I wonder, if Sayaka got her act together and killed the source of her sorrow (Hitomi) instead of succumbing to her sorrow, how different would the outcome have been?
@mahoshojo03 The source of her sorrow? I think being turned into a lich and not being able to be together with the guy she loves is the root of the problem, Hitomi was just another nail in the coffin.
And no, as a general rule, I don't think murdering one of your best friends will improve the situation much... :/
The outcome would always be the same, even in the new world. Since witches don't exist Mami and Kyoko survive because they were both killed by witches in previous timelines, but in the new world theres no charlotte or octavia so they remain alive. Sayaka didn't get killed by a witch but in all timelines she falls into despair, in the new world you don't turn into a witch when you despair but you either die/ascend to heaven.
Bottom line is she was doomed regardless of what she did
@mahoshojo03 ／人◕ ‿‿ ◕人＼: I'm no expert at inter-human relationships, but maybe she just shouldn't have given up on him rather than surrendering him to her rival for no real reason?
@mahoshojo03 Killing Hitomi probably would have only made things worse. Once Sayaka got past the initial triumph and realized the enormity of what she had done, I think she would have succumbed to despair and become a Witch then and there.
Yes Kyoko was a bitch at first. But then on realising they have a lot in common with her old self, she tried to make peace, spills her guts to her and saved her life at least twice. I would say she deserved a 2nd chance.
As for Homura. In the early timelines and before Homura's personality became so hardened, Sayaka was already distrustful of her. This is a major reason why future Homura never explains anything, as she knows it useless to try (Sayaka) and possibly dangerous (Mami).
In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory,[2] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[3] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.
@strikerk "someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages"
It wasn't posted to turn people violent, it was posted as an opinion, and it was completely on topic. Stop browsing gaia and being an all around woman and maybe you wouldn't become bubbling with rage when somebody has a different opinion than you.
@FreddyMercurysAIDS Yeah, inflammatory, and extraneous "opinion" which did EXACTLY as the definition inquired. The you continue to proceed to insult and otherwise defame the very people you're talking to. Judging by your channel comments this isn't something you're a stranger to. Do us a favor and stop trolling people just to get your jollies off on the net. At least admit what you are. You're that guy, kay? You're the guy that fucks shit up for everyone. Grats to you.
@FreddyMercurysAIDS No, I'm saying you inciting hateful wording and trying to cause a scene is. Just get over it. I'm done feeding you. You're the reason the internet fucking sucks, and you get off on it. Here's your food for the day troll, go fuck yourself. Honestly, you're the reason why abortion should be more readily available to young women.
@FreddyMercurysAIDS ... and leave it to trolls like you? Let me know when you choke and die, and maybe I can take some time off. Till then I'll call you on your bullshit.
@FreddyMercurysAIDS *Shrugs* Not really upset, just bored. I just keep responding to you because I get to hear an awesome song every time I click on the reply button. I win either way. Deal with people like you on a daily basis. It's the same thing every time. Song is a nice reminder for me that regardless of how gross people can be, things can still be worthwhile and beautiful.
@Pantalaimonish Madoka does "save" her just like she does every Puella Magi. But it's envitable that she will make her wish, which will exclude her from ever attaining the happiness she wanted... Which is probably want you meant.
But at least she got exactly what she wished for... Even if the wish wasn't what she truely wanted, Sayaka pretty much admits that in the end, it was worth it.
@903IDFOLEY It took just a little bit of a brain to actually avoid all this but no, let's ask for our wishes to become true and not ask any questions about why Kyubey is doing it.
Most of the Puella Magi just naturally assumed this is a typical magic girl show, so QBs motive is the usual love, justice and all that good stuff. With the way the Puella Magi look and how the incubators present themselves, it's fairly obvious QB was deliberately trying to pass over that impression.
@903IDFOLEY Of course he did that, but then again, asking a question would still have been legitimate, plus formulating the wish properly would have helped. I mean like a true contract where you put the conditions but i guess, they put the "only girl" stuff because boys would have actually been more smart and less dependent on emotions?
@Blasthood You've got to be kidding, right? It doesn't matter whether or not if the magical warriors were male or female. Claiming that boys are inherently smarter and less dependent on emotions would be asinine(since males rely on emotion and aggression, I imagine they would have been just as fooled.) Soapbox: Kyubey's point was to rely on an ideal that would have never succeeded in reality.
In essence, all adolescents would have been fooled-they haven't seen reality yet.
@jkb5954 Haha i guessed someone would come up for that. But anyway mine was just a question for the usual "stereotype". Although choosing females only is kinda meh. In the real world i know it doesn't matter, although a study suggested that males are more inclined towards anger rather than other emotions like the females do. But still the "only female" thing is a bit wierd. I mean i don't think i would have been so gullible with Kyubey <.<
It also helps that Kyubey often appears to the girls when they're the most emotionally vulnerable and desperate and therefore less likely to ask questions as long as they get results ( coming to Mami when she was about to die, visiting Kyoko when her family was undergoing starvation from poverty, etc.). Madoka's wish goes well due to having time to think about exactly what she wants and knowing fully well the consequences.
To be honest, I really disliked Sayaka... Miss Holier than thou. Utter bitch to Kyoko despite her trying to fix things a be friends. Never trusted Homura, making her already near impossible task even more difficult. Turns on her best friend, almost making her sacrifice herself to the same fate...
But then we get the scene at the platform along with this theme... Damn it, she really didn't deserve that...
@903IDFOLEY Also, who would trust Homura? Its easy to say that in retrospect, but Homura didn't exactly accept others with hugs and smiles. She pops up, effortlessly kills witches, stops fights, and leaves, all without an explanation.
@903IDFOLEY Utter bitch to Kyoko? Kyoko was a bitch to everybody first, she even told Sayaka to go and break her lover's arms and legs! Never trusted Homura? WHO DID? Turned on her best friend? That wasn't her fault, it was the corruption in her Soul Gem tainting her soul.
@Archimonde259 Someone said exactly the same thing as you and I've already replied a few pages back.
But it's kinda ironic that Kyoko's suggestion was actually a lot closer to what Sayaka SHOULD have wished for. Maybe not going that far as breaking Kyosuke's arms and legs, but if Sayaka just wished she could be by his side forever, then could probably have avoided turning into a witch.
@903IDFOLEY Maybe. That wouldn't have avoided her bad conscience over having her soul displaced, though. Odds are she would have felt terrible about dooming him to a life with a soulless lich and turned into a witch anyways. Word of God goes that Sayaka can't be saved, she always falls no matter the circumstances.
@Archimonde259 The reason Sayaka can never be saved is exactly because she will always make the same wrong wish to save Kyosuke's hand. And for one reason or another, this will always drive the two apart and ultimately lead Sayaka to dispair.
Goddess Madoka can do nothing for Sayaka until the latter makes her wish and becomes a Puella Magi, but by that time, it would already be too late.
well, we might see different when the game comes out next month, then again, urobuchi warned us that her story might go even worse depending on actions taken. TT
@alphamone Judging by Word of God I don't think it can be any different... If anything for Sayaka's ending we'll probably get to control Oktavia and slaughter the magical girls. Granted that would be actually pretty awesome.
Kyoko was an amoral cunt who's selfish habit of cultivating familiars will have killed dozens of people. Sayaka might have been nicer to Homura if Homura showed an ounce of warmth or humanity to someone other than Madoka. "turns on her best friend?" she told off Madoka once because incessantly offering sympathy but no assistance. especially when madoka would be able to destroy wtiches with ease, is irritating.
@xshikitty ／人◕ ‿‿ ◕人＼: If your heart had shattered, you would have died of a cardiac arrest, so how... Oh. You're talking about your concept of "grief", am I right? Bah! I don't understand you humans at all. Her death helped stave off the destruction of the entire universe, and still you're lamenting her. Doesn't it make more sense to put the many before the one? She made a poor witch hunter anyways.
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AdrianKile100 14 hours ago
a contract? where do i sign? a wish? always have an ost playing to help me and give courage~~ XD ^^
tchu16 2 days ago
wonderful theme
alexyoshi54 2 weeks ago
Anime of the year, every year.
DerpHerpHero 2 weeks ago 3
This song is so saddddd T ^ T Sayaka chan... :,(
sykuranyuuki98 1 month ago 2
;_;
lunatan11 1 month ago
I wonder, if Sayaka got her act together and killed the source of her sorrow (Hitomi) instead of succumbing to her sorrow, how different would the outcome have been?
mahoshojo03 2 months ago in playlist Favorite videos
@mahoshojo03 The source of her sorrow? I think being turned into a lich and not being able to be together with the guy she loves is the root of the problem, Hitomi was just another nail in the coffin.
And no, as a general rule, I don't think murdering one of your best friends will improve the situation much... :/
903IDFOLEY 1 month ago 3
@mahoshojo03
The outcome would always be the same, even in the new world. Since witches don't exist Mami and Kyoko survive because they were both killed by witches in previous timelines, but in the new world theres no charlotte or octavia so they remain alive. Sayaka didn't get killed by a witch but in all timelines she falls into despair, in the new world you don't turn into a witch when you despair but you either die/ascend to heaven.
Bottom line is she was doomed regardless of what she did
DilzwieldKing 1 month ago 5
@DilzwieldKing and thats gen urobichi never ending trolling to you
roonike2 1 month ago
@DilzwieldKing i agree with u, sayaka died becoz of stupid kyosuke -.-
dina15droubi 4 weeks ago
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@mahoshojo03 ／人◕ ‿‿ ◕人＼: I'm no expert at inter-human relationships, but maybe she just shouldn't have given up on him rather than surrendering him to her rival for no real reason?
Archimonde259 1 month ago
@mahoshojo03 Killing Hitomi probably would have only made things worse. Once Sayaka got past the initial triumph and realized the enormity of what she had done, I think she would have succumbed to despair and become a Witch then and there.
themissncfan 4 weeks ago in playlist Incredible Music
@mahoshojo03
acording to some theories, the red oktavia with the Hitomi-like familiars that was seen in episode 10.
alphamone 1 week ago
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ON THAT DAY... MIKI GOES TO SOVNGARDE...
GordonSkiles 2 months ago
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GordonSkiles 2 months ago
Yes Kyoko was a bitch at first. But then on realising they have a lot in common with her old self, she tried to make peace, spills her guts to her and saved her life at least twice. I would say she deserved a 2nd chance.
As for Homura. In the early timelines and before Homura's personality became so hardened, Sayaka was already distrustful of her. This is a major reason why future Homura never explains anything, as she knows it useless to try (Sayaka) and possibly dangerous (Mami).
903IDFOLEY 2 months ago 8
独りで別アニメの事何度も書き込んでる奴は何なの？馬鹿？
tsutsu8 2 months ago
Fuck Ode to Joy, this is the best music to kill your homosexual lover to.
TheGlassDesert 2 months ago
拓人の病院送りのテーマに合いそう
erieri381 2 months ago
who's the girl with Sayaka?
AphoticLily 2 months ago
@AphoticLily
Her name's Kyoko
plowplum 2 months ago
Sayaka !! :'(
MikiSayakaFan 2 months ago
@MikiSayakaFan im sorry u lost girl who is ur biggest fan :(
dina15droubi 2 months ago
@MikiSayakaFan Sayaka's a bitch and he deserved it.
FreddyMercurysAIDS 2 months ago
@FreddyMercurysAIDS Troll harder.
jkb5954 2 months ago
@jkb5954 Do you think calling a shitty, useless character a bitch is trolling? If so, you're retarded.
FreddyMercurysAIDS 2 months ago
@FreddyMercurysAIDS Yeah, actually it's the very definition of trolling. :/
From Wiki:
In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory,[2] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[3] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.
That's basically exactly what you did. Troll.
strikerk 2 months ago 2
@strikerk "someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages"
It wasn't posted to turn people violent, it was posted as an opinion, and it was completely on topic. Stop browsing gaia and being an all around woman and maybe you wouldn't become bubbling with rage when somebody has a different opinion than you.
FreddyMercurysAIDS 2 months ago
@FreddyMercurysAIDS Yeah, inflammatory, and extraneous "opinion" which did EXACTLY as the definition inquired. The you continue to proceed to insult and otherwise defame the very people you're talking to. Judging by your channel comments this isn't something you're a stranger to. Do us a favor and stop trolling people just to get your jollies off on the net. At least admit what you are. You're that guy, kay? You're the guy that fucks shit up for everyone. Grats to you.
strikerk 2 months ago
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FreddyMercurysAIDS 2 months ago
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FreddyMercurysAIDS 2 months ago
@strikerk Sayaka sucks, get over it
Necropedocoprophilia 2 months ago
@strikerk Basically you're saying any opinion contrary to yours is trolling? Haha, faggot.
FreddyMercurysAIDS 2 months ago
@FreddyMercurysAIDS No, I'm saying you inciting hateful wording and trying to cause a scene is. Just get over it. I'm done feeding you. You're the reason the internet fucking sucks, and you get off on it. Here's your food for the day troll, go fuck yourself. Honestly, you're the reason why abortion should be more readily available to young women.
strikerk 2 months ago
@strikerk "You're the reason the internet fucking sucks"
Get off the internet, then, faggot.
FreddyMercurysAIDS 2 months ago
@FreddyMercurysAIDS ... and leave it to trolls like you? Let me know when you choke and die, and maybe I can take some time off. Till then I'll call you on your bullshit.
strikerk 2 months ago
@strikerk For somebody who knows all about trolls and their purpose, you sure are getting upset.
FreddyMercurysAIDS 2 months ago
@FreddyMercurysAIDS *Shrugs* Not really upset, just bored. I just keep responding to you because I get to hear an awesome song every time I click on the reply button. I win either way. Deal with people like you on a daily basis. It's the same thing every time. Song is a nice reminder for me that regardless of how gross people can be, things can still be worthwhile and beautiful.
strikerk 2 months ago
@strikerk >I win either way
Haha what?
FreddyMercurysAIDS 2 months ago
@FreddyMercurysAIDS Troll
Lardo137 2 months ago
sayaka :' ( why u have to die?!!!!!!
dina15droubi 3 months ago
My favourite theme >w< it's so sad yet so beautiful
poor Sayak ;_; she was too young to die
CrimsonHearts102 3 months ago 3
I am.. Such an İdiot.....T..T
Artemisoneful 3 months ago 7
「そんな・・・キャプテンが・・・」のテーマに合いそうですね。
erieri381 3 months ago
This song kills me, when ever I hear it, I just feel like crying.... Sayaka, Kyoko, those scenes just broke my heart T_T
KyandiitheCat 3 months ago 4
@1232121212321212 Yeah, it's sad that Sayaka always will die no matter what timeline is, she will never be saved..
Pantalaimonish 3 months ago 3
@Pantalaimonish Madoka does "save" her just like she does every Puella Magi. But it's envitable that she will make her wish, which will exclude her from ever attaining the happiness she wanted... Which is probably want you meant.
But at least she got exactly what she wished for... Even if the wish wasn't what she truely wanted, Sayaka pretty much admits that in the end, it was worth it.
903IDFOLEY 3 months ago
@903IDFOLEY It took just a little bit of a brain to actually avoid all this but no, let's ask for our wishes to become true and not ask any questions about why Kyubey is doing it.
Blasthood 3 months ago
@Blasthood That's easy to say in hindsight...
Most of the Puella Magi just naturally assumed this is a typical magic girl show, so QBs motive is the usual love, justice and all that good stuff. With the way the Puella Magi look and how the incubators present themselves, it's fairly obvious QB was deliberately trying to pass over that impression.
903IDFOLEY 3 months ago
@903IDFOLEY Of course he did that, but then again, asking a question would still have been legitimate, plus formulating the wish properly would have helped. I mean like a true contract where you put the conditions but i guess, they put the "only girl" stuff because boys would have actually been more smart and less dependent on emotions?
Blasthood 3 months ago
@Blasthood You've got to be kidding, right? It doesn't matter whether or not if the magical warriors were male or female. Claiming that boys are inherently smarter and less dependent on emotions would be asinine(since males rely on emotion and aggression, I imagine they would have been just as fooled.) Soapbox: Kyubey's point was to rely on an ideal that would have never succeeded in reality.
In essence, all adolescents would have been fooled-they haven't seen reality yet.
jkb5954 3 months ago in playlist jkb5954's favorites
@jkb5954 Haha i guessed someone would come up for that. But anyway mine was just a question for the usual "stereotype". Although choosing females only is kinda meh. In the real world i know it doesn't matter, although a study suggested that males are more inclined towards anger rather than other emotions like the females do. But still the "only female" thing is a bit wierd. I mean i don't think i would have been so gullible with Kyubey <.<
Blasthood 3 months ago
@903IDFOLEY
It also helps that Kyubey often appears to the girls when they're the most emotionally vulnerable and desperate and therefore less likely to ask questions as long as they get results ( coming to Mami when she was about to die, visiting Kyoko when her family was undergoing starvation from poverty, etc.). Madoka's wish goes well due to having time to think about exactly what she wants and knowing fully well the consequences.
plowplum 3 months ago
The sad part about Sayaka is that you know from the beginning she's going to end up on this path.
1232121212321212 4 months ago
神童拓人のイメージ合う曲だ・・・。
erieri381 4 months ago
@erieri381 GJ
DeborahNg24 4 months ago
omg..
those OST's lemme see all does scenes again ; -;
so sad..
Wiccapedro 4 months ago
To be honest, I really disliked Sayaka... Miss Holier than thou. Utter bitch to Kyoko despite her trying to fix things a be friends. Never trusted Homura, making her already near impossible task even more difficult. Turns on her best friend, almost making her sacrifice herself to the same fate...
But then we get the scene at the platform along with this theme... Damn it, she really didn't deserve that...
903IDFOLEY 4 months ago 29
@903IDFOLEY Umm, wasn't Kyoko a bitch to Sayaka first?
Lardo137 2 months ago
@903IDFOLEY Also, who would trust Homura? Its easy to say that in retrospect, but Homura didn't exactly accept others with hugs and smiles. She pops up, effortlessly kills witches, stops fights, and leaves, all without an explanation.
Lardo137 2 months ago
@Lardo137
Homura tried to tell everyone in the past and everyone just accused her of lying. She decided then she would just do it all on her own instead
Phoenixangelgal 2 weeks ago
@Phoenixangelgal I kinda meant in the present tense: who wouldnt be scared of a person with murky motives who slaughters something you barely hurt?
Lardo137 2 weeks ago
@903IDFOLEY Utter bitch to Kyoko? Kyoko was a bitch to everybody first, she even told Sayaka to go and break her lover's arms and legs! Never trusted Homura? WHO DID? Turned on her best friend? That wasn't her fault, it was the corruption in her Soul Gem tainting her soul.
Archimonde259 3 weeks ago 5
@Archimonde259 Someone said exactly the same thing as you and I've already replied a few pages back.
But it's kinda ironic that Kyoko's suggestion was actually a lot closer to what Sayaka SHOULD have wished for. Maybe not going that far as breaking Kyosuke's arms and legs, but if Sayaka just wished she could be by his side forever, then could probably have avoided turning into a witch.
903IDFOLEY 3 weeks ago
@903IDFOLEY Maybe. That wouldn't have avoided her bad conscience over having her soul displaced, though. Odds are she would have felt terrible about dooming him to a life with a soulless lich and turned into a witch anyways. Word of God goes that Sayaka can't be saved, she always falls no matter the circumstances.
Archimonde259 3 weeks ago 5
@Archimonde259 The reason Sayaka can never be saved is exactly because she will always make the same wrong wish to save Kyosuke's hand. And for one reason or another, this will always drive the two apart and ultimately lead Sayaka to dispair.
Goddess Madoka can do nothing for Sayaka until the latter makes her wish and becomes a Puella Magi, but by that time, it would already be too late.
903IDFOLEY 3 weeks ago
@903IDFOLEY
well, we might see different when the game comes out next month, then again, urobuchi warned us that her story might go even worse depending on actions taken. TT
alphamone 2 weeks ago
@alphamone Judging by Word of God I don't think it can be any different... If anything for Sayaka's ending we'll probably get to control Oktavia and slaughter the magical girls. Granted that would be actually pretty awesome.
Archimonde259 1 week ago
@903IDFOLEY
Kyoko was an amoral cunt who's selfish habit of cultivating familiars will have killed dozens of people. Sayaka might have been nicer to Homura if Homura showed an ounce of warmth or humanity to someone other than Madoka. "turns on her best friend?" she told off Madoka once because incessantly offering sympathy but no assistance. especially when madoka would be able to destroy wtiches with ease, is irritating.
kingjamie2 2 days ago
Sayaka... ;w;
TheReinaChan 4 months ago
Her ideal is beautiful, and her fall is pitiful. Life is cruel.
Sujro 4 months ago 37
and Madoka cries in the background...
lepthymo 4 months ago 6
@lepthymo Can you blame her?
AmonDevilman 4 months ago
@AmonDevilman how could i?
lepthymo 4 months ago
SAYAKAAAAA!
EltarPrince 5 months ago
Sayaka-Chan all the way!
PuellaMagiAya 5 months ago
This song is one of the few things that I will outright admit gets an emotional reaction from me, and the only one where that reaction is _sadness_.
fishsiclesify 5 months ago 3
'IF YOU TRY TO KILL ME...BUT THAT DOESN'T HURT AT ALL!'
AliceSonicGundamFan 6 months ago 66
@AliceSonicGundamFan
It's like there's nothing at all!... Nothing at all!
Stupid Flanders...
DilzwieldKing 1 month ago
Sayaka.
Every single time I listen to your theme.
; n ;
LittleRibbons101 6 months ago 2
"Watashi... hontou baka." THAT SCENE SHATTERED MY HEART!
xshikitty 6 months ago 105
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@xshikitty ／人◕ ‿‿ ◕人＼: If your heart had shattered, you would have died of a cardiac arrest, so how... Oh. You're talking about your concept of "grief", am I right? Bah! I don't understand you humans at all. Her death helped stave off the destruction of the entire universe, and still you're lamenting her. Doesn't it make more sense to put the many before the one? She made a poor witch hunter anyways.
Archimonde259 1 month ago
@xshikitty same here T.T
sweetReaper 1 month ago
Easily one of my favorite tracks of the OST.
SetoKaiba182 6 months ago 5
May you rest in peace Sayaka...
ItsJustSugarRawr 6 months ago 7