Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: 33So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. 34Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
Idk I just don't trust the translated very much. For u know the devil has minions to trick us. I apologize if it does say it in the untranslated bible. Not the Latin but Hebrew.
@Kuroneko388 You can trust the Majority Text for God has not left us without His word that can be relied upon. To avoid being tricked or mislead one must study the Word of God by "rightly Dividing" it n accordance with 2 Timothy 2:15. God will not with hold the truth for any sincere student who follows this instruction. Our faith and understanding is based on God's word and not what some other man tries to teach us. Check out Acts 17:11 and be like the Bereans of old. :))
Idk I guess I was mistaken, but the word rapture isn't in there. How will the dead rise if most of them turned to dust? I wonder what the untranslated bible says. Like the Dead Sea scrolls or something. But it does say it'll happen silently and when it's done, we who r believers but not taken will hear noise and trumpets, while the non-believers will only notice the ppl gone after it's happened.
@Kuroneko388 :) It is that blessed hope we have that St. Paul talks about (Titus 2:13) He speaks of it also in 1 Cor. 15:51-54. Those who have died in Christ will rise first and then we who have not died physically will also be caught up with them and the Lord in the sky and there shall we ever be with Him. We will be changed in a "twinkling of an eye", that is instantly! What a blessed hope that is ours who anticipate and look for that blessed event :)
And we attack those who oppose us even alittle. We should pray more and b as shepards to those who r ignorant of the bibles teachings. Did this help any?
@Kuroneko388 Are you being attacked my friend? By whom? To teach from the Word of God and offer instruction for edification to the members of the BOC is not opposing or attacking someone. To teach the Word of God rightly divided (2 Tim 2:15) is God's instructed way to study and teach. Those who do not rightly divide the Word will always be confused and and never grow to understand the greater things that God has provided us in this dispensation of grace, confusing Israel with the Church today.
@bibledoctrine I mean that we're in Revelations. The part about the Rapture is a trick of the devil. The was made up by a man in the 1830's who believed the world was coming to an end back then. To get into Heaven, we would have to shed our earthly bodies b/c it is nothing more than a shell to house our soul. And the evil one is here. Not Obama, someone else who holds power over him. I know it's in this country b/c we hold the eagle, a beast of sorts, high above us as if in worship. And we atta
@Kuroneko388 We are not living in the days foretold in Revelation. All that is written in Rev. will occur in one 7 yr/ period known as the Tribulation, the last week of Daniel's 70 wk prophecy. This last week has been put on hold during this parenthetical age in which we live. These 70 weeks are weeks of years each being 7 yrs. Christ was cut off at the 69th and the 70th would have immediately followed had not God temporarily suspended it. This is what Peter Understood (see Acts 2:16-20). Simple
@Kuroneko388 What is the trick about the Rapture?? Can you be more specific and use scripture? Please explain 1 Thes. 4:15-18 with emphasis on v. 17. What do you believe Paul is talking about here :)
It must b apart of the bible. Death in the air, death in the sea, and death on land. Then come judgement. Remember all o those birds that died without any real cause a few years ago? We r all in the end of days. That new strain of staph infections resistant to antibiotics appearing in Europe is one. As well as the E-coli outbreak in Germany is apart of it also. It does say in revelations half the world's population will b wiped out.
@Kuroneko388 Which end days, the end of the church age or the end days of prophecy? Since we are living in the dispensation of grace and not the prophetic program we cannot tell were we are in the time-line of God. This present age was kept secret in God from the foundation of the world and only revealed to us through the Epistles of Paul (Eph 3:3-9) so there are no signs given for us. What scripture(s) in particular would you point someone to to show differently?
Anyone trying to brainwash christianity into someone else will ALWAYS quote the bible. There is never any real evidance to back up your arguments other than texts taken from that one book. If I wanted to tell everyone Hobbits are real and only used Tolkiens books as the evidance, then I would be branded crazy. I've yet to see any arguments for the existance of god that are NOT based on the words supposedly supplied by the god in question. Intelligance is not a requirement for christianity.
Wow, just a quick note to say my mind might have to be un-blown again. I've begun to look into some of the claims in Zeitgeist, and I'm not sure they stack up. This, of course, doesn't mean the bible is true, just that some of the earlier myths that are claimed to be almost identical might well be made up. That should teach me to check things out more before commenting. I'm also horrified by what I find in the rest of zeitgeist, which I hadn't seen at the time I last posted.
Take it from a living prophet; I know freedeanna from an epic physics debate and he is a true genius. He also has a strong altruistic streak and often feels compelled to share his wisdom. That he would do so in a discussion on theism would qualify in my book-GEB by Hofstadter-as akin to Jesus spending time among the sinners. I read the entire bible-St. James version-one of 27-when I was 13 and it totally confirmed my earlier skepticism. Watch Zeitgeist. It lays out the myths rationally.
@RecursiveProphet Don't know I'm a genius, but thanks so much for the Zeitgeist tip. I had heard bits and pieces about predecessors of Cristian mythology like Mithras, but never saw this before and never saw all this (visible) evidence arrayed so powerfully. Just watched part1 at utube and it blew my mind. Seriously people, RP is a genius! Watch ZEITGEIST. I need to study it more slowly and verify some of the info, but wow, thanks again. The truth will set you free.
Started with some good debunking of the bees nonsense there and I thought I was going to enjoy this, until I realised you wanted to support another piece of superstition instead, the second coming of jesus. What's the difference - no bees - jesus returns? Keep walking by faith. Don't look. Don't think. Ignore science except to debunk superstitions of your choosing. Count the polinators but wait for the return of an already-present dead-reborn man-god-prophet.
@freedeanna Sorry you felt that way but to answer your question is simply this - one s based upon science and the other is based upon faith. There was a time when I too thought of Jesus Christ as superstition and considered myself and atheist. Thank God the eyes of my understanding were opened and I finally came to know the truth. May God open the eyes of your understanding one day so that you may also come to know the truth. In Christ - John
@bibledoctrine But the definition of a superstition is belief in something without evidence, i.e. on faith. So do you believe in JC on faith or because you have evidence, and if on faith, how's that not superstition? Incidentally, I was a mystic most of my life, and then "thank people" one day I saw that everything I believed was a superstition and very probably the notion of god was a human invention. It has evolutionary advantage. Do you believe in scientific evidence, e.g. for evolution?
@freedeanna@freedeanna Superstition is based upon something without evidence but faith is different. The Bible says "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." The word hope in that verse means 'great expectation' and does not mean one wishes for something.
The Bible is full of evidence of the existence of God for anyone who sincerely wishes to know Him.
@bibledoctrine Thanks, bibledoctrine, but I need more clarification. Do you mean that superstitions have no evidence while faith has evidence seen only by a particular person - is that what "evidence not seen" means? Because it seems to me intrinsic to the meaning of "evidence" that somebody sees it. Evidence not seen could be taken as no evidence at all, as it would be in a legal case where evidence is not found. Thanks for sticking with this.
@freedeanna Faith is not entirely without reason for there is plenty of evidence in the Bible for the existence of God. Why creation itself speaks of a Creator and that is why the Bible says "the fool has said in his heart there is no God" I was once myself one of those fools :) The Bible also tells us that faith comes by hearing and that by hearing the Word of God (Bible). There is a reason the Bible is the number one selling book in the world and has been for some time.
@bibledoctrine You say there is evidence in the bible for God. Words on a piece of paper aren't evidence, except of their having been written by a person. If I have a book that says we were put here by aliens, is that evidence for that theory? No, it's just somebody's opinion. The bible is opinion, however sincerely expressed. The second best selling book of all time is Quotations From Chairman Mao Tse-Tung. The Bible outsold it 10-1. Does that make it 10 times truer? Rationalism is thinking.
@freedeanna Man has never produced anything like the Bible. God inspired men to write it. It has never been proven wrong by its critics though many have tried. The fact that the Bible is filled with prophecies that have already been fulfilled is evidence man did not author the book.
You say the Bible is "opinion" but it is not for those who have read and studied it. Have you ever read the and studied the Bible for yourself? If not I would encourage you to do so.
@freedeanna - The Bible gives plenty of evidence that it is the Word of God. Yet one must come to God in Faith for the Bible says it is impossible to please God without faith.
There are those who still believe man has not been to the moon in spite of all the evidence. Because they themselves have not gone there they refuse to believe it. There is a enough evidence to prove it to the reasonable man and yet some still refuse to believe it.
It is the same with the Bible. The evidence is there.
@bibledoctrine You seem unable to follow a rational discussion. What is 'evidence not seen', I ask again. I haven't studied the bible; there have been inumerable creation myths. The bible seems special because you chose it. Objective assessment reveals no statistically significant prophetic success. Psychology describes such confirmation bias in great detail, and why faiths hold different views to the point of warfare while each preaches peace. Did the bible foretell the Crusades?
@freedeanna Please forgive me for not being able to follow you in a rational discussion. We all have our shortcomings. I suggest that before you dismiss something you are not familiar with you get familiar with it first. How can you speak on something you know nothing of?
A good starting place is the book of Romans if your interested. It may open the eyes of your understanding as it did mine :)
The Bible foretold only what God wished to reveal to mankind and many have come to pass. Check it out
@bibledoctrine Asking for forgiveness from me for not being rational is missing the opportunity to wake up from your superstition. You seem to be refusing to assess rationally what you believe. How can I assess the bible if I don't read it? Because I use reason. I could find people who make similar claims for 100 different beliefs. I can use my scientific and historical knowledge to recognise what is based on dogma and superstition. A big clue is the protagonists' deliberate obtuseness.
@freedeanna That is plain silly :) You are arguing something that you have no real information on much like those who refuse to believe man has gone to the moon because they use their reasoning ability.
Had you studied the subject and were able to show me where you believe the Bible is not the inspired word of God I would have listened and then went to check it for out myself. But you simply saying my faith is superstition does not make it so. May you come to know the truth before its to late.
@bibledoctrine It is hard to show the bible is not inspired by God. That there is a God is a hypothesis, and for most rationalists the requirement of evidence lies with the proponent. Otherwise I could trust any idea because I can't find contrary evidence. Even so, many bible passages are easily dismissed as nonsense once science replaces neolithic guesswork as educational methodology. Reason may disprove moon landings; better reason overturns that disproof. That is the point of reasoning.
@freedeanna It appears to me that you are not interested in researching the subject out and have already made up your mind on this. If that is true then your only purpose here is to debate or argue and I am not interested in such an exercise. I truly hope you understand.
@bibledoctrine I haven't made up my mind; I have so far heard no evidence for God that is remotely convincing. My culture is soaked in the bible without me researching it. Perhaps you might offer even one example of evidence for the God-inspired nature of the bible. I fully expect science and reasoning to show why it is wrong, where your dismissal of my arguments amounts to "God did it" and now "I'm not interested in discussion". That attitude shows supersition & dogma. "It is, don't argue." :)
@freedeanna Your reasoning may be flawed and you should consider that as a possibility. God says in the Bible "come let us reason together (Isa 1:18)". There is enough evidence in the Bible for a reasonable person to be able to see the truth and trust the Bible as the Word of God. However if a person is not willing to investigate its validity than they are not willing to reason outside of their own opinion and understanding. Please read Proverbs 16:25 and Romans 1:18-20
@bibledoctrine I agree, my reasoning may be flawed. My thoughts: Romans: A believer bemoans what non-believers get up to. Big deal. Also, this oxymoron, "For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse" reminds me of your 'invisible evidence' argument. Believe in God; you've seen the invisible evidence! ...cont'd...
@bibledoctrine Proverbs: uh, this "There is a way that seems right to a man but in the end it leads to death"? Why ask me to read that? Religion has always been an attempt to cheat death, as JC promised. Humans could never stand the idea of their mortality, so made up a nice 'out' - with a vast array of different methods, deities and creation myths. Biology teaches us that we are hardly different from apes, and just as mortal. Wasn't there a prophecy you were going to share that came true?
@freedeanna@freedeanna Please forgive me for not being able to follow you in a rational discussion. We all have our shortcomings. I suggest that before you dismiss something you are not familiar with you get familiar with it first. How can you speak on something you know nothing of?
A good starting place is the book of Romans if your interested. It may open the eyes of your understanding as it did mine :)
The Bible foretold only what God wished to reveal to mankind and many have come to pass.
Yes they are 2 separate events that occur at separate times. The secret coming called the rapture is where Christ will descend from heaven and we (i.e., the Bod of Christ) will be caught up to Him and remain there with Him and the other is when He returns and sets up His Kingdom of Heaven on Earth with Israel as the head nation and the kingdom will last 1,000 years before the New heaven and New earth are created. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Guitarhero, go do an indepth study on who and when they wrote the bible. Many smart sckeptics have done just that, and are now Christianities greatest champions! One that I can name is Josh McDowell. Many writers of the bible, over the span of thousands of years and no contradictions? 300 prophecies fullfilled?
First, capitalize God. Second, that's just silly. When we sin, we remove ourselves from God, and he can't look upon us. Through Jesus Christ, who died on the cross for our sins, we are saved and forgiven. God is not asking for much. God is asking us to believe that He came into this world to die for our sins and that He is the Son of God. He doesn't want to kill people who don't agree with the Bible, he wants them to come to Him!
Good response Sonolumino8939. I do not understand the reasoning from guitarhero789134. Where does he get the idea God wants to kill people who do not agree with the Bible? In fact He has and is showing great grace to all unbelievers during this age of grace. This age will close one day and then judgment shall be poured out upon those left on the earth. Thanks for the comment.
No problem bibledoctrine. I just find it sad that people come into these debates with no facts, just preconceived notions with no basis in reality. I find it silly that people judge things about which they know nothing. I'm glad you enjoyed the comment. God Bless You!
Guitarhero, that's just not true. "Some dude" did not write the Bible. If you're a Christian, you believe it was inspired by the Holy Spirit. Even if you don't believe in the Holy Spirit, MANY people wrote it. There also is a lot of proof he was crucified, from other historical documents to historians of the day. Why is this so hard for you to believe? And yes, out of respect and proper grammar, God is capitalized.
It's totally ok. This is always a touchy subject and everybody brings a lot of different views to the table. I may not be able to see your point of view, just as you can't view mine. But that's the beauty of debate! I wish you well man, and thanks for that comment.
So god is the sum of himself? Dont you mean Sun of god. And by god dont you mean the world as a whole organism.you lost me when you said "him" as if there is a sexual nature to this "diety" why would "god" be a male or even a female for that matter. You christist types are a bit too literal and dont truly comprehend a message that is roughly 1780 years old. god is not a seperate supernatural force its simply the universe. jesus is a character in the story,not and actual man.Sun of god,think.
Jesus gospel of the Kingdom has not yet happened because when presented to Israel, they rejected it. so the gospel of Grace was given to Paul. The Kingdom will be set up at the Second coming because that is when Israel will turn and believe.
Well said mousey1852. We live in an sign less age today. When this age closes the prophetic program will once again resume to its conclusion. Thank you for commenting.
Rapture is "at the last trump". The trumpet judgments are last, after all the seal and bowl judgments. GOD warns us in Revelation: Persevere! Persevere! Persevere! This, during the tribulation period.
We must persevere with our testimony for Jesus Christ and with our refusal to take the mark.
The last trump Paul talks about is sounded at the end of this present dispensation of grace. The trumpet judgments and others you mention happen during the 7 year tribulation period which occurs after the rapture. The tribulation is a great time of judgment upon the earth and its inhabitants however the Body of Christ is not appointed unto wrath for Paul writes (1 Thessalonians 5:9 KJV) For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,.
TRUE believers will be protected during the Tribulation AND great exploits will be performed by those of us who believe every word of the Bible and are able, by faith and God's love, to receive the Rhema word of God. So, we are not appointed to wrath, BUT this does not "prove" a rapture. It is about being under the eagle's wing while arrows are flying. During the trib, the enemy will kill: "And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them" Rev 13:7 c also Rev 14:12-13
The saints mentioned in Rev 13:7 and 14:12-13 are the redeemed of Israel and not members of the Body of Christ. These saints are mentioned in Daniel 7:21 where we are told - I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;. Since the Body of Christ is not part of the prophetic program these saints cannot refer to the church today. The church today is part of the mystery program revealed to and through Paul - See Eph 3:3-9.
Furthermore I believe every word of the Bible too, I just keep them in context and rightly divide the word of truth. You have failed to see the difference between two different programs, the prophetic program and the mystery program. You have failed to see the difference between Israel and her program with that of the Body of Christ, here in the dispensation of grace. We are not Israel, spiritually or otherwise, and God has not forsaken Israel permanently He has only set her aside temporarily.
The maker of this video is a follower of doctrine. The prophecy ended after jesus doctrine comes from the Catholics who base it on Rev 22- which refers only to the book of Rev itself, not to the body of Christ.
Honeybees are moved in colonies to pollinate crops as they mature in cycle. And butterflies do not pollinate our oranges and almonds! This is done by bees!
The maker of this video is not a follower of doctrine but a follower of Him who gave the doctrine. Have you never read (1 Timothy 1:3 KJV) ...that thou mightest charge some that they teach no other doctrine,. True doctrine is important and false doctrine is to be tested and refused.
You also say that we are not able to observe signs. Well, here is Jesus at Luke 17:37, saying, when you see the bird of prey in the air, you know there is a body beneath. Basically, Jesus is saying, certain things indicate certain other things. Example #2: Matt 24:32
Now a question for you my friend. To whom was Jesus speaking to in Lk 17:37, the Body of Christ? Hardly He was speaking to His disciples who were looking for the earthly kingdom promised to Israel. The Body of Christ is not looking for a earthly kingdom, we are looking to be taken out of the earth. You probably think that Lk 17:26-36 is the rapture. If you do watch my video called Is This The Rapture and you will find out it is not speaking of that event but of judgment.
Thank you morganisaballinbitch for your comment but the evidence does not support what you say. If you could quote from a recognized scientific source your argument would be stronger, but of course you did not do that. It appears perhaps you have bought into the hype. But thanks for watching and taking the time to post.
USA honeybees are dying and many diff species of bees are dying in german. USA has lost like 70% of the honeybees. we need to sit back and accept that the world is ending.
Ahhh a whole bunch of christians running around thinking its the rapture yet continuing to spray your household chemicals. Good work guys!
riceburnagtv 3 weeks ago
Matt 24:32
Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: 33So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. 34Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
Souffra 3 months ago
Idk I just don't trust the translated very much. For u know the devil has minions to trick us. I apologize if it does say it in the untranslated bible. Not the Latin but Hebrew.
Kuroneko388 9 months ago
@Kuroneko388 You can trust the Majority Text for God has not left us without His word that can be relied upon. To avoid being tricked or mislead one must study the Word of God by "rightly Dividing" it n accordance with 2 Timothy 2:15. God will not with hold the truth for any sincere student who follows this instruction. Our faith and understanding is based on God's word and not what some other man tries to teach us. Check out Acts 17:11 and be like the Bereans of old. :))
bibledoctrine 9 months ago
Idk I guess I was mistaken, but the word rapture isn't in there. How will the dead rise if most of them turned to dust? I wonder what the untranslated bible says. Like the Dead Sea scrolls or something. But it does say it'll happen silently and when it's done, we who r believers but not taken will hear noise and trumpets, while the non-believers will only notice the ppl gone after it's happened.
Kuroneko388 9 months ago
@Kuroneko388 :) It is that blessed hope we have that St. Paul talks about (Titus 2:13) He speaks of it also in 1 Cor. 15:51-54. Those who have died in Christ will rise first and then we who have not died physically will also be caught up with them and the Lord in the sky and there shall we ever be with Him. We will be changed in a "twinkling of an eye", that is instantly! What a blessed hope that is ours who anticipate and look for that blessed event :)
bibledoctrine 9 months ago
And we attack those who oppose us even alittle. We should pray more and b as shepards to those who r ignorant of the bibles teachings. Did this help any?
Kuroneko388 9 months ago
@Kuroneko388 Are you being attacked my friend? By whom? To teach from the Word of God and offer instruction for edification to the members of the BOC is not opposing or attacking someone. To teach the Word of God rightly divided (2 Tim 2:15) is God's instructed way to study and teach. Those who do not rightly divide the Word will always be confused and and never grow to understand the greater things that God has provided us in this dispensation of grace, confusing Israel with the Church today.
bibledoctrine 9 months ago
@bibledoctrine I mean that we're in Revelations. The part about the Rapture is a trick of the devil. The was made up by a man in the 1830's who believed the world was coming to an end back then. To get into Heaven, we would have to shed our earthly bodies b/c it is nothing more than a shell to house our soul. And the evil one is here. Not Obama, someone else who holds power over him. I know it's in this country b/c we hold the eagle, a beast of sorts, high above us as if in worship. And we atta
Kuroneko388 9 months ago
@Kuroneko388 We are not living in the days foretold in Revelation. All that is written in Rev. will occur in one 7 yr/ period known as the Tribulation, the last week of Daniel's 70 wk prophecy. This last week has been put on hold during this parenthetical age in which we live. These 70 weeks are weeks of years each being 7 yrs. Christ was cut off at the 69th and the 70th would have immediately followed had not God temporarily suspended it. This is what Peter Understood (see Acts 2:16-20). Simple
bibledoctrine 9 months ago
@Kuroneko388 What is the trick about the Rapture?? Can you be more specific and use scripture? Please explain 1 Thes. 4:15-18 with emphasis on v. 17. What do you believe Paul is talking about here :)
bibledoctrine 9 months ago
It must b apart of the bible. Death in the air, death in the sea, and death on land. Then come judgement. Remember all o those birds that died without any real cause a few years ago? We r all in the end of days. That new strain of staph infections resistant to antibiotics appearing in Europe is one. As well as the E-coli outbreak in Germany is apart of it also. It does say in revelations half the world's population will b wiped out.
Kuroneko388 9 months ago
@Kuroneko388 Which end days, the end of the church age or the end days of prophecy? Since we are living in the dispensation of grace and not the prophetic program we cannot tell were we are in the time-line of God. This present age was kept secret in God from the foundation of the world and only revealed to us through the Epistles of Paul (Eph 3:3-9) so there are no signs given for us. What scripture(s) in particular would you point someone to to show differently?
bibledoctrine 9 months ago
coz of all the shit chemicals we put into the soil goes into the flowers poisening the bees?
mitzdasmovies 1 year ago
@mitzdasmovies Who knows but that could be a possibility. Thank you for watching and commenting.
bibledoctrine 1 year ago 2
@bibledoctrine welcoomee
mitzdasmovies 1 year ago
Honey Bees are not dying off. They are being TAKEN.
petarep 1 year ago
Anyone trying to brainwash christianity into someone else will ALWAYS quote the bible. There is never any real evidance to back up your arguments other than texts taken from that one book. If I wanted to tell everyone Hobbits are real and only used Tolkiens books as the evidance, then I would be branded crazy. I've yet to see any arguments for the existance of god that are NOT based on the words supposedly supplied by the god in question. Intelligance is not a requirement for christianity.
frithgar13 1 year ago
Wow, just a quick note to say my mind might have to be un-blown again. I've begun to look into some of the claims in Zeitgeist, and I'm not sure they stack up. This, of course, doesn't mean the bible is true, just that some of the earlier myths that are claimed to be almost identical might well be made up. That should teach me to check things out more before commenting. I'm also horrified by what I find in the rest of zeitgeist, which I hadn't seen at the time I last posted.
freedeanna 1 year ago
Take it from a living prophet; I know freedeanna from an epic physics debate and he is a true genius. He also has a strong altruistic streak and often feels compelled to share his wisdom. That he would do so in a discussion on theism would qualify in my book-GEB by Hofstadter-as akin to Jesus spending time among the sinners. I read the entire bible-St. James version-one of 27-when I was 13 and it totally confirmed my earlier skepticism. Watch Zeitgeist. It lays out the myths rationally.
RecursiveProphet 1 year ago
@RecursiveProphet Don't know I'm a genius, but thanks so much for the Zeitgeist tip. I had heard bits and pieces about predecessors of Cristian mythology like Mithras, but never saw this before and never saw all this (visible) evidence arrayed so powerfully. Just watched part1 at utube and it blew my mind. Seriously people, RP is a genius! Watch ZEITGEIST. I need to study it more slowly and verify some of the info, but wow, thanks again. The truth will set you free.
freedeanna 1 year ago
Started with some good debunking of the bees nonsense there and I thought I was going to enjoy this, until I realised you wanted to support another piece of superstition instead, the second coming of jesus. What's the difference - no bees - jesus returns? Keep walking by faith. Don't look. Don't think. Ignore science except to debunk superstitions of your choosing. Count the polinators but wait for the return of an already-present dead-reborn man-god-prophet.
freedeanna 1 year ago
@freedeanna Sorry you felt that way but to answer your question is simply this - one s based upon science and the other is based upon faith. There was a time when I too thought of Jesus Christ as superstition and considered myself and atheist. Thank God the eyes of my understanding were opened and I finally came to know the truth. May God open the eyes of your understanding one day so that you may also come to know the truth. In Christ - John
bibledoctrine 1 year ago
@bibledoctrine But the definition of a superstition is belief in something without evidence, i.e. on faith. So do you believe in JC on faith or because you have evidence, and if on faith, how's that not superstition? Incidentally, I was a mystic most of my life, and then "thank people" one day I saw that everything I believed was a superstition and very probably the notion of god was a human invention. It has evolutionary advantage. Do you believe in scientific evidence, e.g. for evolution?
freedeanna 1 year ago
@freedeanna @freedeanna Superstition is based upon something without evidence but faith is different. The Bible says "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." The word hope in that verse means 'great expectation' and does not mean one wishes for something.
The Bible is full of evidence of the existence of God for anyone who sincerely wishes to know Him.
bibledoctrine 1 year ago
@bibledoctrine Thanks, bibledoctrine, but I need more clarification. Do you mean that superstitions have no evidence while faith has evidence seen only by a particular person - is that what "evidence not seen" means? Because it seems to me intrinsic to the meaning of "evidence" that somebody sees it. Evidence not seen could be taken as no evidence at all, as it would be in a legal case where evidence is not found. Thanks for sticking with this.
freedeanna 1 year ago
@freedeanna Faith is not entirely without reason for there is plenty of evidence in the Bible for the existence of God. Why creation itself speaks of a Creator and that is why the Bible says "the fool has said in his heart there is no God" I was once myself one of those fools :) The Bible also tells us that faith comes by hearing and that by hearing the Word of God (Bible). There is a reason the Bible is the number one selling book in the world and has been for some time.
bibledoctrine 1 year ago
@bibledoctrine You say there is evidence in the bible for God. Words on a piece of paper aren't evidence, except of their having been written by a person. If I have a book that says we were put here by aliens, is that evidence for that theory? No, it's just somebody's opinion. The bible is opinion, however sincerely expressed. The second best selling book of all time is Quotations From Chairman Mao Tse-Tung. The Bible outsold it 10-1. Does that make it 10 times truer? Rationalism is thinking.
freedeanna 1 year ago
@freedeanna Man has never produced anything like the Bible. God inspired men to write it. It has never been proven wrong by its critics though many have tried. The fact that the Bible is filled with prophecies that have already been fulfilled is evidence man did not author the book.
You say the Bible is "opinion" but it is not for those who have read and studied it. Have you ever read the and studied the Bible for yourself? If not I would encourage you to do so.
bibledoctrine 1 year ago
@freedeanna - The Bible gives plenty of evidence that it is the Word of God. Yet one must come to God in Faith for the Bible says it is impossible to please God without faith.
There are those who still believe man has not been to the moon in spite of all the evidence. Because they themselves have not gone there they refuse to believe it. There is a enough evidence to prove it to the reasonable man and yet some still refuse to believe it.
It is the same with the Bible. The evidence is there.
bibledoctrine 1 year ago
@bibledoctrine You seem unable to follow a rational discussion. What is 'evidence not seen', I ask again. I haven't studied the bible; there have been inumerable creation myths. The bible seems special because you chose it. Objective assessment reveals no statistically significant prophetic success. Psychology describes such confirmation bias in great detail, and why faiths hold different views to the point of warfare while each preaches peace. Did the bible foretell the Crusades?
freedeanna 1 year ago
@freedeanna Please forgive me for not being able to follow you in a rational discussion. We all have our shortcomings. I suggest that before you dismiss something you are not familiar with you get familiar with it first. How can you speak on something you know nothing of?
A good starting place is the book of Romans if your interested. It may open the eyes of your understanding as it did mine :)
The Bible foretold only what God wished to reveal to mankind and many have come to pass. Check it out
bibledoctrine 1 year ago
@bibledoctrine Asking for forgiveness from me for not being rational is missing the opportunity to wake up from your superstition. You seem to be refusing to assess rationally what you believe. How can I assess the bible if I don't read it? Because I use reason. I could find people who make similar claims for 100 different beliefs. I can use my scientific and historical knowledge to recognise what is based on dogma and superstition. A big clue is the protagonists' deliberate obtuseness.
freedeanna 1 year ago
@freedeanna That is plain silly :) You are arguing something that you have no real information on much like those who refuse to believe man has gone to the moon because they use their reasoning ability.
Had you studied the subject and were able to show me where you believe the Bible is not the inspired word of God I would have listened and then went to check it for out myself. But you simply saying my faith is superstition does not make it so. May you come to know the truth before its to late.
bibledoctrine 1 year ago
@bibledoctrine It is hard to show the bible is not inspired by God. That there is a God is a hypothesis, and for most rationalists the requirement of evidence lies with the proponent. Otherwise I could trust any idea because I can't find contrary evidence. Even so, many bible passages are easily dismissed as nonsense once science replaces neolithic guesswork as educational methodology. Reason may disprove moon landings; better reason overturns that disproof. That is the point of reasoning.
freedeanna 1 year ago
@freedeanna It appears to me that you are not interested in researching the subject out and have already made up your mind on this. If that is true then your only purpose here is to debate or argue and I am not interested in such an exercise. I truly hope you understand.
bibledoctrine 1 year ago
@bibledoctrine I haven't made up my mind; I have so far heard no evidence for God that is remotely convincing. My culture is soaked in the bible without me researching it. Perhaps you might offer even one example of evidence for the God-inspired nature of the bible. I fully expect science and reasoning to show why it is wrong, where your dismissal of my arguments amounts to "God did it" and now "I'm not interested in discussion". That attitude shows supersition & dogma. "It is, don't argue." :)
freedeanna 1 year ago
@freedeanna Your reasoning may be flawed and you should consider that as a possibility. God says in the Bible "come let us reason together (Isa 1:18)". There is enough evidence in the Bible for a reasonable person to be able to see the truth and trust the Bible as the Word of God. However if a person is not willing to investigate its validity than they are not willing to reason outside of their own opinion and understanding. Please read Proverbs 16:25 and Romans 1:18-20
bibledoctrine 1 year ago
@bibledoctrine I agree, my reasoning may be flawed. My thoughts: Romans: A believer bemoans what non-believers get up to. Big deal. Also, this oxymoron, "For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse" reminds me of your 'invisible evidence' argument. Believe in God; you've seen the invisible evidence! ...cont'd...
freedeanna 1 year ago
@bibledoctrine Proverbs: uh, this "There is a way that seems right to a man but in the end it leads to death"? Why ask me to read that? Religion has always been an attempt to cheat death, as JC promised. Humans could never stand the idea of their mortality, so made up a nice 'out' - with a vast array of different methods, deities and creation myths. Biology teaches us that we are hardly different from apes, and just as mortal. Wasn't there a prophecy you were going to share that came true?
freedeanna 1 year ago
@freedeanna @freedeanna Please forgive me for not being able to follow you in a rational discussion. We all have our shortcomings. I suggest that before you dismiss something you are not familiar with you get familiar with it first. How can you speak on something you know nothing of?
A good starting place is the book of Romans if your interested. It may open the eyes of your understanding as it did mine :)
The Bible foretold only what God wished to reveal to mankind and many have come to pass.
bibledoctrine 1 year ago
I had not realized that second coming and the rapture were separate events I plan to study this some more. Thanks for the insight. God bless
fefe7774 2 years ago
@fefe7774
Yes they are 2 separate events that occur at separate times. The secret coming called the rapture is where Christ will descend from heaven and we (i.e., the Bod of Christ) will be caught up to Him and remain there with Him and the other is when He returns and sets up His Kingdom of Heaven on Earth with Israel as the head nation and the kingdom will last 1,000 years before the New heaven and New earth are created. Thanks for watching and commenting.
bibledoctrine 2 years ago
yet another sign.
man,damn.
loveub88 2 years ago
I saw Jesus in this video!
elmonious 2 years ago
Guitarhero, go do an indepth study on who and when they wrote the bible. Many smart sckeptics have done just that, and are now Christianities greatest champions! One that I can name is Josh McDowell. Many writers of the bible, over the span of thousands of years and no contradictions? 300 prophecies fullfilled?
Seek and you shall find bro.
God Bless
J0Gu7 2 years ago
if god was real why would he want to kill people who simply didn't agree with the bible?
guitarhero789134 2 years ago
First, capitalize God. Second, that's just silly. When we sin, we remove ourselves from God, and he can't look upon us. Through Jesus Christ, who died on the cross for our sins, we are saved and forgiven. God is not asking for much. God is asking us to believe that He came into this world to die for our sins and that He is the Son of God. He doesn't want to kill people who don't agree with the Bible, he wants them to come to Him!
Sonolumino8939 2 years ago
Good response Sonolumino8939. I do not understand the reasoning from guitarhero789134. Where does he get the idea God wants to kill people who do not agree with the Bible? In fact He has and is showing great grace to all unbelievers during this age of grace. This age will close one day and then judgment shall be poured out upon those left on the earth. Thanks for the comment.
bibledoctrine 2 years ago
No problem bibledoctrine. I just find it sad that people come into these debates with no facts, just preconceived notions with no basis in reality. I find it silly that people judge things about which they know nothing. I'm glad you enjoyed the comment. God Bless You!
Sonolumino8939 2 years ago
BULL! The bible is just some book some dude wrote to feel special. Theres no proof he was crusified anyway.
P.S. god doesnt have to be capitalized
guitarhero789134 2 years ago
Guitarhero, that's just not true. "Some dude" did not write the Bible. If you're a Christian, you believe it was inspired by the Holy Spirit. Even if you don't believe in the Holy Spirit, MANY people wrote it. There also is a lot of proof he was crucified, from other historical documents to historians of the day. Why is this so hard for you to believe? And yes, out of respect and proper grammar, God is capitalized.
Sonolumino8939 2 years ago 2
really i shouldn't have been so cocky. I shouldn't have argued with your opinions and beliefs. I apologize
guitarhero789134 2 years ago
It's totally ok. This is always a touchy subject and everybody brings a lot of different views to the table. I may not be able to see your point of view, just as you can't view mine. But that's the beauty of debate! I wish you well man, and thanks for that comment.
Sonolumino8939 2 years ago
So god is the sum of himself? Dont you mean Sun of god. And by god dont you mean the world as a whole organism.you lost me when you said "him" as if there is a sexual nature to this "diety" why would "god" be a male or even a female for that matter. You christist types are a bit too literal and dont truly comprehend a message that is roughly 1780 years old. god is not a seperate supernatural force its simply the universe. jesus is a character in the story,not and actual man.Sun of god,think.
Xen5s 2 years ago
The Bible isthe Word of God. If you deny the authenticity of the bible, you deny the truthness of God.
melaygrovecourt 2 years ago
All i can say is,"HELP US LORD"!, thats alli wanted to say,good bye now. :-)
Sprauge99 3 years ago
Jesus gospel of the Kingdom has not yet happened because when presented to Israel, they rejected it. so the gospel of Grace was given to Paul. The Kingdom will be set up at the Second coming because that is when Israel will turn and believe.
mousey1952 3 years ago
Well said mousey1852. We live in an sign less age today. When this age closes the prophetic program will once again resume to its conclusion. Thank you for commenting.
bibledoctrine 3 years ago
I am already among you, you have eyes and yet you do not see, ears and yet you do not hear!
maxrome67 3 years ago
Rapture is "at the last trump". The trumpet judgments are last, after all the seal and bowl judgments. GOD warns us in Revelation: Persevere! Persevere! Persevere! This, during the tribulation period.
We must persevere with our testimony for Jesus Christ and with our refusal to take the mark.
KnowJesusKnowPeace 3 years ago
The last trump Paul talks about is sounded at the end of this present dispensation of grace. The trumpet judgments and others you mention happen during the 7 year tribulation period which occurs after the rapture. The tribulation is a great time of judgment upon the earth and its inhabitants however the Body of Christ is not appointed unto wrath for Paul writes (1 Thessalonians 5:9 KJV) For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,.
bibledoctrine 3 years ago
TRUE believers will be protected during the Tribulation AND great exploits will be performed by those of us who believe every word of the Bible and are able, by faith and God's love, to receive the Rhema word of God. So, we are not appointed to wrath, BUT this does not "prove" a rapture. It is about being under the eagle's wing while arrows are flying. During the trib, the enemy will kill: "And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them" Rev 13:7 c also Rev 14:12-13
KnowJesusKnowPeace 3 years ago
The saints mentioned in Rev 13:7 and 14:12-13 are the redeemed of Israel and not members of the Body of Christ. These saints are mentioned in Daniel 7:21 where we are told - I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;. Since the Body of Christ is not part of the prophetic program these saints cannot refer to the church today. The church today is part of the mystery program revealed to and through Paul - See Eph 3:3-9.
bibledoctrine 3 years ago
Furthermore I believe every word of the Bible too, I just keep them in context and rightly divide the word of truth. You have failed to see the difference between two different programs, the prophetic program and the mystery program. You have failed to see the difference between Israel and her program with that of the Body of Christ, here in the dispensation of grace. We are not Israel, spiritually or otherwise, and God has not forsaken Israel permanently He has only set her aside temporarily.
bibledoctrine 3 years ago
The maker of this video is a follower of doctrine. The prophecy ended after jesus doctrine comes from the Catholics who base it on Rev 22- which refers only to the book of Rev itself, not to the body of Christ.
Honeybees are moved in colonies to pollinate crops as they mature in cycle. And butterflies do not pollinate our oranges and almonds! This is done by bees!
KnowJesusKnowPeace 3 years ago
The maker of this video is not a follower of doctrine but a follower of Him who gave the doctrine. Have you never read (1 Timothy 1:3 KJV) ...that thou mightest charge some that they teach no other doctrine,. True doctrine is important and false doctrine is to be tested and refused.
bibledoctrine 3 years ago
You also say that we are not able to observe signs. Well, here is Jesus at Luke 17:37, saying, when you see the bird of prey in the air, you know there is a body beneath. Basically, Jesus is saying, certain things indicate certain other things. Example #2: Matt 24:32
KnowJesusKnowPeace 3 years ago
Now a question for you my friend. To whom was Jesus speaking to in Lk 17:37, the Body of Christ? Hardly He was speaking to His disciples who were looking for the earthly kingdom promised to Israel. The Body of Christ is not looking for a earthly kingdom, we are looking to be taken out of the earth. You probably think that Lk 17:26-36 is the rapture. If you do watch my video called Is This The Rapture and you will find out it is not speaking of that event but of judgment.
bibledoctrine 3 years ago
Thank you morganisaballinbitch for your comment but the evidence does not support what you say. If you could quote from a recognized scientific source your argument would be stronger, but of course you did not do that. It appears perhaps you have bought into the hype. But thanks for watching and taking the time to post.
bibledoctrine 3 years ago
USA honeybees are dying and many diff species of bees are dying in german. USA has lost like 70% of the honeybees. we need to sit back and accept that the world is ending.
morganisaballinbitch 3 years ago