book (since they never had one for a few centuries). But, by Prophets and Apostles.

[apologeticsman]

ITRT has no clue about how to know the truth and doesn't even know what the word means. He does however correctly define truth as the LDS do, and for that, I applaud him. GLM sounds like he/she has their head on straight, and this dope has nothing to offer but ignorance and hate. He also is not aware of the verse that says "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, IMRT is a troll, and has nothing relevant to offer

[imtherealthing]

apologeticsman's quote: ' Which God do you worship?"

My reply : Not the three-headed god of apostate christiandom. You know the one that has to be explained in the terms of an egg (white,yolk,shell)..no wait..I mean water,ice,steam...lol..you know the one who is everywhere but nowhere at once...the one who is three-gods-in-one-and-one-in-t­hree and of the same "essence" Οὐσία <--- oh by the way not found in the bible to explain the Godhead.

[apologeticsman]

there is no apostate Christiandom, there is the truth of the eternal gospel, and the lies of Satan. Apostates are people who have renounced Jesus after being saved by grace through faith, not the lack of leadership in the church. Salvation is not based on one's works or on man's authority, but on faith in Jesus. You are fooled by your own false prophet, and I am sad for you. PS The Trinity is not in the Bible, but the fact that there is only 1 God is. The father is God, the Son, & spirit is God

[imtherealthing]

Your quote: "Salvation is not based on one's works or on man's authority, but on faith in Jesus. You are fooled by your own false"

LOL...you mean Martin Luthers idea of faith alone don't you?...since this idea only was taught from the 16th century on in Protestantism...so for the first 1500 years the christians must have been wrong huh?

[apologeticsman]

no, they were correct. The Roman Catholics censored and killed all Christians they found, until brave men like Luther, Calvin, Wesley and Tyndale stood up to them and began the Church's trek back to open air. Yes, there were and are many false doctrines being preached, but they were usually honest mistakes made by men who were just learning to study the Bible, after years of only having the essentials. Jesus and Paul taught salvation by grace through faith, and that's what I teach.

[imtherealthing]

Let's see how good you are at Greek. Translate this in proper english structure - meaning that even if you use an on-line translator - you will not be able to do it. I will use first year Greek without any markings (breathings) so you know I am not copying this from the internet and do it in Minuscule form.

ο δε Φιλιπποζ αλλα ποσον χρονον εδει μαχεσθαι

Now mister Greek expert..tell me what this VERY simple sentence says.

[apologeticsman]

I didn't say I could translate Greek, I said I knew the Greek, i.e I take the time to study the Bible and find the meaning oiof difficult or disputed words and passages. Mormons do not do this, and would see no need to dig into the Bible, since to them it is corrupted in their eyes. Who is being proud here?? Me thinks it is you... BTW being an apologist does not mean one has to have a degree, the apostles and followers of Jesus had no degrees, just God's word.

[Godlovesmormons]

One thing you are missing is that the Bible itself claims authorship by God. A person who claims to be a Christian, yet does not believe in the authority and perfection of the Bible is making a false claim to the faith. There can be no Christian faith without an infallible Bible, unless you can claim to have a fallible god

[imtherealthing]

Godlovesmormons 's quote: "One thing you are missing is that the Bible itself claims authorship by God."

My reply: ROLF!!...sorry you guys just make me laugh. Really?...it (The Bible) claims authorship by God?...ROLF!!...I seriously believe a lot of you are mentally ill. Ok..now show me where the is in the Bible please. Again, for you to do this...you would have had to have the Apostles and Christ make "reference to the bible" which of course was not yet in existence..show me.

[KingMike7]

Ok people vote on candidates by what they believe in, there values, how they think. When a candidate is someone that believes in ludicrous mormon "beliefs" that opens the chance of anyone slightly in-touch with reality to think negatively towards that person and NOT vote for the idiot with a religon based on lies.

[johnPhilos]

Joseph Smith said that he should yet tread down his enemies, and walk over their dead bodies; that if he was not let alone, hew ould be a second Mahomet to this generation, and that he would make it one gore of blood from the Rocky Mountains to the Atlantic Ocean; that like Mahomet, whose motto, is treating for peace, was 'Alcoran or the Sword,' so should it be eventually with us, 'Joseph Smith or the Sword.'

[johnPhilos]

That was according toSworn to

Henry Jacobs, J. P., Ray County, Missouri

Richmond, Missouri, October 24, 1838

[CUBuffaloes1468]

dont want to comment on what the video is about because everyone has things to say about every religion. but i just want to say that its not Mormon Church, its called The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints. Thanks.

[strongpride73]

Dinosaur is extinct by the extreme cold weather of the Ice Age. Mankind can be destroyed by Homosexuality, Socialism, Communism and Female Chauvinism which are all against the Laws of Nature and God's plan. Please keep in mind that being progressive towards those freaky disgusting stuff should be called "Degressive." Socialism and communism has been failed based off of a lot of communist and socialist countries. Don't be hyped when they say "Human Right or Welfare stuff.."

[BlackOps05]

It is interesting to point out that your arguement for Jesus not coming to the Americas is based on the belief that Christ will not walk on the Earth again until he comes in his Glory in the Second Coming.

It is also worth noting that Christ reappears multiple times in the Bible, St. John Ch.20-21 and Acts Ch.1, to the witness of the Apostles.

[ntguy73]

If you expect to be taken seriously i'd suggest conducting yourself as someone with intelligence.

[ntguy73]

I'm guessing you got your information from the murderers who killed him in cold blood. but lets not focus on them, lets focus on joseph smith the man who served god as a prophet. your a pathetic excuse for a human being. you didnt know joseph smith so who are you to label him. there are over 6 million lds members in this world who know different.

[ntguy73]

If you think you have proof he didnt, you are an idiot for thinking you know for fact he didnt. please go play in traffic and earn your darwanism award...

[vicious986]

She never proved a thing she said. Obviously she knows it and does not care because she is only makeing a statment she feels needs to be made at the discussion. All of her resources seems to be stemmed from Telavanglist arguments then any Mormon apologetics research.

[maxpixel]

Thanks to Mitt, the ugly truth about mormonism is of great national and international interest.

Many mormon that I know and even the famous Jeopardy champ Ken Jennings look forward to the day that Mitt steps out of the lime light because mormons like to tell the story about their history, not unbiased sources.

[Hottides]

Blacks are officially "Sons of Ham" in Mormonism, i.e. cursed and condemned to either servitude or Hell. Unique among Christian sects, Mormonism enshrined the Ante Bellum South's "Peculiar Institution" as holy writ. Later, the Mormon Elders tried to whitewash their religion's inherent racism by "changing" supposedly eternal holy doctrines, in effect substituting hypocrisy for racism.

[superjump01]

Out Of many of the "elleged" Christian Religions the Mormon Church Is the only religion that has so far not committed acts or views of Genocide or racial slavery or any slavery for that matter. Catholics started the inquisition which slaughtered hundred of non converters. Potestants did the same thing with the crusades. Oh and who was it that Started the KKK, Oh yes the Southern Baptists. FACT Mormons lobbied Against slavery before, during, and after the civil war.

[binglephipple]

Mormonism has not even been around for long enough to make comparisons like that. It is unfair to speak of things done when Momonism did not exist to be compared with.

But saying dark skinned people are so because of being cursed is certainly oppressive. To suggest oppression can only be physical is ignorant bigotry.

[superjump01]

"It is unfair to speak of things done when Momonism did not exist to be compared with." The Mormon Church was established long before the Baptist ministers formed the KKK. For any other church to say anything about the Mormon church being racist is total hypocrisy. Fact-The Mormon church was the first predominantly white church to allow blacks to oppenly join the church and the congregation. Fact-The Mormon church opposed slavery.

[dirkhunter]

Fairwiki dot org is a good site for media and people wanting to know the hard issues of the LDS faith.

[ntguy73]

You miss the whole point, god did mark cain, it is in the bible. go to wikipedia and look up curse of cain, and you'll see that mormons were not the first to beleive this. so if you have any problems with the curse of cain you should take them up wiht god whome you are indirectly calling a bigot.

[johnPhilos]

Joseph Smith crystallized the racism of the 19th century, as well as many of the beliefs of the day, into scripture. Most christians got over their fad racism while the mormon church clinged to its as if it were mandated from heaven.

[lyra2008]

IT's amazing that our country came about because our ancestors fled to come to their own country where ALL would be free of religious persecution. But, one's faith, will have a bearing on whether or not he/she can be elected into the Oval office as President. I think our forefathers would be ashamed of us all if we let that happen.

[InShadowsUFindMe]

I agree

[nofraidnot]

I don't care what your religion is. What I care about is whether or not you have an intellect deep enough to reject the absurd. And if you believe the earth is 6,000 years old, like Huckabee does, or that John Smith was anything other than a convicted con-man, like Romney does, then I'm sorry, but your ability to reason just isn't up to snuff.

[jeffbrown8]

fair enough.. Romney does seem like an intellectual and effective manager of money...we really need that in the Oval office.. and to maintain our strength in the world.. on a bad note.. it's so sad that as a Mormon he believes Jesus came to America -- that's history revisionism.. and Joseph Smith was a complete fraud-- too bad that Romney because of family tradition falls for it

[cdatelle]

I don't understand what someone's religion has to do with running for president. If someone is willing to not vote for a person due to their religious background, that's when the song title "American Idiot" comes to my mind.

[YadaYadaguy]

your absolutly right when the KKK was running for office we should of elected them...

[AmericanPolitix]

YadaYadaguy, since when is the KKK a religion?

[AmericanPolitix]

cdatelle, I agree with you, except for the muslim religion. That's the only exception for obvious reasons.

Mitt Romney is a good, decent man who has a clean record is why his opponents are using his religion against him. They have NOTHING else! Mitt Romney would make an excellent president! For once, the US prez would be withOUT any courrption.

[Hottides]

Where an Atheist candidate to run and their positions to be at least comparable to those of contenders espousing faith, I'd vote for the Atheist. IMHO, religious faith indicates intellectual laziness and probable mental instability. All things being equal, the Atheist candidate would probably provide more effective leadership.

[lyra2008]

yea, that's what Germany thought in World War 2 too. (Hitler) lol. Seriously, I know an Atheist is not an Anti-Christ. They are neither for or against because they don't believe He exist".

[Hottides]

Hitler was a Christian, not an Atheist. God only exists in superstition-compromised minds.

[lyra2008]

Hottides No, he was an Anti-Christ. Through and through. Or you can refer to him as and EvilDoer. We argue this one all the time on other sights. Particulary, the Anti-Mormon sights.

[Hottides]

Labeling Hitler an 'Anti-Christ' does a disservice to history and humanity by obscuring the personal and political dynamics that fueled his ascent to power and reign of terror. Hitler was a HUMAN BEING, in many respects a mediocre one, who possessed remarkable talents for persuasion and manipulation. By conflating him with mythological nonsense, we hinder efforts to understand the causes of the Nazi catastrophe and efforts to prevent repetition of the insanity that extinguished 60 million lives.

[alby451]

Hitler was a ruthless racist and abloodthirsty insane murderer of inocent people and should live his spiritual life in total hell for what he did

[lyra2008]

Hottides, do you by any chance happen to know just what Christian relligion did at one time Hitler belong too? Guess I could Google it or something, but was wondering if you knew.

[Hottides]

Hitler was baptized a Roman Catholic and remained nominally Catholic throughout his life. In practice, he supplemented his Catholicism with a mix of sanctified nationalism, Paganism and racism. Much of Nazi ritual and pageantry Hitler admitted borrowing from Catholic ceremonies. Hitler's greatest borrowing for Catholicism was Anti-Semitism, where he fulfilled the Churches' 2 millennia-long war against Judaism, i.e. the Holocaust.

[lyra2008]

Hottides: Thank you so much. I didn't know that he belonged to the Roman Catholic church. In any event, I hope he is rotting in hell.

[BlueSky07a]

Hitler has become a symbol of evil in modern society, but he was merely a product of his time, place, and life events. Hell, in the Christian sense, is nonsensical, as we would all be condemned to it if born in a particular life that pushed us to the brink. I'm not excusing Hitler (he's dead anyway), but I don't think any person deserves to rot in Hell for eternity.

If I was born in his shoes, I would have probably became the same.

[dang9669]

Hitler was a closet-queer and a drug addict, according to the Hitler, err, History Channel.

[Hottides]

The OAS (predecessor to CIA) psych report on Hitler interpreted many of his actions and sayings as expressing gay desires. Towards the end of the war, Hitler became a Methamphetamine addict, receiving daily injections from his 'doctor'.

[BlueSky07a]

That's crazy. How could any report state that a person has gay desires by looking at how they express themselves, without stereotyping gays?

[Hottides]

The OAS report analyzed Hitler's speeches and actions with Freudian psychoanalytic techniques, which were viewed more favorably by the scientific establishment then today. Hitler's use of 'stab in the back' metaphors was interpreted as expressing anal sex desires, while his obvious delight with the Nazi youth brigades was attributed to homosexual arousal.

[InShadowsUFindMe]

sooooo what do Christians believe in?

[lyra2008]

Hottides: "I would rather live my life as if God existed, than to not, to die and meet Him." In your way of thinking if you die, it's lights out. So what would it matter, if you lived you life believing in Him?

[cdatelle]

That's just idiotic!! Anyone who is stupid enough to not vote for someone based on their religion is someone who I find to be really shallow & really judge mental!!

[CANDYPERFUMEGIRL31]

Yes, the way McCain was unfairly smeared just shows you how nasty partisan politics can be. I think it's ridiculous that so much is being made of Romney's personal religious beliefs.

[YadaYadaguy]

Yeah becuase what somene beleives should have no bearing on your vote...the fact that someone beleives the world is going to be destroyed by fire should have control of nukes and our futur.

[AmericanPolitix]

YadaYadaguy, every president believed that since most were Christians. It doesn't matter what they believe as long as it doesn't influence their decisions in the White House.

[YadaYadaguy]

well lately its been coming to light that they do beleive this stuff...Bush doesn't read reports cause he prays..said that on national television...still think a super religious guy is fit to lead????

[imhaupty]

Very interesting, the Mccain bastard child that was really adopted part shows how twisted political campaigns get.