how many f15s did su27 kill? (in real air combat?)
i do not believe training exercises, airshow dogfight results becoz they can be a ploy by any military power to misinform the enemy of a fighter's real capabilities. who would be dumb enough to wave around his true capabilities? (except if you're so drunk on your ego and vodka)
hype or specs don't win battles. it is plane, pilot skill, avionics, reliable armament, advance intelligence, logistics, the whole works.
The F-15 is the most beautiful fighter jet I think lookswise in history. It sure probably reigned supreme during the Cold War era, probably the SU-27 was the closest thing as a rival.
I got told that in the first Gulf War Eagle drivers waited for the Iraq pilots to take off before shooting em down so that it would count as a Air to air victory instead of a ground attack
@AMRAAMMissiles I have my reasons to doubt the 104-0 kill ratio since Israelis lost 3 F-15s in Bekaa valley. The Israelis said all 3 were lost die to malfunctions although I honestly doubt it. That still makes a 34-1 ratio. Still. But I stand by my comments that its not the best in the world but the MOST SUCCESSFUL. That success was in large part due to being used against opponent thats 15 years obsolete in every way. The MiG-29 that some'll mention were lucky to even take off due to no upkeep.
And how many of these kills was turkey shoots? Not many fighters flying today have been combat tested in a scenario where one side didn't have an overwhelming advantage in terms of numbers, superior tactics. training, missiles and support of AWACS and jammers. I have to put my money on the old trusty F-86. A good record against MiG's, and for it's time that was not an easy task.
@q10800 The fact that 9 losses against F-15's proves pretty good my point sir. The ex-german luftwaffe MiG-29 pilots said in combat with the F-16 and MiG-29, the MiG's had no chance against the F-16 when they had AMRAAM's like normal. but when it came to dogfight the MiG-29 was much better. however 80% of all A-A kills is made in the BVR combat.
The F-16s and MiG-29s both would detect each other on the radar screen at comparable range. The outcome had more to do with outdated Russian semi-active missiles which a range of 24 km and that needed target illumination on a single targets until impact. During lock-on attempts all other contacts was lost. Clearly, the AMRAAM equipped birds had a rather huge advantage. As far as the real MIG-29 kills go, they were in Serbia and Iraq, hardly a fair fight taking place either place.
During the cold war both the planes were developed to counter each other and both were said to be basically the same on the basis of specs. and tasks. The German MIG-29A birds would have faced block F-16A.'s in their glory days, both very agile primarily dog fighters made to excel over all earlier aircraft in their category.
@knutgordon The MiG-29 was more maneurable, but it had a horrible cockpit layout, bad vision, and lacked good avionics, the radar was also poor, if you flew 4 aircraft in a line formation against the MiG-29's, the MiG-29's would only be able to lock onto the first aircraft in the line.
Main drawbacks was limited range, high pilot workload, analog electronics, and poor durability engines.
Still the plane was a major improvement over the the MIG -21 and MIG-23 and feared by NATO analyst's. Keep in mind that the falcons flying around in Europe at the time could not handle BVR missiles such as the Sparrow, Sky flash or AIM-120 and did not have helmet mounted sight with the ability to target aircrafts well off bore sight..
@knutgordon Yes, the luftwaffe MiG-29 pilots said it was easy with the HMCS, but the Aim-120 was too much for them. remember that the MiG-29's did not have long time in service before the cold war ended, and there was also F-15's in Europe at that time, but then there was Su-27s on the other hand.
As per the "best jet fighter in aviation history" ...I'd say that honour would have to go to the F-86 long before it went to the F-15. The F-86 was the single machine preventing communist air superiority (and, therein, likely the loss of the war) in Korea, whereas the combat accomplishments of the F-15, while impressive, have never been completely beyond the capabilities of other contemporary machines; F-14, F-16, F/A-18, Mirage 2000, Su-27, Tornado F3, to name a few.
@scski14 If your ride was an ill-maintained, thirty-odd year-old export variant of the MiG-21 with no beyond-visual-range combat capability and a Vietnam-era radar having a range of only fifteen nautical miles (and, in any event, blinded by modern jamming), you wouldn't want to fly either. The F-4 could have achieved what the F-15 did in Iraq; the weight of allied numbers and electronic warfare support were simply overwhelming.
You know, in a mock battle 2 F-22's destroyed about 10 F-15s. The F-15 pilot said they never even saw the F-22s. Still though, a REALLY awesome plane.
Did anybody see the SU30MKl at Nellis,AFB (red flag) Beat up on the F-15s with a kill Ratio of 30 to 1 over the F-15s , the F-15s had no chance against them ...:)
US planes never fought against contemporary russian counterparts, except for Korea where the Mig15 was the king of the sky. All what F15`s managed to shot down is a bunch of 3rd gen. fighters, ground attak, transports and some downgraded Mig29`s deprived of spare parts and lacking over 10 years of maintenance. When F15 and F16 went against Su30`s and version is joint USAF-Indian exercises they lost every time
@stalingradComando 78 sabres were lost while over 500 MiGs Were down also Iraq was recieving parts for thier MiG 29s up to the collapse of the USSR but the Eagles still Ruled the sky. The Su 30s beat the F-16 but not the F-15s. Your little cobra manuver may work against something like an F-16 or Eurofighter but against an apponent with a superior power to wieght ratio its tantamount to suicide :)
and seeing as hoiw The Su 30MK had its first flight 15 years after the F-15 C I wonder what your definition of "contemporary" is (plus its an Indian Fighter)
Eagle did not rule the sky, especially with the USSR having over 300 Su27`s which are several times more maneuvrable. Su30s beated both improved F15`s and F16`s. The only chance you have against them is the F22
@stalingradComando every war they fought in the F-15 gained air supremacy. The Indian Su 30MK is a 4.5 generation fighter equivalent to the Su 35. And if you recall all of those joint exercises were dogfights while in modern warefare 2/3 of all kills are Beyond visual range
Su35 is a 4++ generation fighter, just like Mig35. The Su30 is a 4+ gen, so there actually is a difference. If you really think that the IRBIS-E/BARS and AL-31/117S are the same thing then you can`t make the diffrence between an Su30 and an Su35 at all. I am pretty sure that the F15 wouldn`t have gained air superiority if there were Su27 to face it
@stalingradComando no the Su 37 is a 4th generation ++ fighter, the Su 35/Su 30 MK (IAF plane) is a 4th generation + fighter while the Su 30 is a 4th generation fighter. In a dogfight the Flanker variants may have the advantage but in a BVR fight the F-15s superior speed would give it the edge (and most fights are BVR)
Su37 is nothing more than a converted 1st gen Su35 with multiaxis TV nozzles. The 2nd gen Su35 is 4++ gen fighter even more advanced than the Su37 and that`s why it never entered service. Su30s still have an advantag over F15 even in BVR combat. They have longer ranged weapons and more powerful radars. The Su30 is a Mach 2.35+ class fighter so speed is not a decisive advanatage
@stalingradComando no, look it up the Su 35 in a 4th+ fighter and our Aim 7 missiles can out range yours. Only recently did china test a variety that could outpace it. Plus those F-15s that fought the Indian Su 30MK were the older C versions from over 30 years ago. We've got the newer E and upcoming SE versions :)
no you look it up. Just type in 2nd gen. Su35 or Su35BM, Su35S or whaterver you want to call it. Sparrow sucks by the way. It`s already being phased out With a similar kill probability you will never get a BVR kill on an Su30 or any of its derivatives. Just do some research about the R77. USAF tried everything they had (Except for the F22, I am not sure about that) against the Su30 including F16 Block 60 (so called 4+ gen) and they failed
@stalingradComando The F-22 raped it in the simulations. Sorry I meant AIM 120 missles. They didn't try the 4+ generation F-15Es But in 2 months we'll have a 4th generation ++ aircraft that could easily beat it- the F-15 SE
nope. The F15SE is aimed at current F15 operators. It`s not for domestic usage. F22 raped the Su30? Wait until they revice Sukhoi/HAL FGFA`s and bring it back again
No, there isn`t any of them. But there an unarmed PAK FA prototype, which is not even the definitive version. There will be more soon and in 2013 they will enter in service. That`s way faster than your F35 which has been delayed again
There are only 18 because they never singed any contract for the delivery of Su35`s to the airforce. Just like Su47s and MKIs. The only and first order for the delivery of 48 Su35S to the airforce was singed only 2 years ago
before 2015? I don`t think so. It took you 15 years to develop the F22. Even if you start a 6th gen. fighter program today you will not have any of them until 2025
And by the way, the Su35S was introduced in 2005, just like the F22
@stalingradComando the Su 35 first flew 22 years ago but its not in production yet. Do you honestly believe the PAK FA will go into production in 2015
@stalingradComando I mean the F-15 E would be a fair match for the Su 35, probably not he BM version but thats why we're coming out with our 4th generation ++ F-15SE
Worng again. The F15E sucks compared to the Su35BM. Why?
Well the Irbis E is much more powerful than the The APG-70 and even the new AN/APG-82 and the Su35 can also be eqquiped with an L band AESA radar. Su35 has vectored thrust thus making it several times more maneuvrable and even supersonic cruise and even better ECM and avionics. The F15E has no chance at all. It dosen`t hava a chance against the MKI either
@stalingradComando Actually Irbis E is not as good as American radars - it is still phase based radar therefore rather easy to jam - and as with all phasers, farther the target is away, more likely it will haul up . L band AESA is still in development for NIIP/NIIR - while Americans have already have more than 12 different versions of AESA for F-15,16,18,22, and 35. F-15E has much better electronic systems then Su-35BM and higher suervivalbility against Su-30 and Su-35.
Imposssible. The only plane that is more maneuvrable than the 35BM is the PAK FA. And in terms of detection the Irbis-E radar is currently second only to the F22s`s APG 77 and that with a very small diference. It`s more likely to jam? It dosen`t matter as long as the Flanker has anti-radiation missiles
@stalingradComando Actually F-16E and Blok60 and above are far more manueverable than Su-35BM due to its thrust-weight is governed by automatic output control system. F-22 has much better system. APG-80 and 81 has far superior detection and sensor allocation than Irbis-E. Irbis-E is phasic therefore it is easy to jam since phase shift has definite ambience for jammer to target. Russian industry has a long way to catch up to the US or Western radar technology to the date.
BETTER MANEUVRABILITY MY ASS. Ever heared of thrust vectoring? Or at least do you realise thant the Flanker a FAR more maneuvrable design than all af your planes?
THE APG-80 IS FAR SUPERIOR MY ASS. IT`s significantly inferior in terms of detection
@stalingradComando TVC was has already has been done with USAF & NASA since early 1980's - and current F-18E/F to India has option of TVC. But Americans and other Western countries concluded that TVC manuever is useless in dogfight. Su-30 &35 was equipped with TVC due to belief that aircraft's nose must point to a certain direction to shoot - however, American uses helmet mounted off-bore sight system (Aim-9X or Python 5) that allows upto 220 degree fire within 15~20 miles radius.
@stalingradComando Russian NIIP/NIIR still lacks the detection fidelity behind the American counterparts. Its main problem is in the phasic variance compensation - since the radar has "Phase (Russian radars are commonly phase-based radars)" its wave definition is easily detected and countered by jammers. Though they have long range, jamming has always been the problem - to solve this issue, Russians just added more antennas - like they did in Mig-31 to burn through jammings.
@stalingradComando ALso, TVC bleeds off the energy - so although it gives higher Angle of attack, it sacrifices its manueverbility (by reducing speed and lengthening the recovery time). This is more apparant in Su-30 series - and Indian Airforce has strict regulation now in close range dog-fight manuever, they are forbidden to use TVC manueverings.
The f 22 raptor is like the lamborghini of the fighter Jet world we need this amazing fighter in survice ! i would say in this case the rookie would beat the legend
@pastagage and what is the Su-33's kill ratio F-15 is 104-0 last i checked if the Su-33 dosent have a better record than that it is not better than the F-15 the F-22 would probably whoop both planes but as it is yet to be bloodied in combat i cant say for certain
@pastagage i find wikipedia unreliable because anyone can open an account and change any article for propaganda value if the plane a has never been bloodied in combat all the test fights and simulations mean nothing . and your right about one thing an inexpeirenced pilot in an F-15 could be beat by any plane with an expierenced pilot at the controls.
Is ... or was. I wonder who would win in an air superiority 1 on 1-- F-15 or F-22A? Isn't conventional wisdom that the F-15 would not see the F-22A on their radar?
i dont have anything yet on the globemaster,but that would be a good video to make.. i will work my way towards making some transport aircraft videos in the future.
IT'S (G1) STARSCREAM!!!
TPDManiacXC626 3 months ago
how many f15s did su27 kill? (in real air combat?)
i do not believe training exercises, airshow dogfight results becoz they can be a ploy by any military power to misinform the enemy of a fighter's real capabilities. who would be dumb enough to wave around his true capabilities? (except if you're so drunk on your ego and vodka)
hype or specs don't win battles. it is plane, pilot skill, avionics, reliable armament, advance intelligence, logistics, the whole works.
roycosing 4 months ago
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roycosing 4 months ago
This killer can fly on 1 FUCKING WING! 1!
Aviation2001 6 months ago
This was the king until the Su-27 came along :(. But it's still a good'ol Mig killer!
BusinessKi11ER 7 months ago
The F-15 is the most beautiful fighter jet I think lookswise in history. It sure probably reigned supreme during the Cold War era, probably the SU-27 was the closest thing as a rival.
kwmkc13 9 months ago
@kwmkc13 Of all US planes i would choose the F-14 for beauty
Spetsnazovets 9 months ago
@Spetsnazovets
I always thought that an F-14 looked like an F-15 that landed too hard.
shadownor 5 months ago
@shadownor LOL I can see how THAT can work :D
Spetsnazovets 5 months ago
I got told that in the first Gulf War Eagle drivers waited for the Iraq pilots to take off before shooting em down so that it would count as a Air to air victory instead of a ground attack
That is hilarious
FlashKatIV 9 months ago
There's Star Scream, Thunder Cracker and Sky Warp....:)
ignastius50 9 months ago
@ignastius50 Very nice memory :)
Spetsnazovets 8 months ago
its the best because its seen the most action...
tadanorm 9 months ago
F-15 is not the BEST in the world. More appropriate word would probably be most successful, with some caveats
Spetsnazovets 10 months ago
@Spetsnazovets 30 years and still counting... 104-0... I don't think any fighter plane nowdays and in the future will be able to beat this record...
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@AMRAAMMissiles I have my reasons to doubt the 104-0 kill ratio since Israelis lost 3 F-15s in Bekaa valley. The Israelis said all 3 were lost die to malfunctions although I honestly doubt it. That still makes a 34-1 ratio. Still. But I stand by my comments that its not the best in the world but the MOST SUCCESSFUL. That success was in large part due to being used against opponent thats 15 years obsolete in every way. The MiG-29 that some'll mention were lucky to even take off due to no upkeep.
Spetsnazovets 9 months ago
And how many of these kills was turkey shoots? Not many fighters flying today have been combat tested in a scenario where one side didn't have an overwhelming advantage in terms of numbers, superior tactics. training, missiles and support of AWACS and jammers. I have to put my money on the old trusty F-86. A good record against MiG's, and for it's time that was not an easy task.
knutgordon 10 months ago
Don't worry the Su-27 will own him anyway.
USAFBuster 11 months ago
watch my F-15 eagle video made in HD
VitoAndoliniCarlayun 11 months ago
Two bad it can't come with decent engines.
P&W TF30's are so crappy. This machine would fly all right with GE J79's. Better with GE F110's. TF30's can lock up at any time. It's too bad.
AugustusLarch 11 months ago
When I have my own country, I'm going to order some jet fighters.
Microglia1 11 months ago
best.. if we delete Su-27 from the entire history... lucky f-15 never fought against a su-27.... no yet.
orlandothx 11 months ago
not impressive
q10800 1 year ago
@q10800 Why not impressive, 104-0 undefeated.
JVC7400 1 year ago
@JVC7400 what 104-0? where and how?
q10800 1 year ago
@q10800 The F-15 has shot down 104 enemy planes, none have been lost. more than 50 of the kills were by the Israelians.
JVC7400 1 year ago
@JVC7400 incorrect comparison
q10800 1 year ago
@q10800 comparrison? the F-15 has shot down 9 MiG-29's.
JVC7400 1 year ago
@JVC7400 MiG-29 - lightweight fighter, the F-15 heavy it is appropriate to compare the Su-27, the more the Arabs will never fly could not
q10800 1 year ago
@q10800 The fact that 9 losses against F-15's proves pretty good my point sir. The ex-german luftwaffe MiG-29 pilots said in combat with the F-16 and MiG-29, the MiG's had no chance against the F-16 when they had AMRAAM's like normal. but when it came to dogfight the MiG-29 was much better. however 80% of all A-A kills is made in the BVR combat.
JVC7400 1 year ago
@JVC7400
The F-16s and MiG-29s both would detect each other on the radar screen at comparable range. The outcome had more to do with outdated Russian semi-active missiles which a range of 24 km and that needed target illumination on a single targets until impact. During lock-on attempts all other contacts was lost. Clearly, the AMRAAM equipped birds had a rather huge advantage. As far as the real MIG-29 kills go, they were in Serbia and Iraq, hardly a fair fight taking place either place.
knutgordon 10 months ago
@knutgordon That may be unfair, but you cant really say the MiG-29 was better than the F-16 in the history-term...
JVC7400 10 months ago
@JVC7400
During the cold war both the planes were developed to counter each other and both were said to be basically the same on the basis of specs. and tasks. The German MIG-29A birds would have faced block F-16A.'s in their glory days, both very agile primarily dog fighters made to excel over all earlier aircraft in their category.
knutgordon 10 months ago
@knutgordon The MiG-29 was more maneurable, but it had a horrible cockpit layout, bad vision, and lacked good avionics, the radar was also poor, if you flew 4 aircraft in a line formation against the MiG-29's, the MiG-29's would only be able to lock onto the first aircraft in the line.
JVC7400 10 months ago
@JVC7400
Main drawbacks was limited range, high pilot workload, analog electronics, and poor durability engines.
Still the plane was a major improvement over the the MIG -21 and MIG-23 and feared by NATO analyst's. Keep in mind that the falcons flying around in Europe at the time could not handle BVR missiles such as the Sparrow, Sky flash or AIM-120 and did not have helmet mounted sight with the ability to target aircrafts well off bore sight..
knutgordon 10 months ago
@knutgordon Yes, the luftwaffe MiG-29 pilots said it was easy with the HMCS, but the Aim-120 was too much for them. remember that the MiG-29's did not have long time in service before the cold war ended, and there was also F-15's in Europe at that time, but then there was Su-27s on the other hand.
JVC7400 10 months ago
" The Sound of Freedom "
MrJeffreydunson 1 year ago
even chuck noris dosen't fuck with the f-15.
everythingman987 1 year ago
@everythingman987 Actually, Chuck Norris eats one of these for breakfast, every day! :D
qwerty0987654321zxcv 1 year ago
As per the "best jet fighter in aviation history" ...I'd say that honour would have to go to the F-86 long before it went to the F-15. The F-86 was the single machine preventing communist air superiority (and, therein, likely the loss of the war) in Korea, whereas the combat accomplishments of the F-15, while impressive, have never been completely beyond the capabilities of other contemporary machines; F-14, F-16, F/A-18, Mirage 2000, Su-27, Tornado F3, to name a few.
l2ealllllyyy 1 year ago
F-15 is one MEAN but SEXY looking fighter. Undeafeted, and flawless.
TTDMFfreaknew 1 year ago
Is it true that when the US invaded Iraq the Iraqi royal airforce refused to fly because they were so afraid of F15's? This plane is fucking awesome.
scski14 1 year ago
@scski14 If your ride was an ill-maintained, thirty-odd year-old export variant of the MiG-21 with no beyond-visual-range combat capability and a Vietnam-era radar having a range of only fifteen nautical miles (and, in any event, blinded by modern jamming), you wouldn't want to fly either. The F-4 could have achieved what the F-15 did in Iraq; the weight of allied numbers and electronic warfare support were simply overwhelming.
l2ealllllyyy 1 year ago
@l2ealllllyyy haha, yeah, I suppose I wouldn't want to go up if there were no enemy planes at all.
scski14 1 year ago
Impressive plane. Whats the name of the song?
ManabuKempfer 1 year ago
Pretty impressive plane
ManabuKempfer 1 year ago
The best? I forget- its American...the Mig 21 sure kicked a lot of ass, and the Mig 29 Fulcrum? Ho, I get it, its just another piece of junk.
onceANexile 1 year ago
You know, in a mock battle 2 F-22's destroyed about 10 F-15s. The F-15 pilot said they never even saw the F-22s. Still though, a REALLY awesome plane.
88Mobius88 1 year ago
Did anybody see the SU30MKl at Nellis,AFB (red flag) Beat up on the F-15s with a kill Ratio of 30 to 1 over the F-15s , the F-15s had no chance against them ...:)
texasfathead 1 year ago
The F-15 has been the best for a couple of decades,but now is no longer the best,that honor goes to fighters such as the Eurofighter & the F-22
TheRAFHarrier 1 year ago
im guessing u guys never heard about the Candian made avro arrow , that is the worlds best jet fighter
Sphinkt3R 1 year ago
@Sphinkt3R No,never heard of it !!
TheRAFHarrier 1 year ago
one word, SU37 SHUKOI, u are going down!
pashou23 1 year ago
one word, SU37 SHUKOI, u are going down!
pashou23 1 year ago
That would suck to be the first guy in an F-15 shot down air to air
LethalHobo 1 year ago
Title should be changed to "Used to be the best Jet Fighter in Aviation History."
Worrgamesguy 1 year ago
americans planes are shit
PolskiNacjonalista89 2 years ago
the only shit here is u fuckhead...
88ABRAMS88 2 years ago 2
@PolskiNacjonalista89 nope, best kill records in History
nosirrom5 2 years ago
I dont think there is such a "best plane in the world". All that matters are the pilot's skills
pastagage 2 years ago 6
US fighters are lame. Nothing beats a Su-33
pastagage 2 years ago
@pastagage US plains fucked Russia's every single war
nosirrom5 2 years ago
nothing beats european fighters !
pastagage 2 years ago
@nosirrom5
US planes never fought against contemporary russian counterparts, except for Korea where the Mig15 was the king of the sky. All what F15`s managed to shot down is a bunch of 3rd gen. fighters, ground attak, transports and some downgraded Mig29`s deprived of spare parts and lacking over 10 years of maintenance. When F15 and F16 went against Su30`s and version is joint USAF-Indian exercises they lost every time
stalingradComando 1 year ago
@stalingradComando 78 sabres were lost while over 500 MiGs Were down also Iraq was recieving parts for thier MiG 29s up to the collapse of the USSR but the Eagles still Ruled the sky. The Su 30s beat the F-16 but not the F-15s. Your little cobra manuver may work against something like an F-16 or Eurofighter but against an apponent with a superior power to wieght ratio its tantamount to suicide :)
nosirrom5 1 year ago
@nosirrom5 or atl least the modern E version
nosirrom5 1 year ago
and seeing as hoiw The Su 30MK had its first flight 15 years after the F-15 C I wonder what your definition of "contemporary" is (plus its an Indian Fighter)
nosirrom5 1 year ago
@nosirrom5
Eagle did not rule the sky, especially with the USSR having over 300 Su27`s which are several times more maneuvrable. Su30s beated both improved F15`s and F16`s. The only chance you have against them is the F22
stalingradComando 1 year ago
@stalingradComando every war they fought in the F-15 gained air supremacy. The Indian Su 30MK is a 4.5 generation fighter equivalent to the Su 35. And if you recall all of those joint exercises were dogfights while in modern warefare 2/3 of all kills are Beyond visual range
nosirrom5 1 year ago
this is where the F-15s speed would give it the upper hand
nosirrom5 1 year ago
@nosirrom5
Su35 is a 4++ generation fighter, just like Mig35. The Su30 is a 4+ gen, so there actually is a difference. If you really think that the IRBIS-E/BARS and AL-31/117S are the same thing then you can`t make the diffrence between an Su30 and an Su35 at all. I am pretty sure that the F15 wouldn`t have gained air superiority if there were Su27 to face it
stalingradComando 1 year ago
@stalingradComando no the Su 37 is a 4th generation ++ fighter, the Su 35/Su 30 MK (IAF plane) is a 4th generation + fighter while the Su 30 is a 4th generation fighter. In a dogfight the Flanker variants may have the advantage but in a BVR fight the F-15s superior speed would give it the edge (and most fights are BVR)
nosirrom5 1 year ago
@nosirrom5
Su37 is nothing more than a converted 1st gen Su35 with multiaxis TV nozzles. The 2nd gen Su35 is 4++ gen fighter even more advanced than the Su37 and that`s why it never entered service. Su30s still have an advantag over F15 even in BVR combat. They have longer ranged weapons and more powerful radars. The Su30 is a Mach 2.35+ class fighter so speed is not a decisive advanatage
stalingradComando 1 year ago
@stalingradComando no, look it up the Su 35 in a 4th+ fighter and our Aim 7 missiles can out range yours. Only recently did china test a variety that could outpace it. Plus those F-15s that fought the Indian Su 30MK were the older C versions from over 30 years ago. We've got the newer E and upcoming SE versions :)
nosirrom5 1 year ago
@nosirrom5
no you look it up. Just type in 2nd gen. Su35 or Su35BM, Su35S or whaterver you want to call it. Sparrow sucks by the way. It`s already being phased out With a similar kill probability you will never get a BVR kill on an Su30 or any of its derivatives. Just do some research about the R77. USAF tried everything they had (Except for the F22, I am not sure about that) against the Su30 including F16 Block 60 (so called 4+ gen) and they failed
stalingradComando 1 year ago
@stalingradComando The F-22 raped it in the simulations. Sorry I meant AIM 120 missles. They didn't try the 4+ generation F-15Es But in 2 months we'll have a 4th generation ++ aircraft that could easily beat it- the F-15 SE
nosirrom5 1 year ago
@nosirrom5
nope. The F15SE is aimed at current F15 operators. It`s not for domestic usage. F22 raped the Su30? Wait until they revice Sukhoi/HAL FGFA`s and bring it back again
stalingradComando 1 year ago
@stalingradComando ooooh scary there's only 1 :)
nosirrom5 1 year ago
@nosirrom5
No, there isn`t any of them. But there an unarmed PAK FA prototype, which is not even the definitive version. There will be more soon and in 2013 they will enter in service. That`s way faster than your F35 which has been delayed again
stalingradComando 1 year ago
@stalingradComando there isn't any XD HAHAHAHAHA. Going into service ROFLMFAO you first flew the Su 35 22 years ago and you've only got 18 of them
nosirrom5 1 year ago
@nosirrom5
There are only 18 because they never singed any contract for the delivery of Su35`s to the airforce. Just like Su47s and MKIs. The only and first order for the delivery of 48 Su35S to the airforce was singed only 2 years ago
stalingradComando 1 year ago
@stalingradComando OK but at that rate we'll have a 6th generation fighter before you mass produce your fifth :)
nosirrom5 1 year ago
@nosirrom5
before 2015? I don`t think so. It took you 15 years to develop the F22. Even if you start a 6th gen. fighter program today you will not have any of them until 2025
And by the way, the Su35S was introduced in 2005, just like the F22
stalingradComando 1 year ago
@stalingradComando the Su 35 first flew 22 years ago but its not in production yet. Do you honestly believe the PAK FA will go into production in 2015
nosirrom5 1 year ago
Besides we already have a match for the Su 30- the F-15E
nosirrom5 1 year ago
remember how the F-15 made your MiGs obsolete, history repeats itself :)
nosirrom5 1 year ago
@nosirrom5
No you don`t. Su30MKI is much better than any F15 version, except the F15SE, but we have the Su35S for that. Only the Su35S (2005) is in production
And yes, I belive that PAK FA will go in MASS production earlier than 2015
stalingradComando 1 year ago
@stalingradComando The F-15 E is the equivalent of the Su 35
nosirrom5 1 year ago
@nosirrom5
Not it isn`t at all. The Su35 is better in any single aspect. The Su34 would be a better match, although it fulfills the bomber role much better
stalingradComando 1 year ago
@stalingradComando yeah it would be a fair match and would rape the Su 34
nosirrom5 1 year ago
@nosirrom5
Why do you think so?
stalingradComando 1 year ago
@stalingradComando why do you think so?
nosirrom5 1 year ago
@stalingradComando I mean the F-15 E would be a fair match for the Su 35, probably not he BM version but thats why we're coming out with our 4th generation ++ F-15SE
nosirrom5 1 year ago
@nosirrom5
Worng again. The F15E sucks compared to the Su35BM. Why?
Well the Irbis E is much more powerful than the The APG-70 and even the new AN/APG-82 and the Su35 can also be eqquiped with an L band AESA radar. Su35 has vectored thrust thus making it several times more maneuvrable and even supersonic cruise and even better ECM and avionics. The F15E has no chance at all. It dosen`t hava a chance against the MKI either
stalingradComando 1 year ago
@stalingradComando I wasn't comparing the F-15E to the BM version I was comparing the F-15SE to it
nosirrom5 1 year ago
@stalingradComando Actually Irbis E is not as good as American radars - it is still phase based radar therefore rather easy to jam - and as with all phasers, farther the target is away, more likely it will haul up . L band AESA is still in development for NIIP/NIIR - while Americans have already have more than 12 different versions of AESA for F-15,16,18,22, and 35. F-15E has much better electronic systems then Su-35BM and higher suervivalbility against Su-30 and Su-35.
looxgood 1 year ago
@looxgood
Imposssible. The only plane that is more maneuvrable than the 35BM is the PAK FA. And in terms of detection the Irbis-E radar is currently second only to the F22s`s APG 77 and that with a very small diference. It`s more likely to jam? It dosen`t matter as long as the Flanker has anti-radiation missiles
stalingradComando 1 year ago
@stalingradComando Actually F-16E and Blok60 and above are far more manueverable than Su-35BM due to its thrust-weight is governed by automatic output control system. F-22 has much better system. APG-80 and 81 has far superior detection and sensor allocation than Irbis-E. Irbis-E is phasic therefore it is easy to jam since phase shift has definite ambience for jammer to target. Russian industry has a long way to catch up to the US or Western radar technology to the date.
looxgood 1 year ago
@looxgood
BS, BS and more BS
BETTER MANEUVRABILITY MY ASS. Ever heared of thrust vectoring? Or at least do you realise thant the Flanker a FAR more maneuvrable design than all af your planes?
THE APG-80 IS FAR SUPERIOR MY ASS. IT`s significantly inferior in terms of detection
stalingradComando 1 year ago
@stalingradComando TVC was has already has been done with USAF & NASA since early 1980's - and current F-18E/F to India has option of TVC. But Americans and other Western countries concluded that TVC manuever is useless in dogfight. Su-30 &35 was equipped with TVC due to belief that aircraft's nose must point to a certain direction to shoot - however, American uses helmet mounted off-bore sight system (Aim-9X or Python 5) that allows upto 220 degree fire within 15~20 miles radius.
looxgood 1 year ago
@stalingradComando Russian NIIP/NIIR still lacks the detection fidelity behind the American counterparts. Its main problem is in the phasic variance compensation - since the radar has "Phase (Russian radars are commonly phase-based radars)" its wave definition is easily detected and countered by jammers. Though they have long range, jamming has always been the problem - to solve this issue, Russians just added more antennas - like they did in Mig-31 to burn through jammings.
looxgood 1 year ago
@stalingradComando ALso, TVC bleeds off the energy - so although it gives higher Angle of attack, it sacrifices its manueverbility (by reducing speed and lengthening the recovery time). This is more apparant in Su-30 series - and Indian Airforce has strict regulation now in close range dog-fight manuever, they are forbidden to use TVC manueverings.
looxgood 1 year ago
@stalingradComando - go get dude!
onceANexile 1 year ago
@stalingradComando and for the record, the Su 30MK is a 4.5 generation while the F-15C is a fourth
nosirrom5 1 year ago
check out vimeoDOTcom/3452812
bbking0064 2 years ago
The f 22 raptor is like the lamborghini of the fighter Jet world we need this amazing fighter in survice ! i would say in this case the rookie would beat the legend
USAirForceJacob 2 years ago 3
@USAirForceJacob US fighters are lame. Nothing beats a Su-33
pastagage 2 years ago
@pastagage and what is the Su-33's kill ratio F-15 is 104-0 last i checked if the Su-33 dosent have a better record than that it is not better than the F-15 the F-22 would probably whoop both planes but as it is yet to be bloodied in combat i cant say for certain
patriot91101rip 2 years ago 2
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pastagage 2 years ago
@patriot91101rip Check the article on Wiki regarding Fourth-generation_jet_fighter, and read the DERA study paragraph, very interesting
pastagage 2 years ago
@pastagage i find wikipedia unreliable because anyone can open an account and change any article for propaganda value if the plane a has never been bloodied in combat all the test fights and simulations mean nothing . and your right about one thing an inexpeirenced pilot in an F-15 could be beat by any plane with an expierenced pilot at the controls.
patriot91101rip 2 years ago
Is ... or was. I wonder who would win in an air superiority 1 on 1-- F-15 or F-22A? Isn't conventional wisdom that the F-15 would not see the F-22A on their radar?
chromal 2 years ago
How far can the Eagle fly with a full load of fuel and weapons without drop tanks? Great video, The F-15 second to none.
nbenicewicz 2 years ago
YUP u got 2 b prepared 4 this kind of fighter im mean this vid says it all about the F15 eagle
USAirForceJacob 2 years ago 8
i think it's the scariest jet fighter ever.
if u r about to get in a dogfight with that jet , you got that handle down your seat .
soulsow94 2 years ago 3
is f22raptor the best ?
luiscarre 2 years ago
uhh yeah the F-22 is the best. DUH!
BRIANROX1 2 years ago 3
Nice video, thanks..
NighTSighT111 2 years ago 3
very nice jet O.O
ya got a video about the globemaster??
: )
88ABRAMS88 2 years ago 2
i dont have anything yet on the globemaster,but that would be a good video to make.. i will work my way towards making some transport aircraft videos in the future.
f39eagle2 2 years ago
now this... is a fighter.
angryace13 2 years ago 11
My fav modern US fighter. Never shot down one hellofa record!
mrgoodvibrations 2 years ago 6
Nice video
thanks B
taisdhoi 2 years ago
rock!!!!Nice video man XDD
stgoh60 2 years ago 2