im mad that in the video of the man being tasered he is told to stand up whilst being taserd i dont know about any of you but i have been shocked with a stun gun which makes it very difficult to stand or even move.
what's the big deal? He was unruly, out of control, refused to leave and show ID. He got tased, and DESERVED IT. You belly-achers and cop haters should be glad this happened....it gave you yet another chance in your liberal and miserable life to complain about "police brutality."
yeah, UClA to the taser rescue! shut yo mouth and it will be ok. don't you know there is no free speech anymore? where do you think you are man? In America? Ha! Fooled ya. Nope you r in UCLA....the Bear in the Woods.....no speech 4 u.
resisting arrest is a crime, which most people dont seem to understand, and take into consideration we did not see what occured before the video started. If you have proper knowledge of the 50,000 volt taser law enforcement personnel are instilled with, after voltage is stopped, the recovery time is about 10 seconds, from what i have seen, it might even be shorter.
Recovery is almost instantaneous. Even with the Taser in full deployment, an officer needs to have help coming to affect an arrest (especially on someone that wants to fight).
As brutal as the TASER looks (because electricity scares so many people), it's actually safer, creates less damage to the arrestee, and is lower in the force continuum than impact weapons such as the PR-24, expandable batons, and the Carotid Control Technique (in most police departments).
oh yeah, he was armed and throwing fist.....oh, no...wait a minute.....the problem was his ..mouth.....yeah... the good ole Constitution 1st amenement every time will make those commies yelp.
They did ask him to leave.. he didnt.. they raised their voices.. he didnt leave still.. so then they use force.. its his own fault and they were doing their jobs
Why's the guy shouting "patriotic act" and all that..when he can just show his ID, and if he can't..the campus police gets suspicious..what happens when if person w/o ID starts crime in campus..then campus police would be blamed for "not doing there job".
It's not the fault of the individual police men. I think the guy who hired them should be fired. How come at the malls the police are so skinny and polite but at UCLA they are big mothetfukers steroid bodies? All that steroid makes their balls shrink and makes them bitter about life so they tazer people
I'm a police officer. I carry the same taser and had to get tased. I didn't break any laws. It lasts 5 sec's and your done. No after effects like chemical sprays or being hit. He was obstructing justice by not listening. Our policy says we can use it when confronted with agression or resistance or the possibility of said. They were totally within the law. He put himself in that position, not the cops. THEY GOT BETTER THINGS TO DO. We don't get paid to get hurt, shot, stabbed.
danielg- it seems that most of the comments about the taser incident are from people who just plain don't understand the principals of LAW. YOU ACT STUPID, FAIL TO FOLLOW THE LAW, YOU GONNA GET IN TROUBLE ! STAY SAFE FROM ALABAMA FOP
SHADOWCOMPANY1: So you automatically think that ALL police follow laws as well? What happens when they don't, and YOU'RE the victim of it? It happens in LA every day!! Seriously...
It is well established under California law that even "an outright refusal to cooperate with police officers cannot create adequate grounds for [police] intrusion" without more. People v. Bower, 24 Cal. 3d 638, 649 (1979).
You are a stupidass. They did ask him to leave you art lovin. tree huggin, man titted, peachfuzzed sportin cocksucker. PS You could use a dash of Taser yourself assclown.
To address his opening comments: The police asked for ID and the student said "Fuck you". The police were justified in tasing this guy. Then you have these little academians in the background saying "give me your badge number". I would have arrested them for interferring.
Unfortunately the police are open game to uneducated students and those who think they know everything about police work. It goes with the territory. It always amazes me... cop goes to arrest someone or take a report and everybody knows how he should do his job. Painter comes to your house to do work, but nobody tells him what to do. Frickin' dumbshits..... need to go back to school and pay attention this time.
I will still say that statistics dictates that a percentage of the populous will react differently than the larger portion. I have seen some people recover instantaneously, I have also seen some that take up almost a minute to recover.
Not really. I've never seen anyone take that long to recover. It's a simple fact, though, that once the current stops you have motor function back. I guess we can agree to disagree.
Very well put, I'm glad some here are professional, in the end I will agree that the law has to be enforced. It is a difficult job that no one can fully grasp until they do it themselves.
I'm not saying that the student was right whatsoever, I do believe the situation could have been handled such that it relfected better on UC's police dept. There is a video here of an Ohio trooper who uses the taser the way it was meant to be used look up "drunk tasered". This was ACTIVE resistance.
Have you ever been fucking tased? You can't walk right away after being tased man, gimme a break. The cops were definitely idiots and the violence was not needed.
I HAVE been tasered, and you most certainly CAN get right up and walk or run or jump or get on a treadmill. Have you been tasered? Probably not. Those cops have, because they carry it and must be able to testify as to it's effects. You are definitely an idiot.
I have also been tasered, and found My leg and lower back muscles tightened up such that I could not get up for just under a minute. We should look at the fact that NOT ALL people react the same to these weapons before insulting others.
Go have your health checked because tasers don't work like that on healthy individuals, trust me. Thousands of cops and every single employee of Taser International have been tasered. Many of these accounts are on video and not a single one shows anyone NOT able to get right up and usually LAUGH.
Here it is spelled out for you. It's real simple. School makes rules. Student breaks rules. Security is called. Student becomes belligerent. Police are called. Student is given commands. Student does not comply. STUDENT MAKES THE CHOICE TO ESCALATE THE SITUATION (this is where the clip starts). Police give more commands warning that a taser will be used. Student still resists. Police deal with the situation. Clip is posted on youtube. Then a bunch of you start to bitch. It's that simple.
I am perfectly healthy. 6'-4". 270lbs, workout 3 times a week, jog a mile twice a week, eat well and all vitals look excellent. To generalize that YOU or ALL of the population react the same, reflects ignorance on your part.
Okay, you're right, people with above average muscle mass, like yourself, are affected more by the taser. However, this kid was not built like you. He didn't have a lot of muscle mass and therefore would not be as affected as you.
No, because common sense would tell you what happens when you get shot or hit. The taser, on the other hand, is a different case, it has a certain mystique about it. Nobody in the general public really understands it.
what do you mean people don't understand it? it's electricity, it hurts you, it shocks you, it diables you for a bit, it fucks you up. there's fucking "mystique" about it...dumb ass.
I've been tased (I tried it on myself; seriously) -- and it hurts pretty badly, especially where the pins have stuck in. He was hand-cuffed and clearly being tortured. Tasers are for immobilization purposes -- not punishment and torture.
Ya taser's do hurt. Have you ever fought someone in handcuff's? There are ways to break the chains. There are also ways to kill cops with the handcuff's on. You need to think before you speak. Torture. Hahaha. You don't know what torture is. I don't believe that you've been tasered before. 5 seconds, ouch. must hurt a lot.....oh wait been there done that. Yes it hurt, but after the shock stopped, it was over. Man I should sue, that was torture. Ouch.
"You need to think before you speak. Torture. Hahaha. You don't know what torture is. I don't believe that you've been tasered before."
You have no clue as to what I do for a living, obviously. YES, I've tasered myself many a time, I DO know what torture is (I was required to write a thesis on variations of such throughout history), and YOU should think before you speak. I could run circles around your arguments.
You're acting like a student is exempt from crime. The student over-reacted a little? Yes it's true police should have tougher skins than most. Police should be able to take comments, like fuck off. Do you really believe that those officer's were stupid? Make another video of when you believe the officer's should use the taser. I'll comment on that.
The LAPD was the subject of MANY videos because of their actions on May 1, 2007. Most people that become a police officer have issues regarding power strugges developed during maturing years. What you said before, about the hand-cuff issue, is true. I can easily slip cuffs under my legs and make them an extremely lethal weapon. I don't fear electricity, but to some -- it IS torture -- the sensation and the unfamiliarity with the pain is too much for what he was doing. Fuckin' drag his ass away!
What arguments would you start if the officer's had dragged him away. That would have been another type of brutality. So you tasered yourself. Would you like to tell me what model of taser? How far apart we the probes? Or did you drive stun yourself? There is a big difference between tasers. There are those that people can fight through, and those that people can't fight through.
I've tased myself and been tased by an X26. I didn't take notes (sorry? lol). I also have had another shot at me (willingly) many years back, and don't remember any specifics except that I know that the X26 is more effective. I couldn't do ANYTHING when I was hit by the X26 (I actually struck my head from the fall). The earlier gun, I remember that I could still walk, had some muscle control, etc. Dragging a dude into a car isn't police brutality if the officers know standard procedure.
This guy must be an expert in criminal law, phsycology, socialogy, and much more. NBC should hire him as an advisor. But hey for a comedian you told a good joke!
How do the cops know he is a student? He wouldn't show his ID. If you do not have your ID after 11pm then you get kicked out of the library. If you do not voluntarily leave, or leave within a timely manner, you get forced out. The cops did nothing wrong, this is the protocol at UCLA.
may be the guy was not to do what he should do (we've got to this about the grammar of "should" here) but an experimentation... how far to go to far with authorities. it seems their is no looseness around the law. when you cross the line an inch to far, the dogs kick your ass brutaly. I am french and in my country such such authoritarian behavior come back on fashion braught back by some populist loudmouthed.
you're a dumbass pavlikmynutz. the USA is much larger than your country with a 15k illegals entering per day. we have much greater problems with crime than you do stupid. your patrol police don't even carry guns you douchebag.
When any Cop tells you what to do, you do EXACTLY as you are told. If you escalate the situation you can expect the cop to escalate in order to maintain control over your lousy ass!
If for some reason the cop is out of line, you question that later in the proper forum.
This is straight forward and to the point. No one else knows why this student acted the way he did. Was he totally innocent or was he possibly trying to incite the police. It looks like the latter to me.
Yeah cops should be able to tazer everybody in handcuffs. I believe, as I'm sure you do, that when a man(maybe even a young man) has his hand tied behind his back an officer has every right to torture him with 120,000 volts of electricity no matter what. Good stuff.
someone in handcuffs can still be a possible threat. they can still bite, headbutt, kick, etc. a decent martial artist can throw plenty of damaging kicks with his hands cuffed. getting tasered is much safer for him than getting his ass beat with a cop's Tongfa.
First of all, your figure is way off. The newest taser, the most powerful yet, is rated at 50000 volts. Second of all, voltage is not what hurts people, amperage is. Even with a voltage of 1,000,000v, as in a Van de Graaff generator, it is harmless to touch because of such a low current. The taser has an average current of 2.1mA. For comparison, a defibrillator puts out about 50 times that.
Have you noticed the video clip that we are commenting on? If you take a look at my initial comments, they were in response to someone taking issue with how officers recponded and their use of tazers. It is my opinion that the Officers acted accordingly - and that a tazer was much better than getting shot or struck with a baton. So, to respond to your question, I can in fact read. As for the swearing in your comment - not necessary and terribly unprofessional.
How do you know they did not ask him first, they probably did. Then he would have refused and is then breaking the law and they may need to arrest him. I am not from USA so dont know laws there but if he then resisted arrest they had to move up the force scale. They cant just keep asking.
Yeah...that student didn't sound very calm about leaving the library quietly. And what makes a student less of a danger than anyone else? These days everyone is concerned with students walking into schools with guns and whatnot. I like how this moron assumes that what he knows from some candid shitty video sums up accurately the situation. If this was first video blog, it should be your last one too.
500fps - a bit of an exageration, but definitely drew some comments from the peanut gallery. If you are carrying a "duty weapon" then i suppose you are employed in a position that requires such a tool. If so, you are the type of person that preferes to hide behind rhetoric then to actually deal with a physical situation.
Keep up the good work, and enjoy the world as a Monday Morning Quarterback.
I'M hiding behind rhetoric??? You're the idiot who thinks a gun shoots at 5000 feet per second. That's an exaggeration, I'd say. The peanut gallery? I'm a cop, I actually can comment from an educated standpoint in this situation. Can you relate to it? Oh yeah, we get into a hell of a lot more physical struggles than shootings, idiot.
I guess you're one those police officers that avoids physical situations, and relies on others to deal with it - probably working behind the front desk. As a police officer you should be aware that using tazers has significantly reduced injuries to both police officers and civilians. Once again, I guess your perch from behind the front desk at the station is easy to lob comments at officers that are actually out in the streets dealing with violent people.
I just got done saying how many more physical struggles we get into than shootings, meaning we fight more than we use weapons. I'm a patrol deputy you asshole, I'm in it every day.
Hey you are really nice. Actually, I think the campus orderlies were absolutely wrong. They had absolutely no justification in their conduct towards the student.
You don't think it's right for a student to get tazered? Fair enough, but what about a guy who can't prove he's a student and is inciting a crowd? Of course it's easy to say that it was excessive, but let's be honest here and acknowledge that this video is lacking in it's representation of the entire incident.
Getting tazered is better then getting punched, hit with a baton, peppersprayed or shot. Thats the reality. Less injury to the assailant. I have been tazered. It is incredible pain, for a matter of seconds - whereas other use of force options have the ability to leave long lasting injuries. As for racial issues - they are and will always be an opportunity for people to manipulate it for personal gain.
So do tasers. My friend was tasered by the cops for jaywalking(that was just stupid), and since then he's developed a twitch, and says that the taser that he felt was worse than when he broke his leg. This isn't the standard tazzer we are talking about that people get for self defense. This is a standard issue taser gun this one realeases 50,000 volts into someone,
I agree that being tasered is better than being shot but, what the hell kind of handgun shoots a bullet at 5000 fps??? My duty weapon shoots at less than 1000.
"Those cops are really fucking stupid for what they've done- we all know that..."
Excellent fucking arguement. I feel enlightened. Your opinion sucks, and I'm tired of liberals like yourself with the mindset that their opinion needs to be heard. Nevermind the fact that they know nothing about the subject at hand that they have the opinion about in the first place.
And no my screen name has nothing to do with my intelligence level, and I bet you are probably a college student trying to look for justice. You probably one of those people who protests about someone getting tased.
To add, Why would some one make a big deal out of having to show ID? If you get randomly stopped and they say let me see some ID becuase you are in an area that requires it, why not show it? If someone is going to be that stupid and state it was over being subject to racial profiling I would have made him leave,
Another BS profiling claim, Oh I was profiled because we are at war with the middle east, I can guarantee that if it was some white guy who got tased it would not be a racial issue but becuase of what I put above thats why. And guess what if that Officer had asked those "white guys" directly and they refused they would have been kicked out just like him. Go try to pull that race card BS some where else.
I won't repeat myself again. Re-read my other point about the race issue more carefully because you obviously aren't listening. In any case, they abused him. They could have just dragged him out from the start, he went limp. Instead they tasered him 5 times, then dragged him out anyway.
Like I said before if you would have read my comments, I am not saying the way the cops dealt with this situation perfectly, but it was by the book. And you are making this a race issue because the cops were not the same race. Get off your soap box.
It wasn't a matter of his ID card being forgotten at home. He HAD his ID. He didn't show it because he felt he was being subjected to racial profiling. He even asked them to card all the white guys at the table, so he wouldn't feel like he was being discriminated against. They refused.
Again we make this a discrimination issue, I feel race should have nothing to do with it. If you are on my "beat" and I ask you for ID you should not feel like I am asking you for it because of your race but because Usually its late at night in a non populated area.
Do not make me repeat myself. Now for the second time, he asked them to card all the white guys at the table so he didn't feel like he was being profiled, and they REFUSED, which proves he was being profiled.
What ever there is no hope for you people. I cant wait for the day you get your dumb ass tazerd 4 times while hand cuffed. Then don't try to see them because as you just said they did the right thing.
He deserved it at least once. He was asked to leave several times and then he tried to incite a riot.
Why does he deserve special treatment? Because he has an obvious inferiority complex? I would like to see some more than half assed proof he was racially profiled. Even if he was, all he had to do was file a complaint later.
People cannot just conduct themselves in that manner everytime they feel profiled and/or harassed.
Show me in the force continuum were it says anything about people who are already hand cuffed. I know you can use level three force if the subject is not compliant but not when he is cuffed do some more studying if you want to be a cop.
Oh dont think my studying has suddenly stopped and I suddenly know it all however, Like I said I would have done the situation differently if I was the arresting officer. Clearly they didnt deal with it the best way. This is obvious because of the hate videos that spawned from it.
And yes you were right that in most situations you want to use the least force possible however if you go by the force continuum and your department policy it may allow more for situations.
Sure the cops could have done the situation differently, and You are most likely an IA detective if anything. Hell I would have done it differently, but I wasnt there, I cant speak for them, 1 video is crappy, 2 everyone has a different point of veiw on the situation whether they actually know what they are talking about or were there. And to add Not all the laws are the same for each state, but you would know that because you are a detective?
Dont even try to question me, WA state has recently lowered their age for their cadets. But you would know that because you live here. Also to clarify, I never said that what those cops did was perfect, however for the situation they did their job.
Yes im am sure they did, to bad you it is called State Police not State Patrol and you must be 21 to get into the State Police but you already knew that.
Anyways if you are really a cop I give you respect, but If you are just some lying person who likes to sway peoples opinion for your benifit I hope you get you ass kicked. And please stop trying to make fun of me or trying to say that I have no law enforcement experience, becuase its not true, you know nothing about me.
You are 19 how much law enforcement experiance can you possible have if you arnt even a cop. Come talk to me when you have made over 1200 arests and worked over 2000 cases.
I DONT EVEN KNOW YOU ARE A COP!, from your earlier statments its hard for me to say anything more than you are just an opinionated person. I find it difficult to prove, you say you are but talks cheap.
And personally most cops hate dirty cops, they will report their co workers because the last thing you want to do is be fired over it. Also Im not going to bother commenting on this subject because I have made my points on 4 different videos. Im done, I wish the best for those cops.
Also to add I have many of storys of while Im on the job and if you want to say that How can I become part of State Patrol at the age of 19 and a half? Well my state lowered the age so people can become cadets.
I personally dont want to talk to anyone who wants to call me a lier, and obviously if you were a detective you would be able to explain many of the aspects of law enforcement, but you cant, because of that I dont wish to talk to you.
My great grandfather founded the police here in my town. My father was in the Army and served 30 years on the same force. I started doing BEA work when I was 21, I am now a detective. I cant tell by your posts you are nothing but a lier so save yourself the embaressment.
I dont have to defend myself, I know my own past and also the storys that came with it. And if you were really a detective you are either a crappy one or a lier.
Also to add yes I do have alot of law enforcement experience, Im going to go work for State patrol next year and yes Im proud, maybe when you look out side your box you might learn something.
Actually I had a really skinny guys whom I put cuffs on and he happened to be on PCP and well he got out of the cuffs by pulling them off, he caused bleeding to himself but he didnt care. I had to tase him just to get some form of bandage on him and get the cuffs back on. It took me and a couple of officers to do this.
So all you people who are posting in agreement with the police, you just look like a moron because this cop is going to loose his job and this is going to cost the school alot of money. The black cop is the one with the history of violence the one who kept saying "get up or im going to taze you". I guess you could call him NWA.
So in other word your law enforcement experiance is, you dont have any law enforcement experiance. In May 1990, he was accused of using his nightstick to choke someone who was hanging out on a Saturday in front of a UCLA fraternity. Kente S. Scott alleged that Duren confronted him while he was walking on the street outside the Theta Xi fraternity house.
Scott sued the university, and according to court records, UCLA officials moved to have Duren dismissed from the police force.
Oh yeah and If you were wondering what My law enforcement experience is Ill list it for you logical films, I have been through law enforcement classes for the past 2 years, this includes law and enforcement. I have done community service as an explorer for the police department, I also have worked school security as an internship,
and Worked in the evidence and logistical side of the Sheriffs department. Also to add, I have worked uniformed security for the past year, which means yes I handcuff and yes I tase people. which also means I have been tased. I also deal with theft and mostly domestic violence. I can hardly say you are more than a simple minded person who thinks all cops are corrupt. forgot to put the rest because i was tired and went to bed ass.
uh huh a bad incident right, but basing that on everything, thats where you are wrong, please step off your soap box and think outside of it. Boot Camp for kids, is actually a great way to build team work and companionship, I know I went through it wasnt that bad.
Even if the first taser was arguably justified, there is no reason to "taser" a handcuffed suspect, especially some little college-kid. You can't just taser someone for being a jerk. That just excalated the situation.
They try to ask him to leave he refused several times and they he resisted when they arrested him. The people there were starting to interfere with the arrest
Good commentary but you sound so idealistic and out of touch w/ reality. I guess that's typical for college students. I watched the video and I heard a very belligerent kid who refused to cooperate w/ those officers after being requested to do so umpteen times. What are they to do? Throw flowers at him and say "pretty please get you dumb ass off the floor?" The student was acting like a foul-mouthed, punk and got what he deserved.
Its good you agree, the funny thing is with this video is that people didnt see what happened before the kid got tasered, if people read the news story they would understand.
and you just lost all respect from people when you attack them personally, just becuase you had a bad run in with the police because you are ignorant doesnt mean you should start a lets hate cops campaign. Assuming that you think that I obviously dont know what or how to do my job or a cops. you are sad really
Too many people watching our nightly news; fighting in Iraq. We have forgotten our rights.It's UCLA cops, NOT LAPolice. The UCLA Police act in a manner that UC establishment condones. There has been no leaders from the Universities to lead us forward. My challenge: For the next 365 dayslet us all work at posting everwhere the 1-4th ammendent to the USConstitution!copies, copies copies
I've worked as an electrician's helper, and i've been shocked working with wires, so i can somewhat understand... first of yeah 50,000 volts would sting but a tazer running at 500,000 volts would feel more like a fucking hammer to the stomach... so yeah I can see why he would make a big deal over it, and why the cops should be prosicuted for what they have done
Let me clear this up, A Taser lets out 50,000 volts, a Stungun can range from 50,000 to 500,000 volts, these two devices are two different things that affect you two different wasys.
I'm glad that arab got tasered. He acts like a martyr, trying to incite the students around him to "fight back". Why doesn't that arab go back to his ancestor's country and try that shit there!
You're not too bright are you? First of all, Persians are not Arabs. Why don't you go get an education or at least watch the movie, "Crash," that was released last year. Maybe you will get a clue, you stupid f#@%ing American, and I can say that because I'm an American (in fact, a decendent of our first U.S. president). Why don't you go get an education and learn something about other cultures around the globe instead of thinking that you are so superior.
The cops seem to eb missing the point. They may be authorized to use the tazer in that circumstance... but that's EXACTLY the problem. Tazers are in the wrong spot on the use of force scale used by police. Cops don't exist to enforce compliance, they exist to solve certain problems and they need to keep their eye on those and not overreact to noncompliance in non-violent situations.
But also on that same rung of the force continuum was OC spray, which means oleoresin capsicum, Pepperspray, the police could have used that and I could bet every single person in that crowd would feel the effects, a Taser is clean and is a less lethal device on the same rung.
True, but I don't think the tazer was the correct choice (even though it was legally authorized.) In cases like that where there is no certain threat I think the best approach is to reason with the guy. I know officers are trained to repeat the same command over and over until they gain compliance, but i think that is a counterproductive tactic in non-violent situations. Police should only use tazers or spray as almost last resorts...
Rather than repeat the same command they should have said, "yes, we realize you're a student, but this is the policy. Is there another student that can verify that you're a student?" etc. I know this goes against training, but different tactics for different situations. Police are professionals and we have a right to expect that they be good at their jobs and that the job consists of doing everything possible to avoid use of force.
Im not saying they did everything perfect, however what they did was legal and by the legal code. I would have done it differently, but most people who comment here havent read the news pile, they have just seen the video and decided that they know everything.
this video pisses me off. and renta1cop you obviously dont know anything because if you get tased for 3-5 seconds you cant move for atleast 5 minutes so shows how much you know. the point of being tased is to immobilize you so what would the point be if you would feel fine afterwards? you idiot
You fail to realise that in almost all my comments I state I have been tased as part of training, I know the effects so dont call me an idiot. And No its real easy to get up its called standing up
You dont know what you are talking about. You need to go research on the ways we do our job and then I would be more than happy to read your comment. This obviously wasnt a quiet situation, if it was there wouldnt had been a crowd. He didnt want to leave and made a scene I dont see how you can make that quiet. People got scared because of his behavior, they didnt like the cops because they needed to remove him and it got worse
Instead of tazering the kid, the UCPD should have focused ONLY on quietly and calmly getting him out without scaring people, even if it had taken a couple hours. That would have been more effective and I bet you they would have successfully got him out! :)
Tazer wasn't needed in this situation and the police did NOT handle this matter well. Cops shouldn't use weapons against someone unless the other has a weapon too or has an *obvious* means to hurt people. The police had no evidence that the kid had a weapon or had the motivation to hurt them.
When you go learn the force continuum and then you can come talk to me on what was necessary in this situation. It had nothing to do with any weapons involved. Go learn and then comment until then you dont know what the hell you are talking about
The taser is a wonderful law enforcement tool used to modify someones behavior, he could have been sprayed with OC but that might get on the people standing around this violent subject. This kid has issues and if he thinks he will get a dime from those police he has another thing coming.
im mad that in the video of the man being tasered he is told to stand up whilst being taserd i dont know about any of you but i have been shocked with a stun gun which makes it very difficult to stand or even move.
DMAN4u2 2 years ago
"politely ask the student to leave"? I guess the librarian has done that in the first place when he refused to show his ID.
vidvidvidvidvid 3 years ago
why you keep your head shaking?? it is so irritating!!!
ted3388 4 years ago
what's the big deal? He was unruly, out of control, refused to leave and show ID. He got tased, and DESERVED IT. You belly-achers and cop haters should be glad this happened....it gave you yet another chance in your liberal and miserable life to complain about "police brutality."
aaaredskin 4 years ago
excuse me, are we still in America???
The same America that I fought for???
Were those Americans in that room???
Shame on you for sitting there and do nothing...
you should have come to the defense of another American!!!!
Ten Solders and Nixon Commin... four dead in OHIO......!!!!!
flesherc 4 years ago
Dumbass
gtyree 4 years ago
yeah, UClA to the taser rescue! shut yo mouth and it will be ok. don't you know there is no free speech anymore? where do you think you are man? In America? Ha! Fooled ya. Nope you r in UCLA....the Bear in the Woods.....no speech 4 u.
rockygreenmountains 4 years ago
resisting arrest is a crime, which most people dont seem to understand, and take into consideration we did not see what occured before the video started. If you have proper knowledge of the 50,000 volt taser law enforcement personnel are instilled with, after voltage is stopped, the recovery time is about 10 seconds, from what i have seen, it might even be shorter.
TheBlitz1 4 years ago
Recovery is almost instantaneous. Even with the Taser in full deployment, an officer needs to have help coming to affect an arrest (especially on someone that wants to fight).
As brutal as the TASER looks (because electricity scares so many people), it's actually safer, creates less damage to the arrestee, and is lower in the force continuum than impact weapons such as the PR-24, expandable batons, and the Carotid Control Technique (in most police departments).
getacluedude 4 years ago
oh yeah, he was armed and throwing fist.....oh, no...wait a minute.....the problem was his ..mouth.....yeah... the good ole Constitution 1st amenement every time will make those commies yelp.
rockygreenmountains 4 years ago
They did ask him to leave.. he didnt.. they raised their voices.. he didnt leave still.. so then they use force.. its his own fault and they were doing their jobs
Allstar2905 4 years ago
columbine, virginia tech. , student shootings
adeunyc 4 years ago
Why's the guy shouting "patriotic act" and all that..when he can just show his ID, and if he can't..the campus police gets suspicious..what happens when if person w/o ID starts crime in campus..then campus police would be blamed for "not doing there job".
why that guy made such a "big event" out of it?
musicdisciple 4 years ago
It's not the fault of the individual police men. I think the guy who hired them should be fired. How come at the malls the police are so skinny and polite but at UCLA they are big mothetfukers steroid bodies? All that steroid makes their balls shrink and makes them bitter about life so they tazer people
kevinatucla 4 years ago
The US is like NAZI GERMANY IN WW2. SHOW ME YOURE PAPERS OR COME WITH ME. This hole country is a nazi prison camp.
LogicalFilms 4 years ago
I'm a police officer. I carry the same taser and had to get tased. I didn't break any laws. It lasts 5 sec's and your done. No after effects like chemical sprays or being hit. He was obstructing justice by not listening. Our policy says we can use it when confronted with agression or resistance or the possibility of said. They were totally within the law. He put himself in that position, not the cops. THEY GOT BETTER THINGS TO DO. We don't get paid to get hurt, shot, stabbed.
danielg93257 4 years ago
danielg- it seems that most of the comments about the taser incident are from people who just plain don't understand the principals of LAW. YOU ACT STUPID, FAIL TO FOLLOW THE LAW, YOU GONNA GET IN TROUBLE ! STAY SAFE FROM ALABAMA FOP
SHADOWCOMPANY1 4 years ago
SHADOWCOMPANY1: So you automatically think that ALL police follow laws as well? What happens when they don't, and YOU'RE the victim of it? It happens in LA every day!! Seriously...
galleryum 4 years ago
It is well established under California law that even "an outright refusal to cooperate with police officers cannot create adequate grounds for [police] intrusion" without more. People v. Bower, 24 Cal. 3d 638, 649 (1979).
galleryum 4 years ago
Hey much respect to you man. I appreciate your views.
alipio22 4 years ago
You are a stupidass. They did ask him to leave you art lovin. tree huggin, man titted, peachfuzzed sportin cocksucker. PS You could use a dash of Taser yourself assclown.
chamma55 4 years ago
To address his opening comments: The police asked for ID and the student said "Fuck you". The police were justified in tasing this guy. Then you have these little academians in the background saying "give me your badge number". I would have arrested them for interferring.
christopherduke 4 years ago
Unfortunately the police are open game to uneducated students and those who think they know everything about police work. It goes with the territory. It always amazes me... cop goes to arrest someone or take a report and everybody knows how he should do his job. Painter comes to your house to do work, but nobody tells him what to do. Frickin' dumbshits..... need to go back to school and pay attention this time.
getacluedude 4 years ago
Iranian students don't have to show ID they are special.they are PC pussys .show ID or leave ,100 times.fuck em crack his skull open
louis12346 4 years ago
I will still say that statistics dictates that a percentage of the populous will react differently than the larger portion. I have seen some people recover instantaneously, I have also seen some that take up almost a minute to recover.
tito1621 4 years ago
Not really. I've never seen anyone take that long to recover. It's a simple fact, though, that once the current stops you have motor function back. I guess we can agree to disagree.
topdeputy07 4 years ago
Very well put, I'm glad some here are professional, in the end I will agree that the law has to be enforced. It is a difficult job that no one can fully grasp until they do it themselves.
tito1621 4 years ago
10-4
topdeputy07 4 years ago
I'm not saying that the student was right whatsoever, I do believe the situation could have been handled such that it relfected better on UC's police dept. There is a video here of an Ohio trooper who uses the taser the way it was meant to be used look up "drunk tasered". This was ACTIVE resistance.
tito1621 4 years ago
Just comply! Provide your ID when asked, if your told to move on and you resist, well Resistance is Futile!
sdjakeblues 4 years ago
over reacted a little? he was being a schmuck and he got his liberal retard ass tasered. life goes on. lesson learned
MoparRebellion 4 years ago
Over-reacting?
Have you ever been fucking tased? You can't walk right away after being tased man, gimme a break. The cops were definitely idiots and the violence was not needed.
kahlanknight 4 years ago
I HAVE been tasered, and you most certainly CAN get right up and walk or run or jump or get on a treadmill. Have you been tasered? Probably not. Those cops have, because they carry it and must be able to testify as to it's effects. You are definitely an idiot.
topdeputy07 4 years ago
I have also been tasered, and found My leg and lower back muscles tightened up such that I could not get up for just under a minute. We should look at the fact that NOT ALL people react the same to these weapons before insulting others.
tito1621 4 years ago
Go have your health checked because tasers don't work like that on healthy individuals, trust me. Thousands of cops and every single employee of Taser International have been tasered. Many of these accounts are on video and not a single one shows anyone NOT able to get right up and usually LAUGH.
topdeputy07 4 years ago
Here it is spelled out for you. It's real simple. School makes rules. Student breaks rules. Security is called. Student becomes belligerent. Police are called. Student is given commands. Student does not comply. STUDENT MAKES THE CHOICE TO ESCALATE THE SITUATION (this is where the clip starts). Police give more commands warning that a taser will be used. Student still resists. Police deal with the situation. Clip is posted on youtube. Then a bunch of you start to bitch. It's that simple.
1punkfromcanada 4 years ago
I am perfectly healthy. 6'-4". 270lbs, workout 3 times a week, jog a mile twice a week, eat well and all vitals look excellent. To generalize that YOU or ALL of the population react the same, reflects ignorance on your part.
tito1621 4 years ago
Okay, you're right, people with above average muscle mass, like yourself, are affected more by the taser. However, this kid was not built like you. He didn't have a lot of muscle mass and therefore would not be as affected as you.
TMACMVP07 4 years ago
cops carry guns to, does that mean they have to get shot (with out vest)to testify as to it's effects?:)
They also carry batons, do they have to get the shit beat out of them so they can be able to testify as to it's effects?:)
chango714 4 years ago
No, because common sense would tell you what happens when you get shot or hit. The taser, on the other hand, is a different case, it has a certain mystique about it. Nobody in the general public really understands it.
topdeputy07 4 years ago
what do you mean people don't understand it? it's electricity, it hurts you, it shocks you, it diables you for a bit, it fucks you up. there's fucking "mystique" about it...dumb ass.
chango714 4 years ago
I'm a dumbass? Have you been tased? I have, you dumb asshole.
topdeputy07 4 years ago
if you have ever been tased then yes, you are a dumbass for giving the cops or anyone a reason to taser you.
Tybrizown 4 years ago
I've been tased (I tried it on myself; seriously) -- and it hurts pretty badly, especially where the pins have stuck in. He was hand-cuffed and clearly being tortured. Tasers are for immobilization purposes -- not punishment and torture.
galleryum 4 years ago
Ya taser's do hurt. Have you ever fought someone in handcuff's? There are ways to break the chains. There are also ways to kill cops with the handcuff's on. You need to think before you speak. Torture. Hahaha. You don't know what torture is. I don't believe that you've been tasered before. 5 seconds, ouch. must hurt a lot.....oh wait been there done that. Yes it hurt, but after the shock stopped, it was over. Man I should sue, that was torture. Ouch.
Deputy918 4 years ago
"You need to think before you speak. Torture. Hahaha. You don't know what torture is. I don't believe that you've been tasered before."
You have no clue as to what I do for a living, obviously. YES, I've tasered myself many a time, I DO know what torture is (I was required to write a thesis on variations of such throughout history), and YOU should think before you speak. I could run circles around your arguments.
galleryum 4 years ago
Oh pleeeeeeez.....!
I can walk up to Hollywood Blvd. and buy a taser-gun. How "mystical"!!! lol!!!
galleryum 4 years ago
You're acting like a student is exempt from crime. The student over-reacted a little? Yes it's true police should have tougher skins than most. Police should be able to take comments, like fuck off. Do you really believe that those officer's were stupid? Make another video of when you believe the officer's should use the taser. I'll comment on that.
Deputy918 4 years ago
The LAPD was the subject of MANY videos because of their actions on May 1, 2007. Most people that become a police officer have issues regarding power strugges developed during maturing years. What you said before, about the hand-cuff issue, is true. I can easily slip cuffs under my legs and make them an extremely lethal weapon. I don't fear electricity, but to some -- it IS torture -- the sensation and the unfamiliarity with the pain is too much for what he was doing. Fuckin' drag his ass away!
galleryum 4 years ago
What arguments would you start if the officer's had dragged him away. That would have been another type of brutality. So you tasered yourself. Would you like to tell me what model of taser? How far apart we the probes? Or did you drive stun yourself? There is a big difference between tasers. There are those that people can fight through, and those that people can't fight through.
Deputy918 4 years ago
I've tased myself and been tased by an X26. I didn't take notes (sorry? lol). I also have had another shot at me (willingly) many years back, and don't remember any specifics except that I know that the X26 is more effective. I couldn't do ANYTHING when I was hit by the X26 (I actually struck my head from the fall). The earlier gun, I remember that I could still walk, had some muscle control, etc. Dragging a dude into a car isn't police brutality if the officers know standard procedure.
galleryum 4 years ago
"get on a treadmill" hahahha.
musicdisciple 4 years ago
The Student was wrong! The police are justified.
RebeccaChambers555 4 years ago
You said the police should've asked the student to leave. What if he didn't?
Government is always backed up by force (otherwise it would be a suggestion, not a law).
The real question is what is the proper role of force in society?
FreeStateProject*org is right in my opinion
shipple 5 years ago
This guy must be an expert in criminal law, phsycology, socialogy, and much more. NBC should hire him as an advisor. But hey for a comedian you told a good joke!
mees5 5 years ago
How do the cops know he is a student? He wouldn't show his ID. If you do not have your ID after 11pm then you get kicked out of the library. If you do not voluntarily leave, or leave within a timely manner, you get forced out. The cops did nothing wrong, this is the protocol at UCLA.
oakraidersfan 5 years ago
Strongly Agree!
mees5 5 years ago
may be the guy was not to do what he should do (we've got to this about the grammar of "should" here) but an experimentation... how far to go to far with authorities. it seems their is no looseness around the law. when you cross the line an inch to far, the dogs kick your ass brutaly. I am french and in my country such such authoritarian behavior come back on fashion braught back by some populist loudmouthed.
We've got to make a choice someday.
lejob 5 years ago
@getacluedude
not in my country pal.
you yanks are so brainwashed, its hilarious.
arent you the same fuckwits who are always being sent to your deaths in the name of freedom?
does anyone over there actually have a clue what freedom is?
pavlik2012 5 years ago
you're a dumbass pavlikmynutz. the USA is much larger than your country with a 15k illegals entering per day. we have much greater problems with crime than you do stupid. your patrol police don't even carry guns you douchebag.
Saiga762x39mm 5 years ago
have you considered concentration camps as a solution to your overcrowding?
pavlik2012 5 years ago
When any Cop tells you what to do, you do EXACTLY as you are told. If you escalate the situation you can expect the cop to escalate in order to maintain control over your lousy ass!
If for some reason the cop is out of line, you question that later in the proper forum.
getacluedude 5 years ago
This is straight forward and to the point. No one else knows why this student acted the way he did. Was he totally innocent or was he possibly trying to incite the police. It looks like the latter to me.
ATTDarb 5 years ago
Yeah cops should be able to tazer everybody in handcuffs. I believe, as I'm sure you do, that when a man(maybe even a young man) has his hand tied behind his back an officer has every right to torture him with 120,000 volts of electricity no matter what. Good stuff.
ultragrl21 5 years ago
someone in handcuffs can still be a possible threat. they can still bite, headbutt, kick, etc. a decent martial artist can throw plenty of damaging kicks with his hands cuffed. getting tasered is much safer for him than getting his ass beat with a cop's Tongfa.
Saiga762x39mm 5 years ago
First of all, your figure is way off. The newest taser, the most powerful yet, is rated at 50000 volts. Second of all, voltage is not what hurts people, amperage is. Even with a voltage of 1,000,000v, as in a Van de Graaff generator, it is harmless to touch because of such a low current. The taser has an average current of 2.1mA. For comparison, a defibrillator puts out about 50 times that.
topdeputy07 5 years ago
Just touching a door knob shocks you with 25,000 volts. I have been tased, it sucks but it is safe.
topdeputy07 5 years ago
'When a policeman tells you what to do you should comply?'
What are you, a droid?
pavlik2012 5 years ago
hopefully it will be the last video he ever makes
700308 5 years ago
You're an idiot calum.
topdeputy07 5 years ago
i agree ur opinion rocks
fathermartin 5 years ago
And what the hell are you defending tasers for, I didn't say anything against them! Can you even read?
topdeputy07 5 years ago
Have you noticed the video clip that we are commenting on? If you take a look at my initial comments, they were in response to someone taking issue with how officers recponded and their use of tazers. It is my opinion that the Officers acted accordingly - and that a tazer was much better than getting shot or struck with a baton. So, to respond to your question, I can in fact read. As for the swearing in your comment - not necessary and terribly unprofessional.
calum97 5 years ago
How do you know they did not ask him first, they probably did. Then he would have refused and is then breaking the law and they may need to arrest him. I am not from USA so dont know laws there but if he then resisted arrest they had to move up the force scale. They cant just keep asking.
peterb1968 5 years ago
Yeah...that student didn't sound very calm about leaving the library quietly. And what makes a student less of a danger than anyone else? These days everyone is concerned with students walking into schools with guns and whatnot. I like how this moron assumes that what he knows from some candid shitty video sums up accurately the situation. If this was first video blog, it should be your last one too.
Bumfuzzled1987 5 years ago
You suck
topdeputy07 5 years ago
500fps - a bit of an exageration, but definitely drew some comments from the peanut gallery. If you are carrying a "duty weapon" then i suppose you are employed in a position that requires such a tool. If so, you are the type of person that preferes to hide behind rhetoric then to actually deal with a physical situation.
Keep up the good work, and enjoy the world as a Monday Morning Quarterback.
calum97 5 years ago
I'M hiding behind rhetoric??? You're the idiot who thinks a gun shoots at 5000 feet per second. That's an exaggeration, I'd say. The peanut gallery? I'm a cop, I actually can comment from an educated standpoint in this situation. Can you relate to it? Oh yeah, we get into a hell of a lot more physical struggles than shootings, idiot.
topdeputy07 5 years ago
And yes, I am concerned with accuracy in what I say or write, it's very important in my line of work.
topdeputy07 5 years ago
I guess you're one those police officers that avoids physical situations, and relies on others to deal with it - probably working behind the front desk. As a police officer you should be aware that using tazers has significantly reduced injuries to both police officers and civilians. Once again, I guess your perch from behind the front desk at the station is easy to lob comments at officers that are actually out in the streets dealing with violent people.
calum97 5 years ago
I just got done saying how many more physical struggles we get into than shootings, meaning we fight more than we use weapons. I'm a patrol deputy you asshole, I'm in it every day.
topdeputy07 5 years ago
Hey you are really nice. Actually, I think the campus orderlies were absolutely wrong. They had absolutely no justification in their conduct towards the student.
terrafirmaterrafirma 5 years ago
wah happin?
cd3drvr 5 years ago
left wing moron
gcrfirewolf 5 years ago
Stupid comments.
A student can still kill people.
As for policemen, they should use the same tools to every person.
mopton 5 years ago
You don't think it's right for a student to get tazered? Fair enough, but what about a guy who can't prove he's a student and is inciting a crowd? Of course it's easy to say that it was excessive, but let's be honest here and acknowledge that this video is lacking in it's representation of the entire incident.
gubon13 5 years ago
Getting tazered is better then getting punched, hit with a baton, peppersprayed or shot. Thats the reality. Less injury to the assailant. I have been tazered. It is incredible pain, for a matter of seconds - whereas other use of force options have the ability to leave long lasting injuries. As for racial issues - they are and will always be an opportunity for people to manipulate it for personal gain.
calum97 5 years ago
So do tasers. My friend was tasered by the cops for jaywalking(that was just stupid), and since then he's developed a twitch, and says that the taser that he felt was worse than when he broke his leg. This isn't the standard tazzer we are talking about that people get for self defense. This is a standard issue taser gun this one realeases 50,000 volts into someone,
Aids4life 5 years ago
Tazzered for Jaywalking...What city are you from? Over here, it's a $15 dollar ticket.
As for the tazors intencity - once again it's better than a bullet that travels at 5000 feet per second.
calum97 5 years ago
I agree that being tasered is better than being shot but, what the hell kind of handgun shoots a bullet at 5000 fps??? My duty weapon shoots at less than 1000.
topdeputy07 5 years ago
"Those cops are really fucking stupid for what they've done- we all know that..."
Excellent fucking arguement. I feel enlightened. Your opinion sucks, and I'm tired of liberals like yourself with the mindset that their opinion needs to be heard. Nevermind the fact that they know nothing about the subject at hand that they have the opinion about in the first place.
infiniteincongruence 5 years ago
And no my screen name has nothing to do with my intelligence level, and I bet you are probably a college student trying to look for justice. You probably one of those people who protests about someone getting tased.
Renta1Cop 5 years ago
The correct term is "tasered". The fact that you aren't intelligent enough to know this makes your comments null and void.
Malamockq 5 years ago
ah so all of a sudden you are trying to make fun of me again. Real mature. Up here we say both terms and it doesnt matter.
Renta1Cop 5 years ago
To add, Why would some one make a big deal out of having to show ID? If you get randomly stopped and they say let me see some ID becuase you are in an area that requires it, why not show it? If someone is going to be that stupid and state it was over being subject to racial profiling I would have made him leave,
Renta1Cop 5 years ago
Your screenname is a good indication of your intelligence. Go back to school boy.
Malamockq 5 years ago
Another BS profiling claim, Oh I was profiled because we are at war with the middle east, I can guarantee that if it was some white guy who got tased it would not be a racial issue but becuase of what I put above thats why. And guess what if that Officer had asked those "white guys" directly and they refused they would have been kicked out just like him. Go try to pull that race card BS some where else.
Renta1Cop 5 years ago
I won't repeat myself again. Re-read my other point about the race issue more carefully because you obviously aren't listening. In any case, they abused him. They could have just dragged him out from the start, he went limp. Instead they tasered him 5 times, then dragged him out anyway.
Malamockq 5 years ago
Like I said before if you would have read my comments, I am not saying the way the cops dealt with this situation perfectly, but it was by the book. And you are making this a race issue because the cops were not the same race. Get off your soap box.
Renta1Cop 5 years ago
It wasn't a matter of his ID card being forgotten at home. He HAD his ID. He didn't show it because he felt he was being subjected to racial profiling. He even asked them to card all the white guys at the table, so he wouldn't feel like he was being discriminated against. They refused.
Malamockq 5 years ago
Again we make this a discrimination issue, I feel race should have nothing to do with it. If you are on my "beat" and I ask you for ID you should not feel like I am asking you for it because of your race but because Usually its late at night in a non populated area.
Renta1Cop 5 years ago
Do not make me repeat myself. Now for the second time, he asked them to card all the white guys at the table so he didn't feel like he was being profiled, and they REFUSED, which proves he was being profiled.
Malamockq 5 years ago
What ever there is no hope for you people. I cant wait for the day you get your dumb ass tazerd 4 times while hand cuffed. Then don't try to see them because as you just said they did the right thing.
LogicalFilms 5 years ago
I still dont think you are a cop, If you can tell me what COP means, then maybe.
Renta1Cop 5 years ago
Constable On Patrol, I shouldnt even reply to your dumb ass.
LogicalFilms 5 years ago
He deserved it at least once. He was asked to leave several times and then he tried to incite a riot.
Why does he deserve special treatment? Because he has an obvious inferiority complex? I would like to see some more than half assed proof he was racially profiled. Even if he was, all he had to do was file a complaint later.
People cannot just conduct themselves in that manner everytime they feel profiled and/or harassed.
lucypunch 5 years ago
Show me in the force continuum were it says anything about people who are already hand cuffed. I know you can use level three force if the subject is not compliant but not when he is cuffed do some more studying if you want to be a cop.
LogicalFilms 5 years ago
Oh dont think my studying has suddenly stopped and I suddenly know it all however, Like I said I would have done the situation differently if I was the arresting officer. Clearly they didnt deal with it the best way. This is obvious because of the hate videos that spawned from it.
Renta1Cop 5 years ago
You should know better than to refer to a book when every situation is clearly diffrent.
LogicalFilms 5 years ago
well thanks for saying that I do know what I am talking about. :)
Renta1Cop 5 years ago
And yes you were right that in most situations you want to use the least force possible however if you go by the force continuum and your department policy it may allow more for situations.
Renta1Cop 5 years ago
Sure the cops could have done the situation differently, and You are most likely an IA detective if anything. Hell I would have done it differently, but I wasnt there, I cant speak for them, 1 video is crappy, 2 everyone has a different point of veiw on the situation whether they actually know what they are talking about or were there. And to add Not all the laws are the same for each state, but you would know that because you are a detective?
Renta1Cop 5 years ago
Dont even try to question me, WA state has recently lowered their age for their cadets. But you would know that because you live here. Also to clarify, I never said that what those cops did was perfect, however for the situation they did their job.
Renta1Cop 5 years ago
Yes im am sure they did, to bad you it is called State Police not State Patrol and you must be 21 to get into the State Police but you already knew that.
LogicalFilms 5 years ago
Anyways if you are really a cop I give you respect, but If you are just some lying person who likes to sway peoples opinion for your benifit I hope you get you ass kicked. And please stop trying to make fun of me or trying to say that I have no law enforcement experience, becuase its not true, you know nothing about me.
Renta1Cop 5 years ago
You are 19 how much law enforcement experiance can you possible have if you arnt even a cop. Come talk to me when you have made over 1200 arests and worked over 2000 cases.
LogicalFilms 5 years ago
I DONT EVEN KNOW YOU ARE A COP!, from your earlier statments its hard for me to say anything more than you are just an opinionated person. I find it difficult to prove, you say you are but talks cheap.
Renta1Cop 5 years ago
yes well think what you want your obviously good at that.
LogicalFilms 5 years ago
And personally most cops hate dirty cops, they will report their co workers because the last thing you want to do is be fired over it. Also Im not going to bother commenting on this subject because I have made my points on 4 different videos. Im done, I wish the best for those cops.
Renta1Cop 5 years ago
I am glad you dont want to talk to me because your illiterate. The first thing they teach you is to use the least amount of fource.
LogicalFilms 5 years ago
no i dont want to talk to you and no I think you are a lier
Renta1Cop 5 years ago
Who's illiterate. Check your context and spelling champ. Typos are the same as shit, they happen.
Froginabucket 4 years ago
Also to add I have many of storys of while Im on the job and if you want to say that How can I become part of State Patrol at the age of 19 and a half? Well my state lowered the age so people can become cadets.
Renta1Cop 5 years ago
I personally dont want to talk to anyone who wants to call me a lier, and obviously if you were a detective you would be able to explain many of the aspects of law enforcement, but you cant, because of that I dont wish to talk to you.
Renta1Cop 5 years ago
You are an idiot arnt you? I already explained the laws in reguard to this matter read my posts. You do know how to read dont you?
LogicalFilms 5 years ago
www dot dailybruin dot com slash news slash articles dot asp?id equal 38986
Sorry im kinda new i tried postinging addy to site but it doesnt work.
Xantheus07 5 years ago
My great grandfather founded the police here in my town. My father was in the Army and served 30 years on the same force. I started doing BEA work when I was 21, I am now a detective. I cant tell by your posts you are nothing but a lier so save yourself the embaressment.
LogicalFilms 5 years ago
I dont have to defend myself, I know my own past and also the storys that came with it. And if you were really a detective you are either a crappy one or a lier.
Renta1Cop 5 years ago
Also to add yes I do have alot of law enforcement experience, Im going to go work for State patrol next year and yes Im proud, maybe when you look out side your box you might learn something.
Renta1Cop 5 years ago
You keep saying look outside the box? What box is that the box outside of the law?
LogicalFilms 5 years ago
Go taze the first person you arrest after they are handcuffed see how long you last on the force.
LogicalFilms 5 years ago
Actually I had a really skinny guys whom I put cuffs on and he happened to be on PCP and well he got out of the cuffs by pulling them off, he caused bleeding to himself but he didnt care. I had to tase him just to get some form of bandage on him and get the cuffs back on. It took me and a couple of officers to do this.
Renta1Cop 5 years ago
So all you people who are posting in agreement with the police, you just look like a moron because this cop is going to loose his job and this is going to cost the school alot of money. The black cop is the one with the history of violence the one who kept saying "get up or im going to taze you". I guess you could call him NWA.
LogicalFilms 5 years ago
You have serious issues.
Renta1Cop 5 years ago
But after an independent administrative hearing, officials overturned the dismissal, suspending him for 90 days.
LogicalFilms 5 years ago
So in other word your law enforcement experiance is, you dont have any law enforcement experiance. In May 1990, he was accused of using his nightstick to choke someone who was hanging out on a Saturday in front of a UCLA fraternity. Kente S. Scott alleged that Duren confronted him while he was walking on the street outside the Theta Xi fraternity house.
Scott sued the university, and according to court records, UCLA officials moved to have Duren dismissed from the police force.
LogicalFilms 5 years ago
Oh yeah and If you were wondering what My law enforcement experience is Ill list it for you logical films, I have been through law enforcement classes for the past 2 years, this includes law and enforcement. I have done community service as an explorer for the police department, I also have worked school security as an internship,
Renta1Cop 5 years ago
and Worked in the evidence and logistical side of the Sheriffs department. Also to add, I have worked uniformed security for the past year, which means yes I handcuff and yes I tase people. which also means I have been tased. I also deal with theft and mostly domestic violence. I can hardly say you are more than a simple minded person who thinks all cops are corrupt. forgot to put the rest because i was tired and went to bed ass.
Renta1Cop 5 years ago
This is only the tip of the iceberg wake up people.
BOOT CAMP FOR KIDS: Torturing Teens for Fun and Profit
Cruelty, sadism, injury & death in locked residential facilities for troubled youth
"If I can't make a kid puke or piss in his pants on his first day, I'm not doing my job." A youth trainer at a juvenile facility
RODNEY HULIN, JR.
17-year-old dies by suicide following repeated rapes and beatings while in custody, June 1996.
LogicalFilms 5 years ago
uh huh a bad incident right, but basing that on everything, thats where you are wrong, please step off your soap box and think outside of it. Boot Camp for kids, is actually a great way to build team work and companionship, I know I went through it wasnt that bad.
Renta1Cop 5 years ago
Let me inform you a little.
visit www+nospank+boot.html There are over 200 cases of abuse on record.
LogicalFilms 5 years ago
Even if the first taser was arguably justified, there is no reason to "taser" a handcuffed suspect, especially some little college-kid. You can't just taser someone for being a jerk. That just excalated the situation.
bruin03 5 years ago
This is a lesson to all: Bring your ID with you at ALL TIMEs else you shall face the WRATH! STFU. I lose my ID all the time.
craneology 5 years ago
They try to ask him to leave he refused several times and they he resisted when they arrested him. The people there were starting to interfere with the arrest
scoobydoo94133 5 years ago
Good commentary but you sound so idealistic and out of touch w/ reality. I guess that's typical for college students. I watched the video and I heard a very belligerent kid who refused to cooperate w/ those officers after being requested to do so umpteen times. What are they to do? Throw flowers at him and say "pretty please get you dumb ass off the floor?" The student was acting like a foul-mouthed, punk and got what he deserved.
tornasu 5 years ago
Its good you agree, the funny thing is with this video is that people didnt see what happened before the kid got tasered, if people read the news story they would understand.
Renta1Cop 5 years ago
You a fuckin reta cop what do you know? Nothing you fuckin cop wana be.
LogicalFilms 5 years ago
and you just lost all respect from people when you attack them personally, just becuase you had a bad run in with the police because you are ignorant doesnt mean you should start a lets hate cops campaign. Assuming that you think that I obviously dont know what or how to do my job or a cops. you are sad really
Renta1Cop 5 years ago
Too many people watching our nightly news; fighting in Iraq. We have forgotten our rights.It's UCLA cops, NOT LAPolice. The UCLA Police act in a manner that UC establishment condones. There has been no leaders from the Universities to lead us forward. My challenge: For the next 365 dayslet us all work at posting everwhere the 1-4th ammendent to the USConstitution!copies, copies copies
rockygreenmountains 5 years ago
I would like to see you apply this to something against your civil rights becuase I dont see a violation
Renta1Cop 5 years ago
I've worked as an electrician's helper, and i've been shocked working with wires, so i can somewhat understand... first of yeah 50,000 volts would sting but a tazer running at 500,000 volts would feel more like a fucking hammer to the stomach... so yeah I can see why he would make a big deal over it, and why the cops should be prosicuted for what they have done
pouchirory 5 years ago
Let me clear this up, A Taser lets out 50,000 volts, a Stungun can range from 50,000 to 500,000 volts, these two devices are two different things that affect you two different wasys.
Renta1Cop 5 years ago
I have been tased for training and i have to add that pain compliance is well within the legal limits.
deadlymerc1 5 years ago
one of the best common I've ever heard, good work!
ebonyroundass 5 years ago
I'm glad that arab got tasered. He acts like a martyr, trying to incite the students around him to "fight back". Why doesn't that arab go back to his ancestor's country and try that shit there!
lucypunch 5 years ago
You're not too bright are you? First of all, Persians are not Arabs. Why don't you go get an education or at least watch the movie, "Crash," that was released last year. Maybe you will get a clue, you stupid f#@%ing American, and I can say that because I'm an American (in fact, a decendent of our first U.S. president). Why don't you go get an education and learn something about other cultures around the globe instead of thinking that you are so superior.
jafargholikhan 5 years ago
You have a good point, anyone who acts like lucypunch deserves a peice of your mind.
Renta1Cop 5 years ago
The cops seem to eb missing the point. They may be authorized to use the tazer in that circumstance... but that's EXACTLY the problem. Tazers are in the wrong spot on the use of force scale used by police. Cops don't exist to enforce compliance, they exist to solve certain problems and they need to keep their eye on those and not overreact to noncompliance in non-violent situations.
wileydavis 5 years ago
But also on that same rung of the force continuum was OC spray, which means oleoresin capsicum, Pepperspray, the police could have used that and I could bet every single person in that crowd would feel the effects, a Taser is clean and is a less lethal device on the same rung.
Renta1Cop 5 years ago
True, but I don't think the tazer was the correct choice (even though it was legally authorized.) In cases like that where there is no certain threat I think the best approach is to reason with the guy. I know officers are trained to repeat the same command over and over until they gain compliance, but i think that is a counterproductive tactic in non-violent situations. Police should only use tazers or spray as almost last resorts...
wileydavis 5 years ago
Rather than repeat the same command they should have said, "yes, we realize you're a student, but this is the policy. Is there another student that can verify that you're a student?" etc. I know this goes against training, but different tactics for different situations. Police are professionals and we have a right to expect that they be good at their jobs and that the job consists of doing everything possible to avoid use of force.
wileydavis 5 years ago
Im not saying they did everything perfect, however what they did was legal and by the legal code. I would have done it differently, but most people who comment here havent read the news pile, they have just seen the video and decided that they know everything.
Renta1Cop 5 years ago
this video pisses me off. and renta1cop you obviously dont know anything because if you get tased for 3-5 seconds you cant move for atleast 5 minutes so shows how much you know. the point of being tased is to immobilize you so what would the point be if you would feel fine afterwards? you idiot
xxmoorahay 5 years ago
You fail to realise that in almost all my comments I state I have been tased as part of training, I know the effects so dont call me an idiot. And No its real easy to get up its called standing up
Renta1Cop 5 years ago
You dont know what you are talking about. You need to go research on the ways we do our job and then I would be more than happy to read your comment. This obviously wasnt a quiet situation, if it was there wouldnt had been a crowd. He didnt want to leave and made a scene I dont see how you can make that quiet. People got scared because of his behavior, they didnt like the cops because they needed to remove him and it got worse
Renta1Cop 5 years ago
Instead of tazering the kid, the UCPD should have focused ONLY on quietly and calmly getting him out without scaring people, even if it had taken a couple hours. That would have been more effective and I bet you they would have successfully got him out! :)
shizermcdougal 5 years ago
Tazer wasn't needed in this situation and the police did NOT handle this matter well. Cops shouldn't use weapons against someone unless the other has a weapon too or has an *obvious* means to hurt people. The police had no evidence that the kid had a weapon or had the motivation to hurt them.
shizermcdougal 5 years ago
When you go learn the force continuum and then you can come talk to me on what was necessary in this situation. It had nothing to do with any weapons involved. Go learn and then comment until then you dont know what the hell you are talking about
Renta1Cop 5 years ago
The taser is a wonderful law enforcement tool used to modify someones behavior, he could have been sprayed with OC but that might get on the people standing around this violent subject. This kid has issues and if he thinks he will get a dime from those police he has another thing coming.
Renta1Cop 5 years ago