"These statements lack historical reference and are not found in scripture", yeah, well neither is Stonehenge, yet it's there! Neither are the Nazca lines, but they exist. The Bible is NOT the complete story of human history, nor is it of the history of the period or region. Many texts were taken out. I think what needs to be done is to have scholars, historians, scientists, theologians, etc, all sit down and figure this crap out. Enough of this 1st Century bickering. Grow up!
Typical gross oversimplification of gnosticism by the orthodox christians. There were many other groups besides docetic gnostics, each had a piece of the puzzle, but the early gnostics barely had a chance to put the pieces together because they were tortured and murdered. How can conventional christians justify the slaughter of millions of individuals who didn't believe exactly as the catholic pope dictated? This to me is the epitome of the antichrist whose reign is over, thank God, Over.
Gnostics are overwhelmingly born not made. They have the same information as anyone else but are eclectic and can see beyond the limitations of language/culture. What has been left behind would either be merely learning aids or would have been placed at specific locations for a specific purpose. Gnostics are not cookie cutter people as in modern cults. Essenes left at the last golden transit 68A.D. before 2012. To understand, become. Beware of their language emanating from thine own mouth.
Its rediculous to compare gnosticism with "orthodoxy" and then assume gnosticism is "wrong" because it says something different. Orthodox christianity became orthodox not because it was right, but because it won the patronage of the Roman Empire and set about destroying all opposition.
Wow this vid is really bias towards the orthodoxy of christianity and the DaVinci code is considered "Fiction" so how can her claims even be ligit if thats all she's refering to? Lol! What a hunk of BS
most of ancient Egypt was Gnostic before the rise of Islam in the 8th Century. One of the last bastion of Gnosticism were the Cathers of southern France and Norther Spain. The Catholic church's inquisition was cruel and destroyed them. The Cathers took death willingly, for the end of the world was nigh, which was true for them.
there are many groups which claim to be gnostics like the neo-nazis. but they are imitations.
The real gnostics have been hiding among us this whole time, they just dont bother to correct you.
if you need history of early Jews ask Josephus.
he will tell you of the Essenes, who live the life of the ones the Greeks call Pythagoreans, the Hermetic Alchemists, the early gnostics are their decedents.
3:51 ... the Gnostics began to write their own theology.
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Bizarre statement given the fact that the socal institution known as the Roman Catholic Church invented the Bible from texts it deemed 'worthy' whilst discarding countless other texts (5th century AD).
This video is biased towards literal Christianity.
Personally, I'm not a Christian and believe no mythological stories as literal but in symbolic Gnostic ideas (as well as Buddhism, Taoism, Zen) I see some worthwhile ideas.
these Gospels are Real you Jerk and not Fake the Holy Bible 's Gospels are Fake! you are hiding the truth and spread lies about Our(Jesus Christ) Lord and (Mary Magdalene) The Lady. "God above smite this woman for her faulse teachings!!"
You are full of shit, The Gnostic Christain & Gnostic Catholic faiths are the only Real Religions of Christ! and any one that thinks other wise should jump off a mountain and go away
i don't understand why this video makes references to the book "The Da Vinci Code" like the book was presented as fact. When it wasn't. The book is fiction. So how can we expect for claims that a [fictional character in a fictional book] makes to have some historical merit or sources to back it up.
Not a very well researched or accurate description of gnosticism.
1.The Core of gnosticism is NOT a denial of orthodoxy or rebellion of absolutes.This is pure prejudice, caused by looking at gnosticism through the lens of orthodoxy.
2. Gnosis is not special knowledge or secret information given to the enlightened.
3.The gnostics never wrote their scriptures and gospels "because their message was different from the bible".
Oh dear..this video is just propaganda for the fundygelical church.
There's a whole slew of incorrect generalities here. I'd recommend those who are interested in the subject of Gnosticism to pick up "Rethinking Gnosticism" by Michael Williams.
Your talk of Gnosticism being a 'rebellion' against Christianity as though any form of rebellion itself is evil brings us round to the rebellion of Christianity against Judaism. Rebellion was good in that case though eh. Christians love that word 'rebellion'.
lol! It's amazing how people can't stand a differing opinion, and yet cry out for "tolerance"! They want freedom of speech and freedom of religion as long as it agrees with their own.
Gnosticism is the original hersey and not what Christ taught. Deal with it.
also in reply to your above message, yes in a sense people do believe that lucifer and jesus are brothers, but you look at this wrong. the father created jesus right, the father also created the angels which lucifer was, and the father created us right. so it is logical to believe that jesus and lucifer are brothers in this broad sense, just as in this sense we are also siblings to jesus and lucifer, but it was not meant to be taken so literally. you most be a evangelical
LOL!No,I'm not an evangelical,even though you think I "moast" be.When you said "name me the gnostic group that believed that jesus [sic]and lucifer [sic]were brothers", you were either ignorant of the fact, or pretended you didn't know. In either case, I can't debate you. GOODBYE.
Us and them. It's not enough to simply talk about Gnosticism, you have to say that "they" are wrong. You can't just present the information and have observers decide for themselves. Facts all come with points of view.
You can tell whoever wrote the script has not read either the Nag Hammadi texts nor the DaVinci Code. I suspect this is based off of the work of Christian apologists.
the davinci code takes one liners out of gnostic gospels and takes them out of context, the davinci code doesn't even represent any gnostic school of thought which shows how much this video creator knows about gnosticism
but please point out that the davinci code does not reflect true christian gnostic teachings, i do thank you for posting your comment, some of the people commenting on this page seem to have learned about gnosticism from the works of people such as irenaeus which is by no means a proper way to do research. it's like learning about bill clinton from ken star
A confabulation of every criticism ever levelled at Gnosticism, which is not incidentally, the Da Vinci Code (which is a novel. Gnosticims had many expressions from which orthodoxy itself came. Isn't it true that the Bible claims to contain special knowledge'? What's so bad about Gnosticism then as opposed to Orthodoxy?
Usminc, you're clearly not a biblical or historical scholar or you wouldn't have made such a basic chronological error. You may want to read Bart D Ehrman or Elaine Pagels both on whom provide an excellent chronological and textual review both of gnosticism and orthodoxy. By the way, 'heresy' just means 'choice'. So what's wrong with choice on debatable matters? The Trinity is not biblical. Am I not right (orthodox), in this case as a gnostic to question it's validity and your 'heresy'?
Pagels and Ehrman are hacks. And I have Bachelor's degree in Theology. Heresy in the Theological terminology means a false doctrine. Trying to change the definition doesn't work. Which Gnostic sects doctrine should I follow? The ones that teach orgies are permissiable (Cainites, Sethites)? Or the ones that teach in total abstinence? Should I follow the ones that teach Satan is God (Yezidi)? Or the ones that teach John the Baptist is the Messiah (Mandeans)? It's not as cut and dry as you think.
you may have a degree but you've missed the mark dear. those who view satan as god, see the creation as bad, we were never meant to be here. and fyi this creator is called the demiurge not satan. the true father is above the demiurge and he is the true "god". and fyi again tehy are not called the sethites, it's sethian.
I get it. A contrarian, though not particularly bright and somewhat like your grasp of history, theology or philosophy ie. you could probably spell the words without actually being able to deploy the concepts. What a pity for what one assume to be a perfectly adequate mind. You have a degree? Yes, a degree of trouble explaining yourself.
Gnosticism in no way came after Christianity. The beliefs of the Gnostics had been around for centuries before Chrsitianity. Sounds like more Christian misrepresentation of history.
no it really didn't, in the beginning of christianity there was no orthdox, no church nothing. it was a varied religion with each group having their own traditions and practices. there wasn't a bible for a very long time and we don't even know what was all in constantine's original collection. christianity was an oral tradition for many many years, so there was no doctrine, which means orthodox wasn't in the picture yet. you may share your thoughts but be ready to be corrected when wrong
Christianity is spelled with a capital "C", btw. Yes, there was indeed the Church Jesus established. It wasn't simply a bunch of people making it up as they went along. The Church had the Old Testament writings, and they circulated the Pauline epistles. Constantine didn't simply whip up a Bible out of thin air. A council of Bishops (the Nicean Council) all voted on what documents were genuine and which were heretical or spurious.
i find it funny that you decide to pick on me about capital letters, very telling. i didn't say they made it up as they went along, i said that each group celebrated christ differently, this is truth maybe you need to study more. BTW THE NICEAN COUNCIL DID NOT MAKE THE UNDISPUTED FINAL WORD ON THE CANON IT HAPPENED AT CARTHAGE IN 397 60 YEARS AFTER CONTASTANTINE DIED. and not all groups had the pauline documents, it was very expensive back then. Christianity was an oral tradition first
You were the one that brought up Constantine and the Cannon. You my friend are too ignorant of Biblical matters for me to waste my time. Obviously you've read some trendy books that are big on sensation and slim on facts. The Paulician/Manichaean/Bogomil/Albigensian cults all taught Jesus and Lucifer were brothers. The Churches circulated the epistles. What rubbish to think it was somehow"too expensive"!LOL!I would reccomend the video Jesus A Middle Eastern Prospective to anyone reading this.
and the bobomils i will agree with you, they were formed as a reaction against the state and clerical oppression. however this group emerged in bulgaria between 927 and 970, way after the groups i refrence too were around. i think you confuse later groups with the first groups that were here since christ walked and starting teaching his message
also my dear misguided one, there was not any organized doctrine beliefs until nicea, there was the big arguement over jesus's divinity, that was the big focus of the meeting at nicea, so your statement that there was and has always been a organized church and doctrine is once again not able to stand the test of the factual truth.
all religions are trying to do is just trying to point us to the right direction, but some have something that completemetns other, I bet if we'd gather the knowledge of all religion and combine the parts that they all agree with, perhaps we would get it right.
Why are they afraid of gnosticism? Answer is because the gnostics can be as much fanatics like the muslims is and at same time more esoteric than jews.
it gets very confusing religion can with all different sects and people calling you out b/c this gnosticsm you believe is different than theirs. I like this video Ok, your other ones are better. who can say what is right and wrong when no truths of either sect can be proved. every video on religon can be attacked for falsing info, but this is faith not math- just take from it what you will and every1 stop being so authoritarian over religous matters
"Gnosis" translates to "EXPERIENCED KNOWLEDGE", not "secret knowledge". Gnostic Christians achieve salvation from LIVING the teachings of Christ. I am a Gnostic Christian, and I KNOW that Christ lived and died for me as a LIVING MAN which the Gnostic Gospel of Phillip teaches and believe that the Gnostic AND the Nicene Gospels are the word of our liberator, Jesus Christ. I invite people to study gnosticism on their own, and ignore this completely false propaganda.
That quote is also in one of the biblical Gospels, buddha. I don't remember which one, though. The appearance of this quote in the Gnostic Gospel of Thomas suggests that Thomas is indeed one of the earliest gnostic texts.
She was doing well until she said that the New Testament gospels are older than the Gnostic Gospels. Then, it went down hill once she called the Gnostic Gospels false. Then, she used the Bible to refute the Gospels. The facts are pretty well in place about the Gnostics, but then she tries to falsify those facts by using half-truths, misinformation, and lies. Anyone educated on the topic can see that this is propaganda.
Also... Many NDE Experiencers of Hell who ought be condemned are shown love and mercy and are given the second chance... Wheres the wrath of God which is mention in that one? Universalism is the answer...
Mainstream Church BS to scare us from turning away... It is mention in the bible that the way is small and narrow. Most people take the large way of faith! When in reality it is spirtual knowledge...
If the main part of Christian faith teaches the dead shall arise in the same body in which they died according to Pope Gregory the Great, the resurrected will be, in many instances, old and decrepit. Some resurrected will have limbs missing while many will be aborted fetuses or disfigured infants.
In 1 Corinthians 15:35--58 the purport is that man will be resurrected in a spirutal body, not a human body. In fact Paul says, "...it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body." Again Paul says, "flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable."
I agree, this video is full of propaganda and doesn't really present any convincing evidence as to what the gnostics taugh and why the early fathers of the church decided to included only four gospels. During the early history of the christian church a lot of gospels were destroyed because they were teaching "wrong ideas". They also forgot to mention that many gnostics were christians.
It is indeed unfortunate that we only have fragments of the Gnostics teachings. I hope some day we will find some manuscripts that will prove that Gnosticism was indeed a profound teaching.
This video does a great disservice since they did not seek out scholars like Karen Armstrong, Elaine Pagles, and others.
This video was just a "hit job" and is not very informative, and just a mash up of different Gnostic sects, if your going to attack something, do it w/ better information...not just whatever you felt you could pull out of a hat. Just becuase you say your a Christian doesn't mean you are, and just beucase you say your a Gnostic, doesn't you are. stop lumping all the Gnostic sects together...they are all completely different w/ different views.
It seems intended to show why gnosticism is incompatible w. orthodox Christianity, not a detailed documentary about Gnosticism itself. Gnostics shouldn't have tried to appropriate Christianity when inventing their religion.
You can always say vice versa about the bible, that Christianity of the Gospels took for the Gnostic text...and that has not been disproved...so that in itself is not a valid assumption. No one nows how old Gnosticism is, pre-christ or after, there is know record of the first Gnostic texts. only the dates of the Nag Himaddi are known...but not the text from which they are translated from.
Well, there's 1 or 2 Jesus Seminar types who think Thomas might have early date, but the main developer of this (Valentinus) definately lived in the second century & Christianity was well established by then.
gnosticism came first with the pagan groups, it is the gnostic belief that the christ came into this realm via the human jesus to teach us the truth so gnosticism then morphed and continued with christ's message, the same thing with mainstreaqm chrisitanity, they shouldn't have appropriate judaism when they invented their religion, see the same can be said for both mainstream and gnostic.
And that's the point... the Gnostics were nothing but a bunch of different sects that lacked cohesion. There's nothing more sepcial about them than the Mormons or JW's. In fact, the Mormons nd JWs could be called modern Gnostic sects! Wanna be a Gnostic? Just join the the Mrmons or JWs.
actually the mormons have nothing to do with anything gnostic, you are wrong. this video is also wrong, gnostic believe in the absolute, they just don't believe that the creator is the most high, there is one higher
actually the mormons have nothing to do with anything gnostic, you are wrong. this video is also wrong, gnostic believe in the absolute, they just don't believe that the creator is the most high, there is one higher
Actually, the are quite Gnostic. Mormons believe they "know" the LDS church is true by recieving divine knowledge which they call a "burning in the bosom" as they call it. Like some of the Gnostic cults of the past, Mornmons believe Lucifer and Jesus were brothers.
name me the gnostic group that believed that jesus and lucifer were brothers. the gnostics believe everyone can connect with the divine because we all have the divine spark, the mormons believe their leaders can, their leaders!! very different. you talk on here like you know so much, but to those of us who actually study the early periods find you to be quit silly
lol! even the LDS has acknolwedged they have similarities w/Gnostics. Hugh Nibley even said so. Mormons say they recieve knowledge from God directly which they call the "burning of the bosom". They also believe in a Heavenly Mother goddess, Gnostics=Sophia goddess. They believe Higher gods than the creator Elohim exist. They believe Lucifer and Christ are spirit brothers. Many, many similarities.
similarities sure, most religions have similarities, islam and christianity for example. but to say gnostics are the same as mormons is false. and yes spirit brothers is true but this is not a main gnostic teaching or doctrine if you will it is used to highlight that everyone is family, everyone has the same father. higher gods is plural, gnostics believe in one true higher being, everything else are "lesser gods" but it's not really plural, these lesser are emmanations from the high
i find it interesting that you join on the 15 of this month and end up here, commenting in a fashion very similar to that other yayhoo usminc. although your profile says 54 and the other says 40 it makes me wonder how two almost senior citizens can be in the same immature mind frame as the two of you and you both find the need to attack me. also i have never known anyone over 30 who knows what lol means all very interestng.
If you consider every reply to your comment an attack, then you shouldn't post. And I yes I joined on the 15th, and apparently think I'm USMINC, but I'm not. I'M A MORMON, AND YES THERE ARE SIMILAIRITIES TO GNOSTICISM AND THE LDS! And newsflash, I've been on the 'net before it was the 'net, and there are 80 y.o. that know what lol means. And just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't mean they're immature.
i do not think every reply is an attack, however usminc's commetns were all in that fashion. he did not say i disagree with what you said he made it into an arguement which yes is a attack. i never said there wasn't some basic similarties but they end there at the basic level. usminc stated that if someone wanted to be gnostic they might as well join the lds, which is wrong since the gnostic path is not close to the mormon path EVEN though it does share some similarties.
i said there were some small similarties yes, but they are not the same thing by far. i am very happy for you that you've spent so much time on the internet. if you read my comment i said "I" have never known any older people to know what lol meant. not every comment is immature BUT to start one with LOL is immature, it sets the tone for the rest of the comment meaning you don't start your message well, you start it with disrespect and that is a sign of immaturity
i accused you of being usminc due to your word choices and structure of your comments. Hugh Nibley was a mormon scholar, so i don't really care what he thinks, please read my other comment to you on the similarties.
I see your so called "enlightment" makes you insulting. Very telling of you. if you want to "silly" read "Ancient Christian Magic" which is a treasure trove of ancient Gnostic rubbish, like Gnostic love spells, money spells, and spells of revenge. Your romaticized view of Gnosticism shows you read pop-religion books like Holy Blood Holy Grail. Since I'm apparently debating a teenager from your level of manners, I will not give you the satisfaction of a "flame war".
i am a gnostic dear and we by no means have love spells, i think you confuse pagan gnostic with christian gnostic. i am an adult, my manners are fine and i am a true gnostic so i do not believe in the holy blood holy grail b.s. i have no romanticized view of anything. you just don't understand gnosticism. all this pop culture gnostic stuff is not true gnosticism.
gnostics don't have spells, tell me more of these spells, where can one find refrence to them, what group did they come from, please i beg you tell me where to find out about these so called gnostic magic i would love to know. please man up and quote your sources.
this is BS they didnt believe in these myths they knew them as allegories, most gnostics dont even believe ther was a real jesus,also they were persecuted and outlawed by your "christian orthodox" church were threatened by this form of self knowledge,
I'm not a neo-Gnostic Christian. Yet, it must be said that Paul himself contrasts the spiritual with the carnal. Also, Paul talks about the Knowledge (Gnosis) of Salvation. For these reasons and others, I believe Paul was a false Apostle. Read the Epistle of the Colossians chapter using a Greek interlinear bible. See why many early Gnostic Christians sects looked to Paul as their Apostle.
Not a false Apostle...he just got Jesus...understood his teachings...and so did the Gnostics, but "the church" wasn't feelin it becuase it lacked structure and a way of control of this "Knowledge" not hidden, it was only hidden becuase the church force them to hide it. or else it would have been burned and lost forever.
clement of alexandria stated that both groups had it wrong, the gnostics think knowledge alone would bring them salvation, the main group thinks faith can bring them salvation but clement said both were wrong it takes a mixture of both for salvation. this is what mystics tend to go by this combination of both
That's because it takes away the divinity of Jesus! Why does he need a bloodline, a relationship with Mary or any other gospels like the one of Thomas that talks about Jesus killing a bird and then bring it back to life again?
The bird story is from the infancy gospel of thomas, not gnostic sources, the bloodline story is not from gnostic sources either. there is far too much to comment on in this worthless vid she cant even get the word right, whats gnogsis?
you are mistaking davinci code b.s. with gnosticism. the davinci code takes one or two lines of a scripture and takes them out of context, makes them as racey as possible and quit frankly that is not what the gnostics thought or took away from the scriptures.
The more I see warning labels on cigarettes and anti-smoking laws, the more I think main stream medical professionals and educators fear cigarettes. Remember, one may *rightly* fear something!
Thanks for this retarded and just plain wrong mangling of history and philosophy. There are more errors per minute packed into this video than I thought was conceivable within the confines of linguistic possibilities. The fact that you waterless canals still feel compelled to write anti-Gnostic propaganda 1800 years after murdering the Gnostics says much.
Let me guess your superior intellect and ultimate wisdom has grace you with a complete record of all mankind's history and philosophy from birth. Where you can make statements like this about Gnosticism being suddenly wipe from the planet some 1800 years ago, the fact we are still talking about the movement is evidence enough of it present existence.
"These statements lack historical reference and are not found in scripture", yeah, well neither is Stonehenge, yet it's there! Neither are the Nazca lines, but they exist. The Bible is NOT the complete story of human history, nor is it of the history of the period or region. Many texts were taken out. I think what needs to be done is to have scholars, historians, scientists, theologians, etc, all sit down and figure this crap out. Enough of this 1st Century bickering. Grow up!
AmericanCryer 4 days ago
Typical gross oversimplification of gnosticism by the orthodox christians. There were many other groups besides docetic gnostics, each had a piece of the puzzle, but the early gnostics barely had a chance to put the pieces together because they were tortured and murdered. How can conventional christians justify the slaughter of millions of individuals who didn't believe exactly as the catholic pope dictated? This to me is the epitome of the antichrist whose reign is over, thank God, Over.
EAJohnsonRN 1 year ago 2
Gnostics are overwhelmingly born not made. They have the same information as anyone else but are eclectic and can see beyond the limitations of language/culture. What has been left behind would either be merely learning aids or would have been placed at specific locations for a specific purpose. Gnostics are not cookie cutter people as in modern cults. Essenes left at the last golden transit 68A.D. before 2012. To understand, become. Beware of their language emanating from thine own mouth.
knowershark 1 year ago 2
Its rediculous to compare gnosticism with "orthodoxy" and then assume gnosticism is "wrong" because it says something different. Orthodox christianity became orthodox not because it was right, but because it won the patronage of the Roman Empire and set about destroying all opposition.
DIBBY40 2 years ago 11
@DIBBY40 Where is the historical evidence for that?
clarkbailey1973 1 year ago
Is there a part one on this storyline?
Thanks!
UnoRaza 2 years ago
Wow this vid is really bias towards the orthodoxy of christianity and the DaVinci code is considered "Fiction" so how can her claims even be ligit if thats all she's refering to? Lol! What a hunk of BS
Gnostism=FTW
Orthodox Christianity=Epic Fail
Tokagawa89 2 years ago
most of ancient Egypt was Gnostic before the rise of Islam in the 8th Century. One of the last bastion of Gnosticism were the Cathers of southern France and Norther Spain. The Catholic church's inquisition was cruel and destroyed them. The Cathers took death willingly, for the end of the world was nigh, which was true for them.
zenmart99 2 years ago 2
The Real Gnostics think the Da Vinci Code is
a bunch of BS.
there are many groups which claim to be gnostics like the neo-nazis. but they are imitations.
The real gnostics have been hiding among us this whole time, they just dont bother to correct you.
if you need history of early Jews ask Josephus.
he will tell you of the Essenes, who live the life of the ones the Greeks call Pythagoreans, the Hermetic Alchemists, the early gnostics are their decedents.
VeritasAmantesVocat 2 years ago 13
@VeritasAmantesVocat V.M Samael Aun Weor.
thebabemagnet 1 year ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Gnoscitism is boolshit just becous it's only a sequence of theology, human thinking not a God word.
seastian 2 years ago
You choose the Bible, the book, chapter, and verse, I will prove to you what is right and what is wrong with it.
You cannot claim inerrancy when it is full of errors!
If you cannot see the errors, you need help.
Do you really prefer truth to dogma?
I dare you.
Double dog dare you.
krav1ngfish 2 years ago
first minute and I'm disgusted
God dwells in US!!
you hate that because it subtracts from the church- and their disgusting sins- perusing power and wealth
PaulScala 3 years ago
3:51 ... the Gnostics began to write their own theology.
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Bizarre statement given the fact that the socal institution known as the Roman Catholic Church invented the Bible from texts it deemed 'worthy' whilst discarding countless other texts (5th century AD).
This video is biased towards literal Christianity.
Personally, I'm not a Christian and believe no mythological stories as literal but in symbolic Gnostic ideas (as well as Buddhism, Taoism, Zen) I see some worthwhile ideas.
pugcasso 3 years ago 4
these Gospels are Real you Jerk and not Fake the Holy Bible 's Gospels are Fake! you are hiding the truth and spread lies about Our(Jesus Christ) Lord and (Mary Magdalene) The Lady. "God above smite this woman for her faulse teachings!!"
Gnostic2030 3 years ago 3
You are full of shit, The Gnostic Christain & Gnostic Catholic faiths are the only Real Religions of Christ! and any one that thinks other wise should jump off a mountain and go away
Gnostic2030 3 years ago 2
i don't understand why this video makes references to the book "The Da Vinci Code" like the book was presented as fact. When it wasn't. The book is fiction. So how can we expect for claims that a [fictional character in a fictional book] makes to have some historical merit or sources to back it up.
shaydm06 3 years ago 4
Not a very well researched or accurate description of gnosticism.
1.The Core of gnosticism is NOT a denial of orthodoxy or rebellion of absolutes.This is pure prejudice, caused by looking at gnosticism through the lens of orthodoxy.
2. Gnosis is not special knowledge or secret information given to the enlightened.
3.The gnostics never wrote their scriptures and gospels "because their message was different from the bible".
Oh dear..this video is just propaganda for the fundygelical church.
DIBBY40 3 years ago 2
There's a whole slew of incorrect generalities here. I'd recommend those who are interested in the subject of Gnosticism to pick up "Rethinking Gnosticism" by Michael Williams.
CrimsonCorpus 3 years ago 4
@DIBBY40 Bravo!
EAJohnsonRN 1 year ago
Your talk of Gnosticism being a 'rebellion' against Christianity as though any form of rebellion itself is evil brings us round to the rebellion of Christianity against Judaism. Rebellion was good in that case though eh. Christians love that word 'rebellion'.
Cliner97 3 years ago
A very good video, well done and factual.
As for the comments I've read...
lol! It's amazing how people can't stand a differing opinion, and yet cry out for "tolerance"! They want freedom of speech and freedom of religion as long as it agrees with their own.
Gnosticism is the original hersey and not what Christ taught. Deal with it.
usminc 3 years ago
not factual in the slightest
hhein01 3 years ago
please explain the negatives, in what way did that staement equal a negative.
hhein01 3 years ago
also in reply to your above message, yes in a sense people do believe that lucifer and jesus are brothers, but you look at this wrong. the father created jesus right, the father also created the angels which lucifer was, and the father created us right. so it is logical to believe that jesus and lucifer are brothers in this broad sense, just as in this sense we are also siblings to jesus and lucifer, but it was not meant to be taken so literally. you most be a evangelical
hhein01 3 years ago
LOL!No,I'm not an evangelical,even though you think I "moast" be.When you said "name me the gnostic group that believed that jesus [sic]and lucifer [sic]were brothers", you were either ignorant of the fact, or pretended you didn't know. In either case, I can't debate you. GOODBYE.
usminc 3 years ago
Us and them. It's not enough to simply talk about Gnosticism, you have to say that "they" are wrong. You can't just present the information and have observers decide for themselves. Facts all come with points of view.
MadCowBell 3 years ago
Do some real research, your just pulling this out your ass...
Is this a class from Jesus camp?
maatra 3 years ago
At least try taking some comparative religion classes at a community college before you assault someone with your juvenile insults.
usminc 3 years ago
You can tell whoever wrote the script has not read either the Nag Hammadi texts nor the DaVinci Code. I suspect this is based off of the work of Christian apologists.
CadicusTheDamned 3 years ago 2
the davinci code takes one liners out of gnostic gospels and takes them out of context, the davinci code doesn't even represent any gnostic school of thought which shows how much this video creator knows about gnosticism
hhein01 3 years ago
why did i get a negative, i spoke the truth. some people are really uneducated about gnosticism to the point that it is surprising.
hhein01 3 years ago
but please point out that the davinci code does not reflect true christian gnostic teachings, i do thank you for posting your comment, some of the people commenting on this page seem to have learned about gnosticism from the works of people such as irenaeus which is by no means a proper way to do research. it's like learning about bill clinton from ken star
hhein01 3 years ago
A confabulation of every criticism ever levelled at Gnosticism, which is not incidentally, the Da Vinci Code (which is a novel. Gnosticims had many expressions from which orthodoxy itself came. Isn't it true that the Bible claims to contain special knowledge'? What's so bad about Gnosticism then as opposed to Orthodoxy?
aslanmaskadov 3 years ago 2
No, Gnosticism came AFTER orthodox Christianity. It's a rebellion against it.
usminc 3 years ago
Usminc, you're clearly not a biblical or historical scholar or you wouldn't have made such a basic chronological error. You may want to read Bart D Ehrman or Elaine Pagels both on whom provide an excellent chronological and textual review both of gnosticism and orthodoxy. By the way, 'heresy' just means 'choice'. So what's wrong with choice on debatable matters? The Trinity is not biblical. Am I not right (orthodox), in this case as a gnostic to question it's validity and your 'heresy'?
aslanmaskadov 3 years ago
Pagels and Ehrman are hacks. And I have Bachelor's degree in Theology. Heresy in the Theological terminology means a false doctrine. Trying to change the definition doesn't work. Which Gnostic sects doctrine should I follow? The ones that teach orgies are permissiable (Cainites, Sethites)? Or the ones that teach in total abstinence? Should I follow the ones that teach Satan is God (Yezidi)? Or the ones that teach John the Baptist is the Messiah (Mandeans)? It's not as cut and dry as you think.
usminc 3 years ago
you may have a degree but you've missed the mark dear. those who view satan as god, see the creation as bad, we were never meant to be here. and fyi this creator is called the demiurge not satan. the true father is above the demiurge and he is the true "god". and fyi again tehy are not called the sethites, it's sethian.
hhein01 3 years ago
I get it. A contrarian, though not particularly bright and somewhat like your grasp of history, theology or philosophy ie. you could probably spell the words without actually being able to deploy the concepts. What a pity for what one assume to be a perfectly adequate mind. You have a degree? Yes, a degree of trouble explaining yourself.
aslanmaskadov 3 years ago
Gnosticism in no way came after Christianity. The beliefs of the Gnostics had been around for centuries before Chrsitianity. Sounds like more Christian misrepresentation of history.
Cliner97 3 years ago
no it really didn't, in the beginning of christianity there was no orthdox, no church nothing. it was a varied religion with each group having their own traditions and practices. there wasn't a bible for a very long time and we don't even know what was all in constantine's original collection. christianity was an oral tradition for many many years, so there was no doctrine, which means orthodox wasn't in the picture yet. you may share your thoughts but be ready to be corrected when wrong
hhein01 3 years ago
Christianity is spelled with a capital "C", btw. Yes, there was indeed the Church Jesus established. It wasn't simply a bunch of people making it up as they went along. The Church had the Old Testament writings, and they circulated the Pauline epistles. Constantine didn't simply whip up a Bible out of thin air. A council of Bishops (the Nicean Council) all voted on what documents were genuine and which were heretical or spurious.
usminc 3 years ago
i find it funny that you decide to pick on me about capital letters, very telling. i didn't say they made it up as they went along, i said that each group celebrated christ differently, this is truth maybe you need to study more. BTW THE NICEAN COUNCIL DID NOT MAKE THE UNDISPUTED FINAL WORD ON THE CANON IT HAPPENED AT CARTHAGE IN 397 60 YEARS AFTER CONTASTANTINE DIED. and not all groups had the pauline documents, it was very expensive back then. Christianity was an oral tradition first
hhein01 3 years ago
You were the one that brought up Constantine and the Cannon. You my friend are too ignorant of Biblical matters for me to waste my time. Obviously you've read some trendy books that are big on sensation and slim on facts. The Paulician/Manichaean/Bogomil/Albigensian cults all taught Jesus and Lucifer were brothers. The Churches circulated the epistles. What rubbish to think it was somehow"too expensive"!LOL!I would reccomend the video Jesus A Middle Eastern Prospective to anyone reading this.
usminc 3 years ago
and the bobomils i will agree with you, they were formed as a reaction against the state and clerical oppression. however this group emerged in bulgaria between 927 and 970, way after the groups i refrence too were around. i think you confuse later groups with the first groups that were here since christ walked and starting teaching his message
hhein01 3 years ago
also my dear misguided one, there was not any organized doctrine beliefs until nicea, there was the big arguement over jesus's divinity, that was the big focus of the meeting at nicea, so your statement that there was and has always been a organized church and doctrine is once again not able to stand the test of the factual truth.
hhein01 3 years ago
you can only really understand gnosis when you've been through it. this is the most accurate video on gnosticism I can find on youtube.
justgotbackfromnam 3 years ago
all religions are trying to do is just trying to point us to the right direction, but some have something that completemetns other, I bet if we'd gather the knowledge of all religion and combine the parts that they all agree with, perhaps we would get it right.
unicorn228 4 years ago
Typical orthodox rubbish!
Why are they afraid of gnosticism? Answer is because the gnostics can be as much fanatics like the muslims is and at same time more esoteric than jews.
ShahMashya 4 years ago
I believe some of this.
good information.
it gets very confusing religion can with all different sects and people calling you out b/c this gnosticsm you believe is different than theirs. I like this video Ok, your other ones are better. who can say what is right and wrong when no truths of either sect can be proved. every video on religon can be attacked for falsing info, but this is faith not math- just take from it what you will and every1 stop being so authoritarian over religous matters
irlydntgveasht 4 years ago
"Gnosis" translates to "EXPERIENCED KNOWLEDGE", not "secret knowledge". Gnostic Christians achieve salvation from LIVING the teachings of Christ. I am a Gnostic Christian, and I KNOW that Christ lived and died for me as a LIVING MAN which the Gnostic Gospel of Phillip teaches and believe that the Gnostic AND the Nicene Gospels are the word of our liberator, Jesus Christ. I invite people to study gnosticism on their own, and ignore this completely false propaganda.
libertariannumber5 4 years ago 3
Jesus said, in the Gnostic Gospel of Thomas, that heaven is all around us. However, we don't see it.
TropicalBuddha 4 years ago
That quote is also in one of the biblical Gospels, buddha. I don't remember which one, though. The appearance of this quote in the Gnostic Gospel of Thomas suggests that Thomas is indeed one of the earliest gnostic texts.
OnTheWingsOfAPhoenix 4 years ago
Complete propaganda. Gnosticism is nothing like this. All wrong. Gnostic's did not read scripture literally, nor was their writings literal.
JLeo777 4 years ago 3
"Who Chose the books of the New Testament & the Qur'an?-Canon"
From: PfanderFilms
"Is the Bible Corrupted?"
From: PfanderFilms
"The Satanic Verses part 1"
From: investigateislam
"The Satanic Verses part 2"
From: investigateislam
ThatIMayUnderstand 4 years ago
She was doing well until she said that the New Testament gospels are older than the Gnostic Gospels. Then, it went down hill once she called the Gnostic Gospels false. Then, she used the Bible to refute the Gospels. The facts are pretty well in place about the Gnostics, but then she tries to falsify those facts by using half-truths, misinformation, and lies. Anyone educated on the topic can see that this is propaganda.
GregHafer 4 years ago
I Can See... Gnosticism is secret knowledge... like all forms of belief there just a way of thinking...
godfather89 4 years ago
The biblical Gospels are not older than the Gnostic Gospels, Greg? Everything I've heard suggests that they are.
OnTheWingsOfAPhoenix 4 years ago
fundie propoganda. and got almost everything wrong on even the most basic facts of gnostic thought. which is typical for fundies.
heylelshalem 4 years ago
ok this pisses me off. NAW DAH ALL THIS STUFF IN THE DAVINCI CODE IS WRONG. it says fucking fiction on the back of the book.
satanizcool 4 years ago
Manley P. Hall said "Gnosticism is the handmaiden of the mysteries" viz, it is merely the exoteric.
neothomist1275 4 years ago
Also... Many NDE Experiencers of Hell who ought be condemned are shown love and mercy and are given the second chance... Wheres the wrath of God which is mention in that one? Universalism is the answer...
godfather89 4 years ago
Mainstream Church BS to scare us from turning away... It is mention in the bible that the way is small and narrow. Most people take the large way of faith! When in reality it is spirtual knowledge...
godfather89 4 years ago
If the main part of Christian faith teaches the dead shall arise in the same body in which they died according to Pope Gregory the Great, the resurrected will be, in many instances, old and decrepit. Some resurrected will have limbs missing while many will be aborted fetuses or disfigured infants.
mujaku 4 years ago
In 1 Corinthians 15:35--58 the purport is that man will be resurrected in a spirutal body, not a human body. In fact Paul says, "...it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body." Again Paul says, "flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable."
mujaku 4 years ago
This info is ridiculous. I am a practicing Johannite (Gnostic) and this is nowhere close to our beliefs.
whatshappeninnow 4 years ago
I agree, this video is full of propaganda and doesn't really present any convincing evidence as to what the gnostics taugh and why the early fathers of the church decided to included only four gospels. During the early history of the christian church a lot of gospels were destroyed because they were teaching "wrong ideas". They also forgot to mention that many gnostics were christians.
stasik89 4 years ago
It is indeed unfortunate that we only have fragments of the Gnostics teachings. I hope some day we will find some manuscripts that will prove that Gnosticism was indeed a profound teaching.
This video does a great disservice since they did not seek out scholars like Karen Armstrong, Elaine Pagles, and others.
GnosisMan50 4 years ago
this video is anti gnostic and pro orthodox. its propaganda
mcWackraps 4 years ago
This video was just a "hit job" and is not very informative, and just a mash up of different Gnostic sects, if your going to attack something, do it w/ better information...not just whatever you felt you could pull out of a hat. Just becuase you say your a Christian doesn't mean you are, and just beucase you say your a Gnostic, doesn't you are. stop lumping all the Gnostic sects together...they are all completely different w/ different views.
giantcandy 5 years ago 2
It seems intended to show why gnosticism is incompatible w. orthodox Christianity, not a detailed documentary about Gnosticism itself. Gnostics shouldn't have tried to appropriate Christianity when inventing their religion.
AQuinault 4 years ago
You can always say vice versa about the bible, that Christianity of the Gospels took for the Gnostic text...and that has not been disproved...so that in itself is not a valid assumption. No one nows how old Gnosticism is, pre-christ or after, there is know record of the first Gnostic texts. only the dates of the Nag Himaddi are known...but not the text from which they are translated from.
giantcandy 4 years ago
Well, there's 1 or 2 Jesus Seminar types who think Thomas might have early date, but the main developer of this (Valentinus) definately lived in the second century & Christianity was well established by then.
AQuinault 4 years ago
valentinus was the most popular but by no means the developer please please read something other than biased material and learn the truth.
hhein01 3 years ago
gnosticism came first with the pagan groups, it is the gnostic belief that the christ came into this realm via the human jesus to teach us the truth so gnosticism then morphed and continued with christ's message, the same thing with mainstreaqm chrisitanity, they shouldn't have appropriate judaism when they invented their religion, see the same can be said for both mainstream and gnostic.
hhein01 3 years ago
And that's the point... the Gnostics were nothing but a bunch of different sects that lacked cohesion. There's nothing more sepcial about them than the Mormons or JW's. In fact, the Mormons nd JWs could be called modern Gnostic sects! Wanna be a Gnostic? Just join the the Mrmons or JWs.
usminc 3 years ago
actually the mormons have nothing to do with anything gnostic, you are wrong. this video is also wrong, gnostic believe in the absolute, they just don't believe that the creator is the most high, there is one higher
hhein01 3 years ago
actually the mormons have nothing to do with anything gnostic, you are wrong. this video is also wrong, gnostic believe in the absolute, they just don't believe that the creator is the most high, there is one higher
Actually, the are quite Gnostic. Mormons believe they "know" the LDS church is true by recieving divine knowledge which they call a "burning in the bosom" as they call it. Like some of the Gnostic cults of the past, Mornmons believe Lucifer and Jesus were brothers.
usminc 3 years ago
name me the gnostic group that believed that jesus and lucifer were brothers. the gnostics believe everyone can connect with the divine because we all have the divine spark, the mormons believe their leaders can, their leaders!! very different. you talk on here like you know so much, but to those of us who actually study the early periods find you to be quit silly
hhein01 3 years ago
lol! even the LDS has acknolwedged they have similarities w/Gnostics. Hugh Nibley even said so. Mormons say they recieve knowledge from God directly which they call the "burning of the bosom". They also believe in a Heavenly Mother goddess, Gnostics=Sophia goddess. They believe Higher gods than the creator Elohim exist. They believe Lucifer and Christ are spirit brothers. Many, many similarities.
MeanGene777 3 years ago
similarities sure, most religions have similarities, islam and christianity for example. but to say gnostics are the same as mormons is false. and yes spirit brothers is true but this is not a main gnostic teaching or doctrine if you will it is used to highlight that everyone is family, everyone has the same father. higher gods is plural, gnostics believe in one true higher being, everything else are "lesser gods" but it's not really plural, these lesser are emmanations from the high
hhein01 3 years ago
i find it interesting that you join on the 15 of this month and end up here, commenting in a fashion very similar to that other yayhoo usminc. although your profile says 54 and the other says 40 it makes me wonder how two almost senior citizens can be in the same immature mind frame as the two of you and you both find the need to attack me. also i have never known anyone over 30 who knows what lol means all very interestng.
hhein01 3 years ago
If you consider every reply to your comment an attack, then you shouldn't post. And I yes I joined on the 15th, and apparently think I'm USMINC, but I'm not. I'M A MORMON, AND YES THERE ARE SIMILAIRITIES TO GNOSTICISM AND THE LDS! And newsflash, I've been on the 'net before it was the 'net, and there are 80 y.o. that know what lol means. And just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't mean they're immature.
MeanGene777 3 years ago
i do not think every reply is an attack, however usminc's commetns were all in that fashion. he did not say i disagree with what you said he made it into an arguement which yes is a attack. i never said there wasn't some basic similarties but they end there at the basic level. usminc stated that if someone wanted to be gnostic they might as well join the lds, which is wrong since the gnostic path is not close to the mormon path EVEN though it does share some similarties.
hhein01 3 years ago
i said there were some small similarties yes, but they are not the same thing by far. i am very happy for you that you've spent so much time on the internet. if you read my comment i said "I" have never known any older people to know what lol meant. not every comment is immature BUT to start one with LOL is immature, it sets the tone for the rest of the comment meaning you don't start your message well, you start it with disrespect and that is a sign of immaturity
hhein01 3 years ago
i accused you of being usminc due to your word choices and structure of your comments. Hugh Nibley was a mormon scholar, so i don't really care what he thinks, please read my other comment to you on the similarties.
hhein01 3 years ago
the doctrine is quite different please stop talking you appear very stupid because you really have no idea what you are talking about.
hhein01 3 years ago
I see your so called "enlightment" makes you insulting. Very telling of you. if you want to "silly" read "Ancient Christian Magic" which is a treasure trove of ancient Gnostic rubbish, like Gnostic love spells, money spells, and spells of revenge. Your romaticized view of Gnosticism shows you read pop-religion books like Holy Blood Holy Grail. Since I'm apparently debating a teenager from your level of manners, I will not give you the satisfaction of a "flame war".
usminc 3 years ago
i am a gnostic dear and we by no means have love spells, i think you confuse pagan gnostic with christian gnostic. i am an adult, my manners are fine and i am a true gnostic so i do not believe in the holy blood holy grail b.s. i have no romanticized view of anything. you just don't understand gnosticism. all this pop culture gnostic stuff is not true gnosticism.
hhein01 3 years ago
So-called Christian Gnosticism is nothing more than combined Paganism and Christian heresy. GOODBYE.
usminc 3 years ago
gnostics don't have spells, tell me more of these spells, where can one find refrence to them, what group did they come from, please i beg you tell me where to find out about these so called gnostic magic i would love to know. please man up and quote your sources.
hhein01 3 years ago
this is BS they didnt believe in these myths they knew them as allegories, most gnostics dont even believe ther was a real jesus,also they were persecuted and outlawed by your "christian orthodox" church were threatened by this form of self knowledge,
robaquarian 5 years ago
This video was so bad I think it gave me cancer. It's pure propaganda.
MikeWu6 5 years ago
I'm not a neo-Gnostic Christian. Yet, it must be said that Paul himself contrasts the spiritual with the carnal. Also, Paul talks about the Knowledge (Gnosis) of Salvation. For these reasons and others, I believe Paul was a false Apostle. Read the Epistle of the Colossians chapter using a Greek interlinear bible. See why many early Gnostic Christians sects looked to Paul as their Apostle.
hamzaphilip786 5 years ago
Not a false Apostle...he just got Jesus...understood his teachings...and so did the Gnostics, but "the church" wasn't feelin it becuase it lacked structure and a way of control of this "Knowledge" not hidden, it was only hidden becuase the church force them to hide it. or else it would have been burned and lost forever.
giantcandy 5 years ago
clement of alexandria stated that both groups had it wrong, the gnostics think knowledge alone would bring them salvation, the main group thinks faith can bring them salvation but clement said both were wrong it takes a mixture of both for salvation. this is what mystics tend to go by this combination of both
hhein01 3 years ago
your not christian your a muslim. did you know there were and still are muslim gnostics. most gnostics read the mother of books .
hhein01 3 years ago
Absolutely, the Gospel of John used as evidence has had disputed authorship since the 1st Century. Open your eyes, stop the lying to yourself.
farleybenjamin 5 years ago
The more I see of these anti-Gnostic videos the more I think that main stream Christainity is starting to fear Gnosticism.
googledog 5 years ago
That's because it takes away the divinity of Jesus! Why does he need a bloodline, a relationship with Mary or any other gospels like the one of Thomas that talks about Jesus killing a bird and then bring it back to life again?
X2BARREL 5 years ago
The bird story is from the infancy gospel of thomas, not gnostic sources, the bloodline story is not from gnostic sources either. there is far too much to comment on in this worthless vid she cant even get the word right, whats gnogsis?
Abraxasourboros 4 years ago
you are mistaking davinci code b.s. with gnosticism. the davinci code takes one or two lines of a scripture and takes them out of context, makes them as racey as possible and quit frankly that is not what the gnostics thought or took away from the scriptures.
hhein01 3 years ago
The more I see warning labels on cigarettes and anti-smoking laws, the more I think main stream medical professionals and educators fear cigarettes. Remember, one may *rightly* fear something!
AQuinault 4 years ago
Da vinci code and gnostism are no way related
DopeyD1 5 years ago
Thanks for this retarded and just plain wrong mangling of history and philosophy. There are more errors per minute packed into this video than I thought was conceivable within the confines of linguistic possibilities. The fact that you waterless canals still feel compelled to write anti-Gnostic propaganda 1800 years after murdering the Gnostics says much.
Murple333 5 years ago
Let me guess your superior intellect and ultimate wisdom has grace you with a complete record of all mankind's history and philosophy from birth. Where you can make statements like this about Gnosticism being suddenly wipe from the planet some 1800 years ago, the fact we are still talking about the movement is evidence enough of it present existence.
X2BARREL 5 years ago
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